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Last time on the "Waaah, cancel culture" Edition…
>Jared pondered aloud why his Instagram explore tab is always full of hot girls, unaware that Explore picks out recommendation based on your own browsing/follows/likes. He's still horny on main.>Jared also gave more attention to a streamer who looks suspiciously like Heidi on her birthday than he did for Holly's birthday… or any other happening of hers.>And then he shared posts about abusers to try and throw shade at Heidi, but it just as easily applies to him.>Meanwhile, Holly posted about asexual people sometimes agreeing to be sexual even though they want to because they're people-pleasers. Hmmmmmmmmmmmm.>Holly also claims she was just "caught in the crossfire" of the drama as if she didn't actively push for Jared to leave Heidi, excused his nudes blogs and spent his entire self-imposed exile digging her own grave defending him.>Holly also whined about her bird hoard getting sick and how the drama ruined her, as if she's not still a homeowner in Seattle who can afford enough real estate for a bird hoard in her backyard. She also tried to suggest that it was haters who poisoned the birds.>SadOldMagician kept sidestepping his "Heidi and Ross deserve each other" comment.>Ross hit like on some comments pointing out "cancel" is sometimes just people not able to deal with accountability.>Despite complaining about her dire financial situation, mere days later Holly was adding an injured pigeon to her hoard.>Jared e-begged for Gamecube games because all he had was shitty shovelware.>After starting his own Tumblr specifically to cash in on drama attention, SadOldMagician whined about drama talk.>And despite Holly and Jared's careers being so hurt by the mean old dwama, they still managed to afford/get donated a PS5 on launch.>Jared whined about missing cons, as if any reputable con will risk having his sex pest on the guest list from now on. Made even funnier, he accompanied this post with a pic of himself from a con it's known he slept with a fan at.>Holly posted a horribly jaundiced selfie, then quickly deleted it.>Jared continues to think he's some sort of supermodel and not some gangly weirdo slowly turning into a fishman. Including showing off a shitty women's bracelet off of Wish and claiming it's men's jewelry.>Holly whined again about lost followers, as if it's still the drama's fault and not that she fails to post anything of value.>Holly then posted more woe-is-me about cancel culture and how it's "traumatizing".>Jared alluded that Heidi once posted a selfie of them together then got angry everyone just talked about him (r/theneveryoneclapped)>Holly went back on long pityposts about cancel culture, her loss of followers, the loss of DCA (which she called her JOB)>CallMeCarson got outed as a pedo. Jared had ONE thing to do right in this case: keep his mouth shut and keep his presence away from the drama. He still went and drew attention to himself.>Holly kicked off 2021 by bringing new merch with Boundaries branding, because of course.>Way too much focus on Hored simps in the thread. Dial that stuff back.
Quick Synopsis of PigeonGate:
>Jared "the Wormdick" Knabenbauer was a semi prominent personality on the gaming side of youtube. He was involved in many communities such as NormalBoots, Game Grumps and Dice Camera Action as a member of the D&D campaign "Waffle Crew". >In May 2019 he released a tweet saying he and his wife were separating and to give them space…except he hadn't told his wife and had her blocked the entire time.>His then wife Heidi O'Ferrall proceeded to reveal to the public he had been gaslighting and abusing her for years, and in the twist no one saw coming, was cheating on her with his DCA co-star, previous cosplay juggernaut Holly Conrad.>It was revealed through internet sleuthing she had also been cheating on her husband Ross O'Donovan of Game Grumps fame before their divorce. Although it was at first amicable, the joint tweet discussing their separation has since been deleted and Ross refuses to hardly utter her name. >Holly checked herself into a mental hospital from being cancelled too hard>Fans came out of the woodwork revealing Jared to be a sexpest who had been soliciting nudes for years, some of which were underage.>Holly came back to throw herself to the wolves by trying to equate her suffering at being cancelled as to Etikas suicide (didn't work, she got dragged harder). Jared went into hiding to try to salvage his image. >Jared released a video, "You've Been Lied To", to youtube detailing the "true events" and successfully manipulated his way back into his fans good graces. >Heidi spoke her truth on a regular basis and stuck to her guns, and Holly tried to mental gymnastics her way into everyone loving her again.>Jared and Holly moved in together and continue to this day to baww about Heidi being an evil witch and being cancelled including releasing a shirt saying ~CANCELLED~
For More On Holly Conrad's Dubious Past:>A History of Holly: >>838840 (Source: PULL)
Links to the Clowns Involved in this Circus:
>Holly Conrad/Commander Holly:https://www.instagram.com/commanderholly/https://twitter.com/HollyConradhttps://www.youtube.com/user/CommanderHolly
Do Not Bother Ross O’Donovan>Game Grump and animator
You May Support and Subscribe at: >Ross O'Donovan/RubberNinja:https://twitter.com/RubberNinjahttps://www.youtube.com/user/RubberNinjahttps://www.instagram.com/rubberninja/
Image Credit: >>1038655
Previous Threads (The ProJared Saga Begins):
Reminder from Mods:>Subjects have to be 16+ to be discussed on lolcow. Do not include Holly's 15 year old friend’s face or social media posts here. >This is also a reminder that cowtipping is also against the rules, do not contact the girl or her parents because of her relation to Holly.>Keep whiteknight posting to when they actually spill milk.
Munchausen syndrome by proxy is a mental disorder where a caregiver makes up medical problems with the person under their care. It's a way to get attention (look at my poor child/grandparent doctor! oh community please donate money for these expensive medical bills!) and afaik always abusive
to the dependent individual. Look up the case of Gypsy Rose.
So if it's still ambiguous, the joke is that Holly uses the condition of her birds to get money and attention
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The pigeon is wearing a 'bird diaper' in this pic. It's basically what people put on pet birds when traveling so they don't shit everywhere.
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blaming internet boolies again for why she can't get off her privileged ass and make content
Ah, I see, thank you.
I was familiar with Munchausen Syndrome but not by proxy, now it makes sense.>>1126174
Jeez, she wasted no time giving this thread some milk.
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Hey Holly, why don't you Quote Tweet this person & give them a piece of your mind about "Cancel Culture", go ahead!
What is creative streaming?
Is it crafting? I know a lot of craft streams will just have the camera set up so their hands and worstation are the focus. No facecam to worry about.
Or is "creative streaming" like "mental health monday" and it's just her playing video games and complaining about how her neighbors have anti-cock bias?
Swear to god, she both really wants the spotlight but can't handle anything that comes with it except the praise.
You mean the threads that she wouldn't have seen if she didn't regularly peruse them LOOKING for negatiave shit being said about herself?
Let's also not act like half of the posts going after her appearance were people poking at her, KNOWING she comes here and not because they actually think she's unbearably hideous or something.
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Flashbacks to the reaction to his tweets about Spoony
All the super antiSJW anticancelculture folks that have been drooling over Jared for the past 2 years have finally realised that -gasp- he is super liberal, a fact he never kept concealed
I'll admit, this is kinda hilarious. I knew
this would happen eventually.
This is what happens when you stan someone for just one reason.
Let the in-fighting begin!
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tbh, it's on his right-wing followers for not looking into his views before
deciding to support him & put him up on a pedestal.
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Isn't "Targeted Harassment" against Twitter's TOS?
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I know right?
God, look at her! She just will not
shut-up about it!!!!
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>when ProDick finally bails on Hoelly…
Oh no! That would break their lil' heart! They cry every tiem they think about these star-crossed lovers & how they've been so wronged
Hahaha, oh this is just rich. I remember when some crazed right wing nutbag was standing up for Hoelly too, and she was just letting him even though both her and ProDick are liberals. After the Leafy thing, is anyone surprised? They shouldn’t be. >>1126862
It is, and it should be reported.>>1126870
It’s amazing that this person thinks that Hoelly and ProDick have lost followers just because of the cheating/divorce thing. It must be nice to be that blissfully ignorant to not realize that he’s also a sexual predator.
Ah shit I meant leafy, my bad>>1126862
A) Heidi barely ever tweets at all and very rarely does about the drama. Maybe he has her confused with Holly
B) there are people on twitter who genuinely believe the earth is flat, there is no convincing everyone on that platform of anything- especially something that's objectively wrong like Jared being 1000% innocent
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>"…just like, oh yeah! AMBER HEARD."
When all else fails, just keep bringing up a current abusive
celebrity to hammer your point in, still ain't gonna do shit though. >>1126876
They're probably one of those people that think that Heidi was behind everything
, including the pedophilia accusations.
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This person is so goddamn late to the scene, they don't realize that Hored's stans have already changed the narrative in their favor more than a year ago.
They are actually hurting Jared & Holly with their efforts. Hell, if they keep going down this road, they might end up getting into legal trouble. I'm sure their mom will regret giving them her account when she receives a cease and desist in the mail.
The judge ruled in Amber Heard's favor because Depp was an abusive
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I think I remember this person vehemently defending Holly before
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Holly is trying to be civil with them.
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>"It is REALLY DANGEROUS to allow anyone to be become the arbiter or what is "misinformation"."
Looks like they REALLY want Holly to completely agree with them on this despite "Agreeing to disagree"
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…And this is why you don't get on your soap-box to preach about 'Cancel Culture'…
>>1126934>"He was…shaming others, being a bully"
Trump likes you and is your best friend…until you no longer serve a purpose and then he'll slander you to anyone who will listen.
Sound familiar, Hoelly?
One tweet:>"Slandering and shaming him is not ok"
The following tweet:>"He was…shaming others, being a bully"
Make it make sense!
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Imagine existing solely for the purpose of trying to convince people of something they're never going to believe anyway…
Good god, their bio alone is beyond pathetic.
Oh yeah, that was the MAGA who was defending Hoelly when everything went down. Guess they’re back!! >>1126996
Ingram Idiot is just an embarrassment. That account he’s trying to convince always calls out Pedodick, nothing he says is going to change his mind.
I will never get over how Holly routinely calls Trump a bully
. He's the fucking president of the USA, he's not some jock who's mean to you but doesn't ultimately have much power other than being a bit higher on the social ladder of your school. He's so many things that are 100 times worse than being a bully. Calling him one is so juvenile and shows how stuck she is in her schoolyard drama mindset.
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This guy must load up that "truth blog" every day and jack off to it, it's his only response to anything saying mean things about hored.
I think hored stans prefer linking the truth blog because at least HOF had the decency to say the nudes exchange was wrong for Jared to do. But that doesn't fit in with Ingram/fruityass/SOM insisting Jared did nothing wrong, so they link the truth blog instead. The truth blog twisted facts and jumped through hoops to either hide what Jared did wrong, excuse his actions as something okay for him to do, or find some other way to make Jared look like such an innocent victim
of evil Heidi's lies.
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Ingram and his 30 alt accounts will post that truth blog like it's such a great gotcha, but he doesn't realize the only people paying attention to what it says is him and fruityass. That blog was set up by a hored stan to make hored look innocent, but they're the only ones stupid enough to fall for it.
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Holly says most of the DnD community has blocked her
I mean they all saw and listened to her slander someone for months and months behind the scenes for daring to be married to who she wanted and they saw how she took that slander public and tried to smear Heidi's mental health- I don't blame them for not wanting to be her next target
Not to mention all the pity me bullshit like when Etika killed himself, god forbid that out of the hundreds and hundreds of DnD content creators they want to associate the ones who arent proven to be shitty people
Even then, let's say they all believe her and think that Heidi is an evil slut and that her and Jared are innocent smol beans: even then, what she did was unprofessional. She was actively sleeping with her cowoker/cohost during their show and using the plot of the show to further her romance with the man behind the scenes. They were using cons and events to meet up and fuck (not to mention Jared using these events to fuck fans but this is about holly) that is SO UNPROFESSIONAL. Why would these companies want to employ someone who did all that and got busted for it publicly? Why employ someone who took advantage of their last gig to sleep with a married man and turn the plot of the show to be about her affair?
There are so many people deserving of a role like DCA. Holly had her fucking chance, she had a show for 130ish episodes and a huge fandom and years in the spotlight. Then her actions took it away. Why should she be immediately rewarded with more opportunities when there are smaller, more deserving content creators desperate for a break out role(roll lol)?
DCA is gone directly because of her and Jared's actions. They can blame Heidi all they want, but that's like blaming a victim
of assault for the assailant having to spend the rest of their life in jail. You cant blame the whistleblower for someone else's mistakes, even if she is an evil elf whore who dared to marry someone you love uwu
Does she think if she whines about it publicly, the community will be shamed into letting her back in? The way she constantly mentions her drama is why professional contacts cut ties with her. If she hadn't overshared about the drama and her feelings, she probably would be working by now. She's the one who always reminds people that she's unstable and dramatic.
I don't think she understands that in business you get one shot. If you screw up, there's a line of younger and more talented people who will eagerly fill your position. She expects the community to just take her back and give her back her old job. It doesn't work that way in real life.
I think that's exactly what she's counting on - If she guilts them, she'll eventually find someone dumb enough to feel bad for her that gives her a chance (that she immediately jeopardizes like that YT thing she lasted all of….idk, 1 episode of before spazzing out about being on her phone).
She could absolutely still make a comeback if she'd just shut the fuck up with the "woe-is-me, my career is over because I'm an adulturous whore who is defending a sex pest!" bullshit.
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This is her saying WOTC has ghosted her when a fan asked if she would be making a new show DnD show.
"Emails" plural, how many times has she emailed WOTC?? She makes it sound like wayyyy too many times. I would fucking LOVE to read those emails. They must be insane.
Even if it was just a couple of emails, she CANNOT possibly be surprised that they want fuck all to do with her when (A) she used the show they hired her for to fuck her coworker behind both of their spouses back, (B) she spergs on a regular basis, and (C) didn't Jared burn the bridge with WOTC like six months ago with a freakout of his own?
When is it finally going to sink in that her continuous twitter meltdowns are doing more harm than good?
Also love the "just trying to survive" bit. Bitch, you live in the expensive ass PNW with your horde of animals and have worked just sporadicly for about a year and are still getting by. Spare me the bitching until you're standing in a line at the food bank like half of your fanbase probably is at this point.
Not a humiliating fetish as such, but she def post dumb shit both hoping her stans pat her ass and that people criticize her so she can keep playing victim
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Maybe the company didn't email you because not only did you lose them time and money, but you embarrassed them? Just a thought?
Shane Dawson and his :,) vibes
She is still stuck in 2016 with her uwu pastel witchy internet lingo
>>1127702> "It was because of the drama"
And who exactly caused the drama, Holly? Who was the source of that drama? Who, while married, slept with another married person? Who used WoTC's official D&D livestream to flaunt their cheating and exploit artists into drawing them together? Who constantly brings it up, going so far as to attempt to make a profit off it with merchandise?
Who was that again?
(D) TTRPGs are booming in popularity and any company like WotC has their pick of funny, charismatic, and much less predatory players/hosts. People are clamoring to become RPG influencers.
Especially for a company that is trying to shake it's former problematic
image. Why would they keep giving opportunities to the same two shitty white people over and over again? Make room for some new voices that don't abuse their power.>>1127707
She's clearly well off, she's just too fucking spoiled to admit that.
Never mind that companies are probably looking to diversify their base. Holly may say she’s pansexual ace or whatever color queer she wants to be for the day, but she’s still just some basic white woman with a witch aesthetic who’s a former trustfund kid.
Holly is nothing special besides the connections she had and only got lucky with her fanbase the same way Jared did: right place and the right time. Holly could have easily played smart and stayed off Twitter and not respond to Heidi calling her out as the other woman, but she didn’t, doubled down, and is now paying the price for making a PR nightmare for herself.
Her failing career as an Internet personality is all on her and she’ll never own up and take responsibility for anything other than her birds.
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Lucas from Canada must not be very smart to send so many games for free to a sex predator. I do love how ProDick says “games that were taken from me.” They weren’t his to begin with.
"Games that I lost or were taken from me crying emoji
How dare Heidi take her own possessions with her in a messy divorce when poor Jared wanted to use them as props :((((
Is it necessary for iNfLuEnCeRs to show part of their face in EVERY photo they take? Call me nitpicky if it is, but when I take photos of additions to my retro game collection, I only show the games. Because that's the subject matter. I would never pose like that.
Also, I can't get over how creepy his forehead and nose wrinkles look. Why? Why was that necessary?>>1127951
He was whining on twitter a few days ago about how working at gamestop suckered him into trading in his gamecube, ps2, I don't remember what else, collections. And iirc Heidi has been selling her collection and it's been mostly sega console games, ps1 games, and handheld console games (gamegear, gb, gbc, gba). So maybe he just means gamestop? I dunno. Credit where it's due?
Then he's a fucking idiot. Anyone with any experience in 'gaming' knows that gamestop blatantly rips people off and gives them a fraction of what their stuff is worth; Mr. ProPedo should have known better.
If he DOES mean Heidi, that just means that he's back to milking the drama for sympathy and for more free shit from suckers like Lucas who paid at least $30 in shipping alone.
Nah, if he meant that he wouldn't say taken, he would say games that he sold. "Heidi stole my property" has been part of Holly and his defences from the start ("she stole the dolls I made him!" - Holly)
If anything him saying this taken thing is just sympathy bait to encourage more people to send in games, aka "I had so many games taken from me in my divorce, please send me more"
But the gamestop selling point you brought up makes me wonder if he is angry about Heidi selling all of her property she got back from him, because we know if not him then that Holly stalks Heidi's socials like crazy and would know she is selling it all
He sees you when you in your cosplay, He made Sailor Moon obscene - He'll ask you if you are 18 so he has deniability
Just like overused Christmas carols, ProPedo will never fully go away, will he?>>1128051
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>>1127615> I'm not welcome, and blocked by a huge part of the community
Aww, is widdle Holly Conrad upset that the community set some BOUNDARIES and decided not to let abusers and enablers exploit their power anymore?
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And here she was, so damned proud of being CANCELLED…Yet now it's problematic
when it actually has real world ramifications.
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It brings me great joy to see Ingram called out for what he does. Dude made a bunch of alts to attack "the haters" but didn't think anyone would ever call him out on it.
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She is really on a roll lately
Because responding to trolls by specifically telling them how much they bother you is the best way to make them go away!
It's almost as if people are forgetting about her…and she's begging for negative attention and uwu pity me points because (to her) it's better than no attention. That never goes wrong!
Reminder: Holly is almost 35 and is completely fine working a career as a professional victim
on the internet.
This post reads to me more like her trying to hype herself up and scare off her internet bullies. She is trying to throw it back and say that the trolls are the true pathetic ones and that she knows they are losers etc. She just is really bad at sounding tough and scaring trolls off lmao>>1128844
I think one of the main reasons she isn't growing and is doing so bad is that the fans that weren't scared off by the drama were by her new content. She completely has stopped with gaming and DnD stuff (except the very rare stream, and not everyone prefers their content live on twitch) and has been pretty focused on Spooky Saturday and posting nature hike/videos. She can post whatever the hell she wants, but she can't be suprised when people who subscribed to her for one type of content arent into the other.
Self replying because rereading her post I see her talking about "toxic
-shame" which sounds EXACTLY like what she was doing to Heidi the minute she said no and revoked consent. All she did was shit talk a woman to her husband and start a whole abuse narrative because she was insecure and upset that she couldn't have what she wanted
It also reads as her trying to convince HERSELF that she's blameless. An innocent person doesn't spend years writing tweet after tweet about how "the bullies have toxic
shame, not me!"
Not to mention the second to last tweet implying that her trolls have an unhealthy parasocial connection with Heidi and are defending her without all the correct information.
She has been on the "you dont know her! You know me, guys" train literally from the start: we get it, Holly, you have more clout than your boyfriends ex-wife. We should believe you because we KNoW YoU and she is a STRANGER, unlike you uwu
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She gets that she can remove all of the comments she wants, but that she'll never truly be free of that "scarlet letter" as long as she keeps bringing it up, right? Even if she DID manage to pull in new viewers, she's continuously alienating them every time she brings up the drama all over again.
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When you're so bad at youtube that the Rewired Soul is giving you advice, it's time to find a new job
Loving that nice big “you deserve worse but this will do” as if to suggest that the person didn’t mean the worst she deserves is being deplatformed.
Also that parasocial comment, heidis following is nothing in comparison. Not to mention her and Jared leveraged their parasocial connections to harass Heidi (sadold?). And Jared literally used he’s parasocial relationships to get nudes and fuck fans but yep, you’re the victim
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Possible new Ingram account? You decide!
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…My money's on 'Yes'!
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…Because he kept stringing her along & continued leading her to believe that they could still work things out.
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>Source - "Bro trust me, ignore the evidence that proves the exact opposite, she said this so it MUST be true"
Yeah, it's not like you say anything like that- OH WAIT:>>1121847
That new Ingram account is projecting hardcore. This is like what, the sixth account that popped out of nowhere to name search Jared and harass random people for the crime of not liking him. That over the anger limit person seems to be the most sane of the bunch, they don't tweet at Hored they just say the truth about Jared and the white knights come running to them after they show up in a name search.
Good on them to try to mitigate their harassment to others, my only criticism is that they hyper focus on Heidi too much which takes away from the real fucked shit Jared is unapologetic about.
Literally just stream without facecam? People do it all the time? It's pretty obvious she's just looking for an excuse to pity party and try to jump on the vtuber bandwagon all in one go.
Also, I'm sorry, but isn't she in her 30s? Some strangers on the internet think you are ugly. Who cares?>>1126845>>1126853>>1126928>>1126952
Can't wait for them both to bleed more followers. They could only court the incel/far-right crowd for so long.>>1127615
Imagine throwing it all away for some mediocre wormdick that hardly acknowledges you publicly. It's no wonder she constantly laments about it and is so desperate to hold onto him. Literally a consolation "prize". kek
Idc about jared but heidi is fucking annoying. You can either be a pure, innocent victim
or you can be mean, petty bitch: pick one. I don't feel bad for her.
You make it sound like victims
of abuse need to be completely free of guilt to be valid
? Not a good look.
Who would have thought that Heidi fucking up with the relationship but then learning to move on and leave the drama behind instead of constantly victimizing herself and just blocking trolls instead of encouraging them would result in less direct hate comments?
But yeah she still gets shit on from time to time. There is definitely a constant stream of people shitting on her that don't at her (and I know the Holly stan's latest cry now is that "if they don't at her it doesn't count" but it's still bullying in Holly's book since she was so bent out of shape over lolcow when it was all on a separate site and not even on the same platform as her).
>>1128813> complains about parasocial relationships> "you guys know me"
holly really knows how to keep the milk coming>>1128883
kinda grinds my gears that Anna got so much sympathy when her ex passed considering she cheated on him after she rode his coat tails into ttrpg content.
The stans vehemently defending this shit is NOT a good look for them.
Tbh, I have a feeling that if it weren't for the pandemic, lockdowns, etc, there would be a LOT less white-knighting from either side, but oh well…
It seems like no one really understood exactly
how damaging these kinds of parasocial relationships could be until this year, when there was a metric ton
of cases being brought to light.
I can understand Jared & Holly's fans not really understanding it because they've now conflated this subject with 'cancel-culture', unfortunately…
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Tinfoil: Jared told Holly he was far too traumatized from his last marriage to ever marry her and he needs to be his true polyamorous self, and this is pure cope. I believe she would marry him in a heartbeat.
except holly WAS married??? she got married just fine to Ross, and was always open about not wanting kids, that never changed
like let's not pretend holly is a paragon of unorthodox procedures unless you count getting your new boy from fucking your friend's husband and ditching your own, kek
Don't forget that Holly is so self centered that she only talks about things that link back to her in some way. It always comes back to how she feels or how she's affected by it.
She's been with Jared for a few years now, which is the typical timeline where people start to expect adults will get married. She doesn't have the type of parents or extended family that would push for it like you described. Her mom's dead and her dad is a distant alcoholic – it's not them pressuring her lol.
It's not uncommon for stans to overstep boundaries by asking "when are you getting married" or "when are you having babies". She has a rabid fanbase that ships her and Jared, who were both conspicuously married to other people. So it's not unlikely that some of them are expecting their faves to make their relationship more "real" or official than the previous ones.
Or maybe she's just projecting her insecurities, as usual. After all, she's usually trying to convince herself
when she preaches. >[sob] it's okay that he won't marry me! Others don't understand us!
As far as I can tell other anons empathize more with Heidi but have no actual attachment to her, if there was milk she would be absolutely torn to shreds in a moment on here.
There’s a bias but it’s something that can be shattered like it was with Holly who was generally well-liked before.
There’s no rule about posting or criticizing Heidi and since everyone’s anonymous what does it matter. Anons who want to post about Heidi should be less emotional when anons react to it negatively or say they don’t care.
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>if there was milk she would be absolutely torn to shreds in a moment on here.
For example, if she kept making sassy 'clap-backs' to anything Jared or Holly posted or grandstanding by now, I probably would have lost all sympathy for her. The last time she brought it up was late summer I think…
I might be biased, but she seems a lot more direct & down-to-earth compared to the other two. No bullshit.
You'll be hard pressed to find anyone here who won't admit that Heidi has also fucked up during this whole shitshow, but the thing here is that she admits it and has apologized - no "I'm sorry you took it that way", just "I'm sorry". Hoelly and Jared are stuck in this perpetual cycle of "I'm a victim
PSYCH I beat cancel culture" and it's just exhausting.
>The last time she brought it up was late summer I think…
Last time she brought it up was literally last month when she complained that the games she's selling reminded her of her marriage. Y'all just excused it and every other time she brought it up because she's the victim
so she can bring it up wherever and however she wants.
Let's face it, Heidi could tweet about Hored all day every day and this board will lap it up. Just because she brings it up leagues less frequently than Holly doesn't mean that (A) It doesn't count when she does because "Holly talks about it more" (B) It's okay for her to bring it up but not Holly or (C) Heidi will never bring it up again.
I can guarantee Heidi's gonna bring it up in some variety in the future but you'll excuse it because she's "not as bad as Hored". Y'all give Heidi a free pass for whatever she does while throwing Hored into a fire for doing similar because "Hored is bad so everything Hored does is bad". So Heidi isn't milky like Hored but as much as y'all claim she's not perfect y'all gonna keep ignoring and making excuses for her and excuse yourselves for doing it with bitching about Hored being worse so it's okay. Go ahead and ban me I'm fucking done with the Heidi whiteknighting.
>>1130125>"So she can bring it up wherever and however she wants"
I mean, her husband did carry on a very public affair under her nose while his mistress spent many months screaming that she was an abusive
psychopath to anyone who would listen. I would think that, if anyone gets to bring up the scandal, it would be the one most directly affected.
>"It's okay for her to bring it up but not Holly"
Holly caused 75% of this (the other 25% was PedoDick's inability to keep said PedoDick in his pants and away from his fans). She doesn't get to make herself into a victim
when she's literally the one who caused most of it and then actively seeks it out when she wants to self-harm.
>"Y'all give Heidi a free pass for whatever she does while throwing Hored into a fire"
First of all, no the fuck we do not. She fucks up, she rightfully gets called out. Her posting about selling her own video games isn't milky. Also chill with the fucking melodramatics, Holly. Noone is throwing them into a fire, unless it's Hot Bench the next time they do something legally iffy.
Ntayrt but if you’re that bothered by a thread that has literally nothing to do with you maybe it’s time to take a step back, I don’t even mean that in a catty way. It shouldn’t elicit a response like this that people have a negative response to Heidi posts. I get it, the commitment some anons have had to Holly’s ex has been abrasive at times but it shouldn’t…genuinely bother you.
Anons are telling you, myself included, that we don’t really care if there’s Heidi milk. 1-3 people might reply to WK Heidi, but the rest are lurking or have nothing worthwhile to add on to what has been posted. Even when anything Hored is posted.
>First of all, no the fuck we do not. She fucks up, she rightfully gets called out.
Point out one time these threads have "rightfully" called out Heidi that didn't immediately deflect to "but Hored".
>Her posting about selling her own video games isn't milky.
The post I was responding to talked about the last time Heidi brought up the divorce. I didn't say it was milk I was saying she brought it up more recently than what >>1130077
said. But back when Heidi brought up the divorce/drama several times a week for almost a year after Jared came back out of hiding, y'all were eating that shit up. And don't act like y'all won't praise her for being "down-to-earth" next time she does bring it up.
Last year was the aftermath, so of course the wounds were still fresh.
I personally don't give a shit how much any of them brings it up, since it affected all three
of them the most.
Also, this is an anonymous imageboard. Some of us have been here the whole time. Some have left. Some are new here.
>>1130154>"It affected all three of them the most"
Again, Jared and Holly brought this on themselves - Jared with the running of the nude blog while fucking anything with a pulse, and Holly with her inability to not fuck married men outside of her own marriage. Heidi fucked up in opening an already uneasy marriage to a poly situation, but she was trying to keep her marriage together while Jared strung her along on lies.
Jared and Holly don't get to bitch about being affected when they are the reason it all went to hell in the first place. That's like lighting yourself on fire and then complaining that you got burned - Of course you did, dumbass, have some foresight.
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Holly: we first slept together in October 2018
Jared: got divorced in spring 2019
Holly honey you can deny the groomer part but you cant say you didnt sleep with a married man. If you weren't the other woman then why did he have to keep you a secret and sneak to see you after therapy sessions? Why did he have to have a whole separate phone for you?
Oh wait! Because heidi was an abusive monster! I forgot you two planned your get out of jail free card ahead of time, my bad
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My thoughts exactly.
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Hm… maybe she's saying she herself didn't cheat, but Jared possibly did?
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This person makes several good points.
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She sure is feeding us this week. Everytime this thread slows down she starts sperging like clockwork.
Nobody wants you to be completely silent, Holly, they just realise that whenever you talk about it you make things worse.
Doesnt she have a boyfriend she can talk about this with? And a therapist? And a bunch of friends???
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Bye bye, birdie
I just dont get why she tries to come across as so tough and above her trolls when she always folds for them anyway.
"Criticize me so you dont attack others" goes private
>>1130523>after she literally just posted telling people to call her whatever they want and shame her all they want
What is this referring to?
It really seems like she's getting worse. We're years past the original scandal and she's having more
tantrums now than she did six months ago. I wonder if her relationship is falling apart and she's looking for someone to blame.
I mean… she quote RT'd someone with a blue checkmark & 826.6K Followers…
iirc, last week she quote RT'd someone with like 1,900 followers, so there was much less of a pushback…
I would show you the tweet but she is privated lol
Basically she ended her tantrum with something along the lines of "call me a cheating whore all you want" before she went private. again, can't find the exact wording
>"Maybe he realised that being friends with Jared while still buddying up with Ross is weird and disrespectful as hell"
Jared @'s & name-drops a lot
. He did it even more after his comeback, but it seems like his friends don't want their relationship with him to be public.
I love that she says to hold people accountable, but when people have tried to hold her and Jared accountable, she FLIPS out every. single. time.
>"I'm tired of being silent"
Bitch, when - since this has started - have you EVER been silent? The fuck?
she locked before I screen capped
transcript: Call me an ugly cheating whore, shame me, use my tweets against me where I say I’m mentally ill. I have nothing to hide and nothing to lose anymore. Have fun.
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I’ve got you, anon
Post the whole tantrum, please!
I also really want to see responses to her "marginalized creator" claim. Pity she went private before that got traction in actual marginalized communities.
>"There were too many coming after me."
That'll happen when you quote-retweet a blue checkmark. Or anyone with a following.
Live & learn I guess…
The whiplash from her posting to trolls saying call her what they want and that she would rather take it instead of others having to and then this is outstanding
That second tweet…. ugh. I hate how she infantizes herself
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Last I heard Pewds was on Holly's side.
Guess no one told these two…
Meanwhile im sure Jared is locked up in her basement on his computer "working" instead of comforting or helping her through this mini crisis
What are the odds that she let's him live there rent free and that's why she is so impoverished? I doubt he helps pay for the bills or anything, maybe that's why she is so stressed about finances
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Anon, your grasp on money is broken. No one has Jeff Bezos money what the fuck kind of comparison is that?
As an amerifag let me clear something up; owning your own home, being able to fund the vet bills of a flock of birds and randomly being able to check yourself into a mental health facility on a whim are a good hint that money probably isn’t a big deal for her. Of course she can’t buy a plane on a whim but she does own a home in what, Seattle?
No one owes her their support financial or otherwise. Her throwing tantrums about suffering financially are laughable because, well everyone is and they don’t own homes in Seattle. So yeah, anons are going to be over it when she complains about the financial hit, especially when she’s the one that stopped creating content? Her problems are her own and she needs to stop looking to blame someone else.
She doesn't seem to ever do much, but always seems to be able to buy whatever she wants and do whatever she wants, including running a floundering cosplay business that didn't even take a guillermo del toro job seriously, dedicate huge chunks of her space to DnD or crafting or pigeons, despite living in expensive cities, and change her hobbies on a whim and go all out on supplies. I used to be a fan and I remember once she bought a vacuum chamber and a bunch of other expensive resin casting supplies on whim saying she was going to start selling toys, and only stocked a handful before moving on. The rate of her spending doesn't really match what she's done over the years, pre DCA her youtube channel wasn't even that big and was a handful a cosplay videos with decent views and a bunch of lets plays with abyssal views.
I don't think she's from generational wealth, but she's definitively well off enough that this isn't ruining her financially like she claims.
In her head, I think it is. Like you said, she's used to spending money on whatever she wanted whenever she wanted and she might now finally be at the point where she has to ration it a bit (still far better off than most people, if she can afford the damned birds). >>1130605
That's what I've been saying. If hoelly just shut the fuck up, we'd all have gotten bored and moved on months ago, but like clockwork, this thread dies down, she cries about being cancelled and it starts it all back up again. She thrives off of this shit
She has been so well off for so long that she thinks what she is now is poor when it's still way more well off than most Americans right now
Imagine how much money she would have if she put effort into her job and actually made some content instead of using the "I cant be motivated to work because of the DrAmA" excuse almost 2 years later. Fucking grind, record let's plays or crafts or witch shit and post more often and fucking work, that excuse wore off a long time ago.
You'd think someone whose job is being an online personality would be going all out during a pandemic where everyone is online consuming content all day
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Hored stans: LEAVE HOLLY ALONE! SHE IS JUST TRYING TO MOVE ON!
Holly: -sits on twitter, liking posts that give her nothing but compliments while crying about being 'harassed'-
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Guys, she's doing it again. She's literally tweeting to see how long it takes to get hate comments or for someone to post the tweet elsewhere.
Y'all stans want to tell me again how Hoelly isn't asking for this shit??
You mean like it was when she took a post Heidi made on her PRIVATE facebook and released it to the public of THOUSANDS and THOUSANDS of her followers in an effort to slander her?
Those in glass whorehouses shouldn't throw stones, Hoelly.
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She should start with whoever the fuck this is. If this person means Jared, no worries - we've all already seen his dick, hard pass on that one. If this person means Heidi, why do they think Hoelly would care?
God how embarrassing. I can't imagine being a 34 year old she/they.>>1130545
I love how she started typing like a tumblr dom and having her YA hero moment with her liberal use of dramatic periods and ZERO heart emojis or deflective, self deprecating language and then the minute somebody criticized her it was right back to bleating and crying. Fucking hilarious. >>1130639
Kek didn't she get clowned super hard for this last time?
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I got it. I think she deleted this one though.
Is she even anyone’s favorite cow? She’s not even the only cow.
Holly you’re not a martyr, please stop.
You forget the best part!!! She tried to paint herself as a victim
and martyr and then immediately
>cancel culture jesus
Fucking hilarious, anon, well done
Think it annoys Jared when she gets this way when they both know damn well he had it way worse than she ever did?
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From Tumblr LMFAOO
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And now that TWC blog is posting that Holly reached out and they cleared the air… throwback to holly reaching out to creepshow art
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"you're the top kek"
she really doesn't see the irony in obsessively visiting this thread, does she?
where did the anons crying about heidi go? they seemed to evaporate as soon as her break down started. maybe she doesn't just obsessively lurk, but posts as one of her many methods of self harm, and getting told off triggered
How can you be as online as Holly and not understand the context of top kek
which is basically lmao
>You're the lmao
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and where is her partner during her break down? oh yeah, tweeting at that streamer that looks uncomfortably similar to his ex wife
What a coward. "bu…bu…buuut I can't show myself on cam!" Yeah, and you never will if you insulate yourself.
Super ironic someone is whining about Heidi and a salty tweet about her selling her shit to remove bad memories about her marriage and we have this meltdown. It goes to show the people who hate Heidi here are not farmers, but Hoelly friends. "Y'all ready to say Heidi is soooo down to earth." By comparison - yes. Holly is a fucking freak. She's an emotional vampire that feeds off of pity from others. She's toxic
af. Imagine a person complaining about cancelculture because the man she cheated with traded nudes and jacked it to minors, while trying to victimize herself. Imagine this same person, having free money from her Grandpa, sure she may not be mega rich, call herself marginalized. A white woman with inheritance, social media presence and does NOT WORK A JOB. What the fuck are we supposed to relate to when she whines about a god damn show that involved her sexual fetish live and gaming?! Whine about Heidi all you want. It's boring. It will always be nitpicking, but tell me we're not getting a milkmas here with this white trust fund baby that was able to, at least, spend half a mil on a house on Seattle. If you're not an amerifag, then you certainly don't know how much houses go for in Seattle compared to average incomes in the US. Holly is more definitely well off to not have a job, have tons of birds, and afford a house in one of the most expensive cities in the US. I've never known a person to move Seattle without having inheritance.
At this point she probably just gets off on the drama she stirs. Playing the perpetual victim
is the ultimate roleplay for her.
What’d she do, block all her followers? What does this even mean? She really has lost her fucking mind this time. >>1130814
lmao, ProDick doing what ProDick does best, ignoring Hoelly for egirls.
Idk if it’s anything that can be looked up or if she’s hinted at it before, but besides the actual money passed down-wouldn’t she also come into custody of Disney stocks? Maybe other stocks, too?
It would explain how she lives. Utilities, day-to-day living costs, bird costs (I’m sure she hired someone to make the enclosure as well), it would make the most sense if she had a stable and secure income.>>1130798
I can’t wait for the day mods expose her post history.
Side note-Has anyone ever even called Holly a “whore” or “slut” besides herself?
jared is probably stonewalling her so she needs to turn somewhere else to fulfill her incredibly unhealthy emotional needs. >>1130824>ProDick doing what ProDick does best, ignoring Hoelly for egirls.
this is the man you risked it all for, holly, you could have made out like nate and anna had you kept your mouth shut. cheating isn't a good luck but also something that could have easily been overlooked in a couple a months, yet you decided to go to town setting yourself on fire for a sexpest and making your ties to an abuser very, very public
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this is a nitpick but i follow the person who called her a cuck and one of the people arguing in the comments called holly a ghoul, i’ve never seen her use that insult before so she was definitely lurking
i also find it weird that the user said “anonymously” when the other persons face is clearly visible
she wants to latch onto the sexist and easy to dismiss insults so that she doesn't have to address people who discuss her actual actions and hold herself accountable
it's easier to maintain her narrative if all her ex-fans are just 'bullies' rather than people disgusted with her actions
It's almost like Holly interprets everyone pointing out how she cheated with a cheater as slut-shaming>>1130860
Incoming "ghoul" merch in five… four… three…
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Ew, as if. Her “fans” are just as bad as her “haters” for making shit up like this.>>1130833
Jared is under the desk crying to another girl about how Holly is abusive
and scaring him.>>1130836
This is amusing because besides the hair, at least in the icons both users look the same.>>1130847>>1130854
Yeah, there’s a huge difference IMO. She seems to be the one calling herself a cheating whore, etc. It’s so frequent that it seems more that she’s hoping it will be something that catches on in this thread.
She thinks so highly of herself despite not even having her own thread in Snow, she’s hardly relevant even on this site but feels it’s on par with being Kanye West or a mistress of the previous President Clinton.
I was being nice before ITT but she must be upset that nobody wants to defend her here, besides herself. Any time I feel neutral about her she slips into this agressive “IDC I’m not going to be a silent victim
” mode, followed by her prostrating victim
At her big age she’s here screenshotting LC like how other anons screenshot her tweets.
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This is from her patreon. I went to look at it when anons were talking about her money. I didn't snip it then, but it was $14_1. I think $1471? I don't remember. Immense regret now. Look who lost patrons in the past ~4 hours. She's so pooooor you guys we should pity her :,((((
It's not that the idiots here doesn't understand money, they're just so hung up on harassing people.>>1130902
This is an imageboard, show receipts.
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Googled the Min wage for Seattle and she’s making twice as much from Patreon than a person working 40 hr weeks makes despite hardly doing anything at all. That’s not even including her shop, anything extra when she streams, etc.
What a terrible life, she must really be struggling after losing everything to cancel culture. I mean, it wasn’t her that got “cancelled” because that was Jared-but less people like her now! Strangers are mean to her! She can’t help but keep up with this thread because it’s how she hurts herself!
Seattle minimum wage is 16.69
40 hours a week is 160 hours a month.
That's $2670.40 a month. I'm not saying she's poor as fuck or anything.
But she certainly isn't pulling in "rich people money" like the cows here are implying.
Does she own a home in a notoriously high cost of living area? Yes. Does she own NUMEROUS animals and manage to get them all veterinary care? Yes. Can she get on a plane when she pleases a take a trip somewhere? Barring covid, yes.
In the state of the country today? That's "rich people money". And yet she has the absolute gall to call herself a marginalized creator as an upper-middle class white woman. That is why people are pissed.
My bad, thought Patreon was weekly.
Regardless pic related in reply was for Holly.
I think it would depend because we don’t know how much money she had to spend from her inheritance (especially if she was working before and didn’t have to use much), what her actual income is besides Patreon, her shop sales, etc. Did she own a house when she married Ross?
Considering he was staying with friends he might have just moved in with her. If she had been the owner of that house, she most likely would have made enough from that to buy a house in Seattle-right?
I’m a Canada-fag, so I’m just assuming the area she lived before would be similar if not more to what she bought. >>1130910
This as well, Jared moved in with her so it makes sense that he’s helping with general living costs.
Her channel's views are terrible and she hemmorages subs with every upload, but twitch and her overpriced Cult of Personality store are what adds to her Patreon.>>1130909
She was getting paid as a performer very likely, as well as payment for con appearances.
The miniatures got cancelled despite someone saying they were going to 100% come out last fall.>>1130927
Grandpa Lanpher died in 2011 and Holly married Ross in 2012, so she already had that sweet inherited expensive California home.
That is nowhere near "upper" middle class, anon. Again, you folks clearly have no grasp of money and it's laughable. 29% of her age group in Seattle metro area own a home. This only proves that she at one point had more money than average people. Owning in Seattle is also saving you money. So while she spent a lot to get there, that means she has a far lower daily/monthly cost of living.
She also has only traveled once since the drama that I'm aware of, and she had plenty of opportunity in the 10 months before COVID, so you're tacking on completely useless data.
Just admit "we don't know if she has money or not, beyond $1500 a month", that's not much to ask. There is nothing indicating she even has a stable lifestyle.
For which videos? Is this really a sticking point for you? Does she have to be wealthy for it to be okay to make fun of her antics?
The average youtuber makes $0.002 per view, you do the math for her 12,000 views in the last 30 days.
>>1130933> Grandpa Lanpher died in 2011 and Holly married Ross in 2012, so she already had that sweet inherited expensive California home.
No shit? Damn.
I had no idea it was so recent, so most likely he funded her schooling abroad while he was alive (unless her parents did) and she’s lived an extremely cushy life then is pretty fair to say?
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Okay, this was kinda funny
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Okay, but some of these reactions are gold.
too bad most of the hate she encounters happens when she name searches herself or obsessively stalks this thread, locking isn't going to do jack shit when the haters aren't the problem>>1130935
if she wasn't sitting on a good savings/inheritance then she is a dumb ass for buying in a hcol city and having so many expensive hobbies including hoarding animals. who cares if it's 'cheaper' to rent in seattle (ignoring that it's still a privileged to be able to cover the upfront costs and buy in a competitive market). newsflash: she doesn't have to live in seattle there are plenty of cheaper places to live with tress.
plus sad old simp and guac probably are gifting them money hand over fist to stay friends.
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This showed up when I searched her name. Oof.
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I guess this
was what she meant by "Marginalized"…?
tbf he also does twitch where som donates hundreds of dollars regularly>>1130997
too bad her good friend and sjw extraordinaire adam kobel isn't here to condescendingly explain how a white woman who owns a house in seattle is actually marginalized
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whining about somehow being gaslighted despite thinking it perfectly fine and acceptable for her and jared to repeatedly gaslight heidi for months
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"Everyone makes mistakes, & what happened is none of my business, so…"
"SHE DIDN'T DO ANYTHING WRONG!!!"
My god… her fanbase will truly be her downfall.
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Reupload. He's not longer Diath Woodrow. RIP, pour one out for the homeboy
Did this person miss when holly was dragging Heidi through the mud for her mental illnesses?
Also is it her mental illness getting her marginalized or her actions? Because pretty sure mental illness isn’t a get out of jail free card for when you sleep with your friends husband while being married yourself.
I know it’s been brought up often by anons in old threads but what was the post where Ross explicitly mentioned Holly used to be abusive
but then she worked on herself? Great load of good that did her in the long run.
IIRC it was Holly herself mentioning this for herself (within context of being with Ross), like "I used to be abusive
and got help for it" but it would be so long ago in a past thread I wouldn't even know where to start looking
iirc jared also mentioned it at some point (said holly know about heidi's abusive
behavior because holly 'used' to be abuse and therefore was an expert but also blameless)
in all of her mental health blabbering she hasn't even hinted once at working on holding herself accountable, it's is ALL about minimizing 'anxiety' (which is the vague label she places on all her bad feelings including rage and being too horny to stop herself from throwing herself at a married man.
my guess is she just told ross that she was getting help for her anxiety, and that her anxiety made her a bitch, but didn't do any real work and ross was too in love to call her on it.
well damn she used to be self aware. I’m willing to believe that at one point she had been actually trying to get better and keep her mental health and abusive
behavior in check, but I there’s not an actual off switch to stop yourself from having abusive
tendencies. it’s like being an alcoholic, where you don’t get better you just stay sober.
Holly’s clearly stopped putting in any effort or work and for the past two years she’s been publicly spiraling.
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I haven’t ever searched or even googled Holly Conrad before now but was curious if this was true and it is. The tweets under the search are great also kek
Also while searching her on Google after I saw pic related under recent mentions on tumblr and I am blown away that everyone has conveniently forgotten Holly posted screenshots of Heidi’s private account. How absolutely convenient.
Her using abuse buzzwords is also disgusting, she has no shame at all and I doubt she has much empathy for people. It’s only wrong if it’s people doing it to her, she’s even made Jared’s exposing as something that victimized her more than anyone. She doesn’t even let her own boyfriend have the “victim
” spotlight during the fall from grace.
oh word thanks anon. I take back what I said about self awareness. it seems like she only ever frames things around how she feels and her feelings and only includes how it effects others as an afterthought. funny she’s no longer friends with anyone who apparently supported her back then.
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tbh, this is pretty much what Heidi did.
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her "private" tweets, bitch this wasn't a separate private twitter that got leaked (hey remember Suzy's private twitter account that got leaked?! hold on I gotta grab my old tinfoil hat out of the closet that it was actually Holly that leaked that shit back then, I bet Holly still fucking hates Suzy)
this was her public twitter that she just shut down to stop non-followers talking to her. I would agree about leaking/sharing if this was a separate, intended private
account, but this ain't it.
They are so pressed. And it wasn't just locking to take a break. Step away from the phone/computer, take up a hobby. Learn to knit. Get therapy. It was specifically put on lockdown to weed out "spies" like she's got some fucking government intel to protect.
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I remembered Holly having a similar meltdown roughly one year ago, where she admitted to reading lolcow. So I went back to old threads and found the source…This is January 5, 2020
Girl has literally made 0 progress in the past year.
Nah. If Heidi produced milk, I'd be all for it. The video game thing was a lil sip and seems to be her final interaction with Jared? She's straight up boring at this point and it feels like people are just grasping at straws to "but HEIDI" us in the threads. She's becoming irrelevant now that the divorce is finalized.>>1130455>>1130460>>1130485>>1130488>>1130490
She just never quits does she? You think she'd realize these fits never get the reaction she wants and learn from it? Instead it's the same cycle over and over again. Can't wait to see her ask her followers what she's doing wrong and how she can stop losing followers for the umpteenth time.>>1130545>>1130546>>1130654
It's honestly like she's desperate to be the victim
. The martyr complex is strong with this one.>>1130781>>1130798
Congrats on being topkek anon!
This shit is too fucking funny at this point.>>1131008
And here we are again. "topkek"
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Reminder that all that person did was call her a 'cuck'…
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Re-posting because it only registered to me after that her unnecessary general “plural” before she talked about her drama but the original could be applied to Heidi who people make multiple alts to reply to any comment that talks about J/H/H saying everything was made up and Heidi fabricated every single thing about it.
She also said cheating scandal, not “cheating” scandal or false cheating scandal-interesting.
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she really makes it too easy for us, sorry for poor job
Strong contender for next thread pic.
For title, "Call me an Ugly Cheating Whore Edition"
Haha, this is amazing anon.
Wasn’t Hoelly recently crying about losing followers? Looks like after her latest sperg fest she’s down 6k. But yet she still wonders why people leave.
Holly was the one to bring up accountability in the first place, they sure love reaching to paint this thread as some kind of violent conspiracy with their elementary school reading comprehension >>1131008
Despite saying "I'm sorry" every other tweet, she never uses the words with any meaning. When she says "I'm sorry" all she's ever really saying is "have pity for me" to her asslickers.
That's the thing. After the initial hit of lost followers from "THE DRAMA" she could have recovered easily if she just handled it like an adult? Go ahead take some time off, block the trolls, move on and go back to creating content? She would likely be moving back into an upwards swing by now instead of constantly bleeding thousands of followers every month.
No one except maybe a half dozen of the worst jared stans want to see you dredge up the same old shit week after week.
Anyone else get similar vibes between Heather Sparkles and Holly?
I actually feel a little bad for Holly if this is how Jared treats her. She fucked up big time yesterday. But she obviously has a lot of unresolved issues and she's getting worse because she doesn't have a stabilizing presence in her life anymore. Ross and the Grumps seem to have kept her from going off the deep end. Jared obviously ignores her so she turns to twitter as an outlet for her pain.
Holly will justify him ignoring her/tweeting at the Heidi lookalike during her breakdown to herself as: "I was bad so I deserve to be ignored". I bet he freezes her out a lot and she just takes it because she has no self-esteem.
I'm probably letting Holly off the hook too much. I know she choose him and it's what she deserves, but he comes across as such a scummy, manipulative piece of shit and she's clearly blind to it. Their relationship feels pretty gross.
It was never against Twitter ToS. It's against branding/celebrities from doing so though. Since you can be verified for numerous reasons.>>1131307
It's just a post, literally nothing is happening in it or shadiness going on. You see people do this all the time to the point it ends up being a meme.
Nothing I can prove without saying who I am, but I want her to know when she reads this board that it’s not all strangers like she wants to pretend it is.
I’m just yet another person she won’t talk to anymore out of “fear” even though she should at least try to be accountable. She’s “afraid” of whoever won’t kiss her ass. It’s pathetic.
>>1131050> I talk about RPGs and CHICKENS
no you don't you tweet about the drama and how victimized you are, that's what people follow for.
i've followed her throughout this whole thing but she doesn't tweet about rpgs outside of crying about losing Strix/DCA/her Baulders Gate cameo. she never posts just general rpg content by itself. sometimes she posts some nice bird content (but it's mostly her munchausen by paultry where she begs for pity bc of a sick bird she horded).
>>1131052> She's becoming irrelevant now that the divorce is finalized.
exactly. ask yourself if anything heidi did now would be relevant had she not been married to jared. NO. she slipped a few times (and those times were talked about) but for the most part her participation in the drama is over. holly on the other hand has a milky history that spans back way before DCA, and actively keeps the drama alive and will not address her enabling and abusive
behavior. ppl follow her because she keeps tweeting self victimizing bullshit.>>1131068
there's been a lot of talk on bipoc art twitter about not cancelling smaller creators because the power dynamics are different, i bet she read about it and just inserted herself as a white woman like she always does>>1131074>>1131081
amazing, it's really early in this thread but i'll still vote this for the next thread pic and title
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I think the closest we’ll get to accountability from her is this weird ass hypothetical
Every single thing Ross mentioned in his "recognizing abuse" talk in the vrchat checks out with Holly. She displays these symptoms daily on twitter. It's so sad and pathetic.
How ironic that this was way more helpful than Holly's mental health monday shit
>>1131307>>1131395>Ross and the Grumps seem to have kept her from going off the deep end.
I don't feel bad for her. She hated being seen as Ross's wife and she was extremely abusive
to him too. I'm glad people are seeing this unhinged manipulative behavior publicly.
Yeah, it's almost funny how she outs herself. To quote oldsad "they deserve each other". Wonder if we'll ever see Jared pull the same "she was abusing me" narrative in regards to Holly once the pandemic is over and he can actively pursue new pussy at cons again.>>1131402
Remember when Suzy was all the talk of the old Game Grumps threads and people actually seemed to like poor uwu smollbean Holly? My, how the times have changed. kek
Can’t say I feel bad for her either. I wonder if ProDick is treating her the same way he treated Heidi, ignoring her and just trotting off to do whatever he wants. If I was her, I’d feel pretty dumb begging people to watch his videos when he seems to have no problem @‘ing egirls. She should have known that if he treated Heidi one way, what would make her special to be treated any differently? >>1131410
Oh he probably will. It worked once, why wouldn’t it work again? But yeah, they’re both garbage humans who deserve each other for sure.
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sorry you've not familiar with healthy relationships, anon, but normally when someone has a supportive partner and they are also having such a bad break down that they are destroying their own career very publicly, they could also count on having their partner's full attention and not have to share with rando egirls.>>1131408> She hated being seen as Ross's wife
now someday in the future she'll be the abusive
ex jared vague posts about being mad that all their instagram comments were about jared.
he definitely treats her the same top kek
> what would make her special to be treated any differently?
her delusions of grandeur and narcissism. at least that's why she thinks she's so special
idk, i agree he's not likely to change but i also think holly was more responsible for the the start of the abuse narrative and he jumped on after he realized that heidi wasn't going to be a doormat anymore.
he seems mostly like a super avoidant and passive boyfriend who gets annoyed when asked to consider his girlfriend's feelings, and more likely to tune out/ignore/hit on other girls until she calms down. but it didn't sound like he really wanted to leave or completely tank the relationship until he had no choice to
but who knows, maybe he's been paying attention and studying, and will take a play out of the holly conrad play book for his next break up. they really deserve each other
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Demisexual people have a very different experience being "marginalized" than most LGBT+ people, especially Demisexual people in heterosexual relationships. Like, it just is weird to me for her to lump herself in with people marginalized over sexuality when her sexuality has nothing to do with her drama or anything? If she says "I am only sexually attracted to people I am emotionally attached to" nobody would commit a hate crime or attack her for that, I'd even argue a very large percent of the population feels that way but doesnt feel the need to attach an oh so special term to it in order to feel like a special part of the LGBT+ community
Has she ever recieved hate for her sexuality? Has she ever been denied business or harassed or physically attacked for being publicly checks notes
attracted to people she is close with? Fuck no
This reminds me of how Heidi implied that Jared tried to use polyamory as a sexual identity, like he and Holly are unhappy being "boring" cis white people so they feel the need to label themselves as something more special
Women she can argue for, sure. But she has to realise that she is on the top of the pyramid for that: white, cis, skinny, above average wealth. Relatively compared to most women she would be on the "least marginalized" end of the scale
The one thing she could pretend to be marginalized for is mental health, so why she threw up demisexuality and femininity as her defences for calling herself marginalized is beyond me
"Women are marginalized" so you identify as a woman, not they/them. Got it. Might wanna fix your bio, hun.
Exactly. No, people aren’t coming at her because she’s demisexual, they’re coming at her because she’s crying about cancel culture again, over her own personal choices. She didn’t have to cheat on her husband and be the mistress to an emotionally abusive
sex pest as they bonded over their weird RP together. That is not a good look. But here we are, about two years later and she’s still whining and crying about it all over social media and even has the audacity to blame it on marginalization and not that she made some extremely shitty life choices which in turn ended up damaging her career. No wonder people are talking.
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>>1130935> Owning in Seattle is also saving you money.
statements this stupid make me believe that it must be holly or someone who knows her irl defending her here. i could totally see her being so out of touch to say something like this while defending her wealth and then som eating it up without question
anyways, sure economics anon, the problem with the economy is that millenials choose to rent instead of buy and not that shit is fucked such that only the rich can buy a house in a city like seattle anymore.
My lord you people are dense:
Having money at one point to buy a house does not guarantee having money now. She ain't fucking rich. She's just crazy.(stop)
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Privating to avoid those big meanies on lolcow! How’s that working for you, Holly?
People know this, they just want to trash on her, which is fine. People who use a computer or phone to post here I guarantee aren't swimming in riches just because they bought a computer at one point/leasing a phone now.>>1131542
Funnily enough this is pretty much harassment now given the reasoning she went private and people continue to try to milk her, it's not even milk at this point, wait til she says/does something actually stupid.
She can't aside keeping an eye on who tweets to her/then immediately comes here. Otherwise she's using the same logic as people here who think you're defending holly/jared when you don't say anything bad about them 24/7.
This screenshot popped up immediately after she posts this and only a handful of people replied, she can put two and two together if she's not completely stupid.
she can't, this is all for theatrics and not to actually move on
You don't have to interact with her to get screen shots. So there's no way for her to get rid of her anon followers. She's firing in the dark. >>1131260
Idk about TOS, but she can lose her verified status on Twitter if she stays private. Apparently one can also lose verified status just by not tweeting, because the whole point is that they want verified accounts to be more highly visible than others.
Hi holly. if you changed and grew as a person this thread would die. but you won't change, so the tread stays.
Yep. If she learned self restraint she could just not come here and blissfully live her life doing whatever it is that her career is now.
Good work not saging and putting more eyes on the thread by bumping it to the front, top kek>>1131584
She's putting on a show for attention and to look like a victim
. She knows perfectly well she can't get them all.
>>1131496>queer women>I'm demisexual
Is she being serious? She's queer and marginalized because she's a heterosexual with extra steps?>>1131542
Just stop checking the thread and ask your simps not to tell you about it so you can ignore it, it's that easy Holly
She mentions it to her audience intentionally, because people will swarm here and make posts like >>1131570
, she's desperate for people to come here and defend her because she can't handle a space that doesn't praise her in some way existing
Exactly, there's no more "end goal" here than any other place of gossip. Do these angry twitter people go into stores and lose their shit over tabloids existing? As long as public figures have existed, people have gossiped about them. If Holly truly can't handle that, can't handle any gossip or critique of what she airs publicly, then she shouldn't be a public figure. Nothing here stops her from creating or living her life, it's her choice to stop her life over it. She doesn't get special privileges no other public figure has. If this is the life she wants, she needs to be able to stop giving a shit, cause if you are famous people will publicly
discuss what you make public, and it won't always be praise and asspats. That's the business, that's life.
So much tone deafness. Holly you responded to a tweet made by a WOC
calling yourself marginalized. Peak Karen moment.
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it's because she associates the word marginalized with "shunned" which are two different things
she is not marginalized because she is not in a group that faces discrimination. While "demisexual" may not be as common, nobody would argue with you if you said you preferred an emotional connection before doing anything sexual with someone. She's mentally ill clearly but her actions reap their own consequences and she has resources as well as a support system to get help and is not lower class, unable to afford therapy or medicine. She lives in her own house with her own hobbies, interests and passions that she makes money off from, is with an affluent youtube, has an absurd amount of birds which only empties her wallet (which makes her whine), and she's a white female with a following who will support her and give her asspats
There is nothing marginalized about her
Holly is a public persona and this is a place where we discuss public personas so of course we are going to talk about her and post caps of her public social media. If she can’t handle criticism when she is in the public eyes with several thousands of followers then she has the option to step down from being an “influencer”. If she is so emotionally unstable that the thought of having people discuss her public meltdowns then she should simply not have social media, and that goes for anyone and not just Holly.
We are not responsible for her health, she is a 30+ woman, she is responsible for herself and there is no reason to coddle her.
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Guess her younger fans are gonna start throwing themselves at us…
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Besides, I along with I'm sure most other anons have and will never tweet at or interact with Holly. Ever. I gossip about her here and that's it, it's not my fault she obsessively reads this thread. She is a huge fan of contrapoints's video on cancelling and I know in that video Natalie gave tons of links and information on ways to block yourself from visiting certain websites. She can stop reading here if she wants, surely she must know that She will never be able to guilt everyone into never speaking ill of her again, especially on fucking tabloid gossipy sites like this. >>1131638
Surely Holly must understand that fans like this and SadOldSimp are the reasons she will never take the steps needed to move on. She and her new close friends- friends she made after they worked hard to defend her online incessiently- are constantly in this thread monitoring what us gossipy bitches are chirping about and all it does is expose her to shit that's bad for her. Maybe having friends who feel the need to text you every bad thing strangers say about you is not the best way to cope.
Holly, dude, you gotta drop your toxic
ass friends like SOM. He has a whole blog dedicated to his responses to this thread, corresponding with drama blogs, and answering questions with insider info he has from knowing you personally. Isnt that fucking weird? I dont know man, I just like it when my friends treat me like a normal person instead of a perfect idol. There is alot she could do to improve her current situation and she just… refuses.
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looks like hoelly's back in damage control mode
that’s exactly the response she’s been hoping for, she’s been obsessively namedropping this forum so that people will search it up
i said in the last thread she was furious that she couldn’t send her brigade of morons to suppress the people calling her out, and now she’s pointing them to the thread to fight her battles for her, unfortunately no one here gives a fuck if a bunch of idiots start sperging about mental health and we’ll continue calling her and her cretin boyfriend out either way
imagine being in your mid thirties whining on twitter about online gossip forums you actively seek out and read through so that a bunch of kids/other mid thirty year olds will “troll” it for you lmao
Big Karen Energy right there.
the fucked up part is that from what I can tell, twc was trying to give hobag a pass by saying that the matter was settled and she still went full victim
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It's pretty pathetic how obsessive she is about living in a bubble. Imagine spending an entire night blocking followers you think are from this site.
A serious wtf to white women. What is it about well-off liberal white women that has them fucking over POCs? >>1131497
Holly is the reason why academics can't articulate the injustices that happen to groups who face discrimination without being laughed at. A dumbass like her comes in and says "well I had to google it, but yeah! I am!" Maybe she's 1/15 Cherokee.
And isn't Demisexual just a Christian ideal of no sex without love? She's not queer! She's never dated a trans person and doesn't know the taste of pussy either.
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>"HOWEVER the level to which she has gotten shit over this compared to the almost creepy amount of support the other female party is downright miserable."
>"The even weirder part, …is that the male party seems to get little to no crap anymore."
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shit I think twc snapped. cue incoming lawsuit in 5…4….3…
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yes holly, the big scary anons on a gossip forum are LITERALLY stalking you by screenshotting and discussing tweets you post publicly onto your twitter account with over 200k followers
she constantly throws around big words with negative connotations and her followers are so desensitised to her manic bullshit that they automatically flood her with mindless enabling no matter how stupid and delusional the shit she’s saying is
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samefag but even one of holly’s dedicated whiteknights has told her to stop lurking on here, i wonder if the people who have enabled her from the start are getting sick of seeing the same shit over and over again
Holy shit, TWC better be careful. I get the vibe that Holly thought she would back down and delete her blog the minute she messaged her because of her clout alone.
Not suprised she stalks the tumblr blogs too, even if she didnt I'm sure SOM sends her every little post
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Are you ok anon? Do you think holly shares your understanding of money? Owning a house is a mark of wealth especially when that home is in Seattle, one of the most expensive cities in the US with a median house value of 800k.
It’s milky when she bitches about losing funding from fans when she’s practically stopped creating content for them and isn’t owed that financial support in the first place. If she was really hurting for funds you’d think she’d sell up and buy a house somewhere cheaper and start re-homing her multitude of birds or creating content again. The fact she’s not makes her financial comments disingenuous to a lot of people here.
Also thank you for the spit take of a laugh I had when I read your comment comparing buying a cell phone or laptop to purchasing a house.
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There is some absolute gold in Holly's replies. I'm dying
anon, you are the top kek
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the girls are fightiiiing. How stupid is hoelly, truly? She did this shit using her business page, too
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Aww, they're threatening the TWC blog!
she has no 'real' friends, thats the problem. She has morons who were manipulated into being her staunchest defenders that think she does no wrong, but she has no one who will bitch smack her and tell her she's being an idiot.
she's just bored. everyone's focus has been on the capitol and we all know she thirsts for the attention to be on her - good, bad, and everything in between.
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Holly when someone runs a blog with proof of her being shitty: JUST LEAVE ME ALONE!!!!
Holly when her fans threaten to doxx said blog: whats up Im jared, 19, never learned to fukkin read
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She’s not a girl, she’s not poor, she’s not a victim
to anything but her own shitty actions that go beyond being a mistress~ into things like scamming cancer patients and being abusive
to her ex-husband.
I hardly care about the scandal or even sticking up for Heidi. That’s probably not even the biggest factor why people continue to dislike her anymore.
I have a strong feeling that people are just disgusted by the person she revealed herself to be publicly. Just a manipulative, self-centered, 30-something woman who is constantly toxic
to her followers.
She doesn’t care about exposing her fans to drama, she doesn’t care about protecting them from Lolcow (especially the younger ones who could be exposed to triggering
content of other threads). She just does what she thinks will benefit her. Literally, anything she does is to benefit her. Financially, socially, you name it.
She breaks down and acts out to worry her followers. They comfort her instead of finding a healthy way to cope. She could be working on things in therapy, spending her days peacefully with her pets, living happily day-to-day offline with Jared, indulging in her hobbies, and streaming with mods who weed out the negativity.
She is a grown woman who is fully capable of making informed, proper choices. She just refuses to. Which is why you’re here, because you’re a bleeding heart type who got manipulated by a stranger online.
I live happily without worry. I sleep well at night knowing I don’t have the callousness that’s needed for the narcissistic and exploitive way Holly lives.
She can put the blame on “bullies” all she wants, but she will always be the true source of her own misery. If it wasn’t LC, or Twitter, or YouTube comments-it would be more cantered again on be the people in her life. Doing her “friends” dirty, triangulating everyone around her, abusing her partners, the list (unfortunately) goes on.
>there's still lolcow people in here
the moo is coming from inside of the house>>1131877>copyright infringement
somewhere in the world, a lawyer just died of laughter
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I wanted to see how many followers in total she has lost since the scandal broke. Her quote of 45k is actually much closer to 60k at the moment. Her account had peaked at 270.6k just the month before. At this point I wonder if she's ever actually going to recover.
Also, found this while looking up her twitter stats and got a good kek. Notice ANXIETY, ill, sorry, shame, shaming, etc. all being major keywords for her.
>>1132068>At this point I wonder if she's ever actually going to recover.
If you mean solely in terms of followers, I sincerely doubt it. Those are wife-of-a-Game-Grump numbers, not professional victim
numbers. Not even DnD Star numbers.>>1132065>the moo is coming from inside of the house
Omg anon I'm dying >>1131921>what is going on in Holly's personal life that she felt the need to start fights w/ twitter, tumblr, and lolcow all at the same time?
I'd bet money that Jared is neglecting her. They live together, so she's crying and having breakdowns while he actively ignores her in the same space.
Her most recent "I'm marginalized" tantrum doesn't even apply to Jared. If she's so intent on proving that cancel culture is real for "marginalized" creators "like her" she's not even remotely thinking of her own straight white cis male partner who has lots of wealth and clout on his own. Kinda sad. Someone else recently mentioned this, but I bet it's super annoying to him that she makes the worst experience of his life into her own story of victimhood where she is the main character and the one suffering the most.
At least now she's defending herself
instead of just throwing herself into the line of fire for a guy who definitely
wouldn't do the same for her when given the chance…
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Back to thinking she’s some kind of badass for blocking people, rather than too much of a coward to face the reality that she did a shitty thing
Imagine Holly being all "All of D&D betray me I fed up with this world" when the writer of the official D&D comics tweets at her still.
Her victimization fetish is eternal and infinite.
since she clearly doesn't have the control to stop coming here and reading about herself she oughta just leave all social media. Threads get real quiet when there's no insane "boo hoo I'm such a victim
" posting every few days. But obviously she can't do that either.
The reason why she won’t quit social media is because she has become so used to getting money from being an internet celebrity and not doing any actual work. She doesn’t want to be a normal person with a regular non-media industry job. The only way to survive as a public figure is to have a social media presence, and Holly still clings to her Twitter account because there are crumbs from her days of actual relevancy which have long since passed entirely by her fault.
I hope she’s reading this because honestly it is so sad she takes 0 responsibility in fucking over her career opportunities in DnD. Jared was the weaker of the two of them in terms of creativity, Strix may have been annoying and lazy and Holly a weak role player, but at least she had an aesthetic. Diath was a boring as sin character made by the most milquetoast commonplace white boy you can find ten of in the TTRPG community within one foot of a convention table.
Holly joins the echelons of white women who simp for the basic white boy they’ve been fucking who ruin their career for no reason. She’s no doubt a horrible gaslighting chronic victim
but had she at least acted like a mature adult and didn’t spend months following the cheating scandal falling on a sword over and over for Jared she’d still have had a career with WOTC. She’s had ample opportunity to move on and ignore and mute the hate she’s gotten from the fallout, but just keeps going back to self harm and ruin herself even further.
At this point she’s better off trying to find a admin job in Seattle or working at a coffee shop to put money into her hobbies.
The problem is that she doesn't want one. It's not that she CAN'T avoid negativity, she actively goes out of her way to find and create it. She will never give up control of her accounts this way because she's not trying to be practical about growing a brand or business. (Related - have you noticed that her business accounts basically never post? She uses them to contact her haters like TWC, but only advertises a product maybe once or twice a month. She's not even trying.)
She will never distance herself from the haters. It's not good enough to block them out and never see them. She can't stand the idea that they exist, and that they're out there somewhere talking about her. Until she fixes herself internally, she'll never have any amount of peace online.
Tl;dr: it's not everyone else, it's her.
She really is trapping herself in a negative life when she doesn't have to. She's still talking to Jared, still whingeing about the drama over a year after it happened, still posting about anti-bullying/anti-cancel culture shit every day. She clearly keeps her social media because its the only way she can get a torrent of pity and ~virtual hugz~ every time she has a little cry about the bullies, when if she'd just left it be she could have completely moved on and gotten actual therapy, not Twitter therapy.
Plenty of large internet personalities have been faced with scandals and successfully rebranded/recuperated their careers. She should take a page from their books and get the fuck off social media until she's put in the effort to relaunch her shit/get someone to manage it if she's so keen on schmoozing off her dwindling fanbase.
Jared is marginalised and kweer because he’s ~polyamorous~. It also wouldn’t surprise me if he comes out as nonbinary or genderfluid at some point citing his interest in fashion and that one time he crossplayed as a Sailor Scout for gags.>>1132402
My personal tinfoil is that she used to lurk (or even post) here before the drama and remembers a time when GG threads liked her. Maybe she thinks we ought to be on her side and feels betrayed that we aren’t.
Her obsession with lolcow is pretty strange. The hate she got yesterday was from followers of the larger creator she attacked on twitter. But apparently, in her mind, the hundreds of people calling her out on twitter are also all users on lolcow…somehow.
Maybe she doesn't know there are many other places on the internet that talk about her?>>1132419
I think most people agree that she lurked here back in the day. I remember she mentioned that she read internet "hate" sites about her in an interview wayyy back before the drama even happened
>" hell, she could probably get someone to do it for free like a twitch mod."
Unfortunately, it looks like most of her close friends just have
to reply to every single
bit of negative feedback, & none of them seem capable of just quietly weeding out & deleting that shit. SadOld might
have been considered for it, but him constantly relaying all the hate to her & his bragging & flexing says otherwise.
What she needs is a 'silent
protector' of sorts; someone who can manage her Social Media without
adding in their two-cents or posturing ridiculously.
…Or she could just make a private 'venting' account like Heidi apparently did. - This seems like the quicker, easier option, imo.
Meanwhile besides her mom's death (which was a shame), Suzy is thriving and minding her own business, even if she is not QUITE as involved with creating her jewelry since she outsources the creation, but whatever, she's got holographic stickers and merch and she's doing her own thing
not gonna lie sometimes I miss her mortemer makeup channel lol. She could have been a very sweet bubbly personality on Youtube if her past behaviors weren't so insufferable
also Holly kept a lot of her victim
complaints on tumblr at the time. Holly was also active and doing her own thing. I saw a random pic on google if you search "holly conrad" where she was out of the pool and her hair looked boyish short, it actually suited her more. I think she could pull off that edgy androgynous haircut
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I thought Holly's hair was cute before she went jet black. This was one of my favorite looks she did: the color really suits her and the cut was flattering.
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I was wondering what those 'Cancelled' t-shirts reminded me of, then I finally remembered…
Glad someone screengrabbed this so we have some history of her scrounging around for marginalized points after getting called out by POC
for the millionth time.
She may have deleted it on her Twitter but her white feminism is never getting forgotten.
She used to be super cute in like 2014-2016 with her short pastel hair looks but now she has committed herself to skin walking as Strix which doesnt suit her well, unfortunately. Her light pink hair was her best look imo>>1132334
I wonder what offends her more: us talking ill of her, of Jared, or of Strix/DCA. I'm sure reading that some people found Strix's shrieking and crying annoying hurts her more than any Shadman art or Hoelly nickname
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Her fans tell her that she is as well.
That's why she latches onto the current "trendy" sexuality - first, asexual and now demisexual. She calls herself 'queer' just because she has to have emotions for someone before she gets wet - you know, like a solid 80% of every sexually active person.
She is 110% not some kind of icon of the queer community. We don't want her faux ally bullshit, trying to co-opt our struggles.
Strix is a Holly self insert that she apparently themed her entire house around, so talking ill about Strix is in the same category as talking shit about her tbh.>>1132551
white women in the games and TTRPG industry are marginalized on paper, but in recent years more and more white women are making a name for themselves in the scene and POC
creators are still on the outskirts.
She has to know why people gave her shit for referring to herself as marginalized because she has 0 friends who aren't also white like her. But she can never admit to being wrong and needs her supporters to handhold her whenever she gets called out for saying stupid white feminism shit.
Girl we all remember what you did when Etika died. That's not something people are going to forget.
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but she's not marginalized because of her sexuality….. nor did she lose her job from the big capitalist company……
she literally did everything herself to herself
The word "marginalized" always has a specific context. There are some situations in which a white woman could be called marginalized, for instance if you're talking about the job market and only taking gender (not race etc) into account.
Holly called herself marginalized in a specific context as well: she's supposedly a "marginalized creator". This implies that she's at a disadvantage in YouTube/social media in general.
This is absolutely NOT TRUE even if other situations exist where she might accurately be called marginalized. Context matters.
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I realise this is nitpick but I just am surprised she didn't give some people the art they paid for at that show
"She | they" in the bio is the calling card for cis women who don't want to appear cis for clout, but still comfortably identify as women in society.
Same with "demisexual." It's a preference, not an orientation: you're either asexual or you're not. Either you want to have sex with people or you don't. You can call yourself whatever you want but considering yourself "queer" because you have a low libido and an otherwise completely normally and socially acceptable level of attraction to others is gross and exploitative of the LGBT movement.
She's an ordinary straight white girl. Idk why that's so difficult for her to accept.
Not trying to white knight, but there are definitely non-cis "she/they" users out there. Holly calls herself a woman on the reg though, so I doubt the included "they" has anything to do with her gender identity.
Definitely agree on the demisexuality front. She isn't marginalized for not being attracted to random strangers. I mean, I could certainly feel pity toward her for, by her own admission, only ever being sexually attracted to Jared–but not for the reasons she'd like.
I wouldn't go that far with the pronouns in the bio thing, but the "I'm asexual until it gives me license to fuck my married coworker, then I'm demisexual!" is absolutely her attempt at being LGBT+ because she thinks it adds something to her uwu not like other girls personality. She knew she'd get shit for fucking jared when she claimed to be asexual the entire time she was married to Ross, so suddenly "I'm demisexual and queer, which makes me as marginalized as this POC
that I'm trying to speak over"
youd think after black twitter came for her over the Etika mess she'd have learned, but guess you can't teach old bitches new tricks.
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I think holly went after the wrong person this time holy fork
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Oh god these people…
>>1132855>"You can have white privilege and still be marginalized"
Yeah, except most of us are smart enough to not find a post by a POC
and trying to speak over them about how marginalized we are.
>>1132855>actually, you're a victim of people telling you you're not a victim
Holly will always perform whatever mental gymnastics required to land back on her victim
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$75 for a torn up leather bag? the fuck?
I guess I can't say much since hobags fans are actually shelling out that kind of cash mid-pandemic for something they probably could have found for a quarter the price elsewhere.
So, in the last three years, she's been asexual, pansexual, and demisexual. She's either sexually attracted to everyone, no one, or just certain someones.
All of that toxic
bird shit must have corroded her last brain cell.
"Demisexual" aka massively insecure to the point that she can't get outside of her own fear long enough to feel confident having sex. The role play allowed her to feel special and confident because they were "Diath and Strix meant 2 B uwu" and she could pretend to not be herself long enough to get off.
She latched onto Jared because she needed the role play to believe that they had a special bond she couldn't have with anyone else. That's why she felt so entitled to him. She "needed" him because he was the "only one" who turned her on by playing pretend with her. Nevermind that she had already dated and married Ross for years. He wasn't a DnD influencer that would pretend to be their characters 24/7 with her.
I wonder if/when her delusion around this will wear off. Like if it will ever occur to her that Jared will fuck whoever makes him feel special and powerful too, even if it's a random egirl. You're not some special treasure to him, Holly, he's just going along with what you say because you're unstable and terrifying.
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This whole reaching out to the tumblr blogs is such a bad look for her. She thinks everytime she reaches out (aka attempts to intimidate) her critics that they will immediately back down and delete their criticism and it's so gross. I'm so glad TWC didnt bend over like creepshow. Not to mention that she is once again using her brand accounts for the drama instead of keeping it professional.
ALSO if she doesnt understand tumblr messages all that well she should ask her basement dwelling boyfriend, I'm pretty sure he knows his way around the tumblr message system
Didn't she post on tumblr regularly for years? And we're supposed to believe she still doesn't know how to use it?
Also, why is she using her business account to participate in drama?
This, for real. It is absolutely mindboggling that Holly thought it was appropriate to become close friends with former hardcore DCA stans. Look what happened with SOM: the guy created a public blog where he talks about HER LIFE and reveals personal information about her past marriages and current relationships.
SOM's blog gets mentioned here in passing, but every single time it blows my fucking mind that she thinks this is a normal 'friendship' thing to do. "Yeah, my friend blogs about my divorce and how he doesn't like my ex. No big deal." This is the wildest fucking thing to me and it shows she's become so detached from the real world she's mistaken fans as friends. Leaving the internet, getting a normal job and regular friends would help her immensely. Despite her past history, I still find myself rooting for her to dump all her gross orbiters and get her life together.
what is this boomer talk of "tumble" she used the platform for years! she used to talk about her past and her life there. she used to post about her fucked up parents, and her grandpa being in a home, and how her channel revenue goes towards his care, and how her dad wanted her to be a blonde surfer chick and how she hated being associated with just game grumps instead of her own thing
why is she acting like she's never seen this platform before? I'll give her that she maybe doesn't visit often enough to see a notification but I don't get why she's acting like she never saw it bc she doesn't know how it works. Just say you have been avoiding the website and didn't see it, that's at least a legitimate reason.
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The blog that posted the screenshot on the left seems to think it is Kayla doing damage control
Asking out of pure curiosity:
How many people that post/lurk these threads were fans of Holly before they found they found lolcow?
Since nothing came out of this >>1131638
(except that one poster that may or may not be Kayla or Holly herself) I wonder how many attempted attack dogs actually took a further look instead of "trolling" our dumb lil forum.
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Saw this & thought of ProJared
“You know me” was the thing that had me unsub from all her socials and is also how I found lolcow
She’s her own worst enemy in all this honestly
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New tweets incoming. She seems embarrassed of her actions lately
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Cool Holly so if you’re not a narc you’re going to someday take back what you said about Heidi while you were gaslighting her and then later making people hate her for no reason other than acting like a hurt and upset human being, or no she had it coming?
I’m never going to be over her apologizing for what she said about people with BPD being unfixable but not apologizing for saying Heidi is unfixable.
Sunday>I'm a victim of cancel culture in pro DnD >>1126174
Monday>I'm a victim of cancel culture via YouTube comments >>1128813
Wednesday>I'm a marginalized creator >>1130455>and an ugly cheating whore>>1130654
Thursday>I'm a victim of lolcow and TWC >>1131542
Friday>I'm a victim of being told that I'm not really a victim >>1132855
Saturday>I'm a victim of my parents and that's why I act out >>1133450
This is what she chooses to spotlight on her massive public platform. No matter how many times she claims it's just rpgs and chickens. She is obsessed with her perceived victimhood and can't stop broadcasting it to the world. She needs EVERYONE to know and agree with her, and she'll obsessively seek out those who don't. Even if some of this stuff is genuinely a struggle, she's completely focused on it and wants everyone else to pay attention to her woes as well.
This must be exhausting. At least she took Tuesday off.
These really just feel like a blatant grab off of twc to be honest. She goes off on twc, twc responds to an ask bringing up how she struggles with her own childhood issues, and now magically hoelly finds a loophole to talk about HER childhood trauama?
That or a bs attempt at once again playing the sad victim
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TL;DR at the top because I’m just talking about married men in general cheating but playing the women off each other so he comes across helpless or responsible for what’s going on. Don’t waste your time reading it because the long short of it is Holly is as stupid as she is narcissistic and we all know that.
To be fair this is absolutely worst case for any scenario so it’s gonna sound extreme but bear with me that I’m not tinfoiling that anyone was in danger kek
Situations like J/H/H remind me of Chris Watts (Less Scott Peterson because of personality type, I guess), because Jared was acting/texting the exact same way Chris Watts was. Shanann was as exasperated, emotional, and confused as Heidi was via texts. I hate to compare the two because a pregnant woman and her two very young children were murdered in one case while nothing like that happened to Heidi so it could be read as if I’m saying Heidi was or could have had her life at risk cause of some stickbug, beak-nosed nerd in a SHEIN hoodie and matching SHEIN empowerment bracelet-but the similarity of the texts is specifically what I mean since it’s a publicly accessible example of both sides-when usually in every other occurrence we get to see only one maybe or cherry-picked pieces of bigger convos.
Again-not saying or implying Jared is capable of murder, but I wish “the other woman” like Holly would read shit like that. How far married men go to continue cheating so they begin to lie, triangulate, manipulate, do a stonewall then love-bomb cycle, and say a different story to both women he's seeing so that they both think it’s the fault of the other woman. Not only with texts as examples sent from Chris to Nichol vs Chris to Shanann, and how Shanann was confiding in people-but if Holly read more than forums or cancel-culture books she might be able to get a couple of brain cells together to realize she was messed with emotionally and mentally as Heidi was.
Like, even in the bits of convos J/H/H put out of texts shared between both parties it was obvious Jared was telling each woman respectfully that the other was crazy.
Telling Heidi that Holly was saying she was emotionally unstable, pushy, misunderstanding everything (Including boundaries), crazy.
Telling Holly that Heidi was emotionally abusive, mean, crazy.
This is nearly every cheating story where the guy is married but he wants to have his cake and eat it too.
Holly just thinks she won, or that she saved poor Jared. If he’d said no to Holly on the other hand and kept dragging his marriage out as long as possible, Holly would still be saying she’d want to an hero or otherwise hurt herself while also drinking wine alone tweeting about wanting to help her abused friend.
It’s frustrating because it’s always the same old story, I bet before she turns 40 Holly is going to want to be checking Jared’s texts and DMs in the DL.
>>1133591>"checking Jared's texts"
You know she already is, though she will always publicly play it cool. "See? Heidi wouldn't let him explorer his feelings for other women and I will therefor I am the better partner but also please love me forever those other women are all manipulative and abusive
I doubt she's spoken to a therapist in literal ages. If she was actually getting help from a therapist, she wouldn't have lost her god damn mind and acted like a psycho obsessed with being a professional victim
You're a narcissist, Holly. It's the one thing that you and Jared have in common and why neither of you genuinely care about the other. You're both too busy smelling your own farts.
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You’ve got a good point, she’s his Hillary Clinton but she thinks she’s his Monica Lewinsky
Wonder how she really feels when any number of PYTs are giving him a good brain day in one place while she goes off to another place alone to have a bad brain day
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what Holly hasn't realized is that she threw herself into the flames for a guy who would never do the same for her
Jared is Jared, and if it wasn't Holly, it'd be someone else. I think deep down she knows this and this is why she's making such a fuss, otherwise all this was for nothing. Jared is not Holly's soulmate, and he would never act like she did for him. Jared could replace Holly in a heartbeat
And that's pretty sad. I've been in that situation before, bleeding out for someone who wouldn't give a shit for you. It ain't worth it. Jared has no redeeming qualities. I'm not even talking about appearance, like if Jared was a good person through and through nobody would care. Even before his big boom he wronged other youtube creators in the past who got left behind now while he skyrocketed. He hypocritically judged Jontron while not able to accept the same heat himself
Not only did he stay quiet during the worst of it, he has picked up all her terms, idioms and behavioral quirks like victimhood and sudden emotional "enlightenment" which you bet he NEVER used before, because he never needed it! He lives in her house, she takes all the heat and he just shuts up and then sometimes waxes philosophical about his "victimhood"
Girl he ain't worth it, Jareds are a dime a dozen. You mean to say it's worth all this for a sex obsessed guy who juggled two chicks while married to one, slept with other fans, send his dick pics everywhere and had multiple tumblr NSFW blogs?
Same person just adding that while married to Ross she NEVER used her sexuality as a victimhood thing because she never WAS marginalized for her sexuality! She didn't have jobs denied to her, she was not socially shunned from her friend circle, she was never assaulted, kicked out from home or abused because of her sexuality. And she knew that Ross was loving and supportive
She simply mentioned her sexualities in passing but it was never a cause to be singled out. Because she wasn't. She talked about her past on tumblr like it was a diary, and she attributed her traumas to everywhere else; cosplay communities, her parents, an abusive
ex she had in the past before Ross (she mentioned this on tumblr somewhere sorry I have no idea where to find that)
Now when all she has is this naked chicken of a man she has to take up shield against everything because everyone is against her. She was still shitty back then but she didn't have excuses, only herself. Now she will find excuses everywhere to justify and rationalize her decisions that clearly backfired
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You know hes trash when even the gossip forum dedicated to bitching about you is telling you to dump him
it’s true. if we do take Holly at her word about seeing a therapist and the fact that worrying about being a narcissist is a sign you’re not a narc, then she’s gotten herself emotionally involved with another narcissist like Jared.
Jared clearly shows no remorse and manipulates his emotions to best appeal to who he wants to manipulate. it’s why he was able to string both Heidi and Holly along, and how he was able to bring his pump and dump Uno Girl back on his side. it’s also how he’s able to get his remaining fans to send him shit. Jared’s as smart as a lump on a log but I do believe he has a sort of charisma about him that manipulates women to fall for his bullshit. he took advantage of Tumblr’s body positivity movement to get nudes from fans and he took advantage of his fame to fuck fans at conventions. he’s slimey.
Holly is a chronic victim
and being with a guy like Jared probably fills the same hole her pigeon hoarding does. except pigeons are actually defenseless creatures who need someone to help and care for them and are hated and misunderstood by a lot of people because they’re pretty filthy and overpopulated. Jared is a grown ass man who was financially responsible for himself at his then-wife. but Holly sees Jared as someone just as vulnerable and needy as her pigeons so she wants to take care of and defend the integrity of a guy who does not deserve it.
I’m sperging but Holly if you’re reading this: Jared is playing you and using you, just like he did with Heidi. Get him out of your life if you actually want to try improving yourself, otherwise if you’re not a narc you’ve decided to become emotionally and romantically invested in a narcissist.
I still believe that the only reason Jared left Heidi for Holly is because Heidi (finally) stopped taking his bullshit without question, & Holly still (willingly) does.
"I've made an ass of myself for the thousandth time online in front of my followers. Here's another excuse. Please don't unfollow me. Please. Wait … where is everyone going … ?"
Jared has obviously been a negative influence on her and is a toxic
person on top of being a sexpest. Heidi seems to be doing a lot better with him out of her life, even if she’s had to relearn living independently post-divorce. She even mentioned having a better relationship with her parents post-divorce. Holly is also a shitty person based on her past and current behavior, but if she actually is committed to being better she needs to drop him.
If she is actually seeing a worthwhile therapist I hope she sees the light eventually that Jared has done nothing but bring more negativity into her life. But it’s up to Holly to acknowledge she made huge mistakes and fell for the guy through roleplay and manipulation.
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At this point she has left her marriage, her friend group, her grandfather's home, her DnD career, her career and her mental health behind for Jared. She even moved him into her house and dedicated a huge part of her space to be his for his channel and collection. She has given up so much for him that I think she feels that if she left him she would have nothing. Which of heartbreaking since he likes his anime witch waifu Strix way more than he ever truly loved her.
The worst bit is that she has Heidi boxed as a psycho ex who only spreads toxic
lies when she should be looking at what Jared did to Heidi critically. She has all the warning signs right in front of her but refuses to recognize them because she refuses to recognize Heidi as a human with trauma who went through some shit. Once she views Heidi as a human (like she presumably did when they were literally BFFs before Holly decided to fuck Diath) she will begin to see the signs, but she never will because Heidi is an evil abusive
slut who stands up for herself and expresses anger in frustrating situations
meanwhile she truly could have just told Jared "if you are unhappy in your marriage you should communicate and/or leave", you know, like the friend she claimed to be at the start "I'm there for you"
Instead she did what she does best: she taught him how to be a victim
. Jared had no trouble sleeping with fans, flirting with fans online, asking for nudes or flexing the boundaries of his polyamory with Heidi. He never saw himself as a victim
because he clearly wasn't one. She never considered Heidi might be upset that her husband and friend are being dishonest with her
Then lo and behold Holly comes along and suddenly what is a conflict within a marriage not only becomes her business by involving herself with the husband, but she also twists the narrative so that she is "saving" the person she cares for as opposed to butting in to something, a relationship, that existed long before she came along
And Jared, the madlad that he is, when he commented on twitter something like "we are with you Holly, you do you", or some milquetoast encouragement like that, what he's REALLY saying is "yes, keep getting all the heat for sacrificing everything for me, really appreciate it!"
To be fair, the general consensus of the public is "Cheating is unforgivable
… UNLESS you are in an abusive
Unfortunately, claiming that your spouse was abusive
/controlling has become a sort of 'Get Out of Jail Free card' when trying to justify cheating on them.
If anyone asks for 'proof' you could just show the texts from when tensions escalated during the breakup - which they did.
The claims of Heidi's apparent abusive
behavior go as far back as the breakup - specifically when things (predictably) got ugly. And… that's it.
>"To be fair, the general consensus of the public is "Cheating is unforgivable… UNLESS you are in an abusive situation." "
This is why Holly refuses to see the red flags with Jared or take accountability for all the fucked up things she said about and did to Heidi. She genuinely believes that Heidi is an abusive
monster because she has built it up so much in her head as a defences mechanism. She straight up refuses to see the truth of the situation because then she would have to come to terms with the horrible shit she has done these past few years when it comes to slandering Heidi and manipulating Jared.
It's like how she is always posting mental health guru shit about Guilt on her insta stories: I think she deep down does feel guilty about what she did, but she refuses to allow herself to validate and analyze that feeling because she refuses to view herself as a bad person or even just someone who did something really shitty.
The times she does say she feels shame and apologizes are for things that came from the fallout of the drama like the Etika stuff or the marginalized thing, etc. She apologizes for that and feels shame for that, but not for the other stuff she did to Jared, Heidi, and Ross.
the 'if you worry about being a bad person then you're a good person' advice is trash and honesty the sign of a really bad and dangerous therapist. i believe she does go to therapy like she says, but i don't believe she's self aware enough to find a good therapist that will challenge her and actually address her real issue instead of letting her victimize herself further without question.
bad therapists will absolutely enable bad behavior and make it worse.
Tension started specifically when Jared and Holly went on "the walk" for hours through the night apparently without their phones while Heidi waited around for some basic honesty and then both proceeded to lie to her and gaslight her than nothing is going on
That was a clear point in which it went from "eh but okay" to "this is not okay" and neither Holly nor Jared were willing to include Heidi in this because it specifically crossed the boundaries she had set
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Funny enough I went looking for her Psychology Today article and it showed me shit like pic related.
I figured that if her relationship sours At any point, she’ll have all this foundation over time to explain why she ended up with Jared and how that made her the victim
>>1133880>Even before his big boom he wronged other youtube creators in the past who got left behind now while he skyrocketed.
I heard murmurs of this when the affair came to light. Was this pre YouTube and Normal Boots?
Besides Jared being a narc, Holly still is did pretty terrible things recently without Jared's influence. If she wants a redemption arc it's going to take more than just leaving Jared. Like right now, she still didn't apologize for trying to speak over an Asian woman. The only reason why she's seems apologetic is because her bullying and manipulation didn't work this time and she didn't have Jared or his fans to back her up this time.
yeah it was pre normalboots era, this is a podcast video talking about projared at the time of the scandal coming to light but they also mention how they were partners/friends with jared before his big boom
tl;dr he was salty when someone else was funny and he basically ditched them when it became convenient to him, but i would recommend a watch if you want a third party account of jared that isn't normalboots
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Who knew that antique stores were essential in the middle of a pandemic? This goes right along with ProPedo going to garage sales - Do the stans want to insist the antique store was outside too?
Jonathan Fast is Molly’s father; Howard was her grandfather.
Allan Jong, Erica’s ex-husband and no relation to Molly, is Chinese-American.
>>1134321>she still didn't apologize for trying to speak over an Asian woman.>>1134599
Still talking over an ethnic minority
This is ridiculous. Holly is a terrible person and said something very dumb, but she is allowed to disagree with somebody on Twitter without it being a race issue. I'm not defending her awful take at all, and she's not a marginalized creator, but please don't pretend that it's inherently wrong for white people to quote tweet and disagree with an ethnic minority. This is a huge reach when there's already so much to critique about Holly in general.
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Not to mention the rare time someone speaks against hored on twitter, they get people like Ingram running over to screech "HEIDI BAD" in their face hoping to make them back down.
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Ethan is the top kek for this
Summary for anons who don’t want to watch
>E: “This makes me think of the ProJared thing where everyone’s like ‘ProJared is innocent~’ even though he had a forum called SINJARED where he exchanged nudes with fans! I mean wrap your brain around how sick THAT is. That makes Callmecarson look like..“>Offscreen person: “Yeah, tame..in comparison..”>E: “..Dude, ProJared is the R. Kelly of fan sexting”
Ethan’s got a valid
point though, why did Jared get forgiven and why the fuck does he still have a platform? Just because so many people are insistant that he’s innocent? But it’s not true, he’s not innocent. It’s so gross that people have just let this shit slide.
>Hila: "I did find it super weird that people just… let him off the hook on that. I don't know…"
>Ethan: "Because all these shit-tier commentary channels were like 'He raped a girl!' they latched on to this ridiculous drama story that ended up not being true."
>Offscreen: "Right. And then it all kind of got conflated…"
Yeah, Ethan is actually right on this one.
The sensationalism of most drama/commentary channels went in hard
& talked like Jared had a bunch of teens locked in his basement or something, & when that
turned out not to be true, they turned around & blamed it on his accusers as if they themselves weren't 'hyping' up the story like it was some kind of True Crime shit.
It doesn't help that you've got Hored stans lurking around on Twitter & Reddit & hammering into anyone who doubts Jared that "Every single
part of this controversy was LIES & Jared is 100% innocent & the whole thing
- pedo accusations & all - was deliberately orchestrated
by his whorecunt ex-wife because she's just jealous of him, his fame & success!"
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The Hobag Defense Squad is once again on HOF, trying to defend her.
Notice that these people always go after to HOF to talk shit about TWC and never to TWC herself?
Of course she is still communicating with SOM and using him as a mouthpiece.
Even the people in this thread that can't stand her beg her to drop Jared and SOM. Kind of sad, she doesnt have any real friends to tell her and she wont listen to us (obviously)
Cant pretend I dont feel a little bad for, she dumped her supportive friend group that were willing to call her out and help her improve and now has a bunch of toxic
wannabes who use her for clout and money and clearly are keeping her in the drama instead of helping her move on. I would rant more about how fucking creepy SOM's behavior on tumblr is but I'm preaching to the choir, yall already know he is an obsessive toxic
Anyone else notice that Holly hasn't mentioned Heidi by name?
She always says 'That person" when referring to Heidi now…
>>1134894>why did Jared get forgiven
Considering how the dude can't even go to starbucks without people here calling him the worst person in the world and any thing he does that basic people do (including you) people constantly remind he "solicited nudes from fans! cheated on his wife! etc." proves the opposite is true lol.>>1135114
Funnily enough in the eyes of the law this does actually matter, just like if someone underage sends nudes they ARE in fact distributing childporn.>>1135280
No point in doing so since it's the equivalent of a dog whistle to rally her white knights if you do.
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Aren’t these the same people who scream that Holly doing something like Heidi is purely coincidental, but when Heidi talks about ANYTHING (even when she doesn’t mention Holly or Jared, even vaguely), it’s a big conspiracy again?
You know, any normal person would see Heidi's post are coming more from a place of sympathy and/or introspection, but of course these people are… different
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Yep! She's definitely
talking about Holly! These posts have nothing
to do with the fact that she hasn't uploaded on Youtube or Twitch in nearly a year
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The last part may be the single greatest backhanded sentiment that I have read in my entire life. Take notes, HOF
anon you know that Holly is not the only person on the internet, right? especially NOT the only person who gets into drama
holly isn't an "influencer"
this "enemies" thing is giving me too much draco malfoy energy
Its stupid for anons and HOF to pretend that Heidi's tweets are about Holly. Like insanely stupid. Heidi was with Jared for 5 years which spanned his career. She was with him before he blew up and while he was on the rise. She was with him in LA doing the influencer rat race. She was there in the background for all sorts of youtuber shit, of course she is going to have opinions, especially now that she has left the scene.
Besides, I'm sure she was getting questions about streams or blogs often, so this seems to be her response to that. She is just keeping her followers informed. Out of the 2 ladies in this drama it's hilarious to me that people think Heidi is the obsessed stalker one
What next? Heidi is tweeting pictures of her cat to spite Holly because her cat is cuter than Mojo? She is selling black clothes in her store because she is obsessed with Strix? It's been 2 years and in case some people forgot Heidi is the one that is alone and out of the relationship. I doubt she sits there all day plotting ways to subtweet Holly and win Jared back
I’d say it’s good that they go out to do things offline (Safely and within reason, obviously) that fill up their time. Who truly cares they went to an antique store? Sometimes when I see these kinds of things posted I wonder if it’s their own lil buddies doing it so they can bond over the more trivial shit posted ITT. Maybe use it to cozy up to Holly and Jared when the free subs just aren’t doing it as well as they used to. Like how people who steal your shit are the first ones that jump up to help you search for it.>>1135388>>1135541
Who needs enemies when you have friends like SOM who dedicate free time to staying all over LC replies (Whether directly or via HOF), reading whatever is posted on drama blogs on both “sides“, and with such intense commitment. There’s no way these people are that fucking dense that they would think they’re doing something that is benefitting Hored. We could be watching Holly, and maybe Jared, get Single White Femaled in real time.
HOF and SOM are consuming everything for the same reason anyone is-for entertainment. Though I’ll be honest it makes it some SICK shit to do that to people you claim you like. Enjoying the gossip so much that you’d create or contribute to drama blogs without even attempting to hide it. No matter if they we’re to swear to be biased in favour of Hored the very existence of HOF is to gossip about drama surrounding Jared, Holly, and Heidi.>>1135414
Despite the milk I often wish Holly would put on her big girl pants, or have Jared dust off his sailor scout skirt for one more mission, and would ask people “defending” them to politely stop the constant interactions that only help further drag it out. Even when forums have pretty much lost interest. Should probably start with the obsessive psycho with the several alts.
Imagine thinking you’re supportive or helpful but are literally unable to stop bringing up things as Holly says that the entire ordeal has and is hurting her? They see her boundaries and stroll right over the line without any hesitation, but want to act like they have moral superiority to LC anons. Absolutely beautiful.
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Slightly off-topic, but sometimes we need to realize that outside of Jared's protective bubble of loud mouth sycophants, that he's still a joke and pariah. Here's the top rated comment on a reddit thread about the NY Mets general manager harassing a report with 60 unanswered messages and a dick pic.
To be fair she might be telling the therapists the truth, since she lets strangers do the lying for her and Jared. If anything she just leaves out the shitty shit she did and just talks about what actually happened to her, regardless of her viewing herself as an innocent victim
a good therapist is likely to encourage Holly removing herself as much as possible and to do No Contact with LC.
On the other hand, the therapist could suck and prompt Holly to only talk about how she feels as a reaction to what happens during her average day so she can be empowered that she is multi-dimensional while writing her some k-pins.
Going by the definition of what demisexual is, it’s like an accurate-ish term coined in light of the Ace/Aro discussions getting the spotlight in the past decade. It does seem to describe how a sizeable chunk (not necessarily majority) of the population actually experience their sexual attraction towards other people, gender identities aside.
TL;DR: Demi is real. Marginalized, it is not.
Sage for discourse but kinda nitpicky, anon.
Altho, I’m glad there hasn’t been new milk from the Birb Witch. Too soon to say, but maybe
she’s actually doing something helpful for herself for once.
It’s been less than a full week since she went after TWC and us “top kek”, Anon. Let’s not jump onto the SHES ALL BETTER bandwagon just yet.
She’s just in the portion of her cycling where she’s trying to pretend she didn’t just lose her shit on her business account again.
Holly usually has a period when she keeps calm after sperging out (sometimes just a week, sometimes an entire month), idk if it's because she's embarrassed or because she just got her anger/frustration that triggered
her out of her system but she is most likely going to be milky again in the foreseeable future.
Sorry for the delete, haha, my question abt the average duration of the dips and peaks in her observed cycling was answered.
Will read first next time.
Agreed, anon. First of all, narcs can play the victim
extremely well as we've seen. That, and just because she's saying this doesn't mean she actually loses sleep at night wondering if she's the asshole after all. Chances are this is, if anything, another attempt to deflect criticism.
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Really Holly? Even though you or Jared haven’t admitted that you’ve made any mistakes, and you keep crying over cancel culture and say that all of this is part of “drama that I was dragged into” even though you were very much part of the drama? I find it very hard to believe that you’re working on anything other than getting people to pity you.
Not to totally defend the anon in >>1138800
but the post they were replying to looks like they were taking an obvious bait post and using it to say all hored stans think Heidi isn't human. Saying "the 3 ppl who wk haggy and hagred" seems to say that at least.
I mean, she literally was the one that made the drama public, so she does
share some brunt of what happened. Jared made a statement they were divorcing, she opened the flood gates, he literally said nothing or did nothing after his statement and then people started passing around HIS nudes in the chaos. No matter how you feel about the dude it wasn't 100% him.
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She always seems to lay a bit low after public discourse. I give it til after the weekend since she's in her element right now based on this tweet so she has no reason to garner sympathy.
Love how whenever someone points out Heidi had agency in the drama anons get so antsy to defend her they just assume it must be shitting on her and defending Jared. >>1139675
didn't say anything about Jared being worth defending they literally just pointed out Heidi was the one who made it public knowledge.
Are you actually delusional? Nobody in this entire argument has defended propest. The anon in >>1139656
pointed out that Heidi went public about cheating, literally said in the post that she's better off for doing it, but illiterate dumbshits like you can't comprehend that stating a common fact isn't defending a sex obsessed abuser. Go back to kindergarten and learn what words mean.
Exactly. People think her posting first and then not posting her sadthoughts as often nowadays makes her totally not a victim
, when she was. Try applying this logic to women that come out against celebrities that abuse them: it’s not traumatic because you brought the negative attention on yourself or you weren’t traumatized because your public social media profile shows you doing pretty well.
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No Holly, you don’t want people to be happy that you’ve made unhappy, you want to silence anyone who says anything negative about you. There’s a big difference.
she truly cannot help herself from oversharing her life with complete strangers
she also spends most of her time online trying to get others to make her happy by not criticizing or "canceling" her or whatever. she will never grow as a person if she can't own up to the fact that she requires approval from others.
This entire paragraph is a window into her delusional defense mechanisms.
In situations where she's been genuinely out of line, stomped other people's boundaries, and spead poisonous lies, she can say "oh I'm a good person who wants others to be happy, but it's not my responsibility to make them happy" to deflect blame from her actual terrible behavior.
"I want to make everyone happy" is her way of re-phrasing "no one is allowed to be mad at me for any reason." Because we've seen how obsessed she is with hunting down dissenters. She wants to "correct" everyone's opinions if they don't like her, because she's so convinced she's "good" and they must be "bad" or listening to lies to not see it.
In reality, people are neither wholly good or bad, and we make judgements about each other all the time based on the behavior we actually see. Plenty of people have watched her selfish, delusional behavior and come to the conclusion that she's not that well-intentioned, no matter what she tells herself. But Holly will never stop publicly insisting that she's the pinnacle of goodness, and anyone who disagrees is abusing her. It's insanity wrapped in a pillow of mental health speak, and the fact that she has a wide audience that falls for it is genuinely disgusting.
I was referring to that one lesbian Jared was stringing along. Someone posted screenshots of her tweets in a previous thread. The way hored still victim
blames her is disgusting.
Let’s not forget, “cancel culture = bad” can’t apply to Holly’s case bc she is repeating the exact same toxic
behavior from her past. No lessons learned yet.>>1140186
Agreed. I really, really, really want her to see this should be applied to her relationship with Jared bc it’s textbook. It’s RIGHT THERE. But her lie is as plain as the nose on her face. I’m highly doubting she actually does her inner work beyond recognising. I know everyone has their own pace when it comes to processing and owning up their own toxicity, therapist or none, but with a walking red flag in her private life, I can only imagine prolonged suffering before she gains actual empathy again.
Just report those posts or ignore them completely.
Over and over again someone comes to say “Heidi blah blah blah” and then 3 anons minimum take the bait, replying the same things that have been said during the last time.
It just…keeps happening.
Bait, hook, rinse and repeat.
Yep. You hit the nail on the head here.>>1140588
I wonder if she even knows empathy in the first place? She seems to only know me, me, me.
Well if you consider stating a fact and not even shitting on her "bait" then that's a problem more with the bent out of shape whiteknights that try to defend her at every turn.>>1140186
Pretty much kek
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…Since when is Holly non-binary?
This is exactly why nonbinary as an identity has so many problems (aside from the obvious). There's no one definition or description, and I've seen the term apply to anyone from a gender conforming 'demi-girl' with she/they pronouns, to drag queens, GNC bulldykes, and binary transgender people who like multiple pronouns or kooky fashion. It's impossible to be oppressed just for being
nonbinary because there's no meaningful definition or people group associated with it. Ostensibly, Holly is a straight cis white woman, and is treated as such. She's not exactly someone who would be denied a job based on creed.>>1141391
This too lol.
I always took Holly's inclusion of "they" in her profile as having nothing to do with her actual gender and everything to do with her being okay with having the singular "they" pronoun used for her.
Which… most people are; that doesn't exactly make her special.