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No. 2226881

Previous: >>2172539

Discuss art and related topics such as:
-Talk about Art Youtubers
-Ask about art supplies
-Discuss trashy art trends
-Instagram bullshit
-Art theft!
-General Art Bullshit
-Fandom and Shipping Discourse
-AI generated art (do not shill about your ai trained models key words on a prompt do not make you a artist)
-do not post your art to be reviewed here use the designated m thread

SCREENCAP EVERYTHING!
DO NOT REPLY TO BAIT! REPORT AND IGNORE!
WRITE SAGE IN THE E-MAIL FIELD OF YOUR COMMENTS!

Articles about useful resources for improving one's art:
https://hubpages.com/art/how-to-draw-learn
https://sites.google.com/site/ourwici/https://www.alexhays.com/loomis/

Tried and true books on perspective, anatomy for artists, etc:
1. Perspective Made Easy by Ernest R. Norling
2. How to Draw by Scott Robertson
3. Framed Ink by Marcos Mateu-Mestre
4. Figure Drawing by Andrew Loomis
5. The Atlas of Human Anatomy and Surgery JM Bougery
6. Drawing the Head and Hands by Andrew Loomis
7. Figure Drawing by Michael Hampton
8. Force by Michael Mattesi
9. How to Render by Scott Robertson
10. Color and Light by James Gurney
11. The Skillful Huntsman by Scott Robertson/Mike Yamada/Khang Le/Felix
Yoon

Useful youtube channels:
https://www.youtube.com/@mangamaterialsyoutube9454
https://www.youtube.com/@hidechannel2
>where to find art
https://www.wikiart.org/es
https://artvee.com/
>other useful sites
https://film-grab.com/
https://www.canva.com/colors/color-palettes/
https://line-of-action.com/practice-tools/figure-drawing
https://color.adobe.com/es/create/color-wheel
https://freephotomuscle.com/
painting Amrita Sher-Gil - Three Girls (1935)

MANY OF THESE BOOKS ARE AVAILABLE AS FREE PDF FILES ONLINE, GOOGLE AROUND. also check e-hentai and bilibili

Artwork:
Thanksgiving (1910) JC Leyendecker

No. 2226886

>farquad as thread op
why do retards keep making threads

No. 2226894

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what do you people think of tomfoxdraws? i read his book lately and i found it really interesting. i always appreciate a drawing book that doesn't oversexualise female bodies as well, aka have them in some sensual pose for every single picture. i find it a little refreshing that he draws very 'real' looking people.

https://www.amazon.com.au/Anatomy-for-Artists-Volume-2/dp/1912843420 picrel

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>>2226886
Not OP but Leyendecker is a classic. I assume she chose the little boy eating turkey for the holidays. This is one of my favorites of his for reasons.

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hi nonitas, can you please help meee i searched the previous threads but can't find the posts anymore. there were some nonnies sharing a few programs and links related to the pc98 type of art (picrel). i think i vaguely remember that you could process and render normal illustrations into that pixellated format, or something like that idk

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>>2226910
nona is right. huge leyendecker fan, and it's thanksgiving soon! i adore the way he painted hair the most. it's so simple, yet so beautifully glossy.

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No offense to anons who like the artists, but when a particularly popular artist like leyendick and loomis specifically get shilled I have a weird urge to stay away from their work. It's like seeing an advertisement for a product that makes me avoid it when I see it in stores.

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No. 2227040

>>2226894
This book is awesome, definetly of my favourites. I have also seen lots of artists i follow recommend it.

No. 2227041

>>2226910
its a good one

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>>2226894
>doesn't oversexualise female bodies
Everyone shills this book, but I felt it had that exact problem. The male model of course has a micropenis.

No. 2227089

>>2227030
Kek, literally

No. 2227096

>>2227083
I found that part of the book weird too

No. 2227108

>>2227083
tragic, how will i learn to draw a flattened dick?

No. 2227115

>>2227083
This is so weird to me, I’ve never bought an anatomy book for sculpting so I had no idea this was an issue that existed. There is something so male about the categorization and example pictures provided to show the S-XL breasts. It’s like a teenaged boy’s understanding of boobs.

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>spend the last year studying anatomy
>become good enough that my art friends ask me for redlines
>feeling very accomplished
>decide to take a break from the grind to focus on art for fun
>try to draw something
>base looks great, good anatomy
>try to add clothes
>all my pogress is gone, it looks like shit now
holy fuck why is drawing clothes so difficult

No. 2227159

>>2226922
Is that done with a rake brush or something? I like his textures.

No. 2227357

>>2226912
I can't remember those discussions but I have heard from others here that some artists use dithering to make mock pixel artwork.

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>>2226912
I didn't see the posts, and this might be unrelated to the answer you're looking for, but here's a list of PC-98 art software if you want to make "authentic" PC-98 art: https://blog.gingerbeardman.com/2023/10/21/list-of-vintage-japanese-pixel-dot-art-software/

>process and render normal illustrations into that pixellated format

They might've been referring to the color reduction method. I think a lot of demoscene artists use it.

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No. 2227388

>>2227383
There's also a method called index painting.
http://danfessler.com/blog/hd-index-painting-in-photoshop

No. 2227400

>>2226912
its in the pc98 thread on /m/

No. 2227418

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>>2226980
No, I understand you nona. Leyendecker IS very good and so I won’t hold it against the nonas here for liking him but he also acts as a signpost to all the TIFs of the internet who think they’re doing something innovative and interesting by replicating one of his covers with their latest yaoi ship. As someone who’s deeply into art history, I promise you all that there are a plethora of other artists who produce works of similar visual appeal, but no one who goes to Pinterest for artistic reference will ever open a book on early Baroque or Neoclassical masters.

No. 2227420

>>2227146
Everything is difficult if you don't have the practice. Good luck catching up

No. 2227421

>>2227418
Not everyone is into boring ass bible fanart

No. 2227426

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>>2227418
i want to scream every time i think about how tifs and fandom nerds and fuckboys ruined one of my favorite paintings of all time

No. 2227428

>>2227426
Same. This painting means so much to me and when I see trannies and sigma males use it as a profile pic, or to draw their favourite character in this pose with titchop scars, I lose the will to live. They should have never discovered this painting. Never

No. 2227431

Forgive the coomer drawings, but I admire how long he can draw. Does anyone here also draw this long?
I wish he would show his layers, I noticed a lot of these streamers cut them off.

No. 2227432

>>2227431
I also watch this guy, he has omega turbo autism. I can at best draw for 4 hours a day.

No. 2227441

>>2227428
i have another similarly gorgeous painting that means a lot to me, so much so that i have a giant print of it hung in my house, and i hope to god it never becomes popular. (i don't want to post it just in case…) but as someone who was massively into this lucifer painting before it took over it was so horrifying to watch it happen.

No. 2227443

>>2227146
I know how you feel nonna. Clothes are the bane of my existence kek.

No. 2227477

>>2227432
He seems to do it on weekends though

No. 2227494

>>2227418
Why does everyone here care so much about what TIFs might or might not like, and try to stay away from it solely because TIFs like it? It's so fucking dumb, it's not like that art/media/whatever was made with mentally ill self-hating girls who want to be men in mind. Besides, TIFs are female, so if a lot of them liked it, it's likely because it just appeals to women in general, or women with certain interests.
>no one who goes to Pinterest for artistic reference will ever open a book on early Baroque or Neoclassical masters.
I love both Leyendecker's art and Baroque/Renaissance art. I'm sure I'm not the only one who likes both popular artists and the work of the old masters. Women like Leyendecker specifically because he made the males in his art look hot and his stylization is aesthetically pleasing.

>>2227426
I also like this painting and hate that it became a popular meme, but can't you just pretend those people don't exist? Unless you spend a lot of time on Twitter, it's pretty easy to mentally block them. If you talk about the painting online, don't even acknowledge them, and instead make them feel like retards for even bringing it up. I feel if a lot of people did this, they'd stop being so annoying, they need to be bullied into shutting up. Everyone on the internet treats every single thing like a fandom meme now, and I'm sick of it.

No. 2227502

>>2227494
Forgive my autistic alogging but you putting a slash between Baroque and Renaissance is triggering unknown levels of rage deep within my heart. ‘And’. Put an ‘and’. They could not be more dissimilar.

No. 2227516

>>2227502
Sorry, I didn't mean to imply they're the same thing. I did indeed mean "and".

No. 2227549

>>2227494
>Why does everyone here care so much about what TIFs might or might not like, and try to stay away from it solely because TIFs like it?
because they are terminally online and dont draw.

No. 2227555

>>2227426
Ah damn I love this paiting so much too. Every time I see it I keep staring at lucifer's face, the angels in the sky, his colorful parrot-like wings, and how much the dark green of the leaves compliments the pale but brilliant blues. Really a shame that it became popular among internet autists and trannies. I wish I could paint male bodies like that.

No. 2227827

>>2227431
Rinotuna is the same, his streams sometimes go for 6-8 hours. I don't get how these guys avoid carpal tunnel.

No. 2227947

>>2227083
what’s inaccurate about this though? I wish every scrartist (scrote artist) would absorb the info about the top of the female breast never being convex.

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No. 2228170

>>2228025
Obviously the quote tweets are coming from quirky queers and spicy straighs that feel called out when their sex positive horny grey-asexuality is questioned, but by far most of the "asexuals" I see online are women. The hypothetical person the first tweet mentioned does sound like a made up guy to get mad at.

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DAD mods aren’t approving my husbando art anymore when they took under half a minute to approve all my generic ‘waifu’ drawings up until now. Well, more fool me for thinking IC moids wouldn’t be pathetic, insecure faggots over a woman making better 10 minute sketches than their 9-hour cube and cunny Mogoon-traced fetish studies. I’m done with that site. And if I ever see that fuck ass discord promoted in here again then I’m going to alog everyone on that server then myself.

No. 2228425

>>2227418
Regardless of ayydens being everywhere I think every young adult into illustrative art has a leyendecker phase. I visited the NMAI when I was a teenager to see his art and I'm in my thirties now. The anons itt are overreacting because their special interest isn't so special when annoying teenagers and moid youtubers like it too.

No. 2228447

Are brush pens easier or harder to use then dip pens, I want to switch over to them because nibs are ridiculously expensive.

No. 2228450

>>2228447
I personally think brushes are way harder to get the hang of than nibs, but it's all personal preference. You could try getting some cheaper brushes to see how you like them.

No. 2228521

>>2228402
Kek retard you got what you deserved

No. 2228562

>>2227418
>>2228425
>…will ever open a book on early Baroque or Neoclassical masters
Almost tangential to this entire discussion, do either of you have recommendations for books to look at if you like 19th-20th century art like Leyendecker? I just realized that as much as I love art, I wouldn't even know where to begin.

No. 2228897

>>2228402
Sometimes they take a long time to approve posts, its a barebones site with limited resources. Its not a persona attack against you, dumbass. They took almost a day to approve my submisisons too back when i just started my account. You sound insufferable and annoying so i am glad you are fucking off, we already have too many retards on the site.

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>>2226980
Loomisfags are the devilish archons of the art world, they have a very stubborn mission of convincing others to start drawing in that ugly ass Voltron-Arcane constructonist faux anime art style. You can tell the Loomis disease trails in that art style and they always overuse that same textured brushes, I get you it’s absolutely hideous and reduces every artists’ originality into boxy sludge. I’ve noticed this has started infecting modern video game design as well. A loomisfag plays with art like how an autist obsessively tweaks with computers, they absolutely forget that art is about individual flair not repeatedly applying the same problem and never finding creative solutions to them. Picrel will never be memorable, even the most fugliest and weird looking art styles are still beloved till this day avatar the last airbender, draw however you want but the fundamentals always matter but loomis didn’t create the fundamentals, so they are in fact shilling and trying to recruit people into their creativity death cult club afraid of making the wrong marks, afraid of working outside of the entire equation.

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No. 2228982

>>2226980
Loomis I can understand, especially because real people do not have perfect landmarks to use as proportion references. But Leyendecker? The first time I saw his art I was entranced. His paintings emanate a damp warmth. I want to lick them.

No. 2229026

>>2227947
Mind that you don't have a gorilla grip, nona. Standing desks helps out a lot too.
>>2228910
I actually love it when people graduate from anime. Get inspired outside of your fotms, yaois and pinterest! Sure there's a learning curve to make your style more you, everyone has awkward phases when growing up. Your picrel only resembles Leyendecker from the angular shapes kek.

No. 2229045

>>2228521
>>2228897
Found the discord nonas, kek. And my account isn’t new by any means, they’ve been approving all my female art instantaneously for months and yet only when I started posting horny male art do they go dead silent.

No. 2229060

>>2228447
have you tried glass calligraphy pens, anon?

No. 2229064

>>2229045
tayrt im not in the discord since i dont want to be surrounded by pedo coomer moids so i dont know why you were surprised how they reacted to your moid art

No. 2229074

>>2228025
Stuff like this is why asexuality will never be valid. Anyone ID'ding as ace were usually women with trauma, severe autist, and spicy straight porn addicts, none of which are really ace–unless you count the autist. No shit some of them consider themselves ace, They're just straight.

No. 2229077

>>2228910
this guy uses loomis >>2227431
a construction method is not the same as a style

No. 2229085

>>2228910
I see more mangaka recommend loomis than western artists these days, and frankly most art instruction books heavily ape off of Loomis. Hampton literally uses the same construction lines for the head right down to the same marks for facial landmarks.
>ugly ass Voltron-Arcane constructonist faux anime art style.
>Avatar is good though
These are the exact same art style. Don't lie to me.

No. 2229113

>>2229045
I don't know why those two were so aggresive towards you when your post was so innocuous. Smells like insecure moids.

No. 2229157

>>2229077
Did you not read what I said?
>ugly ass faux anime slop
It still applies to that guy’s artwork even if it isn’t boxy, I was referencing a very particular style repeated by many industry artists. Stop being retarded on purpose kek, that is still disgusting slop (and ofc they had to draw a catgirl and other naked bimbos because most of these artists are degenerates who learn how to draw just so they have an outlet for their fetishes)
>>2229085
Never said Avatar was good, I was saying Avatar’s art style is ugly lmao don’t worry I know it sucks
>>2229026
I agree with that and that was literally my point, I’m tired of anime influencing everything. And nah, you guys just don’t understand what I’m talking about because I’ve started noticing it and this very boxy art style has been made fun of numerous times in this thread before so

No. 2229167

>>2229045
Your account gets instantly approved when you reach a 15-day streak. Smells like bullshit. I post super slutty men, never draw women unless they are old and fat and i never had a problem with it.

No. 2229175

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>>2228910
>fauxanime shit
what the fuck is this schizobabble. Anime didnt even exist back when loomis books were released.

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>>2229175
Uh oh, someone is clearly retarded!
>deliberately ignores picrel example
>doesn’t even know what i’m specifically talking about because their brains are built like mush
>thinks the entire post was written in a serious tone
>pretending to be retarded just to prove a point that was never made
Were you diagnosed with autism or something? I don’t care about your gay ass generic Loomis painting and never did I say that the faux anime style was created during that time, your mother should’ve prevented you from sucking on those batteries and kept you in school longer.(infighting)

No. 2229182

>>2229179
I have no idea what you are talking about or what your point even is. take your meds

No. 2229185

>>2229179
I genuinely dont understand what loomis method has to do with fauxanime shit. loomis intended his method to be used for realistic illustration.

No. 2229187

>>2229182
No, because you’re stupid? And you’re not going to make me feel bad or “schizophrenic” for a shitpost kek, god this place is so joyless and autistic
>>2229185
That’s not my problem though, if you don’t understand what I’m talking about simply move on if you don’t understand it(ban evasion)

No. 2229189

>>2229167
Oh boohoo I haven’t kept up a perfect two week streak because I have a life and a university degree to get on with. Doesn’t change the fact that my account is still months old and that I’ve been posting consistently otherwise.

No. 2229192

>>2229189
What even is the point of having a DAD account if you arent going to commit to the grind. Seriously, it seems like a you problem because dad has tons of fujos and yumes and none have ever had problems besides you.

No. 2229199

>>2229192
I don’t really care about arguing this point anymore; I’m now more interested in asking where these plethora of fujos and yumes are, given that I never seem to see them on the browsing page? I’d appreciate seeing more women on there, but all I ever see is heap after heap of waifu slop.

No. 2229250

>>2228562
If you have a university account start abusing the interlibrary loan feature. Some artists have books written about them that were published by art galleries or journals, and you can use libraries to find borrowable copies. Yale University Art Gallery and NMAI have fairly large collections of American illustration art, the NMAI site has a big artist list if you just want to use it as reference to look up the illustrators
https://americanillustration.org/artists/

For example it lists Edwin Austin Abbey, while NMAI doesn't have a link for his works his wife donated nearly all of his art to the Yale Univeristy Art Gallery, so if you go on YUAG's website or Artvee you can browse his work. I used my library to find a book written about him but unfortunately there was only one major publication about his art (and the book Yale just published for their current exhibit).

I'd also suggest downloading/looking at the Watson Guptill book Drawing With Pen and Ink and the Famous Artist's Course because they both have a lot of illustrations cited to artists who were popular during the time period these books were published.

No. 2229262

>>2229199
Here are some that i know of because they have huge streaks
https://dad.gallery/users/2806
https://dad.gallery/users/4274
https://dad.gallery/users/5270
there are also a lot of women on the site, like that one that draws clowns, the horse autist and apricot are some that i follow.

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>>2226912
I have a website I've had favorites for years to do stuff like this, I think I got it from old Twitter tho.
It's a bit rudimentary now becuase it doesn't let you pick the colors it turns into but it's a nice start for using normal images as a base for pixel art.
https://app.monopro.org/pixel/
Original image is an ai one from the /m/ thread
>>>/m/416295

No. 2229643

Who are your favourite art youtubers? I would like some recommendations, preferably female ones. I can't stand male artists with even a hint of coomer in their art.

No. 2229817

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Nonnas I'm going crazy, I don't know if I'm looking at AI slop or not. Here's the cover for a single by the band The Rasmus, the girl behind the artwork uploaded a video that's supposed to show the process except it's not showing much? She's la___aura on IG, I don't know how to upload her newest reel here forgive me

No. 2229822

>>2229817
it looks like it's merged with or painted over a photo

No. 2229915

Are male students in art classes way more gatekeeping? I thought it was just me at first but today I noticed them killing any attempt at discussion with another female classmate, but then they'll talk about Gurney and Loomis or manga with each other constantly

No. 2230475

>>2229915
That's called lack of experience with women. i.e. no game.

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>>2229817
I thought it had to be AI because of the strange looking hair but looking closer it really doesn't have as much noise or randomness as generated images. Looks like she's just another one of those artists that relies heavily on photo reference to get good results. Her anime fanart looks so funny kek the detailed faces with freestyled hair are so silly

No. 2230692

>>2229643
Manga materials, but twitter trannies bullied her so she doesnt upload as much anymore

No. 2230846

>>2230692
Would you happen to have the big folder of all her guides or know where I could download it? I had it up until my ipad was stolen and I don't think I had it saved anywhere else.

No. 2230986

I joined the local comic/manga group (all women) and am reading through the others works, at first it seemed pretty cool but I very quickly noticed a pattern: it's all gay. I know the artists are all straight. It's all just so performative and predictable, but they all act like it's revolutionary and it's a big plot twist that the love interest is the same sex as them. It's like they're stuck in a 2010s tumblr post permanently. So at the same time there hasn't been even a single straight love interest. Like I said these are straight women so you'd expect them to write something from their own experience once in a while, but no. It's just kinda odd.

No. 2230992

>>2230986
yaoi or yuri? if yaoi, based

No. 2231182

>>2230992
>if yaoi, based
retard

No. 2231183

>>2230992
Curiously, always yuri. I know several of them read yaoi though since they're open about it. I think because they're all straight they kinda subconsciously see gay women as inherently unsexual beings, so making them gay is just this cute little quirk that also gives them wokeness points as artists. Yaoi is (at least for the ones who read it) their hot steamy porn, and they don't want to draw/post porn. And I think it's the same with straight pairings, that's too "real" and personal to them.

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Wtf is this RCDart-ified fnaf shit on my pinterest feed

No. 2231250

>>2231240
Kek this is funny as fuck tho

No. 2231342

>>2231183
How do you know they are straight

No. 2231370

Does anyone else have trouble with stamina when it comes to drawing? Admittedly I do grip the pen/stylus pretty hard when I draw (I’m trying to ease up), but it seems like I just can’t go long without my wrist starting to ache.

No. 2231488

>>2230633
To me this look like avatars from second life with a paintover and a shit ton of filters and color corrections. The rope the guy is wearing looks made by an amateur comparing it to the face and vice versa. Not AI but also not a digital drawing in it entirety

No. 2231562

I forgot what Kooleen's art looks like until someone reminded me of her art roasts and can someone remind me why we let this person dig into beginners completely unchecked? There's not a single piece of hers I can find that doesn't look awkward or stiff or with anatomy that is low intermediate tier. The only thing that saves is that she colors like a Korean webtoon and draws those unnatural k-pop faces. She doesn't usually draw below the torso or a face looking directly at the viewer for a reason: because every time she does it looks like complete ass, and because she focuses on what she's comfortable with, she never improves. So why do we let this person guide beginners in the cruelest possible way? I'm not saying this in a "let's go attack her lolololol personal army time kek" type of way, I'm just actually confused how she got here. Is it a creepshow art situation where people just like watching people be mean because they're too scared to be?

No. 2231570

>>2231562
Those begginers asked her to rip on their art though. Some people just want to draw in that korean plastic style, i dont understand why kooleen gets so much hate when other artists like ethan becker did the whole smug art roast thing before and they never got cancelled over it.

No. 2231584

>>2231570
They asked her to but I watched one of them once and was immediately turned off from her because of how much joy she seemed to take tearing into complete beginners. It's not the concept itself but rather how it's executed that feels gross to me. This is a girl who barely knows how to draw herself marketing her making fun of people slightly below her in skill level as content, it comes off as a mean girl subtly degrading you in ways that make you look like the asshole if you point it out. I've never seen Ethan Becker's art roasts because I generally don't like that type of content but looking up his portfolio, I feel he's far more qualified to guide people as his work feels effortlessly diverse, he knows enough anatomy and perspective to draw multiple poses and people interacting with one another without it looking awkward.

No. 2231593

>>2231584
You are taking it way too seriously when its literally just annoying zoomer catty humor stolen from drag queens.

No. 2231599

>>2231593
"You're taking it too seriously" is how these mean girls get excused too kek you can be funny without being mean to people.

No. 2231604

>>2231570
>ethan becker
Unrelated but I hate him so much its unreal

No. 2231605

>>2231599
Not everyone is a sensitive pansy. What she does is clearly humorous and not meant to be taken in a hard way, her fanbase is fellow zoomies who are into that kind of humor. If her fans are willingly submitting their art knowing her type of humor/persona then i dont understand why get mad at it? you knew what you were getting into.

No. 2231606

>>2228910
I honestly agree with you otherwise regarding everything you said about this shit Voltron-Arcane style but calling them "Loomisfags" is mental illness.

No. 2231610

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>>2231604
nta but same. I am glad he stopped giving ''advice''. He's such a degen coomer, all he draws is fetishized black women in that trashy fauxnime style. Nasty faggot.

No. 2231614

>>2231610
I wish coomers would understand that "perspective" is not an excuse to draw little T-rex arms kek

No. 2231615

>>2231570
NTA but I also feel a similar problem with Coleen as the other nonna. I don't care about it in an ethical sense because yeah, those people ask to be put in the vids, but I'm assuming a lot of them would like the roast to have some actual critique under it. Those roast videos are annoying to me because they're always really random with which works get actual advice vs Koleen just saying ew no vs her just saying a random meme that doesn't even really tell you how she evaluates the quality of it. Koleen's mean girl thing feels more annoying than an actively nasty, and she clearly exaggerates for fun.

>>2231562
Her art being mediocre doesn't matter because her target audience is mostly 14 begginers, so she still has an audience that thinks she's good enough to give advice (because she is better than them). People with barely passable art making (poor) art tutorials has been a thing since forever.

No. 2231616

>>2231610
I will never forget his attention whoring spergout

No. 2231617

>>2231605
I'm not mad, the vibes are just rancid and I'm confused why she has a platform. She never improves because she only draws the same thing over and over and never goes out of her comfort zone, yet she digs into these people barely below her or even sometimes they're just straight up better than her. That's what comes off as weird to me, you put no effort into improving so why are you going about helping others this way? She seems incredibly unpleasant, but if they're there because they just love cruelty then that makes more sense.

No. 2231622

>>2231584
I watched some of her videos before the gorilla incident, and she wasn't always as heavy handed with the criticism or conceited persona. After the callout she doubled down on her bitchiness. Probably to both lean into it for views, since some people enjoy that content but also as a middle finger for the haters that hatewatch her shit and get angry the more she lays into that persona. Not defending her actions but she was somewhat more tolerable before all that shit.

No. 2231627

>>2231616
He definitely lurks here too. Remember the shitty doodle he posted in the bad art thread to larp as a farmer kekk

No. 2231630

>>2231617
She is incredibly unpleasant and sucks ass at drawing but I don't think her audience watches her for her actual skill, they watch her solely for her art-themed zoomer comedy. You have to realize Kooleen is not an artist she is a comedian telling jokes anyone over 17 years old will hate anyway

No. 2231631

I finally got an ipad nonnas, I'm so happy! I really needed something mobile that I could take with me and that could allow drawing comfortably while not at a desk.
I bought procreate and I'm currently testing it. While I like it CSP is still the real winner , everything is so smooth and the stabilization of the brushes is great. Testing out so many brushes atm because I want to create that really good lineart I see some these artists do so if you have any tips and tricks (or any brush recs), I would be very grateful.
I've seen a lot of people recommend vector layers for lineart, is this the way to go?

No. 2231633

>>2231627
>>2231616
Why is it always the most mediocre scrotes who are so obsessed with themselves kek

No. 2231643

>>2231627
KEK yes and the way he was whiteknighting himself. Pepperidge farm remembers.

No. 2231644

>>2231627
which thread was it?

No. 2231652

>>2231617
Belive me, zoomers dont take offense to her form of criticism because they are all irony poisoned. Irony poisoned memey criticsm is the only form of criticism they will take, if you actually tried to tell them to pick vilppu or some shit they would throw an spergout for sure. Good for her that she can make money off retarded zoomies, there is people with worse art that make more money than her(every male coomer).

No. 2231660

>>2231627
nonny PLEASE i need to see the post

No. 2231663


No. 2231664

>>2231663
why didnt shaymin reveal his post history? he literally broke all the rules creepshow did

No. 2231702

>>2231370
Hows your pressure sensitivity? Maybe its too strong and making you press down too hard.

No. 2231707

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>>2231627
kek he white knighted himself too what a sperg

No. 2231731

>>2231707
>Immediately after he's posted there are anons whining about how everyone is sooo mean to men for their hideous coomer scrawl
Very subtle and not at all assmad of him kek

No. 2231732

>>2229817
>>2230633
It's a professional artist who has written learn to draw books and has done work for prolific clients for years, I doubt it's AI. She's just one of those people who photobash 3D models.

No. 2231862

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>>2231732
She even sell her brushes and 3d models for Procreate and Photoshop. She always had this style even before AI became a problem.

No. 2232028

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>>2231707
His posting style stuck out so badly too. Him complaining about "sex negative rhetoric" and "w-what if a woman of color drew this?!" and whatever coomer copium nonsense gave me a kek. Like how are you so thin-skinned?

No. 2232052

>>2231707
I had to stare at this abomination way too long to even understand what the fuck I was looking at.

No. 2232473

>>2232028
>woman of color
>meanwhile nonnas here say the n word constantly without anyone batting an eye
It's so obvious his knowledge of women's minds just extends to "they're so sensitiivvveeeee!"

No. 2232534

How do some artists have clearly defined aesthetics and styles they can stick to? There's so many beautiful things I'm inspired by that I can't get good at anything.

No. 2232790

>>2232473
t. trying to trick retard newfag edgynons into getting themselves a racebait/go back to /pol/ redtext

No. 2232937

>>2231562
imo I feel like Kooleen is just filling the void the deviantart critiques have left. Remember how shit Spoctor, DeviantartCringe, and Solar Sands' art was/still is? I feel like it's a rite of passage for a digital artist to feel like shit over the opinions of someone who could barely draw a cube in mspaint. Or artists in general, I remember the 2009 Francis Bacon critique by that molerat of a geriatric scrote from the New Yorker and I seethe, but that's just how it goes. I think mean criticism (I mean Kooleen doesn't call experincing two loved one's suicides faux angst or anything of the sort so she has a ways to go) is symbiotic to the current art culture, especially post Contemporary where the critic and curator is more important than the artist or even the artwork, but that's a whole different discussion that I won't get into unless anons are interested.

No. 2233006

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Can any anon with a moderate to large following give some advice on how to grow? I make art dolls and felt art and my instagram account has been inactive for about a year and some. I am only just getting back into it, I have a little over 800 followers, but my most recent post only has 5 likes after 14 hours. Instagram has changed a lot since I last used it, when you search you can't sort by newest post anymore, which is how I used to find other small accounts to interact with and boost each other. Is instagram even still the way to go? Should I start using tiktok for my dolls? Any resources you could offer on how to optimize my posting and my content would be so helpful, I feel totally overwhelmed when I just search this stuff online I would rather just get some advice from an actual human being in the space.

No. 2233065

>>2233006
Check how artists in your niche do it and what kind of numbers they are getting in return to get an idea of what works. But no matter the niche you've got to make interesting posts that people want to see, especially if you want to reach a wider audience. Sometimes still images of beautiful things get attention if they are good enough, but more often than not it's relatable things or the process of making something that gets people, especially if it's a video.

No. 2233067

>>2232534
What kind of question is that kek obviously those people have simply found the things they want to focus on.

No. 2233213

>>2233067
So what, they're only interested in one specific look? I want to paint beautiful impressionist oil paintings, wacky bold cartoons, adorable children's illustrations, logos and graphics and more. I can't combine it all. Does a "kawaii doodles" artist just surpress the urge to draw horror illustrations? Sure you CAN try to do it all, but I can't get good at anything then. So what do I do? How do I find it when everything is so cool? It's like going to a cake shop and most people have a favorite flavor but I'm overwhelmed with all the delicious choices that I leave.

No. 2233215

>>2233213
Think of what you find most captivating about all those art styles and combine them together.

No. 2233221

Other nonas who do commissions, what do you make and broadly what's your style?

I do kawaii style anime emotes and they pay surprisingly well considering making them is really quick

No. 2233223

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>>2233213
Just draw, draw whatever you want and dont let ''muh style'' limit you. These two are drawn by the same person.

No. 2233225

>>2233006
I'm not that big either tbf, but often quantity helps a lot on social media. Since that's hard without losing quality it helps to take your old art to edit it and do reposts. Like switch the colors around for an alt version, draw over it to turn it into a seasonal drawing for halloween, xmas, valentines etc… the older the drawing is the better, as newer followers likely haven't seen it anyway.
When you do an alt version it helps knowing your audience. My girly girl friends will like anything that is pink kek and goth friends love anything black.

Insta has been pretty shit lately tbh I miss the "latest" function too. I hate video formats for art but I'm thinking of switching to tiktok anyway since that's where people are it seems… though I've heard kids are slowly quitting tiktok so maybe a new platform I don't know about is on the rise? It all IS confusing nona, we're all feeling that way!

No. 2233228

>>2233213
I do it all but have separate accounts for where I post it. Nothing ties the accounts together so nobody knows it's all just me kek. My kawaii art just doesn't mix with the horror art I make.

No. 2233527

>>2233213
Yes. Some people just like one type of look. They do something else if they ever change their mind. It doesn't mean you need to do the same. You kind of sound like you haven't yet figured out that other people aren't just mindless NPCs

No. 2233673

>>2233213
This >>2233223
>Sure you CAN try to do it all, but I can't get good at anything then
Just practice your fundies so you have a solid skill base that allows you to do whatever you want and easily adapt to new things. "Muh style" obcession just makes you pigeonhole yourself into a small confort zone and stagnate.
>Does a "kawaii doodles" artist just surpress the urge to draw horror illustrations?
You don't need to post every single thing you draw. If you see an artist whose account has an extremely consolidated homogenous aesthetic/art style that artist is probably treating their art like a brand and treating it a bit like a social media manager. An artist could post nothing but "kawaii doodles", but have a sketchbook filled with horror art they just draw for fun and don't intent to post. Nobody needs to "surpress" anything

No. 2234042

>>2233006
I wish I could have followed you, on insta. I'm obsessed with artdolls, and followed a ton of creators.

No. 2234337

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I wish I could view my art through the lens of someone who doesn't draw, or even someone who is still learning their fundies. I've improved a lot since 2022, I put a lot of work into learning perspective, learning better anatomy and different styles of rendering, and I actively made the choice to do so when I was trying to draw charms to sell and realized all of it looked like shit. I'm really proud of how far I've come, I hardly experience any genuine frustration or difficulty drawing now, but the trade off is that I can't enjoy other people's art as much anymore because whenever I look at the art of others, all I see are their mistakes. Work I used to view as absolutely godlike now appears awkward to me, there are very few artists I used to hold in high regard that haven't been affected by my brain in this way. This probably comes off as a humble brag, but I'm someone who learned to draw strictly because the medium of anime brought me joy in a life that was dull at best and downright horrific at worst. I wanted to be able to create the things I loved, and now I can, but it's at the cost of my enjoyment of said things being lowered a bit. I still love anime and get that autistic nerdy joy when I do find something that piques my interest, and there are still artists that remain untouched by this development, which continues to motivate me to keep improving to see if I can get on their level but I keep finding myself wishing I could still see my old idol's art in the way I used to, and that thought makes me wonder if anyone views my art the same way I viewed these people's art. Sounds kinda narcissistic but whatever.

No. 2234348

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He only lasted a month from his so called break from social media

No. 2234358

>>2233223
>doing this to Atomic Betty
Great art example and I'll learn from it, but man, fuck coomers.

No. 2234360

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>>2234358
good luck nonny. I used to be worried about having to settle for drawing one single thing forever too, but yoshinari made me realize that style has nothing to do with what you draw. You can clearly tell these 3 drawings are all drawn by the same person even if its different things. I think naturally artists develop their style as they draw.

No. 2234371

>>2233673
>"Muh style" obcession just makes you pigeonhole yourself into a small confort zone and stagnate.
This. Using different stylization keeps your art fresh and you learn different things from all of them, even something seemingly simple like chibi art is pretty difficult to get right and not looking awkward and ugly unless you know your fundies regarding measurements and proportions. Also some artists have multiple different accounts for their different genres of work, it's not that complicated.

No. 2234376

>>2234337
There's so much I could say about this and I don't want to assume anything about you but honestly broaden your horizons.
Think drawing has become dull? Sculpt. Follow sculptors work. Try out mixed medium. Write poems. Try drawing or sculpting while blindfolded. Dabble in pottery. Try other mediums and new things, and bring some color back to your life. I don't think your problem is what you think it is, you're just not looking at art in the right way. Find joy in creating and you could find all sorts of possibilities in the works you think are uninspiring right now. Also just look at drawings and paintings that are out of the ordinary of what you usually look at.

No. 2234406

>>2234358
that's yoko from gurren lagann. although it looks like a crossover with the robots. he must've thought they were similar. i guess robots and red hair? (i never got into either of them)

No. 2234425

>>2234406
yoh yoshinari worked on gurren lagan and is a cartoon autist, its like those nonsensical deviantart crossovers except he can draw

No. 2234432

>>2234337
Find husbando to be obsessed with

No. 2234479

>>2234425
Kind of unrelated but I feel so bitter knowing that Asian artists mimicking western style is seen as cool and subversive but when western artists emulate anime style it's cringe and you can never make it as an illustrator, not in the west nor Japan. I honestly feel like I was nerfed from the start knowing that I can never make it, especially due to being ESL in a small country with no access to bigger studios. That's why I didn't go into art as my day job.

No. 2234485

>>2231707
>toddler face
>giant chubby featureless joints much like in toddler fashion
>toddler height proportions
>no attention to drawing toes and hands
This is the male's most desired sexual form. A toddler-thing that's mostly thighs and ass. No other features are needed or wanted, everything else is static noise to him.

No. 2234593

>>2234479
>you can never make it as an illustrator, not in the west nor Japan.
there are a lot of western animators who work for japan though

No. 2234682

>>2234593
I think animators are more common because they're less visible and they're just drawing One Piece frames day in day out, a job that's already outsourced to other countries. As for illustrations the only ones I've ever heard of tend to have some kind of an Asian-American (or Asian-Canadian) background like Chinese-American, Vietnamese-American and Japanese-American etc. I've always gotten the vibe that a lot of them are nepo babies too and can afford the more prestigious art schools with better industry connections.

No. 2234686

>>2234479
It's only cringe if it looks bad. Cringing is like second-hand embarrassement. People get embarrassed when they put a lot of time and effort into something that sucks so they feel the same when someone else does it.

No. 2234760

>>2234479
There are tons of Westerners who draw in anime style with millions of followers on the internet. I guess it depends on your definition of "making it"?

No. 2234956

>>2234376
It's not that drawing has become dull, I have more fun than ever actually drawing now that I can draw basically anything I want without that feeling of frustration welling up in my chest when something is too difficult for my present level of skill, it's that I'm disappointed I've become unable to enjoy the art of OTHER people as much when I'm a giga anime art autist. The thing that spurred that post on is that I went to go reread the Genshin webtoon as I really adored the way they drew it and I wanted to make a comic similarly drawn to it, in particular I used the facial expressions as a basis when I decided I wanted to begin improving my art, but looking at it with my current eyes just made it look clunky and awkward, in comparison to how much fun I had going through it and wanting that art style to be mine back in 2022.
Not to say I don't want to broaden my horizons though, now that I can draw a lot faster I want to learn animation.

No. 2234967

>>2234479
It's because westerners have more of a focus on individualism than the east does. Anime looks the same because they're all copying each other all of the time, weeaboo anime looks cringe specifically because a lot of people over here get assmad when you reference something, so that western weeaboo style tends to take hold. Not to say the east doesn't take that kind of thing seriously, look up the no game no life tracing incident as proof of that (incidentally, that author is Brazilian iirc?) but a lot of artists in Japan will reference anime screenshots or manga panels in order to get good. I've seen artists who can successfully do this get followed by actual JP artists, it's not that it's cringe, you just need to assimilate, it's what they like.

No. 2235066

>>2234956
I think you should just be patient and give it enough time and you'll eventually return to feeling frustrated and under-skilled in creating art again. This is the neverending cycle. The cycle must always repeat because if it doesn't all that means is you're letting yourself stagnate. As you hone your ability to evaluate better art you'll notice more good things about other art and more shortcomings in your own, therefore you'll be able to find new things to enjoy in new art again. If all else fails go look at rendermaxxing chinese artists on weibo. Good luck nona

No. 2235080

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>>2234479
to be fair thats because the average japanese westaboo puts effort into learning fundamentals while the average weeb thinks drawing taiwanese cartoons doesnt requiere you to learn loomis

No. 2235343

>>2235066
I didn't say I never feel frustrated when drawing, and when I do always push through, I never give up on a drawing under any circumstances or how much I feel I can't do it because I know that's how to improve, I also do see a lot of shortcomings in my own art and I try to address them properly. I just feel a lot less frustrated lately and I'm able to conquer things that make me feel frustrated without too much issue. Idk why you are honing in so hard on trying to give me unsolicited advice when all I said was that I wish I could see art through the lens of someone who can't draw

No. 2235500

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>>2235343
That isnt me. I'm sorry I interpreted your rant as you asking for advice. I wasn't trying to assume anything about you just give you a different perspective. I'm being genuine.

No. 2235651

>>2235343
AYRT that was my reply and I am a different anon but sorry anyways if it was unhelpful to you nona! Like >>2235500 I thought you were asking for our advice. I hope you are able to return to enjoying art soon.

No. 2235675

Does anyone have advice for getting back into drawing after over a decade of not drawing at all? I used to be quite good at it but stopped drawing entirely to focus on my non-art related studies. Now whenever I try to draw anything I just get frustrated because there’s such an enormous gulf between the image in my head and the lines on the paper. It’s like my hand and brain are out of sync and instead of my husbando I keep drawing some potato in a tie.
Obviously the solution is to practice, but are there any exercises or something you’d recommend?

No. 2235744

>>2234686
>It's only cringe if it looks bad.
This. While there are still a lot of shit western artists around you can find tons in the game industry or Euro countries that are competent at asian style art

>>2233213
I've noticed at the uni I transferred to that the art instructors heavily encourage having ONE specific focus/art aesthetic because people will seek out your work if that's what they want. It contradicts what I was taught at my previous school of needing to know how to do a variety of methods

No. 2235922

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>>2235675
Go big. Go really big. Think of a large scale piece you want to make. Your end goal. Then break it down into little steps. In order to achieve this piece, what are the building blocks you need to learn? A specific body type? The texture of a certain fabric? A skin colour under particular lighting? Ask yourself these questions and practice each little part individually, which should take you 1-2 hours each to master. At the end, pull all of your knowledge together and go for the actual piece. I find this the best way of getting myself back into practice when I’ve been out of art juice for a while: because it’s hard to regain a sense of direction and purpose after a break, just assign yourself a piece to make and work backwards. You’ll regain your confidence incredibly fast after seeing the final image, which will motivate you to hop onto the next project and so forth.

No. 2235940

>>2234337
thanks for letting us know

No. 2235944

>>2229262
outoffearshot isn't a woman, he's complained about "fujoshitters" before. specifically during the whole arloc drama.

No. 2236005

>>2234348
does anyone have an archive of his detailed callout post? it's been removed from twitter. https://x.com/endine112/status/1831513908336848999

No. 2236096

>>2236005
https://archive.ph/PIBpH heres a archive but it seems most of the callout archives have been taken down

No. 2236100

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I remember how the artist had a meltdown over people liking the blonde one but I thought she ended up deleting the character from the story iirc.

No. 2236119

>>2236100
Doesn’t seem like there’s much of a story or continuity in fairness

No. 2236130

>>2235944
>>2236100
Can I get pics of both of these meltdowns?

No. 2236142

>>2235675
Single line drawing. Look at an image, put a pencil on the paper, draw what you see without taking the pencil off. It's going to look messy no matter what, don't worry about that.
Pick 2 colors and 1 brush and paint something. Don't get lost in the details, block out the dark and mid tones, look at the composition and perspective.
Draw a bunch of Loomis heads. Attach bodies, or at least necks and shoulders, to the heads.

No. 2236158

>>2236130
It should be in previous threads, I think you can find it if you search artist salt threads on google by adding her instagram name. I don’t remember if there was a pic of her meltdown specifically but I do remember there being pics of comments replying why they liked the blonde girl better in response to her question, calling the main girl bland iirc.

No. 2236282

>>2236100
I'm just surprised she's finally drawing lesbian art. She just posted a drawing earlier today of the other tif "Alex" as a ""trans woman" (aka drawing them both as women and kissing) and she's deleted that one lol

No. 2236350

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>>2236282
This one? It’s still up. https://x.com/thebrujoari/status/1852749276733964412
(I hate the way this artist draws girls’ bodies so much kek, why does the female version have to have her buttcrack showing)

No. 2236367

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>>2236282
It’s for the fans apparently.

No. 2236375

>>2236367
Kek is Mary based on someone who bullied her in school or something

No. 2236386

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>>2236375
It could be but it might be that she's still annoyed about people liking Mary over Kate idk. I wonder if she listened to the criticism from her instagram followers, this recent art is referencing a scene from Lilo and Stitch but maybe she’s actually portraying Kate as a loser this time.

>>2236130
It’s this thread >>>/ot/1956335 I got picrel from there

No. 2236936

>>2236367
>>2236100
Kate and Mary actually look super cute together. Better than the dark haired dude with kate.

No. 2237133

>>2234337
This is normal as you improve, I've thrown away old posters and artwork I used to love because I could see all the mistakes in them. You can look forward to understanding timeless masterpieces with more depth as you continue improving though, so there's that.

No. 2237154

Anyone got any advice for picking out colour palettes and colouring art? Colours have always been a weakness of mine as they tend to look muddy and unappealing (worse so if its on different monitor settings) Ive been evading the problem by colouring in monochrome but its about time I actually dealt with the problem first hand instead of just avoiding it.

No. 2237225

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>>2237154
Get iniros color pdfs

No. 2237229

>>2237225
>BUY HERE
….any piracy links or should I just cough up the money

No. 2237246

>>2237154
I switched from the usual circle/square picker to the RGB slider and it's helping a lot, specially when making color gradients and choosing colors with the same tint. It takes a bit to get used to and sometimes I use the circle when I want to get the same color but darker, but I'd say it's worth it.
Also you can simply save work tou enjoy and color-pick its palette including how they shade X color and such. People are so autistic about it, but no one owns color palettes kek. You can color pick from the old masters as well if you don't want to use internet people's art.

No. 2237248

>>2236936
Apparently it really annoys Bruno when people say that lol

No. 2237249

>>2235944
You are dumb if you think its a man. No man draws cutesy slash yaoi. Its a tif.

No. 2237263

>>2234337
There's so much more to art than just technical skill level. How a piece makes you feel and your personal attachment is important too. Over the years I've improved and even surpassed some of my old art idols like you, but just because I've come to see the mistakes in their work doesn't mean it's bad or no longer has value to me, in fact I find it quite inspiring to see "imperfect" art so beloved. It sounds more like you need to shift your attitude a bit in order to appreciate art again. Really take a step back and ask yourself why is it that you're judging everything so harshly. Your competitive spirit is great, but it shouldn't sour your enjoyment of other's art. Maybe try to look at different types of art that you wouldn't normally look at and who knows, you might end up enjoying it and discovering a new type of art you appreciate.

No. 2237360

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Has anyone noticed the sudden boom in huge watermarks on the JP side in the past ~3 days? From people using them, to posting free designs and even opening comisions for custom watermarks.
I wonder if they made them in response to Twitter's new AI rules that will be implemented next week. I feel japanese people in general are too naive, as if that would stop AI scrapers or reposters.
The other day I saw someone genuely asking "Why would someone repost the art [to sites like Dambooru] when the artist said it's forbiden? That's illegal/mean", but I'm glad at least their watermarks are so pretty kek. I wish people could respect artists more though.

I also saw some of them start posting on this site named Xfolio (not related to Twitter despite the name) but it's hard-ish to navigate and "only" for complete works as it's aimed to be a porfolio and indie marketplace, kind of like Pixiv+Booth. I wonder if/where those artists will move to, I hope they still use Popiku at least for doodles and such.

No. 2237368

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the ai image thread genuinely makes me depressed, like it was funny when there were just poorly drawn anime boys, but picrel look like they could be drawn by real talented people

No. 2237385

>>2237360
>I wonder if they made them in response to Twitter's new AI rules that will be implemented next week.
That's exactly why, I've seen a lot of Japanese artists saying this.

>I feel japanese people in general are too naive, as if that would stop AI scrapers or reposters.

Some of them openly said they'll stop posting art altogether without removing their previous posts/drawings on twitter or will keep posting as usual because they know they can't stop reposters or AI anyway so why bother. But the majority seems to be very naive when it comes to how reposters work, you're right.

No. 2237395

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Coming from the bad art thread where someone mentioned a vtuber who traces 3D models inspired me to come here and ask everyone what you think about using them in your workflow?

I've noticed a lot of professionals use them too, but they tend to just use a mostly featureless model to compose a scene and then loosely sketch over it for the base before then drawing over that on another layer. This is what I've been doing and my art certainly does look better now than it used to, but I'll be honest I feel like my raw skill degraded in hand, where I'm worse at constructing a figure from scratch. This is mostly a holdover from when my PC used to be so crap that when I'd make a bruish stroke it would delay by a couple seconds, so back then it was the only way to get an accurate body because I had a template/point of reference, but now I'll admit it may be more like a crutch I'm used to.

Another anon mentioned in the bad art thread that it's like sugary treats or something, and once artists try them they can't stop using them. I definitely relate to that sentiment. I love pumping out multiple pieces at once then working on them whenever it strikes me, so this has definitely made that part much much easier and has made it hard for me to quit them. I suppose if I feel like it's stifling me I should start using them as more of a reference on a seperate canvas rather than a layer with low opacity, but I'd be lying if the speed the latter grants me wasn't an appealing vice.

No. 2237400

>>2237229
Go to the artbook thread on ic, all the pdfs are there

No. 2237406

>>2237395
They are useful tools and a wonderful alternative to digging through mountains of images to get that one perfect ref (that someone else might have already used anyway). But I always think it's kind of funny and pathetic when you can clearly tell which pieces were traced over a model and which ones weren't.

No. 2237407

>>2237395
I don't have any specific advice on using 3D models since I've never done it myself, but I wanted to warn you not to overuse them. I used to have a friend who started using 3D models, now uses them all the time and his drawings look so stiff and soulless. I can understand wanting your anatomy to be accurate but when that comes at the cost of your drawing looking worse then I feel like that's missing the point. Drawings don't need to be a 1-1 representation of a 3D scene all the time, I personally would rather look at a drawing that is slightly inaccurate but dynamic than a drawing that is perfect on a technical level but soulless and boring to look at.

No. 2237409

>>2237385
Yeah I feel they're 0 or 100 sometimes, they either over-rely on people's kindness to be normal or delete their entire gallery/account the second they get something they dislike.
I follow this one KR artist whose art keeps getting reposted over twitter (as kind of reaction image, but moreso just for attention ie "I love this ship [drawing of the ship]" when talking to someone) and she just goes "Please don't repost my art, I never delete anything so enjoy it from my gallery :)" and that's sweet but I feel so bad for her.

On my side, I mostly got people privating their accounts and returning to post art on Pixiv logs and/or moving to Blusky (surprised this plataform move is actually kind of working).

>>2237395
Honestly? You do what you do. I think tracing them too much (like that girl from the bad art thread you mentioned) is lazy, but if all you want is to make art for fun without caring on actually learning, it's fine. Tracing and referencing from real-life poses instead of models is better though, you have a hight change the pose will look stiff or unatural with the later.
If you want to actually learn to draw, it's better to use them as little as posible, as you mentioned professional artists use them for cruch since they need to pop out so many commissions and profesional work in little time.

No. 2237410

>>2237395
I feel like it would take longer to set up the models each time than it would to just sketch out the figures.

No. 2237428

>>2237395
I use models of my characters to block out difficult compositions or angles, especially if I can't be bothered just hashing it out on my own (sometimes you want a quick-yet-overzealous mech pose, y'know?). I also use physical models and maquettes for reference, and it's basically the same thing, especially if I take a photo of it to use as a main ref kek. I don't think there's any harm in it, but yeah I would suggest using 3D models more as a reference image than drawing over the top of them, then do a pass with the ref under your work to check for accuracy if you absolutely must.

imo one of the problems with using 3D models, especially of organic elements like a human figure, is that many artists don't know how to exaggerate and 'break' a model to fit their needs, so it can look flat and stiff in a way that it wouldn't if you got, say, someone familiar with animation or 3D character art to pose it. You also shouldn't use 3D for poses like your picrel, for example, just look up photo reference instead (or better yet, take a photo of yourself in the pose you're after– once you know anatomy and forms well enough, you can use any body in a pose without issue)

No. 2237507

are there any news on dollightful? she usually does a OOAK doll for halloween every year, i was looking forward to it

No. 2237538

>>2237368
Tbh I'm very cautious about recommending artist inspirations when the topic comes up here because of that thread.

No. 2237566

>>2237360
Even their watermarks look so good, kek.

>>2229262
>of fujofag
What the fuck, they label you if you're not a moid? I saw the name of the site but never actually took a look before. What does "of" mean here? Also these three artists are so good.

>>2236096
I didn't even know it was possible to take down archives like that.

No. 2237637

>>2237507
Last I heard she was pregnant again and taking another long hiatus.

No. 2237646

>>2237395
They definitely become a crutch for a lot of people but that's why you should stick to using them for composition if you're going to use them. The art I've seen in here that's been confirmed to use models looks very stiff and blocky, even if the artist is technically skilled in other ways.
Plus the models while showing form, can't properly express the way the body flexes because it's not a human body. If if you feel like you're becoming too dependent on them, you could get someone to help you take pictures of yourself modeling poses or get them to do it for you and work off of that. You'll be capturing real human forms and you'll have to work around simplifying it for your art. It could actually work as a learning exercise.

No. 2237688

>>2237566
Its just the name of the DAD houses it changes every month

No. 2237694

>>2237368
ai art is great, you can visually represent ideas you previously wouldn't be able to. it's good for niche cases, like creating d&d tokens or just having the computer generate something cool to look at. if it depresses you maybe you didn't care enough about your craft to start with/have no actual ideas that a machine can't generate in ten seconds

No. 2237723

>>2237688
Oh ok. Sounds interesting.

No. 2237761

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>>2237694
NTAYRT but what is your point AIshill?

No. 2237791

I know it's nothing new but it truly annoys me how many bad art tutorials there are on youtube. I don't know where these people find the arrogance to think they're good enough to teach others when they're still begs.

No. 2237868

Twisted Disaster chan and I've actually been thinking about getting into the con circuit but I stumbled upon this video by DevinatArt fodder TD and she made this video saying how the con scene is not good anymore. Part of me is a little skeptical because the quality of her art was never all that great to begin with and even though she would always feel the need to let viewers know that whenever she does bad at cons in terms of sales, "every" other artist is doing just as bad which I have to wonder how true this is because again, her style is very middle of the road.

To any convention merch artists, is what she true? Has cons really become not al lthat worth to work anymore for the reasons she highlighted? I can see the validity in the drop shippers and AI art being able to slip through the cracks but is it really this bad overall?

No. 2238062

>>2236100
She's spineless and loves to pander so I'm not surprised. I prefer this ship though. She constantly has meltdowns about how her work is perceived and will flake if she feels pressure.

No. 2238064

>>2236367
Nobody is obliging her to draw this, just like how she folded over Kate being referred to as "she/her" when she finally returned to twitter. God she is so spineless.

No. 2238117

>>2236386
Am I tweaking or did the redhead start off as a genderswap of an anime character? Am I thinking of another artist or did they retrofit her into an OC after leaving the fandom?

No. 2238190

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>>2238117
They're a tif version of Kakyoin from JJBA

No. 2238279

>>2237868
Depends on what you want to get out of cons. Cons in small cities/towns are still pretty fun/good, you might not make much money but also the tables don't cost a lot either and people are friendlier.
If you want to go into big ones, then that's where the problem is. Tons of nepotism, angry people, competitiveness, super-high table prices etc Unless you're a known artist it isn't really worth to go there as a seller.
And yeah there's tons of people selling AI and Aliexpress crap, but that has always happened tbh. Again, I tend to see less of these in smaller cons.

No. 2238336

>>2238117
That redhead and her black-haired boyfriend started out as an extremely ukefied Kakyoin and Jotaro.

No. 2238341

>>2237694
the fun of drawing is coming up with ideas, why let a soulless machine do it for you. No wonder everything on that shit thread is ugly as boring.

No. 2238344

>>2237368
Everyone who uses ai is a giga pickme, it's already been proven that the LLMs have CP in them because of the scrapping methods they used. They are filling the pockets of moids that dont care AI is being used to make cp and deepfakes of women.

No. 2238403

>>2238341
"cool images" and DND tokens take that anon's fancy, I don't think they care a pinkie about actual art.

No. 2238411

>>2237791
Can't speak for others, but I'm mediocre at best and my friends and family still beg me to teach them how to draw and paint. Even though those videos may not be helpful to you it's possible they're helpful to beginners who just need some friendly realistic (for their level) pointers.

No. 2238421

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>>2237868
>Twisted Disaster
I looked her up and she's a they/them who sells trans flag pins and half of her inventory is literally just plastic key chains. Like yeah no shit she's doing bad then lmao
A few of the items may be nice but they're impossible to spot because of all the clutter. She doesn't even know how to make a nice display.

The quality of the art at cons is naturally going to vary a lot from con to con. If you're just starting out there's no point in going to the biggest cons anyway, and the smaller cons tend to be managed better in regards of AI and dropship sellers. I think what happened is that most other artists stepped up their game and this person failed to keep up, so no she's salty and looking for excuses to why she's doing bad.

No. 2238438

Just saw some retards trying to cancel Leyendecker's work because he drew racial stereotypes in some of his work for The Saturday Evening Post. Which must mean he was totally a hateful meanie racist and not that he was forced by TSEP's team because of the company's policies regarding how black people should be portrayed in media. And apparently now that makes all of his work irrelevant regardless of his skill.

Twittertards are poison.

No. 2238439

>>2237368
I always hide that thread. I will never be okay with anyone trying to justify Ai art. It's talentless and vile.

No. 2238442

>>2238421
I miss when artist alleys used to have good art without gender politics.

No. 2238470

>>2238442
There are still tons of good artists without retarded gender things for sale, you just have to be patient and look at every stall.

No. 2238527

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>>2238438
I read that one semi-biographical Leyendecker book cover to cover and it was actually noted that he made an effort to convey African Americans with a level of dignity not commonly seen at the time. Sure, they’re put in objectively subservient roles, but that’s literally what black people were boxed into back then. It’s within these discriminatory boundaries that he adds a touch of humanity. Not worth sucking his dick over it or anything but to say his depictions were Racist with a capital R conveys a staggering level of ignorance to the relevant context. I’m black and I really like how he paints black people, if that counts for anything.

No. 2238537

>>2238527
How did he paint other races?

No. 2238563

>>2238438
Damn you can be a closeted fag in a very homophobic time and twitter will still label you as a bigot

No. 2238570

>>2238537
that's not the issue. one of the main things is that the magazine he most commonly worked for (the saturday evening post) had strict rules stating that black people and other minority groups had to be portrayed in service roles. it was an extremely conservative magazine. in one of his biographies leyendecker even states that within the rules stated by the magazine he tried to portray black people as dignified as possible, which considering the time period (late 1890's-1900's) is something most big white american artists weren't willing to do. he drew them as respectfully as he possibly could considering his circumstances.

i'm not saying leyendecker is a saint, but calling him racist is extremely ignorant of the person he was, his values and the time period he lived in.

No. 2238574

are twitterfags really trying to apply 2024 racial ideology on an artist from the usa two fucking centuries ago

No. 2238575

>>2238570
I'm not trying to argue, it was a legit question because you seem versed in his art and I'm not

No. 2238585

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>>2238575
sorry! my response came off as more aggressive then i expected, that wasn't my intention. leyendecker's depictions of black people were as i stated, in service roles. so yes, they weren't portrayed as the sharp sleek white men in fancy suits or swanlike demure white socialite ladies you can see in some of his work, most usually they were portrayed in a domestic/"humble" environment (such as >>2238527 or pic attached). i can't seem to find anything but i also have memories of one his works showcasing a native american man on a horse, wearing traditional garb and all.

so, compared to his many works depicting white people, his work containing black people and native americans does showcase them in a less favorable light. but honestly in my view it doesn't show them in any way that feels aggressive or offensive. if anything it feels like that rather than diminish those minorities, leyendecker simply elevated his white characters because they were the target audience of his magazine. his art of black people and natives looks honestly just natural, their skintones are painted very competently and looks warm and well rendered, they're given mostly delightful, jolly and relaxed expressions (or in cases such as the native american man on a horse, pensive and dignified). they don't look like aggressive caricatures meant to offend, they just look like people. they don't look like leyendecker's peak fancy white man soldier in sharp suit (who's almost a pinup in my eyes), they just look like people working.

sorry for the long sperg!

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(same as >>2238585)

the picture i mentioned, also.

No. 2238594

>>2238588
I love this painting so much.

No. 2238605

Maybe I missed it but I don't think this video was discussed before. It ended up in my algorithm for weeks and when I finally gave it a try I was really bothered by it. Nothing in the examples giving is even close to what a pyramid scheme is, and Morgan comes off as the kind of person that gets really really upset that people prefer fanart over their original donut steel OC. That's the feeling I couldn't help but compare it to. In what world is someone showing how to use streaming assets and also saying hey I sell assets, a pyramid scheme? By that logic any advertising is a pyramid scheme.

No. 2238672

>>2238605
Kelsey made a very sensible response. You might not like her art or her videos but calling her courses, which are a one and done purchase a pyramid scheme is plain slander. Every video this dude posts is whiny

No. 2238686

>>2238585
>>2238588
Nonna don't worry for 'sperging', thanks for answering my question

No. 2238710

>>2237385
>will keep posting as usual because they know they can't stop reposters or AI anyway so why bother
yeah this is my mindset as well. like, nothing is stopping someone from taking your art from bluesky and reposting it on twitter or instagram or a booru. if you have any reasonable following, you already have to assume your art has already been fed into an ai-machine no matter where you post it.
>>2237791
i think the only truly annoying thing i find is the clickbait thumbnails that's basically aspiration porn, usually titled something like "THIS TECHNIQUE SAVED ME" in the thumbnail in huge impact font and you click on it and it's just loomis-head.
>>2238585
>they just look like people
yeah that was my first thought when i scrolled past >>2238527. twittards are dumb, news at 11

No. 2238745

>>2238585
>they're given mostly delightful, jolly and relaxed expressions
What! A black person before the Civil Rights Moment depicted as happy or kind?! That's racist according to everyone who claims Song of the South is a racist movie.

No. 2238783

>>2238710
>if you have any reasonable following, you already have to assume your art has already been fed into an ai-machine no matter where you post it
I checked my username in a couple different ais when they were early enough to not be censored yet and I didn't get anything that looked like my art.
It was a humbling experience.

No. 2238807

>>2238585
>they don't look like leyendecker's peak fancy white man soldier in sharp suit (who's almost a pinup in my eyes), they just look like people working

This is what Twittertards don't understand. They're so used to (and obsessed with) Leyendecker's almost pinup-like white men and women, always posed and dressed like models, that when someone else is portrayed as a regular person performing some mundane task suddenly they're seen as "inferior". I love Leyendecker's work but I much prefer his paintings where people are people and not the perfect-looking military man with gelled hair and a proud, almost heroic aura or like you said, the swanlike women with beautiful actress-tier smiles and half lidded eyes. I love the exaggerated expressions and poses, his paintings of black people look ten times more alive and captivating than the rigid white men and women.

No. 2238810

>>2238783
Nona I've had a long and tiring day and the thought of you deliberately searching this plus imagining your disappointed expression made me burst out laughing on the train for some reason

No. 2238813

>>2238807
Okay let’s not play dumb though, he was required by his editors to portray black people in subservient roles. We have written evidence of this. What we’re saying is that he somehow managed to do so as respectfully as he could within those boundaries.

No. 2238832

>>2238813
Yeah we know that, >>2238570 stated that same thing in how the magazine had strict rules and demanded black people to always be shown in subservient roles so it's not like Leyendecker had an option to do otherwise. Where I'm trying to get is that his depictions look anything but racist, the characters look alive, natural and dynamic despite being clearly in an inferior status to the white ones, to the point where to me they end up much more eyecatching than the white characters meant to look superior and "more beautiful". Leyendecker could've drawn all of them as miserable, clumsy, stupid-looking goblins sompared to their white masters but instead he chose to give them whatever charm he could get despite his restructions and instead of celebrating and embracing that, Twittertards think it's a bad thing.

No. 2238834

>>2238279
Ah okay. Well she did show that she was working the bigger cons like Comic Con in her state (of California) so I can see why cons like this may not be worth it for beginning or even intermediate vendors. But I also remember her saying she did bad at Comic Con this year and I think for her it's that she tends to skew more towards anime and not so much comics which is why she does slightly better at anime conventions than a straight up comic convention.

>>2238421
>her display
Kek yeah her displays have always been certainly… Interesting. And the fact that she really thought that they selling troon/gendie bullshit at a comic convention of all places though I can't imagine they would do any better in an anime convention is just so stupid and is best spent doing something else.

>I think what happened is that most other artists stepped up their game and this person failed to keep up, so no she's salty and looking for excuses to why she's doing bad.

I had a feeling that there may be some salt going on because I remember looking at one of the other cons she worked earlier in the year where she said she did the worst at but said that every other artist vendor did just as poorly, if not worse then she did so I took a look at some of the other vendors working that event and the frequent thing I noticed with a lot of these other artists is that their style and quality was vastly better than hers and it made me wonder if she was lying to compensate for how awful she did. This was the con where she said that her box of merch got stolen and thankfully she was able to get her box back and no one stole anything which on the one hand is good because it means no merch was lost but on the other hand, it also means that the thief thought her stuff looked bad or unappealing so it wasn't worth stealing. It's fucked but…

>>2238442
Is the gendie crap really that prevalent in the conventions you've been to?

No. 2239191

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>>2238438
God these losers trying to insinuate him not breaking off from the status quo like Norman Rockwell makes him just as a bigot like his higher ups forgetting that he would face more pushback as a closeted gay man if he deflected from it. Theyre so completely detached from the way things were back then and quick to put down others just cause they dont believe in modern ideology; funnily enough its mostly TRAs and troons instigating this whole ordeal when they themselves dont speak up against gender politics.

No. 2239202

>>2239191
Forgive my styleblindness but is that a different artist's work on the right?

No. 2239230

>>2239191
> Rockwell pushed back, Leyendecker didn't
Yeah because Rockwell came after Leyendecker and only became politically aware during the civil rights movement and after entering a relationship with an activist schoolteacher who educated him on racial issues. Leyendecker existed during a time where a raging world war was the biggest problem around, kek. I hate people who evaluate historical figures as if their internal dialogues exist in isolation from everything surrounding them at the time.

No. 2239234

>>2238834
NTA but in the conventions I go to, it's nearly impossible to find a stand that doesn't sell uninspired pins of made up sexualities and tranny flags. Sometimes the stands themselves are decked head to toe with the rainbow flag with the parasite tranny triangle, with a name like "Genderqueer Goblin Art" or something.

No. 2239306

>>2239202
it's the same artist, leyendecker's style probably shifted slightly across the years and they're just probably from different dates

No. 2239402

>>2239191
>Hmm really makes you think he didn't call out his employer for being unwoke
Twitter users scream up and down about "media literacy" but then think it's reasonable to expect old media to conform to current day progressive standards

No. 2239413

>>2239402
Ngl, I'm surprised xittards aren't giving him a pass for being a gay guy. This discussion is so retarded anyway, like what outcome are they aiming for? There are so many artists alive NOW who they could direct this outrage too for being genuinely prejudiced.

No. 2239473

Anonitas, how to improve line confidence? My art always looks shaky …

No. 2239675

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>>2238470
Nta, I think at least 50% of the art stalls at my local con has gendie crap in one form or another. Sometimes I think I've managed to find an artist who doesn't have any gendie crap, but then as I look closer and think "oh that's nice-" I suddenly notice they're all done in pride flag colors like picrel. Which always sucks because now I can't buy it even if it was a nice design, because I'm not an aroace lesbian demiboy enby and if I buy it and use it the seller will think I am, and is encouraged to make more and woke people will think I am all that if they see me use it and spot the colors (which they do, they're obsessed with them like flies swarming over shit). Exhausting.

But I can't say I'm against flags, I really wish there was a secret terf flag so I could support terf sellers instead kek And the pride flags let me know who NOT to buy from!

No. 2239683

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>>2239473
Try to do your lines in one full, unbroken stroke until you hit where you can lead your line from another, which is where you can kind of “save” where your linework is, if that makes sense? Doing this over and over without stopping midway through the line is the most important thing to build line confidence in my opinion.

Also there’s no shame in relying on smoothing if you’re on a tablet, heaps of those are really unsteady in their recognition, but that doesn’t help on paper. I’d highly recommend using something like Flipnote on a ds or just a good tablet with a thin pen, really precise to practice on.

No. 2239719

>>2239191
>both dates on the magazine are during the 30s
Gee, I wonder why someone wouldn't want to risk their job during the Great Depression?

No. 2239742

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>>2238807
A bit unrelated but you made me realize why I like his art of old people and children more than the fashionable attractive people, they're just more fun even if I also like husbandos sometimes. I didn't even notice any "racism" in his drawings of white and black children next to each other since they're both stylized the same way, I'm not American but I thought this was pretty progressive for the era.

No. 2239746

>>2239742
what did he use to paint, oils?

No. 2239842

>>2239191
You know though, I'm fine with these braindead motherfuckers wasting their lives on calling out their chosen whiteboy of the week. It means they'll continue to rot in their mediocrity and ignorance and we get to watch more meltdowns coming from their bad art staying shit. Fuck these retards.
>>2239746
nta, yeah he used oils. One of my teachers mentioned that he had some sort of secret mix of turpentine and linseed oil to thin the oils for faster drying to get the look of his paintings, but I dunno if anyone ever figured out what the exact ratio for that was.

No. 2239919

i came across this video in my feed. gonna sound like a hater but isn't it super weird that all this girl seems to paint is herself? like straight up selfies and self portraits. i mean yeah her rendering is good and some have more experimental colors, but after scrolling for a bit the only paintings without her face as the main subject are like.. landscape illustrations. even for her art shcool assignments she draws herself idk why this annoys me tbh

No. 2239926

>>2239919
There's a comic book artist Alex Ross who bases all his illustrations of male white characters on himself and she reminds me of him.

No. 2239935

>>2239919
Good rendering for sure but I don't enjoy or browse any of her art for that reason

No. 2239975

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>>2239919
Eh, lots of artists do that. I can't remember what type of course she's doing but if it's more contemporary focused (not just doing art but dissecting content and ideas, very blue curtain-esqye) it could be part of her conceptual framework. She does deviate from her self portraits for assignments, I remember she did a charcoal animation of a empty hallway (?) and painted a sort of jungle environment iirc.
I don't really like her work, I feel like she could push it way more but she is pretty technically skilled.

No. 2239982

>>2239919
It does come across as a bit self-obsessed, but maybe she has her reasons.

No. 2240010

>>2239982
There really is no reason except trying to be nu-Frida. Yawn. She'll grow out of it probably.

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>>2240010
NTA, it could just be not really having any subject matter nor philosophy to explore beyond herself. I'm not American so the results/culture might be different but there's a type of national gallery exhibit every year in my country that features young adult artists in school and most years it's like 70% relating to their life and identity (not necessarily in a gendie way, but sometimes it is unfortunately) and it's mostly self portraits with some contemporary flair and the remaining 30% is directly referencing something they've studied.

No. 2240165

>>2239919
nona I thought just like you whenever I used to see her reels/pics on my feed. Every artist is gonna put a bit of themselves in every artwork but her total lack of interest for anyone outside of herself is very off putting

No. 2240213

>>2238438
What's the point of trying to cancel a dead guy either way? He's already been fired once. It's called cremation.
>>2239919
This just reminds me of that one SpongeBob episode where squidward is trying to sell all his paintings and make them valuable. They're all of himself. I'm too lazy to search for it but I hope you know what I'm talking about kek

No. 2240249

>>2239719
wdym he could’ve just started a GoFundMe

>>2240213
kek nonna
Honestly I’d rather they focus all their energy on cancelling a long-dead guy than have them go after current female artists for being too cisnormative or whatever.

No. 2240288

>>2239234
Well damn, that's such a shame, I'm sorry to hear that anon.

>>2239675
>Secret Terf Flag
That would be so cool but unfortunately if something like this was made, word would spread quickly to the point where artists who don't supports "trans" would be banned and posslby blacklisted from being able to work cons.

No. 2240666

File: 1730824317794.png (1.04 MB, 1607x926, sketchbook.png)

>>2239919
I really liked her paintings so i checked her sketchbook tour and holy shit it sucks ass. Are drawing and painting different skills? because i dont understand how you can paint like that but draw like this

No. 2240695

>>2240666
Kind of. Moving paint around is obviously not the same as drawing lines with a pencil. And spending hours copying a photo isn't the same as doing a quick life drawing

No. 2241081

>>2238527
>>2238585
>>2238588
>>2239742
These are very nice and pleasant to look at and were actually the very first art of Leyendecker I've ever seen. I was disappointed when I looked him up and his other art didn't have the same charm as these.
>>2239919
I will never understand these self absorbed people who draw nothing but themselves or their self insert.

No. 2241118

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>>2241081
> I was disappointed when I looked him up and his other art didn't have the same charm as these.
what do you mean? my personal favourite is pic rel

No. 2241121

>>2240666
You're joking, right? Do you know what sketch books are for? I'm so embarrassed by some of you sometimes.

No. 2241125

>>2241121
What do you mean? her painting skills doesnt reflect her drawing skills. I thought they were related.

No. 2241133

>>2241125
Why are you even in this thread? Genuine question.

No. 2241137

>>2240666
Nonnelle, don't let youtube flip throughs warp your brain. Sketchbooks aren't supposed to be portfolios of an artist's finest finished works.
>>2241125
Are you being willfully ignorant or do these threads attract more tourists than usual? Painting and drawing are related, but most painters, especially oil painters, don't approach rendering the same way they do line drawing. Trying to compare someone's 20 minute ink wash sketch to a fully rendered school project makes you sound retarded.

No. 2241158

>>2241133
lol calm down i just expected her to draw along the lines of kjg or something like that, but her sketches are purely ugly scribbles
>>2241137
i just thought the skill would translate to sketching, that's all. I prefeer drawing over painting.

No. 2241164

>>2241158
Anon, it's a sketch book. Not an example of her finished drawing skills. That drawing likely took no more than a few minutes, it's a doodle of some things on her desk to practice observation. And my question still stands, why are you in this thread??

No. 2241172

>>2241164
Again, i thought it would be something like kjg sketches that's why i was confused. For example, leyendecker sketches still looked on the same skill as his paintings, that's why i was confused. It's not that deep i dont know why you are so offended.
> why are you in this thread??
i draw

No. 2241173

>>2241158
Anon, I can tell you probably don't study just based off this.

No. 2241176

>>2241173
I do, i don't know why you are making that assumption based on my comment. Again, leyendecker sketches looked on par to his paintings, for example. Same could be said for someone like frazetta, that's why i was confused.

No. 2241213

>>2241173
>>2241164
>>2241133
some of you nonnas seem to forget this isn't just a "general art thread" but a salt thread… let the nonnies be salty

No. 2241241

>>2241213
Be salty over something worth bitching over
>kek look at this bitch using a tool the way it's supposed to be used what a shit I bet she can't draw even draw anime

No. 2241244

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>>2241176
Leyendecker was a professional illustrator, this artist is a student. It's also greatly encouraged when you're studying art at school to do quick studies, and it would be at both highschool and whatever university she goes to now. That's because working on a sketch for at least an hour to learn the same thing and make the same mistakes you would in a 5 minute study is not the best time management.
>>2241213
True, but it is funny to compare a art student to kjg

No. 2241246

>>2241118
I love this. Imo it looks like the old man is dreaming about his childhood with his mother.

No. 2241257

>>2241176
Nonas talk about a single other of the hundreds of famous western artists who have existed throughout history other than fucking Leyendecker again challenge

No. 2241277

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I did not care for Leyendecker.

No. 2241283

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>>2241277
Personally liked Norman Rockwell better but even then he's not in my top ten. (picrel is not his art)

No. 2241284

>Gee I haven't heard of one of my followed artists in a while, I wonder what she's up to
>Check her socials out
>She hasn't posted all because she doesn't want her work stolen by AI models
I mean I get the anxiety over AI and I hate it too but imagine shooting yourself in the leg like that. She wasn't even that big of an artist outside of her direct circle (only a couple thousand followers) so it's just jarring to see someone take this path and paywall all her work instead of using anti-AI glazes and showing how much more soulful human work can be.

No. 2241298

>>2237395
>>2237407
As someone who started overrelying on 3D models when they were first popularized, I agree. I also agree with >>2237406 that they're an extremely useful tool and a great tool beside the physical dolls and photo references. But tracing over them does take a lot of dynamic qualities away from the drawing and they're at risk of becoming too stiff. They're amazing shortcuts when you're learning proportions, composition, poses, perspective etc. because they make things so much more simple, but when you trace over a 3D scene it becomes too clinical, too perfect, just lacking of depth that you have to bring in to the image by twisting certain things. An illustration isn't photography, so simply replicating physical reality doesn't always work.

That said, I have nothing against people using them and skilled artists can include them in their workflow without stunting their personal growth. They're especially useful for drawing complex objects that you have a hard time figuring out too.

No. 2241307

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>>2237868
>>2238421
Since she was mentioned, I had a good chuckle at this improvement meme she did. I've been following her on/off just to hear the dumb things she says since I used to watch her videos on YouTube back in the day. In her last video about art style, she mentioned how she's trying to include more props in her illustrations and that's all fine and well but I really don't see much of a difference in the quality of her character design themselves as they still have the deviantart derp faces. It's ironic that she mentioned how someone joked that the reason why she has a cyclops character is so she doesn't have tk draw two eyes because I feel like deep down there is truth to this considering the eye way she draws regular eyed characters, they always tend to look weird, especially with her incessant need to overly render them which emphasizes the weirdness even more.

No. 2241336

>>2241307
Maybe it’s because she relied on the symmetry tool too much, That’s what I see with the first picture anyway. Her art style reminds me of the people who couldn’t bother studying anatomy despite wanting their art to look realistic or have a unique style.

No. 2241378

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>>2241336
Yeah she still relies on the symmetry tool tbh. I sometimes look at her twitch streams and she uses the symmetry tool whenever she's drawing eyes, heck she even uses it when drawimg the mouth facing front soemtimes. I think that she's so focused on making her style look so spooky and unique that she doesn't realize how her style just doesn't deliver that vibe because of her weak anatomy. This is why it's so funny how she thinks overhauling her shading/coloring will make her aer stand out in a unique way, espwcially since her friends encourage her when as insufferable as most of her friends are because ethey ate troops, their art does look more appealing then hers. And she says she doesn't have time to practice anatomy but she does, she just needs to stop worrying about her coloring and inking for a bit and focus on anatomy. It is just so noticeable, especially when she does fanart. Picrel, she charges 15 USD for these… I'm all for interpreting fanart in yoyr own style and Helluva Boss characters can translate well with creative difference but how can she not see how janky these depictions look? Blitz is the only one who looks somewhat decent but with quality like this, I can't say I'm surprised that she has shaky experiences when selling at cons.

Even I'm the con video, she mentioned that she was able to make her table and travel back because she shared a table with two friends, what would've happened if she was working solo? It probably would've been a disaster.

No. 2241406

>>2240288
>That would be so cool but unfortunately if something like this was made, word would spread quickly to the point where artists who don't supports "trans" would be banned and posslby blacklisted from being able to work cons.
What if the flag/symbol was purposely made to look generic enough that it could easily be mistaken for being innocent? Like detrans people have a lizard/gecko symbol that's widely accepted, but it's still really easy for them to go "huh detrans what? I just think lizards are neat" as an excuse if confronted about it

No. 2241463

>>2238574
Most people grandparents are still alive from that period. Honest question, when is the earliest people can start talking about racial ideology? 2012?

No. 2241465

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>>2241406
In vein of animals, I've seen hyenas be suggested for a TERF symbol but it's always put me off because of the pseudopenis thing and I feel trannies would use it to say "look you actually do want to transition!! ha Freudian slip!!"

In other news, Tamakuz seems to be stressed out over youtube/vk comments. I kind of sympathise, I can't imagine having actual children spam retarded shit at you whilst other retarded children whinge about how you're problematic and should be cancelled all while getting stalked by a incel.

No. 2241468

>>2241257
anons really looking at any excuse to infight here kek

No. 2241547

>>2237637
She had her second kid weeks ago.

No. 2241553

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>>2241378
Also to add to the monthly stupid thing she has said in a recent stream, she has a grudgr against the company Huion because when they sent her Huion tablet to review for free that eventually developed a ton of dead pixels after two years of usage, they didn't give her a warranty nor did they send her one of their newer model tablets to review and keep. I've never reviewed a product before but I feel like it's a bit silly to expect a company to give you a warranty for something that they're sending you free of charge and I can't help but feel she's being ridiculous here unless maybe this really is a custom and she didn't read what she signed before agreeing to review it.

I understand being frustrated when a product you use frequently stops working and you don't have an immediate backup tablet but still, i feel like that something every artist who uses tablets should plan for in general.

No. 2241558

>>2239230
>>2239402
WWI was early 1900s, so they both would've been old enough to experience both world wars and the depression. But there was also the hypocrisy that was the Jim Crow era that saw to people being murdered and dragged along the streets, that I think would also catch the eye of people that time. I think the point is that Leyendecker choose to play it safe and not rock the boat, probably for his own safety and comfort as a gay man, while Rockwell went on to push the meaning and message of his work beyond simple commercial work, long after his wife's death. People here trying to dismiss that as him being a "woke college calling out his unwoke employer" is not just stupid. Norman looked up to Leyendecker as an artist, I imagine the criticism he gave only came from a genuine place of concern.

No. 2241560

>>2241465
I know this is a uninspired answer but maybe we could use the New Mexico whiptail lizard, an all female species with no pseudopenises kek

No. 2241693

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No. 2241788

>>2241465
She used rytp meme

No. 2241845

>>2233225
> I hate video formats for art but I'm thinking of switching to tiktok anyway since that's where people are it seems… though I've heard kids are slowly quitting tiktok so maybe a new platform I don't know about is on the rise?
I've found TikTok really unhelpful for art because a video might do really well and then result in 0 followers, or one child that follows 8k other accounts anyway.
I guess people don't need to follow artists on TikTok because they can instead trust the algorithm to feed them similar work, like on Pinterest, but it's a nightmare to put so much work into something that does well only for it to not result in any retained audience

Does anyone know where the kids are moving to if not TikTok?

No. 2241884

>>2241788
Ah, fuck I should have realised, kek. I'm just so used to her sperging out about her comment section every few months that I didn't even pick that up.
>>2241560
They look like very lovely ladies, they'd look good on a badge or sticker.

No. 2242163

>>2237637
Genuinely depressing. I knew her work would fall off when she had her first kid and I was so disappointed when she announced her second pregnancy, kek. I'm not even talking about her upload schedule, she's just sloppy now. I will continue to watch her because I've been watching ever since she started youtube, but I'm waiting on the day those kids are old enough for school.

No. 2242466

>>2242163
>>2237637
She already had her baby. She's taking care of her newborn now plus her other child and she has like 3 housecats.

No. 2244294

>>2240666
Idk if this is the thing with all her paintings but i watched one of her video process and she projects a photo of herself on the canvas, traces it and then paints

No. 2244317

>>2242163
Genuine question, what's depressing about her having another child? Does her moid suck or something?
I used to watch her some years ago, I'm happy she's stable enough to have children (if she wants to be a mother).

No. 2245443

>>2240666
Kek this happens to me, I can make a decent full color piece after hours but if I try to make something simple and cute in minutes it fucking sucks.

No. 2245491

>>2244317
this is a terf site anon women are only worthy of respect if they're lesbian childless femcels

No. 2245620

>>2244317
If you would refer to the nonna's post the clue is in what she wrote:
>I knew her work would fall off
>[Her work is] just sloppy now
That is, it's not about the kids themselves, it's about the time it takes to raise the kids that takes away from cultivating artistic skill. When skills are not honed they deteriorate. Nonna is sad that her favourite artist's skills are deteriorating and can't wait for when she has time to herself when the kids are at school so she can paint again.

No. 2245652

>>2245491
what the fuck are you talking about

No. 2245878

I'm watching a video of artists talking about their favorite artists, the first girl chose Leyendecker and has been talking for like 20 minutes about how gay gay gay queer he is and that's why she loves him (as a gay woman herself). I'm from a progressive country so maybe that's why being gay isn't a big deal to me, but it just seems so odd to like a man's art literally because he wanted to fuck other men, like ok? If someone 100 years after I die bring me up as their favorite artist and all they talk about is how lesbian I am I will turn in my grave of cringe.

No. 2245971

>>2245491
Sorry for the heterophobia you faced anon

No. 2246133

>>2245620
Hm I see. I still find the sentiment a bit weird/disrespectful though (or maybe it's just the wording she used).

No. 2246763

>>2244317
>>2245491
Lol, I can assume nona meant it's depressing that since her time will be taken up by her kids it'll impact how much art she can work on

No. 2246876

>>2240666
IMO painting feels different than drawing because you can start with a blob and shape it into the thing you're making (I also like using darker colors or the eraser tools if it's digital), and depending on how you draw it's like trying to focus on shadows or line weight

No. 2247781

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I'm actually so tired of boobie terrorists

No. 2247919

>>2245878
Nona, have you considered- and just walk with me here- that this youtuber you're referring to may be… just a tiny bit… not lesbian? Or at least, bisexual? I'm not saying you can't have fag/dyke solidarity but to gush over Leyendecker's suited and booted sweaty male figures feels to me at the very least bisexual, if not a normal hettie betty or (god forbid) a TIF in the making.

No. 2247943

>>2245878
Ngl, she sounds like one of those poser lesbeans

No. 2247950

>>2247781
I'm fairly sure this is a woman. What a total waste.

No. 2247955

>>2247950
The artist is, yeah. I like a lot of her color schemes but everything is just nonsensical gigantic tube boobs.

No. 2247960

>>2247781
If she wasn't creating this kind of moid-pandering content, some moid would do it instead, so what's the point in trying to cater to them? They're not going to cater to you, so naturally the best choice would be to ignore scrotes and create things for yourself.

No. 2248119

>>2247919
>have you considered- and just walk with me here- that this youtuber you're referring to may be… just a tiny bit… not lesbian?
She literally opened with a "I'm a super gay lesbian" and then went on to explain she loves this guy because of gay solidarity. Whether she is or isn't a trulesbo it still made the video shit and boring, I just wanted to hear about art for arts sake.

No. 2248230

It's always funny to me how much screeching referencing other artists causes, I'm free to use whatever I want as reference.

No. 2248310

>>2246133
Ayrt, I meant exactly what >>2245620 said. I expected it to happen, people's lives change, they get busy, it's just too bad when it happens to an artist you like.
>weird/disrespectful
Oh please. If I can't express these sentiments on the lcf artist salt thread of all places, where else?
>>2245491
you are stupid and needlessly aggressive

No. 2248421

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Nonnies, I just saw a Palestine Occupation OC and I genuinely am speechless and do not know where to start when describing my feelings about this. FYI the artist did put donation links for Gaza and Lebanon (below the Toyhouse link for this OC's backstory)

No. 2248483

>>2247781
are all men homosexuals? is that why they are obsessed with anime girls with scrotum tits?

No. 2248496

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>>2248421
it boggles my mind that random teenagers are so online and brainrotten they'll do ADF-level 'tistic mixing up of anime and real world tragedy. he was even ahead of the trend of pronouns and labels for everything. everyone is a tard now and we're fucked

No. 2248509

>>2248421
>Palestine Occupation OC
Reminds me of the time when autismos were making holocaust victim ocs..these people need to get offline because this is literally mocking the actual real people who go through this shit

No. 2248524

>>2248421
why does he look like a fucking nepoletan ice cream

No. 2248566

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Nona that posted the Palestine Occupation pic. The regular art style of the artist is more realistic and less cringe than the fucking anime chibi Palestine Occupation survivor, but still. Here's Neopolitan Boy's little brother for art style comparison. I cannot believe this artist is wasting their skills on this. Has no one in their personal circle pointed out that maybe the fucking war on Gaza isn't the best idea for an OC?

No. 2248577

>>2248566
I like to draw self indulgent history autism ocs but at least all of the survivors of the civil war and nam are fucking dead and not alive and currently suffering kek this is retarded

No. 2248585

>>2248566
Wow I have no words for this…this is messed up.

No. 2248587

>>2248566
i love how her self-insert is some flavor of kawaii trendy androgynous twink with a cimplicated dye job and a palatable disability while the little brother is the one that's disfigured and clearly just there as a prop

No. 2248609

>>2248566
This is so tone-deaf, I don't even know what should be criticized first

No. 2248619

>>2248566
I think this style makes it even more distasteful

No. 2248836

Sorry to vent but I'm so tired of queer art. It's so boring an unoriginal, every virtue signal louder than the next. I grew up using tumblr so it's all I've seen and I've seen it all, it's been like 2 decades and they all still act like it's revolutionary of them to draw a smol uwu trans man OC

No. 2248923

>>2248421
>Syrian/Palestinian
Not be a lore autist about it, but what's the logic behind the Syrian parent? Cuz if Neapolitano here is part Syrian you would assume his Palestinian parent was a refugee in Syria, not that some Syrian randomly decided that Ghaza (I assume, it's not even specified) would be a good place to live.
And the way she writes it as a vague "violence of the occupation" instead of a specific event?
The concept itself is definitely weird and kind of insensitive, but if she wrote the backstory like someone that actually knew their shit/put bizzarre ammounts of tought into it I would almost have to respect the sheer autism of making a tone deaf OC for her middle eastern history special interest.
Checking her toyhouse it seems she just likes to make OCs of semi-random foreign ethnicities.

No. 2248982

>>2247955
I browsed her pinterest. She genuinely has some good eye for aesthetic and composition but she chooses to waste it on painting slop.

No. 2249004

>>2248566
Yeah this genuinely is fucked up

No. 2249015

>>2241283
What's the name of the artist?

No. 2249018

>>2249015
Lucian Freud

No. 2249020

>>2239919
I like it, let a girl boss explore herself through art

No. 2249023

>>2249018
Thank you

No. 2249047

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>>2239675
>>2240288
>>2241406
not exactly the same thing but there's a swallowtail pride flag (progress flag with all the bullshit cut off) that LGBs use to show their disapproval of trannies and kweers. it'd be cool if a swallow became a secret lgb symbol based on that. you could always pretend to be oblivious and say you like birds

No. 2249064

>>2249047
>it'd be cool if a swallow became a secret lgb symbol based on that.
I like it

No. 2249069

>>2249047
It doesn't even look like a movement flag, as it has the same shape as the 2 "standard" flag cuts, plus it looks nice. Unless someone knows about the progress one, which in all honesty only qweers do/use, it seems like a completely normal flag.
Very easy to act dumb on it, just say you're gay and the shape was more cute than a sinple rectangle. I don't add politics to my art or social media/con presence, but if I ever have to put a flag on my stuff I would use that one.

No. 2249566

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>>2248836
I agree. I genuinely think virtue signaling is making woke artists lazy. Sorry to keeping bring up the artist that made those Palestine Occupation OCs, but given that she also makes them flavors of queer alongside that (blue OC is a bisexual TIM, hijabi OC is a lesbian she/they), I think she also counts and is a good example of what I am trying to say. I feel like a lot of virtue signaling woke artists focus on shoving as much diversity into their 200 OCs as possible, but can't put in the effort or research to actually delve deeper into those characters' stories and experiences. I don't count Toyhouse infodumps as storytelling and characters just standing there as representation, but these sorts of artists love to pat each other on the back for bare minimums. I find it disappointing that these people don't try to showcase different cultures in an actual story and would respect them more if they tried, but I consider their lack of effort a good thing when it comes to trans or genderspecial OCs because I could not handle having even more of that dumb, pretentious shit shoved in my face.

No. 2249734

>>2248421
please i have to see what other atrocities this artist has committed. whos the OP?

No. 2249807

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>>2249734
gayaest on Tumblr and sproutwiki on Toyhouse. The Palestine OCs have got to be the worst thing this artist has done, but her other OCs are also rather interesting. They all tend to be disabled and dress like Tiktokers. Her tumblr bio reads "gay & disabled & west asian".

This person is also a Vtuber called Sproutwiki. Anyone brave enough to watch her content, please let us know what sort of person could be behind these atrocities.

No. 2249808

>>2249807
The focus on the disabled reminds me of trashtrashtras but less fetishistic

No. 2249829

>>2249808
There's a big difference between being a woke wheelchair Palestine Tumblr vitiligo uwu bean and whatever the fuck trashtrashtras was on. First is virtue signaling and second is a demented fetish.

No. 2249832

>>2249829
What happened to that guy? he was scary.

No. 2249846

>>2249832
Based on behavior and the very human details in the art I think the artist was an extremely deranged woman but that person ultimately ended up deleting everything on DA and disappearing. (Another reason why I think it was a female artist because a moid would double down)

No. 2249847

>>2249829
That's why I said less fetishistic

No. 2249859

>>2249846
Hope shes on meds or something. The scariest thing about their art was that it was decently drawn, it scares me that she/he might work doing art for cartoons or something.

No. 2249962

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>>2249829
idk the disability fixation is borederline creepy even if it's coated in sparkly uwu shit. the results are hilarious tho

No. 2249965

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>>2249808
The trashtrashtrashtras comparison is way too accurate, all she needs is a oc in a ventilator with shrunken limbs.
Also >>2249566 what a horrifically painful placement for a prosthetic leg. Why do these diversity artists always fuck up prosthetics, every single time it looks like the oc is going to get the worst blisters imaginable at best or the body horror-esque shit going on there.

No. 2250011

>>2249962
Having Cerberus as a service dog would literally be "hellish" to experience. I hate these virtuous signaling retards theres not one bone of authenticity in them

No. 2250096

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>>2250011
Agreed. Some of them can be so hypocritical when they do the exact same tokenism they want to fight against. if she actually wrote a story or something she might have had a point, bu all she does is just draw her OCs in Pinterest outfits. Granted, apparently she has vision problems and has to zoom in 200% to draw, but all she draws is people just standing there. Is that not just caring about the aesthetics? What's the difference?

No. 2250119

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>>2250096
this bitch wants the powertrip of gatekeeping wheelchair ocs yet gives hers 50 shades of brown ethnicities whose cultures she probably knows nothing about hmmmm
gaza gyaru's only personality trait is palestinian, also wtf is a "culture" keffiyeh, it's a political symbol at best like everything she draws

No. 2250139

>>2250119
Hate to agree with the TIF but
>also wtf is a "culture" keffiyeh, it's a political symbol
Is wrong.The keffiyeh existed long before it was used as "Symbol" it's like calling the scotsman print a symbol it's part of the culture but this retard probably doesn't know that and only wanted to use it for SJW points

No. 2250248

>>2249965
>>2249962
>>2249807
>disability fetish
I miss homunculus sisters, i think she would have loved drawing mouthwashing fanart

No. 2250267

>>2250248
She probably is, we just can't see it. In a year or two she'll come back, I feel it in my bones.

No. 2250278

>>2250248
>>2250267
And Nemu would have loved Curly. She has a fetish for radiation sickness and he was a bedridden severely mutilated burn victim. You just know she'd draw him throwing up his pills into yellow tupperware and getting her self insert pregnant.

No. 2250332

>>2250096
It's like these kinds of artists use a wheel to decide. 1 for which lgbtq identity, one for a random non-white country and one for disability. And yet somehow they always look the exact same as the other characters made with that method. Extra points if they're the most random racial mix you've ever heard of.
>>2250119
Off topic but I cannot unsee the keffiyeh as a thing that emo kids in the late 2000's wore here.
>>2250248
I'm still amazed at how many people defended her

No. 2250346

>>2250139
yeah i phrased it bad. were he french it would have been equally as retarded to label him with a beret mime mustache and striped shirt with 'cultural'

No. 2250520

>>2250278
>Nemu
Can an anon remind me if she just disappeared or if the threads just lost track of her? I forgot about her but she was crazy

No. 2250674

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in other news the tif pumpkin sex pest can't decide on an identity to larp, before he was an AAVE speaking blasian and now she claims to have learnt thai and spanish, or wasn't she already latinx before maybe ?

No. 2250710

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>>2250674
samefag, bitch thinks she lives in a diversity-ridden libfem cartoon and stays desperate for anyone to call her interesting and cosmopolitan

No. 2250847

>>2250096
>multiple sclerosis
I truly hope the freaks that fetishize disability and disease get everything that’s coming to them

No. 2250898

>>2250674
>spelling tu as tú
yeah this bitch doesn't know spanish
also translating the jaja to haha is so retarded kek

No. 2250931

>>2231342
>How do you know they are straight
How do I know the females who regularly post about their boyfriends, husbands and transbian girlfriend are straight? Just a hunch I guess. The only actual gay artist in the group is a woman dating a transman, and she hasn't even posted her own comics yet just a few character sketches.

No. 2250936

>>2249047
That's pretty clever! Plus I know an asshole TRA guy named Swallow who would be fuming if terfs/gc used it as their symbol so I'm all for that kek

No. 2251131

>>2250931
nayrt, I was excited to see the response to that as a lesnonna and it didn't disappoint kekekeke. I hope your own comics have been coming along well nonna!!

No. 2251434

This might be OT for the thread but does anyone here use Krita? How do I add an outline around every stroke in a layer? I want to handwrite some text in a light color and have a black outline on the letters so that it's easier to read.

No. 2251542

nonas, as a digital fandom artist re-entering social media, how do you properly handle a much bigger artist (10k+ followers) who mutuals you just to shamelessly copy your characters and profit off of your ideas? I don't see confrontation or setting boundaries as an option right now since I don't want to get dogpiled. I have only a few hundred followers, almost 1k, but I feel that this is wrong somehow. Should I just block and move on? Keep saving receipts since it has become a pattern at this point?

No. 2251646

>>2251542
I'm a nosy bitch so I'd want receipts kek
But first be honest with yourself and admit if it's really your idea, or if it's inspired by a poplar trend you saw. Secondly make sure you're really really sure they're copying you specifically. I've seen too many "call outs" where a small artist is super upset over being copied… when in reality it's barely anything like their work and it was trending at that time. If I was your friend I'd help you analyze it in private to make sure you'd have a case or not, but I understand if you don't wanna post yourself on lc. So if you have friends, tell ALL of them and ask what they think.

If you have enough proof and a friend is willing, they could do the call out posts for you. That gives you some distance and lets you just be the victim. And if everyone turns against you it's easier for the friend to go "whatever, it's not my art anyway" and for you to act like you weren't involved with the call out and that you've talked to your friend about it now to make them stop. That will make people leave both of you alone. But your friend would have to be ok with pretending to be the only person making the call out beforehand.

If it turns out your proof is too weak even though they're copying your ideas, like maybe their drawings are just too different than yours… you can still start vague tweeting about them. Like when you post you can add things like "watch CERTAIN BIG CREATORS post this thing in a few days too winkyface", posts about how it sucks when big people copy you without credit. Let them know you see them copy you, and your own followers will get nosy about who it is. You can even offer to tell anyone who DMs you who the copy is with the proof.

Another route is go to the copycats pics, and every time they post a copy you reply/comment "oh wow I posted exactly (insert what they copied) just 2 days ago, what a coincidence!". Maybe even link to yours. Every time. But with this tactic you act sweet and innocent. This gives them an escape to go "haha what a coincidence" and stop copying you on their own because they realize you're catching on to them.

No. 2251697

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Will somebody think of the artists losing access to their sweatshop labor-produced merch.

No. 2251709

>>2251646
Kek nona these are really good tips, I will be taking these into consideration. The big name artist in question isn't copying big trends but rather my OCs, down to the gender, body type, hairstyle and name, and these are extremely uncommon names I gave them. Frankly, I'm unnerved by this behavior and I will approach this situation with care.

No. 2251739

>>2249047
I really like the swallow idea, very cute! If anyone wanted a mammalian icon, I think African elephants are a good choice;
>herds are mostly female except for young males who get kicked out when they're able to take care of themselves
>adults are rarely hunted by predators because of their size and strength and can hold their own against lions unless weakened/ill
>extremely resilient in poor conditions
>elephants don't forget/once you peak you don't go back
>multigenerational herds, any woman of any age can benefit from TERF ideology
>they're really pretty animals
>>2251697
Good. I'm sick of seeing that garbage and it will force people be more creative with merch

No. 2251752

>>2251697
Ffs just make your own shit,these are the same people who ironically call themselves creators yet can't create jackshit to begin with.

No. 2251768

>>2251697
I never thought too much about acrylic keychains because they seemed like to be automated-enough to not be a big deal, but seeing artists sell mass-produced plushies which require so much hands-on human involvement to create always pissed me off. The "artists" only create the design of the object, they don't do any of the work it takes to prototype the actual plush, or assemble it. It's just artists with a bit of clout and funds peddling shit they barely had a hand in making.

No. 2251771

>>2251752
buh-buh-but you don't understand, they need to make easy money off of what should be a hobby!!!

No. 2251774

>>2251697
Sorry to doublepost, but honestly I hope this would encourage merch artists to focus on stuff like artbooks/doujins/zines instead. Everything is so profit-driven, I personally know artisst who have peddling fanmerch as their main source of income, but man… I wish there was more actual passion and love of art itself in fan spaces instead of people just looking to make a buck.

No. 2251782

>>2251646
This is the most cowardly, stupid advice I've ever read on this board. You're seriously suggesting that OP throw their friends under the bus for some manufactured drama ("But your friend would have to be ok with pretending to be the only person making the call out beforehand") or act needlessly petty, at that point they have better luck making a proper callout to the thousand followers they have.

No. 2251865

>>2251709
Wishing you luck nona. I don't really remember any previous incidents of OC theft and what happened but I hope you can deal with it! Please remember to take screenshots of the big artist's post with post dates included so you can prove you posted your characters first. The more proof you have, the more safe you are from dogpiling. If you have enough proof, you could theoretically go to the artist and tell them to quit it if the pattern is obvious enough. They might just gaslight you or deny it though.

No. 2251873

>>2251865
Thank you. I already have a folder compiled with time stamps and shared them with my friends. They are all seeing the pattern too. Confronting a larger artist who is copying my work and is extremely well connected is going to be a daunting task.

No. 2251945

File: 1731130330972.jpg (108.79 KB, 1170x513, artfeed.jpg)

I’m slowly getting used to blue sky, do you guys think it has a future/is worth investing time in?
Recently felt this shift in using twitter where I finally realized I don’t want to use this shit app anymore. The only thing keeping me there is my large following, favorite users who haven’t made the move, and having a private account(which bsky doesn’t have). Also, an artist I really love moved to bsky but it compressed all her art so horribly kek, I went back to X to save it all.

Also, how do I make sure my posts get added to this feed in picrel? Does being part of a popular feed do anything for your traction?

No. 2251963

>>2251697
That shit is getting out of control, I'll play the world's smallest violin when these people can't get their plastic rugs and bags made in chinese sweatshops

No. 2251974

>>2251945
It's probably gonna be where people the people go. A lot of artists are upset about the AI training and the changes to the block list on twitter even more so than the horrible algorithm.

No. 2252030

>>2251542
>>2251646
This is awful advice. I'm begging you OP don't listen to this. You're just going to create a reputation for yourself as a drama mongerer (yes, even if you don't do the callout directly, people aren't stupid and they know friends who do callouts for others are doing it on their behalf because the friend in question is trying to maintain the image of a uwu little victim who doesn't want to get their hands dirty) and set up a chain reaction where this same "friend" who took the fall for you will be compiling your own callout doc in a year or two's time, trust me. Starting with this specific incident, where you suddenly won't look like the victim anymore. The best thing you can honestly do is to block the artist in question and try your best to forget about it and move on, copycats all have an identity crisis and if the object of their fixation doesn't give them attention they eventually get bored and start copying someone else. Also stop checking on what said artist is doing and stop caring that they get better numbers than you, social media numbers are fake anyway. Out of sight out of mind is a very powerful technique. I know it's unsettling but it's the same principle as having a stalker, they feed on any kind of attention you give them even negative attention, calling them out or shaming them doesn't work and will just drive them deeper into their obsession with you.

No. 2252033

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Is this loli-pandering? People said this is jojifuku fashion, but the randoseru(and well the design in general) creeps me out.
The artist’s work is like 90% young muscular pretty anime guys in cutesy pastel aesthetics so I assume it’s a woman. But their girls are typical uguu coomerbait and occasionally short flat-chested girls dressed in a revealing way.

No. 2252035

>>2252033
>randoseru
You have to ask?

No. 2252047

>>2252033
Come on..
>randoseru
>Jojifuku clothing
You literally have to be fucking blind to not see this as lolishit…

No. 2252050

>>2252033
Judging by the rest of the account, it's probably just a dumbass who genuinely thinks jojifuku is just fashion. Nothing else on the account is Lolicon coded

No. 2252052

>>2252033
it's a shame bc the character is cute (I have no taste) but it's definitely meant to seem lewd

No. 2252056

>>2252050
>lolicon coded
Its highly unlikely she didnt knew what jojifuku is since the point of that whole "fetishfashion" is to be a little girl

No. 2252063

>>2251697
god forbid you'd have to work with a print shop that pays its workers proper salaries

No. 2252071

>>2252033
ashamed I recognized this but this is a character from kodomo no jikan. 1000% pedoshit

No. 2252074

>>2252071
NTA but I don't think that's supposed to be rin

No. 2252096

One of the things I hate the most about taking commissions is having to talk to clients who type like 5 year olds, drop a half-assed reference of their character without explaining shit, who then act dumb if one detail didn't completely fit with the "vibe" and "lore" of the character. I legit had a client who wanted me to edit a picture because there was a detail in the character's outfit and they didn't know what it was, only for me to point out that that's how it was in the reference, and then they told me they didn't even notice the detail was in fact there because it was a new character and I just… do you not think before ordering a commission?

No. 2252120

>>2251945
Feeds work either by checking for certain keywords or tags in posts or via the creator manually adding people to it (the later giving the same result as making a list in Twitter does).
So try checking if the posts in that feed have something in common, like the hastag "myart". If not, you can contact the creator of it & tell them you're an artist.

No. 2252141

>>2250674
Why does pumpkin keep trying to come back? Every time I open the comments section on any new tiktok video all the zoomies are either pushing back and nitpicking with all their might (do you blame them) or trying their hardest to be nice because of the former group of people. Call me thin-skinned but honestly I would just accept my fate and move on, maybe start anew.

No. 2252150

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>>2251697
Glad 90% of QRTs are calling her a retard. Can't wait for these people to actually learn what is supposed to be their craft instead of paying some overseas kid 50c/h to get their fandom nui sewn.

Saw some other complains about how people only buy plushes/similar stuff because it's "higher quality" than acrylic keycharms and cans, but in all honestly I'm sure 70% of the time it's because their art sucks, so a well-made plush is more appealing than a sparkledog print.
They just need to git gut really, I have seen a bunch of people buying merch of stuff they haven't watched just because the art is nice, that's what they have to aim for. If your drawing looks nice, people will purchase it regarless of the medium.

No. 2252158

>>2251768
just had a 10cm plush pattern get sucked into a sewing machine and god do i agree with this. infuriates me even more these grifters have the audacity to complain that getting a sample is "too expensive" and jumps around manu to manu because the sample did not match their 2D kawiwi procreate slop. i hope the artists moping about the tariff get dragged through the mud for condoning sweatshop labour and unethical factory practices.

No. 2252179

>>2251709
>The big name artist in question isn't copying big trends but rather my OCs, down to the gender, body type, hairstyle and name, and these are extremely uncommon names I gave them.
You can also go the route of pretending you think it's fanart. If they're dumb enough to even use the same OC names then that's fair game kek. Retweet/repost it every time and go "Aww omg how nice of you to make fanart!!! I'm so happy you like my OCs so much, it means a lot!!!". It retroactively renders all of their stolen works into being "for you". You can now freely repost all of them as if they are fanart, and use them as advertising for yourself, like "hey look this bigger artist loves my OCs!". They can't say no, unless they admit to just copying your OCs.

No. 2252193

>>2252179
Pulling the kasanemichael

No. 2252233

>>2252033
It's definitely pedophile pandering but loli is a body type that looks like toddlers, this looks like a middle schooler dressing like an elementary kid

No. 2252269

>>2250520
Last I heard of her, she was getting help for sex addiction and left social media entirely. Some people thought she rebranded but it wasn't her.

No. 2252291

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The American election is fucking up international online art spaces. A bunch of American(?) scrotes are malding and seething at a 16 year old artist on Twitter for making art about her own fear of pregnancy. She probably isn't even American, but retards with usernames like "lolipenetrator1488" are still bashing her, calling her a demon and relating it back to Trump somehow.
https://x.com/squalid114617/status/1854643831825711445
I'm worried that for the next four years, girls and women both in and out of America won't be able to make "complicated" or even just dark/edgy art without being harassed by actual mongoloids who think women must be trad or whatever.

No. 2252294

>>2252233
>but loli is a body type that looks like toddlers
>body type
Do you know where you even are? This isn't twiturd faggot no one is buying that pedophile excuse. Fuck off

No. 2252299

>>2252291
i see this one is 16 but adults posting vent art in general is cringe and i wish artists would keep it to themselves. by that i mean a self-centered picture that's solely for the artist's psychological relief. i like art that's inspired by the artist's struggles but that also has actual artistic depth and is of interest to a viewer that dgaf about the artist's personal life.

No. 2252300

>>2252291
I checked the replies very quickly and they're so cancerous I was actually impressed. And I also suspect that half of the accounts in there are bots, regardless of what they say about that specific illustration. I hope that girl turned off her notifications.

No. 2252302

>>2252299
That's purely subjective though tbh, there were at least some supporters in the comments talking about how they found it to be interesting/fascinating because of all the little details and how they related. I'd rather see "personal" and venting art mixed in with art "for everyone" than just polished and sanitized stuff all the time, Artstation's culture is a bit boring to me.

No. 2252303

>>2252302
yeah it's very subjective. emotional art is fine to me, most vent art feels really indulgent and narcissistic. i don't like the artstation commercial either

No. 2252323

>>2252299
>artists making art about anything dark or personal is cringe art should be colorful marketable slop

No. 2252329

>>2252291
>holy shit how is this 16 year old so skilled at art
>russian
every time. what books do they learn from over there?

No. 2252335

>>2252299
Lel how dare artists make art about their sad feelings. They should be drawing fotm waifu pinups instead.

No. 2252336

>>2252323
don't you have to be old enough to read to post on here ?

No. 2252358

File: 1731167425437.jpg (1.76 MB, 2908x3124, blabla.jpg)

>>2251697
>see people raise concerns about artists(like you) selling cheaply mass produced factory products
>Call them racist and xenophobic/sinophobic
>Make your thread about China and anti-China racism, twitter users don’t have enough braincells to notice OP never mentioned China
>Say a load of long-winded shit that doesn’t actually acknowledge OP’s points
>call them condescending for using the word “plastic”
>compare them to MAGA
>make sure to mention you’re queer and disabled???
>Profit
Incredibly dishonest thread, I hope most of those 8.1k likes are from normie consoomers and not actual artists kek

No. 2252359

>>2252299
Art doesn't exist to appease anyone but the artist. I guess if you view the world through a lens of irony poisoning, I can see how a sincere expression of thought might be "cringe" to you.

No. 2252368

>>2252299
>i like art that's inspired by the artist's struggles
>dgaf about the artist's personal life
lmao are you retarded

No. 2252439

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What the fuck is happening with afroami / ami0amii

No. 2252443

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>>2252439
Context, she redrew a photo of an actual corpse from Abu Ghraib prison where US military and CIA tortured Iraqi war prisoners. And added Garfield meme on top of it

No. 2252456

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>>2252443
What the fuck? I genuinely don't even know what's going on here, I was not expecting this from a rather skilled y2k-enjoying artist. This doesn't even read as obvious virtue signaling like those Palestine Occupation OCs, to me, this reads like someone going insane.

No. 2252464

>>2252368
there's difference between poor me narc scribbles to gather asspats and inspired, quality art that's also inspired by genuine feelings. most vent art is the former but then again navel gazin is what SM is all about

No. 2252467

>>2252439
Seems like the typical 2edgy4u shit, some artists are just natural lolcows

No. 2252469

>>2252439
That's really psychopathic.

No. 2252470

>>2252439
Political art is unexpected from her, but I understand what she meant. It's not offensive or meant to just be an edgy "aesthetic" post IMO, just dark and disconcerting.

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>>2252299
I mean 50% of gallery art is that for a reason, in fact you actually have to have some sort of marketable trauma most of the time to make it in the gallery art world as a woman. But I doubt you know that, I doubt you even know what Maman is or who Louise Bourgeois is.

No. 2252482

>>2252439
i can't tell whether is is for attention or she's actually having a breakdown from obsessing about the news. or a very elaborate troll

No. 2252490

File: 1731172586288.jpg (1.09 MB, 1170x1273, 027023792.jpg)

>>2252439
One of the replies kek

No. 2252553

>>2252443
>>2252470
Oh my god "op should've added a caption" and "A redraw of a corpse is disgusting, especially of a situation not of your own community…" are so funny. Steven Universe-critical blogs really melted an entire generation of brains

No. 2252571

>>2252553
To be fair it is weird to draw an actual dead body from reference but the message is so incredibly clear that I don't understand how people don't get it. And they sound like the type to bitch about media literacy too.
>>2252439 And she's not having a breakdown either, this reads as being purposefully cryptic.

No. 2252587

>>2252571
I totally accept that opinion, but the implication that cultural appropriation is what pushes it over the line is what gets me.

No. 2252621

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>>2252571
>>2252587
She’s not referring to “cultural appropriation” kek, she’s referring to how people exploit the trauma of other groups. Like moids who make shock value art of women being tortured/abused by men for some “message”.
Even if she wasn’t as articulate about her criticism, I sympathize with her. Arabs are shitting on the artist in qrts and I get the message, but it makes sense they’d be pissed at a drawing of garfield next to a dead torture victim. Anons understand how palestine burn victim ocs and “draw your comfort character with a watermelon/flag” art comes off tasteless so surely you can understand the upset with this, involving an actual person’s dead body?
The artist is not that deep, she’s just a cringelord who tries hard to seem smarter and more insightful than she really is. Though, drawing a Garfield meme and copy pasting “you are not immune to propaganda” over a war crime photo is about the level of satire I expect from a typical zoomer.

No. 2252638

>>2252621
First AYRT, I don't disagree and find it distasteful myself, I just find this reaction a bit strange as people have been making similar content and messaging about real dead Palestinians and drawing fanart of them bloodied or otherwise injured and AFAIK that's gotten zero to little backlash. I know Iraq and Palestine are different circumstances but in my experience with people on and offline a lot of them consider it almost the same because they know fuck all about it (though maybe I just draw in retards so I have some blue car bias)

No. 2252639

>>2252621
>drawing a Garfield meme and copy pasting “you are not immune to propaganda” over a war crime photo is about the level of satire I expect from a typical zoomer.
? Kek, she drew the whole thing nonna, she didn't just redraw a meme and put it on a photo. Why make it sound like she just made a collage?

No. 2252644

>>2252639
Yes I misspoke lol, I already said she redrew it here >>2252443. Forgive me for forgetting to add a couple words again clarifying she redrew a photo of a dead person.

No. 2252660

>>2252644
Tbh it's a part of news media/history and not some random gore photo someone posted/reposted for some fetish on rotten.com, so it doesn't seem that strange to me. I've even seen art of the one haunting photo of the man being forced to stand on a box, though obviously without the more overt "propaganda" message/meme.
I don't even think it's satire.

No. 2252726

>>2252443
i think there was no way people would've been ok with this but the soldier front and center, the dead body with the traumacore text on top and garfield don't particularly help to make the piece seem tasteful/respectful even if the message is clear

No. 2252775

>>2251697
So what I'm hearing is that manufacturing these things in America is going to be a sound business venture soon?

No. 2252859

>>2252726
The traumacore text is discreet enough that it's mildly tolerable (if extremely cringy), and the soldier front and center connects to the idea of propaganda and focusing on the US gov hiding it's crimes or whatever. The huge Garfield head that only makes sense if you've spent a certain amount of time online is what makes it look like a shitpost, and the tryhard cryptic comments add it a flair of pretentiousness and turbo retardation and make it questionable why she wouldn't just add a comment explaining Abu Ghraib to spread awareness and make her political message actually work with her audience. Those two things seem to be what the quote tweet has a stronger issue with.
Spoiler because I don't mean to shit on that anon, but the meme Garfield head reminds me of that anon on the rate your art thread that was allergic to empty space so she slapped a bunch of random thematically related memes on top of the drawing and made the drawing look unnecessarily retarded
>i hate her
>you are not immune to propaganda
What did she mean by that, though? Kek, she got so deep into the tryhard LARP that she accidentally defended the US army in a post that is supposed to be about Abu Ghraib being bad. Unless she means that the commenter is attributing blame to a single person rather than the whole system, but that would be a weirdly profound point for such a retardedly executed idea and spergy copy paste response

>>2252638
I get your point and somewhat agree, but I don't think I've seen Palestine fanart slap in internet memes like this followed by the artist doing a bunch of schizo cryptic comments instead of giving context. Usually that type of Palestine fanart is done for "awareness" or to share some specific GFM. The cryptic LARP makes it look like a random attention whore stunt.
In any case, a lot of the Palestine fanart trends (especially/mostly the "here's my FotM blorbo eating watermelon" kind) were/are weirdly disconnected from any actual Palestinian artists my tinfoil is that Palestinian artists willingly don't call the weird tone deaf stuff out because it's more effort than it's worth so they just let the westerners be retarded on their own. Notice how the person in the quote tweet is actually Iraqi.

No. 2252913

can anyone share some yumejos they like on DAD? i looked around after seeing >>2229192
and i found one who is seriously cool and inspired me to start drawing again (especially on this site as it's just art instead of likes, follower count, etc).
i'd love to keep this motivation going and find more like-minded women because the yume artists on twitter are insufferable

No. 2253079

>>2248421
>>2248566
From "Free Palestine" to "Free my Palestinian oc uwu".

No. 2253123

>>2251697
I don't think the labor laws in the USA will be much better. But it's insane how they cry about this instead of, idk, branching out? Learning new skills? Googling 'plushie manufacturers in my area' and going from there? I do understand that money's tight and cheap overseas labor makes a huge difference in their profits- but that's why they need to understand that conventions and Etsy are not meant to be full time jobs.
It's so dramatic. Boohoo, paper bookmarks and shitty laminated keychains! God forbid they pick up a screenprinting kit and make totes, or learn to sew a straight stitch on a secondhand machine and use free online patterns to make character plushes. Did resin stop existing? Are they too trans and disabled to use sticker paper and a printer? Is Cricut too inaccessible for the smooth brained con artist crowd? Fuck's sake.
This is going to be a fantastic way to cull the really shit artists. And I predict that resin will make a comeback in a big way, and Cricut will release a new machine that can cut thick acrylic for keychains and standees, there's going to be huge demand for that.

No. 2253210

>>2253123
On the acrylic keychain thing, I saw a glowforge or whatever the fuck it's called at Michael's that could do that and more. It cost over a grand but I imagine there could be a myriad of things artists could do with it other than keychains that could help them recoup their costs. It would be cool to see some artists design their own room boxes using their own art for the graphical stuff. They could have them themed to different series and characters. I know room boxes are all the rage right now. You could make nearly everything for the kit using a printer, cricut or cameo, and a glowforge. Expensive as fuck, but I know that some of these artists would drop over a grand to have plushies and bags created from their designs, so I feel the more well off ones have options in regards to more commercial looking products. I wonder if you could use the glowforge to cut fabric for plushies even.

No. 2253268

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Someone posted this screenshot of Ami insulting their favorite artist kek, any idea who this could be? She looks like such an asshole in this screenshot lmao, but I want to know if there’s something up with the other artist for her to act that way.

No. 2253274

>>2253268
Samefag forgot to mention, this interaction happened in 2022 and was posted to the artist’s story(learn to delete)

No. 2253298

Do you all use the same alias when posting your art to different sites? Is your decision dependent on the specific site?

No. 2253307

File: 1731205763414.png (7.24 MB, 2224x1621, xipr1g9nugy91.png)

Is referencing poses like Araki does here a bad thing to do? I am still a beginner obviously and this is pretty much what I'm doing right now. I've seen people say to use multiple reference poses but I find that difficult to do because I feel like things get somewhat mis-matched and I end up unconsciously concentrating mainly on one pose anyway.

No. 2253603

>>2253307
Obviously not

No. 2253610

>>2252471
>a post about SM, don't read and talk about exhibited artists
>solipsistic, nonnie is surely attacking my faves and my taste
>she knows nothing i do (oohhh! i'm assoooming!!), name drop a bunch
>feel better someone about someone disagreeing over the internet
man this board is unusable sometimes.

No. 2253622

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Looks like more artists are being vocal about hating generic anime FOTM factory-made merch from “small artists” too. The tariffs and >>2251697 led to a lot of discourse on ethics and now artists are more openly divided.

No. 2253628

>>2248566
Looking forward to slice of life holocaust chibi oc's next.

No. 2253636

>>2253628
im pretty sure it exists already…somewhere out there..

No. 2253659

>>2253298
No way, I learnt from lolcow that it is not a good thing to do on the off chance someone is bent on combing through your online footprint. I go as far as only posting one drawing on a specific account and nowhere else because of reverse image search.
>>2253610
I'm sorry for being a pissy twat, I didn't get any sleep and attacked the first mildly annoying post like the retard I am. The gallery world right now works exactly like social media though, you have to have a marketable personality and follow the trend of the month and all the nonartists involved act like they're on tumblr. So my point is that the ecosystem is about the same and so beautifully made vent art and cringey faux deep navel gaze bullshit seems to just be inherent to specific personalities of people who create. I think I brought up Louise Bourgeois because she was right in the middle and is also one of the more famous "vent artists". Reminder to myself to stop being a tard and have a normal sleep schedule.

No. 2253671

>>2253659
Are you posting severely political or controversial art or something? Otherwise I cannot see the purpose of covering your online tracks like this. I do respect the effort though, it's important for artists to keep themselves safe online. I'm baffled at how some artists overshare way too much. It's far easier to cyberbully someone when they have a list of mental illnesses and triggers on their caard lmao

>>2253628
I'm so baffled no one has made a callout post or something for this artist yet. I guess tumblrites have collectively lobotomised themselves. I'm very excited for when people start mocking this shit openly and proudly, which I think might happen in a year or so.

No. 2253680

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If you're gonna aim to be a showrunner you're gonna have to cope.

No. 2253683

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>>2253680
>i am so twamatised boohoo
ohh i cant wait for the future milk this cows gonna make.

No. 2253692

>>2253671
Nah, just paranoid. I make very normal art, it's very comforting to know I could just DFE a account with no major loss if need be.
>>2253680
She definitely needs to get over it or she's not going to handle the audience she'll attract once the pilot/series is out.

No. 2253697

>>2253671
So do you use the same usernames?

No. 2253708

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No. 2253710

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>>2253680
ive had a long time vendetta against this fag since 2020 back before her kakyoin got racebended and was a drawn as a dainty uwu twink that unleashed a plague of orbiters churning out yaoi dimorphism creatures of different jjba characters in her art style. she had this fucking coming for her and i hope she feels regret ever getting into jojo. eat fucking shit.

No. 2253713

>>2253622
Personally I think the overall conversation is stupid as if any small business (art or not) doesn't use 'cheap Chinese labor!111!!!!'.
That said, I can only imagine how awful the average fancomic would be in the western sphere. I can almost guarantee it'll be 90% those totally deep vent comic types we've seen going around lately. Preferably about gender.

People celebrating the tarrifs' possible effects on artist alley's have't considered yet that nobody is going to be willing to actually pay for the costs needed to even break even. I'm not sure I'd "love" to see AA's just be entirely rushed prints again.

No. 2253735

>>2253659
it's ok nonnie let's forgive eachother ! i've been a pissy twat on here as well. she's not who i was talking about, and you're right it's a personality thing. i guess it's my problem if i choose to follow self-ventered who are otherwise skilled.

No. 2253736

>>2253307
This is how you draw, nona. You're supposed to reference a pose. I've never done more than one pose, myself, unless it's two separate people.

No. 2253745

>>2253671
NYART but I love RPF and making historical OCs that often have problematic political implications so I take similar precautions to ayrt, you never know when one of your followers will snap and make a call out kek

No. 2253793

>>2253307
Anon, literally every old master painter used people to pose for them and just copied what they saw in real life. It's no different than you copying (Not tracing) from a picture. It's great that artists now can come up with poses from memory but usually painting involved referencing a lot.

No. 2253874

>>2253307
If you think that studies and references are bad, you need to stop going on art twitter. Don't let your art go to shit because of what seething tweens are screaming into the void.
>>2253622
>>2253713
I'm really curious to see how this impacts art styles and themes actually. I can't see gendies selling their oversharing traumacore zines and eye-searing fanart to anyone outside their immediate friend group, and they won't have easy access to the same plastic tat to pad out their table with, so their sales will suffer. It's easy to make ugly art palatable by shrinking it into a charm and slapping glitter resin and holographic film on top, but now that's not an option. You don't need any sort of creativity to draw a smiling/winking FOTM chibi and slap it on a keychain. I foresee a return of smiling/winking kawaii food items and moeblob art, because it requires the same level of skill to create.
The porn ban could lead to a blessed reprieve from the Nemu-tier prints that have plagued AAs for years. I have no clue how many American print services operate out of America vs out of Chinese factories owned by the company, so that might drive up prices substantially even for cheap items like prints. If artists have to use local print places, and need to physically interact with another human to obtain their prints, I can also see that changing the sort of art that they make. I've seen so much blatant fetish art and softcore porn proudly displayed at AAs and labelled SFW that it's obvious that the artists have lost touch with reality, maybe that extra human interaction is what they need to relearn boundaries.
Who knows, maybe all this upheaval will lead some TIFs to draw decent, non-gendie, non-watermelon art of their yaoi husbandos, and the sudden uptick in sales will encourage them to stop competing for the Ugliest Art Of The Year award, and everyone will be happy because they won't be jumpscared by drooling hijabi zippertit acne Gojo in a trans flag strapon. I'll be happy if the tariffs stop the same FOTM tat being churned out and encourages artists to branch out into older series or original work, or at least makes them branch out into different types of merch.

No. 2253918

>>2232937
i'm interested.

No. 2254197

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Nonnas, my new tablet is coming in the mail but I need an art program. I can't continue drawing husbandos after ibis shat the bed. Is there any way to get CPS and adobe for cheap (wink)? I'm already dropping 500$ on a HUION!

No. 2254260

>>2253622
>I say that as someone who also sells acrylic charms currently
Then you're also part of the problem, hypocrite.

No. 2254264

>>2254197
CSP goes on sale every now and then, I'd say just wait for it.

No. 2254265

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Is there any way to get these comics now?? I hadn’t been on social media much for most of the year, so I didn’t find about this fair until recently.

No. 2254266

>>2254197
Clip Studio Paint often goes on sale and the price gets pretty accessible. With holiday season near I think it's just a matter of time until the next sale comes.

No. 2254271

How do you deal with follower loss when drawing something that isn't up to their taste(drawing sex when you have sex repulsed followers, drawing men when you have lesbian followers, so on and so forth)? Maybe I'm just paranoid but my bsky exploded and now I have all these people who I won't wanna show my content to.

No. 2254277

>>2254271
I just don't really care and keep posting what I want. If these people aren't going to stick with me for the content I usually make, then I'm not interested in them. They'll leave one way or another unless you go out of your way to pander to them.

No. 2254283

>>2254197
CSP should go on sale sometime at the end of this month for 6 days. It'll be like 20 bucks. Fuck around on krita until then

>>2254271
Make a new account that's only for one thing if you're really scared of getting low numbers. But it genuinely doesn't matter. Likes and follows are actually meaningless

No. 2254285

>>2254271
if it's something like nsfw maybe you could make a separate account, but if it's simply drawing men when people want to see women i'd keep that on main and take the loss.

No. 2254350

>>2254197
Pirate Paint Tool Sai

No. 2254390

>>2254350
Well yeah I was trying to hint I wanted a pirating tutorial but I have no clue if that is allowed here, it isn't /ic/

No. 2254398

>>2254265
Sometimes the artists sell them personally. As someone who bought last year though be warned most of these are turbo gendie and or glorified yaoi.

No. 2254435

>>2252358
Why is every artist "queer and disabled". I saw the fallout of the election and suddenly like 5 different posts appeared from artists mentioning how "queer and disabled" they are and how we have to support and give them money kek. It's like those two words go together when you don't really encounter that many disabled people irl, much less queer AND disabled

No. 2254453


No. 2254503

>>2254390
Go to r/piracy and look up Paint Tool Sai

No. 2254521

>>2254435
Because if you migraines sometimes and have short hair as a woman ( the reverse for men) that qualifies as disability and queerness kek

>>2254390
For SAI, download the legit version and then apply the crack (https://github.com/tututu-patch/saicrack). Most already-cracked Sai downloads have small viruses because they got spread from person to person since 2012 Deviantart, but if you apply the automated crack yourself you will get a clean install.
Still, I recommend CSP like that nona above said it will get discounted to just $25 soon and is a single payment, it's super worth it.

No. 2254584

>>2254521
Thank you very much! I almost cried because procreate was pure garbage ass. Also If I get a cracked CSP it will not work with brushes, right? I’ll be willing to shell out for it then, but if brushes work pirated then they won’t get a red cent from me. I heard they were getting rid of one time payment and it made me mad, even though I never used it before.

No. 2254718

>>2254435
It's always autism, and maybe bpd attention seeking, mostly autism with a dash of adhd.

No. 2254733

>>2254521
I've been using SAI since 2012 (kek) and I just gotta ask, is CSP really that good? The main thing that keeps me glued to Sai is the awesome stabilizer. I'll admit that I rely on the stabilizer to create crisp smooth lines because my hand just isn't steady enough to make them without. I see that CSP is the new "it" thing when it comes to inking and coloring software but I figured why should I stop using a program that works just fine.
But I'm curious if CSP really is better than Sai and I'm missing out on something.

No. 2254742

>>2254390
Don't listen to everyone, pirate CSP, it is incredibly easy to do so.

No. 2254748

File: 1731280321892.png (7.23 MB, 3000x2633, michaelpettenson.png)

yeah sure, you are not like the other girls. we get it.

No. 2254755

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>>2254748
the artwork anon was referring to is most likely this one

No. 2254762

>>2254733
i switched from sai to csp and then back to sai solely because the stablilizer was so amazing. csp has a ton of cool features, brushes and textures you can download for free and i loved the timelapse feature, but other than that i don't really miss it and my sketching and line art wasn't near as good as it was with sai because the stabilizer is just that damn good. i can't tell if it's because my laptop is a potato though. i found csp more convenient for coloring and it was a lot more convenient but otherwise i would not go back. and yes if you want to test it out pirate it KEK it's available for free on internet archive

No. 2254783

>>2254584
Yeah you will miss a lot if you use pirated CSP as you can't use their shop, but you should be able to install beushes if you got their files and your CSP version is compatible with it, bur barely anyone shares them as the shop is easier to distribute them.

On 1-time payments, they haven't gone anywhere. They just did a weird business decision and you can buy two different licenses: Perpetual (1-time payment, won't receive updates) and Subscription (montly/yearly payment, receives updates).
So you can just buy the perpetual 3.0, which includes all the updates from 1.11 to the initial 3.0.
I'm still on 1.11 (the last they made before the change) and it has all I need and more, so you aren't missing anything by buying 3.0 instead of the subscription.

No. 2254786

>>2254733
I switch between using both SAI and CSP due to how different the two brush engines feel to me. Lately I've been drawing in SAI2 and using CSP to make corrections when I'm done. Off the top of my head:
>lines feel more stabilized by default compared to SAI when making quick sketches. SAI lets you be more loose or messy with your lines (though I prefer this a lot of the time)
>gradient maps (fun to use to adjust colors in an appealing way)
>mesh transform, liquify
>easily download tons of interesting brushes and assets
>you can configure the icons in the toolbars and move around the tool palettes compared to SAI where you're bound to everything pretty much being in the same place apart from left/right
>dark mode (there's also a paid SAI mod for this iirc)
>enclose and fill
>layer settings feel more intuitive
>other QOL stuff like line width, converting brightness > opacity, built-in reference window, configuring shortcuts for multi-step actions
I don't really know about the animation or comic settings because I don't use them. Still, SAI brushes are really recognizable imo because of how they rely on textures. They have a unique look that I enjoy using

No. 2254805

>>2254786
>dark mode (there's also a paid SAI mod for this iirc)
https://github.com/NotBoogie/SaiThemeColorChanger

No. 2254823

>>2254805
bless you nona

No. 2254845

>>2254783
>Yeah you will miss a lot if you use pirated CSP as you can't use their shop
Yes, you can.

No. 2254893

>>2254845
I’m OP, explain! Which avenue would I go for it?

No. 2254927

Nonas, how do you cope with your follower number not translating to Bluesky? I have 5k followers on Twitter and my art gets fairly good traction in the fandom I'm in, but as I made a Bluesky account only 300 of those followers showed up in there and my art's traction is…definitely weaker. I know I shouldn't be thinking so much about numbers but I spent so many years building up those 5K that when I saw the amount I got in Bluesky I got fucking sad and with the amount of people leaving Twitter I'm dreading having to start from scratch and throw the numbers and stats I worked so hard for in the trash.

No. 2254953

>>2254271
Unironically have separate accounts IF you're interested in selling commissions, I've spent hundreds on commissions but I never had patience for mixed bag accounts, it comes across as disrespectful to the potential customer who is expected to just put up with anything because they're just a follower. Consider each account a "brand" that specialises in one genre because put it this way: if you sold cars would you put vintage cars on the same page as sports cars? Or would you create a new page to sell vintage cars separate to sports cars so you steer your two audiences into the right lanes? Because sports car fanatics may look at vintage cars and think they're boring oldie trash that are not on par with their beloved sports cars, and vintage car enthusiasts may see sports cars as loud abominations built for retards who like to show off. People see art in the same way. Even nonnas here hate all gendie art yet I've known of some gendies to rake in 3-5k a month on patreon after all the fees which unironically made me seethe kek.

However if you're not interested in selling commissions, just post what you want so it naturally drives away the wrong audience and attracts the right one. Lesbians who don't wanna see men and sex repulsed followers will live. Worst that can happen is you get blocked and complained about in a discord group chat.

An option is lightly introduce yourself in a new post and your bio like "Hi I'm So-and-so and I draw [interest #1, interest #2, and interest #3]" so followers know what they're signing up for and won't get any nasty surprises, and any followers with 2 brain cells who ask "will you draw XYZ?" won't be shocked or can't say you didn't warn them when you respond "no. check bio." Also if you receive harassment, you can always just block them AND their followers, a method that worked for the JP and KR artists who got harassed by "american feelings mafia" anti/pro discourse accounts kek. Anyway hope you have fun on bsky nonna and make some nice friends.

No. 2254998

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No. 2255052

anyone have any tips on how to deal with stalkers?? I have a few really persistent ones, some spanning even as far as 6 years ago. I admit that knowing people are looking at me with dagger eyes and intensity like that, that it’s hard to post online and enjoy myself as I usually would. You never know when they’re going to snap and harass you again, or try to instigate some inflammatory shit. I feel like if it wasn’t my fear of people who have been super weird to me, I’d be way more successful.

No. 2255054

>>2250898
On the contrary, she makes the same mistake as most illiterate Spanish-speaking zoomers nowadays. The internet/social media has made people dumber and unable to write correctly.

No. 2255149

>>2253874
>stop going on art twitter
Honestly it was Japanese youtube comments saying that what Araki does is plagiarism that made me worry

No. 2255545

>>2254845
Nvm then kek
Before purchasing it I used a cracked version for years, but anything that required connected to their servers didn't work.

No. 2255549

>>2255052
I wish I knew what motivated freaks like this

No. 2255553

>>2255149
NTA, but from what I remember, Japanese artists are incredibly triggered by artists copying poses, they see it on the same level as tracing.

No. 2255560

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>once followed this really skilled lesbian french artist who was a Gobelins student
>suddenly she disappeared in 2020
>Came across her new account, but her style has totally changed (recognized her from her oc and old art she posted. And I found a comment from her mentioning her old handle)
>she doesn’t enjoy art anymore
>she was bullied into quitting art school (Gobelins)
>She joined the school at 17 years old, surrounded by ~24 year old students
>Classmates made fun of her art, made memes mocking her, spread rumors about her, and stalked her socials
>When she was 17, older men in industry, including a famous french animation creator, would hit on her
>after she tif’d out, job offers from creepy animation moid stopped
>When she was 17, grown men spoke on discord about wanting to have a GF like her
>they mocked her tweets and she got harassed on curiouscat
>stress and depression led her to crash and burn in first year, she worked harder to prove herself but nobody wanted to be in groups with her
>she dropped out of school, cut ties with industry, and quit art for a while
>has no passion for art anymore
>her latest comic has lines like “ty transmasculinity for teaching me the love of belly rolls and happy trails” and “i failed as a woman and was rewarded so well”
This depressed me so bad, this girl was failed by everyone around her. I’m glad she’s out of there, but what the fuck. I’ve never been to an art school but this sounds like a nightmare. Is this environment typical of art students or just the ones in “prestigious” schools? There must be more who were harmed. Gobelins gets worshipped so much and has all this prestige, something sinister is going on. But maybe french people have been more vocal about it. I wish we knew the names of those moids and classmates, and they’d get what they deserve. But in reality if news like this about Gobelins spread far, she’d be the one facing harassment. Fuck this shit world

No. 2255562

>>2255052
it depends on the situation anon, I blocked mines everywhere and they finally left me alone, but I am lucky enough they don't live in my country and can't just call my number or something. Do you feel a public callout would incite them more?
>>2255549
I know this might sound insane but all my stalkers were on the spectrum. They like to refuge online. You know how autistic people are known for their special interest? Sometimes a random real person becomes their hyperfixation

No. 2255563

>>2255562
This. It's always autism and/or BPD.

No. 2255568

>>2255560
My condolences

No. 2255571

>>2255560
France is notorious for very low quality men so this isn't surprising

No. 2255573

Any advice for getting rid of artblock? I can't fucking finish anything and I'm fed up.

No. 2255574

>>2255560
who is she?

No. 2255585

>>2255571
Yeah I wasn’t surprised by the behavior of older moids, but the behavior of her classmates in general. I would expect better from 20-somethings to be nicer to a kid(in person at least, I know they’re more likely to be vicious online) but they started bullying a 17 year old on her first day there? I guess her being their classmate affected the dynamics, they couldn’t stand seeing a teenager on the same level as them. I no longer have sympathy for adults who get jealous of young talented artists

No. 2255599

>>2255560
Who is she? It's not ubiquitous but not surprising either, sadly. There are lots of women in french animation classes but they have to coexist with a certain percentage of smegma-ridden moids so you can end up with a class that's 1/3rd unwashed coomers with a boys club mentality. Like >>2255585 said it's probably also caused by her young age. Animation is full of predatory men who can't act normally around younger women, generally speaking.

No. 2255613

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i need your help anons. i feel like i'm going insane.
are these drawn by the same person?? because i'm pretty sure they are but there's no solid proof of that except for near identical artstyle.
both are irish, both study animation. bogthonnach has been around for a while (keeps changing usernames and DFEing to put her art behind a paywall on gumroad) while vnllbn started posting just last year. both follow eachother on instagram. their drawings of themselves look like completely different people

links:
https://www.instagram.com/bogthonnach
https://x.com/iarmha1reacht (privated)
https://vnllbn.carrd.co/
please aid me in my investigation. do you see it or is it just me

No. 2255641

>>2255613
I see what you mean but the handwriting is a bit different between the two. Maybe it's their local irish version of tumblr art slop

No. 2255670

Nonas I need your help. I have decided to try to post my art on social media. I mostly drew male oc's and I'd say my art isn't bad (though I draw in an a niche art style, its retro leaning like brujo aris). So far I only have 20 followers on insta (for the 3 years ive been on though not consistent), I've decided to draw more fanart from now on but the thing is I don't really "watch" trendy shows and the things I would like to draw aren't very correlated. I guess I will heavily market my art style as the forefront of my brand. Any strategies to boost the numbers, if I need to fake it till I make it that is fine too. Also Ive given up on twitter so I have bluesky instead.

No. 2255691

>>2255054
fair point nonita. she's just retarded then

No. 2255712

>>2255553
What do they do then?

No. 2255747

>>2254748
i always felt she copied some better Japanese artist and it looks like i found who https://x.com/anniwal2/media

No. 2255792

>>2255670
Since you want to market your retro art style, these are some I think of:
>Fake screencaps of OCs
>Fake game screencaps especially
>Retro media studies for colour palette, art style or whatnot
>your OCs with pokemon
>Magazine layouts featuring your OCs
>fake gameboy cover/vinyl/CD of your original art
Honestly, I think the best way to build an audience is to somewhat insert yourself into a popular media first. I'd choose something like pokemon. Establish your OCs in said media, put your OCs in interesting situations or settings that will shows the character's depth, personality or backstory. I would then slowly reintroduce them back into their original universes. This is just what I think tbh, good luck nona.

No. 2255796

>>2255641
oh i didn't even think about handwriting haha
>Maybe it's their local irish version of tumblr art slop
idk anon, even their brushes and coloring styles are the same. vnllbn looks like a less skilled version of bogthonnach to me. she has a similar way of drawing faces, hair and clothing but more boring and bland composition

No. 2255807

>>2255792
Wow thanks nona! This is a great list I owe you one

No. 2255879

>>2255792
I wish best for Nonna but my god do I see all of this all the time now because of brujo Ari

No. 2255892

>>2255562
It’s kind of funny you mention that because one of the people who’s hardcore stalking me is very autistic, and (from their claims) selectively mute. I think bringing attention to it would be worse because I know this person actively gets off on attention and has done this to multiple artists/people they’ve known in the past. An outsider can look at that and just laugh it off like “oh what an autistic fucking sperg that person is” but I don’t have that attitude it’s completely different when you’re just trying to share your art and people act like sociopaths towards you. It’s not funny or entertaining to me at all and it feels like emotional blackmail

No. 2256258

>>2255796
it's possible they know each other and one is copying the other

No. 2256263

>>2255792
>Fake game screencaps especially
nta but can you show an example of what this means? it sounds fun

No. 2256323

>>2256258
Nayrt I’ve seen this happen, either friendly artists or mutuals who copy the other.

No. 2256411


No. 2256420

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>>2256263
There are lots of exampls of this on @thegamesarefake on Twitter that usually feature lowpoly 3d style/fake rpg screenshots. They have a lot of followers too so you can submit your concept to them. The idea is quite fun itself.

No. 2256553

Anyone have problems with their chosen medium? I use ink, pen and brush, but I've atarted to think it's not good for the kinds of things I want to draw or the direction I want to take my atule in general. I'm a comicsfag though and prefer traditional media so I'm locked in to it. I've tried watercolor and pastels and both were nightmares to work with, which us sad brcause I like how both look when theyre actually done well. I dont really have the space to experiment with mediums right now either. I'm just getting sick of ink.

No. 2256558

>>2256420
Can we have a general artist thread so we can have threads full of this instead of retarded nothingburger Twitter drama? I'd love discussing art ideas, inspiration maps, trends, good books to study, so on. Do we have a thread like that already?

No. 2256564

>>2256558
newfag, this thread is for both

No. 2256570

>>2254927
Check out some big artists and compare their numbers between bluesky and twitter, maybe that'll make you feel better. Shit that would get 60k+ likes on twitter is getting max 3k on bluesky because no one uses that site. Just stop posting there if it upsets you and wait until twitter actually collapses. You should be glad that you just started a new account and already pull some numbers. Just imagine starting completely fresh without any audience and what posting for 0-5 likes would feel like.


>>2256553
Why do you think you're locked in? You can just do something else, it's not like anyone will get mad at you or something. Just think about the look you want and how to achieve it. If it was me I'd just switch to digital to cut down on time and material costs.

No. 2256585

>>2254197
>after ibis shat the bed
what happened? haven't used ibis in more than half a year

No. 2256609

>>2256564
>n-newfag
it really isn't though, it's dominated by petty nonsense. it'd be nice to have a drama-free thread.

No. 2256611

>>2256609
This is a drama board.

No. 2256613

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>>2256585
Basically Ibis stopped working for me, some type of loss. I had about 500 different canvases saved as I was using it almost very week. Since 4th grade! One day I opened a canvas and it gave me an error message and kicked me out. And every old or new canvas I opened, the art would delete and I would be kicked out. I wasn’t sad, just nostalgic. But now that I’m getting back into art to draw Naoya and Gojo having hot gay sex, I feel like I should graduate from Firealpaca and get a better art program to go with my graduation from an iPad .

No. 2256621

>>2253710
You’re literally me nonnie, I’ve had a vendetta against her for a full year now. I pray every day her show gets harpooned with drama by some random troon she hired to animate in betweens and the whole thing is a bigger shit show than hazbin

No. 2256654

>>2256558
what's stopping you from making one?

No. 2256657

>>2256558
we have one in m already, lurk more newfag

No. 2256665

>>2256609
>>2256558
I agree with you tbh

No. 2256755

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>>2256558
Create the change you want, this thread was always for drama and only changed to include dicussion about art and artists that weren't milk or salt related around thread 15 or so, and focused more on that in the past year and a half. Also we do talk about those topics you've mentioned and have done so in the past, or do it in the /m/ thread. I wouldn't suggest making a brand new thread because we already have a lot of art related threads already (this thread, art you like, post art for nonnies to rate, ms paint doodles, request art, the short-lived oc request thread, etc.) and we don't need more bloat, just if you want to see those topics more you should post about it more itt. Sometimes anons need prodding to bring up certain things they wouldn't on their own.
Also speaking of threads can the next anon to make the new thread please fix my mistake in both the thread title and OP, seeing the two different painting titles makes my eyes well with embarrassment.

No. 2256756

>>2256665
i also agree, i don't give a shit about the drama bs. squabbling about it takes time away from actually drawing, that's why so many art drama youtubers are pretty mediocre or even bad at it kek

No. 2256757

>>2256613
Damn I only use ibis, this makes me scared.

No. 2256768

>>2256755
Nah I second having a non salt thread

No. 2256771

>>2256756
But browsing image boards and asking the same 3 questions that are answered in the OP isnt wasting time?

No. 2256773

>>2256771
There's more art related questions you could ask than the ones you see being answered in the OP to be fair

No. 2256774

>>2256773
I doubt there is a question left that hasnt been answered in 60 threads, newfags need to lurk moar. Its always the same retarded questions that can easily be answered by googling, or that can only be answered if they post their art, which you fags wont because the /m/ thread is dead.

No. 2256788

>>2256773
I remember when anons would ask at least twice every thread whether drawing porn or furry art for commissions is guaranteed good money. Now it's every two or three threads but it's still the exact same question. I think some things could be answered by lurking, and if anons brought up new questions I'm sure they'd be answered.

>>2256768
I mean you can try, just ime those threads die pretty fast and anons will come back to posting in this thread anyways. That's why post your art had been a pretty dead thread until very recently and why non salt was allowed in here in the first place. Again, post what you want to see, I'm sure there's anons who are ready sperg about a topic they feel awkward bringing up themselves like me

No. 2256797

>>2256788
It's always the same questions
>how do i get better
just draw
>what books should i pick
it's in the op
>is [insert medium/program/book] any good?
literally just google
>how do i get big on instagram/shitter?
draw fanart, git gud, pander to zoomies with memes
>how do i make money off art?
you cant
>how do i get over artblock
just draw

It's so fuckign obnoxious, at least the drama is goofy and chill but seeing anons ask the same retarded question for the 24515th time is so tiring. They know they are wasting time, when they could just google if they actually wanted answers.

No. 2256802

>>2256797
I just think it'd be nice to see more art inspiration such as >>2255792 and more people sharing resources. The OP could include your questions and mods can just redtext people who didn't read the OP…

No. 2256803

>>2256797
The discussions stemming from recent questions have been somewhat interesting but yeah, I'm not sure how people are surprised when anons become more invested in drama when topics get so cyclical. There needs to be better questions at least.

No. 2256808

>>2256802
agreed also there are a ton of avenues to make money off your art lmao. even a fotm slop artist can make money though it's way harder if you don't draw porn. i found the loomis sperging upthread pretty funny and the discussion more interesting than screeching about pumpkin destiny2moon for the billionth time

No. 2256810

>>2256774
This isn't /ic/, who cares if they ask shit again?

No. 2256814

>>2256802
>sharing resources
you can find anything you want either on /ic/ or on online courses dot club.
>I just think it'd be nice to see more art inspiration
anons need to learn to come up with their own ideas we cant hand-hold them forever, it's also very unlikely they will actually draw most people come here to ask questions to get their dopamine receptors fed then go do nothing at all

No. 2256815

>>2256810
They can do it, that's why this thread exist. But we dont need another one to answer the same fucking questions over and over, from what i have seen from the /m/ draw thread all anons need to shitpost less and draw more.

No. 2256816

This thread
>Just use this thread to ask questions and talk about art!
Also this thread
>Just don't ask any question ever!! Fucking lurk!!
Ok then kek

No. 2256817

>>2256815
Imo if some anons want it, they can make it, nobody is stopping them. The rest can continue using this thread

No. 2256819

>>2256814
God you sound miserable
>/ic/
explains it all

No. 2256821

>>2256816
We both know anons only ask questions to waste time. Otherwise they would use google or just find out themselves. When i was a begginer i wasted so much time asking retarded questions on /ic/ to get dopamine from responses instead of actually drawing, so its funny annoying anons that dont lurk feel like they are above what this site is for(drama) and feel superior for spamming the thread with the same fucking questions.

No. 2256823

>>2256819
>ask for resources
>here is a page with resources
>no actually i dont want them
you guys just dont want to lurk you want anons to spoonfeed you like babies

No. 2256826

>>2256816
I'm sure there could be a middle ground between using this thread for discussion and also notvasking the same basic questions over and over.
Also if you scroll through both this and the past thread it has been 60% art discussion and 40% drama at most imo, so it is becoming less drama oriented over time.

No. 2256827

>>2256821
I doubt anons here are in any art related professional environment whatsoever but in the mere chance they would be, I think it's ok if some people come here and ask things about those things, no? I would love to see an animator, graphic designer, 3D modeling or a gallery artist anon answering shit that isn't necessarily related to "how to git gud" or "how to use x program". But maybe that's just me.

No. 2256828

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Might be a long shot but does anyone know anything about UrsulaDecayArt? She used to be quite popular and was getting some high profile comms like book covers and working for mattel and then suddenly dropped off the face of the earth, closed her patreon and everything. She talked sometimes about having a rough upbringing and living situation and it makes me a little worried she hasnt posted in almost 2 years.

No. 2256831

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>>2256827
Why would people who work on the industry waste time answering questions from begginers? you always have to take advice by people that dont post their work with a grain of salt, otherwise you end up like this nonny. poor nonny completly butchered her art and developed horrible drawing habits from listening to bad artists with bad advice. If you want art advice, the best thing you can do is post your art, answering the questions of someone who doesn't post their work makes no sense.

No. 2256833

I hate whenever someone comes in here to complain about the drama. It feels like bait and it felt like bait the last time it happened. If you don't like people pointing out cowish artists in the appropriate thread than go post in one of the art threads on m. There's a cute papercraft one that needs love, and all the infighting tards on rate my art could use some stimulating discussion. Or actually make the general thread instead of threatening it in this one.

No. 2256834

>>2256828
I've been wondering the same thing. I only followed her on twitter and tumblr so I don't know if she posted anything related to her leaving the internet.

No. 2256838

>>2256833
>Or actually make the general thread instead of threatening it in this one.
This

No. 2256839

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>>2256834
This is her last patreon post, she said she was busy with some work and would skip billing for that month but would come back the next one, then…nothing.
I thought it might have been some sort of Punziella situation but doesnt seem like it, she didnt have any open comissions or merch store to cause issues like that.

No. 2256840

>>2256827
>I doubt anons here are in any art related professional environment whatsoever
Well that's wrong as there at least one here kek some of us in the art industry do like to gossip too! Plus, the art industry is incredibly freaking woke and this is the only place I can vent about troons ruining art for me without risking my social standing

No. 2256841

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do any of you follow Taylor Morrison (Weopen) on instagram? i’m on the fence about him. some of his critiques are interesting, but some
of his takes are so moid based it makes me want to hate him. i can’t help but laugh that his art is complete shit too. why did he get so popular?

No. 2256843

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>>2256841
terrible art in question

No. 2256844

>>2256831
this "anon" doesn't just have bad art habits but also seems to be very tone deaf on the subject matter too. The fucks with the
>bros a rapist!! Laughing emojis
Shit isn't this the character who rapes a woman in the game hes from?

No. 2256845

>>2256843
>111k followers
>6 likes
embarassing, somehow we found a worse art critic than ethan becker and kooleen

No. 2256847

>>2256844
Edgelord TikTok humor.

No. 2256849

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>>2256831
That anon was retarded even by that thread's standards.

>>2256827
ot but if anyone itt is actually interested about gallery work I'd be happy to answer any questions as I know how they get curated and I can sperg about the current climate and critique.

>>2256843
Looks like the average modern artist to me, they're all about the process of art.

No. 2256850

>>2256845
Bots for sure

No. 2256851

>>2256844
We have anons who husbandofag for literal penguins in that thread, i think she's cringe but it's dumb to moralfag that hard about dumb husbandofag art

No. 2256855

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>>2256851
>husbandofagging for a canon rapist
We are reaching pickme levels that shouldnt be possible fucking bleak

No. 2256858

>>2256855
NTA but that kind of thing has been happening for decades. Why are you surprised?

No. 2256859

>>2256851
That thread is shit and is a huge circle jerk. It honestly shouldn't exist. Everyone on it is far too mentally ill to take criticism or advice.

No. 2256861

>>2256831
i don’t think she got advice from bad artists, i think “blank space” is what she remembers negative space being called. which is genuinely part of learning composition and how to layout your drawings. she just either misinterpreted it or didn’t understand they were saying your fan art of just a character awkwardly positioned with a blank background isn’t how to layout a piece, and were trying to tell her to position it in a more visually pleasing way or color the background in so it’s not just jarring #FFFFFF white.

No. 2256863

>>2256849
>ot but if anyone itt is actually interested about gallery work I'd be happy to answer any questions as I know how they get curated and I can sperg about the current climate and critique.
Oh yes please none! How DO they curated?

No. 2256864

>>2256859
I sometimes post there to self harm so you are correct

No. 2256866

>>2256849
Please go ahead I actually would love to know anything about it.

No. 2256868

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>>2256827
i worked as a graphic designer but it was industrial not marketing so i doubt nonitas wanna hear about the wonderful world of industrial machinery safety stickers, it was funny going back to art school for a post grad and everybody else had a background in marketing agencies and social media shit, i felt like even some teachers were looking down on me a bit.

No. 2256870

>>2256849
Nonna what field do you specifically work in? Are you a curator?

No. 2256871

>>2256858
I know that but atleast theyre not simping after rapists but a pink ball and a gangrene faced scrote he looks nothing the way she drew him kekk God damn maybe those ugly psyop thread nonas are unto something.regardless it seems like this particular anon has taken more advice from tiktards(especially the filling the negative space with zoomer adhd grabbing memes) than actually taking feedback from experienced artists.

No. 2256872

>>2256868
Hey I actually care. How was that experience like?

No. 2256873

>>2256861
Other zoomer artists on social media do the same thing, it's definitely a thing.

No. 2256874

>>2256868
How do you get a job in that? Is it local? Was it comfy?

No. 2256875

>>2256868
I would love to hear it nona!

No. 2256876

>>2256868
>>2256849
Actually interested in both so you will have to deliver

No. 2256877

>>2256868
nayrt but kek nona ily.
>felt even some teachers were looking down on me a bit
damn what did they do to lead to that feeling?

No. 2256896

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>>2256872
Experience was great, i was hybrid home office, id stay a day at home, go to the factory/office the next day, alternating mondays so id always stay at least two days at home, i didnt work on weekends. I worked mainly under the safety and security people but eventually got promoted to doing more "office" work like training materials and corporate powerpoints, it was all under NDA because i was working with sooper secret schematics for the machines they made and eventually their fiscal numbers, i even had a few meetings with the ceo himself which is kinda crazy looking back, he really liked a poster i made for a safety workshop and commended me on a zoom call lol
>>2256874
My hometown is very industry based with lots of mining and manufacturing, this place had a posting for a graphic design intern on like, indeed i guess? They didnt expect me to know anything about heavy machinery just to be good with adobe illustrator and manufacturing of print materials, and be personable, I eventually got promoted when the senior designer quit. My manager said they had problems filling the spot because it was the industrial zone region and most designers didnt want the longass commute to bumfuck nowhere factory but i didnt mind it too much. there was mango tree behind my "office" (a connex box retrofitted to be an office).
>>2256877
They'd usually ask around about what where we were professionally and what made us choose to go back to uni on this post grad program and whenever it was my turn they seem way less…enthused, because it didnt involve tiktok algorithms and shit lol i feel like my stickers and materials made much more of a positive difference than social media though, me and the safety team worked hard and we had one of the best rated production plants in the country in terms of accidents, we hit 1 million hours with no injuries whatsoever, not even a broken toe!

Sorry about using coomer zone zero to illustrate it just made me happy they had a heavy machinery industries faction lol, i eventually had to quit this job because i had the chance to move to america, my current career plan is when i get my work stuff sorted out to go work for the us air force, on heavy machinery and segway that into a defense industry career, i just really like the factory setting and workplace vibes, its all much more casual and chill but also requires much more responsibility.

No. 2256910

>>2256850
some bots no doubt, but quiet a considerable amount of people pay real money for his ‘critiques’

No. 2256912

>>2256896
>to go work for the us air force, on heavy machinery and segway that into a defense industry career, i just really like the factory setting and workplace vibes, its all much more casual and chill but also requires much more responsibility.
sounds fucking cool, good luck

No. 2256921

>>2256831
>>2256844
I saw that when it was posted and I honestly think that nonna is either a minor or barely over 18, because "slaping a bunch of retard memes all over to avoid blank space on a drawing that already has a colourful background and a close up headshot that only has one tiny corner of blank space" is something I can only image either an actual retard or a dumb teen that saw all the other zoom zooms do it would do. I tought the same as >>2256861 and that she probably heard some normal advice but completely misunderstood it in the wildest way possible.

No. 2256928

>>2256896
Nona thank you for your reply, I also live in the middle of nowhere, a factory town so to speak. Did they pay you as an intern? Most intern jobs aren't paid where I live. If it's ok to ask what country are you from?

No. 2256931

>>2256896
>when i get my work stuff sorted out to go work for the us air force, on heavy machinery and segway that into a defense industry career, i just really like the factory setting and workplace vibes, its all much more casual and chill but also requires much more responsibility.
Do you mean as a designer or perhaps something else? And, did you design and print the stickers yourself with the materials they provided or did you outsource the printing to some kind of place? How much of a volume are we talking about?

No. 2256934

>>2256896
Maybe this won't make sense, but did the place you work at create the heavy machinery? Or did they simply operate them?

No. 2256951

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Retarded tiffanies keep cowtipping. It's funny how she thinks that she's actually interesting enough to warrant a whole thread dedicated to her when most of her art is a mediocre copy of other artists that she's inspired by

No. 2256954

>>2256951
>he dawss weird schizoid art
lmao no one has ever said that about this retard, everyone shits on how ugly and tryhard it is and brings up her tracing

No. 2256960

>>2256951
Literal nobody,
also
>he

No. 2256975

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Why is she compaining about muh misgendering when she goes by all pronouns kek nobody's going to call you a heckin dood sincerely

No. 2256985

>>2256975
Funny how she avoided posting all the proof of her tracing. She's mad as fuck.

No. 2256988

>>2252439
Unironically one of the only thought provoking pieces of art I've seen on twitter, but more so due to the responses to it. It entirely summarizes the disconnect between responses to art in the real world and art as it is online. People have made shocking art since forever. Art is supposed to be provocative. People online are so used to posting and drawing the right things that they're forgetting the entire nature of drawing. And not to say that negative responses to the work don't matter, but they somehow work to make the art even stronger. It's an interesting political art piece and I hope people make more like this rather than the Palestinian OC or random anime girl holding watermelon.

No. 2256997

>>2256985
LMAOOO shes just bringing up the tracing in her stories once its pointed out shes trying to tip toe around it. shes lurking this thread like a hawk so much for being so cool and unbothered

No. 2256998

>>2256992
Holy shit thats my post, i am glad it hurt her in her big ass ego. Shes going to kill herself when she finds out at least 5 different people are laughing at her ugly ass art. Retarded zoomies dont know how imageboards work it seems.

No. 2256999

>>2256975
Narcissism is peaking hard if she thinks it's not the NLOG guro 3deep5u art

No. 2257001

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>>2256951
>>2256975
>im not worth the time baby
>LMAAAAAAOOOOOOOOO(totally not malding guiz!)
>um yukamans artwork looks nothing like mine!
>dont check it though
>but im fully original!
>post is from a month ago
>whenever she gets posted anon think its some other pixiv artist kek
also i have sinking suspicion she also self posted her own work here too since she seems like a attention whore so i wouldnt put past her, credit the Japanese artist you stole from you westoid troon or prepare your ass for a lawsuit from the Nipponese

No. 2257002

>>2256928
They paid above average for graphic designer due to the location + hazard pay from being in a factory, im originally from Argentina.
>>2256931
I designed them myself and we would print most vinyl ones in house, which i eventually also oversaw production but if we needed more specific materials like holographic or rubber ones we would order them from a manufacturer. Id say around 300 stickers a month?
>>2256934
Yes! We made the machines from scratch depending on our customers needs, i cant really say who or what they did but theyre pretty big companies from the southern american continent, we also operated some machines for one specific customer.
>>2256912
thank you!!

No. 2257007

>>2257002
youre such a cool person nona

No. 2257011

>>2257000
Shes such a narcissist, it's harmless wholesome referencing when she does it but stealing 111!!1! when someone takes inspiration from her unoriginal OCs. She's fucking exposing herself as an hypocrite to all her fans to see, so painfully retarded.

No. 2257015

>>2257011
>Shes such a narcissist
well she is a troon so that was to be expected

No. 2257019

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>backtracking when dealt with actual criticism
>"a little reference" and it's just a direct copy without anything interesting added except her do not steel ocs

No. 2257024

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>"unbothered"
>yet she has to put her input on every single mention relating to her from older threads

No. 2257037

>>2256951
>constantly
Not to side with her, but she gets posted a couple times every other month and is occasionally discussed when she spergs out about someone copying muh art style. Cowtipper-chan sounds like a vendettafag.
I hate when lolcow gets normie attention, now there's a bunch of people going around acting like they're so cool and hardcore for going on girl 4chan and they don't even know not to cowtip because they just really really want to casually humblebrag about going on the cool edgy website.

>>2256988
That's an interesting interpretation, but it's something that you would expect from an exposition piece on an actual exposition with modernist leaning made by a modernist painter with a portefolio filled with other provocative pieces. She's an online artist whose body of work is mostly her OCs being funny Y2K girls and just suddenly posted that out of nowhere with no context, which to most people would make it look like a dumb terminally online artist slapping a meme on a serious event instead of an "intentionally provocative piece about people's reaction to immoral actions" (and again, her doing an ARG LARP instead of giving context didn't help kek).
Has she even made any other political pieces like this before? Her posting that shortly after the election and then quickly accepting the criticism and deleting it when she got called out makes me think she's one of those libs that genuinely got mental breakdowns from the shock of Trump's win and was actually having a mini schizo moment.

No. 2257038

>>2257031
it's because the Garfield image specifically was a meme. it comes across as disingenuous

No. 2257039

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>>2257031
making art of tragedies is one thing but making mememy art of an actual war crime is different its like painting a auschwitz scene with anime girls and cute kawaii filters, youre not subverting anyones expectation by acting like a ass and minimizing the real horror of the act, context and the way the tragedy is portrayed matters as not to glorify the abuser or the criminal its basically this

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These are her asks from a few days ago. Apparently, you just have to guess what other niche artists in her circle she's inspired by, and she totally doesn't have to credit you cause they're just easter eggs teehee~~

No. 2257041

>>2257040
inspiration isn't something you need to credit for. people are such fucking narcissists

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No. 2257066

>>2257039
I deleted my post cause I think it was unclear. I don't think the Garfield art is wonderful or grand. I'm annoyed by the fact that they immediately assume the worst of this artist and ride her ass yet love fucking shitty Palestine support art of senshi from delicious dungeon giving Palestinians kids burritos or some shit. It just generally annoys me a lot. I feel if she drew something like this without including Garfield (from what I saw here it seems she's blurred the corpse) they would still just interpret the worst from it as it's dark and not at all pretty or cute. It's terrible and turns your stomach. I think the way they remove all nuance from it is annoying as well, they just immediately assume she must be just fully being an edgy dickhead and that there is nothing felt in this piece of art. This piece likely means something to her even if the addition of Garfield is distasteful. I'm not pro Garfield meme.

No. 2257073

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>>2257066
i think theres a difference between drawing virtue signaling free Palestine as sad it is to think this most zoomers will probably forget this war in a year.. fanart to straight real life gore though…i understand where youre coming from but youd have to admit the way the artist presented it made her look that way not the viewer, shes reaping what she sowed. if she had handled it in a more planned manner i wouldve liked the piece myself but shes also virtue signaling in a way too i mean take this piece by richard serra about the same topic you can clearly feel what the artist is trying to express here its not minimizing nor mocking the situation

No. 2257079

>>2257066
I think it would've came off as less insensitive if she didnt do a 1-to-1 redraw of the original picture and instead made a reference to it like an image of a seemingly innocuous blonde woman doing a thumbs up in a military uniform that you wouldnt assume to be abhorrent otherwise unless you were aware of the Abu Ghraib incident. People pointing out "me when I realize the reference" would also drive people to do more research and connect the dots themselves rather than be dissuaded from the impression its just shock art. The spooky ARG larp the artist pulled in the comments was also very try hard and not helping her look like anything aside from an edgy asshole.

No. 2257122

>>2257073
I agree with you, this was done poorly. Maybe she doesn't do this kind of work often. I wish she was more mature about it instead of just being weirdly cryptic in the comments. People saying she's mocking the cause though just frustrates me because I'm sure she's earnest but also just naive. I hope she learns from this but I'm worried people on twitter overdo it when they're offended she may be harassed enough to never touch subject matter like this again.

No. 2257137

>>2257122
> never touch subject matter like this again.
…do you want her to do more political satire art or the traumacorefied warcrimecore art?

No. 2257140

>>2256802
There is >>>/m/119195 for sharing and discussing resources and there are multiple threads for posting pictures, I'm sure you'll find some inspiration there. And you don't need more lists like that, you can just use your own head or browse pinterest/some social media to get new ideas.

No. 2257154

>>2255892
I feel you anon, I'm sorry. I wish you could at least warn others fo this guy, but I imagine posting him on lolcow would just bring the wanted attention. The only last solution coming to mind is to hire someone to harass them back, but that would get you in contact with even worse autists. How long has this been going on?

No. 2257164

File: 1731403135195.jpg (3.12 MB, 2080x2340, hoppers.JPG)

>interesting character design for a female protagonist
>it’s a “turns into a dumb animal for the plot” type movie
Fucking animation producers, people this creatively bankrupt should be shunned from existence

No. 2257176

>>2257164
Simply stop caring about children's media

No. 2257179

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>>2256863
>>2256866
>>2256870
>>2256876
Sorry for taking a while, I ended up writing a full essay of a length that neither nonas nor the site itself would appreciate so I had to reduce it quite a bit. Also genuinely surprised at how many anons were interested so I hope this lives up to exceptations. Disclaimer, I've gotten most of my knowledge from my schooling, which was focused more on conceptual/art theory critique and had a lot of focus on curating (teacher was a professional artist/curator prior) and my own brief experience submitting art to galleries and volunteering help setting up installations, I may be five or so years behind but looking at recent trends it seems like it's the same old same old.

What a curator decides to exhibit depends on the gallery; generally contemporary art is most popular, with modern art becoming slightly less popular over time and fine art is vastly less popular than it was fifty years ago. Illustration and sequential art are typically not considered real art and would only be exhibited in specific galleries. Internationally installations, sculpture and photography seem to be favoured over paintings, interactive art especially- whether that be a performance where the audience interacts with the subject or even just a big slide you can go down in, but again this varies depending on the gallery. Trends vary in certain countries and regions, for example in my country there's more of a bias towards Chinese and Aboriginal artists and environmentalists, which is fine as a lot of those groups create very interesting art but it would be retarded to ignore that bias. Trends are also dictated by critics, for better or worse.
At its core, a gallery is used to promote and sell an artist but the type of art and goals of a gallery are different in each type;

Commercial gallery
>artist and gallery in a financial agreement to sell artist's work in return for a commission
>more accessible for public submission, often host competitions that allow art students and/or anyone to submit

Non-profit/charity
>functionally the same as a commercial gallery, the money from sales just don't go to the artist or gallery and are run on donations

Vanity gallery
>artists pay large sum and/or are invited by curator
>gallery will still receive commissions in addition, however the sales of art are far higher
>inaccessible to public submission

Artist run gallery
>much smaller in scale
>can be a toss up in terms of quality control
>don't tend to do as well financially without industry influence


Some galleries act more like museums where they loan artwork to cycle through or they purchase it for permanent placement. These tend to be state or national galleries.

When submitting work to galleries, they generally want the following;
> the artwork fits into the gallery's size limits, depends on exhibit but generally it's a metre cubed max and about the weight "of a small child" (said to me more than once on several occasions, kek), sometimes frames are not allowed so make sure to check.
> the artwork doesn't violate health and safety guidelines; organic products, bodily fluid, barbed wire/sharp metal, glass (depends on type of exhibit but generally not allowed), live ammo or shells, live electricity, etc. are all disallowed.
> a sketch of how you would like the work set up is sometimes wanted, if for example you have a video overlay or sound system you'll also need to specify where to place those and any other requirements necessary, if you don't they will set it up however they want.
> artist statement
Cannot understate how important an artist statement is, it makes the difference on whether your work will get selected. Often you'll see some very mediocre art being displayed and may assume nepotism and while that is more likely than not, that is not always the case and the artist just had a very strong statement. You could be the next Carvaggio and get turned down if your statement is weak, as the current climate leans more conceptual if you cannot write about your artist's practice and why you made the art you are basically considered a illustrator. What they want is a little about yourself, age, sex, race, cultural experience, and as fucked up as it talking about your trauma (if related to the work, don't randomly trauma dump) may increase your chance of selection. Being a part of any idpol or marginalised group can also boost chances in certain galleries. They'll also want to know what lead up to some of your decisions in your art making and sometimes they'll ask what artists inspired you. Putting illustrators down as inspiration is frowned upon, mentioning online artists may cause you to get turned down as they can't fully verify whether or not you have plagrised from said artists. For a good example of an artist statement I'd recommend Mark Ryden's, it doesn't need to be the same length as his but it has the general gist of how you should write.
As artists get more established they can forgo a gallery's guidelines, even the health and safety ones as long as the audience is unlikely to be directly harmed.

A exhibit is always based around a theme, typically contemporary issues (consumerism, media, war, gender, etc.) or cultural (people of X place) and reflects the gallery and curator's views and tastes. For the benefit and detriment of the artwork, a curator can override the artist on how they want it to be presented, they also control what information the audience receives and can posit their interpretation of the work (example: Francis Bacon and Van Gogh exhibits are very different depending on the curator and their opinions on the artists) Exhibits generally are cycled through a three to six month time period, exhibits featuring one artist tend to be far shorter and smaller galleries may only do one exhibit a year.

No. 2257180

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>>2257179
Part two, Contemporary Art Sperging
Split these up so it's easier to read, and this is more discursive than informative. So, as said, contemporary art is the main type of art you'll see exhibited and advertised. Its name is misleading as it implies it is art made very recently when there's contemporary art that's almost a century old, in reality it's a movement that questions what could be considered as art and involves the audience in the art as they are just as, if not more, important as the artwork. Contemporary art has a lot of potential, many interesting ideas and practices have come from it, and there's some artists who I'd white knight to the death over but it is quite disliked and hated for a reason. My main issues with it lie in the postmodern nihilism and self wanking that is unfortunately inherent, two lines of thought in particular I find quite cancerous.
Death of the author is the first one, the fact its being used for fandom discourse is equal parts infuriating and funny as fuck. It doesn't mean "pretend the author isn't real so your headcanon is just as important as the source material and author's input doesn't matter", it's more the author has zero liberty of their work because the art or writing created itself and the author was a vessel for it and once it is complete it is its own entity (so your headcanon doesn't belong to you either) and only exists when perceived by someone, therefore its fine to plagiarise because no one owns anything (except for me, the person plagiarising of course, because I have to sell this.) This plagiarism manifests in contemporary artists replicating other's work 1:1 on a different scale or reprinting it exactly as is, Koons and Hirst are both notorious for this and, Koons especially, have gotten into legal trouble because of it. Appropriation is fine, Dadaism was all about appropriating and recontextualising, but there's a difference between that and straight up reprinting someone's photography and putting a different frame on it.
Originality is dead is the other, I'm sure everybody is familiar with this one and it may have caused some of you to spiral at least once. Also used to justify plagiarism, if that's a surprise to anyone. In simple terms the human condition is universal and we have existed for more than a millenia so everything has been thought and said. Sort of true but also not, everyone has a unique experience and set of inspiration, we don't even see the same colours. Originality is in the same muscle group as imagination, if you don't stretch it you become most online artists and if you do it incorrectly you become a tumblr artist, and you exercise it in the exact way you do imagination; cultivate experiences, opinions and interests, especially your non art related ones, and experiment and learn from your results.
In addition to plagiarism, it often is quite lazy. The concept of ready-made art (ordinary objects transformed into art) opens up a lot of possibilities and has been done successfully in a unique and well thought out way, but what the fuck is the point or appeal of a piece of slate on the floor or a screwed up piece of blank paper, besides getting your balls (men often do this baity pseudo deep fucktarded tripe) sucked by the critics? Speaking of those critics, their love for contemporary art has ruined a lot of art and media and maybe even society as a whole, they have such a deep contempt for art that isn't deep enough or protests against enough issues because all art is supposed to be political (except when you disagree with it, then it is not art) and if the average person doesn't understand it's because they're too stupid to understand a concept written by a obscure narcissistic 1960s French philosopher whose verbosity and lack of spacing and weird complexes rival Lovecraft. If you've ever had an argument with a TIM on tumblr it is the exact same thing and they've been acting like that for at least thirty years.

I hope I wasn't too autistic and you got something out of this. Happy to sperg anytime.

No. 2257188

>>2257164
Wait I love the design of the protag, what's the movie called?

No. 2257196

>>2256755
rakka you dumbass you're supposed to sit at a bit of an angle so you can look at both the subject of your painting and the canvas at the same time. rakka you'll get tired of peeking behind it. sit sideways rakka

No. 2257201

>>2257039
I wonder if it's referencing this trend of japanese loli artists drawing abu ghraib scenes and other horrifying material with anime girls thrown in. It was pretty popular about a month or two ago. Too bad her audience doesn't get it
>>2256411
Thank you. I used to follow her around the time she quit, i knew you post felt familiar. It's such a shame because i really like her new linework
>>2255747
You're grasping at straws

No. 2257240

>>2257180
I find this really fascinating as someone not really in the gallery world. I go to galleries sometimes and maybe it's just because it's local or artist ran, but I do see illustration style art and sometimes without an artist statement. Is this more applicable to large galleries would you say?

No. 2257267

>>2254748
>>2254755
Is this the same girl who screeches about other retards on Twitter copying her? Kekkkk

No. 2257299

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No. 2257302

>>2257176
You’re preaching to the choir, I haven’t watched any in years other than like, Wendell & Wild kek. I’m allowed to complain when I see something looks like shit.

>>2257188
Hoppers

No. 2257307

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>>2238585
>they don't look like leyendecker's peak fancy white man soldier in sharp suit (who's almost a pinup in my eyes)
This concierge is drawn rather handsomely

No. 2257344

>>2238438
Some of you guys need to stop getting your feelings hurt by the slightest bit of critique on long-gone figures. I saw that post, and it was just discussing the racial norms at the time and saying it's unfortunate how he portrayed black people (also worth noting that the magazine he was working for forbade artists from drawing black people outside of slave/servitude roles. Norman Rockwell rejected that, Leyendecker didn't).
Not everything is "cancellation". Stop sucking old moid dick so hard, he was gay anyway kek. You can enjoy good art without getting angry whenever people talk about the artist and/or how they portrayed people, do you chimp out when anyone mentions Picasso being a misogynist who took advantage of younger women in his life too?

No. 2257403

>>2257344
I thought the discussion isn't about sucking dead gay moid art but at twitter artist feeling the need to bring this up as if it wasn't obvious. Zoomers are so far gone from the concept of institutional racism they didn't connect the dots.
From her post
>ive seen many recreations of leyendeckers work + much discussion of how his queer identity informed his work — but very little about how, as a magazine illustrator, his body of work is deeply entrenched in normative and revisionist depictions of american culture + history
Like yeah, he was a white male illustrator, product of his time, I don't know why this is a revelation for twitter. (And yes, I know about Rockwell.)
Personally the call to action linking to some modern artist's Instagram as was silly, literally apples and oranges.

No. 2257409

>>2253307
This isn’t directed at you in particular nonna but I find it really worrying that shitty artists lead newbies to believe using references somehow makes you a bad artist. Like, I’ve seen people genuinely get into a tizzy over a pose being heavily referenced off a photo.

No. 2257411

>>2257037
An artist is not required to make the same style of work over and over just for a single point to be made. I don't think the negative responses to it are unjustified, but there has been ridiculous art before. And is this not provoking you and others in the thread? This piece is highly effective. The meme placed in feels tacky, but works to me.

No. 2257426

>>2257344
There were a ton of replies/quote rts saying you shouldn't enjoy the art and that you should learn from other people (who are all also very skilled, but much shittier than him). Not sure why you're screeching so hard at anons laughing at self victimizing zoomers online. Like you said, he's fucking dead. Studying his work won't do anything for him. He's dead.

No. 2257444

>>2256868
>>2256896
>>2257002
Thank you nonna if you ever post on the friend finder thread I would love to talk more to you! Good luck with your life plans!

No. 2257447

>>2257179
>>2257180
Thank you for this nonna, please don't feel bad for 'sperging' or for writing essays, I WANT to read the essay and I want to read the spergery. Same as the other anon if you ever post on the friend finder thread I would love to keep talking about this stuff, but yes please keep talking about it itt, I hope you can come with more latter no matter how lengthy or how many parts you need to divide the post into. This is super interesting to me.

No. 2257454

>>2257403
I didn't agree with the IG artist plugging for the same reasons (unless it was done less as a "Like this, not that" and more as a "Here is an artist who can maybe help fill the void and show that this 'type' of art doesn't always have to suffer from the same social trappings as the past" thing), but I do agree with the OP's intent because I think discussions of history and the context behind an artist's work are interesting and important. It just seems as intellectually dishonest and reductive to flatten that down to "the woke mob is cancelling the dead moid and banning us from liking or studying his art" as it is to decide no one is allowed to admire or be inspired by said artist's work outside of the racism/sexism/etc. Ironically, both are applying brain-dead political lens of the modern day to what doesn't end up being much more than a broader explanation on the presence of certain themes and absence of others in his pieces.

No. 2257469

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>>2257179
>>2257180
nonny this was super useful to read, thank you. seconding the friend finder thread request thing because it would be super cool to keep talking about this with you. have a yotsuba cow mug (this is how I will try and find your posts later for reference). don't shy away from posting more.

No. 2257478

>>2257180
Thank you nona, very interesting!

No. 2257491

>>2257045
The first one is actually well drawn, that's the difference

No. 2257493

>>2257164
>''interesting''
she looks like every asian insta thot baddie

No. 2257503

>>2257491
It's better but not well drawn kek

No. 2257521

>>2257503
Except for the tits everything else is pretty good, it's very heavily stylized obviously

No. 2257529

>>2257164
I can't wait for this to bomb really badly at the box office.really ugly face on the beaver.

No. 2257579

>>2256951
Literally who.
>>2257037
I never discard the possibility of these artists self-posting.

No. 2257763

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>>2257493
>asian insta thot baddie
She’s just a tomboy with big eyebrows kek, lots of cartoonists shape them like that.

No. 2257929

>>2257478
>>2257469
>>2257447
>>2257240
I'm really glad you all liked it! I'm way too shy for friend finder but I check up on this thread very often so if anyone has further questions later down the line I'd be happy to oblige. I might even get into gallery or artist v critic drama, old and new, if I can remember the more cowish ones.
>maybe it's just because it's local or artist ran, but I do see illustration style art and sometimes without an artist statement
I think it depends on the gallery, one of my local ones is more old school with how they vet submissions (skill and effort over conceptual strength) and doesn't really want statements. Artist statements are also not always displayed to the audience, it's kind of like a resume for the gallery so they can decide if you're a good fit for what they're looking for.
Also, to clarify what I meant by illustration, I meant more art created for commercial purpose and/or without knowledge or implementation of art theory- which is just philosophy attributed to different art movements. The difference between illustration and art beyond that is very minimal if not nonexistent, it's a very wishy washy sort of categorisation, for example some people think Mark Ryden is an illustrator but Trevor Brown is an artist despite doing the exact same things, and Brown is also a pedo to boot.

No. 2258054

>>2257154
Since about 2017/2018. Obviously no way in fuck I would ever post someone like that to lolcow (or anywhere), I just need to vent because I feel very alone in this. Additionally I am not the only person, I’m aware they habitually stalk people they’ve had falling outs with going back as far as 2015.

No. 2258147

>>2257929
I hope that if I have a question I can somehow reach out to you through this thread, thank you for everything nonny. Do you think you could talk more about how to get in a gallery or at least get someone that could sell your art?
In my country you need a permit if you want to sell or simply ship to an international gallery or buyer. I'm far away from most gallerists so I think I'm fucked big time. I've also heard about artists getting noticed through Instagram though.

No. 2258357

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Does anyone here like to draw non-humans things from time to time? i like to draw airships and cars.

No. 2258359

>>2256823
She wants you to send her the direct magnet link to her brushes or something.
>>2256827
>animator
Lmao threads back people were arguing against an anon shitting on a storyboard looking "unfinished" of all things. There's a bunch of "waahhh artstation style bad!!!" And anons who explained that artstation isnt a site for posting experimental pieces but a portfolio site to get hired, but those got ignored. No wonder pros cant take this thread seriously.

No. 2258365

>>2258359
Pros are soulless most of the times anyways, they rely too much on 3D models, photobashing and now AI. I don't think there is a single modern professional artist that makes genuinely interesting art.

No. 2258378

>>2258359
>>2258365
Case in point.

No. 2258384

>>2258378
I am sorry some people actually want to draw for fun and not for a buck.

No. 2258386

>>2258384
Anon, you're so silly. Can you read the thread of conversation?

No. 2258390

>>2258386
I dont understand why people get so pissed when you call professional concept art ugly as hell, people shit on alegria all the time for being corporate slop and you dont hear people seething at it.

No. 2258391

>>2258390
That's not what my post is about, read the post I was replying to, silly anon.

No. 2258397

>>2258391
You are really dense and annoying to top it off.

No. 2258399

>>2258397
I could say the same back to you , anon.
>"No ones a pro here"
>Someone from threads back asks an /ic/ tier question that misunderstands an industry
>anons in said industry explain why that's the case.
>Helpful information gets ignored.
>You start going on sourgraping that pros are bad and cringe actually anyway.
>???

No. 2258410

>>2258399
Everyone knows artstation is an art portfolio for concept artists, that doesn't make the art posted there good and concept artists above criticism.

No. 2258594

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Just admit Kate is a girl. You know you want to. You made the most normal girl known to man and expect people to call it otherwise.

No. 2258607

>>2258594
Honestly I'm interested in seeing whether or not detransing a character is more controversial than making one trans in the first place. I genuinely think her straight up making Kate a regular old girl might incite more hate from the gendies in her fanbase than the "transphobic attacks" from calling Kate a he/they, but I've never actually seen anyone detrans a character, only troonify one. I think she's trying to ease her audience into it so she doesn't get cancelled?

No. 2258618

>>2258607
I think its what she usually does, pin the decision on others because she doesn't want to take accountability or requires lots of validation to do something. "My audience made me do it because they loved it/hated it and I only wanted to please them. I don't actually like doing this…" Is a move she always pulls.

No. 2258633

>>2258607
>but I've never actually seen anyone detrans a character,
wasnt there a artcow who did that? the one who made cuntboy shit

No. 2258638

>>2257179
>>2257180
As someone who is not familiar with the art gallery world at all, this was very interesting to read, thank you nona.
>if the average person doesn't understand it's because they're too stupid to understand a concept written by a obscure narcissistic 1960s French philosopher whose verbosity and lack of spacing and weird complexes rival Lovecraft.
KEK this reminds me of the obnoxious fart-huffing of post-modern literature circles. There are a few contemporary novels I love, but many writers today seem to hate their readers.

No. 2258660

>>2258357
I do animal/creature and mecha art for the most part as I find humans kinda dull, and have been on an architecture binge recently.

Sick that you draw vehicles anon– any favourites ones/eras to draw?

No. 2258672

>>2258594
She is being cowardly, but I understand. She chose to appeal to the devoted followers of genderism, and she should know they're insane. She's been referring to Kate as "she" for ages now and there's still loads of commenters who make sure to insert "he" into every comment. Those comments feel like both virtue signalling to others ("look at me calling an obvious girl a boy, i can deny reality better than you") and also vaguely threatening, communicating to brujo ari that she shouldn't step out of line.

This isn't going to work. All her gendie followers will continue calling Kate "he" to own the transphobes or whatever.

No. 2258734

>>2258594
I kind of want this cow to have a thread but don’t know if she’s producing any milk right now for it. I’m just very excited for whenever her show comes out and whatever future meltdowns she has. It’s just interesting watching her want to detrans this character really bad. Iirc she wanted Kate to be a character for the “weird girls”, so I honestly think she just wants to make a punk, nlog character that girls can relate to or something. Her gender followers are extremely para social with her and she plays into it all the time and talks to them like they’re her friends. If she’s going to have a show, especially since the whole thing is “queer based”, why try to reel it back now?

No. 2258754

>>2258633
Constellor? Yeah, she detrooned her pooner rabbit oc into a generic fat fetishist girl after getting dick from some coomer
She also nuked everything relating to trooning out and LGBT in general too if you try searching "constellor trans" on Twitter

No. 2258797

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>>2258734
I bet this kind of behaviour will be even more prevalent in the near future in western cartoon creators, especially indie ones. So many young artists grow up in an online tumblrite atmosphere of virtue signalling so intense it's almost competitive. In that sort of atmosphere any perceived wrongdoing is at risk of getting called out - or at least it feels like it, even if you don't make enough stuff to actually be noticed or remembered. If you have ever hung out with younger gendies, certain friend groups can even do 'microcancelling', and that shit can scar a kid.

Combine that constant anxiety of being seen as problematic with a terrible habit of oversharing negative emotions and you've got a recipe for tons of milk to come. I am terribly excited.

Honestly, I have no idea how she's going to incorporate queerness into her show in the first place. Isn't her Jotaro OC (now named Alex) trans? She doesn't seem to obsess over his transness as much as Kate's queerness, but I think he's going to have to carry the tranny-pandering of the show if Kate is basically detrans.

Also, how do you tell the difference between a sapphic artist who is kinda coomery, vs a straight artist who is kinda coomery? I am confused about what Brujo Ari is and why she draws her female characters like that.

No. 2258799

>>2256988
Thanks for pointing this out nona, because I had the exact same thoughts. If any one of those tards in the comments went to a modern art museum and saw that piece on a wall with a caption, they'd rush back home to make a youtube video on social media and political dissociation. But why does anyone need a gallery to do that? Does it give it extra value? Nuance? Does it prove that the artist is more worth listening to? I'd wager that last one is the underlying answer here.

No. 2258806

>>2257180
This was a lovely read nona. I'm on an epub art rampage at the moment, so if you have any recommendations for authors who reflect your views then now is the time to persuade some online randos.

No. 2258854

>>2256774
>I doubt there is a question left that hasnt been answered in 60 threads
Now that you mention it, can any of you nonnies respond to this
>>2241845 where I said my viewer-to-follower rate on TikTok is garbage and asked where people are moving from after TikTok?

No. 2258872

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>>2258797
maybe because her (and a lot of other female artists) study from and emulate male coomer art styles? brujo seems to be trying to emulate 2000s cartoons and most cartoons from before like… steven universe had their female character designs like picrel sorry for reddit screenshot, I couldn't find another version of it

No. 2258877

>>2258797
>obsessing over Kate’s queerness

The only thing queer is the left over he/him pronouns from being kakyoin that she clearly wants to let go of. She’s only drawn Kate dating men or crushing on men. She’s like allergic to drawing anything sapphic unless it’s sexualized in some way

No. 2258900

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>>2258872
>single designated "ugly" girl
KEK That's basically picrel, complete with the braces/retainer. She's not ugly but you can tell she's like the token non-hourglass female character. I can't find it anymore(maybe she deleted it because it made the mcs look bad?) but Brujo said on her side account that this character is sweet and naive and Kate and Alex like to take advantage of her for their schemes (they always get their karma by the end).

No. 2259030

>Just discovered that this semi-popular mid weaboo waifu artist who I hatescroll from time to time is from the same country as me.

Why are they all "le based" coomer anime moids? It's the same thing over and over again. It's either that or wannabe commies, soft culture brainrot.

No. 2259146

>>2258660
>any favourites ones/eras to draw?
I like WWII planes the most. I also paint plamo so i often use my own models as references.

No. 2259150

>>2259030
Who? name and shame

No. 2259166

>>2258594
it’s her character. why can’t she just say i’ve decided kate is a girl now instead of doing this

No. 2259167

>>2258594
If I may throw my own two cents. I always thought Kate had a really cute character design, even during her FTM Kakyoin days. But the gendie gymnastics need to go, though it seems like Ari is making progress.

No. 2259173

>>2259167
Samefag, she may have an appealing design in a vaccume, but her personality is shit.

No. 2259186

>>2258594
Kek, she makes posts like this every once in a while saying she's detransing Kate because of transphobia and every time she always gets a billion comments like "noooooo don't listen to the haters, Kate is a heckin valid fem presenting genderqueer transmasc, transmasculines don't owe you masculineness" that make it really hard to believe her. If this is a fake excuse to keep discretely detransing Kate without her fanbase getting mad, then it's a really shit one because she's just egging them on to hold on even harder to Kate's gendieness to stick it up to the transphobes. unless the "transphobic attacks" are supposed to be a red herring to distract from the "tired of having the same conversation" part meaning that having to do 5 paragraph PSAs on how girly girl chica niña Kate is actually gender has started to feel too dumb for her. She can't admit that she finds it cringe now or that Kate's convuluted gender shit is lowkey bad writting
Not sure what is more likely, but I think she could also be doing posts like these just for the attention and for the "nooo ur so brave and valid I hate ur haterz omg ur so strong 4 dealing with this" comments.

No. 2259200

Did anyone ever had someone who never supported you with your art journey but now they want to use your art for their "business"? I'm just very conflicted right now because I feel like just want to use me for themselves. Sorry for small vent and I hope this made any sense.

No. 2259202

>>2258900
I don't know what she's thinking with this character. When I looked at Kate and Alex, I assumed the story would be about two underdogs finding solace in each other against bullying from the rest of their school. If the mcs go and bully someone who is also like them, then it just makes them seem very hypocritical and unlikeable. That's assuming the mcs are supposed to be people you root for instead of villains

No. 2259206

>>2259202
So far, that’s what it seems like she wants to do with these characters. She wants them to be kind of shitty people who get in a lot of trouble and are enemies of the whole school. Retarded kek but people will love it because they’re gendies

No. 2259252

>>2259206
Then they would need to have a compelling reason for being villains. If the reason why they're enemies of the school is gendieism my eyes are gonna roll so far back in my head.

No. 2259528

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>>2258877
I find it hilarious how even when she makes alex and kate "lesbians" she still finds a way to make it straight by making Alex a "transfem" in the AU.
having Alex and Kate be tifs is the gayest the two can get before brujo starts getting scared.
OT Ive always found it annoying how gendies would hetbend a yaoi ship by drawing the uke a girl but claim "hes trans so its totes still gay!"
just draw your fucking straight shit without having to label it "qweer and progressive!!" you arent fooling anyone

No. 2259584

>>2258854
No one who leaves tiktok does so because they found another platform that's even better at frying their brain. First of all tiktok user numbers are generally still rising, if people are leaving it's because they want to focus on their real lives. Normies became terminally online during lockdowns and now things are very slowly changing back to the way they used to be.
You probably don't retain an audience because you don't post regularly enough or because your style/presentation/topics aren't very interesting. Or it's simply because views don't equate to likes/follows. If you google a bit you'll find that these ratios are always abysmal, there's no point in worrying about it. Focus on pumping out more videos then figure out why some blew up and how to replicate that without boring people.

No. 2259637

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>>2259528
>>2258797
I absolutely know someone must have made this comparison in earlier threads but nobody has said it in this one so there

No. 2259654

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>>2259637
its a trent bootleg actually

No. 2259759

>>2259167
Tbh I agree. Make her a girl and make her a lesbian and my life is yours Ari.

No. 2259923

File: 1731555407095.gif (1.59 MB, 220x124, buzz-lightyear-factory.gif)

dude i cannot stand these "puppygirl paraphile tgirl sparkledog kinky uwu kodocon diaperlover" motherfuckers. they keep following me and their accounts are so triggering. im not even an antishipper but this shit is vile, like, they literally talk about being sexually attracted to kids and dogs like its nothing??? GO TO COUNSELING AND GET OFF THE INTERNET. 4lung has seriously been a blight on humanity for starting this trend

No. 2260047

>>2259923
>they keep following me
Hmm the real question here is What kind of art do you make to attract that kind of audience?

No. 2260052

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>>2259923
I used to draw Girls Und panzer fanart and i stopped because i kept getting followed by nazi trannies with a ryona fetish. I nuked my account and i only draw husbandos now.

No. 2260060

>>2260047
well i certainly dont draw loli/shota and i dont draw furry art either.. so i have no idea really

No. 2260063

>>2260052
Nonna I'm sure you are a nice lady but drawing cute girls doing cute things anime fanart is like a magnet for trannies and nazis. That's like drawing Loud House art and not expecting pedos and autists to follow you.

No. 2260068

>>2260063
I know i was a young and naive autist. I dont draw anime women anymore for that reason, if i draw women they are going to be realistic, with real bodies and body hair and anything that filters moids.

No. 2260069

>>2260052
You just reminded me of this guy I knew in school who was obsessed with that show. His parents took his pc away from him because he refused to lose weight then they bought his younger sister a car kek

No. 2260076

>>2260069
I am glad i wasnt born a man because that would have ended up being me for sure.

No. 2260089

File: 1731562813893.jpg (279.33 KB, 1117x495, sfkljsld.jpg)

Is this worth getting or should I invest in a proper drafting table?

No. 2260264

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>>2260089
the only proper drafting tables are architect tables, the kind that were used in the 90s-early 2000s before 3d programs took off in the sector. All drafting tables for artists that you buy online are very cheaply made.
I do have the item in your pic rel in a3 format and it's pretty good, especially to sketch without getting tired, and it lets you transform any table into a drafting table.

No. 2260278

File: 1731582209703.png (Spoiler Image,11.85 MB, 2816x3252, style.png)

spoiler for doujin, but how do I get this kind of super smooth blended rendering as in these images (digital or traditional is fine)

No. 2260286

>>2259146
excellent taste anon

>I also paint plamo

fuck yeah, always cool to see others in the hobby

No. 2260330

>>2259200
They can pay you if they want your art. Upfront, in full, no refunds. They can use your art for themselves if they pay you appropriate rates for the product- if they try to haggle your prices down laugh in their face and treat it like a joke, and don't make them any art until they pay you.

No. 2260339

>>2259200
You can always hear them out. If you accept it like other nona said, make them pay upfront and they can't take it back.
Some people (especially parents/family) tend to be very sceptic of any unconventional career choice and only accept it once they see it's lucrative, it could be their roundabout way to acknowledge that they accept your art now, and could even be an attempt to help you out by making your art seen.

No. 2260353

>>2259923
Kek I feel this, I don't even draw furry art or even NSFW art yet I keep getting these kinds of followers, just the adjacent FTM variety instead of "tgirls". It's so frustrating because I draw regular middle of the road bishounen animeslop and each autistic furry degenerate is like a knife through the heart.

No. 2260362

>>2260052
Why not just draw what you like and not care who follows you

No. 2260381

I want to support my friend in her artistic endeavors and truly encourage her to improve because I appreciate her effort and want to be a good friend. But she draws in a very distinct style that doesn't match my tastes and all, to be honest her art is very much out of my comfort zone and I feel I can't give her a fair judgment on my part. I don't want to hurt her feelings but I'm really bad at masking myself so I have no idea what I should really do.

No. 2260410

I used to think having a bf interested in making art too would be nice, but the more people I interact with the more I learn men into art basically all do it to create their own porn. They're worse than average men because they spend so much of their time visualizing and recreating their own sexual fantasies and desires. It's art, so they can spend hours, days, months on a single piece perfecting some sexy woman fantasy each day. They're just not good partner material.

No. 2260413

>>2260381
Be honest when you can in a nice way "that's pretty cool, it's very much YOUR style and taste" and don't fake love it like "omg that's so amazing I love it I'd hang it on my wall"

No. 2260439

>>2260410
>men into art basically all do it to create their own porn
I honestly thought this was common knowledge at this point. Just take a look at /ic/.

No. 2260561

>>2260410
I had to realize this the hard way. The guy was an "artist" in the loosest terms, and used to say and do things that would make me lose attraction to him and then try and beg me for sex by explaining that unless he's cooming regularly, his creativity suffers. The only thing preventing an artist from being creative is their own ass.

No. 2260598

>>2260410
True. Get a fujo gf and become the next vivinos instead

No. 2260626

>>2260410
how about one of those guys who only knows how to draw spaceships/mechs with an autistic level of detail? can’t make porn if they can only render metal and glass

No. 2260634

>>2260598
NTA but this is literally my dream

No. 2260644

>>2260626
There's no way you haven't seen all the airplane porn by now

No. 2260680

>>2257409
You should. You should be very worried.

I've met people working in art related fields, who, like me, assumed that Thou Must Never Reference since an early age. They have only gotten good after discovering references. After 20 years of thinking that references are bad. Not kidding.

Art classes tend to assume that people will just 'get this' per automata, because most successful artists do. I've yet to see one actually explain why one must use references. As a result, I try to explain this all the time when teaching art, it's one of the first things I tell me students.

No. 2260760

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>>2260410
Percicley why I found samdoesart so disgusting. So committed to cooming he refused to draw a child like a normal character.Then he tried to justify it by claiming he only draws women he's attracted to. So same faced-plastic skinned-dainty nosed- dull eyed AI slop looking creatures that not even Disney would be shameless enough to put on screen. Total scrote death.

No. 2260778

>>2260362
I dont want trannies to see my art.

No. 2260781

>>2260760
So committed to cook he'd rather give her wonky eyes than an actual human facial expression kek

No. 2260832

>>2260278
airbrush could give similar results fast. The better option to maintain subtle layering of color is a transparent hardish brush, lots of layering to build up form, and strategic use of the smudge tool, for digital. for trad idk, copic markers maybe?

No. 2260846

What is the psychology behind making good art on some days, but then on other days… it just falls flat on its face? I'm not a super art expert or an art god yet, I'm still practicing my skills, but I always feel so happy when I make something that looks great… only to then feel disappointed when I try again the next day and it doesn't hit quite as good. What gives?

No. 2260893

>>2260846
Some days are just better than others

No. 2260914

>>2260846
It's because you are still learning. Don't let it get you down.

No. 2260964

>>2260410
Also scrotes get jealous easily. I suspect male artists working in the industry do not get with female artists who can draw better than him. If she has any kind of superior skill, she'll have to suppress it to not hurt his ego. Jackson Pollock did that to his wife, I'm sure there's a long list.

No. 2260968

>>2260781
I’m convinced all men are pedophiles on some level. I can understand a moid not wanting to draw an “ugly” woman, you don’t see me drawing fat tif art, but Christ. He has to coomwash an actual child?

No. 2261229

File: 1731632302205.jpg (1.9 MB, 3092x2257, indiecartoons.jpg)

Why do indie animators keep drawing in these terrible styles? And why are there never any decent character designers in indie animation?

No. 2261242

>>2261229
Its so fucking ugly and uncreative. I would pay big money to see anything animated in this dude's style.

No. 2261251

>>2261229
>all eastern cartoons are anime moeslop or Marvel-tier shounenslop for 12 year old boys
>all 2d western cartoons are flat solid color ms paint default palette no mood no ambiance quirky yet forgettable garbage marketed to children but pulls an audience of adults
Say what you want about Hazbin but at least it's unique

No. 2261254

>>2261242
Agreed but that animator mostly posts meme political animations so expecting a indie is optimistic i hope he does though

No. 2261255

>>2261229
I can't be the only one to notice how most of the darker skinned female characters are "inclusive" fatties or masculine, but the main white girl will always be rule 34 bait.

No. 2261256

>>2261229
Why does the US have such a high amount of autism-y manchild animation projects compared to other countries?

No. 2261263

>>2261256
Money and the freedom to post shit without the police knocking on your door

No. 2261264

>>2261256
The US, France, and Japan are the only countries with big animation industries, no? Japan is even worse when it comes to shitting out entitled nepo baby manchild slop.

No. 2261271

>>2261255
the one from hearts of titans is a moid though

No. 2261273

>>2261256
Because we are supposed to be ''kind uwu'' to artists and not shit on them for having ugly styles and encourage them to pick up a book instead. Even here we have a massive hugbox.

No. 2261294

>>2260063
>drawing cute girls doing cute things anime fanart is like a magnet for trannies and nazis.
this kind of thing makes me sad. sometimes i wish i could make my art (or only certain pieces) only visible to women lmao

No. 2261329

>>2261229
You could pay me to watch any of these and I still would prefer to watch paint dry for an entire year instead.wow these are absolutely bad

No. 2261371

>>2261329
Thank you nona for bringing these up because I have an incredible throbbing hate boner for atrocious character designs.

I am absolutely baffled how these artists can spend so much time on their art and not realize that 'Huh, this kinda sucks.' I also can't believe people pay money to see these characters get animated. I especially hate Hearts of Titan, because the main protagonists' colour palettes look absolutely horrendous together (although I also think they all look ugly except for the single girl. Also, purple guy is so obviously inspired by Galra Keith it makes me laugh) Isn't designing characters in relation to one another one of the most important things an artist should learn when it comes to character design? Props to them for designing such an obviously TIF character though lmao. Even in cartoons they can't pass.

I'm not familiar with the other two cartoons, but why does blue guy from the right look like he got his head squashed between two pans? His head looks too exaggerated in comparison to every other character in the poster. He has a knife chin. The black woman's design in the red outfit feels racist to me.

I'm still excited for these cartoons to come out though. I hope we can get lots of milk from these. Here's a TikTok from another upcoming indie animation, whose designs are also shit of course.
>Inspired by Vietnamese fashion
Literally where, bruh? If they are so proud of such lackluster design, I am curious to see their story.
Sorry for character design sperg I just can't stand seeing all this time and money being wasted like this

No. 2261379

>>2261371
>vietnamese inspired
and then its the most generic fantasy dress and throne ever drawn

No. 2261380

>>2261229
The male black character has an afro pick and the female black character is the overweight evil Queen? Incredible how in the name of inclusivity they lean so heavily on racist stereotypes and caricatures or just altogether uncharitable depictions.
>>2261371
Don't apologize, I love posts like these, sperg away!

No. 2261384

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>>2261371
This made me laugh kek. He made it worse with the side-by-side comparison

No. 2261387

>>2261384
>Vietnamese inspired
>puff paned sleeves
…what??

No. 2261397

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>>2261384
its amusing how bad they got the dress design, you can go type vietnamesse dress on danbooru and find a more fitting design. Its literally not that hard to design, they are so bad at character design its honestly admiring.

No. 2261398

>>2261380
>The male black character has an afro pick and the female black character is the overweight evil Queen? Incredible how in the name of inclusivity they lean so heavily on racist stereotypes and caricatures
It gets better kek. Skip to 1:20. The black guy calls himself “UNCLE TOMMY”

No. 2261399

>>2261384
Right, who the fuck would draw a connection between these two, there is no resemblence kek. Not in palette, silhoutte, nothing.

No. 2261402

>gives tips on how to avoid same face
>all characters look the same
these guys are so pretentious

No. 2261406

>>2261402
Making anatomy guides and everything?? Honestly I would LOVE to be this delusional about my own skills.

No. 2261408

>>2261398
Uncle Tommy looks and sounds like a Panty and Stocking character

No. 2261411

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>>2261371
>>2261402
>”””vietnamese coded”””
>literally has the vietnam flag in her room
Why does he keep saying she’s “coded” kek, doesn’t the flag imply the country exists in their universe?

No. 2261412

>>2261406
It took them one year to design a generic cat with a peacock tail

No. 2261414

>>2261380
Thank you nona, you have motivated me to reach peak sperg. I am full of baffled rage so thanks for making me feel valid.

>>2261384
This sucks so much, I am so baffled no one has called them out for how shitty the cultural aspect is incorporated. I think they might be deleting negative tiktok comments. It's like they're trying to be diverse but they're too stupid to realise they view western clothing as the default even though that makes no damn sense - if you want to make her obviously Vietnamese, put her in a fucking ao dai! Viet girls wear those to high school for fuck's sake! It's so obvious! How do you miss this as a design choice?! This is such a terrible diversity fail, I hope they get cancelled for this obvious virtue signalling.

This Ethiopian design also suffers from a similar problem to the Vietnamese one. I think the artists don't actually study their references - it's like they're only glancing at the actual traditional clothing for like 2 seconds before designing the characters. They don't put in any real effort to showcase true diversity because everything is just a bit of 'cultural flair' sprinkled onto a generic white bread base. Sometimes it's barely noticable too, so that's a fail. Why not keep the off-shoulder cut for this character and make her feel even more princess-like? What is with the random ass shoulderpads? Why is her colour palette so dull compared to Vietnamese Princess, who is so bright? Why are they both purple when the other two characters have their own main colours, red and blue? Why not just make this character green? Their colours are terrible together, how do you design main characters like this?

Also they're making this a musical.

No. 2261416

>>2261414
>if you want to make her obviously Vietnamese, put her in a fucking ao dai!
Because that means putting their mahou shoujo girl in pants, the HORROR!

No. 2261434

>>2261414
I'm so glad there's a character design sperg, you're inspiring me to put myself out there in the character design threads on /m/. Also that's a really cool fact, I didn't know viet girls wear ao dai's to high school.

No. 2261443

>Rich worlds
>Deep character conflicts
>Stunning animation
Lmao what a joke
Nta but I detest this whiny faggot,if this shit doesn't get funded then oh well move on and get over it.I find it funny he's making comparisons with others shows to entice people into supporting this uninspired trash.

No. 2261444

>>2261443
>whiny faggot
sounds like a tif to me

No. 2261446

>>2261384
I did not think it could get worse than this but they are trying to dig below the bar here.

English-coded? The yellow-haired woman looks like she's wearing a Chinese qipao. Do these people have eyes? I could write a essay about these designs but I'll spare you all.

>>2261434
Thank you, we can be character design spergs together nona! It's such an essential, beautiful skill to have. I get that it takes a lot of practice and these artists are obviously Dunning-Kruger noobs, but they're obviously too attached to their first idea. They need to learn to kill their darlings and actually make properly-referenced iterations instead of taking centuries to make a single design. Then at least they will have options for the final design. I genuinely hope all these series get fan redesigns that are 100x better than the original Vivsiepop-style, I'd honestly love to see that.

I also think it's lame they don't give the characters culturally appropriate names, but I'll give them the benefit of the doubt and assume it's because they don't want to butcher the pronunciation.

>>2261443
Imagine having this level of confidence. Nonnies, we could do anything if we were this delusional. Maybe we wouldn't do very well, but still.

No. 2261449

>>2261446
>I could write a essay about these designs
do it, i want to read it

No. 2261463

>>2261443
>>2261446
>Do you like The Owl House? Avatar Maybe? Shera and the Princess of Power?
All TV shows with simplified designs and a large emphasis on storytelling and character writing. Most of this project seems to rely on it's subpar visuals and diverse representation. The designs are cluttered and inconsistent, barely reflecting the personalities of each character, and their personalities seem more like tropes than anything else from what i've gathered from their videos. They're clearly not hinging on being eye-candy so you'd think they'd try their best at getting audience attention with writing but so many of their promotional work isn't promising. It honestly feels like the character designer makes a character and tries to match it to the closest culture so they can post it onto tiktok and claim their brownie points.

No. 2261464

File: 1731647931738.png (2.63 MB, 2137x1144, nu anime crap.png)

Speaking of this. Can someone help me figure out why this nu anime style is so ugly and off-putting? imo its
>lack of shadows makes the characters look flat
>weird proportions, characters have gigantic bobble heads with otherwise realistic bodies

i think it would also benefit from having a softer looking lineart instead of being just pure black.

No. 2261472

>>2261264
>nepo baby
Interested in knowing who, the only one I can recall as nepo baby is Paru, daughter of the Baki guy, though she hid her identity and wore a chicken mask during the star of her career.
Does Kishimoto's twin brother count? He wrote 666 Satan and is still sorta around.

No. 2261474

>>2261472
There is also Miyazaki's son.

No. 2261475

>>2261464
nu anime style is a style with all of animes charm sucked out with only the western crumbs left behind

No. 2261476

Does anyone else have an art enemy? someone you want to surpass and it inspires you to draw and practice.

No. 2261477

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>>2261444
NTA but I just think he has gayvoice. But also I assume it’s a moid because this is the type of art I expect from an autistic moid kek. Generic, crappy, and mildly offputting/uncanny, particularly in the face.
I’ve never seen tifs with a style like this, but I have seen similar from gay moids and autistic moids.

No. 2261478

>>2261477
>I’ve never seen tifs with a style like this
literally all tifs have this ugly ass style

No. 2261479

>>2261464
Poses are pretty janky on your picrel, which contribute to the bland feeling

No. 2261481

>>2261474
>the movie Miyazaki walked out of and the weird looking 3d movie.
Ngl that one is kinda sad.

No. 2261482

>>2261481
I fucking hate his son, i am a huge ursula k leguin fan and that movie was such a dissapointment.

No. 2261485

>>2261449
Thanks for giving me permission to truly reach peak sperg nona

The first character design is acceptable, but Mr Topaz's nephew's design SUCKS. Why are they mixing up hanfu with a tang suit? That's not the same damn era. Also, tang suits are inspired by manchurian clothing while hanfu originates from before that. The hanfu coat isn't even drawn properly - his sleeves would be twice as large and flowy, and they aren't the same shape. If they're afraid it'd be too troublesome to animate, just get rid of the coat! Why does he have a western collar? Why are the knot-and-loop buttons drawn so thick when they are drawn correctly on the first design??

Ayla looks Chinese-coded with her obvious qipao-style collar and the green jewellery that looks like jade. Plus her narrow eyes. How in the world is she English? I don't know anything about English clothing but still. Her outfit is just so generic - it's like cowboy mashed up with secretary, which could be good but it's just boring here. Also, her muddy outfit colours aren't good with that bright hair.

Why does the Vietnamese knight have western armour? Why is every kingdom weirdly westernised? Please don't tell me they're going to include colonialism as a subplot. Those green sleeves for the knight are an eyesore. What is this knockoff Barbie the Princess and the Popstar dress for Queen Estelaria's design??? They could've gone so hard with the Vietnamese fashion, I am so incredibly disappointed at the missed chances here.

Mr Manner's name makes me laugh. Why is the pattern like this with those weird side-rib things. Ms Arcadia looks like a secretary, you can't sense any German inspiration at all. Literally what is the point of putting references in this TikTok if it just makes everyone look worse? They could've tried giving her an ruffled skirt and frilly, wide-necked collar at least if the apron wouldn't fit. The pencil skirt is a waste. They could've given her a cute corset thing that sometimes shows up on cottagecore pinterest- German traditional clothing has something similar and it would've looked so cute and could have fit the formal teacher vibe too if designed right. Ms Helibe is boring.

Have fun trying to animate Head Chef Noemia you noobs lmao. Also, Taste kingdom being Brazilian-coded? Taste Kingdom? Since when was taste an element? Shouldn't it be spices???? What is this writing? God the Turkish characters are so ugly I don't even need to point out why

Anyways here's a tiktok as payment for my sperg - it's about Purple Vietnamese Girl's autism. It's very interesting seeing how certain artists lean more and more onto 'tell, don't show' when showing off their characters, especially when it comes to showing off how diverse they are. Like, making a good comic or animatic showcasing her personality would be wayyy better than infodumping for a minute straight on Tiktok, which is so boring.

No. 2261487

>>2261482
The fact that the movie was legimately not good just made the whole deal worse.

No. 2261488

>>2248483
Yes. It's also why they're so fixated upon having over-rendered penises in their porn.

No. 2261490

>>2261485
She's autistic too? it feels like they just throw darts at random words to decide parts of their character. Autistic women do not act like that either, she's neither akward or struggles to show emotions, she's just the archetypical himedere/tsundere.

No. 2261492

>>2261482
miyazaki is that you

No. 2261505

File: 1731651060109.jpg (1.14 MB, 2476x1935, 917292.jpg)

>>2261478
>literally all tifs have this ugly ass art style
Now you know that’s not true kek, a lot of tifs would have better art than this, or at least go for more appealing colors. Just compare it High Guardian Spice(by an actual tif) or even She-Ra reboot >>2261464 (also by a tif kek). Even if HGS is generic, it’s generically cute and you can tell it was made by a girl who loves magical girls. She-Ra looks like crap imo, but has cuter colors and sense of style. (not praise, just in comparison)
Also if the sunnyside creator was a tif, he’d be bragging by now about troon representation in his show

No. 2261507

>>2261505
Both she ra, guardian spice and the thing you posted look exactly the same.

No. 2261523

>>2261505
The poses in Sunnyside pic are atrocious but you can’t expect much when the whole production looks like a complete mess. I’d almost understand if this was some kid’s passion project but these people working on it are probably well into their 20s. It’s just embarrassing to look at.

No. 2261524

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This is so embarrassing

No. 2261527

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>>2261524
KEK I have seen pumpkin mention being poly elsewhere recently… I guess it's another addition to the special snowflake identities, it hasn't come up before right?

No. 2261528

>>2261524
She knows we can tell this is google translate right?

No. 2261536

>>2261507
If you can’t see the differences between those styles, then no point trying to convince you. Here’s the only tiktok where the creator appears. He’s a teenager here, judge for yourself if it’s a tif.
>>2261523
>kid’s passion project
Seems like it started out as one (creator’s twitter bio and an earlier tiktok mentions being a teenager) but the people who got hired on were grown adults. A bit confused how they’re getting paid considering the patreon only has 75 subs.

No. 2261551

>>2261528
ayrt, it's not google translated but it's very broken Japanese
However I'm not gonna correct her or point out her mistakes, she can get her Nihongo101 somewhere else.
>>2261527
Yeah, even zoomers on tiktok are talking about her multiple "partners"
Japanese OP is talking about wanting to treat everyone specially and pumpkin the gentlewoman is misinterpreting what she said and making everything about herself and her degeneracy lol

No. 2261561

>>2261229
The main issue I have with western indie animation is that it's always meant for 20-something adults who grew up watching cartoon network instead of being its own thing. Constantly trying to recreate the thing you like ends up with tryhard slop that's made for the very niche audience of adults who want to watch cartoons made for 12-year olds but that's still winking and nudging at their direction. It's independent so they do their thing and be happy I guess, but I still have to wonder at the waste of hours of manpower animating something that's best classified as a throwback to (show from the 00's) at best. I mean people can hate on Hazbin Hotel and Voltron all they want, I'm not a fan of neither, but at least they did something ambitious and original that stood out from the rest and gained a huge following because of it.

No. 2261576

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>>2261476
Art youtubers bc their art always shove themselves into my feed even if I don't actually watch them. I think some of them are really mid or straight up gross (I cannot respect Samdoesart or that one white guy who likes drawing black women weird at all). I also really think ayeoops' art is kinda boring and bland and I hate that she almost always draws faces at that same 3/4 angle. It reminds me not to be complacent with my art. At least I know I can be successful though if she is, so good for both of us. Are you salty about anyone nonnie?

No. 2261578

>>2261229
The one on the right is so disgusting, it's my most hated TIFcore art style, but this time adapted into animation.

>>2260760
>draws child character in a coomery way and people call him out on it
>says he only draws women he's attracted to
Way to tell on himself, kek. Did anyone point this out, and did he even have the balls to reply?

No. 2261581

>>2259654
Jesus, that's almost the same design, kek. Went from literally Jotaro to a clone of another character.

No. 2261583

>>2260680
Nona since you teach could you tell me how exactly do you use reference? Does copying by looking at it improve my skills?

No. 2261596

>>2261576
Wy does the sketch look the same as the other art?

No. 2261603

>>2261581
Given the nlog vibes and 90s aesthetic, I think ari might be aping a bit of daria into her work.

No. 2261613

>>2261242
is that fucking mortadelo y filemon lol

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No. 2261619

>>2261402
imagine falling for an amateur urban legend like "same face syndrome"

No. 2261629

>>2261619
you have same face syndrome dont you

No. 2261630

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>>2261446
>the janitor is still dressed like a prince
what a visual clash

No. 2261635

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>>2261629
nta but i would much prefer same face anime blobs over ugly shoe horned diversity tumblr art or rcdarts tier shape theory character design. one is boring to look at, while the other are a crime against my eyes.

No. 2261640

>>2261629
yes. I put a lot more emphasis on whole body shape design instead of obsessing over face details that make everyone jarring and harder to draw. Now I draw faster, more expressive, and my art is more appealing.

No. 2261646

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>>2261635
i wasnt really talking about western sjw unique faces but urasawa naoki unique faces
>>2261640
well i havent seen your art but it just seems youre just excusing your laziness to improve

No. 2261647

>>2227083
Is this where the like bags of sand meme is coming from?

No. 2261667

>>2261576
Shhhhh nonnie, Ethan Becker lurks this thread to try and defend his tumor filled fetish art about black women! You can’t say you hate him out loud….

No. 2261669

>>2261667
Does he actually lurk? Kek

No. 2261673

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>>2261578
Most people with an actual brain knew he was a creepy pedophile, as I saw in this Reddit thread, but he just posted a more realistic photo of the child he was already insulting and then said he was telling a joke. But since he’s a large male artist, his career is fine and he still draws nothing but sex dolls. But if a female artist has a character a bit too short they’ll be run off the internet for their autopedo. Classic.

No. 2261674

>>2261669
Yep, and tries to defend himself kek

No. 2261682

>>2261674
LMAO are there screenshots?

No. 2261686

>>2261682
>>2231707
Lurk the thread.

No. 2261690

>>2261686
Boring ass /ic/ tier response.(infight bait)

No. 2261692

>>2261482
To be fair the first time he directed a movie he was pretty much forced into it while having no experience and while his deadbeat misogynist dad refused to help him in any way. The 3d movie wasn't even meant to be a normal movie, just a christmas special in Japan, and he was given a team of newbies who had never worked at Ghibli. Ironically Miyazaki did help a bit with that and even approved of it. Then he also directed another Ghibli movie (the ones about planes I think) and it was pretty nice. Goro is such an unlucky bastard.

No. 2261693

>>2261690
the fucking context is in this very thread, are you so fucking retarded and your hands paralyzed you cant scroll up? so you need everything to be spoonfed to you? sorry but this isnt ic you sped(responding to bait)

No. 2261697

>>2261693
Oh no you're angry at my post! Anyway. No1currs about Ethan Becker either way.(bait)

No. 2261773

>>2261697
Why the fuck do so many of you love to act like Regina George on here.

No. 2261792

>>2261402
This legitimately looks like those cheesy flash animations and flash animated games you'd find online in the early 2000s. Except they want you to pay money to have a whole plotted out show with this crap.

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No. 2261811

>>2261477
These designs look hideous and super Tumblr-fanarty. Where they are inspired by anime, but have to make everything turbo-diverse and "realistic" and avoid same face. Why are there two purple characters too? I wish there wasn't this whole magical YA Tumblr school adventure coming-of-age genre. I don't know how to explain it, but it's so samey and boring. I would love to redesign these characters, but I'm scared my art style would clock me kek

No. 2261812

>>2261402
would it kill indie animators to get good at timing/the animation itself first before jumping into the deep end? they polish (or 'polish' kek) everything else except the choppy, awkward movement (even animation done with limited frames can look good if you get your timing and poses right), and it also feels as if their characters have been designed to a level of complexity that their animators can't really handle yet, which to me is a sign of scope creep during early stages of this project

No. 2261816

>>2261796
Please tell me whos the artist of this artdoll

No. 2261827

>>2261412
>shot of discord with a wall of comments for minor design tweaks after a simple concept was submitted with no alternate options for the 'art director'/'director' to pick from before requesting alterations/revisions, wasting time
ugh getting animation uni war flashbacks kek

>we're a very indecisive team

then don't leave it up to the team to decide, nominate someone to fill this crazy useful and novel role known as a director or art/character lead. Get someone with a good eye and a concrete vision to make these kinds of decisions and your project will improve immensely.

lastly, whoever decided to divide this fantasy world into 52 kingdoms should be slapped, that is way, way too many and will spread both studio resources and audience investment too thin.

No. 2261841

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>>2261669
Do you think if we make enough of a stink about his shitty art he’ll make another video about it?

No. 2261854


No. 2261918

>>2261816
Gift of mercury

No. 2261926

>>2261827
Yeah just watching that video gave me a headache. Working in a team that doesn't have a lead is a nightmare. And they simply aren't going to finish 52 kingdoms if they needed one year to draw a cat kek

No. 2261934

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>>2261477
You guys are better at clocking than me, but smells of male imo

No. 2261949

>>2261827
Do you really think they would be able to handle it if a team leader told them to change their shitty OCs? They're "indecisive" because they have no sense of professionalism and have to tiptoe around each other's feelings. The entire team would collectively spiral and go on suicide watch kek

No. 2261960

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>>2261934
That’s not the creator(Amin Shirazi), that’s one of the VAs(Justin Saint), not sure why he used that guy’s face in that one moment kek. Look at the “how do we choose our VAs” tiktok. >>2261536 is the only video where the creator somewhat shows face. Harder to tell imo because he’s a teenager in that. But his manner of speaking(like on his account picrel) also makes me lean to gay moid lol

No. 2261963

>>2261960
I agree that this seems like a gay guy. Probably the Disney adult kind kek

No. 2261977

>>2261576
Not only that but most of these new art artTubers have boring af personalities, im referring to those "tame" arttubers that do "cozy" look at my sketchbook videos with the occasional art drama video like the picrel you posted. I think they are all fake af and put an unproblematic persona so they can get viewers and followers. I miss the 2015-2019 period of arttubers when they would rant/blog while they drew. They seemed more real and transparent even if they were off-putting to some like Holly Brown who was an absolute cow with crappy art but she was actually entertaining.

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I hate how the creator of this shit is so pathetically desperate.yeah I'm going to support indie animation but not yours kek because it is the most lamest and most predictable crap there is,it's basically High Guardian Spice 2.0 at least High Guardian Spice had fun colors despite how bad it was.

No. 2262314

Has anyone been losing Twitter ollowers like crazy lately? Part of me thinks it's due to people migrating to Bluesky and deleting their Twitter accounts but still, my numbers have been bleeding for a while.

No. 2262333

>>2261464
At least autistic turboweebs will put their whole back into emulating a genuine anime artstyle out of sheer autistic love for the medium instead of settling for a weird in-between.
>>2261485
>They could've gone so hard with the Vietnamese fashion, I am so incredibly disappointed at the missed chances here.
That's dogshit tumblrite "diverse" character design in general for you. None of the appealing (actually hard to draw) ethnic styles and features of the culture they're trying to represent. But you're certainly supposed to clap and give brownie points just as much as when they put in ugly angry fat black girl but woke. Give me a fucking break. I find this type of design just as infantilizing as I did in the 2010s

No. 2262336

>>2262314
Its as you said, people are deactivating their accounts to avoid the AI datascraping in favour of bsky. People have already been deactivating/migrating for a while now, the current change to TOS making it impossible to opt out and other shitty changes to the site was the final push for many to delete their accounts.

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>>2261464
They only know the unimportant stylistic details like people with funny colored hair and bug eyes without understanding what actually makes it look good (proportions especially) so it always ends up looking worse than picrel. Everything is some stupid vague blob shape with no details whatsoever to add visual interest like shadows, simple clothing folds, or shine on the hair. There's no definition on… anything. It's flat as shit. It's stiff and forced and the faces look derpy and amateur. There are literal 14 year old weeb girls who can draw more appealing characters than this.

No. 2262405

>>2261371
>Fantasy setting
>Character highlight: "(real life ethnicity)-coded"
This is how I spot a retarded project. Vid unrelated

No. 2262431

>>2262405
This dude has to have family funding this shit. There's no other way he's managed to gather such a large group of people to work on and help shill this. Plus, the animation looks incredibly janky and everything is so unfinished. I don't see how he has established actors that are willing to vouch for it so hard with it being so unfinished.

No. 2262433

>>2260410
Get a bf who only writes media that only has men in it or has 0 romance in it

No. 2262447

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>>2261485
>Quirky idol from Asia with a pink color scheme, is a hardcore gamer who is literally a "diva"

No. 2262464

>>2262336
At this point, is there even a good site for artists anymore? Muskrat keeps fucking twitter over, tumblr is tumblr, bluesky is bare bones… I would consider cara but I'm not sure people still use that site lol

No. 2262476

>>2261477
Considering this is planning to be an animation with investment and money thrown into it.
The art skill is shit you can see how stiff and blocky it is even for tumblr blob style.
The character designs are an absolute joke, theres nothing thats stands out about these characters there the run of the mill random tumblr fantasy ocs you'd scroll past without noticing. Look how muddy and ugly the colour schemes are its so amateurish and a disgrace, for example the purple one only have varied saturations of purple its shows their lack of skill and sense of color theory hence playing safe. Despite the fact they looked at ethnic clothing from different cultures this is the best they could come up with? Honestly I hope there is a trend where all the artists redraw and redesign these catastrophies cause they all look like ass.

No. 2262480

>>2262476
It just shows that their "research" for each culture was probably the first 5 things they saw on Pinterest. A lot of traditional clothing from countries all over the world tends to be bright and colourful, but in a way that isn't even remotely coloured like this kek

No. 2262488

>>2262333
Yeah, I get the impression it's not only a skill issue - I think artists like these tend to be extremely disconnected and sheltered from actual different cultures. Or they don't actually know how to observe the world around them because they're mostly stuck in their own head or at home. They don't even know how to study a picture correctly. It's so embarrassing to fail so hard at something they deem so important.

>>2262405
I could not bear to watch the entire video of them glazing the shit out of their cartoon, but I'm still gonna shit on them anyways. I hate how artists 'tell, not show' to promote their cartoons. Wouldn't it be better to make some cringe meme animatics, or whatever zoomer gendies are doing on TikTok, instead of making your poor voice actors promote it? I'm not saying I actualy like TikToks like this one, but I stilll think it's more effective than 3.5 minutes of sheer glazing. At least you can actually (sort of) learn about the characters and form an impression of them without randoms hammering into your head how good this cartoon is going to be.

>>2262476
On the rare chance that the pilot is released, I really do hope the character designer gets mogged by rando artists online. I'd love to see it.

I theorise that if the pilot releases, it might flop not because the art is bad, but because the musical parts are. People can tolerate bad art like this because it's not eye-searingly ugly, but bad audio is another story. Judging by zoomers' taste in music, maybe I am dead wrong.

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>>2261476
brujoari. i really like their style and 2000s aesthetic crap but i hate the legion of nlog gendies and titchop art they've influenced. i wanna gitgud in that style so i dont have to constantly see aiden shit injected into aesthetics i like

No. 2262773

>>2262336
you can opt out though. It's right there in the grok privacy options

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>>2262773
Oh wow, this has been there since summer and I've never seen anyone talk about it

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>>2262821
>>2262773
The setting only applies to interactions you have with the AI chatbot, grok. As of Nov 15th, the ToS has been changed so that all your account posts and media can be used for unspecified AI models. Regardless if it wasn't the AI policy causing people to leave, it would be the site being unusable without plugins (e.g. search feature is completely broken, replies are overrun with bots, DMs are overrun with bots, algorithm is driven by rage engagement)

No. 2262947

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>>2262821
Nah there were posts back then going around telling people to opt out of grok too. This time, people were saying that the new update would take away the option to opt out, but it’s clear that wasn’t true. I feel bad for the artists who DFE because of this, but I like that bluesky is starting to look like a serious contender now. Xitter was already hellish to use for a while. Kind of funny that the biggest shift came about because of basically a false assumption though kek.

No. 2262950

>>2262947
samefag of >>2262946 Ill take my L, thanks for elaborating with the updated ToS. Though even if its misinformation, Im glad people are finally doing the final push of deleting their account/becoming inactive. What has setting mass exoduses back were accounts making bsky/alt accounts then immediately going back to twitter anyways causing engagement in the other site to go down. I will admit Im sad about the art I couldnt archive in time before the DFE, though Im not too sore about it since twitter no longer allows you to scroll more than 7+ years of tweets so its not like I couldve archived everything from my time on twitter anyways.

No. 2262952

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>>2261477
The old design is more charming
>>2262947
Is bluesky really worth trying or is it just a deader and shittier twitter?

No. 2262957

>>2262952
>more charming
Why lie

No. 2262958

>>2262952
Whose the pedophile in the back?

No. 2262963

>>2262952
Aw this has charm kek, obviously it's nowhere near TV show standard but it looks like a comic a kid would draw and then excitedly hand you to read.
>>2262958
KEK why is he also so realistically dressed compared to the kids

No. 2262980

I want to start art again but I can’t draw anymore… how do you get inspired again honestly

No. 2262986

>>2262952
Bluesky doesn't really have an algorithm, so while you don't have to worry about exposure RNG and tip toeing around key words that would tank your engagement, you do have to push more effort on putting yourself out there such as using tags or interacting with posts so other users can build their timeline off yours. What I enjoy about bsky is that there's an actual incentive to comment and communicate with users, a feature long obsolete on xitter after blue checkmarks and bots have overrun and ruined commenting on the site.
Best of luck if you end up creating an account!

No. 2262989

>>2262952
Bluesky is like twitter but without the incels, fascists and those types of people, since those stayed on twitter.

No. 2263020

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Man i just miss her old style no other artist hits like this

No. 2263023

>>2263020
Who is this

No. 2263028

>>2263023
The unmedicated chinese fatfag also known as mgong520 on the shitter

No. 2263030

>>2263023
mgong520/salvatore

No. 2263044

>>2263028
You forgot toddlercon too

No. 2263045

>>2262980
Why do you want to do art? I'm sure you have something you want to make.

No. 2263049

>>2262947
>the grok thing was overstated
Honestly kind of based that a bunch of people jumped ship off of an assumption, purely because I hate xitter, but I'm kind of glad I never DFE'd. It was just slightly fishy enough for me to justify not nuking while maintaining a bluesky. I'm still entirely pessimistic but I hope to god this isn't a nothingburger. Much as I don't think it will happen I hope bluesky takes off because I hate literally any other option right now or can't make short vids.

No. 2263099

>>2263020
She gets brought up in every godamn thread at this point, but I don't get what was so special. Is cell shading really that much better than rendermaxxing? Am I just dumb?

No. 2263151

nvm changing questions, anybody have the torrent for proko's course?

No. 2263234

>>2262950
you can request an archive of your entire account data and files, it's in the same options as delete account. It takes a few days and they send it via email.

No. 2263378

>>2263099
Weebs have bad taste. All you need to do to appeal to them is make every line and color super crisp and clean without any value hierarchy, add a million useless details, and some forced perspective. >>2263020
The anatomy on this anime man is atrocious.

No. 2263425

One of my drawings kind of blew up, after years and years of drawing and getting no attention. Now I'm scared to post other drawings because they may not be as good as that one. Fuck.

No. 2263533

>>2262488
>Urgh I hate those zoomers
>Mogger, flopped, glazing etc
Kek

No. 2263543

>>2263425
It's possible your next drawing is going to flop anyway no matter what it looks like because social media is built like a slot machine and it just gave you a big payout
Draw something you like, pandering will only make you into an unhappy hostage to your audience

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>>2263099
Shes rather talented in drawing character interactions and incorporating them within the background. I wouldnt call her a master of art or one of the best, but she certainly has skill and her art is pleasing to look at (or at least was, her current rendermaxxing style is undecipherable and muddy to look at sometimes)

No. 2263786

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I miss when Holivi used to draw things that weren't just furry goonslop. She has such a vivid painting style but all she does is draw bimbos with animal heads getting gangbanged by horsedongs.

No. 2263811

>>2263099
People have different taste in art, go figure.

No. 2263817

>>2263378
>add a million useless details
The fuck does this mean, god forbid some artists put details in their art dont simpify them until they look like those corporate blobs. You are going to have an aneurism if you see the amount of detail in classical art.

No. 2263818

>>2263769
I love the way she drew that woman. Is this fanart of something?

No. 2263836

>>2262756
>their
>they've
She's a woman

No. 2263840

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>>2263818
atyrt, theyre ocs as far as i know. she doesnt draw them anymore unfortuntaely and were prevalent in her 2019-2020 era. You can still find them via her twitter but be warned she has dubious shota bait art in her gallery

No. 2263841

>>2263818
DA but I think those are her OCs, at least the glasses one is.

No. 2263843

>>2263840
She needs to go back to her cute boy ocs all she draws now is fat TIF yuri.

No. 2263848

>>2263843
This, please. I was genuinely invested in those old OCs she had with the chubby glasses boy, the white haired woman and the big blond guy. Her art made the setting seem so alive and interesting. Right now all she draws is her Salvatore story and while I'm glad she draws what she enjoys and she seems to have gotten a lot of success with it, I find it just so inferior.

No. 2263858

>>2263848
>>2263843
unfortunately the salvatore story is her cash cow, and if she even moves on from it, she'll probably stick to her niche which is fatfag major rip offs since its what led to her sudden popularity surge.
shes unstable and thrives off attention so its unlikely she'd go back to drawing something that wouldnt bring as much engagement as salvatore (that makes me wonder what happened to the monster girl that used to be drawn with salvatore before daphne came along)

No. 2263896

Can't progress at all. Have little time for drawings. Nuking my socials.

No. 2263911

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>>2263858
even her older major rip off was better than the fat tif

No. 2263920

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there's an ai image circulating around that got pretty popular. people were losing their heads because they couldn't tell it apart from a regular man-made illustration. ai is getting good at this, it's scary

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>>2263920
samefag, thought this interaction was kinda hilarious though

No. 2263923

>>2263920
Its most than likely a lazy artist with at least a bit of knowledge of art retouching AIshit.

No. 2263925

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>>2263911
Behold! The one true queen of art!

No. 2263926

>>2263920
Is this really ai? I want to die

No. 2263927

>>2263925
I miss this style so much, she had such a way to make the small details pop out. At least she's still young, 23 i think, so she will probably keep getting better and hopefully move on from her newer style. I actually kinda like what she's doing with the colors and illustrations for her yuri comic.

No. 2263929

>>2263920
if ai gets good enough to replace generic coomer art im all in for these tards having to find a real job. gone were the days of coomers spending their bux on sakimichan patreon slop, AI has taken their spot so now the grifters have to either git gud or get an actual job

No. 2263932

>>2263920
image kind of proves my point that all ai will replace is the soulless engagement bait art that everyone forgets an hour after liking or rt'ing
>noooo ai can mimic my boring 1girl miku furry hatsune image!!! nooooo!!!
blame humanity for creating such easily imitable slop lol. based ai

No. 2263934

>>2263920
>spending their time making cat miku instead of the vrmmo of my shitty teen weeb dreams

No. 2263936

>>2263932
>>2263929
>ai is so based because [person i disagree with] gets owned LOLZ, that totally makes up for AI being used to make cp and deepfakes of women
some of you are starting to sound like contrarian trannies/alt right moids

No. 2263975

>>2263840
>she has dubious shota bait
I wouldn't say dubious bait when its been confirmed shes a pedophile in the last threads. Dont be obtuse about it

No. 2263979

>>2263975
I wish she was a shotafag, instead she draws fat lesbians.

No. 2263991

>>2263979
Yeah the fat tif that rapes children

No. 2263995

>>2263975
I know, shes nuked the more explicit ones from her account and what she has left could "pass off" as chibi but thats pushing it. im not here to moralfag whether you can separate an artist from her art, im just here to answer nona's questions dont shoot the messenger

No. 2264000

>>2261371
>>2261384
Even Dollightful do tons of research for a fucking doll.

No. 2264015

>>2263995
>what she has left could "pass off" as chibi
I can tell that the toddlercon porn she posted was definitely not chibi before she nuked it. it had been posted her before but it got deleted on account it literally being toddler porn. She has also tweeted about her fat cuntboy sucking little boy dicks so I'm not sure who you're fooling here. There no need to separate mgong from her art because mgong doesn't draw sfw or non pedo topics in her art she draws her paedophilic desire .I dont want this to deleve into mgong wk 2.0 spergfest again when mgong herself has provided enough evidence for it

No. 2264020

>>2264015
>because mgong doesn't draw sfw or non pedo topics in her art
NTA but 90% of mgongs art is SFW.

No. 2264023

>>2263920
The collar does look clearly AI to me. I've seen people say it can be human error but something about it just looks distinctly AI. When you stare at AI images enough I feel like you can start to "just tell". I wonder if a thread about trying to figure out with anons if something is AI generated or not would be allowed.

No. 2264034

>>2264023
no human capable of drawing at that level would make such a stupid kindergartener mistake and post it to twitter

No. 2264040

>>2264023
>I wonder if a thread about trying to figure out with anons if something is AI generated or not would be allowed.
That would be fun actually, i like the idea.

No. 2264058

>>2263925
Man this is hideous, I actually feel nauseous. I guess art really does evoke strong emotions.

No. 2264059

>>2264040
I dont think we need more ai threads, they get spammed as much as now

No. 2264141

>>2264023
Another hint I noticed is the subtle orange "glow" on her thigh highs. Idk how to explain it but a lot of ai pics seem to have it

No. 2264152

File: 1731821979804.jpg (82.88 KB, 1280x655, 34ff8956-0560-4533-9928-23604e…)

>>2264141
Thats something a lot of artists do to be honest.

No. 2264153

File: 1731822060925.png (2.15 MB, 1290x1128, 6269042694279.png)

What is it with chinese artists and western sport autism? Can any nonas elaborate?

No. 2264154

>>2264153
its a commission its says it on the post. Also that artist rocks the fact shes in her 20s makes me depressed

No. 2264155

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No. 2264156

>>2264153
Oh is that the Ferrari autist?

No. 2264157

File: 1731822689484.png (4.89 MB, 1682x2048, dfafdas.png)

>>2264155
she posts photos of her cosplays its clearly a TIF

No. 2264158

>>2264157
I was about to say this kek, very obviously FTM, no MTF has those interests

No. 2264159

>>2264157
There’s tifs in china? That explains the cuntboy art.

No. 2264160

>>2264159
It's not really surprising considering how Misogynistic the culture is..but its mostly Shanghai or Hong Kongers . weird considering how strict China is on homosexuality

No. 2264161

>>2264158
Yeah the stuff she draws is so TIF-coded. Jojo, Golden Kamuy, Slam Dunk, baldurs gate , yakuza, etc

No. 2264163

>>2264161
>TIF-coded
that's just woman-coded

No. 2264164

File: 1731823189482.jpg (97.87 KB, 1080x705, Screenshot_20241116_225608_Bra…)

>>2263920
Sure, anon.
Like >>2264023 said, the collar is a dead giveaway. Not even a beginner would forget to draw the triangular frills on just one side.

No. 2264166

>>2264163
Tifs are normally more interested in media with older/rougher/fatter/weirder men though. I see less TIFs in fandoms that have prettier looking male characters.

No. 2264167

>>2263925
the artist has a nice style tbh it’s Unfortunate that she used it to draw that kind of thing kek

No. 2264168

>>2264166
>I see less TIFs in fandoms that have prettier looking male characters
You haven't seen the fujo tifs I see

No. 2264174

File: 1731824103197.jpg (1.63 MB, 1940x1415, 90469818_p5.jpg)

>>2264167
I admire her husbando autism tbh, fucking hate the major but she made some really good pieces of the character. She made an artbook too, but sadly its not available to buy anywhere.

No. 2264175

>>2264168
Yeah i have seen a bunch of them and they mostly are into shit like old man yaoi, or the dare make my bishies ugly. They are menace.

No. 2264177

>>2264166
Yeah, a lot of TIFs in the Enstars fandom, for instance. Also not every woman that like those is a TIF.

>>2264153
>>2263975
Why are female Chinese artists so fucking good but so fucked up in some way? Rei is also crazy good but she's an insane cow. Maybe I'm just cherry-picking though.

No. 2264182

>>2264177
>Why are female Chinese artists so fucking good but so fucked up in some way?
You need to be mentally ill to be good at drawing.

No. 2264184

>>2264174
IDGAF, I fucking love the way she draws fatties. It's extremely rare when someone draws a fat or even just chubby guy in a relatively appealing way (in particular, the face). Moids have fat fetish characters like Pochaco, Taruco or that elf from the fat elf manga, and male fat fetish characters are always bara (for gay men), that's why I like that she draws her fatties in a clean and more bishie-esque way. TIFs into fat men usually make them look stinky and unwashed and they also can't draw. And the ones that can draw make them TIFs with ugly body hair, facial hair and mastectomy scars.

>>2264182
>the better you are at art, the more mentally ill you are
Makes sense to me

No. 2264186

>>2264182
the artists on lolcow proves thats false, most artists just dont commit to improve

No. 2264195

>>2264186
There is a difference between batshit crazy mentally ill(average chinese artist) and retard that lacks self awareness(average lolcow art poster)

No. 2264203

>>2264195
nah you just want to believe a lie so you can excuse your lack of effort to put any work in learning art.

No. 2264207

>>2264203
Why are you projecting, lol. The biggest problem with artists on ic is that they are too narcissistic to realize they aren't good. If you translate tweets from schizo chinese/japanese artists they have thousands of tweets crying about how they need to study more because they arent good, even if they are amazing at art.

No. 2264210

>>2264207
>Why are you projecting, lol.
>The biggest problem with artists on ic
>ic
whos projecting on who? using the excuse of "too mentally ill" is just the new replacement for "born talented", you just want to find reasons to stay amateur in your craft

No. 2264214

>>2264210
Again, projecting hard. If you want to be a good artist you need to get rid of the dunning krueger first, which is what most artists here and on shitholes like ic have. Did you forget about that artist that was recommending loomis even though she couldn't properly apply his method herself? It doesnt matter how many books that type of artists pick up because they are too narcissistic to realize they aren't applying the methods correctly.

No. 2264270

>>2264214
Tbf she was just saying that loomis helped her improve, not that she became the ultimate authority at drawing heads but anons got mad because someone told them to crack open a book and study kek

No. 2264300

>>2264270
When someone told her she was a beg she got super pissed off though even though she is, indeed, still learning and a begginer.

No. 2264315

>>2264177
>fucked up
They're not even fucked up. Sports autism is fine. Freaking out and nuking your account when you notice 'woke' westerners crawling in your replies is understandable. I don't get why mgong is described as batshit crazy, she's just odd. Even her mopey venting is typical of artists going through a rough patch

No. 2264321

>>2263840
Cute drawing but it drives me FUCKING INSANE when artists give their kemonomimi characters two pairs of ears like this, like one of my biggest character design pet peeves kek. It's so lazy and bizarre looking.

No. 2264322

>>2264315
Nah, mgong is batshit crazy. She spergs at people that leave her comments for liking but not commenting. I love her, she's one of my favourite artists, but she's clearly going through something. I do enjoy crazy women so i don't mind.

No. 2264325

File: 1731841956485.jpg (131.67 KB, 736x1198, 1000029151.jpg)

>>2264321
Sage for incredibly niche anime autism, imo this is much better but nobody does it because it takes slightly more effort than sticking two triangles on the scalp.

No. 2264327

>>2264325
This looks ugly imo. It's anime, it doesn't have to be realistic.

No. 2264328

>>2264327
Yeah I know but thinking about the actual anatomy is so weird kek

No. 2264329

>>2264328
Anon animus have literal dot for noses, gigantic bulgging eyes, and lollipop proportions and your only problem is how realistic the animal ears are? realistically anime girls would have the same health conditions as pugs and would live miserable lives with broken necks for having to support those gigantic heads.

No. 2264333

>>2264329
The autistic pet peeve wants what it wants

No. 2264335

File: 1731842879067.jpg (274.71 KB, 850x805, sample_fa420b5dbe21e7872d0c5f5…)

>>2264333
What about the ones that dont have human ears, do they get the autism pass?

No. 2264338

>>2264335
>The autism pass
Kek yes I prefer those

No. 2264339

>>2264300
Because everyone was being rude as fuck about it for no reason even though the original anon she talked to didn't even care?

No. 2264342

File: 1731843417787.png (13.77 KB, 2397x112, anonny.png)

>>2264339
The anon that told her her art was okay for a begginer wasn't being rude and she jumped on her. She was defending her, actually. That anon honestly needs to get off her high horse and realize she's still a begginer, or she will never improve.

No. 2264363

>>2264325
Why do people feel the need to add realism to fictional beings? None of this matters, but all these winged being and animal ear on people tutorials pop up telling everyone that this is the definitive way of designing a creature. Do whatever, no one is gonna kick down the door and ping the "muh realism" police over pencil and pixels.

No. 2264365

>>2264322
>I do enjoy crazy women though so I don't mind
You're talking like she's a fictional character kek

No. 2264368

>>2264365
crazy women exist irl too dummy

No. 2264379

>>2264152
nta and you're right that it's not an inherently ai thing to do, but the fact that cat-miku has white fur but an ordinary skin tone showing through her tights is an art mistake I could see an ai making before an artist of the same skill level

No. 2264391

>>2264365
I suppose it helps them cope with what mgong actually is..a bpd attention whore pedophile…she has nothing on rei17 "I sabotage other pro artist " schizo ness atleast rei isn't a toddlercon

No. 2264396

>>2264363
>Why do people feel the need to add realism to fictional beings?
some people like to think about and work things out from a more functional perspective (often applying ideas from pet interests such as biology or engineering etc) while staying within an art style like anime, rather than attacking a design from a purely aesthetic angle

No. 2264398

>>2264391
You talking as if she was female dorontabi when she's only drawn shota like twice and the rest of her art is sfw art of her adult OCS kek you are so dramatic

No. 2264401

>>2261229
Update, Hearts of Titan have updated their designs with a marginal improvement.

Out of curiosity, have any nonas here worked on indie animation projects like this? I would love to know more about how working in a team works for indie animation.

No. 2264408

>>2264322
>She spergs at people that leave her comments for liking but not commenting.
Kek i forgot about that. Fair enough, that's insane

No. 2264415

>>2264398
NTA but wasn't there also a pedo loli couple in one of her stories?

>>2264315
>Freaking out and nuking your account when you notice 'woke' westerners crawling in your replies is understandable
Which of them did that? Based, tbh.

>>2264325
>for characters that would have half-shaved heads or undercuts
I once had to design a character with cat ears and short hair, he didn't even have an undercut, it was just not long enough hair (and it was slicked back) to disguise his Schrödinger's human ears kek, I never really thought about this until that day, then I realized it'd look weird if he was supposed to be a catboy but had two pairs of ears, so I gave them only one. But since his hair was slicked back, it looked weird as fuck and obviously different from other catpeople with long fluffy hair. Maybe it wouldn't have been so weird if I had drawn the cat ears this way.

No. 2264416

>>2264321
Personally, I'm the opposite. I hate the "animal ears only" mindset because the outcome always looks weird and uncanny and people loudly bitching about it sound like weird comic book guy tier nitpickers powertripping on people.

No. 2264417

>>2264398
Also some nonas here claim that she drew toddlercon that was bad enough to be deleted from here, I never saw it and I don't know if that's what you're referring to, but toddlercon is even viler than "regular" shota or loli.

No. 2264421

File: 1731851045190.jpg (15.33 KB, 320x320, 1000029173.jpg)

>>2264416
>people loudly bitching about it sound like weird comic book guy tier nitpickers powertripping on people

No. 2264424

>>2264415
>but wasn't there also a pedo loli couple in one of her stories?
No, wtf.
>>2264417
They were chibis of her adult characters as far as i remember. That anon is being super dramatic anyways, because 90% of her art is SFW and of her adult characters. She's making it sound as if its impossible to separate the art from the artist when she isnt even known as a NSFW artist, let alone a shota one.

No. 2264426

>>2263920
It's only believable because the AI has millions of Miku pics and anthro cat pics to work off of.

No. 2264431

>>2263920
Very very subtle clue is that the twintail on the right isn't actually touching her head. You have to zoom in but you can tell.

No. 2264433

File: 1731852052812.png (3.26 MB, 1684x1778, redesign.png)

>>2264401
They look mostly the same except more overdesigned

No. 2264434

>>2264433
I can tell exactly which beloved Tumblr fandom characters these started out as recolours of.

No. 2264439

>>2264433
Why can't they ever draw hands right

No. 2264440

>>2264434
Which ones? for me its
>black haired fag from voltron
>zarya or one of the buff gems from SU
>harley quinn or demencia(villanous)
>this one i cant tell, probably pidge from voltron but fat and with a goatee

No. 2264465

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>>2264417
>here claim that she drew toddlercon that was bad enough to be deleted from here
>>>/m/291448 it was definitely posted here if you dont trust me you can also take these anons in account >>>/ot/1859304 mgong being a pedophile isnt some new revelation its quite old news actually (you fags couldve just searched her name here and gotten ample proof of it), most of her toddlershit got nuked after she got popular in the west and also since she was known to delete her alt porn accounts in her bpd mania but you can still visit her other alts like onlysalvat where she details how she wants her cuntboy oc to fuck children but sure.. these are only "exaggerations"…if you were fucking blind

No. 2264468

>>2264440
Yes, these are EXACTLY the same characters I was thinking of kek, though the Harley Quinn one is also dressed like Roxanne Wolf

No. 2264476

File: 1731854737621.jpg (Spoiler Image,360.44 KB, 1200x994, toddlerconshitcensor.jpg)

>>2264465
samefag actually i found it unfortunately( the nips really do archive everything) now im going to go and bleach my eyes its censored

No. 2264480

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>>2264433
Thank you for compiling the designs nonnie! I have to say the weakest design has got to be the purple guy. I literally cannot tell anything about his character other than he's maybe a bit shy. Why is he monochromatic and desaturated? Fourth character has a similar problem but now they even removed the fact she was a non-passing TIF, making her even less memorable. Also, I don't really get the whole clown obsession artists have these days.

Keith ripoff even turns into a purple alien like popular fan AUs (idk I never watched Volron I just know purple keith is galran). But this Keith ripoff is also some sort of Twitch streamer or internet celebrity so at least it's not entirely a ripoff.

No. 2264481

>>2264480
>>2264433
Of course this is the kind of show a former VLDfag would make.

No. 2264484

>>2264465
Yes, saying ''There no need to separate mgong from her art because mgong doesn't draw sfw or non pedo topics in her art she draws her paedophilic desire '' when most of her art is SFW and of her adult OCs is exaggerating.

No. 2264488

>>2264433
>>2264401
>>2261229
I love how it's always incredibly obvious which characters are the writer's favourites.

No. 2264489

File: 1731855226212.jpg (449.11 KB, 1581x2048, mgong520-1327249635371454467-2…)

>>2264476
those are chibis though shes drawn those characters normally before

No. 2264490

>>2264476
>>2264489
I genuinely have no idea who mgong is so I have no stake in this fight, but those are not "just chibis" kek

No. 2264492

>>2264490
But they are though, i posted how the character normally looks.

No. 2264493

>>2264484
>nooo my totally based chinese pedo artist who draws toddlerporn cannot be a pedophile! those are adults!!
cognitive dissonance is really something isnt it huh? you have your proof infront of you, im sure if mgong were a moid the consensus wouldve been different here

No. 2264498

>>2264433
Adding random geometric shapes doesn't make a design better. The newer version looks worse imo

No. 2264501

>>2264493
what? thats not what i said at all, i just said that people can separate the art from the artist in mgong's case because most of what she draws isnt even NSFW.

No. 2264502

>>2264498
Harley Quinn knockoff in particular looks atrocious now, how many clashing colours does she need? I do like the smiley face design on the boots though. Also I love how Tumblrwashed Pidge is literally the same but standing at a different angle kek

No. 2264526

>>2263936
>knives are bad because they can kill people!! ban knives!!(infighting)

No. 2264530

>>2264501
>in mgong's case because most of what she draws isnt even NSFW.
sure thats because she draws that pedo shit on her alts! hope that clears your yellow fever glasses.

No. 2264537

>>2264530
I dont know if you just dont read or if you are just dense. No one is denying she's never drawn shota, but people are saying that they can like her SFW art, which is the majority of her portfolio. What dont you get?

No. 2264544

>>2264526
you have your aishit containment to bootlick your cp-feed machine(infighting)

No. 2264569

>>2264492
I don't think you know what a chibi is kek

No. 2264572

>>2264489
The blue ghost still looks like a kid here tho

No. 2264574

>>2264569
No, i dont think you know because i posted how she normally draws those characters to make a comparison and you seem to have ignored it.

No. 2264579

>>2264574
He looks baby

No. 2264583

>>2264579
yeah its a chibi, chibis look like that

No. 2264588

>>2264583
You just said you posted a pic of them drawn normally, he looks like baby in both.

No. 2264593

>>2264588
lol okay but ones of them is chibi and the other isnt, that's my point. Shes drawn the roided demon thing in the same chibi style and her adult characters too.

No. 2264594

>>2264583
will you stop lying already? we arent blind here its just making you seem pathetic, there are more nonpedo chinese artists outthere stop wking for mgong the pedo

No. 2264597

>>2264593
Oh okay, so he just looks the same in both I get it now.

No. 2264599

>>2264594
but they are chibis though? chibis are smaller stylized versions of normal characters, i `posted the comparison. I never denied shes a shotafag, just that in the drawing you posted its obviously chibi and not toddlercon. Anyways, most of her art is of her adult characters anyways, so its retarded to hang onto the weird shit she draws when it's not even what she's known for.

No. 2264601

>>2264599
Honest question, do chibis regularly get fucked by non chibi dicks? Or at all?

No. 2264604

>>2264601
how does that negate it being a chibi though? you can draw cringy sexualized chibi art it doesnt negate its chibi. Again, shes drawn the buff and her older characters in the same style, and yes also sexualized. Why do you care so much about her niche chibi and shota art though when most of her art is SFW? that's what i want to know.

No. 2264608

>>2264604
No I don't care, I am just curious and find it amusing the chibi and the actual OC look the same. So I am guessing by your response chibis don't get fucked often.

No. 2264610

File: 1731859970453.jpg (69.14 KB, 850x626, __original_drawn_by_mgong520__…)

>>2264599
you keep insisting theyre "chibis" but nowhere have i seen mgong mention that herself because mgong draws chibis like this..so youre just lying out of your ass

No. 2264615

File: 1731860275434.png (Spoiler Image,2.94 MB, 4316x1413, exampleee.png)

>>2264610
nah shes drawn her adult ocs like that before too, pic rel. The demon is the one from the drawing >>2264489

No. 2264616

>>2264615
those chibis still dont look like anything like the toddler here >>2264476 you sure are sucking mgongs boots real hard arent you kek

No. 2264618

>>2264616
they look exactly the same but you will never admit it because it goes against your vendetta. I genuinely dont understand why you hate her so much, yeah shes drawn shotashit so what? thats not most of what she draws or what shes known for. Her drawing weird shit doesnt discredit her skill either.

No. 2264619

>>2264618
>vendetta
kek you truly are mgong bravest knight,keep bootlicking the pedophile you pedofag wont make it any less gross you consume a toddlercons art

No. 2264621

>>2264599
nona honest question. are you genuinely retarded

No. 2264670

>>2264572
literally what I was going to say. what is she trying to convince us of? the more pictures get posted the more pedo this artist seems.

No. 2264693

>>2264618
I think you're trying to convince yourself at this point. Chibi's have quite a distinct style, and generally a set of "rules" on how to draw them, most of the time the head being pretty large in proportion to the body. "Character but smaller" isn't necessarily a chibi. But if that's your own definition, then I guess "character in child's body, which is technically a bit smaller than their regular body" could equal chibi.

No. 2264732

>>2264433
All the old designs were better excluding the Harley Quinn rip off.

No. 2264740

File: 1731872059589.jpg (153.17 KB, 650x650, Seethepedo.jpg)

>>2264615
See this is what I was talking about! Is mgong's art really so good ALL of these randoms here will constantly clit suck her and defend a clear pedo attracted to little boys? I might just have to skinwalk her artstyle if it gets me dick riders this dedicated.

Is it cause she's a le epic based asian artist shitting on us untalented evil baka westoids or is it because you doesn't want to admit you love shota? This ais an anonymous image board, nonnie.

No. 2264762

>>2264615
Those small drawings are fucking disgusting. She's a pedo.
>>2264489
Don't know why you posted this as some kind of defense, this is an adult character with a child character. There are hundreds of equally skilled artists, and equally skilled porn artists drawing non-pedo art, why dick ride this degenerate so hard.

No. 2264767

I rather anons be a mgong sperg than a mossacannibalis sperg, though I have no horse in this race.

No. 2264770

>>2264762
Because if mgong is a fat fetishizing TIF pedo, then gooning to her todlercon art makes her fans freaks too. So, by defending her, anon can try and convince herself she isn't one too.

No. 2264773

>>2264767
Both are pedophiles.just because mgong is a woman doesn't mean you still aren't consuming art of someone who makes baby porn

No. 2264775

>>2264767
I can hate both.

No. 2264779

Is it not common knowledge that loli/shota/toddlercon artists often use real kid's pictures as references? I hate the male artists more but this shit is indefensible no matter who it comes from, sorry but not sorry.

No. 2264780

>>2264767
Who the fuck is mossacannibalis?? Never heard of that guy.

No. 2264783

>>2264767
People should just understand that if they are consuming an artstyle they want to mimic, they don't have to accept everything they draw. It'd probably be more productive to understand these artists' references and inspirations and to get to the source of the stylization than to take these artists at face value, though. Or just browse a little bit of everything. Sure, mgong's stuff looks nice/satisfying but damn are those just not 'chibis'

No. 2264789

>>2264786
I lurk here terminally, is it the dude with "Crippling pedophilia" in his bio or something?

No. 2264791

>>2264780
Use the lolcow search feature for more info but heres the tdlr hes a south Korean pedophile who definitly uses real life cp as reference for his degenerate criminal shitart so much so he fears the police finding him out since what he draws is "illegal" in south korea

No. 2264793


No. 2264796

>>2264789
no, that's another one. see >>1699849

No. 2264806

>>2264793
Holy shit, he clearly has an odd fetish for native americans, and children I guess but that's just all moids

No. 2264808

File: 1731875470134.png (553.49 KB, 1024x2816, E4ZwQ.png)

>>2264359
Its just world building; It becomes an issue when it starts becoming preachy and used as a catch-all for all fantasy beings, but I honestly see nothing wrong with trying to work around and add mechanics to fantasy elements.
That is to say you dont have to do this and if you just want to draw a cute kemonini but kept the human ears so it doesnt look uncanny go for it, the great thing about fantasy is that you can justify it with "it just looks cool"

No. 2264822

>>2264401
>>2264433
They are even more uglier and cluttered than before.I hate this garbage so much.where the fuck are their foreheads??

No. 2264833

>>2264767
Seeing Moss' art on my timeline unironically makes me seethe with rage. I know cowtipping isn't encouraged but God I wish someone with brains who isn't on imageboards would see the evil spirit dwelling within each post he makes. He has one of those art styles where you just look at it and know he's demented. I don't know how many naked anime girls he can draw before someone decides to look through his past.

No. 2264835

File: 1731876604892.jpg (2.47 MB, 4096x2730, GLXIq6FacAA6AGK.jpg)

Anyone feel like shilling alternative chinese artists with the same or better art skills as mgong? Shes dime a dozen and her art has started to degrade in favour of rendermaxxing anyways, you dont have to feverently dickride the toddlercon fatfag if you just take a 5 second scroll down weibo and find other artists around her caliber that arent kid diddlers

I personally really like mianink/回转松狮, she has a similar macabre and cluttered composition style that mgong has sans the random colours and weird values mgong likes to slap around on her art

No. 2264863

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>>2264835
samefag, another chinese artist i would shill is Juanmaoao, and although her artstyle is more cartoonish and stylized compared to mgong, I adore her character design and how she portrays characters interacting with one another. I particularly love her snake lady x wolf lady art she made in collaboration with another artist _jianming_ also incredibly talented and skilled at comic making

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>>2264833
Isn't mossa an actual pedophile? Like not just a moefag lolicon but irl attracted to 3d kids pedo like minus8? He used to have a gallery filled with nothing but naked little girls but I think he purged it for branding reasons.
I just looked up his pixiv. The first line of his bio is literally 'i will not post nsfw of loli anymore'. Do moids really think that keeping it private will unpedo them or something lol

No. 2264917

>>2264434
my sides nona

No. 2264951

>>2264599
So it’s okay if it’s a chibi of a toddler?

No. 2264957

>>2264867
No but you don't get it, it's the same thing, female degen artists are just like korean pedophilic moids, this is pure logic

No. 2264958

>>2264599
Anon please.

No. 2265002

>>2264835
>>2264863
is there any Chinese artist that draws mostly men and the occasional women?

No. 2265083

>>2264867
Yeah, he's a genuine pedo. But can you fill me in on minus8? I thought he was just a regular pornsick scrote, I didn't know he had some loli art going on.
>>2264957
Please don't start this argument again, no one in this thread knows how these debates aren't just black or white topics.

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>>2265002
Plenty, though it depends on what youre searching for. You can find many who create fandom art exclusively, just search the corresponding tag on weibo/lofter, however if youre searching for OC/self insert art Im afraid Im not as knowledgeable on artists who fill that niche (I mostly follow artists who do a balance between female and male characters)

one that i can think of from the top of my head is @atie1225 on twitter, however she draws mostly BL content, both OC and fandom, so apologies if thats not what youre looking for.
Theres also @Sykine_R, shes very good at rendering and composition but shes currently drawing a lot of F1 scrotes with realistic features so just a warning if youre also not looking for art of 3DPD moids.

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>>2265099
samefag, examples of @Sykine_R's artwork

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>>2265083
Minus8 is a cow in himself. He's a self loathing attention seeker and has admitted to being a pedophile on several occassions, usually proceeding a DFE spree where he claims he'll leave the internet to "seek help" but never does. What's worse is that because he almost exclusively draws rule 34 of children's media like Nintendo a lot of alphas and zoomers claim he was their first exposure to porn. He's so prolific it leads me to believe he has an early porn introduction fetish like most troons do. I've always seen him as a prime example of why pedoshit is never 2D only and why mentally ill moids should have their online activity monitored. Porn of all kinds is illegal in South Korea so you know he's a poor uwu repressed tortured soul.

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>>2265106
Isn't he also one of those nonwhite guys who hates himself for it kek

No. 2265116

>>2265110
lol yeah. Self-hating asian but draws himself as a little brown shota.

No. 2265123

On topic of Chinese artists, does anyone have resources? I remember one anon posting free/pirated Chinese art courses/tutorials a long time ago but I can’t find it now.

No. 2265129

>>2265099
>oc and fandom content
Goated type of artist. Thank you nonna.

No. 2265137

>>2265099
atie is a shotacon btw she ships hisogon

No. 2265140

>>2265137
no1curr

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>>2265123
I dont have tutorial resources on what they teach in Chinese art academies or step by step guides unfortunately, however I do know some Douyin videos that show what art school entrance exams are like in China and crosshatching examples, such as user @199899553.

as for downloading Douyin, its easy to access. all it requires is downloading an API on your phone, you do not need an account to watch or search videos on the app

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Incredibly sorry for the delay in responding! Hope anons are still around.
>>2258147
What country are you from nona? If you're comfortable sharing, I'll go have a look at what opportunities you could take. Apart from that, you sometimes do need some connections/prior experience to get into a gallery, especially if you live rurally, whether that be through school or having your work exhibited through a competition or similar which sucks. Sometimes galleries will have open calls for submission/ongoing submissions on their websites, where you can send your portfolio and CV and artist statement (if they require it) so I'll recommend looking at galleries in your country, it doesn't really matter if it's local but if you can travel to the gallery (within a couple of hours or so) that'd help a little. I have zero experience of being scouted through social media, so I can't really comment on it but I'd check if the account is legitimate before submitting work to them. Highly recommend researching different galleries so you can decide which ones would be suitable for you so you don't get as many rejections. Also have no experience with international galleries so I can't comment on that either but from a brief skim over they seem to work the same.
>>2258806
I was going to recommend ultra based Avenlia Lesper but unfortunately she has none of her books available in English or digital form (just this excerpt: https://michaelbryson.net/academic/avelinalesper.pdf , this file will automatically download when you click but it is safe!), which leaves Eric Wayne who does write really good articles for free on his website (artofericwayne) but has very Redditesque "feminism/wokeism does nothing for me, a straight, white, male!!! wahhh!!" rambling intertwined in them sometimes which can ruin them a bit.
ot but for general epub/pdf recommendation Mushrooms, Russia and History by Valentina Wasson is a really interesting, albeit a bit heavy, dive into human history and the way different cultures viewed mushrooms and how that has impacted our language, both volumes should be on IA and have some very pretty watercolour illustrations

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Someone asked if you had an artist hate that you wanted to draw better than them: She was, back in the ol' days. I still wonder if she's alive and well, since her bf posted he lost "the love of his life" on '20.

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>>2265378
Maybe shes still alive?

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>>2265382
I have tried to find her posting in other pages, but her last posts are mostly like 10 years ago. Web Archive doesn't help neither in recovering her old artwork.

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>>2261476
Tanjeronie (picrel) or DeepSeaPrisoner/funamusea. I'm getting very close to Tanjeronie's level rendering but I lack the finish art everyday autism DSP has. Tanjeronie unironically makes me seethe because she's self taught, American and was 18/19 max when she drew picrel. Waxwings/yurucamp is another because of how she renders backgrounds and textures. I like a having a few so I'm not just obsessively fixated on one artist, kek.

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>>2264867
An anon claimed the same thing a few threads ago but just got him confused with some other lolicon artist

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>>2265435
tbh i wouldnt be surprised if he was consuming real life cp too korean moids tend to be extremely pedophilic

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>>2265435
>>2264867
It takes two second to scroll up you retarded newfags. Yes he is a pedophile getting off on child slave rape, anon even linked the original proof from a year ago >>2264793

No. 2265459

>>2265445
He could be but despite the old anon claiming he openly admitted to being a pedophile/referencing kids they couldn't provide screenshots, which is dumb because dontabi and minus8 have proof of their pedophilia beyond Loli stuff

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>>2265459
NTA but does it even matter? Lolicon is lolicon, if he references other lolicon artists he is likely to be referencing cp by osmosis because of how common that practice is. Lolicon w/o referencing cp is also still illegal in South Korea.

No. 2265462

>>2265451
I already know he likes Loli,I'm referring to the part where anon says
>Like not just a moefag lolicon but irl attracted to 3d kids pedo like minus8?

No. 2265467

>>2265462
He literally has an ironic "I am (not) mossa, I am (not) pedophile" in the bio of the screenshot. It can't be more obvious, on top of talking with artists who straight up post their cp studies and shitting himself over korean cp laws. All you have to do is click the quote and use your eyes, it's not hard. You can do it, I believe in you.

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>>2265467
> "I am (not) mossa, I am (not) pedophile"
I admit I missed that part

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I wish I wasn't so bad at drawing to make paper dolls

No. 2265499

>>2265491
Not to be a tard, but can you explain the appeal of paper dolls, nonna? Are they regular dolls but flat? I can't understand the appeal over "normal" dolls. I think the designs people make can be so cute, but I'm afraid I'll mangle them with my autist hands kek

No. 2265504

>>2265499
I'd say the biggest appeal is the possibilities. If you are decent at drawing you're able to design and create outfits for the doll VS a 3d one that is limited to both the skill and materials. And there's elements to drawn designs that just can't be replicated through real life.
The skill you'd need in sewing more complex outfits would take years to learn. A ton of the doll artists I find online that sew doll clothes are Russian, and I feel that in general Russian girls are still taught needle work. Here in the states I've never met anyone who grew up sewing, much less handsewing, and as someone who's teaching herself how to do it it is very defeating to spend hours on a piece only to have it turn out too large, too small, or just generally wonky. I don't have to worry about that with paper dolls, only about drawing and I can use photos as reference.
Plus, it's just a fun drawing exercise, and you can own more paper dolls than 3d dolls, since they are smaller and easier to store.

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>>2265504
> I've never met anyone who grew up sewing, much less handsewing,
i dont know how much i believe this i think its more of a personal experience of yourself than a general one, i mean most famous artdoll makers are american and thats a skill that requires you to know how to sew well, as for the paper dolls i would recommend using bases nona

No. 2265516

>>2265509
I honestly do believe there are more Russian girls who are taught sewing vs here. I mean home economics isn't really taught in schools anymore, at least not how it was in the past.
Also I can use bases, but it would just be nice to have personally designed ones as well.

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>>2263920
>Drawing fanart of ai to own the aifags
I have no respect for xitter artists

No. 2265525

>>2264740
>is it because she's good
Yes. Be a talented artist and people will defend you. Its not that hard.

No. 2265526

>>2265520
I never understood doing this because wouldn't this make AI better if someone trained it using their fanart? Retards.

No. 2265527

>>2263920
Anons who are saying that they can "totally tell" absolutely wouldn't be able to clock it if they didn't know beforehand, don't try to tell me otherwise because I don't believe it. It's actually so fucking depressing how good AI is getting in such a short amount of time. It's not going to be just gooner bastards that are out of a job, we all will be. It's not that people really desire AI slop, it's that companies don't want to offer them anything else now so they have no choice. We will be made obsolete, not just artists, but everyone.

No. 2265529

>>2264835
>noooo how dare you like an artist that ismt morally approved by me, you can only like artists that i approve off
Lol so then i cant like any classical artist since they were all men fron sexist societies from when the age of consent was like 12? I guess i will burn my classical art books then

No. 2265531

>>2265529
go goon off mgongs baby porn somewhere else wk(infighting)

No. 2265532

>>2265529
that is not at all what Im saying and the difference with your classical art moids is that theyre long dead and their morals are a product of their time.

No. 2265534

>>2265527
People are saying that limiting storage space is going to be the next big thing tech companies are going to start doing due to wasted energy and resources, and just AI images alone eat up quite a lot of space (regular AI users are generating thousands of images regularly). Plus these AI companies are going to start charging hefty monthly subscriptions any day now (remember AI dungeon?), so have a little hope nona.

No. 2265536

>>2265532
>these sexist pedo men were just victims of their time period uwu
Lmao and then you pickmes moralfag over anyone who likes an artist that isnt morally approved by you.

No. 2265539

>>2265536
> that isnt morally approved by you.
if you think you can morally pass over literal toddler porn…something is real wrong with you, being this desperate for a artist who doesnt even know you is quite something to see

No. 2265541

>>2265531
You know the worst part about people like you? That you hold other to insane standards but you never do that yourself. Even some alternatives to mgong you guys recommended were shotafags too KEK.

No. 2265542

>>2265539
Have you ever checked her art account? Most of her art is SFW of her adult characters. Yes, i will defend an artist i like that's good and skilled. Just like how i know most of you will defend the artists you like.

No. 2265545

>>2265529
>>2265539
>>2265541
>>2265542
Stop it, you guys are never going to agree. I don't understand how any anon who follows these thread isn't tired of this exact argument being resurrected every so often. Agree to disagree, anons can't smell who you are through the screen and we're all losers here so why the fuck do you care?

No. 2265547

>>2265541
>Even some alternatives to mgong you guys recommended were shotafags too
atie has not drawn explicit content with shotas, nonetheless toddler proportioned ones at that.
where you draw the line is up to your discretion, I'm just correcting that atie does not create content in a similar caliber that mgong does.

No. 2265548

I hate this stupid fucking discussion and how it always comes up. You can like her stuff, or you can hate it, but please just shut the hell up about her nasty ass.
Also, I find it ironic that some of you argue on hypocrisy as if you aren't hypocritical. Nobody capes this hard for that french chick who draws a loli-tier version of her self insert and ships her with mile wide shouldered old men. This pathetic 1 upping to be the winner in this shitshow argument is getting so fucking old.

No. 2265549

>>2265545
This, I don't know which is the more annoying side, the people sperging about mgong being a pwobwematic evil pedo shota artist or the one frothing at the mouth defending her and calling everyone an oversensitive twitterfag for not liking her obviously fucked up work. This is such a tired old debate by now.

No. 2265551

>>2265545
Because these type of people are obnoxious. You are the worst person ever if you follow an artist they disagree but then make mental gymnastics to defend the shit they do like. Its hilarious that whent they were trying to shill alternatives to mgong(that neither had a similar style nor anything in common with her besides her nationality) they actually shilled a shotafag kek
>>2265547
See? Now you are defending an artist you like despite also drawing problematic things kek but i guess its fine if an artist YOU like draws bad things

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>>2265548
>that french chick who draws a loli-tier version of her self insert and ships her with mile wide shouldered old men
I wouldnt mind being her first WK if youre referring to Iuciferic kek. its very rare you see a black girl portrayed as petite and dainty in media, plus her design is cute.

No. 2265554

>>2265552
I don't mind her design but the men she draws are hideous on average

No. 2265556

>>2265554
Same, I think her OC is very cute but the men are always so ugly kek

No. 2265558

>>2265545
I agree with the sentiment but the anon that wrote such dogshit excuse of
>the difference with your classical art moids is that theyre long dead and their morals are a product of their time.

lost the argument before it even started kek. Nta arguing with them but I've never seen such a retard pedofile excusing behavior applied to art in my life.

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>>2265556
>>2265554
she has a very interesting lore premise, a shame shes held back by the ugly moids that share her universe.

No. 2265561

So are there actually alternatives to Mgong? Because you guys just recommended random chinese artists that have nothing in common with Mgong besides being chinese KEK which i dont know if its just racism or they dont know what looking for an alternative means. I just want more artists that draw in a cell shaded style.

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>>2265552
im sorry but whenever this artist is mentioned i only think of this

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>>2265561
there truly is nothing like it eh, im a bit disappointed she abandoned her cell shading style in favor of painterly high rendering, it made her artwork more unique and stand out. its insane that she made picrel at 17 y/o

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>>2265567
How do you achieve this level at such a young age? It cant be self-taught right?

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>>2265561
heres a few i can recommend if you like the pastel color or cel shade style
@penguinroll
@georgeparkart
@ThisUserIsAngry (her old art)
@chongzhen_085 (i also own her course! pretty good!)

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I have the most retard vent. My favorite aesthetic that I'm practically married to can be summarized as a "beach" style, I love drawing cute girls in bikinis having fun at the beach surfing etc with seashells and fish. The problem is that I like it in the most autistic barbie way, it's not meant to be sexy at all and just meant to be fun for girls the same way a bikini barbie doll is. I want to share it but moids make it impossible because obviously they think a bikini or swimsuit = coom for them. Any time I try to post I quickly get a few male followers and I chicken out and delete everything. Idk if I'm doomed to never be able to share my art or if there's some hidden female only platform somewhere… I miss when I was a little kid and girl game sites and forums existed virtually free of males.

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>>2265568
I genuinely believe some people are born with innate talent to draw. picrel is drawn by a 16 y/o

>>2265574
post it on lolcow! i have such fond memories of girly beach themed media such as flash dress up games and dolls, Merliah was one of my first barbie dolls along with the many barbie memorabilia ive collected that have mostly been mermaid/beach themed. I hope to see your art, it strikes a nostalgic cord in me

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>>2265568
More likely to be self taught than you think, I know a couple self taught artists who were the same age drawing at the same skill (doubtful they were lying because they were talking about school pretty consistently and realistically) and they were regular 'muricans too.

No. 2265589

>>2265520
That person is retweeting all the fanart they're getting of their AIslop creation, it bothers me when zoomer kids draw fanart of AI or "steal" AI designs and they think they're doing such an own!!1 It's only flattery and making the art even more viral. Also they always pale in comparison to the AI pic because only amateurs will bother so it's even more embarrassing for us human artists.

No. 2265590

>>2265561
Hopefully mgong copycats start popping up, rei17 used to be the shilled artist of the week before other artists were able to mimic her style. I remember her sperging about people copying her art style kek, I wonder if mgong would react the same way

No. 2265593

>>2265589
plus its giving fodder for the AI to feed off of so it can fine tune the results to look more human-like. though ngl youre right about the art being amateurish in comparison to the AI so maybe it will backfire and make the AI look more shit if it gets scraped kekkk

No. 2265596

>>2265590
She doesnt draw in the cell shaded style anymore. Her new style is run of the mill chinese artist.

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>>2265596
i miss it so much… her cell shaded art made her stand out from the rest, her new art style is unintelligible and hard to look at now. the anatomy on the woman looks odd

No. 2265610

>>2265601
Her new color palettes are all so samey. I miss her more gritty older work.

No. 2265616

>>2265573
nta but ty for the recommendations! picrel is gorgeous and i love how the folds on her dress were rendered

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>>2265561
I dont think there are any artists that could render the exact way mgong does at the moment. At most the artists could have similar composition styles or themes, but none have her distinct way of bold colors and shading.
as >>2265590 said, it will take a while before copycats are able to master her style and eventually guides will begin popping up on how to mimic it. KawanoCY was another artist that had a unique method of rendering that was eventually copied by other artists, though he did create tutorials on how to draw in his style

No. 2265652

>>2265601
This style looks impressive at first but man do I have all the random splotches of color she throws in. They tend to look muddy too. There's another chinese artist called quruiqing that imo manages to use that ultra colorful technique a lot better.

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>>2265652
dropped pic

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>>2265652
>>2265655
wow this is one of the closest artists that matches her colouring.
I found another artist looking through her account, picrel is @rottencrow_

No. 2265718

>>2265636
I know imitation is the highest form of flattery and all that but I would be so fucking mad if someone was producing just videos on how to copy my style.

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>>2265573
samefag i also wanted to add her too! emm might be the artist mgong rips off the most https://x.com/emmmerald_

No. 2265741

>>2265636
There are ten to hundred thousands of artists on twitter. I never found that shotafag particularly eye-catching/impressive so I haven't paid close attention, but there's bound to be a shit ton of smaller (probably Asian kek) artists with similar or better art just rotting away in their corners. You all just sound like you need to venture out, though I admit it's probably harder now after twitter hid likes.

No. 2265745

>>2265741
>You all just sound like you need to venture out
i agree,,i frequent chinese spaces alot and to be honest mgong isnt a unique artists by the standards of popular chinese artists shes still very lacking in alot of aspectsmorally too alot of mgong wks sound like ultra begs tbh who havent bothered to follow other artists

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>>2265582
I think so too. There must be something in their brains that gives salience to specific details, and that helps people be insanely good at a young age. Naturally you improve if you do it a lot AND have the ability to observe.
Sort of side note, some might be born into artistic families as well, (or have some sort of community, or simply start very young when the brain is still spongy), and are always seeing art. Imagine we drew as much as we spoke, and were around artists most of the time? Children pick up speaking and the use of words pretty quickly, I imagine it'd be similar to that.

No. 2265751

>>2265736
>Fullmetal Alchemist (2003)

Supreme taste.

No. 2265769

>>2265574
I think your art sounds amazing, the kinda stuff that I absolutely love. As the other anon said I hope you'll post it here!

No. 2265776

>>2264779
I can only recall in case where that has happened but it was the ‘artist’ just redrawing what shirt the kid was wearing,as far as I remember.Is it really that common?

No. 2265777

>>2265655
this kind of colors are obtained through drawing grey scale, and then color mapping. It's impressive at first but you don't have full control of the colors, and it's easy for anyone to imitate.

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>>2265601
The cel-painted style was so nice. The only artist I can think of that does something similar is battleguitar on twitter but I get the feeling some anons here would pop a vein looking at the account kek

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>>2265787
man i checked to say otherwise but kek… you got me

No. 2265826

>>2265749
>There must be something in their brains that gives salience to specific details, and that helps people be insanely good at a young age. Naturally you improve if you do it a lot AND have the ability to observe.
I think if the young person is encouraged to draw exact copies of things rather than from imagination that does a lot too. If you start out by seeing art as making copies of things you see you always have the original to look back at and compare to. It's also easier to stop in the middle and pick it back up, you just look at the original again. And you never have to try to come up with cool things to draw, you just copy cool things other people made so you can steadily draw with less brain power needed. That makes practicing easier and therefor also more consistent. So when you finally do want to draw your own things you've got a steady foundation in your muscle memory already.

I think one thing that speaks for this is how when I grew up and started to learn how to draw I was being told that "copying art" by using references was sinful cheating art theft, users were aggressively getting called out left and right on every art platform if you even dared to draw something similar to what others had made. When I finally got older and realized those people are actually bonkers, that copying is ok and references are necessary to learn, my art jumped in skill about 20 times as fast. It's insane how much of a difference it made!

No. 2265881

>>2265777
I'm curious, how can color mapping use so many colors even if the values are the same?

No. 2265984

>>2265801
I just know she seethes at zatovenom

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>>2265777
Don't know about this >>2265655 specific painting, but this artist seems to be painting with colors from the beginning. They also use Paint Tool Sai, does it even has gradient maps?

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What are anon's thoughts about the Eastern European equivalent of nu-anime/not-anime? I think it manages to balance the cartoon and anime elements pretty nicely.

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>>2266163
Though it has the same pitfalls of cartoon inspired media where characters can look a big uggo (same artist)

No. 2266188

>>2266181
Tumblr sexyman phenotype

No. 2266198

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>>2266163
I love it more than anything, especially TAMAKUZ. Her shameless husbandofagging is to be admired. I can’t wait to watch more people seethe about psychocuties.

No. 2266199

>>2266163
>>2266181
I don't know how to explain it, but I hate it. I hate that, while in anime style, the focus relies mostly on the big eyes, in the nu animu style they put too much emphasis on other features, mostly the noses.

No. 2266201

>>2266198
Seethe why? its like hazbin and the tranny clown cartoon they are tailor made to become viral and popular online. I can already see that guy becoming tumblr sexy man of the month and the meek girl protagonist becoming the pfp of many TIMs.

No. 2266216

>>2266163
It feels pretty unique actually. Every line and stroke oozes this appeal you can't really find in animesque western art. Maybe it's due to american's need for individuality that every attempt at anime falls flat, but it feels like slavic artist respect the craft while those of the western sphere feel a need to "improve" anime instead of being inspired to draw something similar and at the same time distinct.
>>2266199
then what do you want then? It seems like you don't like how cartoons empathize noses but you also hate it when anime empathizes the eyes too much.

No. 2266223

>>2266201
NTA but her pilot episode has been out for almost a year now and has well over a million views and none of that has happened and that target demographic hates her because her husbando is "problematic"

>>2266199
I can understand where you're coming from, though personally I think it can look nice. I think it depends on the artist, HolyRaviloi for example doesn't put much emphasis on noses (though you may have other issues with her work, kek)

No. 2266230

>>2266201
The main two characters are in a toxic and abusive relationship. Can you imagine such a wonderful source of milk? A proshipping Russian woman on the internet with a zoomer-attracting art style and a problematic show that isn’t stopping anytime soon. Just imagine the 72 page callout document nona!

No. 2266258

>>2266230
Doesnt she have an incel stalker too?

No. 2266260

>>2266216
>then what do you want then? It seems like you don't like how cartoons empathize noses but you also hate it when anime empathizes the eyes too much.
No, you misunderstood me. I like it when anime empathizes on the eyes. They are pretty.

No. 2266278

>>2266260
>empathizes
Don't go along with her omg

No. 2266307

>>2266258
Yeah it was talked about earlier somewhere, some creepy moid keeps trying to get her to notice him.

No. 2266385

>>2265718
it’s what rei_17 deserves for all her pro-AI sperging

No. 2266414

>>2266385
>pro-AI sperging

wait she did fucking what?

No. 2266493

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>>2266414
From her weibo account
>Seeing AI replacing some of the lower-end painting methods, I feel so satisfied and super excited. There is a feeling that finally some people will have a sense of crisis and take the responsibility for their lack of progress. If you don't have your own unique things or keep up without changes, you will definitely be replaced. Definitely.
>Very practical.
>If you are truly in a poverty family and have no time to improve your skills, and this situation is unlikely to change in the long term, I really don't understand why you would choose to enter the art industry, which relies heavily on personal talent more than any other assembly line industry…There is a space for people like you in this industry is because of a shortage of low-level labour. However, these low-level workers are always the easiest to be replaced and are the most unstable group, even without any involvement from AI. I really don't know if it's due to be trapped in an filter bubble or some other reason that so many people have been deceived into thinking they should start with meaningless repetitive work at the bottom.
>And even if it's just a beginner, it still requires some time and energy investment. Is someone kidnapping you and forcing you to start learning how to draw from scratch at your desk? If you can afford this initial cost, it probably means that your family is not really struggling financially. But if you are really in this swamp because of poverty, then I strongly suggest that you quit as soon as possible. Without several years or even decades of accumulation, you will always be in the elimination circle. This is not a stable job, there are many other jobs that are more stable than this…

After she posted this some AI bro trained an AI on her style kek. Since it was all in Chinese I don't know how many people know about this in the western art sphere. She had some correct points about the art industry aside from AI though

No. 2266538

>>2265274
>What country are you from nona? If you're comfortable sharing, I'll go have a look at what opportunities you could take.
Mexico. I also saw you recommended Avelina Lesper, god I love her so so much! I don't think she would like my art though. Anyway, I live in a small place far away from the capital. I don't feel comfortable sharing any more info but yeah, thanks nonny. I'm honestly just thinking of getting an easy entry factory job because I don't know if I can do it. I've even wondered if I should just quit altogether. I barely have a worthy portfolio to show, anyway.

No. 2266552

could it be possible that digital art isn't for everyone? i just feel like my traditional art turns out better all the time, i can't do digital sketches because i end up hating how they look. i figured out how to render in digital and it still doesn't look good enough for me, or should i practice more? i feel stuck on this, i've been drawing traditional for 10 years already and began trying digital 2 years ago.

No. 2266554

>>2266552
I have a similar issue, I can paint perfectly fine on canvas, but I just cannot replicate the process on digital. It doesnt feel right and no matter how many textured brushes and tools I use it doesnt have the same feel and blend as real paint. Practicing digital is a steep learning curb since youre essentially relearning how to draw again on a different medium (like trying to draw with pastels when youve only ever used paint) so maybe its a skill acquired with time

No. 2266790

>>2266278
We are two dumb esl retards

No. 2266853

>>2265985
Damn, I would not be able to handle this many details. And no, Sai doesn't have gradient maps so she's not using that.

No. 2266913

>>2266493
Smug fucks like this are irredeemable. Yeah, you really believe your head will never be on the chopping block but it's just the other, low-level, lazy artists getting justifiably punished by being replaced with AI. As if there aren't models available based on your art diluting your entire portfolio. I swear rei_17 has one of the biggest, most out of control egos I've ever seen in an online artist and if most of her drama wouldn't be hidden behind the language barrier people wouldn't be so obsessed with worshiping her. She talks shit about every other artist in the industry and thinks she's leagues above them, I have no idea how she managed to sell herself as this god level artist everyone wants to rip off but it's clear she herself believes it too. She's super talented for sure but her attitude has always been so rotten I can't enjoy her work.

No. 2266925

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Unpopular opinion, but so many of these Chinese anime artists shilled on here have really lackluster coloring to me. The softness they try to achieve looks grating against the hard edges the forms have. Having that sort of soft coloring style with strict blocked out forms is something that only looks good in actual watercolor. It makes many of the images muddy and hard to decipher. Plus, many of the paintings don't have appealing pallettes.

No. 2266932

>>2265777
KEK gradient maps are hideous they would never give you such nice colors. Gradient maps ar also super noticiable i have never seen an artist that used them that didnt end up with grotesque Null tier eye bleeding abominations.
>>2265985
No, sai doesnt have gradient maps.

No. 2266934

>>2266925
I hate how the fish are so realistic and the animu grill looks like a stickwoman

No. 2266936

>>2266934
I know this kind of thing is indicative of a larger problem, but I like it here tbh, she looks like a doll who's vibing underwater with the fish or something.

No. 2266949

>>2265985
>>2265777
>This is drawing grey scale and colour mapping
Is that's actually what's happening there? Imo it looks like they've plotted out a sketch on one layer, the colour layout on another one or separate layers, and then they're just refining and colourpicking and painting as they go, probably leaving any later effects until the end
I used to do that on paint tool sai anyway so that's why I think so. Procreate and the ipad isn't as intuitive so I can't do it on there.

No. 2267022

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So many artists i follow are nuking their online presence thanks to AI. I can't even upload their art to danbooru because i don't want it to get scrapped from there. I hate it.

No. 2267032

>>2267022
Just hoard it for yourself. Why share

No. 2267150

>>2266493
Speaking so smugly as an anime artist who has no name for herself outside the internet kek you have to laugh at her dunning–kruger. AI came for anime artists first for a reason.

No. 2267161

>>2267150
AI can do better photorealistic stuff than anime to be honest.

No. 2267700

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This artist very clearly using 3d models is making me chuckle. I don’t know if they’re a cow or anything though.

No. 2267736

>>2267700
I really hate this artist's work. Retarded ass characters with edgy love story and she always draws them with the same exact face. Egirl tier blush, big round sanpaku eyes and vaguely angry/annoyed expression. They look so dumb. The pink haired one on the back is her darling with 100 twaumas.

No. 2267746

>>2267736
I tend to not be a hater generally but her art really does make me eyeroll. It's that very obvious fujoism of wanting to date the hot bad boy yourself (slav edition), but that's boring when it's straight, clearly, so they just make the clear girl character a waifish twink that reads like no irl gay man ever concieved and self insert onto him. Her older art is great though

No. 2267809

>>2267746
You described it perfectly. To me it also reeks of NLOGism.

No. 2267810

>>2265574
this is so sweet, i really love it nona. please stay strong!!

No. 2267816

>>2267700
This is like an Ulrikbadass copycat kek or is the same person?

No. 2267848

>>2266163
looks french

No. 2267869

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>>2267736
These expressions are insane kek

No. 2267879

>>2267869
This is like female samdoesart but instead of every woman being a ai Disney coomslop creature, every man is a rotoscoped smiling friends tier monster.

No. 2267904

>>2267869
They all have colds

No. 2267928

>>2267746
which character is the tif, the one with pink hair?

No. 2267929

>>2267869
Oh no the middle one is hot. I dont understand why she drew the other guy bald, who tf is into bald guys.

No. 2267935

>>2267929
Tifs with fetishes for the guy from Bully

No. 2267940

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No. 2267943

>>2267928
none of them are tifs, where'd you even get that from

No. 2267945

>>2267940
huge neck. he is probably a really strong wrestler or something

No. 2267952

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>>2267700
>This artist very clearly using 3d models is making me chuckle.
she's not though. you just hate to see a fujo winning

No. 2267964

>>2267943
> so they just make the clear girl character a waifish twink that reads like no irl gay man ever concieved
anon said that

No. 2267966

>>2267869
Flynn Rider, Mr Beast, and a slav walk into a bar

No. 2267967

>>2267964
anon said nothing about tifs, please keep your autism contained in the appropriate threads

No. 2267969

>>2267967
but she literally said she made the girl character a twink how am i supposed to interpret that but the oc being a tif?

No. 2267975

>>2267964
I did not say that.
That was in reference to him clearly being nothing but a self insert of a woman and her fantasies into her ideal edgy romance with the local skinhead, personified through a pink haired twink whose ass would get hatecrimed in her country for walking outside. It's the most clear case of author projection I've seen in ages, he's written to be essentially a girl in everything but name and appearance. Eastern euro anons will get what I mean especially. I've met tones of girls who fit the profile of her oc, who lust for the same type of guy, run in the same circle as him, go through the same problems he does. Not one fag I know however, is like this.

No. 2267979

>>2267975
You sound unhinged, it's really not that deep jesus christ. You sound like those weirdos that wants yaoi to be more realistic and have poop and anal tearing. I cannot imagine lacking so much imagination.

No. 2267981

>>2267952
She's generally very skilled and knows her shit, but you can't deny this >>2267700 is not painted over a CSP 3d model. Come on now.

No. 2267983

>>2267952
I really like this, reminds me of Yuri from YOI

No. 2267986

>>2267979
I don't give a fuck about yaoi. I'm just saying it's eyerollingly obvious this is the self insert of an NLOG. It's not a sin to do it, but it's cliche and cringy.

No. 2267992

>>2267986
You are making too many assumptions. Yaoi characters have always been unrealistically handsome because no woman wants to draw and lust after 3DPD let alone 3DPD fags

No. 2267997

>>2267952
Those don't look 3D. She seems to have good skill. But the recent drawing definitely looks modeled.

No. 2267998

>>2267992
I'm not gonna infight here because I don't care enough, I've just had this artist pop up on my twitter timeline several times despite me not following them and make me sigh. I'll just end it on saying it goes deeper than the appearance of the character and that you anons can enjoy your boy x girlboy fagslop, but that doesn't make it any less of what it actually is. Also since she pumps these out so fast the characters often look like they have FAS which is a shame because she's genuinely good at art.

No. 2267999

>>2267975
Seek help for your brainworms

No. 2268003

>>2267998
Yes anon any drawn guy that isnt giga roided bearded and has wrinkles is actually a girl, pretty men arent allowed to exist even in the fantasies of straight women. Every man must be drawn ugly because its realistic and women cant have shit.

No. 2268006

>>2268003
You're retarded and can't read.

No. 2268008

>>2268006
No, you need to stop letting trannies live rent free in your mind.

No. 2268012

>>2267869
i guess this artist is my guilty pleasure

No. 2268018

>>2268012
you dont need to feel guilty, the art is good enough

No. 2268093

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discussion of mgong made me look at her art for the first time in years, and damn im sad that she fell into this coloring style that i swear every chinese artist uses now. her old coloring style was really appealing to me.

No. 2268232

>>2267940
The face is so derpy but I feel like the expression is captured well. A dumbfounded moid expression

No. 2268258

>>2265445
>>2265462
>>2265459
>>2265473
Anons, do you really believe the lolifag bullshit that they're not attracted to real kids? the reason they're so "good" at drawing loli is because they reference real life children and often also real life CP. Looking at that screenshot of mossa's baraag account couldn't make it more obvious that he actually consumes real CSAM. there's no way someone could draw kid rape/sexualized content without being a pedophile. you don't even need them to admit it to know.

>>2268008
nta but she never said anything about troons, cope and seethe all you want but it's true that there are fujos who self-insert as anime boys, with and without the troonism, and they've existed since the early days of yaoi. you may not be one of them but don't act like they don't exist at all and then get mad when someone correctly calls someone's male character a self-insert. nobody was shitting on you specifically, you're the schizo one that turned it into an attack against fujos and cute anime guys, retard (imagine accusing the other anon of forcing women to like ugly, balding, hairy "roidpigs" when the artist in question has a shaved bald moid fetish kek, way to miss the point of her posts)

No. 2268415

>>2268018
It's not, she's technically skilled but she makes such ugly choices. It's just an ugly faux anime slave style with ugly moids. It's weird the other anon kept going about pretty men in art but these fuckers all look ugly.

No. 2268537

>>2267940
I've been kekking at this so much. Top tier reaction image. This face captures so much without a single word. Absolutely gold

No. 2268547

>>2268415
Finally someone sane. I thought everyone had gone blind.

No. 2268548

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No. 2268674

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>>2254197
Got reminded of you, nona until the 25th CSP 4.0 is on sale for $21 if you want it
https://www.clipstudio.net/en/purchase/?Started

No. 2268690

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>>2268674
Thank you!

No. 2268857

>>2266538
>>2265274
I'll be waiting for your response next thread nonna

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