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General Conspiracy Thread.
Do you have somewhat schizophrenic beliefs that worry your friends and family? Tired of getting red-texted for "tinfoiling" about recent events around the globe? If so, you've come to the right place.
Discussions surrounding government cover-ups, entertainment industry secrets, odd predictions, political intrigues, etc., are all welcome here.
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>>2416928Thank you. This is one of my favourite threads so I always try to make a cute PicMix for it.
The Elsie Pepe Silvia image comes from the Elsie Media thread on /m/, you can find it here
>>>/m/337155 there's so much great art in that thread! LC has the best artists.
I'm excited to read all the tinfoils ♥
No. 2417109
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>>2417065Anime is definitely a psy-op. After Hiroshima Japan leaned into the "cute"/infantile image bc countries are led by moids and Japan basically trooned itself bc it felt like a fail-male
>The childlike cheerfulness of these sections of the news felt inappropriate to me and I wondered why the Japanese news casters felt it necessary to flood the network with such appearances. I jumped into yet another rabbit hole of research, and learned of the origin of kawaii culture (cute culture) in Japan, and how as a means of coping with the traumas of World War II and the atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, Japan responded with a wave of childish and cute themed art, products, and mascots.
>Kawaii culture still exists today, and is essentially a manifestation of Japan’s feeling of being an underdog, or a nation stripped of a sense of power, according to a report written by behavioural scientist Hiroshi Nittono from Hiroshima University. After learning about this aspect of Japanese culture, I am beginning to notice how themes of repression and indirect forms of coping with trauma appear in Obasan and I think it has given me a unique lens to analyze the novel through. https://blogs.ubc.ca/sabrinadang/2016/11/17/cute-culture-in-japan-and-coping-with-trauma/ No. 2417158
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>>2417133and these anons were glad
No. 2417970
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>muh age of aquarius is going to be SOOOO good with society being equitable >muh pluto in aquarius In reality it’s just going to be this kek
https://thebeautifultruth.org/the-basics/what-is-technofeudalism/Lol those astrology tards don’t know what “equitable” or “egalitarian” they are talking about, honestly. Think of that Wall-E movie where society “advanced” so much most people could sit on their ass and waste away, because all of the work worth a shit (stuff that got food in people’s grocery stores and tables, keep their electricity up, plumbing and not all of that bullshit fluff that defined the middle-class) was downscaled. I used to think that movie was full of shit but honestly.. you’re going to have even more useless people. I think people now are already useless and that’s why they don’t give a fuck. Why would they pretend to care about you when their plans are going according to their own agenda? Stop screaming about healthcare and “lack of pay”, you want that shit for jobs that never mattered and shouldn’t have existed lol. You’ve been rightfully thrown away, it was intentional and most people don’t care because they are still begging and waiting for the same shit that only worked in a certain era, wanting the old ways to always work is just retarded.
No. 2417989
>>2417970Hi dad! Wow, you've integrated really well
Jk but I sometimes wish I could show lolcow to my dad, he has a raging hateboner for Musk and would love his /snow/ thread. He's totally convinced of our techno feudalist future
No. 2418185
>>2418134In theory, communism really is the key to humanity getting as close to a "utopia" as possible. The downside is that society has ran off greed and corruption for so long I really don't think communism would ever be executed in a fair and proper way. I think humans are way too tribal and greedy and want to pull the ladder up after them (if that's the right figure of speech).
I don't even think being a billionaire should be a thing. Once you reach that billionaire status you should be made to contribute a large amount of it back into public services to better the country you live in. This is more important now than ever because the average person's view of a "decent life" like you said has dropped in quality and material power compared to how it was pre-2007. We're working twice as hard with half of the rewards and hard work doesn't pay anymore in most industries.
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what is going on
No. 2419088
>>2418132It literally just explained that in that article and technology is going to accelerate that, you’re just allergic to new ideas and reading apparently.
>>2418134Communism would never work. Humans are too crippled, weak, stupid, tribalistic and selfish to have it work. Imagine constantly needing some despotic moid to whip you back into the shape because you can’t act right to maintain the stuff that actually makes civilizations liveable and fair? Yeah, no. Also men don’t want an equal planet, their biological makeup is the antithesis of egalitarianism. Trying to force that is going to lead you into way more trouble.
No. 2419649
>>2419559
Here's my guess:
>be average Japanese boy or man
>want to watch a fun anime after school or work
>turn on TV, find some show you may or may not like of whatever genre
>watch the episode for 25 minutes
>rinse and repeat once a week until the season is over
>if it's a fun anime maybe read the manga or novels at a cheap manga cafe or buy the series for dirt cheap in a second hand bookstore
>maybe look for other similar stories if it was really fun to read or watch or post a tweet once every 6 months "I liked the recent anime about [whatever] it was very fun!" or something like that
Compare this to:
>be average Western guy
>watch some random anime episodes on TV long ago after work or school
>it's very different from live action shows and fun in its own way so you look up other what other fun anime there is online
>turns out there's a shit ton of fun manga and anime about a lot of differenr genres, topics and for different demographics but not all of them are or were readily available where you are, you've been filtered all along
That's where the split happens:
>normal, well adjusted Western anime fan will simply watch whatever seems fun on TV or streaming platforms and will call it a day, will maybe become nostalgic for whatever shonenslop he grew up with in middle school, is unlikely to troon out and is likely to have other hobbies and interests
>dedicated, well adjusted anime fan will actively follow new releases, will maybe buy some Naruto tshirts from Uniqlo and will go to anime cons if he can afford it, is unlikely to troon out and likely to have many other hobbies and interests
>autistic dedicated Western anime fan is more likely to troon out and base his trannysona on some garbage genderbent harem anime slop character, believing that women act just like anime waifu because nothing else matter and will advertise it all over the internet all the time
Basically it's a matter of proportions and how Western fans have to more actively become fans in the first place so normal guys who could have liked some anime series if they knew about them are less likely to drown out the more vocal troons.
No. 2419681
>>2419672Not really, the main audience for anime is still Japan and the anime that Western troons like are originally targeting a male Japandse otaku audience. And these same Japanese men have very similar interests and fetishes as Western troons but still don't transition as often. Or the ones that do keep it to themselves a lot more often while people in the West in general are a lot more likely to publicly posts about their personal lives and their selfies.
>normie anime series are catered towards a japanese audienceNormie Westerners can also be into these same anime now that it's easier than ever to find series you can like online as opposed to relying on what's on tv but it's true that they're not enough and not vocal enough compared to Western hardcore otaku.
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The child explotation in elite groups stuff has faded in and out of popularity for years now and I'm aware it's a low hanging fruit of a conspiracy but I'm curious of what you nonnas think of recent news that's come out about things, especially with the Diddy case and how far that really goes, and also mentions of demonic and satanic stuff - do you think that's a reach or do you think it's believable?
Justin Bieber is looking like shit lately and it's heavily implied that he was groomed or underwent some form of abuse from older men in the industry when he was younger. All the news articles I've read about him have blamed his dishevelled appearance on some sort of financial issues but if you ask me they're placing bricks in place to use that as a scapegoat if he ends up "killing himself" or overdosing.
I personally think that Diddy, much like with Epstein, is just being placed on the guillotine now for people to focus on him and not the others who are pulling the strings. It's very rare that stuff like this is just isolated incidents especially with how insidious Hollywood is.
No. 2420181
>>2420172You can check out this thread
>>>/ot/1166213 to see discussions regarding child abuse in Hollywood and the entertainment industry.
Personally, I don't think JB looks disheveled at all, at least not in that picture. He looks like a normal 30 year old. He's quite a well-known stoner too.
No. 2420220
>>2420172Of course, Diddy was only the one that got caught, maybe because he was so cocky, weird and particular about it. With him it was obvious because of the shady parties he used to host and the videos with him and young artists, or even the fact that he and his friends had custody of minors. But I do believe it's a thing that many elite people practice. After all we already got our confirmations with both Epstein and Diddy, it's not as unbelievable now.
But I also believe it's not that simple. For example, I think JB was groomed and then became an active and willing participant in adulthood. He most likely became the abuser at some point, and many like him which is why no one snitched for a long time (aside from the fact that some were threatened/killed).
I don't fully believe in the satanic stuff. I think it's an aesthetic rich pretentious edgy fuckers love to use at their sick orgy parties with children, but nothing supernatural actually goes on or that they're an organized cult.
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>>2420644
Nah it's pretty easy, they use one of these with a latex/silicone vagina and even legs. It started in Brazil and then Hollywood basements found out about it
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>>2420667>brave nona who ignored the ridiculous picrel and saw the logic in thisHere is your reward
>According to some pornographic actors, including Aurora Snow, James Deen and Keiran Lee, fluffers are no longer needed, saying that the role might have existed in the past, but disappeared due to medical advancements, such as Viagra and implants, and with advancements in prosthetics.Picrel is an example of how lifelike they can make these things and will probably be removed but oh well
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>>2420681
There was a few documentaries in the 90s where they show off the prosthetic thing. They'll have standard sex with a few moids and then go into the black box for the gang bang part. Everyone has seen those breast chest plate things, it's kind of like that with a sex doll attached. The idea that someone wouldn't use prosthetics to simulate a gangbang is much crazier than hundreds of women deciding to do this on camera. Or starring in violent gang bang porn and then "sharing your trauma" otherwise known as promoting the footage to moids who get off on legitimate trauma/pain who might not have seen it yet or will rewatch now that they know how much she has allegedly suffered. I feel like a-logging when I see women complain about the popularity of these clips, after they go on podcasts every scrote listens to, like "Call her Daddy" to "trauma dump" about them
No. 2420854
>>2420766Wow that’s interesting. I mean I already called these women whores which they are but a lot of people have this weird misconception that porn is real, even the anti-porn crowd. It’s entirely fake and scripted like movies and like you said, the prosthetics like how they use for FX makeup to create illusions. I mean prom really is just entertainment mimicking the real actual thing, which gets anti-porn moralfags in a tizzy because they know it’s just projected degeneracy that happens behind closed doors, they’re only angry about pork because it showcases things that happen in the dark to the light that they have likely participated in. I still think it’s degenerate and disgusting but my honest tinfoil now that you shared that information that porn is just a fake smokescreen, all of those “sex trafficked” women must be going somewhere else
maybe organ harvesting farms, underground surrogacy farms, drug smugglers, sweatshops?. There also seems to be a confusion on personal revenge porn and sex trafficking too, which is awful and should be legally punished but hm, this got me thinking ngl
No. 2420900
>>2420864Honestly I don’t know, I think a lot of it is fake.
>>2420866Disagree
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>>2420864>I really doubt the majority of all porn produced is 'fake' in the sense that it uses prostheticsIt wasn't for a while, there was legitimate "rape on tape" that was all removed and replaced with fake content. Not to be gross but you can tell cum (female/male) is fake most of the time. A lot of it is tricky camera work, editing/filters and prosthetics with hosing/wiring. Scrotes complain about the sanitization of porn but these companies don't want to get sued by all of the (underage) women who were featured in the videos. It's a way to keep control over the content and not have to deal with the fallout from lawsuits/etc
https://www.barstoolsports.com/blog/3172678/pornhub-deletes-9-million-amateur-videos-will-now-only-allow-content-from-official-content-partners-and-members-of-their-model-program No. 2421638
>>2421050>>2421206yeah, the idea that most cheap studio barely making even take time to "fake" with wiring prosthetics and fake cum instead of just making them bang (like the standard since always) is really silly. Maybe one of the bigger studios would actually care to fake the sex part (or for real movies it's known they do that) but to go trough all that trouble instead of paying junkies to have sex is pretty nutty.
At most the bigger studios use fake cum
specifically for gangbangs cuz moid brain but it's not standard at all.
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Celebrities are homonculi. They are artificial humans which is why so many of them look like crossbreeds, hybrids, non-human in some aspects. Because they aren’t human they constantly need “maintenance” to be alive, Harvey Pasternak didn’t just put Kanye in the nutter house for no reason, they go to these nutter houses and certain hospitals (Mount Sinai hospital is oddly popular with celebrities and the wealthy) to give them their maintenance. I would assume that’s what those “performance drugs” he was giving to other celebrities besides Kanye was, but I truly believe they aren’t humans and this isn’t a compliment. It’s why they always felt so incomplete to me, think of Pinnochio and Geppetto where Pinnochio only has childlike fixations and nothing else, there are non complex feelings or emotions. Some become a bit rebellious and want to overcome the grip of their masters and creators, which is why so many of them die early.
No. 2421861
>>2421851>That the sperm of a man be putrefied by itself in a sealed cucurbit for forty days with the highest degree of putrefaction in a horse's womb ["venter equinus", meaning "warm, fermenting horse dung"[2]], or at least so long that it comes to life and moves itself, and stirs, which is easily observed. After this time, it will look somewhat like a man, but transparent, without a body. If, after this, it be fed wisely with the Arcanum of human blood, and be nourished for up to forty weeks, and be kept in the even heat of the horse's womb, a living human child grows therefrom, with all its members like another child, which is born of a woman, but much smaller.[3]: 328–329 Kekk anon, it's allegorical. They don't make a little shit man. On the right track tho
No. 2423888
>>2421701I don't know a single person in real life who doesn't use the Internet aside from my grandfather. It's hard for me to imagine that nobody is genuinely Internet famous.
I honestly think part of it has to do with the average age of an Internet user decreasing every year, so many "bot" comments are little kids posting from their mama's phone. Not saying the Internet isn't rife with bots but a surprising amount of human posts could be mistaken for bots. A lot of people are straight up re tarded.
No. 2423948
>>2423888No, dead internet theory is real. Fuck off with your retarded rehearsed responses
>”oh haha no dearie that doesn’t exist, look the other way!”>using the word “mama”You’re so obvious.
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>>2421902It's allegorical but references actual chemical compounds and real matter. It's not like a recipe book and specifically created this way so that that cave-dwellers can't figure it out, since knowledge is power
No. 2424181
>>2423958You’re autistic. Look up elixir of life and philosopher’s stone, the occultist interpretations of pinnochio, etc. I’m done talking to plebians kek
>>2424030Of course
>>2424160I hope you schizos aren’t samefagging or trolling about being genuine tinfoilers but yeah, it’s why real opinions get immediately deleted and/or redtexted while others that feel like they were ran by some pro-Democrat script is being prioritized. It’s honestly spooky
>>2424167>tabletop memeAutist or scrote
No. 2424622
>>2424594It's been posted about in these threads for years. I would agree that it's now no longer tinfoil.
>That isn't to say it isn't going to bite these so-called puppet master in the assIt already is. The western elites weakened their own populations making them more susceptible to propaganda so that no one would revolt, only this has also made people in the west equally prone to falling for propaganda from Russia and China. What is even real at this point?
No. 2425805
>>2423958youre the only anon on this fucking site who understands alchemy
>>2424181youre a gay moron and brobably think that 'early jordan peterson was actually smart' also
No. 2425841
Imagine seething because someone is more “spiritually-inclined” than another person and actually understands that yes, alchemical practices do include elements related to life and what the fuck do you think that includes retard???? CLONING, creation, biological engineering, transhumanism, if you can’t even properly engage in this thread without trying to call people “schizos” and “insane” for using the correct thread in the first place then get the fuck out already, you can’t even connect the fucking dots that there are people high and above you who know way more than you who are obviously into that stuff and have shown it repeatedly time and time again, but I guess this is for soulless people who want to prove how “smurt” they are for repeating the same inane and surface-level garbage, proving that autists are hollows. If you’re autistic stay out of soulful conversations and stop getting upset people believing in higher powers and the occult, your mind lacks imagination and variety. Anyways, America is probably still owned by the British.
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Yeah bro there’s nothing to see here, not like there’s thousand of years of alchemical knowledge that is connected to spirituality, lol disregard! Like fuck off already, tired of fucking faggots always telling me I don’t know shit about anything, I clearly do because I’m not a fucking atheistic midwit.
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Thoughts on flat earth/ ice walls?
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>>2426614I like the ones where they loop around to it being a ball again
No. 2426977
>>2426614This one makes more sense to me. It dispels a lot of myths about the creation of the world to me. It’s very obvious that the biblical God did not create everyone and definitely did not create this planet, and there were likely species and life here before he “made chaos out of order”. There’s a female goddess named Tiamat who used to represent this chaos (the original state of the world) and many more beings, but people don’t mention or make these connections because ofc people are more comfortable with having a big daddy in the sky (or saturn’s lullabies) to pray to and worship despite the origins of humanity have a huge dark past. Besides that I don’t know, but I get the idea on the world dictating how you view reality even if most of the constructed reality is false so I understand flat earthers and their
valid paranoia
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>>2426983Fill me in
nonny what are you talking about? Also I meant to put this picture as an example of what I agreed with for my post
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>>2426991hehe sorry for being facetious. im referencing some gnostic/classical prechristian ideas.
>the Two from the Onethis is in reference to pythagorean monadism, which is a source of gnostic ideas. pythagoras believed in an 0rder of numbers that reflects the 0rder of the universe; as two evolves from one, duality emerges from totality. the Dyad emerges from the Monad and with it introduces primeval suffering (otherness, division, the pain of separation).
the Monad is perfect totality and unity. it is the self-contained Point of matter. it is Something but it is All Somethings, and Anything must therefore be included in it, and be it, and outside it is Nothing (apeiron; the underfined, the boundless).
the Dyad is the original injury, like the Amfortas wound (in more ways than the obvious). the Dyad is the first instance of Two, separated, with a boundless infinite gulf between them. you can think of the Monad as a circle, and the Dyad as two circles who overlap like a ven diagram, with the overlap erased (not a coincidence that this is a vulval shape). But more than injury and introduction of chaos into the heart of matter, the Dyad is equally a Door to infinity, and the portal (portal in the sense of "door") that creates the Many from the One (the Monad). Thus this "wound" is also an essential point of connection between the Many and the One.
This idea of a cosmic order reflected perfectly in the evolution of numbers
a favourite of mine is also reflected in the story of Tiamat. Tiamat, the goddess of the waters of Chaos, was slain by the storm god (I forget his name), and her body dismembered into many pieces which are scattered and become the cosmos (Many (material) evolving from One (divine)).
>the mother of monstersTiamat is also very relevant to this. Tiamat intermingled her waters (the primordial ocean, chaos, salt water) with the waters of Apsu, the source-god of all fresh water (ie, that water which facilitates life). God antics ensue but skipping forward, Tiamat gives birth to legions of monsters who kill Apsu and scatter over the world. Because she is the embodiment of chaos, Tiamat can only bring forth multitudinous evil.
I won't get into the twin thing but I would like to address the seed of misogyny you may have noticed in this explanation. The mother of monsters thing is a colourful illustration of the themes already present in the more clinical pythagorean mythology. There's a psychoanalyst that I really like who is not widely known (at least in my country) who had a central theory that all birth is essentially traumatic to the child because it is an extremely sudden introduction to a life as a discrete individual surrounded by Other discrete individuals. Using the pythagorean stuff as a scaffold; a fetus is not discrete, it is a part of its mother, the all-encompassing One (as a beautiful etymological aside, I'd like to note that the root for "paradise" is the PIE for "enclosure, enclosed space"). As far as it is aware there is Nothing outside of the One which it exists not just as a part of, but as. Birth is the wound that creates the first Dyad, severing baby from mother. This is the Amfortas wound we all as human beings share. I believe that moids develop serious resentment towards women for this wound because 1. they lack empathy and are unable to reconcile feelings of maternal ambivalence (women get a head start on this because we have to consider the possibilities of being mothers ourselves, also we are generally more intelligent and can empathise) and 2. they understand on some unconscious level the vagina as a reflection of the Door from the One to the Many and thus the only real point of connection between the spiritual and the material and are seethingly jealous because this reminds them that they are essentially filthy hylics who have been divided permanently from paradise.
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>>2427044but then again it is a good display of how, even living in the illusion world of discrete material severed from Others, we can be happy because we all originate from the One, and thus we are always connected to each other!
No. 2427084
>>2427038The monad imo is the primordial chaos, what existed before. I want to know though
nonny how does Yahweh and the other gods fit into this? I’m curious and have been trying to figure this out for awhile now, because it makes zero sense on how some invisible scrote can be the only creator of this universe and how one god can “fulfill” everything and “be everything” despite their being other gods who fulfill everything you know??
No. 2427115
>>2427100There are different theories as to why. But a major one is because they wanted to push gun regulations.
Mind Shock/Bruce Maguire have really good podcast where he goes through witness accounts that claim there were more shooters, case documents, theories ect. Also the website research columbine is really good and informative, it has almost everything.
Mind Shock Columbine podcast:
https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLVsHlWhRW4zz16rTETZ7ySVNpAXKR4PKh&si=38suQHfrDVfLWGtlResearch Columbine:
https://www.researchcolumbine.com/tie-dye-shirt.html No. 2427372
>>2427159NTA. I don't think Columbine was fabricated, but I absolutely believe that the government does radicalize men into committing school shootings in order to pass gun laws to dearm the population. Even if the government isn't directly talking to these men and worsening their mental health in order to create these shootings, the media definitely heroizes and obsesses over school shooters in order to create more. It's a social contagion in the same way that suicide and trannyism is. So you have to ask yourself why the media would push them so much and cause this social contagion. And if you want a direct contrast of them doing the opposite, look at Luigi. World's biggest thing until they caught him, then suddenly every media dropped it. Meanwhile, they're still talking about the shootings that happened years ago, and bringing up the shooter and the full details anytime anything in the case changes or it's an anniversary.
>>2427236I wish this is true, but it's probably not. We can actually measure how many people are in China by how much carbon dioxide they give off. That's how we knew that more people were dying from covid then they were letting on in the first month, because the carbon dioxide of the infected city suddenly plummeted in a way that couldn't be explained unless ten times the number of people had died.
No. 2427453
>>2427159>no this isn’t trueWhy do you anti-conspiracy people keep coming into this thread if you don’t believe in anything beyond the fucking status quo? Leave people the fuck alone in this thread if you can’t handle this level of conversation, stay in your retarded ignorance
>>2427115I believe you, I definitely do anon. Don’t let the other idiots say they don’t plan these events, they seriously underestimate how this world truly functions. They won’t even click the links, won’t even further engage, that’s how you figure out if someone is an NPC or not ready to reinforce the status quo back into your life when you begin to step out of line on how the world wants you to think about reality. Thank you for the interesting video you linked I will definitely watch it and go over the links. Wasn’t one of their parents involved with the feds before the event or was that false? Maybe I’m thinking of another mass tragedy. I already thought this but that whole Trump assassination kid really sealed the deal for me, especially since he was in a Blackrock commercial. Another one that was also creepy was that Ulvade shooting where the police, piggies who are always ready to unload lead at a toddler on the street who decides to flinch in their presence, decided to stay out from doing their jobs. Quite odd.
No. 2428060
>>2427453Jfc I believe the Columbine anon too and I've been researching the subject for a while but you're so annoying. You keep sperging out whenever anons have a different opinion than you ever since you joined the threads, you're so easy to identify because you keep repeating the exact same shit.
God I miss the original threads from years ago before we had retards come here to infight about sunscreen, veganism and try to dictate what topics are allowed here
>muh politisperging >muh we can only talk about spiritual tinfoils No. 2428267
>>2428060No you’re clearly just retarded and subtly trying to tell people they’re wrong for having a conspiracy theory in the conspiracy theory thread. You can fuck off
>>2427491Nobody is here to prove if it’s definitively true or the definitive truth, conspiracy theories are boring if you just think in such a mechanical, detached way. That’s why this thread is so fucking boring, it’s just another dumping frown for politispergs and TRUST DA SCIENCE!!!! spergs coming in here to reinforce to status quo and stop your brain from thinking outside of the box. If you can’t think outside of the box in the outside of the box, wacky thread then why the fuck are you in this thread and what do you truly have to offer that we can’t find on Reddit where they keep the conversations painfully surface-level? Like seriously?
No. 2428395
>>2428138Yes what
>>2428287 said, but look up ancient astronaut theory and the Annunaki as well
>>2428315Oh that’s interesting. I wonder why she did this Ted Talk though kek
No. 2428580
>>2427038I love you gnosticism
nonnie, I hope you post here forever.
No. 2429399
>>2429321They are pushing non-aluminum deodorants because THEY DON'T WORK and the manufacturers KNOW THAT. So people use these shitty deodorants that don't work well on their own and require the user buy more products to compensate for their shitty deodorants. And of course this is amplified by people not washing their hair because its supposed to be better for their hair forgetting that hair holds onto odors. Natural hair sebum has an odor and even when claimed that it doesn't the environments we live in will produce odor that clings onto the hair (smoke, smog, pollution, cooking smells).
IT'S ALL CONNECTED.
No. 2429726
>>2428487I love Lacan, but I'm actually referring to didier Anzieu, specifically his theory of the skin-envelope. He was not big on lacan funnily enough, really pushed for a return to Freud (and to the organic/body) in psychoanalysis, which I really respect and kind of wish had more staying power. I think one of the funny things about Lacanian psychoanalysis is despite (one of) its purpose(s) being learning to understand (symbolise) incursions of the Real (as the analysand must in order to overcome psychic trauma/wounds without language which underlie pathological behaviour), it ends up just referring to itself (symbols referring to symbols referring to symbols forever) and avoiding the Real altogether. So it kind of becomes a justification for pathology rather than a way out. At least, this is my experience with Lacanian psychoanalysis lol.
>>2428580I love you too anon!! I will always return, I love this thread for better or for worse kek.
>>2429219Great link anon, totally agree about Icke.
No. 2432421
>>2432160Yet you promote glowie propaganda and disinformation. Here’s my own conspiracy theory about you: you’re a disgruntled fed who’s at risk for unemployment due to orange man/mustrat’s government tampering, was part of the (compromised) Anonymous spergfest targeting orange man not too long ago and is now killing time with psyops and gaslighting on fringe sites whenever tinfoilfags get to the bottom of things in the guise of “rational thought”.
Times up, glowie, now gtfo.
No. 2433549
>>2433140Alleged mk-ultra
victims such as Paul Bonacci and Fiona Bartlett. Bonacci was allegedly involved in the Franklin coverup as a trafficking
victim.
No. 2434465
>>2421050This reminds me of one post I read on 4chan many years back. The poster claimed to work in the industry for many decades. He talked about prosthetics too but only penile ones. He said that before prosthetics in porn took off men were injecting their dicks with some sort of material or drug to finish the scenes in record time without having to take tons of takes. He said that the prosthetics changed the entire industry. He did not mention female prosthetics but I could see this being true with the popularity of extreme pornography these days that would probably put women in the hospital if they had to retake so many of the scenes.
None of the posters believed him either.
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>>2435113>linebacker built women ofc coming in to denounce tranny investigators like clockwork
No. 2435137
>>2435048This would explain why Zendaya is
constantly working on new movies/TV shows and they barely seem to "retreat" together kek. I don't usually buy into gay celebrity tinfoils but I wouldn't be surprised if it was true for them.
No. 2435145
>>2434219>>2432980I don't understand why people insist these
can't be real, they're probably not sold to a wide audience for obvious reasons but it's such a simple and believable concept.
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If there was nothing suspicious about it then why did
>the state passed a law to disallow citizens to access information that was granted by the 1967 freedom act
>forced the entire town to sign an NDA
>melted a building
>didn't use any yearbook photos/ student ID photos student IDs were implemented in the state by 2000
No. 2435178
>>2435169Which state was this?
>buiding melted Cloning farm or HAARP beam testing facility, take your pick.
No. 2435187
>>2435158>>2435162You are overthinking it way too much, people just want ready to eat meals that aren't just vaguely suspicious sandwiches, hot dogs, and salads. Not going to happen, but it's not because of
7/11 pornBentos seem nice. That's it.
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This theory is pretty boring, but I think the reason why so many cultures had animal-headed gods is because, before civilisation "took off", some tribe leaders wore the skulls of creatures they killed to show their authority (it made them look bigger/scarier and showed off their power) and the idea just endured in mythology.
No. 2435308
>>2435212Because it doesn't haven't to be just Japanese food? It's just the concept of a boxed lunch that isn't incredibly unhealthy for you to eat daily.
>>2435191Eating nothing but burgers is more of a brainwash. You do know theyve been fighting to scan your license plate using AI in order to personalize the menu to get you to buy more, right?
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>>2435317If nothing else that theory could be what planted the seed in humanity of "the person with the Big Fancy Hat is our leader" kek
No. 2435357
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>>2435333Winning theory
Do you anons remember the Crazy Days and Nights "industry veteran" who revealed that Ariana Grande and Miranda Cosgrove were the only Nickelodeon
victims who "would" participate in age-play with Schneider (meaning the other girls refused)? I can't find the caps now
No. 2435415
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>>2435391Room 23 was created by Diana Jenkins. She's a crazy rich socialite with a lot of time on her hands. This is from reddit bc I'm lazy but it's accurate afaik
>She was married to a former Barclays executive, so not a c suite but still compensated handsomely. I think her divorce settlement was 40 million. No. 2435425
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>>2435391samefag Hayden comes from a weird incestual family and is super into into rough sex/hitting/punching/etc, she used to be photographed with huge bruises all over her legs but I can't find a single pic now. She has pretty serious issues and had relinquish custody of her daughter to her ex but I think she is sober now and finding work again. I don't think Diana's coffee table book had a lot to do with Hayden's issues or that it was genuinely an escort catalogue
No. 2436466
>>2436462i know anon, that was the point of my post.
Also really pisses me off how romantic love is being shilled the most out of all the other forms of loves. We all know why it's being shilled the most tho.
No. 2436745
>>2436724>is a moid psyopWas a moid psyop, is now legal protection for women
>so they can get sex without any romantic commitment.So TPTB don't have to deal with moid tribalism, which is a threat to their power
No. 2436769
>>2436745>Was a moid psyop, is now legal protection for womenHow is it for women when it is by moids for moids against women?
>So TPTB don't have to deal with moid tribalism, which is a threat to their powerWhat the hell are you talking about?
No. 2436827
>>2436769>How is it for women when it is by moids for moids against women?So that they can't take your children and house, like they could formerly. Now we have common law rights, which would have been unheard of early in the psy-op
>What the hell are you talking about?When you're reactionary, I'm not sure what you need me to explain
No. 2436920
>>2436827>I'm not sure what you need me to explainWhat is TPTB, moid tribalism, etc?
>So that they can't take your children and house, like they could formerly. Now we have common law rightsWhat does that have to do with anything I said? I didn't say anything about children or houses.
No. 2438070
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AI and big tech corpos fucking depress me.I know several people who are using chatGPT for their masters, and me taking all those privacy measures means jack shit when 5 more of my colleagues are feeding the shit that could replace us.
Google thinks it should be their duty to develop AI based weapons according to their blog posts. And normal people just don't give a shit and keep giving them money.
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>>2443783blood for cream, blood for cream
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>>2446689The pwophesy of my dweams. It hath been fofilled.
(infight baiting) No. 2447013
>>2446723I don’t know if you’re being sarcastic but every single time someone posts about a
certain topic here (it doesn’t even have to be solely Gnosticism but just about anything beyond “muh elites are pedophiles” and politics) you’re always hounded by these types of “people” to stop the conversation or to make other people uncomfortable and annoyed to the point they don’t want to use the thread anymore. It’s the same morons calling everyone “schizos”, pagans, stupid, psychotic, delusional for simply having a belief system different from theirs. I see this happen in my real life as well and they’re called matrix agents because the more you start understanding how this world works they start sending their hylics and fillers toward you, they don’t even know they’re being used by higher forces. They have nothing else to offer but be harbingers of chaos and disrupters in a bad way. It’s not surprising this thread is mostly targeted and inactive while other threads that bank off of chaos, disruption and navel-gazing distractions are the most popular.
No. 2447069
>>2447054Not when you're acting like a weird bitch kek. Sorry
nonnie.
(infighting) No. 2447530
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By the way, where can I find some good schizo documentaries? I know there was one playlist on youtube that had a ton of good stuff like The God Makers and some $cientology documentary on it, but I can't find it anymore.
>>2447274Sorry if I'm using the incorrect term for that phenomenon, I'm just trying to point out that it exists.
>a lot of psychically talented zillennials and zoomers got caught up in other things that were not meant to target themCare to elaborate? I know other nonas have talked about the GATE programs earlier in these threads, but I'm not sure if that's what you're referring to.
also pic unrelated
No. 2447557
>>2447344I don't remember that but the RJK poster only said things everyone already knew like Hayden being into rough sex and Ariana being a soulless social climber who will do anything for fame/money. During the time this was posted, Hayden was being photographed every day high or drunk with massive bruises on her ass and legs and it was confirmed that her bf was
abusive. Ariana was pedo baiting and openly ana-chan during this time too, so not hard to believe she was doing "age play" with execs.
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>alchemy isn’t chemistry
>doooodddd i’m totally trolling and baiting these schizo girls right now!!
Yeah, nah. Anyone who’s taken a high school chemistry class knows alchemy has its roots in chemistry, that’s how I first found out actually before I started delving into conspiracy theories. Go fiddle your balls somewhere else, perhaps to the imageboard trannies you likely jerk off to and think it’s okay because it’s a man wearing a miniskirt and Aliexpress wig. Either a male or an atheist faggot who can simply not respond and go talk to their simian ancestors for more science and rationalist tips to “trigger” the schizos in the schizo thread. Retard(infighting)
No. 2447649
>>2447647>alchemists set the stage for modern chemistryDo you really think this is a gotcha? This is why I said they aren't
the same in the first place. I'm not posting from a prison computer anon, I have full access to wiki and google too
No. 2447653
>>2447649nta but
> I'm not posting from a prison computer anonweird thing to specify …hmmmmm
No. 2447656
>>2447638Look up philosopher’s stone, elixir of life which elitists are very interested in (with the whole adrenochrome accusations and all). Alchemy guides medicine, science, because almost most shit that people claim as “science” is spiritual and metaphysical. Playing with the elements of life and the function of life and death itself, it’s obviously connected to transhumanism. Elitists are interested in regeneration and life-extension. There are myths related to this “elixir of life” which I personally believe is connected to blood, period blood, female reproductive parts connected to the theory that abortion clinics were possibly collecting remains of fetuses but it’s possibly even more, there’s something about these materials that can be used for its regenerative qualities. I even looked this shit up because I thought I was batshit insane and look: menstruation blood being used for medical research -
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7063849/ I’m busy walking and typing like a newfag right now but I’m tired of being seen as stupid or crazy for clearly knowing what alchemy is and being gaslit that alchemy has nothing to do with the occult, witchcraft, science, it’s fucking ludicrous. Alchemy represents very specific elements, just like in chemistry, that are utilized in rituals and spells to transmute a particular result. Ex. plants having astrological and elemental associations and combining it to transform it into another form of energy.
No. 2447661
People with common sense and can put two and two together have figured this out:
https://gothamist.com/news/science-delicious-young-blood-contains-the-elixir-of-lifehttps://www.bbc.com/bbcthree/article/347828f8-6e7f-4a9b-92ab-95f637a9dc2eAn article that literally used the exact same terms I said KEK
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC5836258/Go fuck yourself and stop trying to bait people in this thread, I know what I’m talking about and you’re not going to project on me and make me feel stupid. Go through it, post your littler screenshots, this is not an argument about the legitimacy of those studies, it’s the fact there’s always been a neverending interested in alchemical practices especially with life-extension technology.
No. 2447671
>>2447638I'm the bot-anon (apparently) but I would be happy to give you an example, questioning-nona. Alchemy uses matter, chemicals and elements as an allegory for an overall "story", that is always different to the person perceiving it, even though the "basics" are always the same. Alchemists are obsessed with studying matter but also impose their own philosophies, religious beliefs (ideas about God) and the relation to chemistry, is that certain elements/chemicals/matter can be distilled and purified, revealing a "pure essence". Reactive nona is technically correct in that witches "use alchemy", but that is bc they are imparting personal/cultural beliefs on matter. I've never personally met a successful, attractive (as in I want to be around them or find them physically beautiful) or self-proclaimed "witch" over the age of 25. They are all obese and collecting benefits, in my experience. I'm definitely a results-oriented person, so my experience has shown that witchcraft is not useful. Troons seem to love it though. Maybe other anons are different
No. 2447769
>>2447734This was already addressed
>>2447703samefag I mean this "The Game" btw
these are also allegorical, like the celebration party with all the other "insiders" No. 2448019
>>2447656Exactly, this doesn't mean that alchemy is unrelated to contemporary chemistry/natural sciences, the correct conclusion is that chemistry/the natural sciences are and always have been guided by occult concerns, just like alchemy was. Experts even still use the same occult language (as in, language that has the intention to hide/obscure truths) in the cutting edges of fields like chemistry/physics, because it gives them plausible deniability and makes people who talk about the spiritual concerns behind what we focus on in the sciences look like schizos.
Einstein's theory of mass energy equivalence was a huge leap forward for alchemists and has been informing occult spirituality ever since. But equally it was informed BY existing esoteric understandings of the material world. Imo the scene was set for the atom bomb as far back as anaximander.
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It's not "adrenochrome" it's adrenaline. Adrenaline was the first "eqaulizer" between men and women of similar size and some people have trained themselves to access it selectively, like a legitimate irl superhero. One of the reasons they'd rather women be sad than angry
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has anyone else seen this?
No. 2450230
>>2449851I don't think you can take adrenaline regularly. It's one of those "you can flip a car but you break every bone in your arm" type things.
>>2450191I'm disappointed they don't have little tusks.
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>>2450251I looked this up because I wanted to see rave kitties and the reason why they did it made me kek.
No. 2450575
>>2428495>Hollywood celebrity does have connectionsi think that stardom, popularity, celebness, and even cowness comes from witchcraft. lolcow is esoteric. i heard of multiple cows on this site before i even visited it. it's sort of a skinwalker experience. they can take away your popularity or sickness but they also make you experience it. it's not good to relate to so many cows illnesses yet never be diagnosed and treated with anything because you experienced it a few times, yet see the actual cows get special treatment. i don't find it funny, i hate that they are exploited for views, seek AND get attention continuously.
>>2429727yeah, these groups use masks, aliases, fake voices and personas. they only meet each other high on drugs, to have something to blame it on. innocent people get kidnapped and hurt for satanic rituals. then they are hypnotized to forget, or are made to fear the group so they won't speak. the witchcraft they do involves inflicting pain and injuries. many medical professionals and celebrities engage in this because of their access to drugs and protection of high status. p diddy comes to mind lately with his hard drug parties. a woman talked about her party with p diddy on the youtube series soft white underbelly but the video might have been banned since.
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>>2449851adrenochrome
comes from adrenaline (from children)in the first place, anon
No. 2450626
>>2450600witches and wizards(kek) get almost always get that decrypted look
because of the demons they use, those things are like spiritual parasites
No. 2455108
Also humans are half dead and half alive. Spirits slugging around in deadened animal flesh that is purely matter and nothing else is puppetry and manipulation. This is made worse by knowing some are purely made of animal matter and have nothing else driving them, making them easier to be conduits for shitty energy and to keep the density on this planet crushing you into pieces. Moids are more likely to be animal matter made than spiritual but equally both man and woman are both made to be the undead animals that always needs to suck energy and vitality out of each other’s existence to keep eachother alive (sex, pregnancy, socializing, eating, hunting, war, etc), proving even more human life is defined by the half-alive, the undead and the vampiric. We even need to go inside and spend around 6-8 hours of sleeping like a vampire sleeping in its coffin, everything about this planet is so freaky and weird
No. 2455117
>>2450626nta but as someone who's worked with demons (which are basically vilified deities and other spiritual intelligences from pre-Abrahamic religions/cultures; an example being Astaroth, who is Astarte, but also Isis, Innana, and Aphrodite to name a few) and who has also had spiritual parasites at one point way before I got into the occult, nah. The whole "DEMONS BAD" comes from Abrahamic religious programming trying to keep you ignorant and powerless. There are parasites who pretend to be higher or big name entities though which is what was happening most of the time with cases of documented possession, because pretending to be Lucifer or Satan sounds scarier and makes people easier to feed off of. This world is inverted and nothing is like we've been told to believe. Demons don't need your soul, you cannot sell your sell in exchange for power. It's pretty fucking useless unless you cultivated it over past lives or something and are spiritually ascended in this life to escape the cycle of rebirth. Prison planet theory holds some truth, Buddhists got it somewhat right when they said life is suffering and we're supposed to transcend the cycle of rebirth, it's to escape the entities that keep us trapped in ignorance and feed off of humanity's collective strife and misery. Demons are more about trying to help us escape that and overthrowing the system, coming into your personal power and all that. Sure, there are a lot of whackjobs and cults that do abhorrent things in their name but there will always be people pushing their agendas of control claiming it's the true will of whatever they worship, same for Abrahamic religions.
No. 2455186
>>2455121I'd like to know why you think that, because it couldn't be further from the truth.
>>2455125Yes, and Yahweh is an archon, and who is it that demands blind faith and adoration while he torments humans to their limits and leads them to kill in his name, making ignorance a virtue and telling us that we're helpless without some higher power governing us for all eternity?
No. 2455859
>>2455394Mhmmmm think slowly anon, what did I just say in my speech and then come to the obvious conclusion on why I made that as an example
>>2455599I know for a 99% fact every single entity is involved on keeping everybody down. I’m really not going to explain or “flex my knowledge” with people who’ve already made it clear where they stand and won’t change their minds, so I don’t care. I know humans are being trapped, it’s really proven through exploring language, history, psychology and just the literal condition that we are experiencing right now.
No. 2455866
>>2455186I think your posts (if you are this anon
>>2455117) are ridiculously on point for this thread lately but you have a glass half-empty perspective imo. I'm not trying to oversimplify it or sound like a dick, just that your own perspective and view of god shapes the world around you
No. 2456665
>>2456657A person makes a choice to see a psychic, confirms that choice by paying them and how deeply they allow the psychic's opinion to affect them. You know they're con-artists right? Like carnival-folk. They're providing a service that sometimes is no different than therapy or meditation. Children of liars and abusers make the best "psychics" bc they become so good at reading tiny signals and body language people who didn't grow up walking on eggshells wouldn't notice it. Morally I find it reprehensible in some cases but there a few who are really just monetizing their gift of empathy and good advice, I don't have a problem with that. There are some who get their clients addicted to a "pay for play" drama cycle, like gambling. They're okay with a person having a chaotic life and will encourage that since they'll turn to the "psychic" (con-artist) more often for assurance and direction.
The idea of them using "chaos magic" is annoying bc eventually you can call literally anything "magic". Medical science is "magic", carbonation, whatever. If the standard is "mind control", then we're redefining what a word actually means to most people to make something that isn't very interesting sound cool and mysterious. Which ironically is how psychics successfully market themselves
No. 2456753
>>2456731No thanks, I'm good. I refuse to give power to charlatans by making their self-serving deliberate actions sound more interesting than it is through post-modernist thinking.
>rant>look upMaybe if you had more to say, you would have more to post about
No. 2457187
>>2457085I'm replying to this poster you retard
>>2456731>You can look up what chaos magic is instead of writing up your secular rantwho is probably you, the instigator. Calling everyone moids and posting crazy/reactive responses to anyone who disagrees with them, fuck off
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>>2458703>insults the innocent woman in the video because i didn’t know she was supposed to be a on-call glamorous model in front of her camera talking about serpent races and adrenochrome >wants to be spoonfed after insulting her >so mindraped by high dopamine stimuli they can’t even watch a long-form content video of someone talking with no music/editing No. Newfags and hylics gtfo
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>>2455186>who is it that demands blind faith and adoration while he torments humans to their limits and leads them to kill in his name, making ignorance a virtue and telling us that we're helpless withouti think you might like to read the bible chapters mentioning the evil forces in the heavenly realms. ephesians 6:12. as someone who also feels prison planet theory and went through shit that seems paranormal, i came to the conclusion that believing in the christian god and repenting is the only sane option. i have tried hexes, cursing, mantras, meditation, manifesting, and meanwhile i got somewhat lucky with results for a little bit, it ended up very bad in the end. the situation just kept escalating and perverting, and in the end humiliating and causing hurt.
>manifested my first irl boyfriendwhen i realized he was disgusting and only my lust and desperation kept me with him it was devastating
>manifested my college educationfuck this one the most, it ended up in me almost losing everything. i got drugged, kidnapped, overdosed. in the end, the education didn't pay off either, it also felt like a trap with how little i learned, experiencing gatekeeping and misogyny meanwhile seeing my classmates succeed with nepotism and corruption. i would have been better off staying broke or even NEET while watching tutorials on youtube and reading books from the library about anything else i found interesting.
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>>2459406>i came to the conclusion that believing in the christian god and repenting is the only sane optionThis is where most people arrive nona. I think ghouls like picrel are like demonic controlled opposition
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>>2459412>demonic controlled oppositionmedia moguls are all in on it. these lizard types do act possessed. i have seen people stare into nothing and then say wildly out-of-pocket things. it can be contagious if you are weakened. i used to get headaches and migraines with hot and cold flashes. then my mother or father would ask what is wrong with me.
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>>2459756i had quite a few scattered over the years. the worst ones were the physical experiences. all of them very painful and illness inducing.
>wake up one day, very dizzy, my head and arms are moving by themselves>keep hitting head against the wall hard, it hurts, i make weird noises>neighbours angrily knock and yell at me for screaming>i try to get up and use the toilet, my legs and arms keep flailing>feel a hit of cold wind as if i am suddenly outside, feel a push and shove>reach the toilet and try to use it but notice that my clothes are different from what i was wearing. i wore leggings and a sweater last night.>feel wide trouser legs flapping, cold breeze, tough material vest and jacket. it's moving. i am just trying to take a piss please. keep flailing.next i remember is waking up in bed, seeing and feeling multiple bruises on my head, legs, and arms. different clothes on me again but same sweater.
No. 2460634
Do any nonas have thoughts on the Roswell Alien Interview? It’s the story of a woman named Matilda o'donnell macelroy that was published by a guy named Lawrence R Spencer in 1947 (the book was released around 2008 I believe but was written back when the incident was still fresh) where she telepathically communicated with an alien named Ailr from the crash. Apparently lots of people on Reddit mentioned having similar encounters with gray aliens that had no mouths or mentioning that they were told the name of the book telepathically. It goes into a lot of stuff related to Samsara/the Prison Planet about how souls are endlessly/indefinitely reincarnated on Earth for their crimes in past lives or if they’re super creative and can be used to help mine for the other societies out there. I’m not sure if this video is the actual Bob Lazar or just a fan account but it’s a reading of the book. Know that apparently this writer later joined Scientology for 30+ years while writing another book called the Oz Factors according to a leaked email with Graham Hancock so it may be false but I feel there may be something to it since he didn’t join Scientology until decades after, some of it also lines up with recent scientific discoveries / theories. I can’t find all the posts I read but looking up “Roswell Alien Interview” on r/escapingprisonplanet, r/aliens, r/ufos, etc. should get even more info. Ailr is an anagram for Liar so take that as evidence it’s trying to make us reincarnate by making us lose hope or maybe it’s fake also apparently the Matilda lady had sent him this right before she died and he only knew her through phone conversations which is kind of convenient and she was promoted to a position that didn’t exist until 11 years after the “interview” happened but I saw someone say it may just be a red herring to protect her real identity, just to show both sides of the argument. There were a couple of movies/documentaries made about this, I think some were on the history channel too but I’m unsure
Interesting Reddit posts
https://www.reddit.com/r/aliens/comments/14s2zlr/matilda_odonnell_macelroy_1947_roswell_interview/https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/xk4svt/alien_interview_lawrence_r_spencer_anyone_read/https://www.reddit.com/r/InterdimensionalNHI/comments/1dv7onc/multiple_nonhuman_entities_have_told_humans_that/https://www.reddit.com/r/aliens/comments/1fi2rd8/serious_roswell_affidavits_clear_evidence_of_a/https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/xk4svt/alien_interview_lawrence_r_spencer_anyone_read/https://www.reddit.com/r/lawofone/comments/15itmwx/alien_interview/It lining up with recent theories
https://www.reddit.com/r/aliens/comments/1b54j04/decades_ago_matilda_odonnell_macelroy_claimed_she/Scientology email (maybe Scientologists are secretly the awakened Illuminati?)
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?6865-HOAX-Lawrence-Spencer-s-ALIEN-INTERVIEW No. 2463739
>>2463170People just get horribly offended nowadays, and I don't mean "I can't publicly be racist". It just feels like you have to walk on eggshells, make sure you word everything 100% the perfect way and nothing less, people can't take minor disagreements without thinking there must be some crazy deeper evil meaning like how many people were split from COVID and the vaccine and now you have people who think you support terrorism if you support Palestinian children, and now you have the stupid pop up debates about raw milk,
abusive relationships/single parenthood, parenting choices, etc and a lot of people end up saying some stupid shit along the lines of "always listen to your doctor, no questions asked, unless II disagree with your doctor then you listen to me"
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>got myocarditis to pwn the anti-vaxxers!
>Digging my grave to pwn the antivaxxers
>Picking out my casket to pwn the anti-vaxxers
No. 2463818
>>2463739Polarity is politics, polarity is annunaki, polarity is duality and the world is ran by duality. We are in the stages of Kali Yuga which pretty much sums up what you poignantly explained and it’s a long, painful slowing decay.
>>2463803These people are pathetic and love feeling better than people who reject and refuse to uphold the status quo by being the status quo’s bootlickers and supporters. These are the types of people who would pride themselves on being on the slave plantation and ratting out and snitching on the slaves who try to escape.
No. 2464108
>>2464078I constantly see them trying to rewrite history with her whole "they were loading up dead bodies into trucks!" thing. I even seen someone claimed "sunsets were hazy from how much cremation centers were being used" like ??? Did I teleport to a different reality where the virus doesn't have a 99%+ survival rate?
>But but that's still a lot of people compared to the millions!!We lost more people to car accidents and cancer ffs, but no one ran around screaming "I swear they were packing dead bodies!!!" If car accident deaths were particularly high one year. Also didn't help if people died of one thing unrelated and they marked as a "COVID" death if they got hit by a car while testing positive
No. 2464126
>>2464108I remember the trucks of bodies happening in New York. But honestly it just sounded practical. Like you get a reefer trailer, set it to a not-corpse-degrading temperature, and get some breathing room for your crematoriums or graveyards or whatever. It's way easier to get a 53' reefer in than getting a whole new body storage thing set up. Especially for temporary use. But it was blown out of proportion, like some kind of post apocalyptic thing instead of just practicality. I don't remember the cremation thing.
>>2464095One other thing I only see from people who got the vaccine is "long covid" which is just chronic lyme 2 (fake). The list of symptoms I've seen for "long covid" range from numb toes to fatigue to neurological dysfunction.
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>>2464145Not that you're not wrong, but specifically for covid, they had reefer trailers as temp morgues in NYC.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_COVID-19_pandemic_in_New_York_City No. 2464746
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CIA apparently used remote viewing to access the ark of the covenant. What do you think? GATE related?
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With all of this Ai shit going around, I believe in the theory that the government has had this technology for a while now and only released it recently. They will use this to make it so that you have to use your ID or license to access and post on social media websites. They will create the problem of AI dead internet and then sell this china-esque shit as the solution.
More and more countries will become like China with their own fire wall and social media restrictions. The globalization of the internet will come to an end. Some countries are already starting to do this England, Australia, Brazil. More countries are to come.
>>2417970>most people don’t care because they are still begging and waiting for the same shit that only worked in a certain era, wanting the old ways to always work is just retarded.Nothing but truth was said here.
No. 2465461
My mom would love prison planet theory but she still holds on to the christfaggotry despite her entire life being absolute shit. Always getting into strange car crashes, had to get C sections that pretty much ruined her body, is always working and wageslaving while other people are able to get what they want with perfect ease while her life is sabotaged and unfortunately I’ve inherited her same curse. This is not a planet for growth, love, enjoyment, or purpose and it’s suppressing people’s real power and potential. My life has took an absolute downturn when I started figuring out on the micro level on who’s really running this world and what they want from it, which is they, like the elites, are in love with our energy (blood, waste, sex, adrenochrome, ambrosia) and get high and ecstatic over it and I’ve been actively sabotaged and have noticed the strangest synchronicities in my life that made it apparent this is a matrix system. It would throw things at me that I didn’t like whenever I went outside like it was an algorithm figuring out what you like to watch on YouTube or something. It would weaponize and use people that I even consume content from online who suddenly make content on stuff I was learning about before they even fucking decided to make it, in order to get ahead of the narrative. There is nothing here to sustain because there’s something trying to keep me trapped here and my mom fully miserable and helpless. Fuck everything, truly.
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>>2465775Great theory anon. Yeah it seems like her goal since birth was to be justin bieber's wife
No. 2465807
>>2465509what do you mean by the vaccine "working"? As in never get COVID? Because vaccines and immunizations are not the same and while you can get a vaccine to fight against a disease, you are not completely immune.
The point of a vaccination is to prepare your body with the antibodies to defend itself from potential pathogens, so while you will still get sick, the symptoms wont be as severe if you went without.
No. 2465824
>>2465784I agree. Plus Selena has multiple tattoos that are very similar to ones both Hailey and Justin have, and most of the outfits Hailey has been accused of copying are either generic LA girl style or else, as you mentioned, the dates were literally changed by the person who made that thread and if you actually Google them instead of blindly believing the twitter thread, the real dates show Hailey wore them first with Selena following usually a few days to a couple of months later. Why is Hailey labelled a stalker based on tenuous and outright fabricated evidence but Selena gets ignored or treated like a
victim despite actually doing the things Hailey is accused of doing and still releasing songs to this day moaning about her ex picking someone else?
It's not a coincidence that every single girl who's been linked to Justin Bieber has been treated like a villain in Selena's story. She can't get over him and is still possessive over him to this day. I bet she's instigating another hate train against Hailey because she feels extra crazy now her and Justin have had a baby. She has crazy stans for some reason, but I'd still be surprised if this level of vitriol and straight up lies were 100% organic.
No. 2465835
>>2465811Again, a vaccination is NOT an immunization. It does not render you immune to infection nor does it reduce your chance of catching it if you are in a high risk area. The only purpose is to prepare your immune system with the antibodies required to fight off against the disease. Its why COVID symptoms from the beginning of the pandemic went from permanent loss of taste and chronic pulmonary issues to flu-like symptoms that go away in a week.
>Imagine getting the measles vaccine and then getting measles every damn yearSimilarly theres a reason why there are no common cold/influenza immunization shots, why you have to take a vaccination each flu season in order to gain the immunity for it and why you still catch it despite taking the vaccinations so frequently. New pathogens are mutated and created infinitely and there is no singular antibiotic that can fight off against all pathogens. If it was a immunization and you still caught the virus thats when you should start being concerned regarding the authenticity of your injections (e.g. Hepatitis B, Measles as per your example)
No. 2465894
>>2465836My statement was incorrect, COVID symptoms generally aren't as severe as what I listed, what made it very dangerous in the first place was that its highly infectious via airborne particles/droplets which caused it to spread widely in a short amount of time. It should be noted that if your body is under attack by COVID, it leaves you vulnerable to other diseases, so in the beginning stages of the pandemic when people did not know the symptoms or treatment for COVID, hospitals quickly reached max capacity. Airborne transmissions thrive in crowded environments which makes it the perfect breeding ground to infect or worsen the conditions of a patient who is already suffering from COVID. (Hospitals are one of the most highly infectious areas to be around, there is a specific category of disease exclusive to hospital transmitted disease i.e nosocomial infections)
You mentioned that you are on top of your immunizations and flu vaccinations which means your immune system isn't as vulnerable and can fend itself against COVID well enough, but this is not the case for individuals who are immuno-compromised, very young/very old, injured.etc
COVID symptoms are primarily based on a person's underlying health and their immune system;
for example, my mother experienced deliberating symptoms of COVID due to chronic issues such as diabetes and hypertension that worsened her disease, in comparison I myself only experienced flu symptoms and temporary loss of taste (this was pre-vaccination and we are both essential workers).
So yes, if you feel your immune system is strong enough to take care of COVID feel free to not take it, the world's your oyster. Just take consideration that if you were to suddenly become injured, gain chronic illness, or simply get old, your immune system will be more susceptible to worsened symptoms and will not be prepared with the required antibodies to fend off the disease quickly. Also be aware that
your children may not have an immune system as mature enough as yours and could experience worsened symptoms of covid were they to catch it along with other pathogens that could worsen their health such as influenza.
No. 2465973
>>2465894Samefag, heres another simplification on how vaccination could have an effect on the spread and symptoms of covid:
>be unvaccinated and catch COVID>body does not have antibodies to fend off pathogen so it takes longer to eliminate the disease>your body currently carries the COVID pathogens as the immune system is still fending it off>you spread the pathogens via airborne particles and secretions, potentially infecting a host that comes into contact with the disease>disease infects another unvaccinated person >cycle repeats and more people are infectedAnother fact I should correct is that COVID symptoms are milder for infants and young children, HOWEVER, if the child is infected with COVID they could be susceptible to more dangerous diseases such as RSV, pertussis, hiB that the child is too young to receive immunizations for so you would need to get rid of the COVID symptoms as soon as possible.
No. 2466052
>>2466023Don't be obtuse, what I said is a simplified definition on why COVID/Influenza is a reoccurring illness despite the repetitive vaccinations. I certainly could've worded it better by saying that vaccinations can lead to immunization however not all vaccinations can grant complete immunity to all pathogens.
I've never encountered a rabies case nor have expertise in it since contracting it is virtually nonexistent outside of contact with an infected animal (which vets are more susceptible to receiving) but as far as I know rabies is easy to prevent, harder and virtually impossible to cure.
The vaccination can fight against the rabies virus establishing itself in the central nervous system but it does not guarantee complete immunity should you not be on top of your boosters. Rabies is especially important to consider because it can remain doormant for years before symptoms show up and later become fatal.
Also not every stray animal is a potential host to rabies? So even if you were bitten by a stray that does not guarantee you foaming in the mouth and dying?
Thats like saying getting sneezed in the face will 100% guarantee a flu because thats how influenza is spread. Your chances are increased yes but its not guaranteed.
No one is dying from COVID, but it certainly will worsen the symptoms of other chronic diseases that will lead to their death.
No. 2466887
>>2465894My immune system is absolute shit but it managed to fight off covid on it's own even though it took longer than for other people. What it wouldn't be able to fight of is all the other shit that was in the vaccine.
>>2466115One of my friend's got 6 jabs and said he's looking forward to another one. Fucking insane, he really belives it's a good thing to this fanatical point. He had pretty bad health this last year "without any reason".
>>2466845There might have been lifeforms there in the past when it was habitable for life. Astral projection can often take you to see things from the past. Wish i could see mammoths but the furtherst thing from the past i saw was happening sometime in 1910-30's.
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>luke skywalker (enki)
Kek I love being a tinfoiler
No. 2468271
>>2465894The milder symptoms may or may not be the work of the vaccine. Remember that at around the time the vaccines were rolling out, the virus had already mutated naturally into a milder version of itself which resembled the flu. There were early studies which showed a worsened immunity after two shots of the vaccine, not to mention that the manifacturers withheld important information on the known side effects for a lot of time, I can't blame people for thinking that the covid vaccines were shady dangerous things, especially because the majority of the population didn't have a choice not to take it (remember when governments forced you to take it and took away your right to work, study and buy things if you didn't?).
Plus you talk about spreading the disease, but remember that the manufacturers for the vaccines actually said that they were never tested to stop the spread and most likely didn't (another thing we were gaslighted about).
>>2466009If hospitals and health care workers actually did their fucking jobs (and if the governments let them) we would have had half of the issues that came up with covid. Many deaths were due to neglect, wrong treatment and refusal to give medications even when available. Most politicians are old ass fuckers with at least 2 illnesses, but I wonder why none of them died from covid when they caught it.
No. 2469832
>>2465894Everything you said in this comment is pretty much false, anon. COVID was never 'very dangerous' in the first place. You keep talking like it is but it just wasn't, even mainstream science is now admitting that with great frequency. A mild cold (which it always was) spreading frequently in a short time is how every seasonal ILI works and no one ever talks about other similar colds as 'very dangerous' even though they can kill old people.
>people did not know the symptoms or treatment for COVIDYes they did, from the very start COVID symptoms were just 'regular cold/flu symptoms' and there have been no changes to that at any intervening point. That's still the official symptoms of COVID, is 'a cold.' Hospitals reached 'max capacity' because they let fewer people in, not because there were more sick people.
>You mentioned that you are on top of your immunizations and flu vaccinations which means your immune system isn't as vulnerable There's no evidence for this and has never been any evidence for this and that's really not how the immune system works.
>but this is not the case for individuals who are immuno-compromisedDo you even know what that word means?
>very youngPeople who are very young were never at any risk from COVID at all, they are literally the safest group that handles minor colds the best out of all demographics.
>for example, my mother experienced deliberating symptoms of COVID due to chronic issues such as diabetes and hypertensionNo shit, older people with diabetes and hypertension don't handle colds as well as young and healthy people.
>if you feel your immune system is strong enough to take care of COVID feel free to not take itNo one would have cared enough to be arguing about it 4 years later if people were 'free to not take it' in the first place. It's hilarious reading these posts acting like they were born yesterday or lived in a cave in serbia since 2018. Almost every human being in the world was pressured and coerced to take the vaccine, nonna, that's why people are still upset about it.
>>2465973This entire explanation is incredibly scientifically illiterate and I think you should spend some more time researching if you're as interested in this topic as you seem to be. A good starting point is to ask yourself which antibodies, in which tissues, would help 'fend off' the COVID pathogen versus which antibodies, in which tissues, the vaccine creates, and for how long, and their pharmacokinetics generally.
It's also incredibly dishonest to type up borderline glowie-posts like this 4 years after everyone was forced to take the vaccine because most of us here are not 5yos and are old enough to remember the definition of vaccine that was on the WHO website and the things that the vax creators and vax shills themselves were saying at that time. They claimed the vaccine was necessary because it would completely halt transmission, and that vaccinated people could not get or transmit COVID. Now we're all just supposed to settle for this juvenile retcon of 'no, we all knew that vaccines didn't work that way!!' Embarrassing that a person who claims to work in the healthcare system is shilling this medically uneducated garbage when you had years to look up some actual information. Then making repeated samefagging posts 5 minutes later trying to correct the multiple errors you noticed you made right afterwards, probably because you never bothered to look up basic facts until after shillposting.
>>2466009>tuberculinWhere do you live, Venezuela? They don't even give the TBG vaccine in first world countries.
>>2466103>contrarians that reject modern medicineSeems to be you considering the garbled antiscientific nonsense you posted all over the thread. It's always the least educated people with the least apparent background in 'modern medicine' who accuse others of being 'anti science' and 'anti modernity' but won't pick up their modern computer and use their modern wifi connection to access some modern pubmed articles (or even older ones!) which can be read for free on the modern internet.
>>2468271>the virus had already mutated naturally into a milder version of itself which resembled the flu.It always resembled the flu from the very beginning. It IS, currently, in essence, the flu. It always was. The tests couldn't even accurately tell you if you had COVID or some other virus or nothing. All anyone who 'got COVID' knew for a fact was that they had a flu, during a time when people were saying 'COVID is going around,' but it could have been any other ILI as well. As you say, the immune response has been shown (both observationally and mechanistically) to be worsened by the vaccine and this information was at least partially available before they even rolled it out. The whole thing was such a transparent psyop.
No. 2469872
>>2469863It probably is real, as in people are really tired and it's probably due to some baseline health issues, but I don't believe it's an actual concrete disease and certainly it doesn't have a known etiology, so saying
>Long Covid is not health anxiety, long covid is myalgic encephalomyelitis.is basically equivalent to saying
>chronic eepy disorder is not chronic eepy disorder, it is actually chronic eepy disorder. No. 2469945
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>>2469875Thanks nonna, I need to correct one thing from my post though, which is that I realized after posting you were pressured to take the vaccine even if you were literally a serbian cave hermit who didn't interact with society. So what's that anon's excuse?
No. 2471966
During covid lockdowns I remember a group doing astral projection tours and I signed up for it, but they cancelled due to interpersonal drama, very sad. We were planning on seeing the moon and some other places.
>>2469832We do the tuberculin in Greece,
nonnie… We're a first world country, aren't we? (Please say yes)
No. 2471996
>>2471970>(just barely)>'boat people'Fair points all around.
It's really shocking to see people still shilling so hard for the narrative 5 years past the situation itself. Is it really so hard to go, "Yes, we over-reacted and in retrospect, we didn't need to do what we did to people and ruin their livelihoods over a mild cold." Is it really better to erode people's confidence in their health authorities and vaccines in general, even unto the point of changing the definition of vaccine? It just strikes me as so silly whenever I'm confronted with it. If someone heard "vaccines don't confer immunity" wouldn't they be more likely to get no vaccines rather than get the shitty covid one? "The covid one is shitty and doesn't prevent you from catching it, so only take it if you need it" would be so much better messaging rather than this.
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>>2471524With astral projection? I started when I was in highschool but I started with lucid dreaming (I didn't beive in astral projection at all then) and was doing it for about half of a year and then astral projection just happened to me two nights in a row so I didn't really have a strategy to learn it. I think though lucid dreaming is a good start with your mind abilities, I think it turns on a switch in your brain do be able to do more things.
When I was already doing astral projection regulary what helped me to induce it was: 1.Think about doing it a lot during the day 2. Talk about the experiences with my friend 3. Wake up in the middle of the night and go to the toilet (I don't know why but my body needs to walk a little bit before the projection, doesn't work if i just wake up and go back to sleep) Then lie on your back, no libs crossed, and just be like this and don't move. Then you could start to hear your own brainwaves (happens somtimes, sometimes not, but it's a good sign) Then you'll feel vibrations in your legs slowly going to your brain and when the vibrations reach your brain they stop and you need to get up. It's difficult to get up because you're tired but when you do you got up from your body and you're there. People usually panic at this point and it's over but if you learn to not panic it's a lot of fun.
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>>2471996No shade nonna I've been to Greece twice and was just there 2 summers ago and it is legitimately my fav place in the world in terms of food, nature, very friendly people etc. but I'd say it's closer to a mid-income country propped up by the wealth of Europe generally and when it comes to health care may be straggling a little compared to other wealthier countries. When I looked up TB cases in Greece I found picrel suggesting that a majority of Greek TB cases (there are not many) are migrant-related. There are many Western countries without regular TB vaccination which have similarly low case rates, not because the vaccines were so effective in the past or whatever but simply speaking because TB is a poverty disease that hardly affects anyone with access to clean water, good nutrition, etc. Like in Canada for example no one in the entire country regularly gets TB vaccines except for remote northern Inuit populations, who have an ongoing TB crisis but also barely have access to food or reasonable healthcare. I personally knew two people who worked with tuberculosis populations in Nunavut and neither of them were expected to get the TB vaccine themselves, because it was generally understood that as healthy people they wouldn't get it just from hanging out with TB positive populations for 3-4 months. Also TB can be treated with conventional antibiotics fairly easily until it's far-gone, so it's really an issue for communities without healthcare access mainly.
>Is it really so hard to go, "Yes, we over-reacted and in retrospect, we didn't need to do what we did to people and ruin their livelihoods over a mild cold."Yeah it is hard for people because they put everything on the line for the narrative. The people who were hardcore vaccine shills for years and years alienated their friends and family members and told them they hope they'll die, it's not easy to come back from that. They gloated over myocarditis deaths claiming they only happened in the UNvaccinated, it's hard to come back from that and admit the vaccines were causing the myocarditis. It's just generally much harder to admit you're wrong after you've burned so many bridges and staked your entire reputation and sense of 'I'm a good person!' on a belief.
>Is it really better to erode people's confidence in their health authorities and vaccines in general, even unto the point of changing the definition of vaccine?The problem is that the whole fiasco didn't seem to erode the average person's confidence that much. And for the people whose confidence was eroded, they had the convenient 'evil murderous antivaxxer getting everyone killed' narrative at the ready. That narrative actually made me (a biomedsci person who previously was super pro-vax) to look into past arguments for vaccines and I actually realized that there was not a lot of good evidence for prior vaccines either, but since they weren't as clearly harmful/dangerous as the COVID vax, it was very convenient to work up a narrative about the evil vax doubters as murderous psychopathic hippie homeschooler women who put everyone's kids at risk. People were already primed to think that antivaxer = bad, anti-science, etc. so the extent to which the average NPC's faith in the medical establishment was eroded by COVID seems very small. In fact, I've noticed a lot of people to this day in 2025 claiming that COVID was an example of why we need to completely trust big pharma and the biomedical establishment, and use it to promote and shill stuff like WPATH troon care and other dubious 'healthcare' as well. I've never seen other scientists like myself so smug and narcissistic as I have over the past few years because of how COVID inflated the public's idea of their importance.
>"The covid one is shitty and doesn't prevent you from catching it, so only take it if you need it" would be so much better messaging rather than this.I would think that would be the case if your average person was rational, but sadly I no longer believe your average person is. People are completely stuck in their social media bubbles and don't want to think critically since it's hard. They will just accept whatever they're told.
No. 2472079
>>2472061Yeah it completely changed the entire way I look at the world. I used to look at those moids who went on about how 'most people are NPCs' and think that they were just autistic retards lacking theory of mind/empathy (and I still do to some extent) but I get why they said that now. After 2020 it was really hard to look at the regular normies around me in the world the same way anymore and I really do operate on the assumption now that most people are essentially NPCs for all intents and purposes. Like not in the sense that I don't think they have brains and cognition but in the sense that I don't think they really use their brains for much of anything approaching critical thinking or reasoning or really ask themselves any important questions about the world. If Man On The News says 'do X' they do X. If Man On The News says a week later 'doing X makes you a Nazi' they screech that they won't be friends with anyone who has done X ever again.
My parents and grandparents lived through one or several autocratic regimes (grandparents all lived through the holocaust essentially as well as invasions by the red army, etc) and they all said that COVID felt pretty much like the same thing even if it was less explicitly violent. In fact many of my relatives said it felt worse because of the way that everyone just quietly accepted it and didn't fight back. I lost so many friends and several of my friends openly admitted that they think vax passports are similar to Jim Crow segregation but 'it's okay because the government means well.'
The most heartbreaking thing was honestly seeing all these really accomplished near-retirement scientists (some with Nobel prizes) breaking down and crying over the way they were being mistreated just for bringing up basic scientific facts. Prior to COVID I was pretty convinced I wanted to stay in academia and try to become a science professor but it completely shattered my faith in the academic establishment. Random busker hippie couchsurfers I knew were making more logical sense than people with PhDs and if you actually had a science PhD and tried to give people any facts or evidence they would just go 'no, not you, the experts who have the same opinion as me.' I honestly started to obsessively read those articles about how some people don't have internal monologues and shit to try to grasp how it was possible for people to act so empty-headed but I still to this day can't really grasp what happened to people or how it is possible for them to be like that. It felt like I was getting an object lesson in 'how pretty much everyone in Germany became a Nazi overnight' because I used to think that was weird and hard to explain and now I don't anymore.
Sorry for the long rant but at this point the weirdest thing to me is that after COVID became less of a 'thing' and society went back to (relatively) normal, there's been a huge influx of science papers proving basically everything COVID skeptics and vax skeptics were saying, but everyone just ignores them. All the 'Trust The Science (TM)!!' retards have gone back to never reading or mentioning a single scientific abstract as hundreds of papers come out proving the whole thing was a total scam. There's still some level of suppression of science papers on the topic but it's far less aggressive than it was 2-3 years ago but it literally doesn't matter because no one gives a shit anymore as if the whole thing never happened at all; if you bring it up to normies they will act like it's some passe and dead topic no one should care about anymore even though it completely restructured society and fucked up the careers, education and developmental processes of billions of people.
No. 2472095
>>2472085Idk nonna I don't get paranormal experiences or anything like that but I can relate to the feeling that things are unraveling (also as a lifelong atheist) and I understand why some people feel drawn to spirituality now. I can't really speak to what to do about spiritual stuff because I still don't but my attitude is to try to focus on the things that make life worthwhile (whether you feel it's a spiritual thing or not). Connecting with nature, creating things (art, even gardening, whatever), nurturing and helping other people, fostering a sense of community, just doing the things that feel important to you even if they aren't associated with typical 'success' metrics.
A lot of people have thought 'it's all unraveling' or 'the world is ending' at many points in history but then nothing like that happened, so I don't want to put too much stake in the subjective perception I have that things are falling apart because I think in civilization, things often fall apart cyclically. However I think for me or you as an individual, the way to not get dragged down by it is to live a life that is full and that includes not being afraid (of things like social censure, losing money/opportunities for speaking out or taking risks), devoting yourself to improving things concretely for people around you or the environment around you (I don't mean going to environmentalism protests, but like working the land, cleaning up when you see trash in nature, etc) and just trying to build a community in person with like-minded people.
>>2472089Lol yeah where I live a bunch of people continue to wear masks to walk around outside, it's bizarre. During COVID I would go on hikes and people with masks would pass me on the hike and like literally jump into the forest when they saw us coming and like scramble to run 20feet up some forest slope. I also saw people swimming in mountain lakes with masks on.
No. 2472107
>>2472013Wow interesting, I guess it makes sense that lucid dreaming would make it easier since it's an out of body experience in a way too. I've honestly never been that interested in lucid dreaming as it just seems like daydreaming with extra steps to me, but it's happened to me a few times so it's good to know that it could help. Astral projection is like an art of discovering the secrets of the universe and that has always appealed to me. I guess I will start a dream diary then!
Also this might be a long shot, but do you nonas think that this falling feeling that sometimes happens right before sleeping might be related to astral projection? I know it's supposed to be a reflex that kept our ancestors in the trees, but I've never really been satisfied with that explanation. When it happens to me or my nigel, the flinching is usually really visceral, so I doubt it would help sleep in trees, it seems more like it would lead to falling in the first place.
No. 2472114
>>2472079I had such a similar experience to you, anon. The mistreatment really, really sticks with me. Where I live things were infamously totalitarian, you needed to show proof of vaccination+booster even to enter the grocery store. I'm glad we don't have to do that anymore, but I always just wonder, did everyone just forget that shit? We just live our lives like nothing happened for the most part, but I remember how instantly people toed the line and how aggressive they were if you were even a little hesitant, and most importantly I remember how this aggression had institutional backing. I'm still baffled at how some of my very bright, very kind friends immediately turned into broken records who would just repeat the mantras of that time and refuse to even consider that the government response may have been a little odd, let alone that the vaccine was being actively lied about.
I also remember seeing people swimming with masks on as recently as 2022. Here even surf beaches and hiking trails were closed by government decree. We had those bizarre proto-15-minute-city distance/time restrictions too which were fucking insane.
No. 2472116
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Some of the normie women who were beastly to me during covid are more contrite now. I mean, trust them less now that I know they're susceptible to brainwashing and will turn on me at any time. But hey, they can retroactively admit it was a silly situation. So not all hope is lost, right? So now with the new narrative of avian flu they'll be innoculated against media driven over-reaction… right? Am I too optimistic or what? I do have some people worried about my backyard flock infecting me.
No. 2472120
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>>2472118Why are you having an emotional reaction to words on a website? Picrel was definitely not common in Asia. Maybe a few scattering of masks on adults, but nothing on this scale. Nowhere near.
No. 2472130
>>2472114Yeah I also lived in one of the places with the worst (and longest-lasting) restrictions in the world. Like curfews for literal years, couldn't go to any leisure activity or restaurant or bar, you couldn't enter certain big box stores without a vaxpass or if you could, you could only buy certain things there and not others (really weird), you couldn't buy alcohol, you couldn't get healthcare in some cases, etc. They never banned us from going to food-only grocery stores but there were restrictions on stores like Walmart that had other stuff that wasn't food. It only stopped around 2023 iirc, long after most places had gone back to being more sane.
>but I always just wonder, did everyone just forget that shit? I also think this all the time. I'll have people who called me a nazi fascist murderer trying to ingratiate themselves with me again as if nothing happened even though they were publicly wishing for my (personal) death a couple years ago.
>my very bright, very kind friends immediately turned into broken records who would just repeat the mantras of that time and refuse to even consider that the government response may have been a little odd, let alone that the vaccine was being actively lied about.Maybe they actually weren't very bright or very kind. I don't think of any of those people as bright or kind anymore. I think a lot of people manage to seem bright, kind, and normal when they aren't called upon to do any critical thinking or show any empathy for people who aren't exactly like themselves, but it's a smokescreen. Notably almost all my close friends, who actually cared about me, acted normal during COVID even if they initially disagreed with me - they would hear me out, have a conversation; most ended up agreeing with me after a few months. I think it's easy for people to seem 'smart' because they went to college and learned the Big College Words and it's easy for people to seem nice when there isn't any reason for them not to be, but the illusion is shattered when they're called upon to actually display intelligence or kindness under non-ideal conditions.
>>2472116In what way are they contrite? Like did they actually look into it and reason their way through the situation and sincerely apologize or are they just trying to paper things over?
>>2472118Do you have evidence of this 'widespread' constant mask wearing in 'Asian countries' during every past flu season? I live in a place with a huge number of East Asian immigrants and most of my friends who were recent Asian immigrants thought the masking shit was ultra ridiculous and insisted it was never normal back home. If you look at videos of places like Japan and China pre-2020 you can see from the surveillance video that not many people are wearing masks, you can also look at popular media and see that it wasn't normalized in media. And I also believe the dozens of Asian immigrants I personally know that they never saw such a thing irl.
>thin layer of paper cloth is the same as the Islamic niqab No it's actually worse in some ways because the 'paper' aka fiberglass pasted to your face is far more dangerous than wearing loose cotton over your face. The small particles get lodged in your mucous membranes, throat and lungs, bacteria and fungi grow on them and are re-breathed, etc. But it's curious that the only thing you can think of to compare masks to is a cultural practice that exists to oppress and de-person women. It's almost like depersoning wearers is the whole point.
No. 2472147
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>>2472079I remember a friend sharing a study on sperm count and motility after the covid jab using sperm donors who donated before and after they got it. The conclusion said that there was no significant change, but the actual t values of the samples shortly after, intermediately after, and after a greater period of time were still not even close to 0 compared to the before sample… Some of the T3's were even worse than the earlier samples. So the conclusion isn't supported by the data. They even admitted so in the discussion but decided the need to push the jab was worth lying about it. Even shown the tables and picrel she was just like "I don't understand the numbers, but the conclusion says blah blah blah." You can't tell if -14% change as compared to 0 from the pre-jab sample is better or worse? What if you had $0 and you check your bank later to find it has -14% of change happening in there. What can you determine about your bank balance from this? If your latest sample is -15.9%, would you consider that further away or closer to the number zero? Gosh I dunno, let's just have the smart science men tell us everything. Science and curiosity are completely fucking dead.
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/epdf/10.1111/andr.13209 here's the shitass study if anyone else wants to read it.
>>2472131Masks have never been proven to do shit besides encourage tooth hygiene. Shills are so low quality it's sad.
No. 2472159
>>2472120NTA but I'm chiming in to say wearing masks to prevent the spread if illness is common in Asian countries, notably in Japan. It has been common for a while, I remember watching a crowd clip in a movie set in Japan and many of the people were wearing face masks. I was around 10 years old.
>>2472131It's okay to stop answering someone on lc when they're being weird or unnecessarily aggro. This goes double for tinfoil thread because you get the anti-vaxx/covid denier/flat earther type of posters. And this is the thread for them, they are not wrong to post in this thread about those things, but people in those communities tend to be more aggressive and stubborn. So if you've upset them, they aren't likely to listen to your side of the argument, and you might want to stop replying before it escalates to an infight.
No. 2472167
>>2472089I got written up for being alone inside a 47,000 sq ft warehouse without a mask and that's when I knew it was bullshit lmao. That was like 2 weeks into "2 weeks to flatten the curve" and I was an "essential worker".
>>2472161Weren't yall practically put in camps when you caught it?
No. 2472190
>>2472159Lol being skeptical of the covid vax with all the information we have on just how shitty and worthless it is being lumped in with all the other stuff that's completely wacky. Maybe people are "aggro" with you because you're using the same argumentation we've heard for literally 5 years despite 0 scientific support. I'm glad you got an opportunity to wk some
nonnie tho, I'm digging your girl supporting girl vibe, keep it up.
No. 2472196
>>2472131Yeah the retards in 1918 who poisoned thousands of people with like 50 aspirin pills per day did so well at suppressing Spanish Flu deaths that the like 2 US cities with mask mandates also happened to have the highest death counts. Wearing cheesecloth over their faces totally saved them tho!
>the west (by which I mean america) IDK why you keep mentioning America specifically when it's obvious most nonnas in this thread aren't even American but no, people all over the world struggled to wear masks because it's unnatural and unhealthy and damaging to the human organism to cover your face in fiberglass all day and rebreathe your own carbon dioxide. Also masks didn't 'prevent' anything and the scientists shilling masks knew that to begin with.
>>2472147There were like literal thousands of studies that did this same thing nonna. Studying something, finding that the vaccine actually was harmful or causing side effects or that X 'prevention measure' didn't work or whatever but then the conclusion would just be like 'well this isn't concerning enough to stop forcing everyone to do the dangerous thing though so!' Meanwhile when SSRIs have 14% efficacy above placebo doctors prescribe them to everyone and their dog.
>>2472155Personally, same as you, I stopped trying to converse with and entertain the NPCs. I used to be an extremely extroverted social butterfly, make small talk with basically every stranger I encountered outside, etc. but COVID led to me being a lot more selective with who I waste time on. I'm still extroverted and nice to strangers in public but I don't view your average person as a potential friend anymore and I try to save my energy for people who really matter to me. You're right that trying to convince retards of anything is basically a waste of time, it served me well during COVID because 'onlookers' would read/hear the arguments and be convinced but it's mostly not worth it to get upset about NPCs acting like NPCs.
>>2472159Again do you have actual evidence that regular mask-wearing by large numbers of people was ever actually 'widespread' in Japan? Or is your evidence just 'I saw a movie 10 years ago and some people were wearing masks in the crowd and I know for sure it was because preventing diseases even though Japan didn't have less colds than any other country'?
>anti-vaxx/covid denier/flat earther type of postersLmao at talking to actual scientists and educated people posting academic papers and transparently trying to write them off as 'flat earther type of posters.' This is a fantastic example of the low-effort shill mentality of 'I have no evidence of anything I'm saying but I won't be bothered engaging with people who actually know something about a topic.' God forbid people be stubborn about reality. Next you're going to tell me that biological sex doesn't exist because 'the CDC told us that sex is a spectrum and you can change it by having a gender feeling.'
No. 2472209
>>2472160Not wanting some weird new gene therapy injected into your body isn't a party affiliation anon.
>>2472167>I got written up for being alone inside a 47,000 sq ft warehouse without a mask Lol this reminds me of that news story where two hikers were climbing some remote mountain in the US and they sent helicopters to get them off the mountain because they were 'spreading COVID' lmao.
>>2472174Shit like this happened in Canada too, there were videos of people being interned in weird prison camps in the North of Alberta when they tested positive at their oil rig jobs. Some guy 'escaped' the facility and filmed the whole thing it was insane, but also there were just regular 1-2 month quarantine hotels for anyone who came from overseas/visited another country too that were less secretive.
>>2472190It really just shows how effective government propaganda and brainwashing procedures are that in 2025 with all the hundreds/thousands of pubmed articles confirming 'covid skepticism' you still get people acting like being skeptical of big pharma gene therapies is the same thing or at least similar to flat-eartherism. Forget that most of the world's most accomplished scientists didn't buy into the vax grift, The News Man said so.
No. 2472246
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>>2472196>Again do you have actual evidence that regular mask-wearing by large numbers of people was ever actually 'widespread' in Japan? Or is your evidence just 'I saw a movie 10 years ago and some people were wearing masks in the crowd and I know for sure it was because preventing diseases even though Japan didn't have less colds than any other country'?Nta but actually yes. At least since 150 years ago it's been a thing for influenza, privacy concerns (being seen out in public), no makeup days, hiding tiredness etc.
>Masks started to be used in Japan in the 1870s, about 150 years ago. At the time, people working at coal mines and factories wore the masks to protect themselves from dust. It is said that black masks were the most popular as dirt does not stand out with this color.
>In general, masks are often used for preventing epidemics. In Japan, people wear masks in many cases to avoid passing on germs to other people if they catch a cold or an infectious disease. On the other hand, a large number of people in Japan put on masks in public places even if they are not feeling unwell. One reason for this is hay fever, a condition present in about 30% of Japanese people.Hay fever refers to the sneezing, runny nose, and other symptoms that people feel due to an allergic reaction that happens when pollen enters the body from Japanese cedars, Japanese cypresses, or other trees. There is a large amount of pollen in the air during the spring and fall in particular, and many Japanese people suffer symptoms such as sneezing and runny nose during these seasons. Wearing a mask helps to ease these symptoms, so Japanese people suffering from hay fever have a custom to wear masks at school or work as well as when going outside.
https://web-japan.org/trends/11_culture/pop202008_mask-culture.html No. 2472255
>>2472097This is good advice nonna and thanks for posting it. The way to fight this feeling is to live a good life that you're happy with if you can. Despair is the first psyop.
>>2472130>in what way are they contrite… are they just trying to paper things over?Well… At this point I'll accept trying to paper things over. At least for long term friends and family. I think the real driver for the covid situation and brainwashing was to divide families and make people trust each other less. I mean, just look at how divisive this topic still is, you know? You cannot have a civil discussion about it and the shills just repeat the same lines over and over with 0 thought. I'll accept papering it over if it means I can still be in my family's life and keep lifelong friends. My mom has said she regrets how much she "got into it" and no longer has the TV on the news all day. But I can definitely understand the feelings of nonnas who don't want to risk being turned on again lol.
>>2472246>posts something from 2020 as proofum…
but anyway even setting aside if it's common in Japan or not (I'll accept that use of masks isn't unusual in the country, ntayrt) that has no bearing on whether they're effective specifically for covid or anything at all. There's already enough evidence that these masks don't do anything. They're a signaling for politeness at most.
No. 2472256
>>2472246Sorry my bad, I should have asked, do you have any PRE-2020 evidence that regular mask-wearing by large numbers of people was widespread in Japan? You're basically confirming my prior assertion that
>some people would do it but most wouldn't and at any rate it was more from a sense of politeness or not wanting to visibly look like shit than any real belief that it stopped colds/flus from spreadingwith your own assertion that
>it's been a thing for influenza, privacy concerns (being seen out in public), no makeup days, hiding tiredness etc. But I was actually looking for evidence that it was actually widespread for a majority or even a large minority of East Asians to wear masks throughout flu season. I don't think anyone is denying that some Japanese people wore masks sometimes for various reasons.
>people working at coal mines and factories wore the masks to protect themselves from dust>due to an allergic reaction that happens when pollen enters the bodySo two types of particles dramatically larger than viral particles which masks actually have some chance of stopping or minimizing. Got it. I'm still asking about respiratory diseases here though.
Even your own post-2020 mask normalization link states that
>masks have not been popular among people in Japan for so longbut the link provides no actual numbers or stats on the prevalence of mask usage for influenza other than just stating that it 'became increasingly common.'
No. 2472275
>>2472255>Despair is the first psyop.It really is. One of the things the whole COVID debacle taught me was that I can't just sit around waiting for society to get better to have the kind of life that I want. There are lots of terrible and disturbing things about our modern society and there are reasons to worry about a collapse but there are also tons of amazing opportunities modern society grants us that many of our forebears didn't have, like access to almost infinite information for free via the internet, access to almost infinite people for free via the internet, fairly widespread women's rights especially the right to work and control our own finances, increased geographical mobility, generally abundant (if low quality) food and clean(ish) water, low incidence (ironically considering the current topic) of deadly disease, etc. So I see no point in despairing and overfocusing on the bad aspects of modern society or doomerism, even though it's good to stay wary and keep up to date. We have a lot of control over our fate compared to women even 100-200 years ago and we should take that opportunity and live well.
>brainwashing was to divide families and make people trust each other lessThis is a typical goal of all authoritarian regimes. I think you're right that when it comes to your own family it can be worth it to accept papering things over, but I also think that with voluntary associations like friends/acquaintances I'd be less likely to do that. I have been carefully curating the friends I put time and energy into now after seeing 5 years ago that many people I considered 'friends' would literally throw me under a moving bus or sell me out to the stasi if they had the chance. I don't want/need people like that in my life anymore and my life has been a lot better after removing them. The thing is as much as 'the government was trying to divide us' is true, it's also true that the people who turned against you had a choice not to do that and they did it anyway. I wouldn't want to be locked in a bunker with that kind of person when the next Bad Thing happens. At the end of the day it was their choice and I had plenty of people in my life who didn't throw me under the bus or wish for my death, so I'll be sticking with those people from now on.
>that has no bearing on whether they're effective specifically for covid or anything at allIn fact if mask wearing for flu season had been extremely widespread in Japan/China/SK prior to 2020 it would actually be further evidence that they're ineffective (not like we don't already have enough evidence), because it's not like those countries had dramatically fewer ILI cases than other high-pop nations. I just think it's funny how hard Westerners try to retcon this when every recent East Asian immigrant I know is like 'uh no that's fake and we never did that.'
No. 2472306
>>2472255>>2472256>>2472275>>that has no bearing on whether they're effective specifically for covid or anything at all>In fact if mask wearing for flu season had been extremely widespread in Japan/China/SK prior to 2020 it would actually be further evidence that they're ineffective (not like we don't already have enough evidence), because it's not like those countries had dramatically fewer ILI cases than other high-pop nations. I just think it's funny how hard Westerners try to retcon this when every recent East Asian immigrant I know is like 'uh no that's fake and we never did that.'I'm thankful that this prompted me to search for an extensive research paper from 2014 that hopefully answers you and the above nonas' questions. It does give thought to whether it's ritualistic or actually effective though.
>Although the general public reacted negatively to this compulsory mask-wearing, San Francisco, for example, achieved a sharp decline of new flu cases after the enforcement of its Mask Order. This case became known as a successful battle against Spanish influenza. Barry (2005: 375), however, argues: “The city had simply been lucky.” Nonetheless, in contrast to “the paralysing fear found in too many other communities,” people in San Francisco “felt a sense of control:” “They thought that they had controlled it, that they had stopped it” (Barry 2005: 375). Although these masks might have been in fact useless against the influenza virus itself, they gave people a sense of control over the pandemic.
>The Japanese post-Spanish influenza pandemic report Ryūkōsei Kanbō (Naimushō Eiseikyoku 2008 [1922]) tells that Japanese health authorities had learnt by autumn 1918 how Western nations had responded to the pandemic, including mask-wearing in San Francisco and other cities. In February 1919, according to the report, the National Public Health Bureau instructed local authorities to encourage people to wears masks in places where flu patients were admitted and other places with a high risk of infection. This was followed by more detailed guidelines, which added mask-wearing in crowds, on trains, and on trams. Notably, mask-wearing was recommended to healthy people, but not to flu patients. Meanwhile, those who were coughing and sneezing were told to cover their noses and mouths with handkerchiefs or tenugui (literally, hand clothes), but not by masks. In October 1919, local authorities were instructed to provide free masks to those who could not afford them. Theatres, cinemas, and buses were added to the list of the places where masks should be worn.
>In contrast to the American “Mask Order,” mask-wearing in Japan was well received by the public. The post-pandemic report Ryūkōsei Kanbō (Naimushō Eiseikyoku 2008 [1922]) indicates high level of mask-wearing in Japan. In Fukui Prefecture in 1920, for example, it was estimated, according to information obtained from 14 police stations, that some 80 per cent of all households were using masksetc. etc. But my point is not to argue effectiveness at slowing the spread of flu germs alongside other preventative measures, but to prove that Japanese have been wearing them for various reasons for ages before CoVid. I've known about it myself since the early 2010s, I can even ask my partner and inlaws about it, but i'd rather not devolve into "trust me bro, so-and-such person from (whatever demographic) said (x thing) which proves my point" since that wouldn't be very helpful or convincing.
https://www.japanesestudies.org.uk/ejcjs/vol14/iss2/horii.html No. 2472337
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>>2472306There is plenty of real science showing that masks are not effective for stopping flu anon, we don't have to rely on anecdata like
>San Francisco, for example, achieved a sharp decline of new flu cases after the enforcement…since flu and other viruses decline naturally after they peak. You can find plenty of articles from the time both arguing the masks didn't (and couldn't possibly, physically) do shit (which remains true and known by fluid physicists and OSHA people today) and talking about how unpopular the mask mandate was in San Francisco at the time. It is interesting that the article mentions a 'sense of control' though since this was often cited by public health authorities pushing mask-wearing in 2020 as a good reason to implement masks. Like some anons said above, the mask mandates were about a 'sense of control' rather than about stopping COVID transmission, which they already knew wouldn't work. If you're interested you can let me know and I can dig up some sources about this but if not I won't bother. There's another quote about this later in the article:
>‘Risk ritual’ also constructs the same double meaning. The term indicates apparent ‘irrationality’ of risk discourse in the clinical context in which a probabilistic talk would not increasing the chance of avoiding illness (Crawford 2004), and various apparent risk avoidance behaviours, which do not reduce actual risks they are associated (Moore and Burgess 2011). At the same time, ‘risk ritual’ articulates the behavioural adaptation to “a pervasive sense of uncertainty” and “a collective sense of disempowerment” (Moore and Burgess 2011: 119), in which “[o]ne must acts as if one is in control” (Crawford 2004: 523).
>post-pandemic report Ryūkōsei Kanbō (Naimushō Eiseikyoku 2008 [1922]) indicates high level of mask-wearing in Japan. In Fukui Prefecture in 1920, for example, it was estimated, according to information obtained from 14 police stations, that some 80 per cent of all households were using masksThis was during the 1918 influenza specifically, not generally in the last 100 years. Your article does suggest that
>between 22.8 per cent (Interwired 2009) and 48.7 per cent (Hakugen 2010) of respondents wore masks as a protection against influenzabut does not actually suggest that mask-wearing (for everyone) was widespread throughout flu season. It specifically says that
>Another survey published in 2009 showed that about three out of four respondents were willing to wear masks when suffering from a cough (what the article doesn't mention was that this study was conducted by a mask manufacturer, Unicharm). >The term “cough manner,” which was mentioned earlier, had originally appeared as “cough etiquette” (seki echiketto) in PIEAC’s minutes in 2006, as well as in the Japanese version of the government’s influenza guidelines. In the popular media discourse, when the term appeared in March 2007, it did not initially mean wearing masks, but covering your nose and mouth with tissue paper or handkerchiefs, when coughing or sneezing. Masks, however, became included in the term in October 2007. Thereafter, “cough etiquette” became almost equal to mask-wearing by those coughing and sneezing. so not like during COVID where throughout the entire 'COVID season' everyone was wearing masks whether sick or not, the article only states that people 'were willing to wear them' when they themselves actively were sick, which goes back to the politeness point me and other nonnas made. This tracks with what I myself have heard from Japanese immigrant friends who said that people who were actively sick or had allergies would wear masks on the train etc. or at work but that it was at most 1/10 or 1/20 people at any given time, not a majority of society every flu season. And Japan is actually fairly unique in this; my Chinese and Korean friends said it was far less common for sick people than in Japan. I also followed the links for the 2 cited surveys claiming high prevalence of mask wearing and both led to 404 not found pages, so I'm guessing these were small news surveys at best (one was by a mask manufacturer on their product website); I can't even confirm that the cited surveys ever existed.
Another quote from the article suggests that even in situations where everyone was encouraged to wear masks, many people refused and they wore masks selectively:
>Masks were distributed at the shelters and everyone was encouraged to wear one, but while some women would wear one while preparing rice balls, others would not. The same women also would not always wear a mask when they were cooking. The priest told me to wear a mask when I went out to walk around town because of the dust, though he himself never wore one.>The lack of clearly targeting and systematic usage suggests that the mask-wearing is practiced in an individualistic manner, not necessarily constructing a rigid collective norm around the practice, while it is “socially embedded as a general protective practice” (Burgess and Horii 2012: 1184)At another point, the article states that mask-wearing re-emerged in the 80s due to the high number of people wearing them for hay fever, and, interestingly, this correlated to antivax sentiment:
>In the 1980s, when the hay fever mask became common in Japanese society, flu masks gradually reappeared. This comeback was triggered by the heightened anxieties over flu vaccination. Under the banner of “social protection,” the public health authority tried to control influenza by preventing its spread in schools at first. “However, in the late 1980s, questions about this policy and vaccine’s efficacy arose, and a campaign against vaccination began” >The decline of flu vaccinations directed people to masks again, in the hope of protection against influenza. This is neither here nor there but I find this line from the intro of your article very interesting:
>Furthermore, in the 2000s, the discourse around the practice of mask-wearing has been loaded by neoliberal ideology, which increasingly transfers responsibilities for managing health risks from the state to individuals. Mask-wearing has increasingly become its embodiment. >In this context, mask-wearing has become “a disciplinary device in neoliberal politics” (Manzenreiter 2012: 81), which emphasises the responsibility of the individual for one’s health.Presented without comment.
Picrel is a photo of a Tokyo train station on Dec 22, 2010. Note how many masks.
No. 2472348
>>2472013>>2472107I can’t lucid dream at all. I’ve heard of people trying to read stuff on their dreams to
trigger lucid dreaming cause reading or looking at your phone are usually not possible for most people in dreams (they can’t find their phones or anything written looks like gibberish) but I check my phone and read stuff ALL THE TIME in dreams. I’ve had dreams of sitting down and reading Wikipedia articles.
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>>2472347Samefag, another pic of right outside Shinjuku station late Oct 2010. I'll stop now but I'll believe the actual photos and video footage and people who lived there over a survey done by a mask production company.
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>>2472347that didn't take very long and there are three people wearing masks in
>>2472352 No. 2472383
>>2472359Wow, one (in a video of thousands of people) and three (? I only see two), out of hundreds! Extremely widespread mask-wearing indeed! I am convinced that everyone wore masks during flu season in Japan now.
>>2472362kek this is because flu was replaced by COVID. Flu virions are a similar size to COVID virions so if masks were responsible for this there wouldn't have been COVID either. That's also anecdata btw, again I offered to show you real science if you're interested.
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Can we get a Covid/pandemic/mask skepticism thread? cause this is specifically so fucking boring. I fucking hate this dumbass back and forth. And idk if it should even count as tinfoil since both sides have scientific studies and that’s what’s being discussed moreso than any tinfoil aspects to the pandemic. Grrrr stop being so boring there’s so much stuff to tinfoil about that ISNT COVID AND MASKS AND VACCINES
No. 2472395
>>2472383you literally
dared to find one person with a mask and he appeared as soon as the video switched from the shitty cctv footage kek
No. 2472404
>>2472392You can just make a comment about what you want to talk about, anon. Personally I don't think alchemy, lucid dreaming or archons really count as 'tinfoils' as I understand them and lots of people think COVID vax shit is a 'conspiracy theory' (most of the shit people call conspiracy theories has actual evidence behind it) but the thread was dominated by archons, spirituality and gods discussions for weeks. Let people talk about the tinfoils they want to talk about and post about the ones you want to talk about. Anons could just as easily ask for a 'spirituality and gnosticism' thread but it all gets posted here. Actually if we can't talk about the conspiracy where almost all the world's economies were effectively shut down and subjected to authoritarianism by almost every single world government (almost like it was a… one world government decree) and some 6-7 billion people were coerced into getting a novel gene therapy injected into them, idk what even the point would be of pretending this is a thread about conspiracies. The biggest, most widespread and significant conspiracy in a century just happened and it's 'too boring'?
>>2472395Yeah the one person wearing a mask isn't indicative of some society-wide norm that everyone was participating in. I hate to tell you that's not what 'a majority or large minority' means. No one at any point in the thread denied that occasionally a singular Asian person would wear a mask pre-2020.
No. 2472434
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>>2472426Uh it literally definitionally is. All you have to do to see that this was commonly accepted fact until the 2020 propaganda push is to adjust your slider on a pubmed search to before 2020. Picrel.
No. 2472435
>>2472426… The mRNA part.
>>2472392I wouldn't mind more of a mix of topics. Honestly. I feel like the covid stuff just gets so heated. If there were a thread only for that, it would just be another unpopular opinions thread, ie infight central
No. 2472436
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>>2472434Samefag here's another one
No. 2472444
>>2472435There's been a wide mix of topics on this thread anon, the COVID thing just came up last weeks after months of people talking about other things. 'It gets heated' seems like a weird excuse not to talk about a conspiracy in the conspiracy thread. I wouldn't mind if there were more specific threads for specific things but there used to be a COVID thread where discussion of vaccines and similar was banned and people were directed to this thread instead so farmhands clearly prefer for the discussion to happen here. People will argue 'it doesn't belong in the thread' no matter what people discuss in this thread because it seems like such a wide range of topics is discussed here from like random philosophical gnosticism talk to glowy stuff to COVID to sexism. But I guess people with an issue should post in /meta/ since the thread OP just says
>Do you have somewhat schizophrenic beliefs that worry your friends and family? Tired of getting red-texted for "tinfoiling" about recent events around the globe? If so, you've come to the right place.>Discussions surrounding government cover-ups, entertainment industry secrets, odd predictions, political intrigues, etc., are all welcome here.Personally I think the COVID shit is a proven conspiracy and less 'conspiracy theorish' than half the stuff talked about in random /ot/ country and politics threads, not a 'conspiracy theory' at all but I'm sure a lot of people in other threads would disagree with me, so…
No. 2473385
>>2473184Wow that's scary. I only had one dream like that when I had a high stress job. I kept waking up to do a task, but I was actually dreaming doing the task. When I finally woke up for real, it was very strange.
I just had a dream where I saw my phone. I was trying to turn on my VPN, but I couldn't make sense of my phone's lockscreen. I've only recently been seeing my phone in my dreams… how odd.
No. 2475440
>>2473385My phone always upgrades to whatever type of phone I have currently for the most part, so I’ve dreamed of using my phone since I had a moto rzr flip phone kek. Nowadays I often dream I’m locked out of my phone or it just isn’t fucking working when I try to use it, like it’s got insane lag. Don’t have that issue when using a desktop pc in my dreams though, which, desktops and consoles and TVs have figured prominently in my dreams and since childhood since we’ve always had such things.
The scariest thing to experience in dreams are smells imo. Doesn’t anyone else have smells feature in their dreams? Even if it’s a good smell and a good dream, it’s always offputting. And yet I still can’t fucking lucid dream. My dreams basically non linear improvised narratives that I have seemingly no conscious control over. My friend has fantastical dreams as well and the only times she’s been able to sort of lucid dream, she was like “oh hey I’m dreaming!” - all the characters in her dream world turn evil and start screaming SHUT IT DOWN! SHUT IT DOWN! until she wakes up. She’s also read stuff in her dreams.
>>2473184I don’t have episodes like that but I have very realistic dreams to the point I often confuse things that happen in my dreams to things that have really happened. Sometimes it’s goofy though. Like when I dreamed I saw a Taco Bell commercial announcing that the Quesalupa was back. I told my friend that day that I’d seen an ad about the quesalupa being back and got a call later and he was like “did you really see a commercial about the quesalupa? Cause I just got done at the third Taco Bell and none of them have it” and I was like oh shit maybe I dreamed it. And I had. They did eventually bring the quesalupa back but it wasn’t until a couple years after my dream about it being back.
No. 2475973
>>2472348You can just use your hands. During the day you sometime look at your hands and count your fingers. When yu make that a habit, then it starts to happen in your dreams too and in a dream you always have more fingers than normal and so you know it's a dream. I don't think i ever dreamt abnout my pohne that's interresting that you do.
>>2472440That's great you should work on it.
>>2475440I very rarely have dreams with smells but it's usually a good smell when i'm hugging someone i like or something like that
No. 2478464
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I think a lot of alternative bands in the 90s were set up in the same way boy bands are and didn't actually write any of their own music. Whoever did probably died in 1998 or 1999. The only thing more difficult than returning to the moon seems to be creating a song that is "good" (or even worth listening to) for most of these "artists". Every year I work at my art (that I create myself) I get better, not worse
No. 2478664
>>2465461,
>>2459440, and others who are experiencing 'synchronicities' gangstalking, voices.
please research psychosis
No. 2479634
>>2479527Also NTA but yeah the yt algo will literally just feed you the shit that contact in your phone you whatsapp a lot was recently watching, also it's tracking your internet activity (I also think devices with voice recognition enabled actually do use it for algos and ads even when they claim not to - I once saw a company logo on a t-shirt with my friends while we were on a forest hike with no cell signal and we discussed what the company was, when we got back home we all got spammed with ads for the company even though we'd never heard of it before and it wasn't relevant to any of our jobs or interests which I think has to be due to the microphone 'listening' and logging conversations or keywords from conversations.
>he took advantage of the high trust and low expectations women temporarily had in moids when it comes to their devices and pw privacy, until they do something like this. I probably can't find it anymore because I read the article years ago, but there was an article about the ethics of an app some company had developed for men to install in their wife's phone. Basically it was some kind of virus link that the moid would text his "wife" (or whoever) disguised as an innocuous meme, would secretly install on the phone and then would run psyops on the wife to try to get her to want more sex through various 'behavioral nudge' strategies. It doesn't sound like it should even be legal but apparently it was legal and a lot of people were using it.
No. 2479649
>>2479641I just spent like 5 minutes trying to find the article I originally read and I can't find it, it seems like its existence has been totally wiped from Google. But I know I wasn't imagining it because I sent it to multiple people to discuss and one of the people interviewed for the article was my close friend's coworker. I just asked someone I discussed it with before if they remember the article and they do so it definitely happened. Maybe they got in legal trouble and wiped all the webpages/press articles about it?
If you're asking what the behavioural nudges actually were, iirc it worked through hijacking some of your ad space (I think it was partially developed by a major big 3 tech company, which is why my friend's coworker was interviewed for the article because they worked there) and replacing a few of your 'normal' ads with libido-enhancement nudges, like things that would make you think about sex repeatedly through the day and ramp up in the evening. There might have also been some element of stuff that promoted having more sex as normal or good for your health or something. I sound schizo but it wasn't like porn or anything, more like sneaky little things about how 'the key to a happy relationship is good sex' nudges and so on.
No. 2479653
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>>2479651Was it "pegasus"? Moids are super into this kind of thing now bc they psy-opped themselves into bambi hypno and believe they can do the same to women. I'm sure they caused their wives to masturbate more to other men, since their efforts to avoid confronting the truth about things and creating an entertaining diversion always fail in hilarious and ironic ways
No. 2480169
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Flu vaccines don't seem to work well. I'm glad I've never gotten one.
No. 2481300
>>2480990This isn't a rightoid psyop (there's a lot of people who think this) and in my country I know more right-wingers and conservatives who refuse to vote because of hating our options for right wing parties than leftists. It's an international elite psyop to maintain the globalist status quo, which is represented usually by both (or all 3-4) of the major parties in any given country. The only reason Trump had so much effective grassroots support last election was because he effectively is (or is perceived as) a third party, as
>>2481036 pointed out. He had 'big tent' and/or 'protest vote' appeal; if you look at historical voting trends republicans almost always had fewer voters overall for the past half-century or so even though general sentiment in America hasn't skewed pro-Democrat consistently.
People also refuse to vote in countries with more than two parties (Canada, for example, has much lower voter turnout than the US, and even Australia in which it is illegal not to vote still has non-voters and many ballot spoilers). If what you were saying were true it shouldn't happen in countries with more parties where coalitions can be formed but it does because even in those countries people feel like they have no real political options and not voting is a protest against that.
>we're too hopeless to care or think we can make any difference That's not what people who refuse to vote necessarily think, though. For a lot of non-voters it's a question of principle/morality. They don't want to actively vote for a party they don't agree with. Anyway if globalists stopped ensuring that every party on the ballot is almost the exact same party you'd get higher voter turnout. That's why you saw such unusually high voter turnout for Trump, including from a lot of registered Democrats/former Democrat voters - it's because he appeared to be an anti-establishment option that was actually listening to voters about what they wanted. The idea that just adding another party or two will suddenly make your political system work is ridiculously naive.
At any rate Americans imagining themselves to be in a 'fascist autocracy' and a-bloo-blooing about it will never not be both hilarious and embarrassing. Imagine living in the country that almost everyone in the world wants to move to and thinking you're, like, literally Nazi Germany.
No. 2481314
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>married women who got their right to vote taken away
>Martial law will be declared on 4/20
>Recession
>But but Kamalas campaign was mid!!!
>And her laugh was weird
Hope "Kamalas campaign was terrible" was worth starving and becoming homeless you stupid fucks(wrong thread)
No. 2481419
>>2481314>Posting in the tinfoil thread>Hasn't even realized the recession started several years ago under bidenThis post belongs in whatever thread serves as the anti-tinfoil thread, the 'I believe everything the media tells me' thread perhaps?
>>2481325Yes, Trump is not as anti-establishment as he's presented himself (although large numbers of other Republicans hating him suggests he's at least a semi-outsider for real) but his election (twice now) is still indicative of the fact that voters will turn out in surprising numbers for what they perceive as a third option if that option isn't just a same-samey variant of the other two. One of the biggest gripes 2016 MAGAtards had with Trump's first term was that it was too RINO-aligned and he overpromised/underdelivered. Voter apathy isn't a psyop of any particular party, it's a reaction to the global elite psyop of having every party in their pockets doing identical things. Even Bernie Bros in 2016 didn't stay home because they were apathetic, they stayed home as a fuck you to the betrayal of the DNC railroading their preferred non-establishment candidate.
>>2481360Even Obama apparently was fighting against making Kamala the candidate, it's absolute retardation to pretend her campaign was 'mid' when even other Democratic politicians were panicking at her total retardation. The problem is that none of the parties will voluntarily offer up 'good' candidates because a prerequisite to get any power in the political system is being in the pockets of the system in the first place. They're dead-set on denying voters any access to viable options, that's the whole grift.
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No. 2483648
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>>2483637Paheal has nothing about the videogame Descent. I find this surprising
No. 2486739
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https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/39691656/Apparently they're casually dropping the fact masks were ineffective and caused more harm?
No. 2488414
I miss /x/ humor threads, the rest of the board was 99,99% trash
>>2486752Watch
JFK Revisited: Through the Looking Glass (2021), it's a nice piece of the puzzle. Also, JFK was against making war with Vietnam, mind you that they used that "war" to introduce a lot of heroin to the US. Most vets had in fact not only PTSD but also abstinence syndrome.
No. 2488620
>>2417011i suspect it's to aide somehow in the formation of graphene oxide based self assembling nanotech (nanotech made from GO that assembles when exposed to certain EM frequencies or UV light)
like fucking….wires
No. 2488891
>>2486739How is this a conspiracy? This is a well known fact and has been forever. All you had to do was read any science paper or evidence based medicine article about it, or even OSHA guidelines. When COVID started even like The Atlantic and NYT were writing about how masks are pointless, the only conspiracy here is why they wanted to push them on people so hard in the first place but if you knew where to look they were pretty open about that too (behavioral modification).
>>2487684If you have a bad cold even for a short time you're better off coughing/sneezing into your elbow or into a tissue/handkerchief than hoarding your snot in front of your face and pushing it out into the atmosphere every time you breathe. Above all they're just disgusting, we already had more sanitary cough etiquette before that didn't require trapping phlegm right next to your own face.
>>2487979I know a musician who I used to be a fan of and met in person several times who is one of these zero COVID lunatics, I still follow him on social media just to see how long he will continue sperging 10x a day about how we 'must stop the virus!' He's completely tanked his own career by refusing to play concerts or, if he plays them, forcing people to COVID test and mask and provide proof of vaccination before coming to his shows so they keep getting canceled because no one shows up. He also went from making genuinely funny political and historical satire songs to putting out an entire unfunny pearl-clutching self-serious album about 'the virus' lmao.
>the "pro science" crowd screamed and ignored doctors and scientistsAs a scientist I noticed this from the very beginning lmao, I was trying to inject some sanity into discussions right from the start of the COVID fiasco and the number of people with a high school education or like fine arts bachelor degree absolutely flipping their lids at me for talking about scientific reality was truly startling. If you asked them 'so why not believe this scientist with a nobel prize and 200 published articles?' they'd just say 'because I know better! I know which scientists to trust because they say rightthink!'
>>2488620Interesting theory nonna but it's more likely we have microplastics everywhere because greedy fuckers want to pinch pennies and make everything cheap and convenient for themselves at risk of poisoning everyone else. Same reason Teflon and whatever continue to be widely used for shit like frying pans even though a stainless steel pan is actually cheaper and easier, it's profitable.
No. 2488914
>>2488909Idk why that is funny? A lot of people didn't want anything to do with the academia shitshow after that and I think it's more sad than anything since they managed to drive out a lot of the people with the right kind of brains/disposition for science aka curious and questioning people actually interested in sticking their necks out and being OK with potentially being proven wrong.
>>2488912They're going OK I guess, don't have a clear life plan now but it's a weight off my back not feeling stifled by being constantly surrounded by conformist retards. The distant dream of becoming a tenured prof is kind of a dying dream anyway considering they're phasing tenure out (too costly and too hard to control the narrative!) so it's probably better for my long term prospects.
No. 2488976
>>2488967Yeah I know, and in fact many studies have been published by mainstream 'reputable' journals, the problem is when they get too much attention or get flagged for wrongthink there is now a new practice of them being taken down or retracted without explanation. One of the issues with the new public peer review/arxiv type initiatives (I know arxiv also flags and takes down wrongthink but to a lesser degree probably) or 'independent journals' is that science papers barely get read by anyone as it is, and journal h factor is one of the main indicators whether papers are likely to be read (let alone cited) at all. Another, even bigger problem is that conducting science well is hideously expensive and grant funding increasingly depends upon staying on the right side of the right people. For a mathematician or some other kind of theoretical scientist (say a meta-analysis etc.) this might not be a huge problem if enough people are willing to put their free time into working on it and who have reliable datasets (there are other issues with this like corrupted databases which a lot of scientists who tried to crunch government numbers on COVID have written at length about) but if you're trying to do experimental research in a biomedical field you need labs, millions of dollars of sophisticated equipment, ethics approvals, etc. For clinical research you pretty much always need access to clinic/hospital populations and doctors, which requires pre-approval and rigorous ethics approvals, and if it's drug research it also requires access to the drugs themselves which can be limited by the companies that produce the drugs. I'd like to be optimistic about independent science but there are so many factors contributing to the maintenance of the ivory tower status quo that most people who get in will have no desire to ever get out unless they have some kind of corporate backing, which brings its own problems.
No. 2489880
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The 9/11 rabbithole never gets old for me.
You start off thinking 'Huh, that's weird but maybe there's an innocent explanation' then 1000 coincidences later you're like 'Yeah ain't no fucking way.'
No. 2489908
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>>2489880Ziad Jarrah is the most mysterious terrorist to me. He was the only one with Lebanese nationality. He spoke Arabic, Hebrew, German and English. His family and gf and people who worked with/met him claimed he was extremely normal, a nice person, and didn't show any extremist tendencies. He was raised secular and drank alcohol. He is the only one who didn't hit the intended target. It's never been confirmed if his plane was shot down or if it really just crashed. He did not live with the other terrorists. German authorities couldn't find any evidence that he was part of the 'Hamburg terror cell.' The audio of flight 93 is very strange. His cousin Ali Jarrah was arrested and jailed a few years after 9/11 for being a Mossad spy/double agent. His burned passport with picture and full name still visible was found at the wreckage site.
No. 2489925
>>2489896I think it happened, probably an explosion, but was planned. the new world order stuff checks out because stuff people were fear mongering about in 2001, early 2002 around me started happening around 2020 and even now.
>>2489891I feel like the videos of the plane hitting are fake, it almost like disappeared when it "hits". And news banners conveniently covering it too
No. 2489982
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>>2489890AYRT and I agree, I think the planes were completely fake PS1 tier visual projections and the entire event was a controlled demolition. You can see the 'planes' glitching from multiple angles in multiple videos.
ACE elevator company had just finished renovating the towers entire lift system, which would have given workers direct access to the core of the buildings. Hundreds of witnesses including firefighters confirmed hearing multiple huge explosions before the towers fell.
No. 2489992
>>24899829/11 is
sus but I think that's just the shitty 2000's camera and lighting.
No. 2489996
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I also believe the 'hippie group' Gelitin/B-Thing/E-Team were all undercover federal agents posing as artists. Even their names are obvious references to Bomb, Explosion, and the explosive Gelignite which is a sticky bomb in controlled demolitions of buildings.
They were given full access to floor 91, which was unfinished and covered in electrical wires, exposed beams, unfinished walls, etc etc. They covered their 'work space' from floor to ceiling with cardboard boxes, of which they gave no explanation as to where they obtained them and removed window panes, even utilising a helicopter at one point to photograph people standing on the ledge. All of the boxes were marked BB 18 which is a type of fuse holder. They did these 'art exhibitions' in BOTH TOWERS. People who had their picture taken on the ledge and asked for their photos were refused by the group. The group's portfolio archives included sketches of the twin towers with people falling out of the windows while screaming, calling these falls 'seconds of pure pleasure'.
No. 2490004
>>2489999I mean, I buy it.
The CIA is known for falseflag operations and not really minding civil casualities so that would track.
No. 2490008
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>>2489997First image that comes up on google is their checkered floor which is an obvious Masonic symbol and a reference to Solomon's temple/controlling both sides.
No. 2490024
>>2489982I have also heard the witness accounts of hearing explosions beforehand and agree that (and many other things about the event) are suspicious but the video you posted doesn't look suspicious, the wing blends in because it's the same color as the wall. The person who made the video deliberately posterized thought they were being so smart by pixelating it to hell and back and then pretending the wing is glitching.
>>2489996Never heard of this group before, do you have any sources about them?
>portfolio archives included sketches of the twin towers with people falling out of the windows while screaming, calling these falls 'seconds of pure pleasure'.Wtf.
No. 2491146
>>2490648I still wanna hear what you have. I know a lot of stuff has been deleted and surpressed but i love hearing theories and proof
>>2489996Are these the israeli art students
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>>2491146No the Israeli art students were supposedly a different bunch who got accidentally busted by the FBI. The dancing Israelis who had the Urban Moving Systems van. Gelatin were supposedly Austrian well maybe it's just me but they look like typical Ashkenazi IDF moids.
No. 2491457
Their works include
Vorm - Fellows - Attitude (2018) at the Museum Boijmans Van Beuningen, Rotterdam, The Netherlands: giant sculptures of feces, with visitors encouraged to put on costumes representing nude men and women[7]
Die Wachauer Nase (2014), a giant nose on the bank of the Danube River, in St. Lorenz (Rossatz-Arnsdorf), Wachau, Austria[9]
Zapf de Pipi (2005), a giant icicle of frozen urine as contributed by the visitors at the Moscow Biennale of Contemporary Art[14]
Arc de Triomphe (2003), a 7-metre (23 ft) tall fountain picturing a urinating figure made of 2,000 kilograms (4,400 lb) of plasticine, in Salzburg, Austria
Armpit (2002), a human elevator of body builders for the Liverpool Biennial
Schlund (2001), a human scaffolding of fat people at the Bavarian Theatre, Munich, Germany
The B-Thing (2000), a small temporary external balcony outside the 91st floor of the World Trade Center[15]
Can we talk about how male artists are a psyop?
99% of them are talentless ugly faggots with a shit/piss/necrophilia fetish.
No. 2491464
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Personally I don't buy too much into the Israel thing.
I actually think Israel may have encouraged the 'Israel did 9/11' conspiracy theory to make themselves look more powerful than they really are. They certainly have revelled in their fearsome/loathsome reputation for being ruthless when it comes to killing their enemies and seem to enjoy the publicity and encourage it for instance surrounding the pagers incident (for the record I don't care about Hamas scrotes getting their dicks blown off, it's just concerning when any government body interferes with personal electronic devices). This certainly doesn't help their case for shirking involvement but it's not proof either. To be honest nobody really cared or talked about Israel prior to 2001. Maybe it was a PR stunt to assure themselves as a global dominant power.
No. 2491486
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>>2491457>Can we talk about how male artists are a psyop? 99% of them are talentless ugly faggots with a shit/piss/necrophilia fetish.We could make a whole tinfoil thread about this alone, especially since I actually know plenty of male artists who aren't like this and make perfectly normal, aesthetically pleasing art. But somehow the ones who get famous in the last century or so are almost always these 'political' or 'thought provoking' artists where by political or thought provoking they mean openly displaying fetishes and 'challenging' people by being degenerate and creepy. If it's not some kind of piss/shit fetish or pedophilia/torture content it's something that's supposed to be 'political' by just invoking really creepy dark shit like those denver airport murals. That statue outside the BBC offices they just spent like a million dollars restoring that was made by a pedophile (picrel) keeps being defended because 'separate the art from the artist!' and 'he's part of an important artistic legacy!' but the statue itself is obviously pedophilic; you would think that even if you didn't know the sculptor was a pedo. Why does that need to be on the BBC offices exactly?
It's often the same with other types of non-visual art too, moids somehow popularized so many musical styles that are basically a navel gazing exercise in ugliness and creepiness and people (especially women) are laughed at and considered deeply uncool and uncultured if we don't prefer noise music or math rock or whatever to nice, melodic music like indie pop or jazz. So much theater written by moids is also deliberately creepy and boundary-breaking (not in a good or original way, just a making-the-audience-uncomfortable way). I actually think this has to be a deliberate psyop because a lot of the art that gets pushed as 'good' isn't actually reflective of what the population tends to like, and since art is funded largely by grants and private investors it's really easy to just starve normal artists creating beautiful things out of their careers while the other kind of art has money thrown at it and is actively promoted. As someone who has gone through the process of applying for and receiving public art grants myself, and who's acquainted with other people who have or are on the granting committees themselves, they absolutely prioritize degenerate and weird shit as a matter of policy, will give money preferentially to troons or people creating explicitly 'political' art that undermines norms of beauty and social cohesion, etc. You'll have grant committees send you back feedback on your work where they're basically like 'it's technically excellent, pleasant and beautiful but you can't explain why this is groundbreaking or politically relevant.' Yeah no shit it's not meant to be, it's an instrumental music piece or a love poem or whatever. And then you'll see the thing that actually got funded and it's some poetry collection with low quality writing about a moid masturbating into his sister's panties, or some guy in his basement who can't sing making noise music wailing about baphomet. My friend who worked on a federally funded music grant committee (that's supposed to be promoting art from our country) for a half decade told me that they were supposed to tell people externally the grants are 'meritocratic' but internally they were told to deprioritize music made by women, and prioritize music made by troons or in foreign languages/attacking and criticizing our own culture. Apparently they talked about how it's hard to give grants to female-led projects because they tend to be too focused on making 'pretty' and technically skilled music, which isn't considered 'diverse' enough.
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>>2491486i’ve noticed that in general, art has gotten so much uglier and has genuinely regressed. the west (and the rest of the world) used to have beautiful art movements. the harlem renaissance, art noveau etc. even mainstream media was much more palatable in a lot of ways. some of the statues i’ve seen in my city and others all across the world online have been vile to say the least. picrel is a statue commemorating mlk in boston. like what the fuck?
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>>2491578Actually, I think modern art is going to have a comeback due to AI. Skill and technique mean nothing when an AI can reproduce it, and when it comes to modern art it is the intention, the physical presentation, and the unorthodox way of producing it that takes center stage.
That being said I'm no art student, but taking your pic as an example, it's meant to be a reference to a photo where MLK hugged his wife. It's both their arms together. It was not well thought out, obviously, but it does show that the intention is kind of necessary, and that's something AI cannot reproduce.
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>>2491486>The ones who get famous in the last century or so are almost always these 'political' or 'thought provoking' artists where by political or thought provoking they mean openly displaying fetishesThis is not new, unfortunately. Robert Crumb created an 'autobiographical' comic in the 80s where he got a woman drunk enough to rape her. Crumb is hailed as this subversive artist, and he's openly degenerate even by today's standards
No. 2491727
>>2491680Yeah that's why I said the last century or so… it was already in full swing by the 1980s but especially with some of the visual arts and writing I think it happened much earlier than that, like in the early-mid 1900s. The comic in your picrel is a particularly horrifying and egregious example but in some ways is a little less insidious I think because no one would really call that high art, but I'm even more concerned by some of the things that are considered high art and 'superior' to lowbrow art styles.
>>2491599This is what people always say whenever you question why art has gone in this direction but it doesn't really explain the phenomenon. Modern art may be about novelty but there's no real reason that modern art should be pushed over and above other art styles - in fact, having far less mass appeal it should theoretically be pushed and funded less as a cultural product, but it's not. It's not like classical styles of representative art only existed to show people things or immortalize specific people's visages like photography mainly does, and it's not like the only sculptures you can make in classical styles are random moids on horseback. The academy justified its existence just fine for hundreds or thousands of years without being viewed as unpalatable, subversive, or alienating to the masses - in fact some of the best funded art pieces in history were funded essentially to be enjoyed by the public and weren't just private collector commissions. People used to cheer and riot at Liszt concerts and many classical music concerts before that. The Granada cathedral was there for people to go meet and pray in. Frescoes and murals going back to Ancient Greece weren't just private art pieces meant to alienate the public either, even if there were also private collector pieces too. I especially brought up music because it was always a medium for mass enjoyment and participation, meant to bring people together and have them socialize, and it's a pretty new ideal to have music be considered 'good' and 'artistic' only if very few people genuinely enjoy or even understand it. It feels like an infiltration of moid degeneracy and an assault on social cohesion which is in fact probably the most concerning thing about it - the values you described of things having to be boundary-pushing and inaccessible to the public IS the problem. If you really wanted art to be inaccessible to produce you would go back to classical painting and sculpture since they are harder to learn, so that can't be the main reason.
No. 2492215
>>2478464If it is an individual that wrote most of the good songs in the early 90s that person stopped or died earlier, around 1996. That's when 'alternative' become terrible with boring music and strangely ugly fat faced front men.
If that's the case the only true talented writer was Billy Corgan from Smashing Pumpkins.
There are a few other genuine talented writers/musicians like Stone Gossard and Jeff Ament that got pushed out of writing most of the music for Pearl Jam maybe deliberately so the quality of rock music could go down.
No. 2494379
>>2493847Very interesting, thanks very much. I’m one of the nonnies who asked you to post. I’m personally very suspicious of taking things like SSRIs, zofran, unisom, etc during pregnancy. I was lucky enough to never have morning sickness so it was never a problem, but my OB prescribed it for me without me even asking, and I found that very weird. I never took it. I also had randos in my bumper group push unisom heavily, which made me suspicious of it. Lots of the women— assuming they’re not bots— in my bumper group are on SSRIs or something similar. Many of them claim to have autism and adhd.
Frankly I don’t think HFA and LFA have anything in common and HFA is just oversocialization, but people don’t like that because it hecking invalidates their identity as sped.
No. 2494401
>>2494379I never took unsiom (?) but I took zofran for like a day before I realized it did nothing for me. My second pregnancy was hell, hyperemesis, severe depression, tachycardia, migraines. I was in the ER at least once a week getting fluids or migraine meds or something
also had Chlamydia from SAThat being said I was blown off by my obgyn left and right and just thrown SSRIs and zofran. I had to beg for extra ultrasounds because I knew something was wrong and nothing happened. Turns out the baby had growth problems and a hole in their heart which could've easily been treated better if they would've paid half a mind to me for five minutes. I damn near died multiple times throughout this whole thing including birth. Obgyn care has truly regressed in the worst ways possible in America
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Does anybody know information about the background of Nancy Brown?
If she is american or not, if she was involved with Big Pharma or Big food, if she was involved in lobbying, or why was the AHS opposed to the bill that wanted to ban people from spending their food stamps on products high in carbohidrates and sugar.
(I'm not american I'm just interested to find out more on this subject), I didn't have any luck searching on google or youtube, any links would be appreciated
No. 2495675
>>2432980Sage for necro but they are very much real,
nonny. Since last year, the police of my country had been dismantling groups on Discord ran by incels who did air lives torturing animals and killing. homeless people and you had to pay to watch those. Discord is very mainstream and easy to access. If anything, I would guess that those were much more abundant in past, when
victim identification was harder and DNA tests didn't exist. Same with the recording of other horrifying crimes
No. 2496356
>>2493807I actually don't really believe this will happen because it seems like there has finally been an inflection point and there is some mainstream pushback to trans rights activism but to some degree what you're describing is already true, and I think it will take a long time to fully walk it back even if it does get walked back (which I think it probably will). It might be like 10-15 more years before we get back to what we had in the 90s-2000s in terms of women's rights.
>>2493847Not one of the anons who asked you about this in the other thread but I'm intrigued by this as well as hypotheses that ASD could be caused by fetal/early life brain stem injury. Some of the symptoms (especially the gastric and other physiological symptoms) seem in line with something like brain injury or post-encephalitis symptoms so I definitely think it's plausible that increased medication of pregnant women could be leading to brain defects in the form of ASD especially, it's such a big basket of symptoms too. PPIs and SSRIs are given unnecessarily to so many people and wrongly considered harmless by the medical community so that wouldn't surprise me at all, and yes people do start foaming at the mouth if autism is ever suggested to be epigenetic even but I don't think that's a good reason not to look into the huge increase.
No. 2499335
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6140832/So let me get this straight
>Raw milk has had way less illnesses and deaths than normal milk, even when including how many people drink what>It helps prevent asthma >Contains more nutrition >Raw milk farmers are typically much cleaner, and go through much stricter tests especially since now they cut the FDA milk testing… And Americans are still at each other's throats about raw milk?
No. 2499360
>>2499335The part of my family that are still farmers primarily sell raw milk and were aggressively hounded for this once our country joined the EU. As other anons said the issue with raw milk is usually distribution and ironically prior to the EU regulations they had very consistently profitable same-day distribution channels in their local area, while after EU regulations they were pretty much pressured/forced to sell to international buyers and thus pasteurize if they wanted to sell in conventional stores. I agree that people should be careful with raw milk but a lot of what happened to the milk industry was essentially deliberate, imo - plenty of people were able to get fresh milk easily before and are now no longer able to because of government regs. Anyway I could sperg about this for a long time but at the end of the day I don't see the big deal, people who want raw milk are taking that risk upon themselves and have the right to do so. No one's being forced to drink raw milk.
>>2499346Why not just drink whole milk? 2% Is literally a waste product that big dairy scammed their way into selling by pushing for regulatory agencies to recognize food waste as food.
>>2499352In some countries/areas outside of the US it is basically impossible now actually. I know some Canadians who cross the border into the US to get milk specifically because it's so hard to procure in Canada. I think that's kind of crazy of them but what do I know, I'm lactose intolerant.
No. 2499962
>>2499335Holy shit yes we are and we should be due to the fact you can catch bird flu from contaminated unpasteurized dairy products. And cows don’t show symptoms of bird flu until a couple days after their milk becomes infectious.
My fellow schizo nonnas in the U.S. please do not consume raw dairy products right now. I’m not even saying never consume them, I’ve drank raw milk before. My dad grew up drinking it. I’m not against it. But I am against it at the current moment in time because the risk is too great and we can’t let bird flu keep spreading. Thankfully most people aren’t at risk but you put yourself at so much risk that’s so unnecessary by consuming raw dairy rn. Just wait a year or two for the bird flu shit to stop fucking up dairy farms. Literally just wild birds can spread it to even very well kept small herds and you won’t know until it’s too late. Pleeeeeease.
No. 2500460
>>2500209>We could've easily had a safe and effective vaccine if people held the companies accountableScientifically, this is not true. There had been decades of attempts made to make coronavirus vaccines with absolutely no success. I don't believe most other vaccines are effective either but even if you want to argue they were, by the standards of those other vaccines every single coronavirus vaccine after decades of research had always been an abject failure so it's magical thinking that more money could have suddenly created a COVID vaccine in a year or two (when the past fastest vax development of all time was like a decade). This is like saying we can all live on Mars tomorrow if we just hold SpaceX accountable or something, you can't wish impossible or futuristic technologies into being with 'accountability.'
As to the rest of your post I don't think it was a depopulation conspiracy either but that doesn't make it any less sinister that they forced 6 billion people to take a vaccine they knew to be both ineffective and dangerous beforehand. There's not any "good" reason to do that where it comes out not looking sinister.
>>2500289It's the conspiracy theory thread so yes, that is what you expect when you post on the thread.
No. 2500663
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Virginia Giuffre, Epstein's main accuser, has been found dead at age 41. Allegedly a suicide after recently getting hit head on by a speeding school bus. Wtf?
No. 2500668
>>2500663Two things might be true at once: 1. trafficking
victim commits suicide. 2. full Epstein files are never getting released and loose ends will be eliminated.
No. 2500689
>>2500663I remember when she did interviews and such on YouTube the comments were immediately spammed with people accusing her of lying or "actually selling herself and wanting to play
victim at last minute"
That being said - why was she never offered any witness protection program?
No. 2500714
>>2500673>>2500663Nothing makes sense.
First she was in a school bus accident, but apparently she wasn't driving and the bus driver said that it was a minor accident:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14563827/Bus-driver-crash-Virginia-Giuffre-four-days-live-story.htmlHere they detail something about her social media and they mention that Prince Andrew's ex-girlfriend, Lady Victoria Hervey, was even making fun of hers:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14649693/Virginia-Giuffres-cryptic-social-media-posts-days-tragic-death-suicide.htmlI'm not saying it's a conspiracy but looks like it.
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Who the fuck was this
No. 2501237
>>2500663After that weird ass automobile incident where the police downplayed her injuries, I knew her days were numbered. That poor woman went through so much.
Various British royals and socialites were viciously bullying and slandering her in the last few weeks. She absolutely was murdered, same as Isaac Kappy was murdered after speaking out about hollywood pedophilia. Any woman who speaks out against sex trafficking/porn industry/pedophilia cults ends up being killed or stalked for the rest of their lives. There's a war on against women, they want our bodies and our minds, and its only going to get worse before it gets better.
No. 2501238
>>2501102I doubt it. There's already a massive surplus of unwanted children and care homes and orphanages are already stretched to maximum capacity. That being said, a lot of parents in the US don't even realize that the state legally owns their children. But also, a shit ton of parents are just extremely
abusive towards their kids, and it's only in recent years it's become acceptable to openly discuss the topic child abuse.
No. 2501248
>>2501243I really feel like you're exaggerating a bit here sorry, can you give an example of a case where something like that actually happened and a parent was heavily investigated or lost custody because of an innocent meal being posted online?
False CPS accusations are nothing new, it's a method busybody Karen's used to use against women they disliked, now because of social media it's easier to dogpile on people. I knew women who it happened to even back in the early 2000s. Sometimes racists used to gang up and file false reports abour
WOC moms too.
No. 2501252
>>2501248>>2501248I can't find it now unfortunately but I remember a tiktoker talked about how her neighbor called CPS because her toddler cried when she wouldn't let her have a sip of her coffee. On top of the the comment section was filled with moms reporting that they had CPS called over all kinds of bizarre shit, scraped knees at the playground, eating leaves, returning shopping carts, etc
As for meals - it seems like every single healthy meal posted on tiktok for children is met with people having meltdowns about how your gonna destroy your childrens teeth, insulin resistance, gonna give them high blood pressure and all kinds of terrifying stuff and it was a completely normal and healthy meal. A few moms have talked about this in the mom thread in /g/ too
No. 2501434
>>2501191NTA but I don't understand what's interesting about it? The labs weren't really 'Chinese' labs anyway, they were in China but funded by the US government. They weren't 'helping make the vaccine by sharing their research,' their research was already owned by people like Daszak of EcoHealth Alliance and funded by the NIH/NIAID in the first place. None of that explains the vaccine being made 'faster' though since they never had an effective vaccine, it was just a chunk of reconstituted genome they already had at the ready but had never successfully animal or human tested.
>>2501245I always remember those news stories being shilled, I think you just see more of them now because 4chan moids compile them all and share them amongst themselves. But female pedophile teachers was a huge topic on daytime TV back when I was in elementary/middle school in the 90s/2000s I remember. Moids always love to pretend women are just as bad as them so they jump on these stories, and the dogfucking thing is just a male fetish.
>>2501252What about steak/strawberries would destroy a child's teeth or give them insulin resistance/high bp? I don't get it. Anyway toddlers have baby teeth, they're gonna fall out anyway.
No. 2501459
>>2501444I honestly don't believe Americans who comment that bullshit actually believe what they're saying. A lot of it seems like either miserable people using some of the most vulnerable population to bring down, especially since new parents often doubt themselves and are more likely to listen to criticism so the
abusive crowd takes full advantage of people who simply just want to be good parents. And then you have people who are straight up walking CPS calls that are literal child molesters and beaters who spend their emotional energy demanding everyone asspat them for potty training early, not feeding solids, rear face until 12, etc and hope everyone else ignores their 5 DV charges. Mormon parents on tiktok are notorious of this
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Pope paid off a mortgage to buy a macaroni factory where delinquent teenage boys work. Am I crazy or is this likely to be more sinister than it's presented as?
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I was thinking about what this anon
>>2246398 said about how men dressing up as women during war is a "blood/genetic memory" thing. This isn't intended to be racebait, but within less politically correct times and contexts, (white) Americans often like(d) to dress up as Native Americans for fun, and to signify a "wild/powerful/free spirit". Conquered people skinwalked by the conquerors. Women are, by and large, the first "conquered" people, and this is a common historical event to all regions, and probably all races. From that line of logic, it's easy to see what's going on there.
What's more interesting is why, even after conquering an "outsider" group, so many men want to embody them. I feel like that might tie into the cannibalistic practices engaged in by some groups of people during wartime, in which they believed that by eating their enemies, they'd attain their strength. It's almost both an insult and a compliment. They consume the Other to get their powers (inherent recognition of their power and the formidable fight they put up),
trigger their own inbuilt fight/flight reaction to the enemy's visual markers to maximize their performance in battle with a new enemy (in the case of Native Americans, it's typically the chieftain headdresses and face paint, for women, it's the same clothing that was literally made by men to mark us as "Other" from them and highlight our bodily differences), and remind themselves of their own victory (which is why they dress up as women or other "conquered people" during parties, not just war, and part of why male serial killers, even in solitude, often dress up in their female
victim's clothing and take photos of themselves: celebration). There's something else going on, too.
I don't know how the sexual aspect of AGP fits into all this, but I see a connection, and I don't think it's a mistake or a coincidence that men who have AGP are also often very racist, hierarchy-minded and deeply interested in raceplay/things like "BNWO" (picrel). I know it's ultimately about power and submission in a general sense, but there's a messier, more visceral aspect to all of this I feel like we've been primed to look away from, probably because it's embarrassing and gets in the way of certain social tenets. I'm also starting to suspect that male bisexuality becomes more common when a population is under certain stressors (whether that's war or scarcity of access to females via more powerful males hoarding wives/concubines/enforcing higher degrees of gender segregation, ie "prison gay"). Almost none of the weird and fucked up shit we see today is new, it's all just variations of how humans have been acting for a long, long time. Even beyond a human level, the same logic applies to why so many humans love to randomly kill animals (especially stereotypically "powerful" ones like lions and bears) and try to skinwalk/embody them. I'm not talking about people who specifically hunt to survive, eat or maintain certain environmental factors. Traditional culture and religion had a lot of mythology around this, modern/atheistic society has vestiges of it in both sports teams and furry culture or "petplay", and bestiality/zoophiliac behaviors have been rampant from then to now. I don't understand what drives so many humans to want to kill/conquer whatever and whoever is living, just to venerate and somewhat worship (or sexualize) them after the fact. It may actually be even more perverse when they do this with relatively benign, stereotypically "weaker" animals like deer, but I digress.
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>>2502249I wonder if it's a fucked up expression of the "resource hoarding" instinct.
>Male bisexuality increases if a population is under certain stressorsSpoilered pic because it describes animal cruelty, but during that one rat utopia experiment, homosexual and "pansexual" behaviours did increase among the social reject males who constantly lost fights against the "alphas." People like to say that similar effects haven't been studied in humans, but literally anyone who knows anything about men knows that isn't true.
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They stopped updating death by vaccination status because vaccinated people were dying at rapid rates
-incoming drop-
No. 2503351
>>2503300This is old news anon but this was happening even before 2023 in some jurisdictions.
>>2503314The ONS data was controlled for population size and age. Not sure what point you're trying to make here, if anything you're suggesting the UK's main statistics-collecting agency doesn't understand sample and population sizes.
No. 2503410
>>2503324>>2503351Obviously the figures relating to the deaths of vaccinated people are higher than the figures relating to the deaths of unvaccinated people, because there are a lot more vaccinated people than there are unvaccinated people.
Like in this graph,
>>2503305 of course more vaccinated children die compared to unvaccinated children, because the vast majority of children have two doses of the COVID vaccine. If 10% of apples rot, and I have a bin of 100 apples and a bin of 10000 apples, then the first bin will have 10 rotten apples and the second bin would have 1000 rotten apples. Same percent, but different amounts.
No. 2503424
>>2503410Do you understand what 'standardized' and 'per 100,000 person-years' mean? I think you are the one not understanding statistics. You pointed to this post
>>2503305 but were too lazy to read the title of the graph, "Age-standardised mortality rates by Vaccination Status, per 100,000 person-years, England, Age 10-14…'? NTA who posted that but you either didn't look at the chart's title or are statistically illiterate.
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>>2503410less than 50% of kids at that age are vaccinated in the UK, so nona's graph is alarming.
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>>2503435That's also a good point anon but thankfully it was standardized by group anyway so it doesn't really matter how many total kids got vaccinated.
Relatedly, I just found out about this legal notice some researchers served to the Aus government because they're destroying all the DNA/vaccine samples in the largest/most comprehensive covid vax sample database ever created. Sadly I can't find any mainstream articles about this so this weird conspiratard blog will have to do as it has the best rundown of the situation I could find on a quick search:
https://www.sott.net/article/499064-Nothing-says-Safe-and-Effective-like-destroying-all-the-data-from-Australias-giant-abandoned-vaccine-studyThe legal letter is from the author's blog:
https://julesonthebeach.substack.com/p/legal-notice-served-on-those-who?publication_id=1956910&post_id=161773787&isFreemail=true&r=nh7hc&triedRedirect=truePicrel is (1/2)
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Really disturbing because as an ex-lab-scientist we had a mandatory 7-year retention rate for ALL lab data even the simplest things like consent forms, we had to make paper copies of everything and retain it for future use and back it up on hard drives but they're just acting like this sample destruction is nbd after less than 5 years. Absolutely nuts. This comes after numerous studies including peer-reviewed studies from ivy league scientists keep finding DNA contamination in vaccine samples. Sick of the hamhanded coverup atp honestly, it's so anti-science to sabotage efforts to research anything long past the 'we need to increase people's trust in science!' excuses have worn thin and become defunct. No one is even getting vaccinated for COVID anymore one way or the other, they may as well stop aggressively hiding everything and just let scientists access research materials.
No. 2503559
>>2503424Sorry for samefagging but after posting this and working for a bit I realized there's probably a clearer way to explain this to any nonnas who forgot their high school stats. In order to grasp what this means I'll give a couple examples:
Let's say they're doing an observational study of cancer treatments with 1000 patients, where 25% of patients opt not to get chemo or any other treatment and 75% of patients opt for chemo. The study outcomes would then report 'mortality rate per treatment group' as (unrealistic numbers but to make it simple) "80% mortality rate" for non-chemo patients if 200/250 died, and "20% mortality rate" for chemo patients if 150/750 died. The per-group mortality rate is calculated as (deaths in X group/# of patients in X group). They do not calculate the mortality rate as (deaths in x group/@ of patients in both groups) because that would not account for the differential in group sizes. This is normal in all observational statistics since treatment group sizes can't be externally controlled, and even in randomized controlled trials it is calculated this way as there will often be slight discrepancies in treatment group sizes, especially due to dropout.
Another example that seems appropriate for lolcow is the following: Let's say we're calculating "sexual offending rates per sex in the prison population." Let's say there are 1,000 total women incarcerated in prisons and 100,000 men incarcerated. When you hear "male sexual offending rates relative to prison population are 10x higher than female sexual offending rates" it doesn't mean that they're calculating however many female sexual offenders over 101,000 total inmates and however many males over 101,000 sexual offenders, that would be functionally meaningless. They calculate the number of female sexual offenders over the total number of female prisoners, and they calculate the number of male sexual offenders over the total number of male prisoners, otherwise the 'rate' would be functionally meaningless since there are so many fewer women incarcerated overall.
When they're calculating dynamic groups which can move from one group into another after (event), it's common to calculate in person-years. So for instance, when you have a group like 100 children who may gradually become vaccinated over time, the 'person-years' are calculated as the time spent in that treatment group. If a child spends one tenth of a year during the study period unvaccinated, and then gets vaccinated, then they are calculated as contributing 0.1 person-year to the unvaccinated group in the first tenth of the year, and 0.9 person-years to the vaccinated group by the end of the year. If the child's death occurs, say, at least 2-weeks post-vaccination (this has been the standard for ONS data collection, skewing the data toward a vaccine safety signal), they are logged as a death over (whatever number of aggregate person-years) in the ever-vaccinated group. The person-years helps account for the fact that some groups got vaccinated at different times, so they will shift from the 'unvaccinated' to the 'vaccinated' group dynamically over time, but their time spent unvaccinated will still count proportionally in unvaccinated statistics, and the longer the time elapsed since vaccination without a recorded event like a death, the larger the 'vaccinated' denominator will functionally become.
As an addendum, the confusion may be coming from the fact that Biden's CDC initially reported total deaths in unvaccinated/vaccinated going back to 2020 without any adjustments, reporting unadjusted stats like "95% of COVID deaths were unvaccinated" even though the denominator was "total COVID deaths" and the time period went back to June/July 2020 when a vaccine was not even available. There was some scientific criticism of this as it is obviously an absurd, propagandistic way to calculate stats, but maybe people remember the CDC doing this and therefore assume all government agencies calculate stats in a similarly absurd way. Although there were some absurdities in the ONS stats (lag, and undercounting the total UK population by a few million) the ONS was never actually retarded and dishonest enough to report 'total deaths over total population over total time' stats like the CDC did. What the CDC did was not normal and it's also why they didn't use the word 'rate' because that would have been dishonest. They just kept saying "95% COVID deaths have occurred in X group" because they would have gotten sued to hell and back if they claimed it was a per-pop rate. What they did is not standard practice.
No. 2503695
>>2503410So what was the point of forcing everyone to get vaccinated if the vaccine didn't do anything
?
No. 2503736
>>2503728>every world government did all this in lockstep.Did you read that lockstep document kek
>Like everyone agreed, when does that ever happen in global politics?It never used to, but now most world governments and major NGOs are captured by the WEF, the WHO and UN are literally owned by the WEF, etc. The time of sovereignty and national governments is essentially over, which I believe is part of the reason a lot of people voted for an isolationist like Trump. I'm not really defending his tariffs as a good idea (I kind of doubt they will lead to anything good economically) and I'm not American so it's not really my place to comment anyway, but I feel like this was a last ditch attempt at nationalism/isolationism by a lot of the American crowd who tend to be anti-globalist. Whether it will work, well, I have my doubts but I think there was an undercurrent of 'fuck the new world order' in Trump's electorate, especially a lot of the ex-leftists who voted for him.
>there was an element of memeticsAbsolutely, and I think the social media censorship was also a test run. If you look at some of those disease X tabletop exercises the international community does, they started paying a lot of attention to social media censorship and messaging. They want to be able to capture people's minds and the idea of a deadly disease is one of the best ways to do that. My one hope is that it will be harder to fool people a second time with the 'disease' excuse, but seeing how so many people are still deluded about the entire COVID debacle, think it was a very serious disease, think the vaccines and lockdown measures worked against all evidence, etc. I'm not even sure.
No. 2503742
>>2503686I called this anon out for being pedantic like a bippie with a chronic
victim complex and that hit a nerve, so I'm guessing some parts of that is true. Everytime I see this anon writing their fanfiction about how everybody in the whole wide world hates them and wants to rape them for being a white woman, I'm just like "Oh, it's that bippie with her thinly-veiled rape fantasy again."
No. 2503754
>>2501255People are mad at you because you mentioned ~
poc~ but it’s true. Like that guy who stole a pregnant woman’s e bike and basically ruined her public image claiming she was racist. It’s just a safe way to be misogynistic. Also for everyone who replies to this defending men’s right to call women sexist slurs in the name of anti racism, who’s more important to you, a black man or a white woman?
No. 2503759
>>2503742I was not involved in this discussion, have no real desire to get into arguments between women of different races because I think we all essentially suffer from the same misogyny which has always been and will always be the biggest social force against women, but I think it is undeniable that 'white women' is a convenient excuse for misogynistic moids to be 'safely' misogynistic these days. They don't just mean white women either, they mean 'women' when they say their misogynistic shit and they just put 'white' in front so they're shielded from criticism for being misogynistic.
>>2503754I remember that e-bike situation, there was also that Central Park Karen called Amy Cooper or whatever who was absolutely railroaded from being scared of some giant moid who was threatening her in the middle of the forest and trying to lure her dog away, wouldn't back off when she repeatedly asked him to back away, etc. and then got so much flak in the media she was fired for calling the police when the moid wouldn't leave her alone. She seemed kind of crazy but I will side with a crazy anxious woman scared of men in the forest over a moid trying to smear her in the media any day honestly. Even my wokest friends after watching the video were like 'umm in her place I would have been scared out of my mind too.' I just wish women would pick female solidarity over idpol spats in this society where women's rights are constantly being trampled upon, moids (no matter what background) won't band together to protect us, we have to protect each other.
No. 2503784
>>2503754>>2501255The issue with this narrative is that data from 2022 shows that "women of color" still remain the most attacked (with black women in particular facing a disproportionately high scale of social media abuse).
https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/press-release/2018/12/crowdsourced-twitter-study-reveals-shocking-scale-of-online-abuse-against-women/Also, this obviously isn't true for everyone, but the majority of white women aren't going out of their way to defend brown, black or Asian women who get bashed by white and other men, and that's largely because from their POV, it has nothing to do with them. Using "white women" as a way to get away with misogyny only works for the same reasons non-Indian women (for example) have been scrolling past it and not caring for years when a misogynistic post started off with "indian women are all blah blah blah". It's a dirty psychological trick. There isn't anything special about being white in this context, it's that every group of women is left to fend for themselves against misogyny the moment other characteristics like race or religion come into play. People are somehow primed to forget that it's misogyny when you bring in something that a man could also be,
even when you're still singling out women.Sadly, there are also white women (typically tradthot types) who actually pile on to the abuse because they want to go full pickme for white moid crumbs, they think "women of color" live life on easy mode because racism is discussed, and the disgusting pornography made and spread by men has made them view other women as sexual competition.
This is why it's weird to switch up and only notice the problem the moment the online abuse starts to creep on white women as a demographic (which, of course it would - misogyny is misogyny, all these moids want carteblanche to bash us all, idk why there are always women who think they'll be exempt).
IMO, the only possible solutions are either mutual support (ie we all defend eachother against moid shit), or if you see someone attacking white women, instead of pretending that white women alone face abuse, just do what literally all other groups of women have been doing for years and defend yourself without pointlessly dragging "
WOC"'s name into things.
No. 2503882
>>2503784>It's a dirty psychological trick. There isn't anything special about being white in this context, it's that every group of women is left to fend for themselves against misogyny the moment other characteristics like race or religion come into play. People are somehow primed to forget that it's misogyny when you bring in something that a man could also be, even when you're still singling out women.I wish women would stop falling for this. We gain nothing from intrasexual competition and jealousy. Personally I have never witnessed shit like this irl, it seems like something I see the most in US media, and is possibly augmented by general racist moid rhetoric and porn. But in general, if a moid is misogynistic and targets women, it is only a matter of time before he targets other women regardless of their intrasexual group affiliation. None of this shit actually matters to misogynistic moids, we are all just porn categories to them whether it's on the basis of age, race, breast size, body type, etc.