/ot/ - off-topic

Also:
>21 Savage getting deported from the US; turns out he's actually from London and overstayed his visa from when he was 12
>Demi Lovato makes fun of him, cries about how mean twitter is when people call her a crackhead

I didn't see this mentioned last thread, but Terry Crews sort of not really defended Liam Neeson and now everyone wants to cancel him.

Really pathetic that Demi Lovato got backlash for laughing at the memes that the entire internet is laughing at and sharing. She sucks at responding to criticism but wow what a weird hypocrisy on behalf of the rest of society. Like, 21 Savage let this happen to himself, he can suffer and I'm gonna laugh at him too.

At least Pewdiepie got to throw it back in her face from when the world was upset at him sharing a drug meme of Demi.

>>369223
They're really trying to cancel people for anything, huh.

What happened to Celine Dion though?

>>369229
Even shittier, she wasn't even laughing at him getting deported. She was laughing at memes related to him being British. And I agree with you. I'm shocked he didn't get deported earlier considering he had a criminal background and he was allegedly still doing shady shit before he got deported. No one should feel sorry for this talent-less moron.

>>369223
People ~cancelled~ him before for these comments.

>>369241
probably has been depressed af after her groomer/pedo/husband/love of her life died. she has always been stockholmed af and i think she's been going downhill since the pedo fuck passed away

Saw this scrolling through YouTube. I lightened the thumbnail because it’s dark but what the hell is that jawline? Also main dude looks Asian/half Asian (someone around here was wondering if she was going to suddenly be interested in Asian dudes)

>>369270
his ramus is super long, wow

>>369270
Looks like the Asian dude from Riverdale

>>369285
For the love of god someone please delete Twitter from her phone and then chuck it into the sea for good measure.

>>369284
It sure is.
I would really love a Riverdale thread bc boy is that show a complete trainwreck. I look forward to my hatewatch every week.

>>369270
he looks like he was punched in the face every day his whole life.

>>369285
deleted in 3…2..1…

>>369270
Gay icon Ariana!

this op pic is absolute trash

>>369305
>>369270
she's so straight they had to make the other girl look like her so she could believably fall in love with her lmfaooo

>>369306
who even cares, as long as it's topical.

>>369305
when in doubt, attempt to pander to the gays I guess.

>>369319
Just wanted to let you know you did a shit job, op. There were way more amusing topical pics you could've used.

>>369217
My Megan marker hateboner is tingling. She’s so fucking fake and yet people still defend her smh

Why are people trying to make Liam Neeson out to be a racist? He brought up the story during an interview to admit what he did was wrong and show that he's changed. People are acting like they "caught" him being racist when he openly told the story to a reporter, he knew exactly what he was doing. I don't agree with what he did because not only was it racist but also didn't help his friend who needed support, not for him to confirm to her that all men are aggressive and she should live in fear. But acting like he's still racist now when he's offering this info to us willingly is ridiculous. Man I hate outrage culture.

>>369362
the complaints i saw were that he acknowledged that getting revenge was wrong, not that it’s wrong to target unrelated people just because they’re the same race. he specifically mentioned wanting to hurt a black man, and if he really had to say that then he should’ve thought about what he was saying and said why he was wrong, not just because revenge isn’t right. you can argue that’s what he meant and he just wasn’t clear, but you really should be clear on what you’re saying when you talk about how you were ready to attack a random black man. “it’s wrong to seek revenge” isn’t quite the same as “it was wrong to want to take revenge on strangers just because of their race”. if you’re going to bring weird shit up, think about what you’re actually saying

>>369362
If he said his friend was brutally attacked by a dog, so he'd routinely go out with a weapon and wait for a stray dog, any stray dog, to approach him just so he could beat the shit out of it, a lot of people would be singing a very different tune from what they are now.
In the same vein, if he said he used to be a raging incel who concocted elaborate schemes on trapping and kidnapping women to assault them, but never actually went through with it and claimed to have become a different person, no woman would be wrong to think of him as an unstable creep and a dangerous person.

>>369368
Wasn't this shit like 40 years ago? Who even cares? People change.

Marco Pierre White jr has made a twat of himself again. Wondering how long before he gets his eyeballs tattooed or just plain ODs. What a hot mess.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6681833/Marco-Pierre-White-junior-arrested-smashing-windows-row-celebrity-chef-father.html

>>369369
Nah, I wouldn't want to be around someone who at any point would rape/kidnap/kill/attack someone like me, let alone praise them for "changing" from a mindset they were psychotic to adopt in the first place, lmao. If that's how you want to live, whatever, but don't try and downplay others' justified distrust.
Also, if you weren't part of the group(s) targeted, you really have no right to say "Who cares?". It's not your life on the line.

>>369223
Black Twitter "cancels" everybody for the slightest fucking thing if not in 100% agreement with them.

Worse that Knetizens.

>>369368
Imagine if a man said he thought about raping a little girl 40 years ago but didn't do it

>>369362
Literally saw an article use present tense verbs. That's so fucking disingenuous.

>>369378
A lot of people would probably be fine with that. Roman Polanski actually did that shit and still gets celebrities lining up to apologize for him.

>>369381
And that's disgusting. People are right to decry it and cancel Polanski, in spite of apologists WKing him and other rapists.
Same goes for misogynists, racists, etc.

>>369362
He said he went out 5 times wishing for a fight and then realized it was irrational and seeked help.
But he shouldn't have said anything, this kind of stuff is sjw's bread and butter.

>>369371
>you really have no right to say "Who cares?". It's not your life on the line.
yours isn't either lol. Can't believe we still have sjws on lolcow.

As >>369383 said, he admitted it was wrong and irrational. He didn't go out and pick fights. He wished for a fight. He realized it's fucked up. He seeked help. No one got hurt. HE KNEW IT WAS WRONG AND SEEKED HELP. His only mistake is sharing this story tbh

>>369371
No, I wouldn't be afraid of an old dude who thought about killing a black man nearly half a century ago then sought help for it when he realized it was insane. Most people who have those kinds of thoughts never actually get help. And maybe there's a chance that those people will hear his story and realize they should.

>>369386
>yours isn't either
Not everyone is your demographic, kek. Calm down and stop calling everyone an SJW for not agreeing with you.
I don't deal with ""reformed"" would-be rapists/incels or racist attackers, and many other people don't. Cope.

>>369368
Correction: Routinely go out with a weapon and wait for a stray dog to ATTACK him. He said he was waiting for someone else to start a fight with him, not to approach him. Nobody got aggressive or tried to start anything with him, so nothing happened.

>>369387
>No, I wouldn't be afraid of an old dude who thought about killing a black man
That's why you're you, and no one else is, and that's okay. Where is the proof it was even "40 years ago"? The original source says "some time ago".

>>369390
Were you a black dude living in the UK however many years ago in the same town Liam Neeson lived in? Do you think he's going to break into your house and beat you to death?

If black people want to hate him and think he's an awful person, I think that's perfectly justified. To be afraid and act like he's going to go full KKK and commit hate crimes at any moment is a little much.

>>369392
He said it was 40 years ago on Good Morning America. And that's backed up by how he originally said it was during the Troubles. When do you think the Troubles were, anon? Do you not know?

>>369393
You're starting to sound crazy. Who said any of that shit about the KKK or bursting into homes?
>If black people want to hate him and think he's an awful person, I think that's perfectly justified.
Then we're on the same page, ffs. Go take a nap.

>>369394
Original source:
https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/films/features/liam-neeson-interview-rape-race-black-man-revenge-taken-cold-pursuit-a8760896.html
>It was some time ago. Neeson had just come back from overseas to find out about the rape.

>>369396
Yes, and he's spoken about it since then and said it was forty years ago. And in the original interview he mentions this incident took place during the Troubles. Why am I having to explain this to you twice, anon? Are you retarded?

>>369354
Hope the royal family kicks her out soon, can't stand this fake bitch

>>369395
Not even the anon you were originally replying to. You implied it was your life on the line when this man is literally no threat to you. That sounds pretty nuts to me.

>>369398
i suspect that anon doesn't know what the troubles were.

>>369383
I know. Is he unaware of the climate we're now living in? An actress got drug for saying black people get paid more than Latino people, did he think this would pass without a blimp? This isn't 2005 anymore.

>>369400
>taking things literally so you can call someone nuts after sperging out about shit nobody said
In the sense of being a black person, yes, I am not wrong to be threatened by that kind of shit, lmao. I have no reason to believe he'd never, ever slip back into that way of thinking the same way I don't trust men who talk about how they really wanted to rape people in the past.
If you can't comprehend that, you can't be helped. Just stop trying to silence justified disgust because you can't relate.

>>369403
I wonder if anon would trust a person who said "I use to want to rape kids but I got help and now I've changed" around her kids…I doubt it lol

>>369404
I think the difference is people can be raised in an environment where it's OK to have prejudices against certain races. I'd not heard of people being raised in a environment where it's OK to fancy children.

>>369405
Seriously, the whole family is a shitshow. What Meghan has done isn't even a blip on the radar of terrible things they've done.

>>369406
(NTA) That really just makes things worse for the "He's changed!!!" camp, too. He obviously comes from an environment where prejudice isn't uncommon or heavily frowned upon (and still isn't, except through the whole fake PC mask even he's acknowledged), which arguably makes him even more of a risk.

>>369413
I don't know man. If people raised with implicit biases are racist,then all white people are racist and can't changed. What's the point in doing anything? I don't want to live in a world without no hope.

Is it wrong to believe people can change?

>>369406
It's sad that people react so badly to his "vulnerability" on this subject, he's being honest and it could be an opportunity to talk about learned racism but people would rather scream "that's racist! You're cancelled henny!" than talk about it candidly.

>>369415
but there’s also tons of people defending him like it’s a totally normal thing, like plenty of people have phases of wanting racial violence. why would he praised for vulnerability when he’s talking about wanting to be violent because he was angry about a woman being assaulted?

>>369414
"I thought black people were a bit scary growing up and avoided them when I was little" is one thing, "I wanted to attack random black men and hoped they'd drunkenly go at me so I could literally murder one" is another ballpark entirely.
There's no really good reason to believe or trust that he's 100% changed if he could go that far. We'd have to look at records of his psych/therapist visits to see if they even delved into the racial aspect much, and I doubt that'll ever happen. Any black person who keeps away from him after that isn't in the wrong, IMO.

>>369415
>Some social justice advocates says we live in a white supremacy and even if you don't think you are racist, you are still raised with implicit biases
>Someone talks about how that implicit bias nearly turned into a fatal explicit one and how they regret it
>People want to cruicify them

I don't understand.

>>369416
Exactly. I really want to believe the ones defending him aren't implicitly carrying on some "I mean, didn't we all want to kill a colored person at least once in our lives? Chill out, it's just a phase guys" nonsense, but with the way they seem incapable of empathizing on why something like this would be cause for alarm, I have to wonder.
Is this normal to them or something? A phase in puberty?

>>369417
He didn't want to attack black men out of thin hair, his friend was brutally raped and it brought up those violents impulse in him, it's obviously the wrong thought process but it's not like he woke up one day and wanted to kill black men for no reason at all. He identified how wrong those feeling where and dealt with them and now is bringing to light something that is almost never talked about. I think it's interesting because I believe men should police each other.

>>369419
I can understand why it's frustrating that people are angry at someone for admitting something heinous in their past they feel ashamed of, but I think it's also wise to understand why black people may be particularly sensitive to what he confessed.

>>369415
If the attacker was white he wouldn't want to kill random white guys. men have this weird obsession with other races of men "tainting" their women. He was most likely more pissed off by a black guy raping this woman than the actual rape it's self.

>>369371
He literally said he did this in anger because his friend was raped, why the fuck would you think he'd rape you? Lmfao

>>369421
Then why didn't he keep an eye out for black men (or, preferably, any men) who were harassing white women (or, preferably, any women) to bash? Why just any random, drunk black guy on his way out of a bar who might've had one too many and thought this guy was mean-mugging him?
It's not justified or heroic, and this barely even counts as "men policing eachother". Just violent, selfish racism.

>>369416
>>369417

agreed, ive seen plenty of people saying it was actually understandable hed done that for revenge for his friend when it was obvious that he just saw it as an oppurtunity to kill a black guy.

I hate that so many people are making it seem like a "the sjws are at it again" when its genuinely concerning. It doesnt matter that it happened 40 years ago, because its the first weve heard of it, and most people didnt even see just how long ago it really was

I DO think people can change and glad neeson admitted to his mistakes and got help, but fuck. Id still be pretty fucking uncomfortable if I ever crossed his path in person.

>>369427
Because he had a fucked up thought process and he's honest about it?

>>369425
I think what he admitted to is fucked up and wouldn't trust him either but I think you're off the mark here.

He's a Catholic who was raised in NI during the Troubles. He was excited by the chance to bash anyone, not just black men. Catholics were the lowest of the low during the Troubles, you could literally hack a Catholic to pieces in broad daylight and the police would shrug and say they probably had it coming. It's more likely he was excited to finally be the one doing the violence.

>>369430
Reread:
>It's not justified or heroic, and this barely even counts as "men policing eachother". Just violent, selfish racism.
No black person is wrong to not be okay with this, "honest" or not.

>>369431
Then why didn't he use that as an excuse to go after any man? I mean he had the excuse to go murder any random guy because his friends attacker was male

>>369431
america is full of ira sympathizers so they won't get this. ask any american their opinion of the ira and they'll say they think they're heroes. they have no clue.

>>369434
Because he needed the paper-thin justification that maybe it was his friend's attacker he was beating up.

>>369433
Uh? Do you really think I was talking about him attacking random black men when I said "men should police each other?". I was talking about him coming forwards now with his weird fucked up impulse.

>>369434
This. He explicitly asked what color the rapist was, that's not really common or sensible unless you're already a racist looking for an excuse.

>>369437
How do you know his attacker wasn't arrested though?

>>369431
>anyone, not just black men

He literally specifically searched for black men. Thats what he said himself. Thats not to say you arent wrongnabout it driving him to violence in the first place, but you cant use that to ignore that this wasnt also a about a fundamental hatred of black people, as well

>>369434
Why are you guys acting like anyone here is saying he wasn't thinking and acting like a racist? He even said it himself, lmao.

>>369441
…His friend was a Catholic woman during the Troubles, anon. In the 70s/80s. Do you know anything at all about NI during that time?

>>369441

He said in his original story part of why he got so mad is because his friend got no justice.

>>369444
Because people like >>369431 are going on about "anyone, not just black men uwu" lmao.

>>369444
Because my point is he was more salty about a black guy raping this girl than the rape itself. If he knew a white guy did it, he would have been sad for a week then moved on. In his mimd A evil black man raped a precious and innocent white woman and he was triggered.

>>369448
I knew black women had a hate boner for white women but this is just disgusting.(racebaiting)

>>369449
Don't racebait, anon.

>>369450
isn't posting shit like
>In his mimd A evil black man raped a precious and innocent white woman and he was triggered
already race baiting?

>>369451
I think that anon is off base, but this isn't about the evil black women having a secret white woman hate cabal or whatever you're trying to say. Don't turn this into yet another black women vs white women fight, those are beyond lame.

>>369407
True. The royal family has done lots of worse stuff. Meghan is just a lucky yet dumb thot. It's funny to me though how some people criticize Kate for her family being money and fame hungry, but Meghan gets pitied for her family. Plus Kate has never broken any rules nor tried to change them in contrast to Meghan.

>>369449
Not even that anon, but what the fuck is wrong with you? Not liking people using the rape of women as a justification for racist, homicidal tendencies toward non-rapists means you must hate white women?
This is advanced racebait, and I wouldn't be surprised if you were some white scrote from /pol/ trying to jump in on this as an opportunity to build resentment. Pathetic.

>>369449
>You hate white women

You're taking what u said our of context. The issue is he was more mad that the attacker was black than the rape. It's like those white guys who get triggered hearing about Muslims attacking European women but only feel slightly upset/or don't care when a white guy does it. It's about another race of men "concurring" what they feel belongs to them…men are retarded like that.

>>369451
Its not racebaiting if somoeone is literally just pointing out someone elses blatantly racist thought proccess

Anon was baiting by making a post that was essentially pitting two races against each other for no reason

>>369454
Well sorry, I guess I was completely off base it just sounded so bad and uncaring for the victim, it shocked me.

>>369429
>ive seen plenty of people saying it was actually understandable hed done that for revenge for his friend when it was obvious that he just saw it as an oppurtunity to kill a black guy.
Yeah, if he really wanted revenge he would have looked for the man accountable for the rape, or a man assaulting women. Why just any black guy? That mindset isn't justifiable. I don't want to flat out say that people are incapable of change, but I would be skeptical of anyone who admitted to something like this in their past. I don't blame people for side-eyeing Liam Neeson.

>>369247
He's a smart dude, and of course woke twitter doesn't like it.

>>369362
Agreed, but he should've shut up. Everyone knows this kind of things can destroy your career, and he spoke about that… right when he's got a movie coming out, too. They cancelled the Lionsgate premiere where he was supposed to attend.

>>369247
He's cool

>>369305
>>369270
Ariana is so in love with herself lmao
Her chin is straight up anime tier

>>369369
It is very unlikely that people will go from using rape as an excuse to seek racial violence to being 100% ok and peachy. Considering he avoided acknowledging his hate crime seeking was the issue more so than seeking revenge shows he isn't even there yet. Stay WKing.

All these anons sticking their neck out for Liam Neeson when he’s the same guy who called MeToo a witch hunt kek. The guy’s probably a rapist/friends with rapists and still hates black people.

>>369597
I will never understand some people's dedication to ugly, middle-aged/elderly men. They will go to the ends of the earth to downplay racism, misogyny and pedophilia if the person made some content. I used to think it was just a "men defending their own" thing until I read the nonsense in this thread.
I sure hope the anons in here are also rushing to defend incels with murderous, anti-woman thoughts, or I'll be forced to assume it's a "racists defending their own" thing.

>>369597
The amount of men that aren't rich and powerful, that self-inserted and tried to empathize with these perverted celebrities really makes me mad. "I wouldn't want to be fired from my job because of some guilty-until-proven-innocent mentality, when I am innocent. So I have to give these dudes the benefit of the doubt too because there isn't hard evidence to prove the assaults."

While I understand the sentiment, normal people would never get "cancelled" like this over a serious criminal charge. Like, this doesn't happen. Anyone is fair game for getting dragged on Twitter for insensitive tweets and shit but you wouldn't get convicted for a rape allegation. Not even these dudes are actually getting convicted. They're getting blacklisted by some companies and fellow actors who probably have reason to dissociate. They probably witnessed some sketchy shit from these guys themselves.

About time.

>>369626
Being anti-lgbtq as in "i believe that marriage should be between a woman and a man" is not a crime.

I remember twitter getting triggered by him tweeting about praying for his friend's health and a speech of his in which he thanked jesus being cut.
I guess being woke does not include being tolerant of religion or rather christianity…

>>369644
There's plenty more homophobic shit going on in that church, plus one founder is a child molester (ironic) and another founder, his son, has covered it up. it definitely goes beyond "gay marriage is wrong," they think being gay is wrong, period, and used to advocate for conversion therapy

But none of this is unique to Hillsong, child abuse and homophobia is aplenty in all organized religion

>>369626
>>369644
Can't stand Ellen Page, liked her in Trailer Park Boys but then after her work with David Cage in Beyond Two Souls I quickly realized she's a massive SJW and professional victim with no talent to back her up. Not surprised she'd start up a random witch hunt against someone for being a traditional christian, perhaps she's just in need of more asspats and attention

>>369626
Ellen Page is a twat. Let people think what they want as long as they aren't hurting anybody, asshole.

>>369651
>>But none of this is unique to Hillsong, child abuse and homophobia is aplenty in all organized religion
Exactly! And on one hand the LGBT community wants to support and encourage free thinking, freedom of identity, beliefs and acceptance amongst everyone. Then twats like Ellen Page, someone who exclusively dated men until like 2010-2011, comes along and proclaims your welcome to have your own opinions, but only if they align with her own. To me this all just seems like she's trying to get publicity and approval from the LGBT community despite doing nothing to support the community herself.
>>369668
amen

>>369668
He is in a religious organization that is involved in child abuse and uses semantics to delegitimize same-sex relationships. As annoying as she is, she is fully entitled to criticize such religions any way she likes. She is also allowed to use her platform to promote her own beliefs, which can even go along the lines of "religions fucking suck". Set your christfagging aside and understand that.

>>369674
Why Pratt though? Why not speak out against the church itself or any organized religion? Why not go after other celebs in the Hillsong church like oh I dunno, Justin Bieber, Kendall Jenner, or Vanessa Hudgens, or Selena Gomez, or Kourtney Kardashian, etc, etc…? Not to mention Scientology or literally any other "hollywood religious" groups?

>>369669
Uh, what? How is only dating men = following a church led by homophobic known child abusers? And why is it so shocking to you that Ellen Page, who is LGBT, is against an anti-LGBT church? I think it's fine to speak out against things that go against your own beliefs…

>>369685
She spoke out directly against Chris Pratt in response to him talking about a religious fast on Stephen Colbert's show, and as far as I can tell was implying that Colbert glossed over the fact that Hillsong is known to be anti-LGBT (which Colbert probably did not even know, he's likely just given prompts to discuss and why would he even bring that up?).

I think the main issue with Hillsong is that it appears to someone who doesn't know better that it's hip, cool, and modern (as evidenced by all of its celebrity members), but underneath it's just like any other church.

>>369685
Because Pratt is very open about his religion. He once hiked and erected up a giant wooden cross on a hill for Easter. He’s obnoxious.

And Ellen Page being in the closet years ago doesn’t mean she can’t call out homophobia, wtf anon?

>>369644
>Being anti-lgbtq as in "i believe that marriage should be between a woman and a man" is not a crime.

Having shitty opinions means you better be ready to defend and stand up for your opinions. No one said anything about crisp rat getting arrested, but she can call him out as she pleases.

>>369668

So, shes a twat for speaking out about a popular church that has years of scandals and its openly anti-LGBT+. Gotcha.

Some people on here have just overused the word SJW to the point it's become a parody of itself, I swear.

>>369668
Are you trying to imply that homophobia doesn't harm people…?

>>369704
I listen to Anna Farris' (his ex-wife) podcast and she seems very normal as far as Hollywood goes, I don't think she's religious or anything at all. I wonder if him being super religious played a role in them splitting up? I also suspect him getting "hot" played a role as well.

>>369704
I'd see this as obnoxious if it was posted on something that wasn't his personal instagram, and if the caption said "Daddy Pratt says: being gay is a sin, guys".

She should have named Hillsong, instead she just went after harmless ass Pratt like a cowardly asshole, probably cause they are a powerful organization and she wants the pity points w/o hard work. for all we know pratt doesn't know the pastor is evil and gave him the benefit of the doubt. He might be brainwashed.

>>369721
poor little chris pratt how will he ever recover

kinda seems like she just saw the tweet in her timeline and replied to it, it's not that deep

>>369720
From what I know, their son was born premature with complications and that is what Pratt cites as the reason why he’s so religious. Anna Faris is alleged to be an alcoholic and that led to their divorce.

Also he’s suddenly popular, famous guys usually dump their spouses once they make it big.

>>369644
People were mad about him tweeting someone he barely knows who had just had a massive heart attack with claims of prayer literally having healing properties, it wasn't a "pls pray 4 my
sick friend" tweet.

>>369655
>just a traditional christian uwu

>>369668
>homophobia doesn't hurt anyone owo

where did you people come from?

>>369731
There is nothing wrong with this tweet, even if he's naive. He's not forcing people to "believe in the healing power of PRAYER"

>>369727
IIRC he actually became a born-again Christian when he was a teenager. A random guy came up to him in a parking lot and told him to become Christian and he said he "gave his soul to jesus" or something. He also, weirdly, doesn't believe in heaven.

>>369644
will people ever stop using "not a crime" as an argument? Chris Pratt isnt in jail, he got "called out" or whatever on twitter, he's fine. People are in their own right to voice their opinions on what they consider homophobic.

>>369655
You dislike someone because as a lesbian they dislike gay people? traditionnal christianity (or any religion for that matter)is cancer.

>>369739
his views might have changed somewhat since signing on with Hillsong a few years ago

>>369739
he's a stupid hick and should've been cancelled for hunting. anyone that takes joy in killing animals is sociopathic tbh
>“She”—in case this is news to you, “she” is Anna Faris, the mega-talented comic actress—”doesn’t like me coyote hunting. She’s like, ’You’re not gonna eat it.’ I’m like, ’Yeah, I guess you’re right. I just like to kill ’em.’

>>369736
It’s obnoxious, reducing someone else’s situation to some god bothering crap and making it about himself. If he wants to help in some way he could donate to a heart charity or something. Prayer is the laziest and most selfish way to “help” anyone.

>>369770
Not to mention isn’t Kevin Smith an open atheist? Kind of rude to ask for prayers for someone open about not being religious.

>>369752
>traditionnal christianity (or any religion for that matter)is cancer.
I hope you're underage

>>369770
Some people are just more spiritual than others, idk what to tell you.

why are there so many anons defending organized religion itt?

>>369241
She suffered great losses and beat anorexia, dude

>>369784
Right! This church has said that CSA victims seduce their predators lmfao

>>369784
because their pussy is frothing for Chris Pratt

>>369798
Well he is sexy. Kinda too much of a brainlet tho.

>>369752
>christianity is cancer
Good luck getting people to accept your sexuality when you yourself are this "open-minded"…

>>369803
I'm from a catholic family, very much into theology and have total respect for faith. However yes, TRADITIONAL christianity is cancer.

Also never claimed to be "open minded".
It's not like gay people suddenly started to hate on religion. Gay people have absolutely every right to hate on traditional christians after what's been done to them.

>>369815
every lesbian on this board is a terf, don't start with this shit.

>>369774
All religion centres around men and oppressing that which offends them, even if religions weren’t homophobic (which pretty much every single one is) they’re still toxic and don’t deserve attention in this day and age

People in this thread are so hot for Chris Pratt they're willing to excuse pedophilia and homophobia, wew

>>369823
He’s really not even that cute..

>>369823
he honestly was cuter when he was still a little chubby, before he got "hot" for jurassic park kek

>>369824
he's one of the only men i've ever seen who got less attractive while going from chubby to in shape.

>>369817
And did Chris Pratt ever say that gay people shouldn't have rights?


Only an absolutely tiny fraction of the female population are lesbians - meanwhile over 2 billion people worldwide are christians. You not liking that and thinking that this makes all of them stupid won't change that, you need to accept that.

And how very cute of you to state that anons here are only speaking out against you because they're lusting after him. That totally doesn't sound sexist at all… Believe it or not, but straight (christian) women do have brains of their own, they're not just controlled by their carnal needs mking them submit to men… (something you lesbians seem to love to assume)

>>369832
please calm down, Ofchris.

>>369832
And 1.8 billion people are Muslim, but what do you know, that doesn’t subtract from the fact that it’s a homophobic religion

>>369832
I’m willing to bet that half that two billion are just fair weather Christians who go to church maybe once a year. Atheism is still very much a fringe religion, some people are terrified to admit they are agnostic or atheist because there’s stigma with that title outside of the internet.

>>369832
>supporting a church that has stated many times that gay people shouldn't have the right to get married

that's basically one step short of saying "I believe that gay people shouldn't have the right to get married," but ok

>>369833
KEK

>>369832
>christian
>brains of their own

Not thinking for yourself is a defining factor of adhering to organized religion.

>>369840
>Atheism is still very much a fringe religion, some people are terrified to admit they are agnostic or atheist because there’s stigma with that title outside of the internet

… where the fuck do you live?

do you guys think Harry will divorce Meghan in a few years? She keeps doing stupid and embarrassing shit. It's clear that Harry was only thinking with his dick otherwise he wouldn't have gotten with someone so ill fitted to be royalty.

>>369962
What has she done that has been so embarrassing?

>>369833
OH MY GOD

>>369840
Atheism is not a religion.

I’m not trying to defend Chris Pratt and and I’m all for calling out homophobia but I feel that Ellen Page has gotten super insufferable ever since she came out. Like all she talks about his how gay she is and doesn’t seem to have a personality beyond that. It’s like Lainey except she’s actually gay.

>>369963
Same. I don’t deny that Megan is fake and has her head up her ass to an extent but not moreso than any other celebrity or royal. There are some real Megan/British Royal Family spergs in these threads.

>>369962
>It's clear that Harry was only thinking with his dick otherwise he wouldn't have gotten with someone so ill fitted to be royalty.
what about her specifically makes her less fitted than say Kate to be royalty?

>>370006
People think Meghan is trash because she didn't go to some fancy British finishing school or some shit. It's fucking ridiculous. Kate's better at keeping her head down and quietly churning out royal babies every other year, that's about it.

Can we get a mod in here? This thread is so fucking autistic today

>>369989
I know its not a religion, i misspoke.

>>369953
if you live in a liberal bubble then being an atheist is no big deal, but are there any open atheists in public office? notice when zuckerberg was getting ready to run he suddenly started attending church and talking about finding religion? its because the general american public doesn't trust atheists. theres only been a handful of openly non-religious public officials.

>>370013
Apparently she was a Bridezilla and was very rude towards the royal family. Like demanding air freshners in the chapel everywhere. In British culture you are very easily seen as very fucking rude, yes Americans are very loud and opinionated compared to the Brits. Nevermind royal Brits. Apparently Meghan has also been extremely rude towards staff too. That in combination that she's been a princedigger since she was very young and would've jumped on any prince who would give her the time of day.

>>370021
Even if she was the biggest asshole on the planet it doesn't even remotely compare to the terrible shit 90% of that family has done over the years. Brits just like to deflect all those issues onto the "rude loud American." God knows that family needs some new blood in it too, they should be grateful that at least Harry's kids are going to be 50% less inbred than the rest.

>>370026
Hate to break the illusion but most people here in the UK (that care about this shit) like Meghan and find her a breath of fresh air. It’s only the tabloids trying to create drama on slow news days that give that impression otherwise. I’ve seen more hate for her coming from the USA tbh. Not a royal fag by any means and think we should dismantle the outdated system, but you can’t switch your car radio on without hearing about it. At least it’s good for tourism, I guess.

I have a love-hate thing with Megan markle. On one hand she seems to be an insipid goldigger who separates herself from friends and family after using them. On the other hand I love the chaos she causes and I hope she tears that inbred, expensive LARPing royal family apart. RIP Diana

>>370055
An injection of fresh new genes at minimum would be useful, they are indeed, far too inbred.

>>370055
You know I had a huge hareboner for her just because her face is so fucking smug and the reasons you listed, but I never thought about her role in that way. Snooping around and seeing what the monarchy actually is (a fucking joke, only exists for the public eye and doesn’t do much as far as the country’s wellbeing is concerned) I think I’ll start to actually like her. Get the inbred out Megan, cause more crazy scandal, slowly dismantle the royal family from the inside out! Rip Diana, Camilla is an inbred home wrecker and Charles is just as inbred and home wrecky

>>370089
What do you mean by "criminal genes"? Neither of her parents are criminals, and she isn't one, either.

They look like a nice family.

>>369962
I think that the press is just blowing things out of proportion. They used to do the same with Kate… they still do actually, saying "divorce is in the air" with William for years

What is up with the racebaiters in this thread?

Anyways what you guys think of Ariana Grande's new album?

>>370158
I'm sure it's mostly the same anon doing it over and over, even after getting banned for it.

>>370158
Speaking of Ariana, take a look at this. Too bad he didn't include any spicy mocking that was offensive and mostly posted defense posts.

>>370020
Ah, so you're American. If you're speaking exclusively for America then you might want to clarify that, since anons were talking about religious numbers across the globe and you were commenting on 2 billion Christians.

>>370220
Ariana's Japanese fans are hilarious. I forgot how common it is for big US acts to attract fanbases in Japan. Espicially pop/rnb divas.

>>370021
>yes Americans are very loud and opinionated compared to the Brits. Nevermind royal Brits.

That’s a stereotype. Not denying that there aren’t any loud and obnoxious Americans because they do exist but not all of us are like that.

As an American, I get pretty annoyed at Brits who act like they’re better than us. America and its culture has plenty of problems but to act like Britain’s shit doesn’t stink is hilarious.

Don’t really know much about Meghan so I’m not gonna defend her.

>>370158
it's my least favorite ariana album. i don't know if she can't sing anymore, but she barely shows off her vocal talent. it's just a basic pop album that anyone could have came out with. also break up with your girlfriend, i'm bored is the worst song on the album, but she made it a single for some reason.

>>370158
Extremely lackluster. Almost every song was bad except for Bloodline and one othet song I can't remember the name of. I honestly really disappointed.

>>370158
All the singles so far are annoying. I really only liked about 4 songs (NASA, ghostin, bad idea, and in my head) but meh it's at least better than the previous album. I did notice that most of her singing is very toned down and there's no real power compared to a lot of DW songs which is disappointing.

>>370278
she seems to have really bad taste in everything including her own music. If there's a song listeners skip, it's bound to be her fave on the album.

>>369421
I don't think he said have said anything in the interview about this to be fair, but there's definitely a sense of racial bias and discrimination when it happens. I had a close friend raped by a black man in high school and avoided then like the plague after. She didn't outright say she hates then but I could imagine Liam thought he was doing something right when he wasn't at all. He should have kept his mouth shut about that .

I only really feel bad for the woman involved. And the whole thing of victim blaming and how women can't be afraid of certain types of men after a rape.

>kylie jenner threw a birthday party for stormi, which included a giant head molded after her daughter of which guests could walk through the mouth

literally what the fuck lol
>muh circus theme

Apparently Justin Beiber was celibate and didn't bang Hailey Baldwin until they got married because he has a sex addiction. Also Jesus.

https://www.cosmopolitan.com/entertainment/a26236919/why-justin-bieber-stopped-having-sex-for-a-year-celibate-hailey-baldwin/

>>370685
It looks like a blow up doll mouth ewwwww

>>370685
It's pretty fucking weird and it seems like it has something to do with Stormi's dad Travis Scott, because your baby's birthday party is just another chance for album branding.

>>370717
>has a sex addiction

Sex addicts avoid their problems by seeking validation from a myriad of partners. One pretty girl won't fix all his problems within a short period of time after he goes cold turkey. In other words, if he is a sex addict, then he's been cheating since they started dating.

That's the equivalent of telling substance abusers they need to quit cold turkey while dangling their favourite drugs in their face when their motivation to quit is to receive the drug as reward at the end anyways.

>>370026
>>370065
> new blood
> less inbred
> fresh new genes
Meghan and Harry are distant cousins, actually.

>>370837
please elaborate with sources lol

>>371036
It's been reported widely and covered by various outlets. Google it.

>>371036
They are 15th cousins

>>370837
>>371049
Their common ancestor is from the 1300s.

Fuck i'm more closely related to a dozen American celebrities. For that matter, Markle is also related to 8 American presidents and a bunch of other celebs.

There was only 300-400 million humans on earth during the 1300s, so obviously all 8 billion current humans share many common ancestors.

wtf happened to katy perry yikes

>>371258

Didnt she have a mental breakdown last year? I feel really bad for her because in general I really like her music even though its generic pop.

Really hope she starts to feel better soon.

She's stupid af

>>371258
idk who told her that going full miley was a good look, but it's not. it literally aged her 20 years. i miss when she used to have black hair and wear trashy latex dresses.

>>371348
>>371258
Yikes, she really does need to go back to the wavy black hair. This is not her look

>>371258
She really seemed like she was on something during her five seconds of the Dolly Parton tribute.

>>371332
what is happening with this outfit?

>>370717
Some fan accounts I used to follow a few years ago were speculating he was bi. Doesn't help when his wife looks like her dad.

>>371258
>>371332
What the fuck are these outfits? Hideous. No one tell me "It's art you pleb". Many of the Met Gala 2018 outfits were art. This looks like some low-effort attempt at being avant garde.

>>371441
I totally believe Beibs has sucked a few dicks. Wasn't he caught doing questionable shit in a pool with a Hillsong pastor?

>>371258
Ah, yes. The Barbie birthday cake look.

>>371332
It is vintage couture from the 90s. You can think it looks stupid and that’s fine but she didn’t pull this dress out of her ass.

>>371468
>>371332
its 1995 Thierry Mugler you peasants

https://www.refinery29.com/en-us/2019/02/224030/cardi-b-grammys-dress-mugler-oyster-pearl-meaning

>>371468
1. I’m pretty sure anon meant the gross tongue thing makes her stupid, or the fact that she got back with him in general. 2. Nobody with a brain thinks celebrities dress themselves for the red carpet, wtf are you on? 3. Jesus Christ himself could’ve sewn that thing and it would still be fugly.

>>371348
same

>>371441
They almost look like a transman/transwoman couple here.

~tiny~

>>371864
Wth is going on in this pic and why is there a dorito face to the left

>>371864
tarnished? what was she even trying to say lmao

>>371864
does she really sleep with her fake hair in omg

>>371892
The real question is does she really sleep with fake lashes on/mascara? Kek

>>371877
typo of 'trashed', maybe?

>>371896
Doubt it. She can't even use commas correctly in this tweet. Sounds like she's stupid

Haven't seen this posted, saw on twitter that she tweeted this when Cardi won over Mac - obvs she deleted.

>>371468
>>371503
I said she's stupid because she got back with Offset after saying time and time again that it was over.
Should've clarified that, my bad. I actually like the dress lel

>>371919
Someone needs to take her phone away since she can never seem to just shut the fuck up.

>>371919
>>371920
Did they not think that the Grammy’s invited his parents to represent for him? I think it would’ve been more disrespectful to not invite them.
Also I find it a bit humorous that Nicki didn’t even get a nomination kek. Her psycho fans have been harassing Cardi nonstop since she won. Not a fan of Cardi, but her album is the least boring and I think all of those songs have gone platinum. Out of all of the nominees I think she deserved it the most.

>>371919
can this bitch stop virtue signalling over her dead ex that she cheated on? she's so fake.

>>371991
Fucking this. I don't doubt it would have been a little sad but she is milking that shit to be the victim. She put him in a song hence somewhat capitalizing on his death in a way.
Which brings me to my next point.

I cannot stand Taylor Swift, however I find it extremely unfair that she writes songs about her ex's (doesn't use names though)
and gets crucified for it as a crazy bitch, but this little twerp does it and even mentions them BY NAME and everyone is like omg wow what a bop! She's such an independent woman. You go Ariana!

Taylor Swift is probably just as fake but I've never heard a story of her mistreating fans or doing shady shit like mistreating staff and any scandals like the whole donut thing.

I swear Ari gets a free pass because she is cute. She's a very pretty girl, but it's obvious she's a nasty evil human inside.
Her latest song is about stealing someone's boyfriend. How nice can she be?

Also it's annoying how she sings about loving herself first ect when she's literally one of those women who are alllways in a relationship and incapable of being by themselves or they get bored.

She had broken up with Malcom BEFORE he died. She has no fucking right to sing about him. Imagine how his family feels. This bitch using him for revenue.

>>372026
>Her latest song is about stealing someone's boyfriend
i thought she steals the girlfriend because shes an uWu bisexual butterfly now or something

>>372028
I did read that interpretation in the comments and kind of gathered from the video, but she's the type of girl to call herself bi for clout in my opinion. I feel the same about Bella Thorne.
Bella was on that gay magazine cover and bitched that she's 'lost roles uwu' over being bi and her latest instagram post is her being like hahaha I don't know how to talk to girls lol.
Bitch it's because you are straight as fuck. I bet her and Tana are doing this whole thing for attention and queer baiting because they know to 1-get the views and 2-fags love the crazy 'bad girl' types and will eat that shit up.

Sorry if questioning people's sexualities seems like a cunt move but I honestly feel like Ariana is as straight as they come, as is Bella Thorne.

>>372028
dont be sorry because i agree with you and think most people feel the same way
i dont recall her ever mentioning being attracted to or dating females before this video

>>372026
Also, didn’t she cheat with big sean while he was engaged? Not to he is blameless by any means, he’s trash too, but the song/lyric choice just seems a little “too close to home” for her if you will.

>>372082
Not to say*

>>369241

Singer Céline Dion is seen on January 25, 2019, in Paris.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/30/entertainment/celine-dion-thin/index.html

Céline Dion doesn't much care if you think she's lost too much weight.

Photos of the singer looking more svelte than she has before and rocking haute couture have been causing buzz that she's gotten too thin.

In a recent interview with The Sun's Dan Wootton, Dion brushed off the criticism. "If I like it, I don't want to talk about it," she said. "Don't bother. Don't take a picture."

Dion is now 50 years old and said she's playing with style to find looks that help her "feel attractive."

"I'm doing this for me," the singer said. "I want to feel strong, beautiful, feminine and sexy."

https://www-m.cnn.com/2018/11/14/entertainment/celine-dion-clothing-line/index.html

Celine Dion isn't into gender conformity when it comes to raising her sons.

https://www.cnn.com/videos/entertainment/2018/11/14/celine-dion-chloe-melas-gender-neutral-clothing-pkg-vpx.hln

Doe anyone else think she is trying to pander to the gays by making this video though?
Every gay person I've ever met is OBSESSED with her. Mostly guys but I've seen a few lesbians too.
Ari knows her target audience.

>>372088
She looks way older than 50. Really tragic looking.

>>372093
I think it's just the weightloss though. If she put a bit of weight on, she'd look nice for her age.
Her actual skin looks nice, it's the scrawniness making her look older.

>>369370

Thanks for the heads up, anon! I have been following his antics for a couple of years now. A big part of the problem is that he is being coddled by the courts just as he has been coddled by his father.

Is he still with his third thot fiancee?

Has he called quits on his exclusive upscale sex toy line?

From the article you posted:

A source told the newspaper: 'His son has been living at the Rudloe for a while but it's highly stressful.

'He rows with everyone — his dad, his brother, the staff… he would row with the cat if there was one.'

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/8284015/marco-pierre-white-jr-fine-racist-rant/

Marco Pierre White Jr fined after calling police niggers in racist rant while drunk in train station bar.

Marco was arrested after harassing bar staff at Paddington station in November and was fined £200 after being called 'shameful' by the judge.

THE son of celebrity chef Marco Pierre White racially abused cops while “drunk as a skunk” at a train station bar.

Former Big Brother contestant Marco Pierre White Jr, 23, said “fuck these niggers” as he was arrested.

Police were called after he and three women harassed bar staff at Paddington station in November.

Fining him £200, the judge called him “shameful” and rejected his claim he was rapping to a song with the n-word in it.

Pierre White, of Corsham, Wilts, slurred his words as he admitted drink and racial harassment charges at Hendon magistrates’ court, North London.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-5758113/Marco-Pierre-White-Jr-admits-relapsed-hates-determined-drugs.html

Marco Pierre White Jr has admitted that he's relapsed after managing 48 days sober from drinks and drugs.

The 22-year-old model had previously revealed that he was going sober after his addiction resulted in him being hospitalised and he was coughing up blood.

I feel like this is extremely rude to the designer. Not because "ree dogs are gross" but because the dog is being rough with the fabric.

>>372109
The pup even tries to bite it

>>372105

He proposed on Instagram because of course he did.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-5720849/Marco-Pierre-White-Jr-gets-ENGAGED-Celebrity-Big-Brother-star-proposes-ex-girlfriend.html

He said: 'Got back with one of my exes, not Francesca, and I'm about to propose to her with a 1.5 carat Asprey diamond from 1920. Hope it goes well, wish me luck!'

The next clip saw Marco's mystery fiancée arrive home from work as he kept the camera on his own face, he added: 'Hey baby, how was work? Listen, I was thinking, will you spend the rest of your life with me? Seriously…'

'together for ever my new upgraded sexy kitten…new ring every five years we've agreed.'

Does anyone remember the pedo allegations against Michael Jackson and how they were swept under the rug?
Their resurfacing now in a new documentary coming out in match titled "Leaving Neverland", i read about this on an article and that sparked me to research the allegations,
since i was a kid when the courtcase happened and just assumed he was innocent but…


He really did molest so many boys, im horrified, he got AWAY with it and is still being celebrated, so fucked up.

What do you guys think?

>>372292
The kids that accused him of it came out one by one after her died saying that their parents told him to do it for the money and there's been incidents of police figured out people were lying to cover for celebrity pedos. Some of Woody Allen's victims claimed it was Michael Jackson and later admitted to it being Woody Allen and there was something else behind the Woody Allen víctima claiming it was MJ but I forget. It wasn't so much swept under the rug but moreso since victims grew up and said it wasn't true people stopped talking about.

>>372292
tbh I don't think he did it at all. he was friends with Corey Feldman when he was a child and Corey said he never touched him or tried anything and Corey is VERY outspoken about the sexual abuse he and others endured and the rampant pedophile rings in Hollywood.

>>372415
>>372415
Just because he didnt abuse Corey, doesnt mean he didnt abuse other kids. I actually had exacly this though too at first because of Corey and how outspoken he has been but there have been several charges against him. Until i began looking more into it, some of the shady shit that has went down

>>sleeping with underaged boys in his bed for several nights in a row, and having them in his hotel suites for days while touring
>>switching them up as soon as they age out and reach puberty
>>having a disneyland in his backyard, that just screams pedo to me
>>all the charges against him from different boys
>>a boy describing his erect penis in accurate detail(Jackson had vitiligo and distinct marks) and paying the boys over 20 million usd in hush money to avoid the court (and arrest)
>>the erotica and porn found in his mansion, some of it being with naked pre pubecent children

And thats just the surface stuff.

There is also a new documentary coming out with two of his victim where they are gonna go into great detail about how he abused them for several years titled "Leaving Neverland"

And no boys have taken the accusations back, the only thing of that sort is two boys who defended him( actually the ones starring in the documentary) are now saying that he actually did it and they were frightened and brainwashed because of grooming, so they didnt dare speak up, which i can understand when you are up against such a powerful and rich american icon with a crazy rabid fanbase that worships him like a god and will stalk and harrass his victims both online and in the real world.

What do you guys think of Avril Lavigne? She dropped a new song today

>>372292
Someone made a very comprehensive post on reddit recently about this. It was removed from reddit but you can find it here: https://www.removeddit.com/r/unresolvedmysteries/comments/aoz4f2?sort=confidence
I thought he was innocent, too, until I read it. Guy was a pedo for sure.

RIP Katy Perry's shoe line.

In a statement released Tuesday by the singer and company, they said the shoes were "envisioned as a nod to modern art and surrealism." The singer says she was saddened when she learned they were being compared to blackface and were "immediately removed" from the company's website.

>>372562

Off topic but I hate how Reddit is constantly deleting interesting shit.

>>372526
She's not a cow. I think she's pretty irrelevant since the early 2000s no matter how many times she tries to come back and all her songs make her sound like she's stuck in the 90s with the mentality of a 12 year old.

>>371978
>her album is the least boring
>Daytona was nominated
Soft Cardi stans are sad

>>372292
The money for that documentary came out of David Geffen's pockets, who abused Michael Jackson when he was a child

>>372634
Read this
http://www.removeddit.com/r/unresolvedmysteries/comments/aoz4f2?sort=confidence

>>372562
This made me feel sick. I've always maintained he was innocent, too, back when it was going down, but after realizing how rife with pedophilia show biz is + all the new evidence coming to light, I'm positive he was a pedo.

>>372580
Why the fuck was it deleted though?
tinfoil: Some mod is part of the MJ fan cult

>>372635
This was posted a few hours ago
see >>372562

>>372642
>>372580
I know. Idk if it's because it had pictures of minors or what. I wouldn't be surprised if Sony or whoever sicced their lawyers on it though.

>>372415
Uh…I read something about MJ having boys in his bed and it was in an article related to corey. That shit doesn't sound correct right off the bat.

>>372562
>Michael begins to cry, saying: “We’re a family! Don’t you trust me?”
Wow that's fucking weird and creepy, but most of all, manipulative. What a scumbag.

>>372415
Michael befriended famous boys like Macaulay Culkin and Cory Feldman on purpose and never touched them, because if any of the other boys would accuse him of being a pedo, he could easily get away with this since both Corey and Macauley say otherwise until this day. It was a calculating strategy and I am sure Michael had complicity. That makes me really sick…

>>372633
I didn't follow the show but Cardi fucking B won over DAYTONA? Wow utter garbage as always.

Amazing album, I'd say the best out of the Wyoming sessions w Kanye. Def my favorite of the year.

Noah is 19 years old with that unmoving plastic surgery visage. She's got nowhere to go but down from here.

>>372717
Poor girl…she wasn't exactly born ugly but rather unconventionally looking. I guess she hoped she would look like Kylie Jenner after some ps. Her parents should be sued because they let her get ps as an undeveloped teen.

I won't call it necessarily stealing, more like a cover and "filler material".

>>372717

She needs to sue whoever did her face. The pimp suit isn’t helping either.

>>372562

How about we archive it, too.

http://archive.is/RDf5O

>>372756
Your great anon.


I wanted to share this, a former special friend of MJ, who slept in his bed on numerous occasions alone with him, also the son of late John Lennon made a disturbing song with an equally disturbing video depicting MJ.

>>372767
…okay i'll just post the link then
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxH8Bc0cHok

>>372526
av is pure cringe. she needs to stop making this cheerleader music already shes like 33 years old. thought she was gonna finally do some music appropriate for her age after "head under water" and then i heard that intro.

>>372088
I remember thinking she looked cute in these candids. This was less than two years ago. Her brain must be fried from the grooming René did to her.

>>372526
i liked when she was a tomboy, her first album was my favorite but her later albums got really weird and "rawk chick".

>>372822
im sorry but her first album was unironically a timelessly enjoyable work of art

>>372526

She needs to stick with songs like Head Under Water.

This is awful

>>372756
None of this changes my mind and none of it is new information that hadn't already been poured over by thousands of people. He is and was innocent.

>>372818
She looks much better here. I hope she gets help because she clearly is losing it

>>372562
when you read the transcripts it's clear there was something fucked up going on there. Even the interview with Culkin, who defended MJ, yet spilled so much problematic stuff.
Even if you believe MJ didn't molest anyone, you gotta acknowledge he was clearly not right in the head to do other "legal" things with those boys. And knowing that those things are true, confirmed by many people and MJ himself… it's suddenly not that hard to believe he would molest children. Because stuff that is confirmed is very troubling. Like sleeping alone in the same bed or staying alone in the same hotel rooms, including himself in their plans, trips, dominating their time, talking on the phone for hours, love-bombing, buying expensive gifts… whatever your opinion is, this is grooming. Not "loving children uwu". There's no discussion here.
So it's really not that hard to believe.

>>372855
This. No normal man does this with children, especially children that are not biologically his own. He wasn't in a relationship and he spent all his time trying to relive his stolen childhood. I have no doubt he messed with boys. It's disturbing, and people defending him are wrong.

>>372526
This is so incredibly annoying. I know people will love it though because the gays will be screaming about how she's a "queen" and can do no wrong. This kind of music doesn't suit her voice. I feel like she's going to be another Madonna: dressed like a stripper, hanging around with younger celebrities and throwing out songs that were written by middle-aged men who think they know what the kidz want well past retirement age.

>>372857
I don't understand how people can be ok with all the creepy shit he did with children and insist that he never took it further.

>>372562

i hate that i still love his music, because he's clearly a predator.

>>372872

If you can't separate the person from the art, there's so few people that you can enjoy anymore.

David Bowie, MJ, Ceelo Green, Miramax films, Rolf Harris…

Nicki Minaj thinks that all black women are jealous and out to get her and it has nothing to do with defending and dating a rapist/murderer and claiming that the girl who was kidnapped and held at knife point was just some girl he slept with and the parents got mad.

>>372927
Miramax films?

>>372967
founded by Harvey Weinstein

>>372927
Wait what's the scoop on David Bowie? I never cared for him tbh.

>>372979
>>372979
I think he took a 13 yos virginity or something

Also everyone forgets but Jimmy page kidnapped and locked that same girl up. Not difficult for me to disregard much of the work men create tbh. I'm not crazy about any of it tbh. It's all overhyped

>>372848
He really wasnt.
https://mjandboys.wordpress.com

>>372979
>>372996
There were a lot of underage groupies in the 70s, and Bowie statutory raped at least one 13 year old groupie. It's so sickening, the youngest "baby groupies" were like 12 and pretty much every famous male rock musician had sex with them and nobody cared and so many people defend these musicians by saying that the groupies wanted it or that they are lying for fame.

>>372848
wew
fucking
lad lmao

If MJ is not a pedo then why he lost interest in his ~special friends~ when they grew up?

>>373004
fucking nasty. I read all about Bowie's groupies. Same with the Rolling stones. I feel bad for these girls. they should respect themselves, but the artists should know better. We live in a society where a woman can be underaged and no one bats an eye if she's doing something sexual with a man twice her senior.

>>372848
he had 'nonsexual' books in his house of naked children, specifically naked boys. like ????

>>373117
Because MJ was himself as mature as a child, being unable to connect with adults. His family fucked him up real good.

>>373204
cool motive, still a pedo.

Ryan Adams Dangled Success. Women Say They Paid a Price.

Several women say Adams offered to jumpstart their music careers, then pursued them sexually and in some cases retaliated when they spurned him. He denies the claims.

In interviews, seven women and more than a dozen associates described a pattern of manipulative behavior in which Adams dangled career opportunities while simultaneously pursuing female artists for sex. In some cases, they said, he would turn domineering and vengeful, jerking away his offers of support when spurned, and subjecting women to emotional and verbal abuse, and harassment in texts and on social media. The accounts have been corroborated by family members or friends who were present at the time, as well as by correspondence from Adams reviewed by The New York Times.

From a teenager living in a small town to his ex-wife, the singer and actress Mandy Moore, these artists said Adams exploited and then stifled their ambitions. “Music was a point of control for him,” Moore said.

When Adams began corresponding online with a fan, Ava, in 2013, she was a 14-year-old bass player already forging a career.

But their correspondence about music turned into graphic texting. Eventually, Ava said, they conducted video calls on Skype, where Adams exposed himself during phone sex.

The Times has reviewed extensive communication between the two, including 3,217 text messages they exchanged over a nine-month period when Ava was 15 and 16. (The Times is identifying Ava, now 20, by her middle name because she was a minor during their online relationship. They never met in person.)

(continue reading)

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/13/arts/music/ryan-adams-women-sex.html

>>373204
I’d have been more surprised if MJ Didn’t turn out to be a totally fucked up pedophile drug addict like haven’t the people seen his face?? He even age regressed in interviews sometimes. He 100% got molested by the Kevin Spaceys of his time. Typical Hollywood shit tbh

>>373447
What always seems to be looked over with the MJ sleeps with kids thing is that part of the never land ranch/foundation had hospital beds for terminally ill make a wish foundation kids. They always had medical nurses on site, the beds were in a room with a built in theater and adjacent to the fun fair.

It's always overlooked that MJ set up so many worldwide charities like Heal The World etc. That he himself was a child abuse victim and used his fortune to be charitable and kind.

He had two rare skin diseases that causes skin discolouration like the models we celebrate today for being diverse. He used make up to even his skin tone to avoid the constant slander he would receive by the press. He was a very ill man and overworked himself to support so many people that came to rely on him.

He was naive and had an obsession with anime. He was essentially a giant weeb and people think he was trying to emulate a white person? He was obsessed with anime culture and also as a dancer was obsessed with form and ballet. Look at the Scream music video ffs that broke world records because he wanted to use cutting edge technology to live an anime fantasy lol.

The current allegations coming out in that documentary are by two people that have been proven to be fraudsters and liars before. He was investigated over a decade, subjected to humiliating horrible dehumanising medical examinations. He proved his innocence. A man as rich as MJ and hated by the press would not have success proving innocence if there were victims out there.

Children were never alone around him or in his bedrooms. There were bed bound kids invited with their families and specilists to events at neverland he would provide the environment that would allow them to have some joy before their short lives end.

Of course MJ got villinised. He was good, rich and put his power to charitable means.

Also the documentary coming out is essentially a cash grab. The MJ estate is being sued or investigated. I can't be arsed linking on my phone, but it's in the MJ estate that his name gets slandered and defamed so their outstanding lawsuits can reflect how little they initially valued his worth.

>>373204
So in denial.
Read the evidence and the transcripts, even after MJ had kids he had a "special" friend who slept in his be alone with him.
He has begged and cried to parents to manipulate them to let their son slep in his be alone for days and weeks at a time, NEVER girls alone, ALWAYS cute little boys.

>>373204
Also, for a "child" he sure had a lot of gay porn, childrens erotica and BDSM porn found at his house…

>>373463

>He had two rare skin diseases that causes skin discolouration which made his penis identifiable.

ftfy

>>373463
>Children were never alone around him or in his bedrooms. There were bed bound kids invited with their families and specilists to events at neverland he would provide the environment that would allow them to have some joy before their short lives end.
girl you've read some nice fairytale, but didn't care to look over actual case transcripts. Every interviewed kid (and I'm not talking accusers but those who defended Michael) admitted under oath that multiple times they were alone with him in his bedroom. Alone in hotel rooms. Alone in bed. Sleeping with him alone in his bed in his bedroom ffs. Like you can't just erase that because it doesn't fit your cute little story about how big of an angel he had been.

>>373463
>What always seems to be looked over with the MJ sleeps with kids thing is that part of the never land ranch/foundation had hospital beds for terminally ill make a wish foundation kids. They always had medical nurses on site, the beds were in a room with a built in theater and adjacent to the fun fair.

Wow… So, because he helped some kids, its fine and acceptable for him to sleep alone for days at a time with them? After he was accused of child molestation several times? Even the ones trying to save his skin admit to sleeping alone in his bed.

https://mjandboys.wordpress.com/2016/04/24/michael-jackson-macaulay-culkin/
-Transcripts from a Macaulay Culkin(Q is Culkin)

>Q. Would it be safe to say that 90 percent of
the time you stayed there?
>A. In his bedroom?
>Q. Yes.
>A. I don’t think it would be 90 percent. It
would be —
>Q. 80 percent?
>A. It would be — I slept in his room about as often as I fell asleep anywhere. Like, I fell asleep — I would flop down — we’d fall asleep in the movie theater. He has beds in the movie theater. I’d flop down and fall asleep there. I’ve fallen asleep in the video game machines before. I mean, I’ve — I would go and play there basically until I’d just run myself out, and I would just flop down wherever I needed to.
______________
>Q. All right. Is there — was there at the time an alarm on his door going into his bedroom?

>A. There was like a walkway kind of thing where if somebody was approaching the door, it would kind of like “ding-dong, ding-dong.”

>Q. All right. Do you remember hearing any “ding-dongs, ding-dongs” as your father came into the room?

>A. When anyone would approach the room, yeah, you’d hear this kind of — soft kind of alarm, like “ding-dong” kind of thing.

>>373472
Quotes from Frank Cascio's book
"My Friend Michael
- An Ordinary Friendship with an Extraordinary Man"
https://mjandboys.wordpress.com/2016/05/01/michael-jacksonfrankeddiedominic-jr-cascio-1993-2005/

> “Of course, Lisa Marie had to understand that in marrying Michael she was not signing on to a conventional life. But it wouldn’t surprise me to learn that she had no idea of how much time he actually spent with us, or if she did know that she had assumed his priorties would begin to shift once he was married.” ~ Frank Cascio

>“When they split up at the end of 1995, Michael claimed that one of the main reasons was that Lisa was jealous of us and the relationship he had with us. He preferred spending time with us to spending it with her.”~ Frank Cascio

>“Whether Bill intended it to be so or not, his verbal dressingdown of Eddie and me was a turning point in my life, a moment that instilled in me an early instinct to protect Michael and his reputation, even from his own actions, if necessary. We were the kids, it was true, but when it came to Michael’s impulses, sometimes we would have to be the adults. We had to think of the consequences to his image and reputation at all times, even when he didn’t.” ~ Frank Cascio

>” But when Michael came to town, I had another life. After school, my brother Eddie and I, and sometimes our younger brother Dominic, would go to the city, spend the night with Michael, then wake up early to be driven back to New Jersey in Michael’s car.” – Frank Cascio

In the letter Marie Nicole says:

"Dom, Angel, Frank were all your babies and since I am a girl I can’t be.

They get whatever they want whenever they want I can’t. Golf carts, quads, they all got to sleep with you and I never did. Face it I know I am not liked by you all. (Applehead club)"
Image of letter: https://mjandboys.files.wordpress.com/2016/05/nicole-letter.png

>>373474
https://mjandboys.wordpress.com/2016/05/11/michael-jackson-sean-lennon-1984-unknown/

>“It’s a weird story, but I didn’t touch him. We (Lennon & Ronson) used to watch the porn channel because we were like, 10 and ‘Oh my god (boobs)!’ So Michael was in bed. And me and Sean said,’Michael, do you want to see something cool?’ We turned the dial to the porn channel and there were strippers shaking their (boobs) around. We were like, ‘Michael, Michael, how cool is this?’ We turned around and he was cringing, saying,’Ooh stop it,stop it,ohh, it’s so silly.’ We were like,’Michael, you have to look, maybe your not seeing it right, it’s naked girls!’ He was not down with the program whatsoever! I think he had really strong feminist views on porn.” ~ Mark Ronson

>” I may have spent more time with him than almost anybody else.” ~ Sean Lennon

About a song he wrote about Michael with disturbing lyrics with an equally disturbing video ( video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxH8Bc0cHok )

> “Um, I was there and the song is indeed strictly autobiographical. The point is that we (the kids), were all discarded when we were too old to play with, just like bubbles. The song is good. You just don’t get it. Bubbles was my friend and I will write what I want regardless of the opinion of twats ;). ” ~ Sean Lennon (On twitter, to MJ fanatics)

>>373472
>>373474
>>373475
And these men claim he DIDNT do anything, if you want i can also make a summary of the ones that are SAYING he DID molest them.

>>373475
Song Lyrics:

BUBBLES BURST:
"In 1983
In a Texas facility
He was just a few months old when they
Told him he was sold

They flew the primate pet
Upon a private jet
And off to Neverland where he
Met the impish man

Feasting on candy
And dressed like a dandy
Bubbles was treated
Like no other chimpanzee
Transported to a planet made of toys, bananas, and games

Childhoods end
And Bubbles burst

We met in the arcade
Playing video games
We both could not believe it was
Like living in a dream

We didn’t understand
Dancing with Peter Pan
What would be the result when we
Turned into young adults"

Seriously, watch the video and keep these lyrics in mind, i feel this his way of saying what Michael did to him without being attacked by his fans and family.

Poor boy…

>>373476
Yeah I'd be interested in rereading the court transcripts again of his victims if you want.

Amazing how the fbi and court system seemed to miss all the evidence.

>>373481
Sure thing, May take a while but i will start now, i'm passionate about these victims getting their justice.

And yes, its baffeling. But when your a rich famous megastar it seems you get away with everything, even the public.

>>373463
>>373204
These posts are textbook examples of that MJ cult shit mentioned in the removeddit post, lmao.

>>373478
from the video it appears that everything in black&white is the general view of how things were and when it switches to claymation and colors that's his personal view of things(with the district attorney and paparazzi at the ranch) and the lyrics does nothing to contrast this as far as i can tell, like he just misses that time in his life and is sad about being discarded?

>>373478
I don't really see the sexual connotations in the video, it seems like >>373495 says, wanting to go back in time and in mj case not wanting to face reality. Still I do believe the possibilityof MJ having "special kids" to abuse, less know and maybe with shitty family relationships or just living in bad conditions.

>>373495
So you didnt find it odd he was hiding under the sheets in a bed from Michael, being frightened, then when Michael whips out a banana, squirts milk on himself and licks a lollipop trying to entice the boy?

Him teaching him how to dance grabbing his crotch along the lyrics "We did not understand, dancing with peter pan" and after moonwalking him from behind up to his crotch and proceeding to pet him on the head for doing him weel along with the lyrics "what would be the result when we turned into young adults"

The two of them licking a lollipop together in a bathtub?

I think the bright claymotion part is symbolizing that the grooming was successful, and when the police shows up and him flying the ape and himself away from them into space is symbolizing that he got away with it and continued to groom and molest kids.
Also the heart around them in the last scene.
And the overall atmosphere being dark and in gray with disturbing instrumentals.


This is just my opinion though, he himself said that the meaning was different, but again TO ME i find it odd to include those very suggestive shots and grim lyrics to someone you had a great time with who never did anything atleast sexually undertoned to you.

But i do agree about him also feeling hurt about being abandoned, like he was just used and then thrown away after.

MICHAEL JACKSON ACCUSERS RESUME:
I'd like to start of by saying that i got most of my resources from this page
some very hardworking people have compiled all this evidence: https://mjandboys.wordpress.com/

JAMES SAFECHUCK (1987-1992) https://mjandboys.wordpress.com/2016/11/13/michael-jackson-and-james-safechuck-1987-1992/

James met Michael Jackson during the filming of a Pepsi Commercial, in which the two of them worked together. This was in 1987, when James was nine years old
After finishing the Commercial, Jackson wanted to stay in contact with the 9-year-old boy. It was March 1987, when Jackson wrote a letter to James:

"DEAR JIMMY,
THANK YOU FOR YOUR LETTER. IT WAS NICE HEARING FROM YOU AGAIN!
I’VE BEEN WORKING ON A NEW VIDEO FOR MY ALBUM AND HAVE BEEN REALLY BUSY.
IT WAS FUN WORKING WITH YOU ON THE PEPSI COMMERCIAL! MAYBE WE CAN WORK TOGETHER AGAIN. I’D LIKE TO HAVE YOU COME AND VISIT ME ON THE SET SOMETIME OR WHEN I HAVE SOME FREE TIME YOU CAN COME TO MY HOUSE.
KEEP SENDING ME LETTERS! I LOVE TO HEAR FROM YOU!
SPEAK WITH YOU SOON, MICHAEL JACKSON"

After receiving the letter, James’ whole family was invited by Michael to have dinner with him at his home in Encino, California.
During this visit, Jackson gave the 9-year-old 700 dollars. His parents didn’t know about this present and as soon as they found out, they asked Jackson not to give James money. Then 28 year old Jackson answered that he could not help himself.


On Thanksgiving day, James and his family invited Jackson to their home. The meetings between the Safechuck family and Jackson became normal and regular.
During his many visits to the Hayvenhurst house, James would “hang out” with MJ in his bedroom and spend time with him in his music studio. Moreover, Jackson gave him a thriller jacket that he needed to give back a few years later.

The bond between Jackson and a 9-year-old boy grew so strong that MJ became a part of the Safechuck family and he would always visit them when he felt alone or lonely. According to James Safechuck, there was no molestation in 1987.


James joined the Bad Tour in June 1988 and travelled with Jackson until December, when the Bad Tour was finally finished in Japan. According to James, the first incident of sexual abuse occurred during the Paris portion of the Bad Tour in June 25-29, 1988.
After the first sexual molestation took place, James began sleeping in Michael’s bed on a regular basis until the Bad Tour ended. As James says, Jackson explained the sexual acts as a “way of showing love”. James, who was only 10 years old, believed him. On another occasion during the Bad Tour in 1988, Michael referred to this activity as “selling me some,” because Jackson would give James jewelry after he did this, as a “reward.”

In or about 1988, Michael and James even “married” with a wedding ring and a signed document. During every phone conversation they had, Jackson wanted to hear that James loves him. James also claims that Michael was paranoid about anybody finding out about the molestation and didn’t really trust James’ ability to stay quiet.

When James was 12 years old, Michael started a seperation phase with James, telling him that he would have other friends and that they would continue later on.

Jackson’s disinterest in Jimmy was also testified to by the French couple Philip Lemarque and Stella Marcroft. The couple worked for nine months as cooks at the Ranch. That’s what the couple stated on August 28, 1993:

>STELLA: Yes. [Jimmy Safechuck] was there very often, but then he got too old and stopped coming to the ranch.
>PHILIP: He would call all the time, but Michael would say, “Tell him I’m not here.” Then he’d smile about it.

James Safechuck’s civil complaint + court documents:
https://www.scribd.com/document/324761203/James-Safechuck-September-19-2016-Second-Amended-Complaint?campaign=VigLink&ad_group=xxc1xx&source=hp_affiliate&medium=affiliate

MICHAEL JACKSON ACCUSERS RESUME PART 2:
I'd like to start of by saying that i got most of my resources from this page
some very hardworking people have compiled all this evidence: https://mjandboys.wordpress.com/

WADE ROBSON (1990-1997) https://mjandboys.wordpress.com/2016/05/06/wade-robson-michael-jackson/
-Wade Robson was a defender of Michael Jackson until 2013. In 2013, he firstly claimed that he was sexually abused by Michael from age 7 until age 14.

Wade won a dance contest at age 5. The prize was meeting Michael Jackson & when Jackson came to Australia during his Bad Tour, he met 5-year-old Wade Robson in his hotel suite.
Michael told the family that if they ever come to the US, they should look him up. He met Michael again in the Record one recording studios. Jackson invited the whole family to his ranch for the weekend, and it was then that Wade Robson became close to Jackson.
During the first weekend that the family stayed at the ranch, Wade stayed in Michael’s bed without his 10-year-old sister or his parents on the second night. Here the alleged abuse started. Wade stated that Michael molested him from day one.

The weekend after this weekend, the family again stayed at Neverland. Afterwards, Michael took Wade and his mother to Las Vegas & they visited Siegfried and Roy. The rest of the family was not with him (sister and father). During every night, Wade was molested by Jackson.
In Vegas, Wade’s mother was having a suite and Wade & Michael had one together. After this vacation,Wade and his family returned to Australia.

4 times in the next 2 years. Wade was always staying with Michael for a couple of weeks. Sometimes, Michael would even call Joy Robson (Wade’s mother), while they were in the US saying that she should bring Wade to him late at night.

When Wade stayed with Michael, Jackson motivated Wade to call him “Dad”. Jackson explained the sexual acts to Wade as “acts of love” and told the child that “he loves him”. Jackson added that no one would understand “their love”, because people are ignorant. Wade received the nickname “little one”, by his mentor Michael Jackson.

In 1991, when Wade was about 8 years old, the Robsons moved to the USA & he visited Neverland quite often. His parents wanted Wade to become really succesfull & everyone knows this more or less only works in America. (Wade was a dancer who worked with big profile names including Britney Spears, Usher, Justin Timberlake etc)
Wade & Michael also worked together. Wade appeared in MJ’s music videos ‘Black or White’, Jam’ & ‘Heal the world’.

The 8-year-old still shared Jackson’s bed until he was 14. During all those sleepovers, Jackson molested him. Their last sleepover was in 1997 when Robson was 14. While they were living in the US, Wade always visited Michael on his own, without his parents. He said that he spent 25 weekends at Neverland, aged 8-14. At the age of 14, Michael even sodomized Wade Robson, according to his complaint. After the anal sex, Wade’s molestation ended for whatever reasons.

When in 1993, the first child sex abuse claim was made, Wade says (now) that Michael manipulated him on the phone. He was at the time 11.
In court in 2005, Wade was 23, he was defending Michael, saying he never touched him in a sexual way. Wade was imperturbable in defending Michael. He was a big reason why Michael was found innocent in 2005. The court couldn’t bring him down. The court documents are now open to everyone, just look it up. The court tried to to make him uncertain by showing Wade some homoerotic books that were found in Neverland: https://www.mjfacts.com/was-child-pornography-found-in-michael-jacksons-home/

>Wade: “It seems more loving in a way, like not so much about sex.”
_________________________________________
>Court: “Is it a fact, as you look through that book, what is depicted throughout that book are series of photographs two men engaged in sex acts with one another?”

>Wade: “Yes.”

>Court: “And in fact, the sex acts are all acts, of either mastrubation, oral sex, or sodomy, is that right?”

>Wade:”From what I saw, yes.”

>Court: “And sodomy, as you understand, is an act of anal sex, is that correct?”

>Wade: “Yes.”

>Court: “Would you be concerned about a person who possesses that book, crawling into bed with a 10-year-old boy?”

>Wade: “Yeah, I guess so.”
_______________________________________

>Court: “Is it true, Mr.Robson, that all of the pictures in the book are of boys, about the same age?”

>Wade: “Yes.”

>Court: “10, 11, 12 years old?”

>Wade: “Yes.”

>Court: “And that many of the photographs, if not most most of the photographs, depicted in that book are of boys nude(naked); is that correct?”

>Wade: “Yes.”

>Court: “And in fact, in most of those pictures, the genitalia is prominently displayed; is that right?”

>Wade: “Yes.”

>Court: “Would you be concerned about having your 12-year-old child in bed with a person who possesses a book like that?”

>Wade: “No.”

>Court: “You would have no such concern?”

>Wade: “No. It’s to me not a pornographic book. It’s sort of-I don’t know, just a book.”
________________________________

Wade being analyzed by an expert: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ORrKcZsslk


Both Robson and Safechuck will be appearing in the documentary "Leaving Neverland" airing on HBO sometime in march

>>373469

Ryan has been an asshole on twitter for a while now so I can’t imagine what he’s like in person. Always wondered why Mandy Moore didn’t do much during those years and now it all makes sense.

MICHAEL JACKSON ACCUSERS RESUME PART 3:
I'd like to start of by saying that i got most of my resources from this page
some very hardworking people have compiled all this evidence: https://mjandboys.wordpress.com/

JORDAN CHANDLER (1992-1993) https://mjandboys.wordpress.com/2016/04/26/jordan-chandler-michael-jackson-19921993/
-The FIRST accuser

He was the reason, why people started to wonder about Jackson’s friendships with young boys and he brought Michael Jackson his first huge scandal, it was (in 1993) 13-year-old Jordan (Jordy) Chandler.

It was May 1992, Michael Jackson met his later accuser Jordan Chandler who was 12 years old and a half at the time, at a car rental agency which was owned by the boy’s stepfather David Schwarz. David knew that Jordy was a big fan of Jackson and told Jackson: “You don’t have to pay for the car, just take this number & call Jordy.”
From May 1992 to January 1993, Jackson kept phone contact with the young boy. Jackson sometimes called Jordy 8-10 times a day and there was one conversation that took 3 hours. In this call, Michael talked about the things he liked, like video games or playing water fights & also about his Neverland Ranch. About Neverland, Jackson told the boy that he was having a zoo full of animals, a movie theater and golf carts. Jackson told the boy that he was having a zoo full of animals, a movie theater and golf carts. Later, Jackson started to talk about his famous friends. Jordy said that the main topic of their phone conversations was Neverland & that he dreamed about going there one day. Michael told the boy on the phone that Neverland is named after Peter Pan, because he is Peter Pan in his heart. While those conversations took place, MJ was on tour.

It was February 1993, Jordy and his family visited Neverland for the first time & during the visit, Jordy was not staying in Jackson’s room but in the guest area overnight. They were there for a weekend, as Jordy said. Jordy added that Michael took him and his sister to Toys-R-Us , while it was closed. Jackson allowed Jordy to take everything he wants. After that, Michael & Jordy also went to the Century City Apartment, where they were just playing video games & nothing special happend.

Their first trip together was to Las Vegas, where they stayed at the Mirage Hotel. As Jordy said, Michael had his room, Jordy had his own & his sister + mother shared one in the beginning at least. During one night, Michael put on the very scary movie the Exorcist, when Jordy’s mother and his sister were already sleeping. This was the first night, in which Jordy slept in Michael’s bed because he was scared & as Jordy stated: Nothing happend that night. The next morning, Jordy told his mum that he and Jackson shared a bed & June Chandler was really upset about that. MJ started to cry and convinced June that there is nothing wrong about the boy sharing his bed. The Las Vegas trip took 7 days & out of those 7 days, Jordy spent 2 or 3 nights with Michael. June Chandler allowed her now 13-year-old son to spend the night with Michael and so they did until the end of their relationship.

It was March 1993, the Chandlers visited Neverland again. Jordy spent the night in Michael’s bed, while his family was staying in guest rooms. The guest area was far away from Michael’s room. In one of those nights, Jordy claims that Michael searched body contact for the first time. As he said, Jackson leaned over & hugged him on the bed, while he said: “I love you, good night.”

According to Jordan’s claims, the molestation started then. It was March 1993, they flew to Florida, where Jordy claims, things would get more sexual than just kissing and hugging/cuddeling. Jackson grabbed his butt & Jackson started to kiss him with tongue, while doing this Jordy felt that the singer had an erection & he said to the 13-year-old as he went in the bathroom: (context of it): They shouldn’t be ashamed to be naked in front of each other.

In early May 1993, Jackson flew with the Chandlers to Monaco, to the World Music Awards. On this vacation, Jordy says things got even more worse. Jackson convinced the boy to take a bath with him, fully naked. Jackson masturbated the underage boy for the first time. He asked Jordy how it feels & when Jordy said that it feels good, Jackson went on doing it until the end. Jackson told Jordy a lot of times, to tell no one about what they were doing, because other people wouldn’t understand ‘their love’. Jordy told his psychiatrist Dr. Richard Gardner that Jackson told him about other boys who masturbated in front of him, including “a boy who went on the Bad tour” with him.

In late May 1993, Jordy said they were starting to have oral-sex. Furthermore, Jordy claimed that there was never an anal contact & he added that when he onced told MJ that he didn’t like a sexual act (kissing his ear), Jackson never did it again. Even though all of this took place, Jordy believed that Michael was a child himself or at least was at the same age as Jordy psychologically.

Michael also spent a lot of time in Jordy’s house with him doing homework etc. When Jackson once slept in Jordy’s room, a family member saw them cuddeling like a wife and a husband would do. Michael was again able to convince the family to let him do that.

It was June 1993, Jordan’s biological father Evan Chandler spoke for the first time with his ex-wife about his son and Michael Jackson. Evan told June that he believes Jordy is gay. June answered that she would have no problem with Jordy being gay. In Evan’s mind it was a confession that she knew Jordy and Michael had a sexual relationship and that she would have no problem with it (All that Glitters, page 55).

After that, Evan Chandler went to the lawyer Barry Rothman because he wanted to end the relationship between Jackson & the boy as fast as he could.
It was August 1993, a meeting between the lawyers on both sides, Jackson, Evan & Jordy Chandler took place. It was then, when it it was first mentioned to give the family millions of dollars if the Chandlers do not accuse Jackson. What did Jackson have to hide?
However, the Chandlers didn’t put Jackson on trial & they took the money in the end. But the case had gone public. Jackson defended himself & claimed that the boy is lying.
In December 1993, Jackson’s body was photographed by police men, because Jordy was able to describe Michael’s naked body, including Jackson’s penis.

AFTER THAT: Jackson was now 100% sure to pay millions of dollars, because he simply had to. A lot of evidence was speaking against him. Jordan alone received 15 million, each parent got 1 million dollars.

https://www.mjfacts.com/resources/chandler-declaration.pdf
https://www.mjfacts.com/psychiatric-interview-with-jordie-chandler/

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(C is Chandler)

>P: “Most people would consider it sexual to sleep in bed with a person. How long was the time frame from the time you first saw him in the flesh, and the time you slept in bed with him?”

>C: “I don’t know.”

>P: “But it was in February when you started sleeping in the bed with him.”

>C: “Right, right. I’m really not even sure if it was in February, but – – ”

>P: “Okay, but phase two then was a short period.”

>C: “Right.”

>P: “Maybe about a month, or less then a month?”

>C: “I don’t know.”

>P: “Okay, we’ll put that in as a question mark. Now what I want to know is in that phase, what kinds of things did you do with him, before you slept in bed with him?”

>C: “Well, we went to his Neverland.”

>C: “Who’s we?”

>C: “Me, my mother and Kelly, my sister, my half-sister.”

>P: “What happened there?”

>C: “Nothing happened. I slept in the guest area with my mother and Kelly, and Michael stayed in his room.”

>P: “How long were you at Neverland?”

>C: “I think for a weekend.”

>P: “Do you know if it was Friday or Saturday or Sunday? Was it two days or three days?”

>C: “I don’t know.”

>P: “What did you do?”

>C: “We went jet skiing on a small lake he has.”

>P: “What else did you do there?”

>C: “We saw the animals and played video games.”

>P: “You did those things with him?”

>C: “Yeah.”

>P: “So these activities were with him? What other kind of activities did you do with him?”

>C: “We took golf cart rides.”

>P: “With Kelly and your mother?”

>C: “Occasionally, like, half and half. They would go off sometimes.”

>P: “Who’s they?”

>C: “My mother and Kelly.”

>P: “How many visits were there to Neverland in that time frame?”

>C: “I don’t remember.”

>P: “So we’re still in phase two now. Anything else besides the visits to Neverland in phase two?”

>C: “We may have gone to the Century City apartment.”

>P: “Who was with you?”

“Michael and I. I can’t remember if my mom (inaudible).”

“Then what happened? Is that the end of phase two? Were there calls during phase two?”

“Yeah.”

“Calls lasting three hours?”

“Yeah. Oh yeah, I just remembered. When we were at Neverland we went to Toys-R-Us, when it was closed. My sister and I could get anything we wanted.”

“They opened the store for him, is that it?”

“Right.”

“How much would you buy?”

“A lot. We got to take along shopping carts and fill them up.”

“Do you have any idea what the cost of that was?”

“No.”

“What kinds of things did you get, do you remember?”

“Video games (inaudible).”

“Anything else in phase two?”

“No.”

“Going back to phase one. I know you don’t have a record of the times he called you, but if

you could guess offhand the total number of telephone calls in phase one, what would you say it

was? Not only the three-hours calls, but the calls that were shorter as well, what would you

say?”

“I believe ten.”

“Now, let’s go into phase three.”

“Do you think phase three should be subdivided or would you just like to describe it as how things evolved?”

“I don’t really know because – – can we fill that question in later?”

“Sure.”

“Phase three began, I would say, when we were on the trip to Las Vegas. We stayed at the Mirage Hotel.”

“On a trip, and to the best of your recollection that was when?”

“I can’t really remember. I think late February or so.”

“Okay, that was after the trip to Neverland, after the Toys-R-Us. In Century City, did anything special happen?”

“No, not that I can remember. We just played video games.”

“He had the video games there?”

“When you say we, who was we?”

“My mother, Kelly and I.”

[Sort break].

“What happened in Las Vegas?”

“My mom and Kelly shared a room. Michael had his own room. It was a big suite.”

“Was Kelly in the same room with you?”

“No, with my mom, and I had my own room.”

“You had your room, Kelly and your Mom had a room, and Michael had a room.”

“That’s right.”

“Was it connected or in separate places? Was it one big suite?”

“It was a big suite, yeah.”

“Go ahead”

“Let’s see, one night – – “

“How long were you there?”

“I don’t know, maybe a week.”

“What happened that night?”

“After my mom and Kelly went to sleep, we went to watch the movie The Exorcist. We were in his room, in his bed. And when it was over I was scared, and he said, why don’t you just stay in here. And I did and nothing happened.”

“When you say you stayed in the room – – ”

“Stayed in the same bed.”

“Slept in the same bed?”

“That’s right.”

“When you slept in the same bed was there any physical contact?”

“No.”

“Was it a big bed?”

“Yeah, I think so.”

“So there was no physical contact. What were your thoughts when he said let’s sleep in the same bed?”

“Well, I was scared, and I didn’t think anything was going to happen.”

“You were scared of him or scared of the movie?”

“The movie. So I said, ‘Okay, that’s fine.” It was like a regular slumber party.”

“Okay, is there anything else to say about that event?”

“Just simply that we talked about how they got the idea for The Exorcist. So the next morning, I was with my mom alone and – – ”

“Did your mother know that you had slept in bed with him?”

“Well, I’m getting to that. I said, ‘I slept with Michael in the same bed last night,’ and she said, ‘Well, just don’t do it again’.”

“Did she speak to Michael at all?”

“Well, I’ll get to that. So when I told Michael the news of the fact that she said don’t do that again – don’t sleep in the same bed – we were alone, Michael and I, and he burst out in tears and said, ‘She can’t set up barricades like that,’ and ‘Nothing could happen, it’s just a simple slumber

party type thing,’ and ‘There’s nothing wrong with it’.”

“He said, nothing will happen, there’s nothing wrong with it, and it’s like a slumber party?”

“Right. And so, he came – – I don’t remember if I was crying or not but he decided that he had to confront my mom with his feelings about what she said. What he told me he said, ‘There’s nothing wrong with it, you should allow it because it’s simple and fun and you shouldn’t set up barricades.’ And he got my mom feeling so guilty that she just broke down in tears and decided that, okay, I believe you. And Michael somehow got her to agree that there would be no further questions asked. And so from that point on I was in his bed till the end of our relationship.”

“So, are you saying from then on you were in his bed – – are you talking about the Las Vegas trip, or from then on all the time?”

“All the time.”

“You said to the best of your recollection the Las Vegas trip was one week. How many times did you sleep in his bed?”

“I’d say maybe two or three.”

“Okay, was there any physical contact?”

“No.”

“Was there any undressing in front of you?”

“No.”

“Did you undress in front of him?”

“No.”

“Okay, alright that’s Las Vegas. Are we finished with Las Vegas? Is there anything else to say about Las Vegas?”

“No, that’s it.”

“Okay, bring me to the next step then.”

“Well, when we got back to L.A. our friendship was a lot more close than when we had left, and so we saw each other more. And we quite frequently went up to his ranch.”

“And each time you were there you would sleep in bed with him?”

“Yeah. And my mom and Kelly would stay in that same guest place.”

“And how far was that guest place from the room you slept in?”

“It was far, it was quite a lot. Know where the bathrooms are? From here to the bathrooms.”

[Jordie is describing the distance from the interview room to the bathrooms in the building in

which Dr. Gardner’s office is located.]

“That’s like a block away. It’s the equivalent of a city block.”

“No, it’s smaller than that.”

“Half a block away?”

“I can’t really remember, but that’s about right.”

“Okay, I would say that’s a few hundred feet.”

“Well, I don’t know, you should ask my mom.”

“It was in the same house?”

“No.”

“It was in a different house?”

“Yeah. It was like a guest complex and they stayed in that room.”

“So it was a different building?”

“But Michael and I stayed in his room, which was in the main house.”

“So here we are in Neverland, and then what’s the next step?”

“Well, I slept in his bed there, and then each week we would go back up and it would kind of progress sleeping in bed, and I think one night we were sleeping in the bed, I think it was at Neverland, and he just leaned over and hugged me or something.”

“Okay, lets call that the end of phase two. Let’s call phase three sleeping in the same bed and nothing else. Alright?”

“Yeah.”

“We’ll call phase four: it was more physical contact.”

Continued-

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Part 3 continued

“This is where it starts.”

“Where the physical contact started? When would you say that started to the best of your recollection?”

“When like what time?”

“What month? I mean Las Vegas, you said, was in early February sometime.”

“Las Vegas was more like later February.”

“Okay, late February. When was the first hug?”

“I don’t know.”

“Do you have any idea?”

“No.”

“Was it before the summer of ’93?”

“I would think early May, middle May [1993].”

“Somewhere in May ’93; that was the first hug? And that was while you were in bed?”

“Yes.”

“Where were you at the time? Where was the bed – physical location?”

“Do you want me to describe what his room looked like?

“No, I’m wondering where the bed was. Were you at Neverland or were you in some city?”

“Oh, this was in Neverland. I think it may have been somewhere else but I’m almost positive it was Neverland.”

“Okay, and what happened then?”

“He hugged me and I thought nothing of it. I said, okay, whatever. And that was it and he continued that for a small amount of time.”

“How long would the hug last?”

“A quick hug and that was it.”

“And this was while in bed?”

“Yeah, and fully clothed.”

“And did you say anything?”

“I don’t remember, I think he said ‘I love you, good night,’ or something. I don’t know.”

“Did you push him away?”

“No. I just – I don’t think I hugged him back. I just said, ‘I love you, good night.’

“He said ‘I love you’?”

“I think so, I don’t know.”

“When you say ‘I love you,’ it can be said in many different ways. You understand, someone can say ‘I love you’ and their really saying I’m in love, and sometimes you can say ‘I love you’ as a friendly gesture without romantic feelings. What kind of a way did you say that? Were you saying it with romantic feelings or – – ?”

“Just friends.”

“Just friendly. It wasn’t a romantic love?”

“No.”

“Okay, go ahead.”

“So after that hugging thing – – ”

“Are you describing now a beginning of a pattern of hugging?”

“Yes, like every time he would graduate to a new sexual act, we’d continue that and graduate some more.”

“Okay, what was the next step? So are you saying there was a lot of hugging, a lot of attempts to hug?”

“Yeah.”

“Did this happen in bed or under other circumstances?”

“You know, I mean it was just a regular hug that if anybody saw it they wouldn’t think anything of it.”

“He did it in public situations?”

“Yeah, like a goodbye kind of hug.”

“Did you ever feel in those hugs that he was sexually aroused? You didn’t ever feel he had an erection or anything like that?”

“No.”

“Okay, the next step.”

“I think he kissed me on the cheek, or something.”

“When did that occur?”

“I don’t know, around the same time.”

“Around the same time, so you’re talking about May – we’re still in May of ‘93. He kissed you on the cheek, under what circumstances? Were you in bed? Were you standing up? What were the circumstances?”

“I think we were in bed.”

“What kind of kiss was it?”

“Just a peck on the cheek. I think it was a goodnight peck on the cheek.”

“And then what happened?”

“And so he continued that as well as the hugging and then graduated to kissing me on the lips.”

“When did that occur as far as you know?”

“I don’t know.”

“Was it before the summer?”

“Yeah.”

“Is it correct to say it was June? Would that be reasonable?”

“I don’t know. I really don’t know.”

“But it was before the summer?”

“Yeah.”

“There are different kinds of kissing on the lips. What kind of a kiss was it?”

“Just a peck.”

“Was his mouth open or closed?”

“Closed.”

“And how long did it last?”

“I don’t know, a second, I think.”

“Was this in bed?”

“Yeah.”

“And then the next step?”

“Next step, I think he graduated to like kissing me for a longer amount of time, you know.”

“On the lips?”

“Yes.”

“Where was this? Where were most of these things happening? Was it Neverland? Was it mostly Neverland?”

“Neverland.”

“Were there other places other than Neverland where this was happening?”

“Yeah. At Century City, at the Hideout.”

“So primarily at Neverland and Century City Hideout? This Century City Hideout, I don’t think I have a clear picture of what it’s like, you said it’s in an area where people wouldn’t know there was a hideout there.”

“Well, there are many apartments around there – – ”

“Is Century City that name of a city around there?”

“Yeah.”

“You see, I’m from the east coast is all. Century City is part of Los Angeles?”

“Yes.”

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“Okay, so it’s really an apartment. Right? I get the picture. So it happened there and it happened in Neverland and Century City and in your mother’s house?”

“Yes.”

“He was sleeping over at your mother’s house?”

“Yes.”

“And when he’d sleep over at your mother’s house, he was in the room together with you?”

“I had my room.”

“And he would sleep in your room?”

“Yeah.”

“About how many occasions did he sleep in your room at your mother’s house?”

“I don’t know. My mom would know. I don’t.”

“Roughly.”

“I don’t know.”

“More than five times?”

“Yeah.”

“More than ten times would you say?”

“Uh-huh.”

“More than fifteen times?”

“I don’t know.”

“Twelve to fifteen would be a reasonable number?”

“It could be a whole lot more but that’s something my mom would have to say.”

“Okay, what we’re talking about now, is this is all before the summer?”

“I think so.”

“Okay, so then, we’re talking about kissing on your lips a long time.”

“And then one time he was kissing me on the lips for a longer amount of time – a peck on the lips – and he put his tongue in my mouth.”

“And what was your reaction to that?”

“I said, ‘Hey, I didn’t like that. Don’t do that again’.”

“And what did he say?”

“He started crying, much like when he tried to convince my mother to allow us to sleep in the same bed.”

“And what did he say?”

“He said there’s nothing wrong with it. He would get me to do things and convince me that the

things he was doing weren’t wrong, because he would talk about people who levitate, you know,

it was weird.”

“He would talk about people who what?”

“Levitate.”

“What does levitate mean to you?”

“Rise up from the ground by means of meditating.”

“And what did he say about levitation?”

“That the people who levitate are unconditioned. It’s confusing; it took me a long time to

understand it.”

“When you talk about unconditioned, what does that mean?”

“That they were not conditioned to believe that gravity existed, and I suppose that that meant that those who are unconditioned would find what Michael was doing was not wrong. Do you understand that?”

“Uh-huh. What else did he say to you?”

“He said, also, during phase one, the telephone phase, his cousin would go along with him on the tour. And I spoke to his cousin one time. We just said hello.”

“Was his cousin a boy or girl?”

“A boy about my age, eleven or twelve.”

“What was his cousin’s name?”

“His name is Tommy Jones; he was on the news if you’ve been watching, in defense of Michael.”

“Tommy Jones. He’s thirteen now?”

“I think – – no, I think he’s twelve.”

“And he went on the concerts?”

“On the tours.”

“On the tours. And he was on the news saying what?”

“He said, ‘I will admit that Michael and I are friends and we do sleep in the same bed, but Michael has never touched me,’ and, ‘it’s a really big bed’.”

“So he spoke about his cousin. And what did he say about Tommy Jones?”

“He said that, um, like, if he wanted me to do something with him, he would say that Tommy did that with him, so that I would do it. And, like, if I didn’t do it, then I didn’t love him as much as Tommy did.” [Jordie makes a heavy sigh.]

“Are you okay?”

“Yeah.”

“Okay, fine, you’re doing very nicely. You know, we’re going to take a break but let’s try to finish this and then we’ll take a break.”

“Do you think that Tommy Jones was lying when he went on television?”

“Yes.”

“Why do you think he’s lying?”

“Because Michael told me they did.”

“Okay, but Michael said he did these things – – ”

“I mean it could be that Michael could be lying to me.”

“Somebody is lying. Right? Because Michael was lying to Tommy by saying the opposite things, right?”

“Yeah, well one of them is lying.”

“Who do you think is lying?”

“Tommy.”

“Why do you say that?”

“Because in public, when he’s with Tommy, they’re very close together physically and verbally and relationship-wise. And if one were to observe things in public, how they acted to each other, one would come to that conclusion, that it was more then just a friendly relationship.”

“Now, let’s go on. So that was the lip kissing. Then he cried – – ”

“He tries to make me feel guilty for – – ”

“And then what happened?”

“And then one time, when he was hugging me and kissing me, and he rubbed up against me. I don’t know if he had an erection or not. I can’t remember.”

“Now was this in bed or what?”

“Bed.”

“Was this all before the summer?”

“I don’t remember. It may have gone into the summer.”

“So you took what as the next step? You’re talking about the gradual development; the next step was his rubbing against you?”

“Yes.”

“With an erection.”

“I think he had an erection. As it graduated he did.”

“And then?”

“Then it graduated to where he had an erection and he would kiss me.”

“Kiss you where?”

“On my mouth. By the way, he never put his tongue in my mouth again once I told him not to.”

“What’s the next step?”

“Let’s see, I think the next step was, I had an erection and he rubbed up against me and that was it.”

“You had an erection and he rubbed himself against – – ?”

“And he did, he did as well.”

“Okay, and where was his erection and where was your erection? You both have an erection.”

“We were on top of each other.”

“Anything else?”

“That was it, and then it graduated to other stuff. Somewhere during that time we went to Florida.”

“When did you go to Florida?”

“I don’t know. My mom would know. [April 1993.] And there we stayed in the same room.”

“Where was your mother?”

“Same suite, different room, with Kelly.”

“What happened in Florida?”

“Several things happened. One, he grabbed my butt, put his tongue in my ear – – ”

“He grabbed your butt; was he forcing you?”

“No. Well, he was kissing me and he grabbed my butt.”

“It wasn’t forced?”

“But, um, and then the third thing was that he was walking to the bathroom to take a shower,

and he looked at me before he closed the door and he said, ‘I wish I didn’t have to do this,’ and he

shut the door, implying that he wished he could be so free as to be able to change in front of me.”

“Changing from what to what? I’m a little confused. You said he grabbed your butt – – ”

“There are three different things.”

“He grabbed your butt, put his tongue in your ear and walked into the bathroom and said, ‘I wish I didn’t have to do this.’

“Then he shut the door.”

“How long was he in the bathroom?”

“He took a shower, I don’t know.”

“Now, when he said ‘I wish I didn’t have to do this,’ what was he referring to?”

“To shut the door behind him when he had to change.”

“The implication being that he would like to be naked in front of you, is that what you’re saying?”

“Right. But somewhere on the trip I said, ‘I didn’t like when you put your tongue in my ear and grabbed my butt.’ Once again, he started crying and making me feel guilty, and saying there’s nothing wrong with it, and referring to the levitators and Tommy. I think he referred to Tommy and said Tommy wouldn’t care if I did that to him.”

“Then what’s the next step?”

“By the way, he never did those either. The next step, we went back home to LA and he continued doing the things I hadn’t stopped him from doing.”

“Is this before the summer or during the summer?”

“I’m sure it was during the summer.”

“The next step?”

“In L.A., he continued those things.”

“Which things?”

“Rubbing up against me, having an erection and kissing for long periods of time.”

“And having an erection?”

“Yes.”

“Then what was the next step?”

“Then we went to Monaco.”

“When did you go to Monaco?”

“During the summer, I think. My mom – – ” [Early May, 1993.]

“And in Monaco?”

“In Monaco, he and I both had colds so we couldn’t go out on the town or whatever and see the sights. We had to stay in and that’s pretty much when the bad stuff happened.”

“What happened?”

“I don’t know. I think when he convinced me to take a bath with him or something. See, my

mom and Kelly were gone, they were having fun and we were stuck in with colds. And my mom, I remember, she offered to stay in and help us and take care of us, and Michael insisted that our colds shouldn’t detract from them having fun. So we were alone and we took a bath together. That was the first time we ever saw each other naked. And during that time when we were alone in the room and they were gone, he talked about how all of his children friends masturbate in front of him.”

“Did he say which children friends did it?”

“Yeah.”

“Which children friends did he say masturbated him?”

“Masturbated in front of him.”

“Oh, masturbated in front of him. Okay, who did he say masturbated in front of him?”

“He said Peter Davis, Ian Roberts, Tommy Jones, Billy Williams – he was also on TV.”

“He was also on TV and he said what?”

“‘Michael and I do sleep in the same bed but Michael has never touched me.'”

“He’s lying or Michael’s lying?”

“Well, I don’t – as far as I know he’s not lying. Michael never did touch him, as far as I know. But Michael said that Billy masturbated in front of him.”

“So Billy didn’t say on TV anything about masturbation?”

“No No. And so, other kids – – Wait, I got to think of this kid’s name, Sam Thomas.”

“Who’s he?”

“A boy who went on the Bad tour with him. That’s the name of the tour before this one.”

“You say, Bad tour, is that the name of the tour?”

“Bad, Yes.”

“They called it the Bad tour.”

“Named after his album.”

“So what else happened, if anything?”

“So he was talking about how all these kids masturbated in front of him, and he said that – – Oh, by the way, I met Tommy and Billy during that time period, and Peter Davis as well. So he was saying that all these kids masturbate and it feels really good, and so one time he masturbated in front of me. That was the first time.”

“He masturbated in front of you?”

“Um, like, he didn’t make me watch and like he was on the bed masturbating, and, I don’t know, I was changing.”

“This is when you had colds in Monaco?”

“Yeah. I don’t know if I was standing in the same room or not, but it wasn’t like he shut the door and closed everything.”

“Where was he and where were you?”

“He was on the bed, in the room. I was, I may have been getting ready in the bathroom, or in the – – We had a large closet and so I maybe was getting dressed in there.”

“But you saw him?”

“Yeah.”

“Go ahead, next thing.”

“And so he continued that for, like, a lot of the trip. And he kept on saying, ‘Tell me when you’re ready and I’ll do it for you.’ Because up till then I had never masturbated or anything. And I had never, ever, indicated to him that I was ready, like, to be masturbated. And I guess that wasn’t according to his plans, and so, one time he just reached over and said, “Okay, just tell me how this feels.’ And he put his hand on my – – ”

“And this was in Monaco?”

“Right. And he put his hand on my shorts and he said, ‘Now doesn’t that feel good.’ And he rubbed up and down. And I said ‘Yeah.'”

“Did he masturbate you to orgasm, to climax?”

“Well, then he said, ‘Well wait, it gets even better,’ and he put his hand under my shorts and masturbated me to the end.”

“Is that the very first climax you had in your life?”

“Yeah. Well wait, during that summer I had a, what’s it called, a wet something?”

“You mean at night, while you’re asleep?”

“Yeah.”

“You mean a wet dream.”

“Yeah.”

“Okay, these were spontaneous. Did you have orgasms in your wet dreams?”

“I had one and that was it.”

“But it was the same feeling?”

“Yeah.”

“So that was your first, was in the wet dream?”

“Right.”

“And then so your first orgasm outside of a wet dream was when he masturbated you?”

“Right.”

“Okay.”

“What was the next step?”

“And he, like, continued that. He stopped everything else that we were originally doing together; we just took baths. And we went to Euro-Disney after we went to Monaco.”

“Anything else at Monaco other than what you told me?”

“Uh-uh.”

“About how many times would you say he masturbated you at Monaco?”

“I don’t know.”

“What were your feelings about it then?”

“Well, um, I said, this is really weird, like I never said I was ready then. But I said to myself, it feels good so, just, whatever, and he’s my friend, so I can’t be – – ”

“And while he was masturbating you, what was he doing?”

“Just that, nothing.”

“Okay. Is there anything more about Monaco?”

“No.”

“Okay, what’s the next thing?”

“The next thing, we went to Euro-Disney.”

“When was that?”

“After Monaco, because Monaco’s in France as well as Euro-Disney, so we went from Monaco to Euro-Disney.”

“And how long were you at Euro-Disney?”

“I don’t know, a week or two at most.”

“Was this during the summer?”

“I don’t know. No, wait, no actually now that I remember, up ‘til now, nothing was past the summer now that I remember, because – – ”

“So, Monaco was before the summer?”

“Everything.”

“Euro-Disney was before the summer?”

“Yes, everything. Now I remember because I had a book to read for finals. It was called To Kill A Mockingbird. Supposedly that was one of his favorite books. And so he helped me study and he read the book to me and then he continued to masturbate me.”

“By the way, if this was before the summer, this is the school time. When you’re in all these other places, what’s going on with school?”

“Well, I managed to still get all As; I brought my book with me.”

“Did the school permit this?”

“Yeah.”

“What happened at Euro-Disney?”

“He continued to masturbate me.”

“About how many times do you think?”

“About once a day. And that was it for Euro-Disney – and France, in general.”

“Okay, that was it with Euro-Disney. Anything else?”

“You mean Euro-Disney?”

“Yeah.”

“I think we might have taken a bath together.”

“On one occasion?”

“I don’t know. It may have been one, it may have been not at all.”

“Okay, next phase, next step.”

“Next step, okay. We went home, back to L.A. again. Let’s see, I remember, my dad, just as before, last year, was to help me study for finals, and so I was going to go to his house. And my dad and Michael, they had never met before, I don’t think. And so, I was going to go to my dad’s house and stay over there for, like, the weekend. And he was going to help me study. And that really saddened Michael that we would have to separate. So he stayed over there during that

weekend.”

“At your father’s house?”

“That’s right. That’s the only time.” [Actually, there were two weekends.]

“Okay, we’re talking about June now? June of ’93?”

“Late May.”

“And then?”

“And then he masturbated me there, and one time when he was masturbating me, um, instead, he masturbated me with his mouth.”

“So he put his mouth on your penis?”

“Yes. Then, um, from that point, till the end of our relationship, he masturbated me with his mouth. And that was as far as it went.”

“About how many occasions did he do that?”

“I don’t know but I can tell you where.”

“Where did it take place?”

“In my father’s house, his Hideout, my mother’s house, and Neverland.”

“Okay, so these are four different places, so obviously it had to happen at least four times. Right?”

“Oh yeah, of course.”

“But I want you to give me a guess – – ”

“Okay. More than fifteen, that’s safe. But he had me masturbate him.”

“On how many occasions?”

“About ten. And he said that – – he had me – – he got me to twist one of his nipples while I sucked on the other and he masturbated himself.”

“Was there ever any anal contact at any time?”

“No.”

“Most men, when they masturbate – whether they be masturbated by someone else or doing it alone – most men have some thoughts in their mind. Sometimes they don’t but most often they do. When he was masturbating you, what thoughts were in your mind?”

“Um, I thought, it’s weird. It’s like it didn’t feel right but yet it felt good, and he was a friend so I didn’t stop him.”

“Most kids your age start, around your age, start to masturbate by themselves usually without

any kind of experience with another person and kids who (inaudible). Have you continued to masturbate since those experiences?”

Check out Michael Jackson pays a hefty settlement to his boy accuser. But what does it settle?
“I did, I believe, six times right after the end of our relationship.”

“And not since?”

“And not since.”

“I’m not saying you should, but I’m asking you why you did. I’m asking you what were your reasons?”

“Because, I remember that it felt good when he did it and – – ”

“Okay, why did you stop? I’m not saying you should or you shouldn’t. I’m just saying why did you decide stop?”

“I didn’t (inaudible).”

“That’s it. Let’s separate the feeling from him.”

(Inaudible)

(Inaudible)

“Let’s do this. Let’s take a break for about ten-fifteen minutes and then we’ll continue. So you stretch your legs. Now I want to put it on the record that I’m not going to be talking to you between our meetings. All contact with you, all the things I’m going to say to you will be in this room on this tape. Do we agree that I haven’t spoken to you prior to this day, right?”

“Right.”

“So that’s very important. Okay, so let’s interrupt.”

(Break in interview)

>>373526
After the break


“Do you miss him?”

“No.”

“I’d like to talk to you about how this all came out. By the way, did he say to you that you should never talk to anybody?”

“Yes he did.”

“What specific statements did he make to you in that regard?”

“He said that this – that we had a little box, and this was a secret, and it’s a box that only him and I could share.”

“He was not speaking literally?”

“It was a secret box, like, yeah, pretend we had a box and secrets go in there.”

“A secret, like in a little box?”

“Yeah, you put the secret in the box and nobody can know about what’s in the box but him and me. And he said, once again, he referred to, like, the unconditioned levitators. He said that we weren’t conditioned, but if this box were revealed to other people, like regular people of today’s society, they’re conditioned and so they would believe it was wrong. And so that’s why I

shouldn’t reveal what’s in the box.”

“Do you believe it’s wrong?”

“Yeah.”

//////////////

“How did your parents learn about this?”

“I guess, after we had – Michael and I had stayed that night – – ”

“Where?”

“At my father’s, during the finals. He saw that, like, it wasn’t a healthy relationship for me.”

“What did he observe directly in terms of the sexual activities?”

“No sexual activities.”

“He didn’t observe sexual activities? But there were sexual activities?”

“There was, but he didn’t observe them.”

“What did he observe?”

“He observed Michael and I having almost the same personality, the same interests, the same way of speech.”

“When you say similar personality – – ”

“Like, I would act like him.”

“Did you find yourself consciously doing that?”

“No.”

“Did you make a decision or it just happened?”

“It just sort of happened. Like, the more we hung out together, his personality and his way of speech and everything else would rub off on me. And so he – – Dad saw me alone one time at Cody’s, his pre-school graduation, and he told me ‘You and Michael have lied to me,’ and it seemed like he knew what was going on, without actually saying what was going on.”

“So your father suspected. Is that what you’re saying?”

“Yeah. And he said it in a stern, serious voice, not yelling.”

“Was he speaking to you alone, or – – ”

“Alone.”

“When did this happen?”

“I, like, right before my school graduation.”

“That’s May or June?”

“June.” [June 9, 1993]

“So what did you say then?

“I didn’t. – – He didn’t ask me what did you and Michael do together.”

“By the way, going back, did he say, ‘It’s a secret.'”

“Michael?”

“Yeah. In terms of did he make any threats?”

“I think he may have said, like, if you tell – – if people say ‘Don’t worry, just tell us, Michael will go to jail and nothing will happen to me you.’ He said that wasn’t true, and I could, like, go to juvenile hall or something.”

“That he could go to jail but you’d go to juvenile hall?”

“Something like that.”

“That he himself could go to jail?”

“I don’t specifically remember. I’m almost positive though, that he said about juvenile hall. I’m almost positive he said that, but I do indeed remember that he said that he would go to jail, and that, like, I wouldn’t get off Scott free.”

“Did you believe that?”

“Well, I didn’t really believe it at the time, and I definitely don’t now. But at the time I didn’t really believe it but I said, okay, whatever, and just went along with it.”

“Now let’s see. When your father confronted you at first, what did you say?”

“Well, um, it was an intimidating circumstance, where he was talking to me, and he said, ‘You’ve lied to me, as well as Michael.’ And I said – I was like, fairly nervous. And he said ‘What would you do if I said that I don’t want you to go on the tour.’ Because I was supposed to be on tour with him now. He’s on the tour.”

“Mmm-hmm.”

“We were planning on going on the tour. And I said, like, ‘I probably would go anyway because I don’t know of any valid reason you have,’ I said to my dad.”

“You still wanted to go on the tour?”

“Yes, at the time.”

“Why is that?”

“Because I was having fun. At the time, the things Michael was doing to me, they didn’t affect me. Like, I didn’t think anything was totally wrong with what he was doing since he was my friend, and he kept on telling me that he would never hurt me. But presently I see that he was obviously lying.”

“You’re saying you didn’t realize it could hurt you? Is that what you’re – – ”

“I didn’t see anything wrong with it.”

“Do you see the wrong in it now?”

“Of course.”

“What is wrong as you see it?”

“Because he’s a grown-up and he’s using his experience, of his age in manipulating and coercing younger people who don’t have as much experience as him, and don’t have the ability to say no to someone powerful like that. He’s using his power, his experience, his age – his overwhelmingness – to get what he wants.”

“Alright, so, you finally did tell your father. Who was the first adult you told?”

“My father.”

“How many times did he have to ask you before you told him?”

“Once.”

“The first time he asked, you told him?”

“Well see, at the graduation he said, ‘You guys are lying to me,’ and that was it, he didn’t ask me any questions.”

“And what did you say?”

“I just said, ‘Huh?,” like, ‘I didn’t know.'”

“You made believe you didn’t know what he was talking about?”

“Right. And then he demanded me over to his house, because he knew that the circumstances were wrong. And he, like, I was with my mom and Michael, and he demanded me over to his house. So I went to his house, and he said just for a week and then you can go back. And I really started liking it there. And he had to pull my tooth out one time, like, while I was there. And I don’t like pain, so I said could you put me to sleep? And he said sure. So his friend put me to sleep; he’s an anesthesiologist. And um, when I woke up my tooth was out, and I was alright – a little out of it but conscious. And my Dad said – and his friend was gone, it was just him and me – and my dad said, ‘I just want you to let me know, did anything happen between you and Michael?’ And I said ‘Yes,’ and he gave me a big hug and that was it.”
“And you never gave him the details?”

“No.”

“Now you divulged this when? When did you tell him? In what month?”

“July. I believe July. I remember that because it was very close to my sister’s birthday, which is July.” [It was July 16, 1993.]

[A discussion ensues about the current and possible future effects on Jordie’s life.] ////

“Are you interested in girls?”

“Yes.”

“Do you find yourself attracted to any boys?”

“No.”

“Have you ever been attracted to boys?”

“No.”

“You see, there are some kids who have an experience such as you describe, who shift from the heterosexual to the homosexual track. Do you know what I mean by that? If you ask them at five, six, seven, eight, they say ‘I’m going to be a fireman when I grow up and I’m going to get married and have children – something like that – and then they stay on that track. But there are some kids, as a result of an experience like you’re describing, that may shift and start moving down the homosexual track. Do you think that’s going to affect you?”

“Well, it may, and I guess that’s why I’m probably in therapy.”

“Okay, but the question is, have you the feeling now that this may happen to you?”

“No.”

“Why do you say that?”

” ’cause – – I like girls!.”

“Do you feel that you could have, somehow, prevented all this stuff with Michael?”

“Yeah.”

“How?”

“Because originally – – Remember I said there were a couple things he did and I said ‘Don’t do

that'”?

“Yeah.”

“It worked those times, maybe I could have done it – – ”

“You could have been more forceful. Is that what you’re saying?”

“Yeah.”

“Why weren’t you?”

“It was hard to do.”

“Because?”

“Because he’s an adult, he’s overwhelming, he’s famous, he’s powerful.”

“Were you in awe of him? Do you know what I mean by awe?”

“No.”

“In awe of somebody means that you look up to them like they’re almost a god, or something like that.”

“No. Actually when our relationship got closer and closer I thought less of that. Like most people think that, wow, he’s great, because he can dance and sing. But you know, he’s just like, a regular person.”

“Do you feel guilty about having participated in those acts?”

“Yeah. I regret doing it.”

“What about fears? Any fears of any kind?”

“No.”

“Sometimes people, after experiences of this kind, develop different kinds of fears. You have no fears?”

“Maybe of cross-examination but that’s all. I mean I have nothing to hide, it’s just the thought of it.”

[Jordie describes some of the non-sexual activities he and Michael did together.] ////

“It sounds to me, from what you’re describing, he was functioning very much as a child.”

“That’s what he believed he was.”

“You say, psychologically, he believed he was a child? When you were with him – you described the video games – he would play with you child games. Did he ever give any explanation as to why he did that?”

“Because he’s, like, when he was young, like my age, his father would continuously make him

work, and like, his father would like beat him and stuff, and he’s trying to relive what he didn’t have as a young boy. Peter Pan is his idol.”

“Why is that?”

“Because Peter Pan is forever young, and he goes on adventures and stuff.”

“He could relive all the experiences he didn’t have, but what about the sexual part. How does

that fit into reliving? Did he say he had sexual experiences of any kind as a child with some older person?”

“No, not that I know of.”

“Did he say he loved you?”

“Mmm-hmm.”

“You know how you look at a romantic movie sometimes and you see the man and the woman, and the man says how much he loves the woman, how much he adores her and praises her. You know about that?”

“Yeah.”

“Would you say that was the way Michael was with you?”

“Like, it was sort of like a weird kind of love. Like, it was like that but he, he loved me selfishly. Like, regardless of the fact that what he was doing might hurt me, he continued.”

“When you say it could have hurt you, how could it have hurt you?”

“Everybody thinks what he was doing could hurt, otherwise it wouldn’t be a crime.”

“Okay, how could it hurt? As you see it, how could it hurt you?”

“Because – that’s a touchy subject, I guess. It separates you from any other people.”

“How?”

“I don’t know.”

“Just your own guess.”

“It could make me depressed or something, I don’t know.”

“Well, this is important. You say it’s a crime. Why is it a crime?”

“Because, like I said before, he’s using his experience, power, age – – ”

“How could this have left you? If this had gone on and not been interrupted, how could you have ended up?”

“According to his pattern, I believe he would have left me and, sort of dumped me, I guess you could call it. And I would be, sort of, a vegetable.”

“Why a vegetable?”

“Because he would continue to do those things and I would have no knowing of what else is out there.”

“Say that again. You wouldn’t know what else is out there?”

“Right. Like, he didn’t like it if I would want to call a girl or something. You know, I wouldn’t

know, like, there were other options.”

“Are you saying that he would pull you off the track of going out with girls.”

“Right.”

“What would you say is the best thing that ever happened to you in your whole life?”

“When I told my dad what Michael was doing to me.”

“Why do you say that?”

“Because once I told him, I knew that Michael would never be able to do that to me again. And when something horrible ends, it’s most likely the best thing in your life.”

“You say – – ”

“Like a prisoner being released from prison.”

“But are you saying through all of this, although you enjoyed it, you felt a sense of pressure?”

“Yeah.”

“Was it a big heavy on you? Do you know what – – ”

“Yeah.”

“Could you describe – – ”

“Like, I couldn’t be open with how I felt. Like if I didn’t want to do something I couldn’t just say ‘I don’t want to do that’ because he would start crying or whatever. He wouldn’t just say ‘Okay, whatever, we’ll just be friends and play video games.’ He’d start crying and do everything in his power to convince me that – – ”

“But you voluntarily went back there. You could have said, I don’t want to go up to Neverland again, right?”

“Yeah.”

“So why did you go back?”

“Because regardless of the fact that I went to Neverland, he would be with me. No matter what, he was always with me. It was like, I couldn’t just say I don’t want to hang out with you today.”

“Why not?”

“It’s not that easy. He would cry. He would say ‘You don’t love me anymore.’ It would be, like a whole deal, you know, it was hard.”

“It’s my understanding that your mother kind of facilitated things here.”

“What’s that mean?”

“Facilitate means, she made it easy for him. Another mother might not have believed him with

this stuff about ‘It’s okay.’ You know, some mothers would say ‘You’re not sleeping in bed with my kid, I don’t care what you say.’ She got herself talked into it.”

“Right.”

“Is it correct she understands now what was going on?”

“Yes.”

“It seems to me that your mother went along with him. She equally got fooled. Is that correct?”

“Yes.”

“What are your feelings about your mother at this point?”

“She was fooled, just like you said.”

“Any feelings about that?”

“That I’m sure if she knew what was going on, that she would say there’s no way.”

“Have you discussed this with her?”

“No.”

“No!”

“Wait, discussed?”

“This whole thing. About her being fooled.”

“No, ’cause, I mean, I personally don’t like talking about it more than I have to.”

“Do you have any other feelings besides she was fooled?”

“No.”

“I understand from your parents that you’re not spending that much time at your mother’s house. Is that correct?”

“That’s right.”

“And at your age and at your intelligence they are basically letting you make that decision yourself. But there are reasons for everything, and what I want to know from you is, what are your reasons why you want to spend so little time at your mother’s house?”

“It’s not really that I don’t want to spend time at my mother’s house. It’s, there’s, I don’t know.”

“There’s always a reason for everything. Guess.”

“I would say it’s because there’s not so many rules at my father’s house.”

“And what is the reason for that?”

“I don’t know. I guess their values, maybe.”

“What about their values?”

“My father doesn’t believe, for example, in eating the right food every night. You can have candy.”

“Your mother is kind of a stickler?”

“What does that mean?”

“Stickler? Your mother’s fussy and your father’s less fussy about the food. Is that what you’re going to say?”

“Yeah.”

“Any other reasons?”

“It’s not the food specifically, it’s her rules in general.”

“What about her rules?”

“My mom’s rules are more strict. Like, go to bed this time, do homework right when you come home from school.”

“Any other reasons why?”

“Well, also, at my mom’s house – – the house specifically, or her?”

“Both.”

“Well, I don’t want to spend time at that house because Michael’s presence is still there.”

“It’s like his ghost is still in the house, his aura?”

“Yeah.”

“Any other reasons with your mother?”

“Why?”

“You see, because I’m trying to find out what psychological problems or reactions, if any, you had to this experience – which was a mind-blowing experience. I’m sure you agree on that. When you think of all the kids in the world, to have had this experience with that guy, you know, it’s reasonable to say that if you lived to be a thousand you wouldn’t forget it. Am I correct?”

“Right.”

“Okay. And it’s got to have some effects on people: you’re not immune to it. It’s probably the

case that it’s not going to affect your sex life. You know it could, but it can have more subtle effects. They’re not as obvious but they are nevertheless effects. I’m trying to find out – – like one of them is, now you have a — you can’t walk into your mother’s house feeling relaxation and comfort because the aura of Michael is there. It’s not a sexual effect but it’s an effect. And it compromises your relationship with your mother. And I’m just wondering about other things, of those effects. That’s why I’m asking you these questions. Do you think it has anything to do with your mother having facilitated. Do you know what I mean by facilitated?”

“No.”

“Your father thinks, and I’m in agreement with him, that she didn’t show enough – although he was such a convincing and seductive guy – that she should have earlier seen that there was some hokey-pokey stuff going on here and pulled you out of there quicker. Do you agree with that?”

“Well, he had me under his spell. So, you know – – ”

“His spell? Do you think she was under his spell?”

“Well, he got me under it, so I imagine he could get other people under it.”

“I’m wondering whether you do feel some resentment toward her, and that may be a factor why you’re not seeing her.”

“No. I don’t think so.”

“Okay. You know, as I understand it from your parents, and as I can see from what you say, when you’re under his spell he became like, the – – you were being pulled away from your father, from your mother. You know, you were almost like a, you know, drawn in under his web and taken away from your family, and you viewed him as the most important person in your life. Right?”

“Yes.”

“And under those circumstances you often take on the traits and the qualities of that person. Did you take on any of his qualities?”

“I did when I was with him, but I thankfully got rid of them.”

“What were the qualities?”

“His way of speech.”

“Can you imitate it?”

“He would use words like ‘hook me up’. That means get me something. An erection was ‘lights.’

“Lights was an erection. Go ahead.”

“Cum was ‘duck butter.'”

“Duck butter? That was semen, ejaculate?”

“Yeah.”

“So those were his words and you were using those words?”

“Yeah.”

“Anything else that became part of you?”

“No.”

“I want to get clarification with girls. What’s your situation with girls at this point? Your father says that you’re on the phone a lot.”

“Mmm-hmm.”

“Do you talk a lot with girls primarily? Do you spend a lot of time with girls?”

“Mmm-hmm.”

“I see you smiling. Do you have a girl friend at this point?”

“I’m sort of in the process of chasing after one.”

“So you got your eye on her?”

“Yeah, I guess you could call it that.”

“Have you kissed anybody yet?”

“I kissed this one girl.”

“Okay. So, your father seems to think in your relationship with the girls you ask a lot of questions; you’re very controlling. Do you think that has anything to do with Michael.”

“No – – Well, yeah.”

“How does it relate to Michael?”

“Because, I hadn’t thought of it this way previously, but now that I think of it, since I put too much trust and gave control to Michael in our relationship, now I watch out for myself.”

“What about trust of your mother? Do you think any trust of your mother has been affected?”

“Well, not because she, as people would say, she wanted to pimp me out. More because of maybe, I tried to tell her one time and she didn’t believe me.”

“When was that? Do you remember?”

“No.”

“How do you feel about that?”

“I feel that if there’s any remote, itty-bitty thing in your mind that your kid may be getting hurt, you should put an army together, you know, if there’s a suspicion as strong as that, that my Dad had carried out this far. She should have at least listened to what I had to say.”

[End]

>>373527
Newest accuser MICHAEL JACOBSHAGEN:
https://mjandboys.wordpress.com/2019/01/27/another-boy-accuses-michael-jackson-of-molestation-2019-michael-jacobshagen/

And thats it guys, those were/are the accusers.

>>373527
>“He said that this – that we had a little box, and this was a secret, and it’s a box that only him and I could share.”

>“He was not speaking literally?”

>“It was a secret box, like, yeah, pretend we had a box and secrets go in there.”
Holy shit. This is an exact tactic mentioned in this seedy "Pedophile's Handbook" that was going around a while ago on the deep web. It's chilling how long he got away with this.

>>373469
She's not a musician but actress Parker Posey was engaged to him for several years in the early 2000s. She released an autobiography in 2017 and outside of a few references to him (she still has the dog he bought her) there's nothing.
I found this interesting because she went from working a lot to being considered professionally unreliable during the relationship. It's also the same time frame where Adams was seen as some kind of heroin-selling candyman. Each time he pops up in Vulture's oral history of The Strokes article, it's in a dark light.

>>373529
Even more than MJ himself (he is long dead and gone, we can't heal the victims or punish him except through acknowledging what he did), now I'm just bitter about all the batshit fans who will go to the furthest lengths to defend this man's name posthumously.
I hope that poor kid and his parents don't suffer harassment and death threats like the others did.

>>373531
Yes it is quite disturbing, i was mortified when i found out.. And in a way he is still getting away with it by being praised as this innocent "child" that wouldnt hurt a fly, and being worshipped by his fans and the whole world.

>>373536
Thats the thing i want for the victims, to make the world acknowledge what he did for the victims sake, they are bing called gold diggers, liars and getting death threats and being stalked.
Yeah, the fans are quite insane, anything to keep his image.

>I hope that poor kid and his parents don't suffer harassment and death threats like the others did.

I hope so to, poor kids..

>>373463
MJ being a male weeb just further convinces me he was a pedo kek

>>373463
this is some of the most delusional cope shit ive ever seen
like..even worse than the average kpop defender holy shit haha

>>373463
>being a michael jackson stan in 2019
Are you going to defend R. Kelly next? Just because you donate to charitable causes or are mentally unstable doesn't mean it's ok to be a disgusting pedophile

I think it's worth keeping in mind that Jordan Chandler made no accusations against MJ until after his father, a dentist, gave him Sodium amytal during a procedure. During this procedure and while he was under the influence of Sodium amytal is when these "confessions" came out.

Sodium amytal has been found to encourage the coaxing/planting/coercion of false memories.

When this happened, Jordan's father was in the middle of a custody battle (concerning Jordan) with his ex-wife.

I'm not saying that what Jordan testified never happened. What I am saying is that the circumstances under which these confessions first emerged is very sketchy.

>>373507
wasn't this one of his defenders in court?

>>373463
>What always seems to be looked over with the MJ sleeps with kids thing is that part of the never land ranch/foundation had hospital beds for terminally ill make a wish foundation kids. They always had medical nurses on site, the beds were in a room with a built in theater and adjacent to the fun fair.

Jimmy Saville funded children's hospitals and children's hospital wings. He also funded orphanages.

It was very useful for him, because it meant that he had much easier access to lots of vulnerable children.

>>373652
He/his family testified under oath that nothing inappropriate happened.

His latter accusations have been found to most likely have been lifted from NAMBLA-member Victor Gutierrez's book "Michael Jackson Was my Lover."

>>373466
>NEVER girls alone

i feel like people don't bring this up enough. like if he just loved kids, why wasn't a girl ever his "special friend" who slept over? this alone makes the truth obvious to me at least

Posting the classic blog that started it all!

https://ohnotheydidnt.livejournal.com/

>>373691
I've been on ontd since 2009, but what did they start exactly? Women have always snarked about celebrities among themselves.

>>373692
>2009
It was a meme joke, friend!

A MEME JOKE!

>>373691
2005-2009 was incredible. I miss the site, the celebrities, everything.

It's funny that even this is mired in race shit though. I wonder what Brenden and Elizabeth are up to now…

>>373701
>>373692
Happy valentines day, fellow kin! XOXOX <3 Smooches
KISS
kiss

>>373648
Anon, he accurately described MJ's dick. Which means he saw it, which means nothing kosher went down between him and this pedo.

>>373710
This isn't true. He described him as being circumcised, but he wasn't. MJ's mom was questioned under oath about his genitalia and asked if he had altered its appearance so that it wouldn't match the description that Jordan had given to the police.

Larry Feldman (who represented Jordan) demanded that photos of Michael's genitalia were barred from the civil case unless MJ did a second strip-search or provided copies of photographs to him.

This somehow ignores all the evidence.
Also where is the proof he said that? Evindence please

>>373691
>>373692
>>373701
>>373707
I made a last minute valenstan for you anons. ilysm bbs. ijaf.

>>373701
there's a comment in the lady gaga tattoo post alluding to a rumour about Brenden being back? Idk if there's anything to it, I'm not as active as I used to be.


speaking of ontd, does anyone know if the ontd LChat thread got rebooted anywhere else? I hear there there were terfy goings on in there before it got shut down and i feel like i missed out. I think LChat banned the topic because of doxxing?

>>373692
Ah the golden age of ONTD was the best. Too bad it stopped being funny when it got overrun by SJWs around 2011.

>>373463
I love MJ's music but I'm kind of leaning towards the abuse allegations being true. Michael continued to have sleepovers with boys in his bed during the trials for his first allegation which no one in their right mind would do. There's a lot of evidence I don't want to dig into that suggest he had a preference for Hispanic boys, which might explain why Corey and Macaulay never experienced that side of him. I still like to separate the art from the artist, it doesn't make Michael's music and legacy any less a huge milestone for pop music.

>>373768
>He described him as being circumcised, but he wasn't.
And where's the source for this claim?
Btw, Carl Douglas explicitly stated that Michael paid off the accuser to avoid a criminal investigation due to Chandler's description.
>“…in our [Jackson’s defence lawyers] perspective, you have to remember that there was a companion criminal investigation case going on by both the District Attorney’s office in Los Angeles and Santa Barbara. There had been an occasion where Michael Jackson was examined, and his genitalia was recorded, which was part of an investigation. And that was part of the 300 pound gorilla in the mediation room. We wanted to do all that we could to avoid the possibility that there would be a criminal filing against Michael Jackson, and the reality was we were hopeful that if we were able to “silence” the accuser, that would obviate the need for any concern about the criminal side, so from our perspective there was a great deal of trust, not only with Johnnie and Larry because they had a twenty year prior friendship, there was a tremendous trust with Johnnie and the three judges being recommended. And we were facing the purple gorilla in the room of “If we don’t get this case settled before March, there is a criminal investigation looming, and no one wanted to consider the implications of that as it affected Michael Jackson”…
https://www.mjfacts.com/300lb-gorilla/

my high school choir teacher knew mj. he said “Sony lied about him!!” and had an hour long lecture devoted to disproving the accusations. It makes me sick

Saw this on my insta last night. Not sure what she’s talking about, commenters seem confused as well.
She’s fried.

>>374050
I think this might help decipher:

Unfortunately for her, Dina Lohan didn’t win this season of Celebrity Big Brother (Tamar Braxton did, Dina came in third with Lolo Jones), which isn’t too much of a shock because she didn’t do anything the entire time she was there. However, Dina still wins a grand prize in the form of her boyfriend, whom many believed was a huge catfish on the other end of her line, leaping from the sea of doubt to inform everyone that he’s been Dina’s catch of the day since they started their questionable relationship five years ago.

I’ll admit that this story stunk to high heaven of fuckery and lies but I will have to throw my hands up in surrender because apparently, for the first time in years, Dina was possibly telling the truth. According to The Blast Jesse Nadler, a 53-year-old commercial real estate worker from Tiburon, CA, is Dina’s main squeeze and he’s done with hiding in the shadows. He wants all of you skeptical hoes to recognize his love for Dina by revealing his off-peak hours Santa Claus face to the entire world. Catfish host Nev Schulman , who reached out to help with Dina’s potential catfishing situation, broke news of Jesse’s existence on Wednesday via a recent tweet exposing Jesse’s face to the world.

Although it seems strange that he would continue playing Hide-And-Seek until it finally came to light that Dina was possibly being lied to, they both have found support from Dina’s ex-husband Michael Lohan who’s always been a credible source. I’m sorry, did I say credible source? I meant incredible source of bullshit because whatever drips from his lips should immediately be flushed down a toilet. However, he supports Dina and Jesse’s romance because anything that brings attention his way always gets his seal of approval.

Michael Lohan tells The Blast he has also been contacted by Nadler, and that they recently “texted for about an hour.” “He even sent me snapshots of his communication with Dina to prove himself to be true.” Michael said he felt the guy was legit, and ended up speaking with Nadler on the phone.

“Actually, he’s a really nice guy with a good heart and I like him, and if he makes Dina happy, I’m happy for them,” Michael explained. Nadler is originally from Long Island, where the Lohans reside, and even made plans with Lindsay Lohan’s father to travel to Montauk for lobsters.

Jesse sticks to his story about never meeting Dina because of his mother’s failing health in a recent interview with Page Six Jesse wants everyone to know he’s not so bad.

“I’m a good guy, I’m the real deal.” He added, “Just the thought of people thinking I could be a catfish when everyone knows me and knows how hard I work and how I respect women and mothers, it just kills me.”

Source: http://dlisted.com/2019/02/14/a-man-has-stepped-up-and-revealed-himself-as-dina-lohans-catfish-boyfriend/

If MJ was truly a child molester Corey Feldman would have jumped on this new wagon of accusations for his fair share of money.

>>374174
Are you serious…
First of all, you are ignoring the witnesses, the evidence, the accusers detailed accounts etc
second of all he may never have molested corey, and how would he make money from outing MJ? If your thinking of money, being friends with the Jacksons would earn him waaaaaaaaaaaaay more.

From lainey gossip, via ontd:

>Johnny Depp has been in Europe lately shooting a movie. A couple of weeks ago, he was seen boarding a private plane in Nice heading to Belgrade, surrounded by his usual entourage and there was also a young, attractive woman who was part of the group. In Belgrade, Johnny and the woman, still unidentified, were photographed kissing. Here are two shots from that set, shot on January 28 and only made available today. According to the photo agency, she is his girlfriend.

>It’s surprising to me that there’s been no follow-up on this. Not very many mentions in American entertainment media. As of post time, I’ve not seen it on E! or PEOPLE or Us Weekly. Johnny Depp, despite the fact that many aren’t as fond of him as they were before, is still a big celebrity name. Certainly his love life is newsworthy, has always been newsworthy.

>Yesterday I got a vaguely warning-ish email from someone who insisted that the photos were taken on set and that Johnny wasn’t happy about it and that the woman is his costar. We checked with the photo agency. The photos were not taken on set. Johnny was at his hotel. A French magazine secured the first rights to the images before they were released for online coverage yesterday – which is when I bought them.

>They’ve identified her as “Lily”, an actress. According to Public, she is the “daughter of Depp’s longtime pal” and they met a long time ago. I checked the scans of the magazine and there are more details – supposedly she’s British, 33 years old. I don’t know how reliable this publication is. It’s giving me the same vibes as Heat and New Idea and that bullsh-t they have in Australia. But at the same time, these are pretty specific details: a name, an age, and a citizenship.

>But why isn’t this coming up anywhere else? Like at last check, it wasn’t even in the Daily Mail!? They have budget to buy so many photos. You’re telling me the Daily Mail wouldn’t care about seeing Johnny Depp kissing the new woman in his life?

>I’m not saying something weird is happening. I’m just wondering if something weird is happening. I don’t get why this isn’t getting much coverage?

https://www.laineygossip.com/johnny-depp-photographed-kissing-new-young-girlfriend-in-belgrade/51968
https://www.laineygossip.com/more-information-about-the-johnny-depp-kissing-photos/51981

33 huh?

I’m kinda getting annoyed at the MJ sperging tbh. Not trying to defend him. I honestly don’t know if he actually molested anyone but I do think weird shit was going down there and I do think some levels of abuse was going on, like emotional at least. I can also buy that he actually did molest kids but his family still pays off the victims. But I digress.

Either way, it’s old milk and we’re probably never going to get a straight answer. This is actually making me miss the Ariana sperging.

>>374218
What a disgusting, rotten piece of shit.
I can't wait until this fuck ODs or dies.

>>374218
That look like a side kiss gone wrong to me. But to be fair, who cares about him anyway?

>>374219
she’s dating her for quite a while now. probably he’s paying the media to not talk about her because Amber’s fans bombarded her instagram with hate comments and bodyshaming her because she’s a dancer.

>>374218
>>374219
His daughters name is also Lily and they also look alike: cute looking with a lolita vibe. What's up with Johnny? That's just ew

>>374224
For kissing a girl? Who cares anon. Not sure why this disgusts you so much

>>374257
Those colors are doing her olive undertone no fucking favors. She looks jaundiced.

>>374267
Here you go, sourpuss!

Is this pic better for ya?

>>374218
He obviously wants to bang his own daughter and choose to take out his sexual frustration on that young woman.

>>374263
Dating a girl who is probably 20-30 years your junior and looks like your fucking daughter is disgusting, come on.

>>372562
why the fuck is reddit always deleting shit like this?

ugh anyway it sickens me that it's pretty undeniable that mj did it. i never wanted to believe it. i know he had a horrible childhood himself. of course that doesn't excuse it but i wanted to believe he was just weird and wanting to relive his own stolen childhood because of how he suffered. but like so many rapists, he's just a fucking disappointment.

>>374289
Ugh, even if they looked nothing alike how can anyone look at someone sexually who is in the same age group as your child. That is so fucking gross, imagine being the kid in this scenario and knowing that your dad goes balls deep in your peers

>>374221
Its not old milk since its coming back up with this new documentary

>>374174
i think another anon was correct in him not explicitly abusing famous boys because having famous boys testify on his behalf or defend him would be more credible to him and would give reason to 'silence' the boys that weren't famous.

also, again, are we not going to acknowledge the fact that images of children that are sexualized but not in explicitly sexual acts is not considered legal pornography and that he owned multiple books that he kept safeguarded called "boys will be boys" and "the boy: a photographic essay" of all naked young boys like 8-11 in suggestive poses, completely nude, which experts in pedophiles say that all pedos possess because it's not illegal to own "art" of young children so long as they aren't engaging in literal sexual acts?

i'm sorry, but the fact that he owned this kind of "art" and kept them in his locker in his room and tried to claim so many times that sleeping with young boys is natural is enough for me to believe he molested these young boys. the whole chandler dad situation is shady but mj was a master manipulator and evil as fuck imo

>>374439
That makes it more plausible than the other anon that said that MJ family is paying Corey. If that would be the case they're not paying him enough since he keeps begging for more.

Still I can't think at MJ to be this smart to not involve famous kids. It was probably somebody in his family that said "with this kid is ok..but don't touch the other one".

The dark side of his life in Neverland: Shocking new allegations claim Michael Jackson's chimp Bubbles tried to commit suicide, was beaten and started self-harming after he was told the King of Pop was dead

Bubbles was 'rushed to hospital' in 2003 after trying to take his own life when he was no longer living with Jackson at the Neverland Ranch

It's also alleged the chimp, who's now 35, 'self harmed' after hearing about Jackson's death in 2009

Top primatologist, Dame Jame Goodall has claimed Bubbles was punched in the face and kicked in the stomach while he was living with Jackson

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6710151/Claims-emerge-Michael-Jacksons-chimp-Bubbles-35-tried-life.html

>>374524
Yeah, idk about this one, if he did abuse bubbles poor guy, but unlike the child molesting accusations there is little evidence here.

>>374522
Well, it makes more sense that one would get more business oppertunities being in his families good graces then not, but i also doubt he molested Corey, just because he was a pedo it doesnt mean he will molest every child in his care, he didnt abuse girls fx. only boys.

>>374524
yeah i highly doubt that he tried to harm himself when he 'heard' that he died. i do believe he was probably beaten though. more shit to make it seem like mj was sooooooo impactful and everyone, including his neglected chimp, loved that kawaii baby boy to death

>>374515
i should also mention that the authors of both those books ARE verified pedophiles. so yeah, he owned books by LITERAL proven pedos and kept them super safe and like always on him

>>374524
Did anybody check if the giraffes had signs of sel harm?
I bet their sudden death was in fact suicide!!!

http://www.theverge.com/2019/2/15/18226404/ja-rule-fyre-festival-icon-tmz-app

I still can't believe so many people fell for it, especially the celebs with their assistants, advisers, and managers.

https://www.refinery29.com/en-us/2019/01/221812/fyre-festival-celebrity-instagram-endorsements

>>374558

Of course the Fail is playing it up for clicks. But were his animals neglected? Was his infantalisation of Bubbles abusive?

>>374287
What happened to her hairline?

>>374577
I doubt he was the one taking care of them tbh the man couldnt even take care of himself

>>374577
they weren't neglected as far as we know, but having giraffes, snakes, parrotts, tigers, etc, as pets is always morally questionable.

>>374579
anorexia, she's recovering now though

>>374218
When is depp getting cancelled? I'm so sick of seeing his rotten teeth ass on the news/in movies. He's disgusting. Fucking a friend's daughter is so insanely low.

>>374287
>>374289
>>374579
i always say she looks like a skull

>>374746
disney dropped him and most of his newest movies have been flops, I hope he's cancelled soon

he was included in that universal thingy for a "dark universe" with classic monsters but the mummy movie flopped so maybe it won't carry on after all lol

I honestly don't know how famous this guy is but I guess he's technically a celebrity. Pretty funny if he did actually pay these dudes to do it. He has hired a defense attorney.

>Smollett told authorities he was attacked early January 29 by two men who were "yelling out racial and homophobic slurs." He said one attacker put a rope around his neck and poured an unknown chemical substance on him.

>Smollett gave his first detailed account of what he says was a hate crime against him, and the aftermath, in an interview with "Good Morning America" that aired Thursday. During the interview he expressed frustration at not being believed.

>Two law enforcement sources with knowledge of the investigation told CNN that Chicago Police believe Jussie Smollett paid two men to orchestrate the assault.

>The brothers, who were arrested Wednesday, were released without charges Friday after Chicago police cited the discovery of "new evidence." The sources told CNN that the two men are now cooperating fully with law enforcement.

>>374876
This story stunk from the start. It's an insult to actual victims of assault.

>>374876
Honestly, reading that kf thread is really worth it. All those turns of events, simply hilarious.

>>374894
Didn't realize there was a kf thread about it and just started reading…. there was a threatening letter sent w white powder in it?? If he's connected to that it could be a federal crime meaning possible prison time…

>>374876
His story was so stupidly unbelievable from the start, I didn't even entertain the thought it wasn't a massive crock of shit. Two racist MAGA dudes roaming the street at 2am who conveniently happened to have a noose and bleach and also watched Empire and had a clue who this twat was. kek. I love when bs stories unravel.

>>374894

It's been a great read! What do you think of the speculation that it was an attempted campaign boost for Kamala Harris?

Related: Last week in a radio interview she said while she was in college she smoked a joint and listened to Snoop Dog and Tupac whule she was high. But she graduated before either of them had released their own albums.

>>374925

Well, he has retained an attorney with experience defending federal cases.

>>375045
>attempted campaign boost for Kamala Harris
doubt it, I think the guy is just an attention whore

this is gonna be a fucking mess when it's released. wonder how much of this is PR?

someone posted about this in the soundcloud thread but I didn't want to derail, is lily rose depp dating timothee chalemet or ash stymest?? im confuse