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>FUJOSHI (腐女子, "rotten girl"): a self-mockingly pejorative Japanese term for female fans of manga and novels that feature romantic relationships between men.
>Discuss yaoi and BL here, as well as series and games aimed at fujoshi like Hetalia, sports anime, and male idol anime. >Discussion of BL games here is totally OK but please do not cannibalize the otome game general.>Discussion of Male/Male ships outside of strictly BL series is allowed. >Feel free to ask for recommendations, but please specify what kind of material you're looking for (Genre, oneshot/series, doujinshi, SFW/NSFW etc).>Being reasonably critical of BL is welcomed but don't come here only to bait or excessively moralsperg about fujos or how much you hate BL as a genre. Take it to Twitter. >Be mindful of others and hide your spoilers. Use the spoiler image option and wrap your text inside spoiler tags.>Reminder to ignore the baiting males and trolls who come to provoke. Hetero and pedo shit is forbidden here. Just report their posts and ignore.>Be nice to each other , we fujos should stick together.
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I stay away from genderspecials and I'm happy.
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Join the lolcow fujoshi server!https://discord.gg/5tV5r8bkXw
Also tag yourself
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why are they're always trying to shove in their mediocre heterosexual pairings in yaoi and you can't say anything or they'll chimp out about how you're being biphobic
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I don't read anything other than wuxia/xianxia.
everything here is mid though
barring vash i guess
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The only valid
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please tell me im not the only one liking this
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The dynamic in sha po lang was my favourite, too bad it barely had any romance in it. Despite that it was really sweet though. Any nonnies who can recommend a danmei with younger top x older bottom who's still more powerful/respected in the relationship? I can't find the word, not exactly more assertive, but does hold his ground when the top starts being more assertive instead.
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Part 1 of my yaoi anime/Ova ratings and reviews. hope you enjoy my ratings anons.
Love Stage 6/10
Some people may be shocked by that rating since many people love that series, but i just did not feel a chemistry between mc and ml, it was not interesting. Also of course no consent at always since it is a mid 2000's show. I honestly was more interested of the possible relationship between the caretaker of the mc (the one with glasses) with the older brother of the mc than the main couple.
Enzai falsely accused OVA 4/10
This story is not for the faint of heart or people who are sensitive to graphic things. The whole Ova is just a story about a minor getting violated in prison over and over again. I feel that there is cognitive dissonance in this story because the villain of this story is a ped0 officer who abuses that boy and puts him in prison…but then the male lead and the boys savior is also…a ped0 so like…i dont know.
Yarichin Bitch club OVA 7/10
This is one of those storys where i cant give a accurate rating because of how short the Ova's were, its a shame how many yaoi animes and ovas are so short or get postponed. But from what ive seen the story seems interesting and funny, again its a shame its so short and was never turned into a actual series. I was really into the pink haired guy from the ova ive seen and wanted to find out the reason why he pretends to be dumb when he is not.
Marudase Kintarou 0/0
So i have no idea what i just watched…so im unable to even give it a rating. I have no idea if this story is supposed to be a parody of yaoi or not because the story is so weird and bizarre that i actually started laughing. They fight by having sex with each other and the male lead wears no pants. There is also a manga of this story too but i am not able to find a english translation of it, if anyone ha s a english translations of this weird story let me know because i am interested in reading.
This is one of those stories that would be so much better if there was a actual series to show everything instead of the 2 OVA's.
there was so much story and information to process that was all put into too episodes only. You didnt have time to look at character development or relationship. I wonder why these sadistic huge semes were so popular in the early 2000's. If im going to be honest i got bored and didnt even view the last 15 minutes remaining of the 2nd episode.
Kono Danshi, Ningyo Hiroimashita OVA 7/10
Good beginning, disappointing ending. The mermaid suddenly acting distant at the ending and wanting to go his separate ways makes no sense with how attached he was to the main character.
Im only giving this story a 7 because its not toxic but in my opinion i feel like it is a 6.
Koisuru Boukun OVA 6/10
Yeah this is also another story where i cant give a accurate rating because i feel like it needs to be longer. Its a basic homophobic str8 guy becoming gay for his friend type of story after his friend gets him drunk with a aphrodisiac.
Reincarnated into Demon King Evelogia’s World 7/10
I really liked this story and recommend it. the reason why i gave it a lower rating is because the seme is a literal child. Why is japan so obsessed with ped0shit.
Titans Bride 5/10
i feel like it could have been longer. The reason why im giving it a 5 is because there is one furry scene and i hate furry shit.
Ai no kusabi 5/10
So this is a rating for both the Ova and the series that got cancelled. This story gives me you know what vibes…all the people at the top are literally please blue eyes blonde people and the people at the bottom of the class have darker hair/eyes/tan idk but this gives me you know what kind of vibes also the ending is so disappointing in my opinion.
The series had potential its a shame that it stopped airing and it never finished.
Junjou romantica 5/10
So i haven't watched this anime recently so i am only able to give my thoughts from what i thought when i watched it 10 years ago. From what i felt was that i hated the main male lead so much and he gave me such gross pervy slime vibes and i thought the MC was a unlikable retard too.
I only liked one side couple since they were the only normal adult ones. I also hated that couple in this story that was literally a 35 yr old and a minor their story was also lame too.
Saezuru Tori wa Habatakanai: The Clouds Gather 7/10
I like this one, unfortunately there is no actual ending in this OVA because the manga is still ongoing when this OVA was made so if you are expecting to see how this story ends by looking at the OVA that ain't happening
Not going to rate since this isnt a anime nor a ova but im stil putting this here since it is animated. It is really short like only a couple of minutes.
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It's 9/10 from me. Best yaoi pastiche out there.
are you able to find a eng version of the manga?>>283812
Thanks for the ratings yet again, anon!
>Enzai falsely accused
Wow, that takes me back. The OVA is a complete joke like most 00's yaoi OVAs tend to be but the original VN is surprisingly fine for what it is, it has plenty of dark themes not suitable for the easily disturbed, revolves around noncon sex a lot and yeah, pedo stuff since the main villain is a child molester. The sex scenes are very rough if it already wasn't clear.
i dont understand what you want me to do, ive been into yaoi and bl for a long time yet if i give some criticism for a series that means i dont belong here. Paki-chan wouldn't write that shit you moron. Im not her.>>283839
i see alot of people say the Ova does the visual novel no justice. Maybe ill try the VN.>>283843
Ah i see i didnt know that, i guess thats why it felt a bit low-quality.
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lmaoing @ this pleb getting filtered by Ai no Kusabi
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She got me hollering too. How does someone get filtered by such a classic?
it gets really good after the banyue arc, like right where the anime ended the ghost city arc and the arcs after are super good. tgcf has a lot of low and high parts unfortunately because of long the story is and mxtx hasn't fully edited it and she kept a lot of filler garbage but the good parts are really good imo
just try to push it a bit more
Lmao we hate the exact same parts. If anyone's put off by it I really do recommend pushing through it because the gambler's den/ghost city scenes in the next volume are some of my fave parts of the story.
Also speaking of danmei has anyone read Tianbao Fuyao Lu? I watched the first two seasons and I like the side couple a lot and I was wondering if it's worth reading too.
oh shut the fuck up, on previous threads there were also anons who would criticize ai kusabi and say that it reminds them of a nazi love story.
People dont like the same garbage you like.
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Are you shit-talking the best TnC ending by any chance?
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I'm kinda bored even though there's more bl out there than ever. There's even japanese, korean, thai and chinese live action, so many danmei, manhwa, manga but i feel like part of me wants something… more entertaining i guess? Like the last time i had so much fun was in 2019 after watching untamed and reading tgcf and svss because it was scratching that itch but i feel like the content that came after was kinda lackluster.
I think it's because i love anime as a medium the most, but in terms of high quality anime bl it's severely lacking. Also i don't mind live action but even though untamed was great most of chinese dramas are heavily censored which sucks because the korean/japanese/thai bl dramas don't have the same amount of plot, they're more focused on a simple gay romance. For those that are seeking porn we have unlimited content, but as someone who gets more invested in plot and prefers animation i don't have much to choose from. Even most fantasy bl manhwa/manga is more focused on simple romance scenarios (or just fucked up situations with dubcon) rather than making it feel like it has a bigger plot. I like when characters have sexual tension and fall in love while they have to save the world or solve a mystery or a crime, which is why i liked the untamed so much. Like two characters who have their own thing outside of just romance
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Oh no, I'd never.
Nevermind, it didn't register that you were talking about bl shows
not manga/manhwa, completely ignore what I said.
I'll take any suggestions, not just bl shows. Thanks for the rec, nonnie
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Hannibal (the TV show) is BL in all but name. I don't usually watch live-action, but I had to make an exception for this show. BL anime doesn't typically come close to this level of character writing.
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It also has some…unusual gore, so be warned.
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Seconding Hannibal for anyone who hasn’t seen it, it itches such a specific scratch and has so much homoero subtext
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I am not shipping anybody from Trigun myself but I enjoy all the great shipper fanart the two anime and the manga are getting right now. >>284068
Picked the fuck up. I started this ages ago but stopped when I got a new PC and somehow forgot about it, time to change that.
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NTA and I'm not sure where the thread falls on 3DPD, maybe it doesn't belong, but I have to back the Hannibal poster up because it's a genuinely good recommendation and a delightful watch and good fujo material.
I like to look at the pixiv fanart.
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I just wanna talk about these two and Square Enix being terrified of gay. The English translations neuter the fuck out of Layle and Keiss and how they interact with one another. I get in the late 00s the English translation team were probably worried about making things too gay but Dissidia Opera Omnia flat out changes Keiss' and Layle's dialogue to be less personal about each other (while the pair still insist they're "parters") and it's so fucking annoying. They keep the parallels between Ignis and Keiss but try to cut out the gay because Keiss' game came out a decade ago. Just admit you did a hack job back then and move on, SE.
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i wonder why traps aren't more popular. or why there isn't more bl, featuring traps.
i mean, if they are, it's in some obscure niche of the jp web i can't access because of the language barrier. i know lily hoshino has some good stuff but kek most of it is woefully untranslated.
…actually as i type this i recall lala no kekkon which has, apparently, sold five million copies? anyone know if that's considered exemplary for a BL
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I honestly see them in straight hentai more than in yaoi. Even the word "trap" is totally moid language. Do a search for "trap" on a site like mangago and see what shows up compared to searching for "crossdressing". You're going to get more/better results if you're searching the right tags. I also see a fair amount of stories involving characters mistaking their childhood friend for a girl only to find out they were a man when they reunite as adults.
But for you, nonna I will list some of my favorite manga that feature crossdressing:
Moon and Sun
Suda-kun no Himitsu
Nise x koi boyfriend (picrel)
Can an otaku like me really be an idol?
Boy meets maria
and my absolute favorite "I Didn’t Ask You to Make Love to Me! The Man I’m Obsessed With is a Male Porn Star" absolutely incredible work of art.
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Traps are just "flat chested moeblob girls with Schrodinger's dick being called boys." They're popular and memed to death by coomer moids that only jack off to whatever's feminine as long as they find them submissive and breedable. Those who like traps might be into futa as well. Of course girls and fujos aren't into that shit. Better choice would be pretty androgynous boys.
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So fucking sick of retards in /snow/ saying that all of us are future Aidens. It's really no different to trannies accusing random people of being "eggs." I love BL and nothing disgusts me more than the idea of chopping my tits off. Aidens colonized BL when it got popular on Tumblr. Normal women were here first, and we'll still be in the fanbase long after the trans fad dies down.
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anon this aint about aidens or stuff like that. This is people getting mad at women for having a sexuality and preferences.
Just look at how people bullied women back in 2010 if they liked twilight and boybands.
People dont give a fuck at the fact that 90% of josei content is drawn by men or pickmes who make the woman hot and the guy ugly and the two of them have mediocre sex where the focus is on the womans body and you as a women are supposed to be okay with that and shut your mouth.
A extremely small amount of josei actually has media that women actually find appealing meanwhile the rest is porn garbage or is boring.
Its no surprise that pickmes like pakichan want us to read porn of women being objectified instead of yaoi.
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You either become asexual or read shit like this. Because if you try to look at hot men then you are a fujotroon!!! its sarcasm btw.
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>>284563>Nise x koi boyfriend
peak fiction so far. but,>Can an otaku like me really be an idol?
this seems to be straight up genderbend. have i found the wrong comic or is the otaku not actually becoming a girl?
also i think 'trap' just maps out to the term 'otoko no ko'; it's like slang for the draw a girl/call it a boy concept
Traps are a male fetish first and foremost because as it is it's always borderline pedophilic and based on a fantasy of a cumslut little boy being the perfect lover to a faceless self-insert MC, i.e. modern day pederasty or then a "i-it's not gay but it's different and exciting because she has a dick" setting. BL has its own crossdressing trope but in works like Lala no kekkon it's used more as a tool to underline how beautiful and delicate the man is that he passes for a woman. >>284579
What makes it particularly tone deaf is that Aidens are more similar to yumes in behavior than fujos as they fully self-insert and demand top surgery scars and vaginas on male characters all the time while writing down their lewd sexual fantasies of personally being pounded by their fictional husbando. Fujos are observers, not participants.
It's actually really weird how despite being meant for women in most straight josei porn the focus is still on sexualizing and showing off the female body and she's always a 10/10 bombshell with huge porn star breasts and a curvy frame while the man is an ugly (or very mid at best), abusive
piece of shit. I don't know if it's meant to be some kind of a power fantasy for women to imagine themselves to have a body like that and getting turned on simply by the thought or something. Either way yeah it's garbage.
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doesn't matter how much we try to analyze this behaviour, it's either "power fantasy cause no one wants an ugly protagonist" (and fujos are the misogynistic ones shitting on women allegedly) or they have coombrain from years of indocrination so they get off more from the naked woman with big booba. i remember this girl who i knew was straight, with a bf, saying that you're supposed to look at the woman in the porn not the man, it really made me think lol some people don't wanna hear this but the truth is… you can't make real femgaze hetero porn where the male is the focus unless it's taken directly from the pov of the woman because at the end of the day everyone will pay more attention to the woman, especially if she's very sexy or if they're both equally sexy it's gonna be something like "wow what a hot couple". another thing is that women aren't like men, a generic moid character like what you see in a harem isekai will be relatable to 90% of men unless they're obese, disabled or a turbomanlet, but women come in so many different shapes and sizes, it's just not that easy. a woman with large breasts might not see a booba protagonist in the same way a flatchested woman does, who might be tired of seeing the same body type again and again but for the large breasted woman that's just her reality
Seriously, any time they try to make a josei protagonist more tomboyish, androgynous or at least not super ultra femme she gets shot down immediately for looking "like a man" and "ugly". It's so tiring, and exactly why them calling fujos misogynists is full on projection. >>284686
Well said. This is honestly why I can't get into femdom either no matter how much all the seething antifujos try to claim it as the best feminist porn out there. Good point about women having much more variety too.
>i remember this girl who i knew was straight, with a bf, saying that you're supposed to look at the woman in the porn not the man
I know so many women like this, in porn they just focus on the woman because they've been groomed to only sexualize the female form through a male lens, the only time they can feel satisfied is when the woman turns the participating man on. Can't count the times I've heard the "women just aren't visual like men!" excuse defending this shit.
Alright I'm only replying now because I saw some retarded takes here from the first page and even some things are are straight up lies, I promise this'll be my only post in this thread about this. Sorry to interrupt.>>284579>Aidens colonized BL when it got popular on Tumblr
Aidens were normal women and girls once. If you had been a fujo 10 years later you would've been one of them, most likely. It's retarded to think this is a problem that comes from the Aidens and not a problem with society.
Also, Aiden fujos already existed in Japan. One of the many reasons women might be drawn to yaoi is that they hate the way women are depicted everywhere and treated like an object in both fiction and real life, hell the reply chain to your post is literally about that so don't try to deny it. By extension this means that some of those women are going to hate being women, and yaoi/BL only leads to them idealizing male/male relationships enough that they'll want to become men. If you think Aidens in BL fandom are a new thing you're a fucking idiot, many young fujos in the 2000s and probably earlier already wished to be men, they just didn't know trooning out was an option. And in Japan there have always been actual TIFs into yaoi, it's not something new or western only, nor is it just a problem with individual girls who are "mentally ill", it's a problem with the misogyny that we all experience. If misogyny wasn't so rampant in all cultures maybe BL wouldn't be as popular as it is now, because women wouldn't see a need to create stories where no women are sexually or romantically involved. And if you think self inserting is so bad and shameful that you think it's an insult to say Aidens are fujos that self insert so you try to deflect by saying they're not true fujos, maybe that's just your problem, I personally don't think there's anything wrong with it and even in these threads there are fujos who admit to doing it.
And no I'm not calling all fujos Aidens like other posters do, I'm just saying the truth about Aidenism and yaoi, so you have no reason to feel offended as this isn't an attack against you (or an attack against anyone really).>>284586
Nice cherry-picking the one example with a bald monk, meanwhile you can't criticize this >>283580
It's literally the same kind of shit only one of them is from a BL manga.>People dont give a fuck at the fact that 90% of josei content is drawn by men
I genuinely don't know what you're talking about, as far as I know men don't draw josei. And I'm pretty sure the shitty porn you're referring to is not just called josei, I believe it's called TL or Teens Love, and most of it is drawn by women who have internalized the moidgaze and don't know how to draw porn without focusing on and pornifying the woman the most. But it's not drawn by men at all except maybe a few examples of moidporn someone is trying and failing to pass as TL by using the wrong tags on DLsite.
Also stop giving Pakichan so much attention, she's clearly obsessed and addicted to imageboards. You know what she says is retarded, you don't have to come up with equally retarded accusations against otomefags or yumes or just any woman who prefers straight content like saying we all like shitty TL manga with malegaze (even some of the women who read that crap online complain about it, but they think it's better than nothing).
Literally just ignore Pakichan, treat her like a retarded underage poster, report her for not remaining anonymous and move on.>>284588
Not saying this kind of manga is acceptable femgaze material, in fact I hate it, but there here are plenty of examples with hotter guys than that. A lot of the guys in TL manga look just like any other bishie, even like BL characters. On the other hand, BL sometimes has male designs and art that are just like this.
The good examples of straight femgaze are very rare and hard to find unless you know where to look, and cheap TL manga is not it. Everyone who prefers het on this site knows that. And believe me, there are a lot of women who would like more female protagonists that don't look like a generic sexualized big boobs, thin, pale nice girl in their straight content, but they don't usually hang out in the comments section of these manga or aren't very vocal about it.
And if you look at shit like the tl;dr post above, it's pretty clear they're just overall uncomfortable with women liking BL but frame it as faux concern of it brainwashing them into trooning out and a symptom of structural misogyny, something to fix and eradicate from existence instead of being enjoyed. Hence the constant begging of fujos to stop indulging in this degeneracy and start producing "good straight content", as if it was the exemplary female end game to write m/f romances. While the traumatic misogyny plays a part in BL's popularity, the number one appeal is the all-female community creating a constant stream of creative content catering to women and women only. The truth is, even if we woke up tomorrow into a world of female supremacy, BL would still exist and not be replaced with straight content because it's an exotic setting for women of all sexualities and backgrounds to experiment in thanks to the invisible barrier of the characters being not women. They don't act or think like real men, but physically they're not women, men in BL are like a fictional masculine gender that doesn't exist in real life and that's not threatening to us at all.
To me it's always felt either like a deeply rooted form of jealousy of what fujos have (a vibrant community churning out more fanfics, fan comics and fanart than you could even dare to consume), insecurity over knowing how abysmally most straight romances are portrayed (no depth, pining, conflict, development or chemistry) or more commonly a complete misunderstanding of the genre and why so many women are drawn to it and having their opinion manipulated by the two aforementioned types telling them that fujos are all pedophilic Aiden egg NLOGs cooming to rape porn.
>>284621>I don't know if it's meant to be some kind of a power fantasy for women
That's the author's self-insert, how she wishes she looked. The love interest is abusive
because the author finds it hot. There isn't really any depth to it or consideration of 'what the target audience would prefer'.
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>>284711>Aiden fujos already existed in Japan
[citation urgently needed]
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In other words, cosplayers are trannies, according to that anon.
want lc normalfags to shut up about yaoi already
you don't know what you're talking about retard
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i got you, nonna. this thread deserves more discussion of BL and less talk about trannies. for you i will list my favorite yandere in BL.
Painter of the night and killing stalking obviously if you haven't already
Sweet Heart Trigger
Chou to Kumo no Su
Last Seven Days how to Defile an Angel
Mitto mo Nai Koi
Dear Crazy Monster
My God (but also ALL of Asada Nemui's stories are about stockholm syndrome and are worth reading if that's what you're into)
And read more of Harada's work, including the gintama doujins even if you're not into gintama.
and just for fun you should read Numu's Trapped in the Dark it is deeply terrible in the best ways
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what do you guys think about this upcoming game? you can choose the gender of the mc and there is some hinted relationships/sexual tension between the love interests so it's clearly not some generic otome and can be interpreted as BL if you want. the only problem is that half of the team working on it are they/themlets
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i'm personally interested in it, but this description is kinda stupid, "gothic"?
i know i shouldn't be giving you the attention you crave but you wrote a whole essay and then said that we cherrypicked some josei examples meanwhile you are cherry-picking yaoi and fujos. Again you don't see the double standards.
> I'm pretty sure the shitty porn you're referring to is not just called josei, I believe it's called TL or Teens Love, and most of it is drawn by women who have internalized the moidgaze and don't know how to draw porn without focusing on and pornifying the woman the most. But it's not drawn by men at all except maybe a few examples of moidporn someone is trying and failing to pass as TL by using the wrong tags on DLsite.
You are so biased that its hilarious, i literally consumed mostly josei so you dont get to tell me shit or pull this crap ''oh just because i dont like it its not that genre'', those stories are published and categorized as josei wherever you like it or not. Most josei is literal crap where the male leads for some reason all have the same mediocre faces with the basic black hair meanwhile the female mc's look like goddesses. With how basic the ML look like in Josei they look more like the MC than the MC herself.
>You know what she says is retarded, you don't have to come up with equally retarded accusations against otomefags or yumes or just any woman who prefers straight content like saying we all like shitty TL manga with malegaze
No way did you get butthurt and write this whole essay because you got mad at anons for criticizing josei. Also no one said anything about otomefags so idk where you pulled that one out of.
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For any anons interested in a short manhwa with good art i recommend this one. Let me know if you liked it.https://mangabuddy.com/santa-taeyangshin
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I don’t like games where the protagonist’s gender can be chosen, since it’s clearly still just for self inshitter purposes, they’re games not for fujos at the end of the day, but games for yumejos and tif yumejos.
>>284852>>284817>cutest boy is a themlet
Gross. Why would you bring up this game nonnie
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lmao i dont know why but i was reading the new chapter for Jinx and was expecting for Jaekyung to atleast care a little bit or show some shock….but nope he just beat those men up because they pissed him off and not because they tried to rape dan.
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>>284839>gothic fiction is something like a 19th century novel with horror and romance elements
In other words, Sweet Pool.
>>284894>"it's pure cause it has no raunchy sex scenes" moral spergs
I truly don't get these people. Even in series where there's nothing ethically problematic
about the leads having sex(both are adults, not related through blood/marriage/adoption, no dubcon/noncon at play, etc) they still treat sex like its something that sullies the integrity of the work. The vast majority of adult relationships involve sex to some degree, it's not like it's something unheard of or dirty. Literally what is their problem? Are they all 15 or something?
Honestly speaking I'm pretty sure it's just because it's BL and being scrutinized harder, if it was m/f nobody would bat an eye even at the most degenerate and unironically problematic
NTA but I felt like the priest did that to be nice and could easily overpower him, if not for being stuck in that situation. his background also sounded kind of sus because he said he used to use drugs, plus the duct tape in the boot of his car
Kind of like how in Sleeping Dead the MC tops for Mamiya even though he was a bottom in previous relationships
I personally think the hypersensitivity to “problematic
” content that spawned almost ten years ago has forced people to just generally be more prude and even puritanical at times. Their fear has genuinely turned them into sex repulsed weirdos, to the point where even words like “fetish” have negative connotations to them
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Does anyone know of any good legend of zelda yaoi? Preferably one without Ganondorf and child Link…
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Some anon in that thread gave valid
complaints on how people might further use this to discriminate gnc women and try to lump them in with trannies and anons just gaslighted her in the thread and made her feel like she is crazy for saying that. i also remember in the past ftm threads some anons were talking about how gnc women are not normal and that in the normal world no one care about those freaks aka gnc women…really gross stuff.
i even saw them say how funny the sexist pooner trannies are (which is made by a self-hating tranny who hates women). Those pooner images are some of the most 4chan scrote looking shit i have ever seen, yet anons in that thread find it funny.
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to all the fujo anons, anyone else planning to stop using this site? Ive wanted to stop using it since last year with the way the shaymin let the whole site go to shit, now the new one is trying to imprive but the site is dead and most anons have left and now we have the boomers, kiwifags and conservetards left.
Also kinda tired of pakichan always going after fujos and other anons agreeing with her.
Either way, peace out.
Also some of the anons here have some weird autistic puritan giararchy where they think manga is golden and manhuas and manhwas are al shit. Dont get me wrong i read mangas too but its weird to act you are some upper aristocrat for reading yaoi mangas.
There’s no reason to get upset about it, the fact of the matter is that a lot of aidens are into yaoi and shipping, the difference is that they rebrand it as MLM and only enjoy sterilized fluff and fall into the antiship crowd, definitively. There’s no reason to associate yourself with them unless you’re a puritanical nutjob who draws tranny scars on girls and calls it MLM.
Anyone on the outside is going to lump everyone together anyways, there’s nothing you can do about it so it’s better to just get over it and learn to enjoy the things you like on your own.
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Nta but nonnie
that's some based taste you got there! These are gems indeed! Mantis cage is my favorite of all times. I'd like to add some too for both you and anon we have similar tastes it seems.
>Sankaku Opera (ends in 3p both semes are nutjobs)>Akuheki (unfortunately still ongoing the seme is not exactly yandere the uke is kinda nuts too he is promiscuous and super M in a very destructive way)>Shintan Kairou (it's sequel to smells like green spirit, about the pedo teacher, pretty disturbing the uke seems to be yandere)>Itou san same writer as sankaku opera (that one is about a cold blooded assassin and a prostitute its really good and the ending adorable) i recommended all of the works from that writer tbh>Blind play (webtoon, just ignore the writers autism it's not a bad work serial killer seme scammer uke)>Open Board (webtoon, NBR dadson son is seme and kinda unhinged)>Hollow portrait (everything by nishin actually, heartless and kiseki are as good, warning has gore)
If you like gore I also rec MADK and although it's not tagged as bl but has bl scenes and mc is deep down gay, Litchi Hikari Club for the unhinged couple combo>Kokoro o Korosu Houhou (freaking underatted, NBR brocest younger brother is a schizo who rapes his older brother and threatens him he will report him for rape since he us a minor if he doesn't do what he says. It's a twisted mess from the start till the end, the ending hits hard)
Ten Ten Shiro Shiro (similar to tourou it updates very slow though)
Ogawa Chises short stories like Kusatta Rasen or Ibitsu (both incest dadson and brocest both have yanderes)
Ouroboros (webtoon, the yandere isn't the main LI but he has affected and fucked up mcs life basically. It's more psychological than yandere twisted shit, but it his hard)
Gesshoku Kitan (serial killer reincarnated and killed by his victims
I really recommend haradas gintama doujins too, some dark shit she makes
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>>286171>litchi hikari club
I FOUND MY PEOPLE
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Hikariclub sisters, I'm so depressed. No leak or fantranslation for the 15-year anniversary artbook. It has extra stories. Usamaru does tease us with ZeraxJaibou art at his twitter, but stil not enough.
I'm always down to sperg about hualian hetbending tbh. It's always somehow more deranged and misogynistic than regular het ships too like turning one into a woman is exclusively for weird kink reasons. I saw one person's hcs that were like 'femlian needing to apply numbing cream to her pussy because Hua Cheng's dick is too big and hurts her' like who tf thinks of that.
I have my own complaints about how lesbian beefleaf is portrayed too where they always get the uwu pure handholding girlfriends treatment and only the m/m versions get serious or emotional art but the fujo thread probably isn't the place to complain about f/f fandom lol.
Kek I was thinking this too. I liked this site a while ago and it looked like a nice place but now it's literal shit. It's funny how a "women's" site that strongly leans into feminism likes to throw shit at certain types of women some people don't like.
I tried going and posting on fujochan a couple of times but I can't shake the feeling that that place is full of larping scrotes. Idk if that's the case though, and either way it's a bit too slow for me. I miss the old forums and livejournal communities.
>>286181>'femlian needing to apply numbing cream to her pussy because Hua Cheng's dick is too big and hurts her'
NTA but holy shit that sounds deranged. Sperging away but hetshippers have a world of het pairings out there so they to enjoy so the hetbending thought alone pisses me off (as it's honestly lowkey homophobic) and the shilling of the self insert penis in vagina sex angle really doesn't sit right with me. Like I want to enjoy these stories as they are, not as some stupid power fantasy completely disregarding the other established character, hetbending shifts the dynamic entirely. I sure as hell love a problematic
couple in BL but the line is definitely crossed when they try to shill those fantasies into straight couples. Shit like that unironically triggers
my own trauma and I figure that's the case for many other women.
>>286182>I miss the old forums and livejournal communities.
you and me both nonny
. what do we have to do to get a lj renaissance going
>>286227>it's seinen so it must be hard-boiled action fest for manly man!
I bet you were surprised that K-ON! is seinen too.
In fact, LHC is an adaptation of a theatre play.
Jesus I assumed it was kinda the same but did not imagine it was with discord. Never mind what I said, begging on lj has to be better than fucking discord.
How is the process now? Do you beg to join the discord, or join and then beg on some public channel or what?
Thank god I learned japanese years ago.
All of them are different, but it’s usually begging/knowing the right people to even get an invite/camping around their social media to be there the day they drop an invite and get in before they delete it in two minutes.
It’s autistic and I gave up trying to keep up with them a long time ago. Usually the most private ones are full of the most autistic people who infight and hoard good BL with a “we did it first and no one else can have it” type mentality. Daddyscans (I think this was their name?) immediately comes to mind.
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He has his old hairstyle again now. I still think the old one was hotter, but it's at least an improvement IMO.
Also semi-related, but the anime director retweets and likes a lot of incest shipping art for the new Trigun.
Scanlators were always prone to become drama queens but it's worse than ever.
What everybody needs to do is sniping.
If a translator hasn't released a new chapter in months, snipe it. Do one single chapter, it's usually enough. Just use machine translations and learn basic grammar and hira + kata (not much work) to and edit the google translations. It doesn't have to be a perfect translation and chances are high that every MTL will still be better than most of the shit current fantranslators release.
The important part is that you snipe them. At worst you will only make them seethe, which is still a win in my book. At best they will release a bunch of chapters because they are afraid that you might steal their clout if you release more or another fan translator will pick it up.
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>>286316>Also semi-related, but the anime director retweets and likes a lot of incest shipping art for the new Trigun.
A lot of Japanese creators don't give a fuck and are just very happy that their works have dedicated fans. That reminds me a lot of when Itsuno liked a lot of fanarts on twitter when DMC5 was going to be released, including some semi-explicit VNero art. That was before the game was released so nobody was supposed to know that V is Vergil, which means he's Nero's bio father, but obviously Itsuno knew and gave no fuck.
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The rest are >dick sucking x4>implied sex>making out>being weird
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Yeah I love it. In the west creators don't dare to do it because of the hate crowd.
The Stampede guy also retweeted the famous "Americans feeling yakuza" post that a Japanese fan has written where she implored fans to consequently block and ignore every user with a DNI and anti-shipping in their bio since they are usually out for trouble and love to do call outs. >including some semi-explicit VNero art
Damn I missed this but this sounds hilarious. I know western fans that even condemn ships with best friend since longtime friends usually know each other since childhood which makes them too "brotherlike" and therefore incestuous. I hope Japanese creators will proceed to ignore such stuff. Twitter isn't made for interaction anyway, people should just post what they like and skip the rest.
What's even the point of this? To have less readers?
I rather use MTL than begging some discord fags to accept me and spend hours scrolling through some twitter shit. What the hell are they afraid of?
Seriously someone should make another discord account do all that shit only to download the TLs and post them on 4chan or something.
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It ended in Canna last year, it was the same issue Sleeping Dead finished in unfortunately it looked like a pretty rushed/generic ending IMO
I fucking hate the ones that translate two chapter a year and then get mad if someone asks if it's been dropped. They always have like 20 projects going so of course they're super slow. If you don't have time to translate some mangas then drop them and let others take over, don't sperg out at people for wondering if it's still going and then post passive aggressive "uwu it'll be done soon!! (it won't) everyone has lives uwu" messages.
I also hate when some japanese/korean translators act like they're better than anyone and super experts in the language but their translations end up being complicated and barely understandable.
>>286401>They always have like 20 projects going so of course they're super slow.
And they keep picking up new ones because they want to be the ~first~ to translate a popular series but they never get past the first chapters. One of my favourite mangakas released a series and a scanlation group did a grandiose release of chapter 1 an 2 (with stupid redrawn dicks of course), it's been like 2 or 3 years and still no updates. They already got bored with the manga after reading it themselves so they lost their enthusiasm, but don't want others to translate it either.
>I also hate when some japanese/korean translators act like they're better than anyone and super experts in the language but their translations end up being complicated and barely understandable.
I feel like this is the case with especially Korean translators, one reason I never read webtoons was that the translations were always extremely hard to follow and due to the plots already being pretty messy the series were practically unreadable, plus the fandoms are full of k-pop stans who spent two months in Korea and are now full experts on the language despite needing a dictionary for the most basic phrases.
So let me get this straight.>One of the Chainsaw Man's mangaka's assistants is a fujo who drew a BL doujin, the mangaka plugs it on Twitter because he wants to support his assistant and has also given a shoutout to Asada Nemui's work in the past>ANN creates a clickbait article sperging out at how "fujimoto is an ally to gays for sharing gay porn">Gets butthurt at people telling her there's a difference in semantics between terms "BL doujin" and "gay porn"
Like I'm extremely glad that Fujimoto is sharing the doujin and not being all "ewww gays that's nasty" but it's beyond dumb to conflate someone's work that features sex as "porn", especially when "gay porn" is used to refer to porn specifically made for gay men. People don't call yuri or straight manga with sex scenes "porn" but for some reason people have strange standards for BL.
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I wonder when the author will go back to writing hankon
>>286449>just shut up and keep your head down
I know it’s never really been the case that scan groups were completely removed from fandom spaces but it does feel like in recent years the obsession with being a figurehead or having a cult of personality is becoming an obsession for literally everyone, including scan groups. They so badly want to be the most important person in the room that they’re willing to manufacture scarcity and force people to kiss their feet over something as niche and autistic as BL
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They hate her because she’s right
Some idiots I know that technically translate a manga I want to read recently contacted me per discord and asked me to delete a link of the raws that I collected and cleaned myself and later posted in a fan channel for this series because others might translate it before these lameasses do.
Hell, it's fucking raws that are AVAILABLE for free, online, on mangahack btw. You just need half of a brain to get to the archive and have an add-on that lets you save webp as png with a click. After they threatened to start drama in the channel I deleted it but went to 4chan immediately to post it there and then translated a chapter myself to snipe them on mangadex.
Since then they are releasing chapters more frequently. Before I sniped them they did nothing for six months and did instead pick 20 other series up. Now, post-snipe attack, they release one chapter every 10 days. Still too lame to ever catch up but at least something.
Fuck TL groups for being pricks that believe they owned any sort of license for the series they translate, usually BADLY translate.
I don't get this argument at all and I don't know what's going on here but>Many women who read BL are QuEeR
God I fucking hate that word so much now.
Is this about the cookie run voice actor who was talking mad shit about BL and telling fujos to go to therapy on Twitter to plug his own pure cinnamon roll non-fetishizing gay book despite begging for BL roles before? Either way, she's extremely based for posting this risking being dogpiled on.>>286668
She's just speaking in a language that they understand to get her point across, cut her some slack.
The VA was for a genshin character and, surprise surprise, was a TIF roleplaying as a gay man who feels personally offended by women enjoying BL because “muh fetishization”
She suggested fujos need therapy and that the entire industry should be burned to the ground. She even went out of her way to say that black fujos were “the weakest link” of black people, pure insanity
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A reccomendation for anyone who wants a more plot and character driven BL with a toxic codependant slowburn, check out Double. It does have some het and the relationship between the two male leads does take a while to actually make itself apparent as romantic, but it's an interesting and very dense read. It also got a live action adaptation but I haven't seen it yet, no idea if they kept it gay.
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The woke crowd (aka 'the new puritans') shows their true colours, imagine my shock. How can Lynzee live with that internalised misogyny? >https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/bbs/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=3185233&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=15
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i really do loathe that bl spaces are full of aidens now. i miss being 13 on the internet, joining yaoi groups on gaia or otakuzone (or whatever forum i was using), and happily talking about my favorite anime boys with other girls; it was like a refuge from all the normie/scrote shit i absolutely couldn't understand or even care about growing up. no inane discourse, no troons, no pretending to care about dullard hetero ships, just a lot of being cringe and free.
if i'd known how the web was going to evolve i would've tried harder to keep my connections from back then, or at least savored them more.
God, what a brat. She was told that her choice of words was poor and she throws a tantrum like this. Lol, lmao even at the people crying "projection" in that discussion like it was a magic spell to end all arguments even when they have no idea what the term even means. >>286760>no pretending to care about dullard hetero ships
This is what I miss even more than the Aiden infestation (granted, they often go hand in hand tbh). I hate that so many fujos have to cough up a straight and f/f ship that they like to "balance it out" while no straight/GL shipper is expected to ship a m/m couple ever. The only f/f ship that I will ever enjoy is me and my girlfriend and straight ships can entirely go to hell along with the PIV obsessed Aidens.
I finally decided to watch The Black Butler to understand what the good old fujo days were like for my autistic fujo friends and it explained a lot of what I have seen in those circles back then. For example, I never understood the weird hostility towards female characters and kinda got it where it comes from now as Black Butler barely has any female characters and those few ones are annoying or have no personality. Hell, it even had a coomer moment with a female character, why the fuck did they put it in an anime that no scrote would ever watch, it's literally just pure female gaze yaoi. I assumed they would put a decent female character in a show made for female auditory but they didn't.
It's sad that this hostility wards women in yaoi community never really went away, it's just now those fujos are tifs and hate non-troon fujos instead of hating female characters.
This. In my experience fujos are more indifferent towards female characters and ignore them for the most part or enjoy the rare well written one, but I've seen multiple hetship-oriented women being outright vicious against every female character who isn't their personal self-insert and specifically the ones that are GNC in a non-male gaze way. Their spergery is often credited to fujos because people traditionally brand any woman who likes an anime man a fujoshi, something that happens even on Lolcow. >>286785
Kuroshitsuji was published in gangan fantasy which is technically classified as a shounen magazine (very female slanted though), so I would imagine that the editors had their fingers in that mess. Back then fujo pandering series were extremely rare and practically nonexistent because everything had to have hollow female characters added in to satisfy moid readers, it's actually a very recent thing to allow shounen series to exist without a shitty forced female character nobody likes like Sakura in Naruto.
>>286788>women being outright vicious against every female characters that are GNC in a non-male gaze way
This is bizarre to me, how can women like male gaze shit? I thought yaoi got so popular among female weebs because it's literally the only genre of anime that has something for women and is not exclusively filled with retarded moeblob coomer garbage.>it's actually a very recent thing to allow shounen series to exist without a shitty forced female character nobody
Thanks for the information nonni
it's easy to understand why fujos would get annoyed at female characters getting in between their ship when in many cases 90% of the plot is centered around the two guys, they have the most development, met each other first, have great chemistry and then they suddenly introduce a random girl just to shove in a shitty romance. or she appears multiple times where she does jackshit as if to remind you the fact that she is the actual endgame and your fujo ship is just a delusion, don't get too attached. this is frustrating and used to happen ALL THE TIME at some point you could even predict who are they gonna end up with solely because they're the only girls around
hetshippers and yurifags also hate it when another potential love interest gets hamfisted in the story but you never see anyone criticize them! sometimes they even root for the random girl just to shit on the "fujo freaks" even though they'd also go nuclear if their ship or self-insert was cucked
>>286821>hetshippers and yurifags also hate it when another potential love interest gets hamfisted in the story but you never see anyone criticize them!
I have a recent personal anecdote about this, in fact. In my fandom (okay it's Genshin Impact)
there was a ship Zhongli x Guizhong
that was really popular with hetfags even though it had barely any basis on any of the canon but people simply wanted to have their fantasy self-insert power couple since the male character was one of the most popular ones in the entire community, but later on it was revealed that the female character was heavily implied to be in love with another female character and vice versa. They fucking blew up with rage, suddenly it's just being platonic gal pals despite them having canonically been called soulmates when it's two female characters, after the shippers spent two years gloating at fujos shipping the male character in male ships that he has "a female lover". Oh and ackshually, you're fetishizing homosexuality and are biphobic too if you're not into this fabricated m/f ship.
Anyway, seeing that really made me realize how much of everything that they claim fujos do is nothing short of projection. The accusations of misogyny, possessiveness, fetishization, homophobia, entitlement, etc. I've seen hetshippers do that a whole lot more than fujos and being way more fragile about their headcanons yet their behavior is never seen as immature and poisonous.
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It's been said to death but the black butler anime is a bad adaption and essentially only covers the first 10 chapters. The rest of season 1 and season 2 are entirely original material made by the production staff. You're better off starting at season 3 and watching the OVAs and movie, honestly.
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It's worth it imo for the fujobait, but keep in mind the past 4 years or so have been very slow releases due to Yana's work with twisted wonderland and have been entirely about side characters. We're looking at another ~2 years until the story even gets back to Sebastian and Ciel, so if it's not at the top of your list you might as well swing back around when the story finally gets back to them.
Spoilers if you care about the big twistIf you like the shotas Ciel's twin brother is introduced around chapter 120ish, that's what got me back into it
I'm sure there are more suitable wholesome bean series out there that don't have any problematic
couples in it. Why are you reading it in the first place when it's made pretty clear from the start that it's not for the people looking for that kind of content?
Rodin/Luka would kind of be scandalous though, since Luka's father knew Rodin and went to his bar at least once. I can see it though. At least it's not like the people coping and saying that Bayo/Rodin would be better than Bayo/Luka despite Rodin seeing Bayonetta as nothing but a walking ATM. You know what I want though? Dante/Luka.
>but they hardly interact except in Bayo 2
In Bayonetta 3 Luka occasionally comes back from hell to yell at Rodin for letting Viola skip class. There's still hope for you anon.
Opinions on the new jinx chapter?>>287133>consequences
You know he won't. After 30+ chapters Joo will fali in love with him and start being nice kek. Very predictaple story, actually reminds me of early toxic
I mean let's not act like this cliche ▪︎in-debt-also-have-a-ill-family-member-i-owe-money-to-gangsters-now-im-selling-my-body-to-a-hot-rich-asshole-who-will-later-fall-in-love-with-me▪︎ of story is also not predictable.
Still I will say I do like that the professions in the story are different than usual.
You've got fine taste there, nonnie
. I hope one day they do have a crossover and meet
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amachin wa jishou is so cute kek. feels like a shojo manga
NTA but I feel like there is a difference between dark romance and torture porn. I love dark, complex, and problematic
romances, but Jinx is just depressing. I'm literally only reading it because I want to understand the discussions about it in this thread, also the art is nice, and there is a small, small part of me that is hoping something drastic will happen to turn the tables and make the seme change his behavior. I want to see the seme display literally any other emotion than horny or angry. I like sadist characters but he doesn't even feel like a sadist, he's like a selfish animal that just fucks because he has to, the uke is just collateral damage.
For people who like it, is there any other appeal than just the well drawn sex scenes? How are you hoping it ends, are you rooting for them to stay together?
for me i can at least believe the top being the asshole that he is because it's male behavior. i can't fucking stand the bottom though. there's no depth or relatability to his character, hes just "cinnamon roll" personified. dont get me wrong i love dark/abusive
romances, but i want to see the psychological degradation, you know? the bottom literally hasn't had any change in personality or mentaility despite being raped multiple times; the way he processes the trauma is nonexistent. i dont care what happens to him because he cant even stand up for himself kek. the entire thing is tropey though, and thats why i dont take it seriously. at this point im just reading to see how ridiculous and stupid the author is gonna make them act.
I sort of agree with >>287200
, the way the bottom has absolutely nothing change in him despite the horrific abuse he's put through makes it satisfying to see the top slap him around a bit and hopefully make him grow a spine. I'm not a fan of those stories in which the cinnamon roll precious baby gets coddled and nursed all the time, I want to see an actual reaction and have him show some emotion. I actually like the top a lot and read the story basically to see what crazy shit he does next.
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He's drawn with really big hips sometimes. And then he's wearing panty like underwear yet his dick is completely invisible, no bulge at all. I know it's just because the author can't draw, but it's still unappealing. Just wanna know if the art improves.
Honestly calling Killing Stalking a "BL" webtoon is debatable, it came off more as some fucked up crime story than a BL manga. It's made explicitly clear that Sangwoo is straight and obsessed with his mother (which he forces Yoonbum to be after kidnapping him) and Yoonbum is the borderline homophobic "got raped by a man so now he wants the guy he imprinted on to do the same" BPD-kun stereotype, it just has no other BL elements than male on male sex that's portrayed from a very unerotic angle. To me it's a very similar case as Litchi hikari club, it's a psychological thriller that uses homosexuality for the shock value so I wouldn't call it "BL". That's just how I see it, other people might have a different interpretation.
And no, the art doesn't improve.
What's meant here is the "raped until gay" stereotype i.e. that gay people turn gay as a part of their mental illness because they've been sexually abused by the same gender and are looking to relive the trauma to gain control, not because they're attracted to the same sex innately.>>287228>>287263
I would say that KS is more enjoyable as a psychological thriller than BL, but the story gets very repetitive very fast and none of the characters are likable. The sex scenes are very violent and uncomfortable, the character designs are pretty ugly, it's only serviceable for those who are looking for really dark things without much of a plot around them.
your analogy is just as shit lmao.
Did we even read the same story, what LOVE are you even talking about. Sangwoo fucked yoonbum and was nice to him in moments when he would hallucinate yoonbum as being his mother. Near the end of the story i remember sangwoo starting to be abusive
towards yoonbum again. There was no love, it was only one-sided from yoonbum.
Saying that yaoi is two moids being in love is just as retarded. The actual reason why it is yaoi is because of the sex between men.
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Maybe it’s just because I like menhera uke characters, but I always found bum pretty cute.
I assumed it was meant to be like
Sangwoo loves and wants to fuck his mom
Bum is a replacement for sangwoo’s mom because he killed her
Hence Sangwoo loves and wants to fuck Bum
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Do you think any form of media with male on male attraction in it counts as "BL"? Is "Misery" a great love story? There's a certain framework for the genre that sets at least some expectations and standards. I don't know why people get so butthurt over others considering KS to rather be a psychological horror story than BL when even the author said it's not a BL comic and doesn't want it to be considered as such
. It's not like BL doesn't deal with dark themes, I like them too and Harada and Asada Nemui are both really popular for their works, but Killing Stalking pretty clearly has the happenings of a crime drama in its focus instead of developing a relationship between two male characters. Yoon is said in the story to have BPD which makes him obsess over his favourite person and Sangwoo is just fucked in the head treating Yoon as a stand-in for his mother, the sex scenes like already described are portrayed in a very violent and ugly way emphasizing Yoon's pain, their relationship doesn't exist as anything else than a mentally ill co-dependence.
Kek you're in the lolcow fujo thread and thinking that anons here are these ""puriteens"" living inside your head because they, don't think babbys first edgy thriller is a BL story even when people are saying they're perfectly okay with dark themes in what they consume. Nobody's saying it doesn't have gay sex, denying that the characters can be shipped or even calling a bad manhwa, it's just questionable if it can be categorized under BL when even the author straight out said that wasn't her intention. No idea why you're taking that as such a personal insult. >>287392
said the story is much more about the protagonists and their respective pasts than relationship they share. As for their relationship, Yoon first considers Sangwoo his savior because he's mentally ill and breaks in to his house to rub his face against his stuff, Sangwoo sees his opportunity to have this lunatic be the target of his rage, it ends with Sangwoo never having loved Yoon and instead treating him as some sort of a ghastly image of his mother and Yoon having developed an even unheathier obsession because he's been conditioned to believe that he can't survive without him. Their relationship doesn't go anywhere because it's not meant to, the story focuses much more on the crimes Sangwoo commits and exploring why he and Yoon are like they are, plus the police investigation and the officer struggling with his career. Both Sangwoo and Yoon are self centered and don't really "love" each other but instead project their personal needs onto each other as a cope for their past trauma. They don't really have a relationship besides the other one being a perpetual punching bag for a psychopath with terminal mommy issues. It's more of a character study than a story about men developing feelings for each other and that's literally how Koogi herself described it as. It's not one of those "I can't call this a BL because otherwise no publisher picks it up" situations but more of her just wanting to write a psychological thriller.
A character study can still fall into the romance genre, and BL can encompass a story about characters pasts within it. I really don’t understand your point at all, not all BL are about loving relationships and it doesn’t have to be, but this isn’t a story about two singular characters who interact a few times. They form an abusive
relationship and become codependent on one another and are constantly fucking, it’s a BL. If the author thinks otherwise she’s delusional, which wouldn’t surprise me considering how shit awful and poorly written KS is.
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That Koogi "quote" came after western backlash. She states in the season one epilogue that of course KS is BL and she couldn't have written it as anything else. So this is the authors actual quote. She said it's BL.
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Nonnies, how do you manage to stay devoted to the fandom with a busy schedule? As an adult I've found myself with less and less free time and I wanna be able to squeeze a little fujo down-time at least once a week.
I gave up constantly trying to stay on top of new releases, but the chil chil awards just dropped. It’s a good metric to go back and see if there’s any current BL that you missed that you might wanna read. https://www.chil-chil.net/blAwardRank/y/2023/
I follow a lot of japanese BL mags on twitter to see what they’re releasing, if anything catches my eye I write it down and try to come back to it when I have time. I think prioritizing hobbies is important but don’t let them overwhelm you nona
I’m not taking it as a personal insult that cope is just constantly used by zoomers who think they’re above “fujos” and don’t want to admit they are fujos because they see it as a problematic
thing or whatever, like >>287416
said the author is basically delusional and she made every point I had in mind. Like it has graphic gay sex scenes, and the “BL” aspect is a huge part of it how anyone can deny that is just absolutely insane to me>>287513
but anybody who reads ultra feminine trap manga has shit taste.
>>287674>spamming>saged posts that were deleted soon after being made
you don't know what that word means
anyway i'm just annoyed by that anon. will stop replying now though
>>287667> her (you?)
I not her, is it so hard for you to accept that several people disagree with you? You are the one who said >>287513
after one negative reply, take your meds.>>287674
I swear I saw someone do the same thing in the fujocringe thread the other day, at this point I assume it's someone baiting.
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afaik it's actually something that started in Japan? I keep having this problem lately where I open a new manga, don't read the tags, then immediately get slapped in the face with this shit.
No one was really even bitching, a few nonnies saying they dislike something isn’t a dogpile. I don’t even care if you read korean BL, I just think it’s ugly shlock. Frankly, I think a lot of jpn BL is ugly shlock too.
Feel free to post some recs that don’t all the look the the exact same thing
anons this may surprise but there are anons here since the other threads. Its not just about this one thread , its all these past threads. The weird shitting on manhwas while at the same time putting mangas on a pedestal like they are something so much better.
Anons cant go a thread without moralfagging about ABUSIVE
manhwas, saying they hate manhwas because they hate koreans so because they hate korea or kpop then by their logic manhwas are shit too, that all manhwas have horrible art and storys unlike mangas who are all known for their great art and storys (LMAO).
But honestly i ignore those anons because i think they are weaboos.
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i wish i could read jpn. hoshino lily has a lot of good stuff that's untranslated.
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I love Lily Hoshino, is this stuff just full-on trap bait? Or does he eventually go back to being a boy? I'd read but I can't get into stuff that is strictly a boy pretending to be a girl
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it has gay sex/is BL lol. beyond that…size differences, visual contrast, i like feminine things (but do get a bit tired of seeing feminine women since that's the often enforced default + there's nothing really novel about it), etc.
i do enjoy shojo though
is what i posted genderbender?
i've only read a few of her works, but none of them were that. they're usually just feminine men (barring one where the ukes sex was ambiguous, due to them being an alien or whatever)
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So I know I have a perverse mind, but…
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I see some nonas enjoy krauser x leon so I made a mini SFW collage of tatsumi's (psmhbpiuczn) art. She has some NSFW illustrations too so check them out!
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thanks!! so cute!
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Please do nonnie
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Sure thing! First we have leon and krauser sharing a shirtless kiss. Spoilered just in case. 1/6
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2/6Krauser having a go at Leon in front of a small audience
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3/6Leon givin Krauser a bj
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Not leonkrau but still hotKrauser choke-ridding a dude
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Not leonkrau but some nonnies may appreciateKrauser in a forceful thresome
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6/6Leon ridding Krauser
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guys don't get angry at me for posting shota oni but younger boy falls in love with an older brother type and then doms him when he gets older is a very hot scenario
luckily women don't only exist to breed kek. plenty of women can't give birth/don't want to. also men aren't automatically "stronger and smarter" than women.
maybe the misogyny lay within you and not mangaka
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>>288195>it's uncritically stated that alphas are naturally more talented and competent than omegas
As someone who reads a lot of omegaverse, I would say it's not often the case that it's presented uncritically. In fact, one of the most popular and common types of omegaverse story that gets rehashed often is a guy who is popular, talented, and successful finding out he is an omega, challenging the idea that only alphas are capable of being that way. I'd say there are actually very few original omegaverse stories that play out with a simple strong alpha and a simple meek omega, many authors use the setting to actively make points against discriminating based off of gendered sterotypes. Maybe if you're just reading pwp they lean more heavily into uncritically seeing omegas as breeding machines, but in any story based omegaverse, I think there is a lot of space for nuanced stories.
pic somewhat related, an omega character beating the shit out of some rapists during his heat.
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Tysm so much nonnie
I forgot to leave the source, but >>288014
got it. This artist has so many twitters for some reason, I know them as Not_tetsubin on twitter, but it's best to just follow on pixiv where they post everything.
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>>288212>Other omegas are submissive and weak, but THIS omega is the exception
It depends on the story, but I don't really interpret it this way most of the time. Rather, it's like people's perceptions of alphas and omegas are whats holding people back instead of there actually being something uniquely special about the person who doesn't follow the stereotypes.
Seriously. I don't want to infight but I'm tired of people comparing real life to every single piece of media they read. Don't you get tired of it? It's just a stupid bl manga following the latest fujo fad. The author is not trying to make a critique of women in society, it's just fetish smut manga.
Just say you think it's stupid. No need to compare it to real life issues.
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by that logic games like slow damage and dmmd are also "yumejo game repainted"? so the japanese fujos who only ship shounen mc x other guys are also yumejo? it's like a BL visual novel, you have the main guy and his love interests who only fuck the main guy. and the MC got his own SSR card recently and he has a solo scene where he just jerks off and one with his familiars, he's not just "some guy" like towa who is also a central character
Nta but I was one of the anons who said SOME omegaverse (as well as other bl mangas with serious themes) could be a way to explore real life issues women face and honestly I don't see anything wrong with it. Some works are meant to have a deeper meaning, some are meant to be mindless smut and I don't understand why people can autistically only see one or the other when it comes to BL. And even if some works are meant to be compared to real life issues the reader can choose to enjoy them for the smut alone. It's fine.
I don't understand why people try so hard to justify and warp why they read something to a retard who clearly can't understand how fiction can work. And it's only when it's BL or other female interests too.
kek I was so confused, but now your post makes total sense.>>288780
Do you like gachas? It's the one thing that turns me away from games, I get so frustrated. I didn't even touch Nu:Ca and TW
because of it.
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NTAYRT but does the entire idea of gachas turn you off, or just bad pull rates? I think Nu:Ca has pretty good pull rates all things considered. Twst isn’t great but you can manage to play the whole thing with just R and SR cards.
You really don’t have to spend money on most joseimuke games to actively play them so long as you’re not a huge fomo sufferer. People just get caught up in wanting every single card of their fav characters, that’s where money is really spent.
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The mangaka always adds cool older women in her series so I wouldn’t be surprised if his mom appears soon. I think the omega student with the glasses from the first chapter will show up again too, his design stuck out too much
Anyone played Slow Damage? I picked it up recently because of all the hype and good reviews I saw surrounding it, and honestly, I'm not impressed so far. I think the translation is the most off-putting thing about it. I had no idea the original was actually written in third-person POV, and for some reason, the people at Jast Blue translated it into first-person POV. I thought the writing was clunky, but when I saw how it wasn't even supposed to be first-person POV, it made sense why. I have nothing against first-person POV and think it can work, but it needs to be extremely well done and executed by someone who knows what they're doing with character voice.
The fact that the Jast Blue people just took third-person POV and translated it directly into first-person POV is baffling to me, because the POVs are not that interchangeable. There's details you'd put in third-person POV that you wouldn't put in first-person POV, and vice versa. I feel like I'm missing a lot of context to Towa's original characterization because of this. Towa's characterization comes off as annoying to me because of how his thoughts are narrated in first-person instead of third, and some of it seems unnatural at times.
My other issue is the slang and text talk in actual dialogue lol. Just why? I'm no expert at Japanese but I can tell from hearing the voice lines that what the characters actually say are not matching up with the dialogue in the text. And some of the slang used is either stuff I've never heard before, or stuff that feels like it will date the game instead of letting it be timeless.
I'll be continuing the game, but I'm very disappointed because I had high expectations based on all the reviews of people hyping it up. I'm sure the original game in Japanese is great, but the translation is definitely souring my experience, and I feel bad knowing that what I'm reading is not what the actual writer intended. From what I can tell, the translations for the other N+C VNs were fine, so why did Jast Blue mess with Slow Damage's translation like this?
I’ve noticed this a lot in more recent japanese to english official translations. It’s almost like they don’t take the work seriously because it’s anime and think it only appeals to terminally online people, so they translate it with a lot of awkward internet slang and gen z humor. It degrades so many works and seriously affects how characters are read.
As for why they put it into first person POV, I can only imagine it’s because third person VNs less common than first person dating sims in the west and maybe they thought it wouldn’t do well? Was DMMD in first person? I can’t even remember that far back
I haven't played Slow Damage (yet?) but I remember finding the twitter accounts of some of the Jast Blue VNs and they were taking that shit way too seriously. As in, they seemed very pretentious about how localization is an art and you wouldn't understand it unless you're fluent in Japanese they're all most likely N3 or some shit
. They acted like wannabe writers which would be fine if they made good translations but I guess that's not actually what happened kek. Like instead of saying>I used the word "fuckboy" in that sentence because idgaf it's close enough to what the sentence means in Japanese"
they were posting shit like>well, actually! I used the word "fuckboy" because in English there's no direct equivalent to what's said in Japanese and I personally interpret the character as using this type of language because it's MY interpretation and my interpretation is important! Because I'm so important you guys! If it weren't for me you wouldn't be able to read that VN, btw we're not gonna translate Lamento despite advertising it for months/years on our online store because fuck you I guess!!!
I blocked them so I can't find their usernames anymore but I'm sure if you go to the Jast Blue twitter account and lurk a little you'll see some of them.
I have noticed the translation problem you're talking about in anime, but I don't understand why translators for a VN like Slow Damage feel the need to do this. I'm paying for the experience of reading a story; I'd prefer if it was as close to what the original writer intended as possible, without any of the translators' biases. I understand that sometimes you can't translate things literally and there are metaphors/idioms in Japanese that wouldn't make sense in English, so you'd need to find the English alternative that conveys the same meaning, but at this point the Slow Damage English translation is just adding shit that wasn't even there in the first place and warping the characters' personalities.
I also would like to know if DMMD was originally in first-person. If the fan translation was in first-person POV, then maybe the original was as well? I feel like the Jast Blue team made the decision to translate Slow Damage as first-person instead of third-person because they wanted to capture the same hype surrounding DMMD and its success in the western fandom.
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So annoying, yet she can't even afford to get an official translation of Lamento and release it after paying for it. She should have shut her mouth and not advertised it, I'm still salty.
while this is true, im thinking more of stuff i see where it's just the bottom being abused by everyone, and not in the hot way. i feel like it's something i see more of from westies. just really graphic and vivid depictions of seemingly realistic abuse, which is why i was wondering what the appeal to that is, and if it is projection. but maybe some people just find that hot, as >>289381
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This sounds like a massive nitpick but I don’t get the point of adding a fanservice-y character like her into a game that’s catered towards a female audience, I know she is a minor character but still
Have you seen all the bad ending in BL's visual novels? Not everyone likes this stuff but the content has always been there tbh.>>289391
It's been years since I've played but I think you are supposed to dislike her.
yeah this honestly
i think these random female characters are >quasi-self inserts, to show how a woman might fit into the setting>a woman going "hm, i am getting a little tired of all these guys, why not draw a woman for a quick switch up" >someone going "it's too unrealistic to only have guys"
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She was only 'fanservic-y' in the sense that she's the only woman around (literally - TnC doesn't have any other female character, even nameless ones) and she gets shit done. Having a world where 100% of characters are men in BL just feels weird and unrealistic, so I appreciate when writers add one or two females.
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From what I see from Japanese let's-plays, DMMD was in the first person:>https://www.youtube.com/@komi3170/videos
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Do you have anything of value to add?
I don't really have anything to add, but I also don't mind male or female npcs, and like VNs with some deeper plot so I think a variety of characters can add to it.
But I also don't blame anyone if they hate certain kinds of characters. They've definitely put some cringe archetypes of women in games.
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It would create a nice juxtaposition between her good life and how shit the MC's life has become. Wasted opportunity.
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>>289729>thankfully almost extinct trope
Not as extinct as I would like. Pic very related - the most disappointing BL film I've watched so far.
>>289729>Harada is super based for including so many good female characters in her manga and I wish more artists would do what she did.
So true, the girl from Nii-chan is one of my favorite characters of hers. It is kinda cheesy when side girl characters in BL are revealed as lesbians, but I love it every time. In Nii-chan in particular, it made sense because the reason she approached the main boy in the first place was for a cover relationship to have people leave her alone. She was really cool.
I also love Shiori from Asa to Yoru, she was just really cute and Asa deserved what happened to him for hurting her lmao. The menhera girl was pretty fun too at times.
Niichan is one of my favourite works from her and I love how Maiko (the main girl) was written in it, and her being revealed as a lesbian looking to cover her own sexuality was a great move since you don't see lavender marriage being represented that often even when it's the reality of gay and lesbian people in Japan. The menhera girl was really funny and I like that she made a cameo in Happy Shitty Life.
>people speculated that Harada was a man because of how openly misogynistic the pedo guy was
Really? If people can't separate the twisted morals of an emotionally damaged and traumatized character from the creator they should stick to watching kids' shows only. I figured that he was coping with his homosexuality with misogynist thoughts, the guy literally was terrified of kissing his boyfriend in public after being subjected to literal conversion therapy by his parents who iirc blamed his disinterest on being molested as a kid.
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>>289300>And some of the slang used is either stuff I've never heard before, or stuff that feels like it will date the game instead of letting it be timeless.
You can't translate the slang separate from the speech specific to each character.
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Kek at the replies, it’s literally a Jesus hated them because he told them the truth moment.
It’s nice to see yumesisters and fujos come together here though.
is op a moid?
i can't tell but his examples of 'female otaku' still seem to be idealized depictions of women. all hyper feminine and super pretty
after rereading the post a little slower, i'll agree.
qrts can't seem to understand she isn't talking about interests/fictional shit, but rather how they impact the actual world. no fujos are pantsing highschool-aged boys or riding by on bikes to grope them (both real things male otaku have done)
men so much haha
Ooohh I remember reading this shit, bottom admitted he didn't like getting fucked but still let it happen, just because he felt like he has to.
What a cute love story that was.
I liked that one couple with the cute meek glasses guy and the dominant one.
Main one was kind of meh>>288914
I love Asada Nemui so much. I think the protagonist has a lot of potential for an interesting character growth if she writes him right. He seem like one of those rich and privileged "not like the other girls" girls you find that think mysoginy is not their problem just because they never encountered it in their bubble of wealth. Really realistic tbh, as far as you can be realistic with omegaverse.
I also like the poor blondy omega guy, really sad how he just decides that the only way to survive is to objectify himself because that's how society treats him.
The whole omegaverse thing is such a cool concept if you actually try to talk about the social issues involved in it as mirrors to the reproductive and prejudice issues women face irl everyday.
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not exactly related to BL – probably just fandom culture – but here's a pretty interesting article on propship/anti drama from a japanese artist (?): https://note.com/orangiah/n/n437e262ce2ce
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this page made me kek>>290683
castehaste, kind of. can read it on either mangadex or mangago. it's very very retarded though (caste heaven levels of retarded, if you've ever read that)
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I want to read more mangaverse Kawoshin doujins…Karl going full autismo sperg in them is cute.
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can anyone recommend BL that's funny?
this is from sukebe no seishun
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This is an absolute long shot but does anyone recognize what doujin this is from? (Ikik shit fandom) but I was browsing samples a long time ago and took this screenshot. Coming back to it now, I'm curious how the story could end.
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Where are the slow burn, enemies to friend to lovers, fluff and smut and angst with a side of minor character character, explicit language and hurt/comfort fanfics??
Avatarfagging ugly IRL moids in my fujo thread?
…Also what fandoms do you want the fics from? AO3 has tags for a lot of those things already.
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in regard to the recent developments of BB, do you think sebastian and ciel will still go through with the demon contract? who do you think is polaris?
It's been a while but isn't Polaris just the real Ciel who needs blood transfusions all the time because of his zombified body needing it?
Unless you're talking about the guy(?) with the hoods who claims to be the real Ciel's butler?
I'm not all caught up yet with the manga because the chapters are short so I wait for several of them to come out, is the arc with Finny over yet or not? Last time I read it Finny and Snake went to an orphanage and found out that Doll was there too despite being dead and then there was a cliffhanger.
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>>291400polaris is the guy who claims to be real ciel's butler like you said. He killed agni shortly before real ciel came back to regain his role as the ''rightful'' heir. But regarding the blood transfusion, it raises even more questions, is polaris a bizarre doll? is doll a bizarre doll as well? I think real ciel is sirius as he stated a few chapters ago.
sadly, the mini arc of snake and finny in the orphanage has yet to end though i'm sure things will pick up back soon once we enter the final phase of this arc with sebastian and ciel's return
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Yana said herself she felt the anime ending was like the “bad route” ending for the story, if Sebastian doesn’t eat Ciel in the end I think people will riot. It’s an absurd long shot, but I personally love the rciel theory that he was the one who got their family killed
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>>291423>Yana said herself she felt the anime ending was like the “bad route” ending for the story
Which anime? Kuroshit I or Kuroshit II?
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2, when Ciel gets turned into a demon and they live miserably together for the rest of their lives in hell.
iirc she said on twitter that Ciel won't live long enough to celebrate his 14th birthday but given that the twist with his twin brother happened since then I wonder if she wanted to trick us into thinking our main character will die at the end, or if she meant that the real Ciel already died which would mean we still have no clue how the story is going to end for the MC. And we need to know wtf his real name is. I had the guide book long ago and the names she thought about tended to be French and related to the sky although I only remember "Astre", and there's a flashback where Vincent says something about his children's names being more modern that the average male noble's. But then again, I also said she doesn't see to give a fuck about spoiling her own manga with the whole undertaker = Cedric = Ciel's grandfather thing. Who knows.
I could post an entire essay about that manga and all the hints we have so far, but even then I have no clue what could happen. I don't even read that shit for the fanservice or anything and never did, I just want to know wtf is going on. Tanaka has to know something, I bet he knows everything and is hiding everything because he received some weird orders from… who knows, but he's going to be important somehow.
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Yeah the stuff with Tanaka is such a big mystery. I know a lot of people think he’s going to be Polaris, but I’m not really into that theory. It seemed more like he just always knew Ciel took his brother’s identity, which I guess wouldn’t be surprising since he spent the most time with oCiel. Pic related was always such a weird panel though, so curious what he was going to say about rCiel
Pretty sure Yana intends to have Ciel’s contracted fulfilled (dies before 14) but I’ve seen a lot of people say he’s going to be merged with rCiel (one has a good body, the other has a good soul) to make a full singular Ciel, which might be a loophole for actually killing himI’m also convinced Yana is never going to reveal oCiel’s actual name
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>>291433Yana kind of sets up the fake Ciel's real name to be plot relevant somehow though, but again, we don't know. At the same time in many mythologies and religions, names are extremely important, knowing someone's or something's "real" name means you have power over them, and since Sebastian signed a contract with him, I'm sure the fact that he at least knows his real name will be very important for his own plans. I guess it's why it's also important in Death Note and in other stories I've read before, and why religious people will tell you to not say God's name in vain if you swear for stupid shit, even though we don't know the abrahamic god's name anymore.As for that page you posted, that's exactly why I'm sure Tanaka knows something very important. I doubt he's Polaris but if he knew him from their job at the manor or even before that I wouldn't even be surprised. The twins already saw a bunch of brutally murdered people before that so I doubt the scene he was hiding was that gory. But the fact that he was attacked from the back after turning in the fake Ciel's direction and yet he survived could mean a lot of things. He's a very strong fighter but that's not enough, I bet he was just talking more or less normally to whoever was there and that person stabbed him in the back to hide their conversation or relationship because a witness showed up. I also doubt that whoever killed almost everyone at the manor did it just to sell the children to a sect. I'm sure it has something to do with the family's role as the royal family's spies, especially given how suspicious queen Victoria was acting when she heard about the zombies and how it was hinted she will probably want to create an army of bizarre dolls to fight Germany during WW1, or probably just to resurrect her dead husband just like in season 1 of the anime.
By the way in hindsight I bet the first season didn't come up with everything original in it, I wouldn't be surprised if Yana told the studio a lot of the ideas she wanted to use for the manga to give them inspiration for the original plot lines. Kind of how the first FMA anime had an original plotline after following the first volumes of the manga, but the mangaka gave a shit ton of spoilers to the studio of chapters she didn't even draw yet at the time to give them ideas of what to do and what not to do.
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I mean just in the context of the story, Ciel and Sebastian don’t really like each other and neither really want that ending ultimately (that’s what makes the ship good)>>291438I never considered Polaris might be someone who worked at the manor previously, that would be great. I always thought the idea that rCiel contracted a demon previously for the manor murders and that the demon returned because he was brought back to life was a fun theory tooI’m dying for the story to get back to Ciel and Sebastian, Yana loves to plant little hints but I feel like all of the side character stuff has killed all the fun theorizing. I’ll take anything at this point to chew on
>I wouldn't be surprised if Yana told the studio a lot of the ideas she wanted to use for the manga to give them inspiration for the original plot lines
This definitely happened considering Undertaker. I personally hated the angels though in the anime, kinda hope those don’t come back in the manga (I know the Charles’s and Brown are primed for it…but I can hope)
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do you think joker and dagger explored each other's bodies?
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Watch the movie if you haven’t, it’s the most worth it out of all the series. And the OVAs for pic related’s scene
And then read the manga
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it should be gayer because this queen deserves more than a liar or a corpse who looks like him
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Somebody hasn't watched Kuroshitsuji II.
Canon manga Kaworu is a dick, tbh I prefer his fanon version. Cassino's doujins capture his actual personality well but I don't think she's made any for a while
Also, I can't stand how this artist draws Shinji like a girl with a microdick. He's a boy! Draw him like one! Also the nipple stuff is weird, but that's just not my thing.>>290990
kek nona you calling manga Kaworu moidy is cracking me up. You're not wrong
I'm sure the real Ciel will be weirdly yandere for the main character
but you're kind of right. Let's say it's vaguely BL adjacent because it's obviously made by a fujoshi mangaka but I've always been a fujoshi and I can't even ship any of the guys together in that one. The arc that's the closest to bringing fanservice on a regular basis is the one in the prestigious college imo.
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How do ya'll feel about the revival remakes evoke in the fandoms?
Personally I'm always a little adamant about remakes because they usually pale in comparison to the original, but, I can't negate that the new influx of fans open the door to nice new BL content.
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Fuckin hate yaoi grifters
You have tumblr/twitter girls (mostly fakebois) who just a few years ago were saying yaoi and fujoshis should be abolished now posting our yaoi cocaine and yaoi paddles memes, those are our memes you cant just steal them from hardworking fujoshis when you were against our fujo rights.
A lot of anons on this site do this, too. Do they realize they're using the same line of thinking that tranny groomers do? Jesus Christ, I just like drawings of hot guys. I have zero interest in cutting my boobs off or growing a pube beard.
Why the hell do women's hobbies have to be scrutinized so hard? Why does everything we do have to be a reflection of our character? Men can enjoy things on a casual, superficial level. Why can't we? Anons will call themselves Radfems and then immediately turn around and scream at other women for being "coomers," as if looking at drawings is in any way comparable to men throwing money at a billion dollar industry that films actual women being raped. Bizarre.
Me! I am really liking it so far and am a few hours in. I prefer it over Slow Damage at least (my favorite was Rei but his route was horrendous). It has a blend of fantasy, adventure, military, and horror elements. It'd be good for someone that's been wanting a slightly tragic, story-orientated, and low-nonsense BL VN. I also like all 4 characters even if some are plainer than others.
However I finally hit the first character's romance arc and it's rather awkward/rushed feeling and makes me worry about the actual BL parts. Also, it seems to have very few choices.
honestly 'bl' itself isn't being normalized, just gay romance. i feel there's a difference between something utterly soft and normie like given or heartstopper vs fujoshi staples like, a harada manga, or a black butler doujinshi. the bland shit is what's becoming normal and touted as the "standard" and even worse, the "ideal" that all bl should ascribe to. as for danmei…
i dunno, i can't bring myself to care for danmei. something about the aesthetics turns me off. and cultivation's dull to my brain, i just can't get into it
BL is definitely more popular now cause of korean manhwa. When I used tiktok, I saw lots of posts about Jinx, Painter of the Night, Mad Dog, Yours to Claim, etc. with 100k+ likes. Imo it's a different fanbase from Heartstopper, Young Royals, etc. The latter fans are the ones who don't shut up about having good rep in media and wholesome storylines. >fujoshi staples like, a harada manga, or a black butler doujinshi
Staples in what way? Harada is infamously avoided by plenty of fujos who don't like rape/incest/age-gap storylines and BB doujin is as much a staple now as junjo romantica ie no one is talking about it in 2023. What's the "standard" for BL readers is more what I wrote above, basically kinda trashy binge-able stories, not necessarily soft stuff. Same situation for rofan and isekai.
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To be fair stuff like dmmd is still pretty mainstream, especially with Aoba being called ‘yaoi jesus’ on Twitter now
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Wow this is actually surprisingly good taste? I doubt the sample size was that big though.
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As a decades long BL manga reader I finally read my first MXTX danmei recently and wtf, it was so great. I was avoiding them for so long because the fans are so fucking annoying (still true, I looked up some fanart while reading and immediately saw some people being obnoxious as hell and mischaracterizing things; how did niche chinese fantasy erotica get so popular in a time when BL is so hated? A lot of the fans seem young too, I'm kinda shocked because these books are pretty fucking dense, do they just skip to the romance scenes..??) but the story itself was really good and definitely scratched an itch for a longer, slower romance. Also I have more respect for chinese fujos after learning that they risk getting arrested for privately publishing their works.
My biggest criticism of the actual work (and danmei so far, as well as part of why I avoided it in the first place) is that every character looks the fucking same. Every time a new character was introduced I felt like his physical description/pics included of him was exactly the same as everyone else around him. I can't tell you fucking people apart.
>>292223>Harada is infamously avoided by plenty of fujos
That doesn't mean she's not a staple author. She's having exhibitions in Tokyo that are heavily marketed, she has won multiple awards for her work, her series have been localized in multiple languages and she's applauded as one of the most iconic BL mangakas of the decade. She got hired to do character designs for non-BL multimedia projects. Just because people who like softer works don't read her mangas it doesn't mean that she's some underground player who hasn't caused waves in the community. Even fujos that normally don't like dubious consent have liked her creations because they're just so well written with relatable characters.>>292323>how did niche chinese fantasy erotica get so popular in a time when BL is so hated?
I think it's because there was a very aggressive effort to gentrify BL and make it palatable to the masses but fujos were yearning for more "problematic
" content and Danmei delivered. Slow burn has also been extremely popular recently and danmeis are known for that, and I think it also plays a part that there are so many bilingual English/Chinese speakers (compared to English/Japanese and English/Korean ones) who were able to adeptly translate the works and make them accessible to everyone.
This term made me kek because I knew exactly what kind of people you were referring to before even reading the rest of your post. And then after they get tired they start talking about how BL brainwashed them into trooning out, accuse fujos of misogyny and then move on to either being homophobic straight shippers or unhinged yuri addicts. >>292135
If they're such radfems I think they shouldn't give a fuck about fujos abusing fictional male characters. Most of them are just mad that they can't self insert as a girl and that's why they're forcing the "fujo to troon pipeline" meme about fujos being Aiden eggs dreaming about getting pounded by a hot yaoi hand seme. Which has ironically enough been a traditional scrote cope since the 90's.
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I don't think so judging by VNDB, or so I hope cuz I'm playing it now and I would die if it showed up. Some of the scenes are weird to me though, kek…
What was this from, nonna?
Also KEK at koujaku and noiz being tied.
AYRT and yeah that's why I asked what they mean by staple. I agree Harada is a huge name in BL (nii-chan is my fave of her works lol) and the dark themes she explores are commonplace in the genre. I just think there's also plenty of fujos that respect her and love the genre but stick to lighter themes. But I think I misread them and they're just saying that new BL fans are defining BL incorrectly as "fluffy gay romance" and still judging everything else. Which is more of the same moral policing as usual.
So I kinda still half agree, half disagree. BL is more normalized now at least in that less women are calling it fetishization of gay men and are understanding that it's a genre by women, for women. It's not just fluffy romances that get popular either and more ppl get annoyed when someone yells problematic
. It's also just objectively more popular cause of longer running BL manhwa that get more traction than single volume manga. But Western fans still argue about why separate ship tags for top/bottom exist for instance, showing a lack of understanding for the cultural context where these works are being created and where the fandoms started.
It's not an issue exclusive to BL, cause like Western shounen fans will debate about MHA "sexualizing teens" whenever Momo is in her hero suit and say fan service is a problem in the genre ("why is no one talking about this??"), when it's a staple. Doesn't mean that shounen anime isn't more normalized and popular now tho, compared to ten years ago.
(Pls no one say I sound like a copypasta)
Some Twitter poll>>292411
Very very good for the first two routes, pretty shit for the other three. Tamamori’s a pretty great character, he’s basically a fake deep moron who’s honestly really relatable with his struggles of ‘I have no actual friends, everyone just hangs out with me because I’m an idiot and it makes them feel better about themselves.’
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It's very good. It's not very porn centric though (though one romance is super important for the plot)
narratively the first two routes are really good albeit a bit convoluted unfortunately the mc is uh, straight. the typical trope of a straight bottom who gets fucked in the ass that's why the romance sucks. i don't like the straight bottom trope that's why it left a bitter taste in my mouth
kawase best boy
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i wish lala didn't have this ugly middle part
also know it will never happen but an anime would be nice…make kyo-ani do it
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Woke twitter users hate shota, but I feel like it’s relatively normal outside of that bubble. Just look at a series like genshin, which is brimming with shotabait and beloved by fujos
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Someone put this comment under some art of Kaito and Len doing making a heart with their hands. Seeing yumejo comments on fujo stuff always makes me kek. IDK why, it comes off like copium. Two dudes will be kissing and yumejo's will say 'yep, two besties just hanging out'.
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Depends on the shota
If they look too muscley then they’re just bara shit with smaller bodies
If they’re too young I usually think that just goes into its own genre of shotacon
kuroshit styled shotas are 100% traditional fujo though.
Agreed, it’s a bit harder nowadays but I think generally fujo style (or even just shoujo style) shotas have >longer more lithe legs>feminine faces (seeing thick eyebrows is incredibly rare)
While the scrote ones are usually either>ugly proportioned muscley kids with big ass eyebrows for some reason
Or>just look like infants
Kek, I can tell you joined post /m/ purge.
Shotas are a part of fujo culture on here, deal with it.
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I wish Venti didn’t have the stupid braids, he looks so much cuter without them.
Agree, Venti is a shota only to either actual pedo scrotes on copium or moralfags who are obsessed with seeing pedophilia everywhere. To everyone else he's just a short twink.>>292546
This, the braid give him more personality. I wouldn't want to play a game that had everyone rocking a generic pretty boy hairstyle.
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It's not a headcanon, he is a child. picrel Seriously, how can you look at these two pictures and consider one a shota and not the other?>>292509>>292532
he's literally not even a teenager though, he's just a thousand year old shota trope. how stupid do you have to be to look at that thing and think "well, he looks like a child, he has the voice of a child in every single dub of the game, people call him a child, and everyone's first impression of him is that he's a child but he's not 4'1" so he must really be… a teenager!"
>The only ones doing that, Japanese or other, do it only when they're actually headcanoning him as a child for fetish purposes.
this is just straight up false. the jp community refers to all
characters with that short boy body type as shota, including ones with jobs like xiao, cyno, albedo, etc. and no, not for porn purposes. rather, no one refers to characters of that model type as "teens" over there. it's known as the shota body type. the western community are the only ones uncomfortable with it, and just because the ones that aren't in that community tend to be edgelords doesn't mean that's how it works anywhere else. quit trying to get people to believe false information to make yourself feel less unhinged for wanting to fuck a character who looks like a 10 year old.
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KEK this is my first reply to you and my first post on the subject, eat a dick "he said he was legal"-chan
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Recs for BL with characters that look like Rei? Top or bottom, nasty or sweet, idc I just need him
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Confession (I'm not really sure this is a spoiler but beware anyway) I ragequit Lamento because I found out that you can't fuck this guy. While it's been 4 years I still am ashamed. >>292608
I'm sorry but wouldn't being real ruin yaoi
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Kek, I loved Kaltz too. That being said, the characters in lamento also remind me of amnesia (otome game) because of the sheer number of belts each outfit has. I don't know what it is about older visual novel males and belts.
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Kek, I loved Kaltz too. That being said, the characters in lamento also remind me of amnesia (otome game) because of the sheer number of belts each outfit has. I don't know what it is about older visual novel males and belts.
I played this game because I wanted to try out an otome (that wasn’t hatoful)
My god the guys in it were douchebags.
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Not even a fan of omegaverse, but he is unbearably breedable and the fact that there are no fics or art of omega Kaworu getting impregnated is a crime. Maybe I'll do it myself
Anything that was big when a lot of the 25+ crowd were teens(2000's-early 2010's), and/or fandoms that have long staying popularity. Harry Potter, Naruto, Tiger & Bunny, Osomatsu-san, Gintama, Persona 4, Dangan Ronpa, etc. Anything a little "problematic
" usually has older/more chill fans too, like Hetalia, most moid media if you have the stomach for it, Skyrim, Fallout, TF2, etc. Some more recent fandoms also have a large 25+ contingent, danmei especially, but it's also full of idiot zoomers so beware. Any classic fandom that got a modern update(Fire Emblem, Trigun) might have some old guard sticking around, but most will be new. BioWare games also have a very large 30+ fanbase but literally all of the BioWare fandom I've seen is totally insufferable except for two actual grannies, so I wouldn't recommend it. I'd rather go to Gitmo than rejoin the Dragon Age fandom
>>292978>how dare others enjoy bl differently, they are not TRUE FUJOS like I AM.
Are you a fujo police? are those yumejos in the room right now?
Instead of your schizo shitpost, you'd be better off posting something related to bl.
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agree with other anons; all x bottom is extremely valid
, you just have shit taste. were you under the impression that yume = having a favorite character at all? I don't like yumes either but cool it, the only ones in the fujo community are aidens who should be avoided by default.
I don’t really like the village bike either, but I don’t think it’s a yumejo thing. You’re probably just seeing a lot of TIFs who like to project onto their favorite slut, which is why they so readily enjoy hetships too. Like other anons said, they should just be avoided in general.
I’m also curious what fandom you’re seeing this in, is it enstars or something?
I don't actively follow every drama on yumes threads so whatever but
>a lot of it migrated to Fujochan after its reopening which makes the thread slower
Well thats just bullshit, unless you wanted to say that half of schizos from here migrated to sperg there. The most active threads in fujochan almost anything else but not a bl.
No you didn't get what I mean, I was replying to post about: how most bl discussion migrated to fc and that's why here is schizo bait everywhere.
And I am meant to say that fc is not different from this thread. Flood of hate autism, virtuesignaling and tiny bits of an actual bl.
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Someone had to post the based pic and stop the infighting. Now claim which type of fujo you are.
t. snake fujo
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Frog, for sure. The pairing itself and how well it's written is most important to me, not so much who tops. Although I do sometimes have a mild preference when writing my own fic or making my own art, so maybe a hint of snake? But unlike the snake, I tend to like both characters in a ship equally or almost equally.
Side note, I've seen snake-type fujos where the seme
is the bicycle of all their ships. I'd actually go so far as to say that having a favorite seme like that is more common among anglophone fujos, at least in the fandoms I've been in.
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I can’t enjoy any ship these days unless I can turn them into a switch ship in my own demented head so probably frog/turtle
can I get some opinions about Lamento, the VN? I was interested in playing through it entirely though it seems rather daunting. >>292997
nta but why bring up yumejos? it's really strange to categorize anyone having a very specific BL opinion as one. also I've seen troons elsewhere admit to wanting to start NLOG-type fights between fujos and yumes. like >>293027
who ironically notes internalized misogyny but then immediately parses a massive, diverse group of women as all unwashed autists.
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it was because he wanted to be bred by shinji, obviously. Duuuh. Come on nonna.>>292793
based. do share with us if you ever draw it.
They already did. They ran to the anti-fujo thread to screech about how we supposedly all insult yumes and used it as an excuse to defend the blatantly misogynistic insults posted there (nonsense about how dating a moid will make us "quit," or how we like BL because we're unattractive irl). I'm not under any illusion that liking BL is somehow feminist or whatever, but the shit people say about us there makes me wonder who the fuck hurt them. You'd think a fujoshi fucking stabbed their grandmothers to death or something.
But of course then they say the quiet part out loud occasionally: that they're mad about m/m getting all the fics and fanart in female-dominated fandom spaces. Like they're mad at us for having more creative energy and being more productive than them. If the ratio of gay fanart upsets you so much, draw/write your own shit instead of complaining so much.
I didn't know the fujo woman hate thread was still alive>>293227
I mean a lot of them hate that too because they get jealous of female characters same as male ones. And the m/f artist rite of passage is complaining about or at the very least shading the fujo overpopulation.
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Imagine dedicating that much of your time to seething about silly fandom bullshit. Like go drink water or take a nap instead. Pic tax.
Nta but I think anon means self-insert in the more literal sense of shipping yourself with a character or creating an oc who is ostensibly you to ship with them. Tired of people saying fujos "self-insert," when what they actually mean is "projection." It's true that many fujos project onto one of the characters. It's common, but it's not universal. I personally tend to gravitate towards ships involving two characters with very big personalities, and it's kind of hard to project in that instance without bastardizing the characterizations I enjoy. I've also never been big into super femmy or neotenous ukes (no shade if that's your thing, though.) I want to look at two sexy men, not one sexy man and a weird quasi-pubescent bobblehead creature.
That said, I'm also wary of NLOG fujoshis who hate ukes so hard they meme themselves into exclusively liking hairy baras or 3DPD. Not that it's bad to enjoy those things either, I just think that sometimes the fujos who say stuff like that have bought into the "muh fetishizing gays," shit and now feel morally obligated to only enjoy m/m stuff made by and for scrotes. Tailoring your own interests to be as palatable as possible to your critics is a losing game.
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%1000 a turtle fujo, after 15 years of enjoying the fujoshi lifestyle I became less picky and allowed myself to simply enjoy BL in the moment as it is.
>>293378>Tired of people saying fujos "self-insert," when what they actually mean is "projection."
This. I overall feel like people have trouble making a distinction between finding a character enjoyable and/or relatable and self-inserting.
>That said, I'm also wary of NLOG fujoshis who hate ukes so hard they meme themselves into exclusively liking hairy baras or 3DPD.
I know the exact type. I'm into those feminine ukes and the NLOG fujos who think they're more progressive for only liking what could pass as something made for gay men get ridiculously snooty about it and can't go for one second without boasting about how they don't like "stereotypical bottoms" and how problematic
the "effeminate uke" type is. Someone should tell them that you can enjoy things without making it a goddamn political statement.
>>293053>you need to look good for your husbando instead of being a pizza faced fatty
They're honestly probably not that far off though, even most fictional men are douchebags like that. I'd be a hypocrite if I disagreed anyway since I used to tell waifufag moids that their waifu would never love them and openly find them repulsive personality and looks wise.
Personally I've never been interested in having a waifu or a husbando outside of joking 'lol she's my wife' stuff so I don't think I'll ever get how people get this intense over it, but I'm also not even remotely surprised that people get this intense over it, after all I read a post a while back from a husbandofag getting mad about the community being anti polygamist or something.
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Is Lkyt on Steam uncensored? The graphics seem to suggest so, but I'm confused. I thought Steam didn't allow sex in games?
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What are your thoughts about jp-furry, realistic animal faces on human bodies, yaoi and BLs?
I think I might actually be ok with it despite the initial weirdness
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I guess it depends on the head, for example the hotline miami guys are okay in my mind but I guess is because there's a human behind the animal head. That said, I really like kemonomimi and such.
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There's a big difference between kemonomimi and furry heads though…
I'm ambivalent. I find certain features like demon/dragon horns, sharp teeth, etc, really hot but all the way will always be too awkward for me. >>293710
Not really sure. If you really are paranoid you could always buy and fast forward skip to a sex scene, and get a refund if it is censored. For steam it's one hour, I think?
Ok nevermind, it doesn't really matter and Lkyt turned out way more tragic than I thought it would be. Yaoi made me cry for the first time in a year and this probably says something about me that I don't want to know. >>293068
Turtle is life
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Semi-related and a bit of a rant but it’s annoying how some people will accuse you of being a fujoshi for liking bishie/handsome characters and it’s usually by sexually insecure scrotes who feel threatened by how attractive they are or women who are guilty about their own sexuality and feel the need to put down others to feel special. Whenever men look on women for liking attractive male characters they either say shit about how said character looks like a lesbian/troon or act like they’re being left out, like anyone wants to stare at some crusty receding hairline having ass scrote.
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Fellow girly fujos where you at?
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Same, it's so cute.
I honestly wonder why it's always
a girl child. I can't vouch for the kid being tomboyish because from what I've seen it just seems to be a generic energetic little girl, but I never got why they never included male children outside of omegaverse. I don't find little girls in anime that cute but I guess Japanese fujos genuinely think they're adorable. I also wish the children were older than toddler age.
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Are eroge and VNs in general available on Japanese Steam? Do they have uncensored versions or do Japanese laws prohibit it (they have more payment methods that may be available to minors etc.)?
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>>294157>Something like Taku/Towa is the dynamic that I usually see
Best dynamic, I like how it's usually the son grooming their father/father figure into their lover.
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Also yes Taku was my favorite route (though Fujieda's was pretty obviously the best written and 'true end')
If you guys have any dilf BL reccs with a similar dynamic, please share them with me thank youu.
Ugh, why did you have to phrase it that way? Why do you guys say these things when you know that schizo anti-fujos lurk here? I'm not trying to moralfag, but you're making us look bad.
I'm not into incest, shota, or rape, just BL. And I feel kind of stuck, because it seems like my choices are either hang out with annoying SJW TRA fujos, or hang out with edgelord fujos who berate you for getting "filtered" by incest. I get why some anons like it (the forbidden element, the unconditional connection) but man, I just can't get into it. I'm just too squicked out.
>>294206> Why do you guys say these things when you know that schizo anti-fujos lurk here?
Because I'm not going to censor my speech to placate some schizos. With that mindset you should be calling every AGP tranny a 'she', even the likes of Chris-chan.
Go self-censor on your own, until you get neurosis. I couldn't give less of a fuck what some terminally-online haters with OCD think of fujo. Let them seethe.
>>294206>Why do you guys say these things when you know that schizo anti-fujos lurk here?
Because I don't care?
Not sure how you're into BL if you're not into rape though since rape is such a huge portion of the genre.
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I wish more full cast art like this existed (I think gainax started this trend?)
I mean. I'm fine with dubcon. Like my threshold for what I think of as rape in yaoi mangas is pretty high, if that makes sense.
Also there's plenty of BL mangas (even explicit ones) without rape, tf are you talking about. I can't say what the ratio of rape to non-rape is for the above mentioned reason, and I don't doubt that it's really common, but saying that rape is a HUGE portion of BL sounds a lot like the kind of talking point people who hate us use.
Gotta love how people in this thread keep saying stuff like father/son couples are the backbone of BL and that the entire genre centers around rape. Like >>294219
said dubious consent or dubcon is something that's really common (the "oh no, I shouldn't do this but it feels so good" thing) in BL but outright rape isn't usually shown as something that's erotic compared to moid media which indulges in graphic violence against women and coincidentally they often make the "yaoi is just rape porn" accusation to devalue the genre and make fujos seem just as bad as your average male coomer getting off to loli rape. Even in darker mangas rape (rape, as in violent sexual abuse) is generally portrayed as a traumatizing event, not something to be seen as erotic.
Romance genres are always going to have a lot of grey lines for a lot of different people. Some people like certain fetishes and others don’t. You can personally dislike something without telling everyone else to agree with you. I’m sure most people would agree they only like things like rape/incest/whatever in certain contexts, and not all the time. Dubcon is a great example of how people have drawn a line where they are and are not comfortable with rape in fiction.
Liking BL really shouldn’t be this serious, find a community of likeminded people and enjoy whatever you want to enjoy. Stop worrying about people who don’t even like BL to begin with.
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Anyone have info regarding SCC30 that just happened? I like to see what series had the most circles/doujin made and I can only find stats about day one.
honestly i can enjoy incest/pseudo-incest, age gap and father/son-like relationships (like OP pic from shapolang >>283524
). it's not something to own the SJWs and not a fetish either, just something i can find interesting. i also like shota in certain situations, for instance i like shota oni and think it's a pretty wholesome BL despite the age gap. gore is fine, so is dubcon. i'm okay with rape if the plot is meant to be fucked up from the start and simply portray a toxic abusive
relationship, but if the pairing have nice chemistry and they suddenly pull a rape scene out of nowhere it's jarring and makes me not want to root for the couple anymore
after all it's just fiction and doesn't really reflect on someone's morals and values unless they're extreme lolicons/shotacons with folders full of this type of explicit art, then yeah in my opinion it's clearly a red flag
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Late but I think them always having a daughter is because>adds a female character to an other all or mostly male story, easily differentiates her from her parents>she's a tomboy because she's raised by two men>the author projecting herself onto the daughter and what she thinks an ideal father figure is onto the dads>more opportunities to dress her up/make her cute>if they have multiple kids it's always big sister and little brother(s), again probably projection on the author's part
Though tbf I do see BL series where they raise a son, usually born through one of the guy's previous relationships.
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While the guys and gals over at the anti-fujo thread are hatestalking this thread grabbing their cultivated rape/incest/pedo fetish bait screenshots and circlejerking about how much healthier their unhinged husbandofaggotry is, I'd like to introduce them to this shit I see around the site constantly way outside of the designated on-topic threads. I should really make a compilation.
No I'm just sick of dramafaggots posting about it>NOOO DON'T SAY GROOMING THE ANTI FUJOS WILL MAKE FUN OF US>LOOOL HUSBANDOFAGS WANT THEIR HUSBANDO TO HAVE SEX WITH THEM ON THE AI BOT LOOK AT THIS ANTI FUJO PEOPLE
literally no one cares aside from oversensitive newfags like yourself.
Kek then don't drag it out nonnie
, if you're not interested you can just scroll past and not react instead of starting a reply chain of numerous replies throwing a tantrum. Or better yet, start another topic of discussion yourself.
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Haha, gee I sure wonder who these guys are supposed to resemble!
It's either one turbo degenerate anon or anti-fujo retards false-flagging. Incest, particularly father-son incest, is fucking disgusting and that anon does not speak for all or even most of us. Screencap this and put it in your shitty threads, schizo-chans.>>294664
Personally, it's not "being made fun of," I take issue with, it's being called a pedophile or incest fetishist one second by antis, and then being berated by coomer-chans for getting "filtered" by degenerate shit. For fuck's sake, I just like drawings of adult, unrelated guys kissing, but it seems like no one is capable of being normal about it. Call it a fetish or a hobby or whatever you like, just stop assuming I'm into even weirder fetishes or berating me when I say I'm not into them.
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What was the ship or series that got you into BL?
I had literally never thought about shipping two male characters together before I watched Hetalia. I was young and sheltered at the time, I only ever saw/shipped hetero so my third eye burst open when I started considering gay ships. Durarara and Shizuo/Izaya came quickly after.
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Not the anon you replied to but my problem is when they shit up this thread by their retarded bait and never get redtexted to indicate that they've been shut down. They come in doing that same song and dance about the essence of fujoism being pedophilia and incest (because Kuroshitsuji existed), how fujos are "just as bad as scrotes" (needs no explanation), and how pure-hearted husbandofags are (like openly fantasizing about being violently raped and killed by their husbando) or literally never have infights (besides arguing about how obsessively dedicated you have to be to a bunch of lines on a paper) and samefag replies to keep it going for god knows how long, and when they're done they go bump that retarded thread to keep the cycle going forever. I just wish mods interfered for once because it's obvious it's like two or three obsessed bitches doing it but I guess they're as understaffed as they are.>>294859
I can't recall which ship exactly got me into BL because it was a slow progress but Kurogane and Fai from Tsubasa Reservoir chronicle was definitely one of the earliest ones. I wonder how many girls CLAMP singlehandedly made into fujos because I remember them putting a lot of BL elements and themes into their works way before BL even became popular in the west. Kek I wonder how well Vic Mignogna's little "I called CLAMP and they told me Fai isn't gay" stunt would go these days.
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Cp bump. Stay careful scrolling nonnies!
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NTA and as someone that likes problematic
BL (incest, shota, abuse, etc) I think that anon is completely valid
in not wanting people to misconstrue her interests. I am a person with very thick skin when it comes to fiction (its not real so idgaf) who can read some of the most insane dead dove shit without batting an eye, but also, there are plenty of BL that aren't like that and it isn't indicitive of the genre as a whole these days. I also love fluff and unproblematic stuff and think that some people cannot simply develop a thick skin when it comes to particular upsetting topics.
However, I think to be a responsible adult online is to accept some people in your online circles will be into some weird shit and they can't change that, so I agree with you that she will probably just need to get over it eventually. But as one of those weirdos, I think it's important that we don't force everyone to be like us. I also don't want to be misconstrued as well for simply reading made up stories, and I also don't care if other people read or don't read them so long as they don't think I'm insane for liking it. I want to advocate for the right for women to make art without restriction. Not everyone needs to like it, so long as they don't immediately try to crucify us or instantly peg us being evil for portraying upsetting topics in fiction.
I never said all of it, I said it was an undeniable part of it. If you don't want to be associated with it at all, it's better to distance yourself from it. Being into high-school age minors in particular is an extremely common thing, so much fujo stuff takes place in school. >>294883
She is valid
, but she can't deny that people will always judge her based on the worst parts of the fandom, or claim that those parts don't count. The normal thing to do in that case is ignore the haters, not cry about how you are different and totally not like these other fujos. There are other communities where she can do that, I know a lot of discord groups and whatnot don't let you post minor characters. She needs to go there unfortunately, not complain here.
Also note how the "um ackshually all fujoshit is pedoincest so if you can't take it then leave!" correlates with the CP spam once again kek. And true, they can never name these supposedly popular and numerous shota rape incest works, the best they can do is reference some degenerate trends from 4chan or mangas from the mid 00's that were already scandalous when they came out. All the best selling BL titles of today are about two consenting adults with some dubcon elements at best, I should know because I'm into varying amounts of dark themes and I can't find shit these days. >>294883
I think her issue isn't about people liking something she doesn't but like she said it's that people act weird about it, either accusing her of being a pedo or a prude depending on the side.
Nobody was actually saying that, you should have just specified that by "adults" you meant "minors that I find acceptable" instead of actual adults.
But anyway, actual shota IS thing that exists in fujo stuff, and women oriented stuff in general. I don't mean the porn itself, but the characters, who are created specifically to appeal to people who like them, including those who will sexualize them. And it's the same for anime and manga in general. If you've ever been into a big franchise that has characters from all ages (like kancolle/touken/genshin), you'll see that it includes loli/shota characters. And them being sexualized is something that happens all the time.
To be clear you don't have to like it, or defend it. You can complain and tell people they have shit taste for liking it. But pretending it doesn't exist and that it's only a couple of problematic
fujos who are making us look bad in front of the oh so normal anti-fujo miners is such a dumb, dumb thing to do. Honestly nobody cares.
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To be fair kuroshitsuji has a ton of fanservice for fujos and the mangaka’s done shota manga in the past, I don’t mind shota though if they’re pretty.
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>>294859>What was the ship or series that got you into BL?
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I've never got off to it, but I know women who've had. I'll admit that I stick mostly to romantic and plot heavy BL. Even the more sexual BL that I read I find myself glossing over the (many) sex scenes. The women I know who get off to it are like… Aggressively Horny. In my opinion. When we talk they are very open about which anime movie they wanna see obliterated. Good for them I suppose.
I don't really read any of that kinky BL manga. If it has a half naked guy on the cover I'll usually pass. I read manga for the stories and romance.
I have used yaoi doujins, but those are pretty different from BL manga.
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I do get off to it but it specifically has to be well written and emotionally engaging. A well drawn sexy pic doesn't do enough for me unless there is deeper feelings between the characters behind it. Also if I'm actually going to get off I prefer prose to images because I like getting in the heads of the characters. All that said, I do like sexy and sexual illustrations as an appreciator of good artwork.>>294972
Are you the anon that was posting SVSSS last thread? If so you were one of the reasons I finally pushed myself to read it and I loved it, thank you. Luo Binghe did nothing wrong.
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Nan Hao & Shang Feng? Pic related.
I almost exclusively play BL visual novels (is this bad? lol) and honestly sometimes I do. It's just gotten…harder with age? I was a dumbass that even enjoyed Hadaka Shitsuji when I was 14. I played it again recently and I just find it hilarious and evil now. I tried Slow Damage and pretty much liked no one, nothing was hot. There was a trashy western BL I played that had a buff redhead character I really bonded with, oddly, which made him irresistible, but that's it.
I haven't at all consumed any other kind of porn in years now because for some reason I like it when some story is attached? I think maybe it's more of a personal defect because BL allows me to get to know characters and I find it hard to get off to any context where I don't know someone. BL is pure escapism, tbh.
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it makes me kyaaaaa unironically. like kicking feet, rolling around the bed, etc. tomoyo's reaction to sakura basically
addendum: if i ever want to get off to bl i usually go for stuff that's explicitly pornographic, like a digdug doujin or one of those bakugou/kiri(whatever the red haired guy's name is) doujins where baku's doing aheago faces or whatever
the brain i use to read bl is not the brain i use for hentai
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>>294981>Are you the anon that was posting SVSSS last thread?
No, that was me.
Agreed. I think it would be a bad move to ban discussion of all underage characters, I just feel like it’s a hard line to draw where exactly underage becomes shota, I guess. Like the /ot/ opinions thread that started this all was definitely including all underage characters as being pedoshit, so I’m not sure from what angle the mods are coming from. I don’t consider 16-17 year olds to be shota, nor do I consider Shinji to be shota, but idk if they do.
I guess I could take it to /meta/ when the vote gets closer to ending, I just wanted to know what others thought.
Never masturbated to it, but I don't masturbate to anything tbh. My mind is totally blank during. Hopefully that isn't indicative of some kind of issue kek>>295141
Kou and Mitsuba are pretty gay, but you're right that it's mostly het. There are the weird implications between Hanako and Tsukasa too for those who are into it I guess
and yeah, I was oversimplifying for the sake of brevity when I said "adult, unrelated guys kissing." I'll read/watch anything as long as the guys depicted have post-pubescent bodies. So like. Kawoshin gets a pass for instance, because the characters have teenager-y, post pubescent bodies. Ciel isn't shota and I wouldn't consider him such, but he's too prepubescent-looking for my personal taste. So my personal cut-off is somewhere between the two. I guess a good example would be Kilugon, which I ship but have no interest in seeing smut of because they're on the borderline of being too childlike. Also the anons being replied to in these posts >>294935
>>294895 weren't me.>>295191
I… don't read it to see people in distress? That's just not my kink. The only time I enjoy pain being inflicted on a character in yaoi is if they're hurt by an antagonist and comforted by the love interest later. That's why I put up with the gangrape scene in Yoru and Asa; I didn't like it, but I liked the characters comforting each other's trauma later in the story. I don't despise stories with rape in them if it's a plot point, I just don't find it sexy. Idk.
I'm not trying to shame anons who like that stuff. I jokingly called it degenerate, but yaoi is degenerate in general lbr. I'm just saying that it would be nice if I didn't get screamed at for not being into it personally, or screamed at by people who assume I like it when I don't (although the former bothers me more than the latter because it sucks to be berated by people who share your hobby.)
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I really like it! The art is gorgeous and the mystery stuff is fun, my favorite arc is the one where they’re all in a happy world together.
If you’re specifically looking for BL it’s mostly just Kou x Mitsuba and Tsukasa x Amane (the twins) though.
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Why ban it? This site doesn't allow 3DPG porn anyway. The mods are out of their minds if they want to verify each drawn picture for whether the character looks adult enough and whether the character is sexualised enough. Holy war crusaders are always underestimating the time and effort needed to keep the sheep under control and when they hit reality, a shitshow follows. You'll end up with selective law enforcement, like in China. Some people just haven't been burned enough by consequences of power trips. You'd think people who moderate a niche image board should know better, but alas.
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Exactly. It's a slippery slope.
They can ban shota and loli for all I care, I'm more surprised that it's been allowed. The falseflagging
shotafags constantly derailing this thread can go fuck themselves. >>295169>>295183
For the love of god anyone can make the distinction between a little boy and a teenager. People really extending the boundaries of "shota" to include late teenagers are being ridiculous and the panic over not being able to post Kawoshin would be braindead behavior if it was genuine concern and not some faux outrage to create discord between users. >>295220
Topics that cause infighting and derailment get banned on Lolcow periodically, for a good reason and after multiple warnings. K-pop threads were removed because the userbase was insufferable, hard to control, got baited all the time and repeatedly refused cooperation. It's been a core part of the site for years and the slippery slope argument is ridiculous to use when we're talking about banning a scrote-appealing topic like loli/shota.>>295301
Good. 4chan-aligned degenerates should stay in 4chan.
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Thank you based nona, I owe you my life. I laughed, I cried, I came, 10/10 will keep rereading my favorite scenes in the weeks to come. I particularly liked the Bing-ge vs Bing-mei chapter and Zhuzhi-lang's POV.
I started MDZS as well but so far it's so much more dense than SVSSS, I'm having a harder time keeping up with everything. SVSSS was a lot more accessible as my first foray into danmei.
You still don't get it?
Raiders from other sites (like soycuck.party) will come here and create shitstorms and infighting to get topics banned just for the lulz.
You can't have been born yesterday. You simply want to enjoy 'owning the fujos', just like soycucks want to 'own the lolcow. farm roasties'.
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I also have fond memories of reading SVSSS for the first time (back when the chapters were being released and I couldn't wait to read the new one). I had lots of fun in the BC Novels comment section too!
>Bing-ge vs Bing-mei chapter
That one was surprisingly impactful, and I was expecting non-canon comedy fluff.
For FoD, there are character guides (which I myself had to make use of to get who was who when I was watching the donghua).
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Here is the post with the poll BTW:>>>/meta/56286
>imagine making a poll where no sign-in is required which anybody could rig
The mods are insane. People on /a/ have been rigging strawpoll polls for at least a decade, that's why nobody uses it there anymore.
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no one's posting nsfw shota in here and I'm going to continue posting non nsfw shota whenever I feel like it regardless of what mods choose to do. this board is too dead for this shit. it isn't possible for more than giga autist to feel this strongly about hypothetical shotafagging, numods. stop acting like fucking trannies and let us cuddle our cute shota posts as we fester in this hospice.(cringe)
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for future generations in the pozzed timeline, never forget that idia shroud is a degenerate pedofork who
>made a sex robot of his dead baby brother to the utter disgust of everyone in his life
>developed complete codependence on it, brings it everywhere he goes
>was planning to kill himself the second he found out his real dead brother was chilling in hell with the phantoms the whole time so they could have gay ghost sex forever
>only postponed killing himself because shota sex robot reminded him how badly he wanted to see how made in abyss ends first
>made a furry skin for shota sex robot
>is a massive weeb and furry, feline beastman race fetishist
>started nitpicking rook's nasolabial folds as the man attempted to save him from a horrific death by arranged marriage
>only noteworthy relationships established in the three years since he started school were with 1. a small, moist gold digger with massive tentacles he would gladly shove up idia's bony ass for pocket change and worse body dysmorphia, 2. the most groomable, prepubescent boy in the entire school, 3. the least groomable but 2nd most prepubescent bodied "boy" in the entire school
they may try to delete the evidence but neither disney nor the mods can delete reality. yana can't mask to save her life.
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Based, Shrouds stay winning. Highly anticipating Malleus’s demise under the hands of a brocon neet loser
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Not saying it doesn’t happen but I’ve personally never seen it happen, and if anything, I see people like you shitting up threads with the out of hand /muh feelings/, foaming at the mouth over imaginary pedos over and over across every single thread. Any suspicion of a nonna being a shotacon gets her dogpiled and any thread is derailed to infinite, aggitating even more people from all sides.
but because you reminded me I never actually see shotafags being unapologetic, behold, my favorite shota. He really grew up into the average gay male predator which is hilarious.
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is that a common name in Japan? he has the same name as pic rel. Which reminds me, any recs for bl where the uke has glasses? prefeerably the cutesy kind, though i am open for the cold type too
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it's mostly normies that never even use /ot/ and /m/. they probably don't understand the shota issue is barely an issue (or is more the infighting related to shota, and not the shota itself) and think people are posting hardcore porn or something
It's an astroturf.
BTW, you can vote as many times as you like in the poll through VPNs kek (I voted through a VPN). Only some get blocked, meanwhile there is a gazillion free ones that are not.
This is my pet conspiracy theory: the owner(s) of the site want to go mainstream and to attract advertisers they want to purge the site of anything advertiser-unfriendly, like 'weird'/'obscene' content. The shota discussion you're seeing here is just them sockpuppeteering to 'highlight the problem' and create the impression that it's an issue that causes infighting and thread derailment. They specifically chose strawpoll because it's so easy to vote multiple times.