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This is a containment thread for meta discussion that doesn't fall into complaints and suggestions. Feel free to tinfoil or talk about the state of the site but try to avoid being too autistic.
If cerbmin needs to hear it, post it here. We occasionally monitor the complaints/suggestions thread as well. Please keep in mind we all have full-time jobs and tending the farm is a passion project. Changes may be slow, but we will prioritize quality over speed. We will do our best, anon!
First thread: >>51182
Previous responses to anon:>>51190
hellweek plans, moderation practices>>51207
server costs, plans for implementing captcha>>51222
addressing tinfoils >>51282
lost /m/ threads, improving transparency>>51381
introductions, regarding farmhands revealing IP addresses >>51666
addressing Blaine/Elaine/tranny accusations, plans for old staff, plan for off-site updates page, regarding spam/CP>>52298
lost /m/ threads, speed of site, closing lolcow Discord, males on lolcow/in deleted Discord>>52931
addressing practice of bumping CP, allowing adriasdome, hellweek and staff plans, should calling out other users as male be a bannable offense?>>53189
what parts of board culture have deteriorated the most? What would anon like to see enforced?>>53457
updates on lost m threads>>53462
old m threads are restored!
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Thank you anon! I updated the OP with some links, and I wanted to include this fanart photo we were going to use as the thread pic. We love it! Everyone, feel free to continue discussing what parts of board culture need to be revived. It’s very helpful as we draft rules for hellweek.
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Thank you so much for bringing /m/ back from the grave! I do have a question regarding the old threads and the new ones, should we continue from the old threads or keep on with the new ones.?
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Some fanart from the draw thread
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The original picture the design came from
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heres one i found!
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With the old /m/ threads back alongside the new ones I think the threads should continue as it did as for example the harry potter thread gotten two threads since the bunker and if one were to participant in the thread from before the bunker which has 373 posts in it should be counted as necro since it's been a year and the topics regarding Harry Potter has since moved on to other things such as the game and the fact that after the bunker it has gotten two threads. What threads I think that fit this criteria is the fujothreads, bookthreads, the j-music thread mostly beacause of that one anon drama/milk with that j-artist and what not
etc… I also think if the the newer thread has more posts in it then the one before bunker it should be used instead as in the cookie run thread, husbando smell identification Thread, dubbing/localization thread, female gaze thread and for example an older thread with more posts like the Plush Creation and Appreciation thread should be used instead of the Plush general #2 thread but the link to that thread should be posted in the older one. The same would apply to the Temp Elsie Media Thread and Board-tan Media Thread this topic also has a thread here on /meta/ but it is not getting used and the topic has been evolved into posting pics of Board-tan and X2.
Nothing really comes to mind with threads that are very similar to one another even if the title of the thread is a bit different, so I'll let others deicide regarding it. Cerbmin when you guys and other anons that frequent /m/ finish discussing regarding this matter and come up with more define and clearer rules please post it in the thread that is pinned in /m/ so that everyone can know. I apologise if my wall of text isn't coherent enough and if it doesn't come with my points across but like I tried and I'm too dyslexic and tired to fix it
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A variation of that drawing - an anon clarified who's Aimee, who's Jenny, and who's Sentinel
If you want to obfuscate it I think calling all three of them 'cerbmin' does enough>I want to make thing more difficult for newfags and others who posts here
This is making me laugh for some reason
I think what anon meant was that a lot of anons have been calling cerbmin; adminas, admins and other plural form or other stuff with the word admins in other languages like some anons do with nonnique, nonnikas and such.>>53549
Cute but hard to reinforce>more difficult for newfags and others who posts here
Most of the anons on here don't even check /meta/ sadly, so win and I don't think that more retards like Elaine will come here and sperg out on randoms on social media that they are the owner of the site i hope
So how do we save terf
As of today the old Discord server is being retired and will be completely closed on the 14th of March. Future status updates about server downtime will be communicated on https://status.lolcow.farm/
. The link to the status page has been included in the navigation at the top and bottom of every page to make it easily discoverable for all users.
We hope that this will provide a drama-free and easily accessible channel of communication with our users about the status of the site!>>53662>>53667
The slow image issue is being worked on right now. We're doing what we can!
Essentially, this site is run on 12+ year old board software that's extremely unoptimized by modern internet standards. Image sizes and resolutions have gotten bigger and bigger over time and this poor old girl still thinks it's 2011, not to mention the negative impact of the unwanted traffic we get from people who want to harm the site.
After doing what we can to make the site run faster in its current form, we plan to spend the next while working on moving the board to a new platform. As previously mentioned, this will be done with the consent and input of our users.
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thank you so much cerbmin! you guys are the best>>53693
There should definitely be a beta period where anons can play around with nucow and get used to it. As much as I dislike Null he was right about imageboard users being the most autistic people online.>>53696
I think Shaymin's original plan of having original.lolcow.farm as an archive of the old site and lolcow.farm as the active new site is a good idea.
for real lol>>53689
Yesss, good luck!!
IMO it's been picking up again recently for the first time since the December incident. The first couple weeks after the site came back online most of the threads I follow (even the MTF threads) felt deserted.
Hoping for a hellweek soon though. I think a majority of newfags aren't malicious, just younger and ignorant to imageboard culture. IMO a hellweek would help the ones that want to stick around to integrate better once they see the rules being fully enforced.
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This is an appreciation post for cerbmin and farmhands. You all are doing an amazing job! I feel like my reports are taken care of right away. You guys are really on the ball! And thank you so much cerbmin for keeping all of us posted. We all appreciate the updates.
Lolcow today is like night and day compared to when shaymin was in power. The drama-free and transparent way you all are handling things around here is a breath of fresh air. It is very often a thankless job, so thank you all for stepping up to the challenge of saving a beloved site that's a billion years old! ♥
Idk if you're new to imageboards but… I'll bite.
Cows post pictures of themselves acting like other people. It can also be a useful thing for when death threats get posted with like, a picture from someone's device. For the most part, if someone wants to be cautious, they'll remove exif data. But exif data has helped catch criminals on imageboards before. The guy that said he steps on people's food at burger King and spits on their food, literally left exif data and that's how he was caught. Same story with Amber Coplin (murderer posted her picture on 4chan and they found shit out using metadata/exif data from his device).
This is not about doxxing some idiot anon that posted a pic of themselves. This is about catching the many other shitty people that get cocky because they think they're untouchable behind being anonymous. So they slip up and FAFO.
ah I understand, I'm not new here (really, have been here since 2016) but never used imageboards prior to lc and I only read threads interesting to me. Those haven't included death threats or stuff iirc. I knew about Amber's murderer getting caught via 4chan but had no idea exif was involved.
Thanks for explaining it without going overboard and calling me a stupid retard (I mean, you can anyway, I'm just grateful you explained it & I agree with you now)
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The usage of "the farms" was coined by the time we held that board-tan poll years ago.
Since the name of the site is lolcow.farm where there are cows that we make fun of, lolcow users farm for milk and moderators called farmhands for a reason. Or is there some other conclusion on why the term "the farms" came to be?
I mean some anons would use the term "the farms" with an capital F and some simply LC for the site but I always liked to use "the farms" since it was more thematic to the site and the fact I use the abbreviation LC in work near daily doesn't help the matter in not using it.
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There is some improvement after the whole shaymin new lolcow fiasco but numbers are definitely fewer then we what we had from just a few years ago and I am worried about the non existent growth of lc's userbase, like obviously we don't need to be flooded with the usual twitter/tumblr types and potential moids/trannies but I have recommended lc to one of my close online friends and she uses it every now and then and I think we could do something similar on a larger scale, advertise lolcow to spaces that are more trustworthy>>53713
as long as all the previous threads can be moved and the new site can be as close as it can be to actual lolcow, I don't think anyone will have an issue
Would you believe that I never noticed the difference. Feel like an idiot now.>direct people from /cgl/ to the site>lolcow farm because the term lolcow already existed.
I know that lolcow was a term before lolcow.farm existed, I just didn't think to include it. I actually stopped using /cgl/ after staminarose got shut down and went to browse kiwi and pull before coming here>>53854
Yes it is a really good idea
to put up some adverts on various social media sites or spam some links on other imageboards like retards
Hellweek as a band lasted for six years before the breakup actually.>>53866
the absolute state of this site amazes me.
radfems think this place is evil due to the whole concept of lolcows and a preconception of us being racist like 4chan (i mean there are some polfag losers who pop up to sperg but it's not a lot). So no, it wouldn't go over well. The only "radfems" who would come here are the ones who aren't actually interested in radical feminist theory only call themselves that to be edgy, and they would do absolutely nothing but troll and infight.>>53883
actually kind of yes but only because infights with essay long responses each would be hilarious, like watching the stock market reports on a nintendo DS
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I think some newfags at small doses can be fine as they'll naturally integrate over time without changing the board culture
again my suggestion is sending "invitations" who you know would fit in well
While I agree that some
of the current batshittery is new, her very first thread is one of the only ones that was removed from lolcor because people were targeting her family members. There's just something about Shay that attracts loonies.
I don't want it to be kiwifarms, did you read what I said>>53923
It's not about shayna herself its what she represents to them
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You're just going to bring in more people than get it, I swear we need some intelligence check before letting people in because some end up as eternal newfags who are missing half of the message here.
you weren't even here when the bulk of users left, which was 2017. if you want more
users you want more
activity or what would the point be? you're obviously just trying to make excuses now because your idea is braindead.
Not at all, I have a lot a faith in this site. I just think the idea is retarded. This site is not a secret, anyone can be told about it or know about it. We don't need "recruitment" or invites because there is no need for recruitment. It's an open free site that anyone can use so I literally don't even understand what the fuck she could possibly be implying. If she or you have friends, tell them about it like?? I don't possibly understand what even it could mean. Want a fucking billboard??
Does the site need more users? Sure. Do we need to actively try to garner them? Literally no. wtf. Plenty of people learn about this site on the daily as it comes under the microscopic lens of news sites and twitterfags/tumblrfags sperging about it on twitter, tumblr and tiktok. The ones that like the site stay, the ones that don't either get btfo for being a newfag or they just leave. The problem isn't that we are lacking new users, the issue is getting them to stay. Are we going to ignore the fact that cp is posted literally daily? Why would anyone besides oldfags want to stick around for that unless they had some investment (socially) in the site? New people join all the time, poke some fun and move it along.
I should also add that the site is terrible in the sense of: a lot of social faux pas, a lot of infighting, a lot of unpopular opinions for normal people, racebait, "TERF
" opinions. I like it and am okay with that so I stick around. But the average person is not going to want to stay and deal with that. Even if every single anon on this site invited just one person, I don't even think that would be enough for the site to be "active with likeminded people" because believe it or not I don't think there are that many likeminded people to begin with.
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If a new engine(I don't the technical term) is going to be used for new lc, can there be at least a trial period to see what it's like aesthetically and function wise so we can avoid the mistake of shaymin and of course all the threads from the boards have to be migrated, that's not even a question
Wow he just tells on himself, every time. Anyway nonnies, much of the posts ITT are just blaine and you should know how to spot him before you give him the attention he gets off to. Copypasta:
A comprehensive long list of things the rapist pedo schizo troon says and does (feel free to add onto it):
>pedo ring/pedo jannies/jannies posting cp/admin is male/jannies are male (basically any raging hatred and accusations regarding site staff)
>admin is being blackmailed
>everyone is blaine/we're all blaine
>pretends blaine and erika are different people
>links to other imageboards and sketchy websites
>shits on fire/sites fucked
>talks about elaine/rachel/null(josh)/michael or other irrelevant kiwifags
>you're going down
>I will expose you
>refers to himself using the wrong pronouns (calls himself she or they despite being male)
>complaining about kuz and soyjak
>something real is going on
>this is insane/crazy/huge
>random youtube song links and/or random lyric dumps
>anime avatarfagging (usually with pedo anime characters, sometimes with final fantasy ones)
>misuse of sites lingo
>asking or demanding to be a mod/janny/admin
>replying to one of his posts with the same lingo and typing style (samefagging)
>posts cp and then is immediately around to complain about cp he posted
>threatens to kill/rape people
>asks to be unbanned
>mentions his vpns
>refers to himself as erika or UH
>posts ugly pic of his thighs and covered bulge
>spergs about porn and his creepy fetish stuff
>tries to get people to post hand pics
>larps as being a csa survivor
>randomly talks about his sister
>posts /pol/tier nazi and pepe pics
>conspiracies about blackmailing, abuse, pedo rings
>constantly mentions foxdickfarms
>I proved it/here's the proof
>you're killing this website/this website is dead bickers of you/this website is dying
>pro tranny/pro scrote posts (trannies have always been welcome/men can post here if they want/etc)
>schizobabble about being a witch/magic spells/hexes
>says he is a tranny not a troon (and other weird tranny infighting stuff)
>uses sexist insults (calls women whores, cunts, bitches, roasties, etc)
>complaining about jews and nonwhites
>refers to women as "natal women" or "cis women"
>god complex spergouts
>hates on radfems and gcs
>says he is gnc
>talks about his ugly troon dick
>it was rigged/I rigged it
>I win/I won/I'm winning
>mentions flamenco or undefault or naught
>bought off janny/paid off janny
>this is why people never use this site
>whines about "transphobes"
>says he is doing damage control
>talks about owning guns and/or threatens to use them
>weird obsession with russia
>pretends he has some greater plan
>randomly counts down (ie 6 days left, 6 hours left)
>so much proof
>look at these connections/all the connections
>you're screwed/it's over
>pressed/keeping you pressed
>I timed it/it was timed
>pretends he's doing this to waste someones time
if you see posts that contain any of these it's the ban evading sweaty gamer tranny, do not reply to him, simply report and ignore
I love radfem nonnies some can be very cringe some of the “recruitment” ideas are dumb. I like that LC is women oriented but it’s also not just that. I like that we have things for any personality type of women, wether it’s radfem or weebshit or gossip etc. They will come organically and learn to integrate and stuff. LC isn’t niche for sure. I still laugh at the “abcs of lolcow” book idea that one nonny
had a while ago
When he samefags or responds to posts that trigger
him multiple times, he does it to create a fake discussion where he can defend himself, to pull retarded falseflags or to do the imageboard equivalent of upvoting his own posts. >>54037
I feel like this needs an update by now but it would be too long lmao.
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did the thread and the torium get deleted
The quality of cows here
, plummeted and I don't feel like introducing new ones because it's funnier to watch this place slowly die.
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so will the new engine be able to have all the previous thread moved and how much can it match the aesthetic of current lolcow(cause I fucking hate the design and function of whatever choachan uses)
Looks like it was made by a seething moid/tranny from the aella thread.https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/418585936/#418598804
It's also interesting to note that he changes IPs/IDs within the short span of the thread (from Uw6HQhZ+ to V068NqkW). Also
>You wanna know the best bit? All the mods have vacated the premises because some "nonna" kept spamming the mods nudes everywhere and the mods gave up. The inmates run the asylum now
Since this was coming from the OP and it's complete made up bs about our staff again, I wouldn't be surprised if this is indeed the tranny again.
>As soon as someone pointed out they should try dating shy middle class tech needs, everyone sperged out and started calling them a moid and faggot>They will permaban you for posting anything remotely male-sounding, or for voicing any smidgeon of defense for the male gender, so keep a low profile while posting.>they're pretty paranoid about male posters though
Kek, of course that's coming from raid attempting moids. They're real big mad they can't sit with us. Good.
samefag, just adding that it isn't a link or anything. it's the content of the post, it almost looks like it's coordinates to something, is some nonnie
innocently trying to get an ARG started or is it some weird shit?
Yes, nucow will have an extended test period before posts are migrated and the current site is retired. We want to get a lot of feedback from users before we commit to the change!>>54397
We are aware that reports aren't being responded to quickly enough, and we apologise for that. We definitely need more farmhands and we have been working on documentation and process changes to ensure that moderation will generally be more reliable and consistent.
On a related note, we have finished preparations and are now ready to recruit new staff! If anyone is interested in applying, please complete the form linked in the announcement above.
Hi admin, just a suggestion but when you hire new farmhands please get some that are GMT!
I would apply but I’m an oldfag and I couldn’t commit enough time!
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>First question is what your discord is.
Only administrators can deal with raids being carried out this way, and we dealt with it as soon as we were alerted to it! Farmhands/mods cannot do anything with the moderation tools available, it has to be done by directly interacting with the server/database.>>54521
The recent raid caused a service outage, but it should be returning to normal now.>>54531
The bot posts with a new IP address and spoofed device information between every post. It's not as simple as permabanning them, as everything we could use to identify them changes between each post.>>54534
It is likely one person doing it using a bot. Each post has a different IP, we just purged them all manually through the database as that's currently the only way to deal with it. The frontend moderation tools are unfortunately limited!
I disagree. It hasn't happened to me on Lolcow yet, bu multiple times, I've seen ban messages using my IP on 4chan. I know for a fact they're from VPN users because they're usually spam posts, too.
Also, is it so impossible for some moids to just live in the same countries as anons, and for IPs to be dynamic?
What is the official policy on VPNs?
Different admins have had different opinions. In my personal experience I didn't run into any issues using a VPN until a few years ago when I found that some of the IP ranges available with my VPN were blocked. The admin before Shaymin removed the block on some IPs after I asked her to. Shaymin seemed to want to ban them all and some IP ranges have gone back to either being blocked or being permanently banned with no reason given.
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You do not need to click any links for that to happen
The false ban messages you get on 4chan is because of dynamic IPs and rangebans (bans based on internet providers and countries). The former is more possible on websites with millions of users, but extremely unlikely on a small website like lolcow.
VPNs don't use normal people IPs, like another anon said, they use their own, which is why they are more easy to identify once you research the IP provider and thus blocked in places like 4chan. So you'd have to use said VPN to encounter a ban on a VPN IP and even then it happens rarely, because most popular VPN providers have thousands to tenthousands of IPs. Though browsers with vpn feature, like opera, probably have less.>>54607
Yes you do, that article explains what IPs are used for and that they are being abused by hackers but not how the IP spoofing actually happens. Which is being infected with malware that gives access to more information than just your IP address. By that logic every single website owner could "hack your IP" and use/sell it as proxy as soon as you visit the website.
Of course I try to calm nonnas down because all this constant threats to leaking IPs by loser deformed dick scrotes and instead he tries to confuse women into thinking like said redtext >>54565
Anons, just never click links. Period.
i had my suspicions that it was either stubborn newfags or moids but i didn't want to state it as fact because obviously i don't really know. i've mainly been reporting instead but i don't know how many people have gotten banned in the thread. i honestly thought it was blaine at first when it started happening.
tbf i do think some of the other regular anons do take ss of articles as well (and i have sometimes when posting milk) but the way that person types or whoever else is involved is very much identifiable with the random dashes and trump-like typing, apparently samefagging as well. i'm starting to wonder if the thread should be moved back to /snow/ or be stricter on moderation because i'm unsure if it being in /ot/ is just inviting weird shit like this.
Hi admins, pls read this>>4330
(Click the archived copy)
I know my comment is old and the link even older, but plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose
there is a reason I am literally afraid of him now
I wish eternal sunshine memory erasure was real
Elaine has been embarassingly larping as a hacker and spreading bullshit for about two years now, it's nothing new.>>54725
This, if you're going to enforce hellweek please also go lighter on the "benefit of doubt" in case of moid- and newfag sounding posts and harder on the punishment
When men are actually here though, it's very obvious that they are men. >If we went along your logic, no moids would ever be banned
Did you forget that staff can see post history? That anon said "moidbrained girls" so it's clear she doesn't mean actual men and it seems more like she's talking about anons who have dissenting opinions. And again, what is considered sounding like a scrote differs from farmer to farmer and if you've been here for any amount of time then you've seen that a lot of anons will accuse each other of being moids for petty reasons. There's no clear guideline for that and it just doesn't really make any sense to ban anons for being "moidbrained" unless they're infighting or otherwise breaking an actual rule. As annoying as those anons are, this site isn't a hivemind.
This discussion has been already been held in the last thread with responses to all the assumptions in your post so I don't care enough to repeat them. I disagree that moids are always obvious. Unfortunately, especially recently, they seem to get unnoticed at first because muh benefit of doubt and shit up several threads until they finally get banned or anons respond earnestly to them, giving them fooder for whatever they came here for. On other websites, they are openly admitting to posting here freely, for example >>54221
where the moid openly admits to posting in the Vent thread, Get it off your chest thread, Confessions thread and on /g/ and probably has an extensive post history due to it. In the complaints thread there are anons currently mentioning a pol moid shitting up celebricows.
It ruins the board atmosphere and sooner or later prompts this website to get infiltrated with the same garbage you have on any other imageboard. Actually, I don't know why any woman would want to visit non-dramaboards just to bring up the same pol/r9k/misogynistic garbage they can find in any other place.
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Apologies if this is a bad idea but could we do something for april fools? I think it would be fun. It doesn't have to be something extravagant
don't mind me, just curious how different they actually look posted
even jannies can
delete posts, but they're instructed not to unless it's spam/gore/cp
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This comes up as an emoji on mobile
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On mobile both of these appear to be the red hearted emoji. Bit surprised that the first heart is bigger then the other
Yeah I got banned for that the other day
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They both come off as emojis but one is slightly different from the other
Using Google Chrome if that matters
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I get an emoji on mobile and a bigger heart on computer
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this is how it looks on mobile for me
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weird how much variation there is
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What is happening in the Dasha thread lately?
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The supposedly allowed heart is the black heart suit Unicode character (U+2665) which on many modern browsers, particularly mobile, now gets parsed as the heart suit emoji. The original "no emoticons or emoji" lolcow rule was obviously introduced prior to this, so now we really do need a proper updated consensus if this one emoji can still be allowed.
i get you're suggesting this because her retard behavior has transcended. but shes a very profilic cow and /pt/ is dead most of the time.
if you take someone like jill out of /w/ or shayna out of /snow/ and send them to /pt/ its gonna be very unhelpful. /pt/ is too restrictive for the autisitc tirades of shayfags and pixietransretards. /snow/ and /w/ would get less traction without their most popular cow threads in their frontpage. the only thing /pt/ would mean nowadays is "recognition"
>>54913>/pt/ is dead
Yeah, because the cows aren't milky right now except for Chris-chan because he was just released from prison, not because /pt/ is supposed to be a graveyard.
Jill by all means should have already been in /pt/, she was one of the original cows. I can see why she was put in /w/ at the time because she was just an annoying pastel weirdo for years but now that her behavior has escalated why not put her in /pt/? Who cares if /w/ becomes dead, /w/ is supposed to just be for annoying weeby snowflakes.
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looks like someone's having a rough day
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they are targeting /ot/ so pls nonnies be careful there
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You might remember in 2022 a troon posted disgusting thigh pics and asked kuz to be a janny, pic related. Kuz rejected him obviously and the troon sperged out and posted 'p on the sharty and tried to ddos it as well. He's on the kolyma anti-subversion list https://nss.kolyma.net/anti-subversion/individuals/blaine-gaven-ross/
He's posted 'p here too and is embarrassingly annoying. He'll deny it but he hates lolcow and will do anything to take it down because he will never be a woman. The best thing you can do is soyquote him with troonjaks if he makes a thread trying to get 'teens to raid lolcow for him.sorry for my soyteen sperginess here cerbmin I understand if you ban me
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Some guy that was part of the raid tried to apologize.
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If you want to use lolcow during a raid, go to your browser and turn off images. All images will appear as blank spaces. Obviously you can’t see any good posts either but it’s easy to turn on and off.
Omg kisses to you!! Great tip>>55074
Thank you queen.
Please close this thread >>>/ot/1495349
and allow us to use this one which actually has the rules of the thread in the OP. Too many stupid retards that can't follow the rules replied to posts that they weren't supposed to. In previous threads these anons were banned, but I guess they're not being reported enough.
Here's the new thread:>>>/ot/1538063
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/shay/ reminds me of keekweek with kiki. What would be an apt name fitting with shayna regarding this? shaydays? dollyhaus theme?
Also love that royalolcow line.
>Queen Pixyteri and Princess Shayna.
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Please make a darker variant of shayday like picrel. The current one hurts me eyes
So fucking amazing. Shaypril Fool's was incredible and /shay/ is a magnificent containment board. Well done admin. golf clap >>55154
Why'd it bug you so much nonna? If you didn't like it just don't go? I don't see any downside for a permanent /shay/ board that's hidden.
I'd rather it didn't stay and I agree with >>55154
as while it was fun, it's not going to last all yearlong as an active board. Also the board style is rather harsh on the eyes and makes it so that it's harder to read the threads as one would normally.
then your opinion doesn't really matter, does it? >>55153
keeping it sounds fun now but other anons make good points. I think having it as an optional theme or keeping it for just the shaynatorium and other retard threads is alright. maybe we could bring it back for her birthday month? either way thank you shaymin for the laughs, it truly was amazing.
ayrt Maybe, but will also contain a lot of the shaytistic behavior many nonnies are tired of. If the board is hidden and not interfering with any other aspect of lc, then what's the problem? If the board dies, it dies and Shaynus is finally put out to pasture. No big deal imho. I would even go so far as to suggest any shat posting outside dedicated cow discussion threads in lc where applicable is a ban worthy offense kek. >>55159
I mean she's more than welcome to but what can she do? I figure she ought to be flattered. She largely ignores us these days and during balconygate I don't think she even figured out the tipper was from lc.
im thinkin keep /shay/ in it's own containment page, because all the shayheads bring up her name in almost every thread that's not even related to her.
maybe keeping it hidden will expose that shay lurks because she'd have to link to the hidden thread. also shayheads are insane.
im thinkin keep /shay/ in it's own containment page, because all the shayheads bring up her name in almost every thread that's not even related to her.
maybe keeping it hidden will expose that shay lurks because she'd have to link to the hidden thread. also shayheads are insane.
I posted this in /shay/ but reposting here…
This whole thing was a funny Shaypril's fool joke but is dumb as hell to continue with and just another ego boost for Shay. Anything in the /shay/ can be posted in the Shaynatorium in /ot/. The original thread should be moved back to /snow/.
Didn't we for years resist making Shayna a /pt/ cow because it was funnier to keep her in /snow/ where she was just another ho?
The creator of the Shaynatorium has already admitted to it being a bad idea and taking fun away from the main thread. The first thread took months to fill up, she isn't as popular here as some of you think other than her main thread. Spreading out the shaytism through /shay/ is like not enough butter spread across bread. It's a bad idea and will kill the fun even more.
Too much of a "good thing" always turns bad nonas. Mark my words.
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when new hidden board gets posted:
>omg i love it so much! can we keep it? hehe i hope shayna sees this, fat ass cow.
when new hidden board is kept and some threads no one really cares about get moved there:
>what the fuck did you bitches do?! i hate this bullshit! fuck shayna, fuck the mods, fuck everybody! i want all my motherfucking threads back in /snow/ right now or else!
before someone chews me out, i don't really care either way. i like the new hidden board and think it's funny but whatever. i know you autistic bitches can't handle any sort of change.
i don't want to get into another oldfag vs /ot/ debate but this part that you wrote > If you don't care about the main focus of the community then find one that isn't centered around drama or make your own, but don't try to change ours is so fucking true. i have absolutely zero issue with newfags or board users who prefer one board over the other, but the whole issue with the influx of newfags is that they want to whitewash the site and turn it into something that it isn't and anyone who tells them otherwise gets told to basically go to hell. they aren't interested in board culture and more often than not, want to astroturf the board and turn it into this uber-liberal political hellhole with a little sprinkling of q-anon here and there for good measure, all while nuking everything that made lolcow lolcow in the process. and no, this board was not originally a "feminist" board, it was a gossip board started to contain drama from /cgl/ and that's a very, very simplified version of how lolcow came to be.
they've never come out directly and said they want to change the culture, they always have some slick way of getting around it but their intentions are very obvious. i remember the whole meltdown over the cow lore poll (basically a bunch of users failed) and that was when it became obvious we had two different sects on this board - general board/chan users and then these other people with no interest in the culture at all. i remember the arguments between oldfags and the newfags from twitter and tiktok who didn't like the cow boards because they thought they were "mean" or whatever for gossiping about "autistic" people. i remember these same newfags during covid terrorizing burritomin and trying to turn the board into a white feminist hellhole and anyone who dared to call them out on their whining and bullshit would get piled on and called all sorts of crazy names.
i've been here since the staminarose era. i've seen this site change hands and have been through most of the attempted takeovers and it's been interesting to watch it all happen over the years.
Just FYI I don't have a hate"boner" for the /ot/-chans either, I just think they shouldn't insert themselves/make themselves heard. If they have complaints, they can do their own thing, but they shouldn't take up more site resources than needed. Imo they're guests. They're welcome to join in but need to sit down when farmers are talking. I don't think farmers are better than them, we're just different userbases and this happens to be a site for farming. That's all.>>55203
This. Maybe they don't outright call for a rule overhaul but everyone can see how they're trying to police language and thread content while having no connection to the original board culture whatsoever.
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Yeees, yeees, close down /ot/ again and let the Pitbull posting begin!(USER HAS BEEN PUT OUT TO PASTURE)
and haven't replied since. it wasn't coming from a place of superiority, it was more that someone who doesn't even use cow boards shouldn't be trying have a say in what happens on them. not sure how >>55168
interpreted that as being a petulant child but it seems like a nerve was struck kek.>>55188
I don't see why we care about giving shay an ego boost or "giving her more ammo" as another nonnie
put it. lolcow is for our entertainment really and if it's funny we should do it. her feelings shouldn't impact our decision imo. I'm not too fussed on what happens either way, it would just be a shame to get rid of it entirely
cause it was pretty hilarious.
I just think the non-cow vs. cow board thing is kinda forced and get annoyed seeing anons act like all
of these boards aren't a part of the site and an integral part of the culture here. Farmers will start a division over aaaaaaanything and there's so many better things about the site to be debating that the constant "shut this board down!!!!!" almost feels like a distraction.
Not a Shaynafag and I don't care about her threads either way but she's one of the cows whose threads harbor shittons of camgirls and other twittertards and having the whole /shay/ board is inevitably going to empower them to run more rampant. I don't know if you've ever been around for any of our "containment zones" but they've never worked and always ended up just attracting much more of the undesired postings. I know /shay/ wasn't made as a containment zone but that's what it'll turn into if it stays. Spergy threads need to be given less leeway, not even more. My main point being that this is
a conversation around the bigger board culture and its long-lasting issues. If you disagree, you're at least contributing to the conversation, but you just want to sidestep it entirely because you don't care about the state and future of the site as a whole.
/shay/ just came about 5 days ago. I'm talking about our main boards and how every so often anons come into /meta/ saying that off topic boards should be banned or whatever if that wasn't clear. >you just want to sidestep it entirely
What? I literally made a different post about this earlier and have talked about this in the past when the topic came up.
I think the shaynatorium and current shay threads should stay in /ot/ and /snow/ respectively and /shay/ should serve as an archive of her old threads and for other shaytistic shay threads (like the ones currently in /shay/)>>55220>Now I know there's gonna be some nonna's who will screech and moan about the OG lolcow and how it should never be altered
This is how 4chan died. I get wanting to preserve culture as much as possible but there has to be something new introduced every so often so lolcow doesn't go the same way.
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Due to popular vote, the Shaynatorium will remain in /Shay/. /shay/ will continue to be a hidden board. Shayna’s main thread has been moved back to /snow/ and any new Shayna threads should be made in /snow/. We are currently working on tweaking the Shay theme to be less eye-searing, once it’s tweaked it will be available as a theme site-wide. Thank you to everyone who participated in the vote! In the future, expect to see more strawpolls held for more serious site changes.
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Not a shaytard myself (even if I think their brand of autism can be quite endearing at times) but seeing how much you are willing to do for our beloved Peruvian knitting forum is very nice. Keep up the good work Cerbmins !
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Samefag, this is the average post in /2X/
Can mods please ban these baiters? Why is it allowed for them to call women free prostitutes, samefag, bait and do all of this shit yet they never even get redtexted?
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that anon is kinda right though. Stay out of the blackpill thread if it triggers
I have to say I agree on this one. Why do we want to foster that kind of audience on this site? Not only that but it'll probably attract incel moids in a "how do you do fellow blackpilled stacies" kind of way and it's just toxic
. There's nothing based about giving in to utter hopelessness and paranoia while living as a woman in this world, it's not empowering whatsoever, and it really all puts one's traumas and insecurities on blast as they lash out at everything around them. It's just not mentally healthy and these women need help. I feel pity for whatever extreme events turned them to this thinking. Although I can't say I feel the same for moids because they're mostly awful by default and go blackpill because they feel entitled, thinking the world owes them something, specifically pussy.
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so lemme get this straight, your big brained interpretation of blackpill feminism is that it is >a desperate cope for not being picked
the incels, not you? Kek, that's literally what moids say about feminists all the time. You're entitled to your (wrong) opinion but so are blackpillchans. Constantly shitting up meta with your sperging about the thread you hate yet compulsively look at is not gonna make admins ban it. But there is a solution! (picrel)
Ffs I can’t even mention something here without retards like you saying stuff like that.
It has happened in the past (for me) a few times but now it happens regularly. Why do I need to make that clear to you?
so I was banned for my post here https://lolcow.farm/2X/res/5459.html#q13252
, I made a repeal post but now suddenly I can post again in like 2 hours, is there something going with my Ip cause I now ban repeals take some time.
I have never used a VPN(I can't even fucking afford one If I wanted you Idiots )
is the only thing that comes across as a VPN for me and I use it for browsing tumblr(USER HAS BEEN PUT OUT TO PASTURE)
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This is why the shaynatorium had always remained a hypothetical.
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I mean it's a moid larping, but still
Maybe it's me being an autist again, but there was that porn-sick troon in the Venus thread months ago who posted some of his femboi fap-folder, wrote long ass tirades accusing nonnas of being ~prudes~, ~evil radfems~, ~sexually repressed~ and other moid bs while larping as a true and honest "female" (his words, not mine kek)
I went to the Shayna thread and it really sounds like him…I wish he 41% already.
oh what the fuck. i thought the anon posting her own chest in that one celebricow thread before was stupid but this is downright unhinged. if they're actually women i don't get why anons are hoping to prove themselves to internet strangers over ass eating of all things>>55581
i sort of agree but if weirdo anons want to sperg about ass eating let them battle it out in their own contained thread so they don't spread their shit to the rest of the site
Mods won't ban obvious trolls/ unhinged anons until it's too late. It's annoying.>>55587
The anons that posted nudes definitely did it to get praise out of people. One of the tit posters later went to /ot/ to complain about her boobs and how she hates herself and her genetics after anons made fun of her.
This. We can't have our female exclusive space in peace without seeing whatever shit coomer moids/trannies love and admittedly get off to. Posting traps and femboys should be banned on site and is an obvious sign of a moid/tranny posting. Thanks to them, the yaoi/bl pic dump thread is now another /cm/ from 4chins as if they couldn't keep their shit over there instead. They can't deal with our hate for these flat futas knowing that moids and trannies are egotistical and entitled.
Also I think he or some other moid/tranny keeps bumping the low quality anime thread. The one that doesn't link to all the older threads.
No it's all one person, everyone here is super smart and this site is not dead. Up is down, left is right and there are six users left on this site.
One of them is your tranny, that's what you last people are. You're all trannies as far as I'm concerned this is my final post.
It's because anons keep attacking the tranny instead of ignoring it and then he sends illegal content to get even more reaction. Realize how it's only posted when an anon fights with the tranny or complains about it?
When you see it, just ignore it. It'll get bored eventually, please stop feeding it attention.
Apologies for not interacting for a bit, we’ve all had irl commitments to attend to that converged around the same time. We are still collecting farmhand applications. Please continue to report cp with “cp” in the reason field, this is helpful for us to filter reports to collect and compile IPs for the FBI. >>54664
Yes, it makes it much faster/easier to issue bans. Thank you, anon! >>54061
We are reviewing our revised site rules currently and will update lolcow.farm/rules when they are finalized. >>54125
Before we move to LCF 2.0 we will allow (and encourage) anons to test it and give us feedback. The period between rolling out LCF 2.0 for testing and permanent migration to LCF 2.0 will be a few months at least. But yes, all threads posts, images etc. will be moved over to the new platform, and we’re going to make it match the current aesthetic as much as possible. >>54546
All farmhands go through an extended interview process, including voice verification, and if there are any remaining doubts we require documentation. >>54688
It's a hard issue to pin down as duplicate posting can often be caused by device or internet issues user-side, or small outages from our host, but we are monitoring the logs to try and resolve any issues we can.>>54853
We think Dasha is off her meds. >>55114
We’re working on bringing you a “dark mode” to the Shayna theme, please hold.>>55130
Adding new banners has been broken since before we became admin. We had to fix some broken moderation tools so it was low priority, but we absolutely do plan on fixing it and adding new banners.>>54187
Yes, 2X will be hidden on Friday the 28th.We’ve decided to hide it again as we never really agreed with unhiding it and its “trial run” as an unhidden board has attracted a lot of new users who don't integrate and shit up other boards.
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Petty maybe but I hope nucow will still use lynxchan. Out of every other "modern" imageboard lynxchan is my favourite. Also thank you for everything, every change you guys have done has been awesome so far
Will-do with the Belle edits.
Also can we add another header when the new rules go live because I don't think a lot of anons visit meta to see when updates happen, even though they should check here once a week IMO, just to make sure rules haven't been changed.
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What do the jannies think "a-logging" means?
because there is 0% a-logging in this post
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>>55854>Before we move to LCF 2.0 we will allow (and encourage) anons to test it and give us feedback. The period between rolling out LCF 2.0 for testing and permanent migration to LCF 2.0 will be a few months at least. But yes, all threads posts, images etc. will be moved over to the new platform, and we’re going to make it match the current aesthetic as much as possible.
It would be sad to see old lc gone but If this can be delivered, we would all be extremely grateful and its smart choice to test the site first for a few months, fix any bugs, and make sure everything is optimized before launching the new one.
Will LCF 2.0 have a thread watcher function? That would be very handy.
Sounds great that you will be taking the time to check how it works before moving btw.
>>55932>if this can be delivered>if
Communic-admin still coming in short on a lot of details and just general presence. Site still runs like shit. Most users gone. "a-logging a dog" iconic of moderation as it stands.
Nu-cow seems like a joke even if it happens. It'll be nu-something but LC is a ghost. Nu-GG or -Pull seems more likely.
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your being to negative, yeah it will be sad to see old lc gone but the admins are claiming they will test for a few months with user feedback to get it at close to lc's design and feel as possible.
think of all that new mods have done since shyamin, they fixed lc, they brought back /m/, they severely reduced the raids, it's clear to me that they truly do love lolcow and want what's best for it and us as well.
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Some anons are just going to be negative no matter what. I felt pessimistic during the Shaymin era when things got actually fucked up but the new admins have really fixed things. Cute pic btw
We have 3 admins, one of whose sole job is to communicate with users. We rarely hear anything and when we do it's always real life and jobs and spare time. Either they've taken on a commitment they can't handle or they're just making excuses. How exactly are they going to spin up LC 2.0 if real life and jobs and spare time?
Every time we get a staff changeover, there's asskissing and omg so based staff and all the rest of it. It's retarded. >>55982
That's a throwback to how it used to be. It wasn't until (if I recall correctly) admin before oldmin or so that men were explicitly banned. It was traditionally no-one gives a shit as long as they aren't obvious about it.
Nta but I think a lot of us have been called a moid or tranny on here before, wasn't there a whole thread dedicated to that? Also this post here >>55983
kind of confirms that some of the moid/tranny allegations aren't true and just used as an insult or to disregard someone's post.
Here you go, nonny
Farmhands are probably very generous with the bans/post history consideration because they are terrified of accidentally banning actual women. So if they larp as women in other threads (like moids already admitted both on here and on websites like 4chan), they might not get banned and it can be written off as "tradfem retard".
It doesn't make sense why the website suddenly gets simultaneously an influx of actual moids, cp spammers and also tradfems (for some reason lmao) in the same time.
The solution would be to give farmhands more access to info on the posters, so they don't have to go off solely by Ip & post history.
I wish that were true but it's not always the case. Just remember how much they instantly shat up the europe thread when the russian/ukranian war started. Thankfully farmhands were more consequent with banning in that case and didn’t insist it could be tradfems. >>56006>>56008
Lots of device info that is harder and more expensive to fake than just using vpns. A few years ago during some retarded drama with oldmin, someone posted a screenshot of an admin panel running on the same imageboard software lolcow uses, which had at least two more identification factors than IP.
Or I was being sarcastic, it has
to be one of the two and I just
cannot figure out which it is due to my autism.
That is also my impression, I was referring to a farmhand who claimed those posts com from actual farmers more often than we think. Though I don't believe moids make up half of the userbase, it's starting to get really noticeable that there are more now.>>56057
Because it would be easier to identify their real post history, including any avoided bans and more obvious posts.
I'm not sure why you think an anonymous imageboard is going to be exclusive. It's possible to have a verified female userbase, but we'd need to move to a closed forum. I see the need for farmhands to have data about a user's post history, bans, and IP, but I'm not crazy about adding to the data collected here. All it takes is one asshole leaking IPs and people who post without VPN are at risk of being doxed. (And we had a farmhand who leaked an IP just in December.) I hate the raids and the dumb moid stuff as much as anyone, but it's an open imageboard and that's going to be hard to eradicate.
We put a lot of trust in the farmhands by default and there have been a few, past & present, whom I wouldn't want to have my mac address or device info because they themselves act cray from time to time.
>>56081>All it takes is one asshole leaking IPs and people who post without VPN are at risk of being doxed.
Lmao that's not how it works.
>whom I wouldn't want to have my mac address or device info
Wait till you find out how much device data 90% of every website saves.
I knew I'd get these replies but it doesn't matter to me, I'm entitled to an opinion. I found that IP leaking event (no matter how many numbers or if it was a VPN) very alarming and some people who were angry about it even got bans wrongly labelling them as the troon. because they expressed anger about it. Didn't someone recently try to goad a poster into posting their IP on here in meta? >>>/meta/53036
but in the end admin will do what they will, I'm not gonna whine about it. I don't say anything very personal on here but regardless I still value anonymity for other normal (=not spamming gore/cp) posters who might.
And how are they going to take advantage of device info? Drive to nonna's ip region, visit every surrounding city and harass everyone who happens to hold the supposed phone model? kek> I don't exactly know what this is about
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I just wanted to say thank you farmhands for banning replies to vents in the get it off your chest thread again!
They just followed the rules. Maybe you should read them again.>What exactly would they do if they had access to everything admin does? Idk,
Exactly, you don't know, because it wouldn't make any great difference on the privacy.
when all of lc reads like>omg delulu!! Not her xing! It's the x for me [skull emoji] sPoNgEbOb tExT
I will hold you personally accountable. We're already halfway there. Twitterfags need to be shamed back to where they came from if they can't ~integrate~. It's literally one of the rules.
>>56129>You may revoke your own anonymity only if your identity is essential to the information you're providing. Staff will revoke your anonymity if you attempt to deceive lolcow.farm.
Which includes samefagging and pretending to be different posters while arguing with yourself.>>56130
omg ur so right queen while were at it we should ban all the transphobic toxic
white karens /srs
Nta but>omg ur so right queen while were at it we should ban all the transphobic toxic white karens /srs
That's obviously not what she was implying
yea ok but i did like take ur problematic
takes elsewhere lol you just pressed that you cant get that themussy anyway ratio>>56137> The ex janny that posted an anons post history didn't do it because they "deceived lolcow"
Except for manifesto-anon, they literally did it everytime for that reason and post historys aren't revealed by farmhands, but by admins. The anon who got their history revealed on meta a few years ago was larping as both radfem and tranny while responding to itself like a schizo and admin revealed it to show that. The anon who was samefagging in the cat hate thread explicitly claimed otherwise, so the farmhand added a censored screenshot of what they could see. Just don't be a samefagging sperg or a literal cow and you have nothing to fear.
The ex jannies were too retarded to make use of the data access they had. They banned me thinking I was Elaine because, get a load of this, she changes IP's all the time, and my IP is dynamic, so I must be her.>Just don't be a samefagging sperg or a literal cow and you have nothing to fear.
Not true, see above
The anon was talking about a post history that got shared with everyone, which is something only admins compiled so far.>FWIW farmhands have labeled posters wrongly before and backtracked
Wow, if only there was a way to help them be more specific with labeling.
>>56148>post historys aren't revealed by farmhands, but by admin
Their post history was revealed by an ex janny, not by admin or an ex admin. >The anon who was samefagging in the cat hate thread explicitly claimed otherwise,
Yes, but they were not samefagging to argue or doing anything outrageous. I've seen anons samefag many times and never seen farmhands post their (partially censored) IP address in retaliation. It was fucking stupid no matter how you spin it.
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You know what else shits up threads? Shit like this. Some twitterfag/newfag accusations are wrong but banning the entirety of it will lead to this.
You're just arguing in circles on top of being simply wrong. How is an ex janitor able to make extra pages on lolcow for post historys?
And yes, the cat hate poster was samefagging, then ban evading (also against the rules) and then sperged on and on about totally not samefagging. >>>/ot/1441989>>56159
If this turns out to be the same poster as PIG PUNCHING STACY, I'm sad.
>>56164>No one said they made extra pages on lolcow, you fucking retard
Every single post history outing has gotten an extra page on here, structured like here https://lolcow.farm/posts-kiki.html
"I've been here for like 6 years" my ass.> this has strayed so far from the original discussion
You weren't close to the original discussion in the first place, since you self admittedly jumped in without even reading the full discussion. My point was that giving farmhands access to additional device info will help them with banning more efficiently to which you voiced converns about poster's privacy. Other anons and me then explained why it doesn't pose any remarkable danger to our anonymity, which you completely ignored to go on about falsely retelling farmhands banning of samefags and then also ignored the corrections.
>>56169>you previously didn't acknowledge it at all
Anon, that's literally the only instance that I know of an ex janny exposing someone's post history. I was referring to it from the start here.>>56118
You yourself just cited the part where I acknowledged it, hence the "ex-jannies". Manifesto-chan's post history reveal was not a normal or approved reveal and it got deleted because of that. The previous admin even said that stuff like that is why people didn't trust staff, or something to that effect. I don't even want to fight anymore I genuinely think you're just misunderstanding me or maybe the way I wrote it was confusing, but I was literally always using that situation as an example.
I was the one bringing up manifesto-anon as the one exception here >>56148
. You didn't mention that case in any of your posts, not even after I mentioned her and even afterwards claimed we were talking about something I supposedly wasn't there for. Nevermind manifesto-anons post history was not "used to farmhand's advantage to be petty", they wanted to share it out of admiration. Which is questionable too, but obviously not what you were talking about.
The point stands that farmhands would benefit from more poster info in their ban options than just IP and post history and that the risk in any meaningful privacy breach or "doxxing" for the average nonna would be low to nonexistant.
As I said, misbans do happen but I suspect at least half of the anons who claim to have been misbanned on meta were not actually misbanned. The shitshow in the CC bunker threads with all the tranny samefagging and falseflagging attempts from some literal who kiwifags getting mass deleted in one go, only further makes me believe this. Then there's also shit like >>54561>>54565
. Nevermind some of the explanations why some were supposedly misbanned make no sense or are delusional (one in a million chances to use the same vpn ip in the same thread at the same time while responding to that same person, claiming it's because of dynamic ips even though most users have those, etc).>>56193
My impression was that farmhands can see IP & posthistory while the admin panel has more additional device info. Isn't that the same reason the excessive bot spam got deleted so late?
Nta and not involved but I wanted to say that this>one in a million chances to use the same vpn ip in the same thread at the same time while responding to that same person
That's not true. I use Norton VPN and apparently there is a limited amount of IP's on there because I've received ban notifications twice now in threads I lurk but don't post in. One was for asking dumb questions unsaged, the other was for alogging, both comments weren't mine but some other farmer who uses Norton VPN. I do think the samefagger in the cat thread was a samefagger, but my point is it's not a one in a million chance, I've seen other anons talk about it happening to them as well.
The schizotroon+other assorted moids burned through half or more of the free ProtonVPN IPs so far. I have also seen a few bans using this VPN directed at normal farmers for posts that had nothing to do with the troon. It's definitely not super unlikely to use the same IP that other posters are using.
But reading the AYRT's post, she's not just talking about these coincidences but also the same IP replying to the same person at the same time in the same thread. That's much more unlikely to happen.
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I'm not going to post again and I feel shitty to ban evade, but I kind of feel the need to say this
I wasn't trying to hurt anyone, I'm not a troll, and I'm not a moid. I understand that I was foolish to post the thread, I got dunked on plenty. I just wanna say again, you can't suck your bladder out with crumpled walmart water bottle, I was not trying to dupe people into hurting themselves.
This is the only time I've ever made a thread, and I understand that I was wrong. I mostly only post in the Shayna thread, and I really hope you can please allow me just to post in her thread. A week is a long time (for me) to not be able to post on any board at all, lolcow is my life.
Even if not, and everyone agrees I earned it, I am still extremely sorry, I was not trying to hurt anyone.
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Yes! Once we have the new rules in place, we will update the announcement to bring users to the new rule page. Keep in mind, these are small edits and will not be anything like a complete overhaul. >>55858>>55991
I looked through our moderation log it hasn’t been deleted by a farmhand or mod. I also combed through the staff email and didn’t find any takedown requests. Apologies for not having more information, my pet theory is it had something to do with Colours but I obviously cannot prove this.>>55863
We have considered the ability to filter and hide posts. We will open a thread for LCF 2.0 recommendations once we have farmhand applications dealt with!>>55921
The fishtank thread >>>/m/291726
was locked because there is already a Sam Hyde thread in /snow/. If anons want to liveblog about the show, an autosaged /m/ thread is acceptable.>>55933
I like this idea a lot! Adding it to the requested features list. This is not a guarantee that we will be able to deliver it!>>55939
I understand the frustration, anon. We have optimized images on the site to help with speed. Our userbase is arguably larger than it’s ever been based on stats provided by our host. As new moderators are brought on, expect there to be an adjustment period. If you are concerned about rules not being understood or upheld, I would refer you to the Farmhand Application.>>56021>>56033
Regarding drag kids being posted: the drag thread is relatively inactive and the OP decided to specify not to post about drag kids. However, our site wide rule is that minors should not be posted UNLESS the focus of drama/milk is on their parents who post them online (think Hartley family). Because the MtF threads are more active and the OP didn’t specify not to post drag kids, it is acceptable. See >>56042
as well. >>56083
Once we onboard the new farmhands, sweet anon>>56104
Captcha will be implemented with LCF 2.0>>55865
I agree that jvloggers is not a high quality thread and ends up in the report queue often. However, it doesn’t seem to benefit from the modding we’ve done. From Global Rule 4, “All users are expected to contribute in a constructive way and are discouraged from posting low quality comments and images.” So, please report any low-quality posts as such and we will give it our best try.>>55869>>55872
Thank you for posting links! From >>>/w/291608
it looks like Emma did a charity stream for Lili and Sharla posted Lili to her Instagram story. Although Lili was posted to the munchie thread, there has been little traction there and the last post about her was 15 days ago >>>/snow/1813682
In cases like this, the mods and farmhands aren’t around to be the police. Anons who enjoy the jvloggers thread should come to some sort of consensus together. From what I can tell, there are two options: Lili is sequestered to the Munchie thread and discussion is slow and disjointed from the vjloggers, or Lili remains in the jvloggers thread despite not being completely relevant, at least the threads of her and the jvloggers stories are easier to weave together. There are many good posts making their points in this thread. You are all adults and the internet is full of software to help you make decisions (strawpoll…) I believe in you. >>55878
The wave of twittertards is a plague indeed, please continue to report their infighting. >>55853
At this point, it seems unfair to well-intentioned users to ban the use of VPNs entirely. >>55916
I understand you find it gross, but pigs mating is not bestiality. At worst, it was a gross joke.>>55914
Looks like it was regular discussion by 10-15 different anons. The Jhonen posts number in the 30’s, not necessarily spam. Although there was no drama, discussion is allowed when it’s not infighting or spam.>>55955
In most cases, posts taking the bait shit up the thread even more than the initial bait post. Taking the bait is also known to turn into multiple posts of infighting. However, a permaban for simply taking bait is not warranted. Please email email@example.com with a screenshot of your ban message.>>56039
Shotacon/Lolicon has become an ugly topic on the farm. It seems to bring infighting wherever it comes up, and it’s not something we particularly want to encourage posting about. However, the role of admins is not to ban things we don’t like. So, we’ve decided to host a poll here: https://strawpoll.com/polls/mpnboq4JYg5https://strawpoll.com/polls/mpnboq4JYg5https://strawpoll.com/polls/mpnboq4JYg5
To kill two birds with one stone, the poll combines shota and loli together. If you feel passionate about shota and/or loli as a topic to be preserved or culled, PLEASE VOTE! VOTING ENDS MAY 29th at 11:59PM EST.>>56044>>56045>>56046
Could you link some of her posts so I can take a look? >>56080
Please link the “hi cow” posts to make bans easier to issue. >>56095>>56107
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If we were to fire all of our old farmhands, the site would be overrun with garbage. The farmhands we have are consistent and keep you from seeing CP and gore more often than you can know. See the beginning of this post, we have gotten 20 legitimate farmhand applications and out of those, they are not all high quality. The purpose of making a new site is to update the board software so the site doesn’t break as easily, new features can be implemented like CAPTCHA, and security can be improved. Whatever moderation team exists on this version of lolcow will be carried over to Nucow barring some drastic circumstances.>>56120
Good catch, yes that is a post that should be reported. Bans have been issued. >>56130
Accusations of anon being a newfag are usually more legitimate than moid accusations. If derailing or infighting persists, bans will be issued. If the newfag accusation is wildly inaccurate, anon will just have to live with knowing she’s been called a newfag without reason. Again, if derailing or infighting persists, bans will be issued. >>56139
Please link the posts to make it easier to investigate. The report queue easily climbs into the hundreds, if there’s something urgent that needs to be modded in the future please link the post(s). CP/CSAM or anything else we really don’t want anons exposed to is the exception here, you do NOT need to link those posts, just report and move on to avoid further exposure to them. >>56137>>56148>>56157>>56161
Regarding the toxoplasmosis samefag incident: the proper response to the samefag would have been to stop after the redtext calling them out. It is well known across the staff that most every decision we make will be met with backlash or pushback in some way. In this case, it seemed like farmhand was aggravated that anons didn’t believe her samefag ban reason and took the extra step to expose anon’s IP address to prove that her ban was correct. This would have been less inappropriate if she had done a better job of censoring anon’s IP address, but she essentially exposed anon’s entire IP which is not something casual users should be subject to. For context, Kiki being revealed as spergchan (lolcow.farm/kiki) is another time anon’s IP was revealed. >>56243
Amanda’s thread was autosaged by a staff member who has since left the staff. Her thread is now unsaged and will remain that way unless autosage becomes necessary.>>56195
The post you linked was the most recent post after a week of silence in that thread. In this case, my mentality is that the thread has been dead silent and anons just want to discuss cows. It seems a bit too overbearing to issue bans for that. When milk is flowing, nitpicking and discussing things like this tent (kek) are punished because they distract from the milk. We aren’t trying to rule with iron fists, but we have also gotten a lot of feedback that the state of /w/ is abysmal. We have yet to decide on a course of action to remedy this, but as of now you can continue to report posts that don’t fit with a good explanation to help farmhands who don’t keep up with /w/, post in /meta/ when bump/delete posts are occurring, and if you’d like to go the extra mile, we are still accepting farmhand applications. >>56625 >>56227
A ban has been issued. The thread is mostly two users posting with no milk thus far, so it has been locked. >>56231>>56245>>56249
Banners are low priority right now. When we do get around to it, we’ll have users vote on which banners to keep and which to discard. Like anon mentioned, some anons feel strongly about keeping these banners because of their history on the site.>>56267
Yes, there are plans to change this. The point of the farmhand search is to have farmhands in every timezone. For now, feel free to browse during US hours or apply to be a farmhand to increase the coverage during your timezone!
thank you for the update and reliable communication, cerbmin! you are appreciated!
will farmhand applications be open indefinitely, or when will they close? i'm interested, but i don't think i could devote any time to it right now. in a few months, some commitments i have are ending and i'd love to be able to help out then.
>>56307>Has there been interest in allowing loli/shota content here?
This one shotafag who keeps trying to justify it and calling anyone who disagrees a secret pedo>>56302>>56306
At least I think that's the same poster as the one on /ot/, judging by their tone and posting style and making the same retarded points as the other day. might be the trapfag too for the same reason>>56311
Among fujos there's a lot of fujochan overlap, too, and they literally have a board for shota (last I checked ages ago). Let's remember that fujochan's initial userbase came from 4chan fujo threads. So perhaps due to that cross-pollination we're seeing an increase in posts advocating for or defending shotacon.>>56314>I really hope they don't end up allowing shota and loli threads. I think they do that on CC anyway
Last time I checked there's a complete ban on shota and loli. It's fujochan that has a shota board.
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i wasn't even aware of an argument on /ot/, i thought you lot were speaking on the mild drama unfolding between the fujo thread on /m/ and the fujo hate thread on /ot/ (?). anyway hang up your detective cap sis
Thanks for getting back, admin! Regarding>Please link the “hi cow” posts to make bans easier to issue.
After that infight the thread actually calmed quite a bit, and when looking back I saw that quite a few offending posts got redtexted eventually. I understand moderating is delayed at the moment, if it happens again I will compile any specific posts.
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it's over, they rigged the poll already lol implying we have more than 400 people on the userbase… could've been more subtle about it
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Yeah I don't buy it, people are definitely switching IP's and voting multiple times. Last night these were the stats. 1/2
where does it say that they'll allow cp? are you stupid?
also>when I was a jannie
Okay what about naked little girls? I notice very few people in this thread are paying attention to the fact we're considering allowing loli
if you cant see the difference between a cute madoka/homura or a ciel picture posted with 0 sexual intent between a clearly lascivious description of whatever sexual with someone underage is, you're irredeemable tbh.>>56433
stop coddling shotacons just because they are women.
I don't know the schizo troon's social media, so I don't know whether or not to believe that. I do think that if it was him and other moids botting, we'd probably see a massive, ridiculous uptick in "leave the rules unchanged" votes, but it's still fewer and pretty balanced so far. There's a variety of actual anons with differing opinions here, that's just part of being on an imageboard. Also>there is absolutely zero chance this site has over 400 regular users
Nona, sorry if I sound harsh but this just isn't true. Do you know how slow this whole site would be if we had less than 400 regular users? It'd nearly be dead, there'd be no fanfare for a /shay/ board, etc etc. Maybe I'm wrong, but I first saw this sort of "We have less than 150 users" or something meme posted at the same time Oldmin gave a poll asking whether we want to keep /2X/ and pink pill/gender critical threads. Most farmers said yes when she wanted no, so she got angry, started claiming all the votes she didn't like were fake, locked the board and anti-/2X/ anons latched on and claimed we have almost no users. We all know that was nonsense, and it's just always seemed ridiculous. Some people even admit to only coming here for specific threads or boards.
it doesn't bother me that much either but i guess spoiler it and keep it to the relevant threads if it's going to bother anons that much.>>56409>derailing argument because one side sees it as pedo talk and is disgusted, and the other one sees it as normal anime talk and is upset that it's being censored.
this is the real issue that needs to be addressed and it isn't just with the shota content. everytime something gets posted that these people don't like, they derail. every thread on this site has been derailed or is getting derailed at some point in time, and it's ruining the usability and overall experience of being on lolcow. deliberately derailing threads just because you don't like the topic being discussed or because you want to bully other users should be a bannable offense, at minimum a week. if this was early lolcow era it would have been happened already, especially during hellweek. but the current userbase is so low, we would probably only have a dozen people here if that was actually done, so it's a catch 22. curb the content that causes the most autism or get on the ass of the people who are causing the most drama and end up with an even slower site.
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he currently has a link to the site and therefore poll as his pinned tweet, pic related. he is 100% voting on the poll multiple times I guarantee. right now allowing nsfw loli/shota sitewide is in second place very close to being first and there are almost 700 votes, it's obvious that a chunk of these votes are not from women who regularly use this site. this site is nearly dead, most boards move very slow and it seems a lot of traffic is coming from lurkers rather than actual posters.
this tweet is in support of people who want shota banned
though. so we can also assume a chunk of the votes asking for its removal are from outsiders kek
That's concerning, but he has like 40 followers (probably mostly his own alts) and that post has like 72 views. I don't think he is accounting for ~200 votes undetected with strict checking on, and it seems like he's trying to push this as "proof" against LC. And the site isn't fast, but it's not dead as I said here >>56446
, though there are a lot of lurkers. Slowness can be attributed to a large chunk of users only showing up for certain threads, not a lack of users IMO.
What is shit stirring for 500 Alex.>>56450
Correct and mocking the fact the staff needed a poll and didn't just change the rule outright. Any ped shit outside of milk shouldn't be allowed at all and even then is risky as this is a gossip site so linking this site isn't good proof for law enforcement.>>56444>Can't recognize hyperbolic satire from a tiny account.
No it's legitimately just mocking the poll having any options for the original writing of the rule. It causes confusion as you see here now.>>56455
Only 15 ppl post here and I can prove it.We are all on a bridge to Cambodia and I'm selling tickets to it.
I'm allowed to make note of something based on my personal observations. if we had 700+ individual women regularly posting on this site it would appear a lot less dead imo. ever since the frequent cp raids and the whole shaymin debacle the site has seemed to have a lot less posts compared to what it did before. >>56458
scrotes definitely still would be obsessed with this place even if it's completely dead. crystal cafe is (or was) a relatively small and obscure site that at first was only advertised here but as soon as scrotes found out it's female only they dedicated their lives to shitting it up. just look at the current state of cc - even though it's quieter than the average alt chan scrotes are still regularly raiding and posting garbage there.
Yeah but here's the thing. Your personal observations mean absolutely nothing on an anon board. In fact the majority of predictions in the past few months were wrong, or proven to be false. I'll stick to what the admins see on their end, since they actually see the statistics.
I'm certain that most anons have a different definition for what they consider regular posting.
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>>56462>when you like a comic drawn by a pedophile
good one blaine
God I wish it was honestly but it's not.>>56472
Refuses to actually, that's what you want and this is a gossip site, I won't squash such a fertile rumor despite me also liking many things Harry Potter related like I do death of the-wait god damn it you almost tricked me, bravo.
NTA but cerbmin did say something here>>56286>Our userbase is arguably larger than it’s ever been based on stats provided by our host.
We definitely don't have so few users that 400 is a stretch for a sitewide poll, anon.
meant communicative, not commutative >>56488
still feels off to me but I'll wait and see until the poll closes/cerbmin gives us an update, hopefully they stay on top of monitoring the poll
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Nice try, creep, I saw you
I am asking a very simple question, nona
who tf wants to use a site where you're at risk for seeing drawn pornography of children if you accidentally hover over a spoiler?
Not that nona but I believe
I was unfortunate enough to see how degenerate young women can be
I also believe that scrotes are messing with the poll
I'd say it's a bit of degenerate women and a bit of scrotes.
The poll should be redone to be less vague, either that or adjust for different options. I don't care if someone is discussing Black Butler's Ciel (using him for example) as a character, but if they're making posts talking about a character like him in a sexual way or posting NSFW of him, I think they should be banned. Shota shit is just as bad as loli shit.>>56515
Trolling is just as annoying as posting it to be serious. Those threads have so many coomers in there bragging about being into the most degenerate of kinks ever, even opting to not engage in fiction if it doesn't include things like incest, grooming, or pedoshit. Who cares if shota shit gets banned, good riddance.
but they aren't the majority, that's why they're already in a containment thread
I do not want to believe that the majority
of women on lolcow are pedophiles
I don't disagree with that. Female pedos definitely exist, I don't deny that>>56524
Which is why I think there's some stuff happening messing with the poll.
Well, they could be active lurkers. And it's hard to number lurkers
I mean, there could be hundreds of them, and the site still will appear almost dead.
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>>56522>the poll should be redone to be less vague
Seconding this, the definition of minors is too vague imo. I'm against any nsfw but I'm not sure about the SFW. I don't think that medias like idk Skip and Loafer for exemple ( technically minors in a romantic situation ) should be called shota/loli. Where do we draw the line ? Also I think that putting minors in a non sexual romantic context is very different from puting minors with adults in a non sexual romantic context and I've seen some anons here have the same feelings about it. I do appreciate the admins trying to sort this out though.
samefag, but another example following yours would be inuyasha. kagome is 14 at the beginning of the series, and inuyasha is what like 300 years old? its obviously not loli/shotacon but she is still technically a minor. it also slightly touches on your last point, though i believe inuyasha is actually around 17 years of age, he was just frozen in time.
my point being is that it gets muddy with anime and there should be clarification that loli/shotacon is a specific artistic style within anime focusing on prepubescence.
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IMO shota is only characters who look
underage/resemble irl children? for example picrel is 14, would this be banned? i'd assume not, but admin should clarify. spoilered just in case.
she literally said>I'm not going to continue this conversation further
so why would you keep responding
Evidently, now stfu. >>56532
I don't think characters that look like adults would be bannable, but some people might be bothered about the canon ages.
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I initiated voted to ban any kind of discussion related to lolishota solely because it gets old to see threads derailing with the same twenty “reeeeee pedo “ comments an aditional person who goes “it’s not pedophilia!” and then the circle starts again. It’s incredibly annoying and usually irrelevant for whatever cow is being discussed.
Recent posts made me rethink it; Yeah, the /m/ inhabitants would be indiscriminately affected and make the board nearly unusable. Shota and non-shota-but-still-underage characters make up like 90% of popular anime.
Even among the ones who oppose shotacon, a lot of those people still welcome characters that are 15 year olds like picrel, while condemning 18 year olds like the lucky star characters. Truly Schrodingers pedo.
The “disregard canon ages, we should go with pure looks” doesn’t seem like it’d be able to be properly enforced; I disagree that Venti looks canonically meant to be feminine, I see pure shota fuel. Aether seems more feminine to me, mirroring his twin sister, but I still see people referring to him as shota. I think it’s too subjective to make banning rules properly enforceable.
IMO all discussion of it should be banned from all boards but /m/ where only sfw should be allowed, with suggestive stuff being allowed while spoilered, and NSFW should just be discouraged altogether unless it relates to milk. Not sure about banned, though, again, because of the subjectivity. People are already banned for dumb shit. I got redtexted for telling kys to a scrote. I don’t trust mods to know when Scaramouche is drawn sissified, gender bent, or shotaified.
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If we're going by body type, I think "shota" can most easily be defined by proportions like picrel, 100% safe picture but spoilered just in case. It's a younger version of an existing character that toes the line but (usually) looks fine IMO. Characters like Venti and Ciel just look like more andro and sometimes shorter versions of typical anime teenage boys to me.>>56561
I agree with most of this, though. Overall, this seems hard to enfoce and a bit knee-jerk. We can all agree on not wanting moid spam or infights about this topic. Since this is a site for grown women, I think we can pull that off without having to ban any topic entirely or disrupt normal fandom discussion. Just like with anything else, anons who don't like it simply shouldn't engage with it, and anons who do like it shouldn't be overbearing or try to force it.
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Samefagging and adding on screenshot>inb4 how do u now she's not a man/tranny?
She had her nudes get leaked. She's an obese brown woman.
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Samefag, looked this person up in the archivehttps://desuarchive.org/r9k/search/text/Chickn/
There are a bunch of posts calling it a tranny, even the people exposing its pedo DMs are saying so. Honestly seems like it's a tranny who keeps getting all the proof of its manhood deleted from the archive, but I can't say for sure. Either way, I'm not sure why anyone would post it here insisting it's a true and honest woman, doubt anyone here would support it.
I literally said she sends SHOTA to guys she grooms and has a SHOTA fetish she admits to to guys she talks to, her SHOTA fetish is why she targets young boys. You guys are no different than her, she didn't start grooming early on, it escalated and as it did, her victims
age started dropping even lower.
The proof is that everyone who posted it called it a tranny. I don't know who this person is. You brought it here, so you
prove it's a biological woman if you care so much.
So you think shota is no big deal even if its used to groom underage boys and rape them because you assumed the rapist is tranny because you found a random accusation online? Do you also think the shotafags in /ot/ are trannies because they're defending the distribution of loli/shota and most anons call them males/trannies as well?
Because by that logic, you'd also think these shotafags are also male since they also randomly got accused of being male, right?
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Samefagging again because I did decide to look, just for the fuck of it. This took me all of 5 minutes. People who've talked with him have exposed him. He's a tranny catfish who's been at this for years, grooming young boys. Notoriously refuses to VC on Discord. Someone ("Gumshoe", with the Jojo reaction pic) who met up IRL with him at 16 confirmed it's a gross man and he regretted every decision to that point. I'm annoyed that you posted this and feel stupid for even entertaining it for even a second, thereby helping your dumb ass derail the thread. Enough bullshit, discuss the subject like a normal person instead of pushing tranny drama. We already have to deal with Blaine. You are an actual retard for assuming it was a woman "because he said so uwu" and dragging this bullshit here as a "gotcha".
“Shota is used to groom underage boys!!!” There are a million things uses to groom underage boys. NSFW pictures of adults or completely SFW movies are used as tools to tell vulnerable kids “this is what grown ups do, and you’re grown up, aren’t you?” That is WAY more common tactic and you know it.
Statistically, that person is highly likely to be a tranny, if it’s actually a woman (burden of proof is on you) it’ll be an outlier so not worth the autistic screeching. The derailing is so annoying.
Plus I literally said shotafags should accept getting banned if it happens since this debate is tireless. I just haven't seen the drawn kiddie porn being posted that you're all up in arms about.>>56588
You're throwing a tantrum and it's embarrassing
I wish we could just rely on common sense on whether something is pedobaitshit and not deal with the "but my 300yr-old whos 17" or "my bodybuilding 15yr old" scrote-like whataboutisms. take your sebaciel to discord or ao3 if you care that much about bans. im tired of seeing complaints being ignored by shotafags and fence-sitters just because ~men do worse but we're women so its moralfagging and bordering on antifeminist~>>56583>>56584
your absolute refusal to not talk about shotashit on a retarded imageboard where 99% of us dont want to see it reeks of psychosexual issues. Why can’t you take that shit elsewhere if you don’t wanna see everyone hating it?
Yeah, I agree. It's pretty straightforward. I think arguments like >>56561
are disingenuous. Even thought that character is apparently 15 no one thinks it looks like pedoshit, and saying a pedobait character is a 9000 year old dragon is bullshit, it still looks like a kid. Besides, no one is talking about banning talking about underage characters, just sexual content involving them. If you can't talk about anime kids without sexual stuff you have issues.
To clear up further concerns, if the majority of users have voted to restrict this type of content being (as it is right now over 70% of votes favour some type of restriction), then we will implement the restriction with the highest number of votes, even if it does not reach first place. The only way that no restrictions will be imposed is if the two options that represent that choice total more than 50% of the votes.
Given how quickly votes are being cast, we are reducing the timeline of the vote down to 5 days (which will mean it finishes on the 13th). If several similar options are very close we will have an informal run-off vote in a thread in /meta/.>>56456>>56457
Making decisions behind closed doors isn't the transparency we want to have with users. We acknowledge this was obviously a very awkward and clunky way to do it and we didn't provide enough context. We've updated the poll page to make it clear what is going on.
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At this point, I think it's the baiting and infighting that's the problem, not even the subject matter or content. I've literally never seen anons spam shota or NSFW to warrant this kind of attention, but I have seen posters both for/against arguing their gay theoretical opinions about it for hours. I think the admins know this, and that's why it feels so juvenile and embarrassing that the question is whether to add clauses to the rules in order to restrict it, instead of how to better handle our infights. It feels like putting a band-aid on the situation, and giving baiters and shit stirrers on either side "their way".
I know I'm paranoid, but I can't help but feel like this means men will eventually actually be able to control what we talk or post about, in a roundabout way. For example, a small to medium sized Discord server of men/troons can easily decide they're going to post bait and start incessant arguments on any hyper-specific topic. Imageboard-illiterate retards and twitter newfags will eat it up and engage with it every time instead of reporting/ignoring, and rather than addressing how we respond to bait or infights, whatever hot button subject it is will just get banned. It's almost like if the anorectal violence sperg was taken seriously.
Also, on the entire debate: Lolcow will never be anyone's "pure" mental home. About the one thing we can all agree on is fuck men, and that's honestly how it should be. People can hate or like whatever genre of fiction, politician, celebrity, whatever. Some people are almost exclusively posting fearmongering and emotional baits to try and deflect from this fact, but that's the crux of it. I know from certain threads on /g/, /m/, and /ot/ that I'm posting alongside nonas with all sorts of weird and fucked up fetishes and dumb opinions, and that some of you are literal furries, but it just doesn't matter. Come to think of it, the dog and cat hate threads managed to attract actual scrotes, gore spam, and posters casually advising each other on how to to do illegal things like poison other people's pets, but neither generals or the topic itself were ever banned. Mods just ban the insane ones. This is despite the fact that typical posts about disliking dogs or cats easily go in the vent, GIOYC or annoying threads. I'm sure some anons from those threads will get mad at me for talking about this, try to deny it ever happens (we've all seen it, don't bother, idc) and argue it's justified because of free speech, but by that same metric, anything else "sensitive" can easily be handled the same way if only anons knew how to stop taking shitty bait. >Any posters trying to push deranged or extreme takes = We tell them to shut the fuck up, report them for derailing and infighting. No more attention for them. >Any kind of advocacy for illegal acts/harm = Ban and sitewide shaming. >Avatarfagging and constant attention-seeking over one's own autistic interest = Ban and/or sitewide scorn until exile (like seal-chan).
It should be this easy. Outside of maybe how we handle infighing, I don't think the rules need to be changed, or that we need to add fresh restrictions on any one topic, because again, the reaction and eternal slapfights are the real issue.
Here is the baby version: Banning discussion of something because certain kinds of posters can't stop arguing about it does nothing but infantilize us all, and it make it so scrotes can
have our speech censored with enough pressure on any topic. Literally anything you can think of can be described as "generally hated by women" if the speaker wants to push that angle enough. This is because we're fucking human beings with a variety of opinions. Ban scrotes, ban spammers, ban trannies, ban infighters. Stop shitting the bed. Simple as.
Nobody is even regularly posting NSFW shota on lolcow aside of spamming scrotes. It’s amazing how indignant people can be over a non pressing issue. You’re all shitting yourselves over something that literally does not happen.
Where are the hoards of shotacons making threads craving for visibly underage NSFW? How many times have any of you honestly seen a sizable chunk of users banding together to cheer for pictures of sebaciel exploring each other’s yaoi holes? Only significant times it gets posted is in bad art thread for the shock factor, and it didn’t warrant any of this shit fest from the incompetent admins. But thanks for the infighting over some hypothetical cryptid pedo fujo and her two or three friends, farmhands. Great work.>>56628
>>56656>why do you think banning pedos will slow down cp spams when pedos are the ones who are spamming?
Are you retarded? To spam, you need content and the ones who spent hours defending their pedophilia are the types to have this content on their computers ready to spam. If they got device or rangebans they couldn't evade, the spams would lessen in quantity.
How can you not understand that banning pedos will lessen pedos who spam?
And other topics that cause constant infighting and cultivate a shitty userbase get banned or have their threads locked because they're hogging mod resources, it's not a new thing. Why are you so hellbent on defending shota and loli if you don't even see it being posted here? If it barely exists, what integral board feature of value are we losing by banning it? Drawn child porn is even illegal in plenty of western countries so it's not something outlandish to demand, in fact it's quite sensible to not want to see it. And don't try to claim "b-but it's not all nsfw", shota and loli as a genre
are quite explicitly used to refer to porn.
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>shotafaggotry comes up
>thread immediately devolves into retarded infighting
yeah ban it lmao
I've already explained why I don't believe in banning any particular topic rather than banning tards for sperging and infighting. It sets the worst possible precedent. If it was about Amber Heard and Johnny Depp, I'd say the same thing. The autism will migrate, because it's not even the subject that's the problem, but how our userbase reacts and self-rewards for certain behaviors.
There's little to no "userbase" to speak of, the problem is bigger than what it's being made out to be, and I maintain that. If you think moids and trannies seeing this don't know now how easily they can brigade us just by shitposting hard enough, you are giving them too much credit. I guess another reason I have stakes in this is because it reminds me of how subjects I actually do enjoy (pinkpill, 2X, anti troon discussion) got banned for years over trannies and men starting infights, spamming and destroying a bunch of threads. >And don't try to claim "b-but it's not all nsfw", shota and loli as a genre are quite explicitly used to refer to porn.
So what porn gets posted? Again, where is the userbase to make a problem of? Are they in the room with us right now? It's always shitty moid bait, and they will keep baiting, and we will pay the ultimate price as the focus keeps changing until we can't post or do shit.
Nta and I'm personally tired of shotafags defending depictions of sexualized prepubescent children so stubbornly, but it's obvious you don't know much about female otaku. There is always a "shota type" of character in any anime-style franchise with a large bishounen cast, even if said character is not actually a child and just looks really young, which seems to be the only real kind of shota characters being posted. I really don't think those posters are spamming CP (which btw, at least from the few times my eyes have been assaulted with it, seems to always be of girls).
Anyways I don't know how shotafags expect everybody to not think they're pedophiles, when they don't even bother explaining this distinction or specifying what kind of pictures or characters they want to post, and instead keep defending ALL degenerate depictions of children.
Are YOU retarded? There is no "spamming" because spam isn't allowed on lc in general, it's global rule #9, and global rule #4 if you want to get technical. Banning a subject isn't going to magically stop bad actors from spamming, they do that anyways.
Are any of you losers actually interested in discussing what's best for lc, or are you just taking the opportunity to moralfag us all to death?
Even if that anon tries to avoid this, at least a few posters (not all) are "anti" types who most likely will want that, and after that it'll be "problematic
" content in general, so discussing things with ethically wrong/questionable themes like in American Psycho, Game Of Thrones or Flowers In The Attic will probably garner reports and complaints too. This is on top of scrotes ruining threads on purpose to fuck up conversations.
Here, anon >>56419
cerbmin posted this to clarify the purpose of the poll. And in the original post where the poll was first explained here >>56286
it was stated the proposed rule changes are mostly due to infighting.
Hope that helps, but I know some anons are still confused.
Thank you anon. Yeah I did read that post and the new description on the poll. The way admins wrote it makes it seem like they themselves weren't clear on this because>the purpose of this poll is not to decide whether to allow this content
Doesn't really make any sense when you consider that the options on the poll are whether or not that content should be allowed and >we believe it would be best to formally lay down whether content of this type should be allowed to be posted in any capacity
Idk. Messy, but I'm not too bothered because I trust that the result of all of this will be good.
You're totally right, reading it again. It does seem contradictory at best, ass covering at worst. I get why anons are getting thrown off now
Personally, I think this is happening because the mod team itself is split on whether lolisho is the devil or not, and some of them just don't care. I've seen farmhands delete files and call nonnas disgusting for posting caps of milk related to discussions, and I've seen what you're referring to here >>56676
, as well as anons openly discussing shota without issue.
The problem seems to just be infighting, and I wish cerbmin had waited to get more farmhands and strategized a way to control it before doing something this drastic. None of the other topics annoying anons shit up threads with are getting this treatment, though I wouldn't be surprised if that happens, too.