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This thread is to discuss your grievances with gender ideology.
>What is gender ideology? Foundational to transgenderism, gender ideology is the belief that one’s “internal gender” can contradict one’s biological sex.
Gender ideology operates much like a religious cult. There is no scientific evidence that supports the notion that we have an “internal gender,” and yet doctors now medicalize and sterilize children with “transgender identities” who have been groomed by the cult. Anyone who does not reaffirm these delusions is labelled as a “transphobe” in order to discredit any dissenting voices of the cult.
Previous threads:
>>>/ot/2473199>>>/ot/2444792>>>/ot/2373578>>>/ot/2351915>>>/ot/2290853>>>/ot/2252408>>>/ot/2191693>>>/ot/2121106>>>/ot/2097274>>>/ot/2037097>>>/ot/1991983>>>/ot/1941872>>>/ot/2405643Relevant threads:
MtF/Trans-Identified Male General
>>>/snow/2100731FtM / fakeboi / TIF general
>>>/snow/2100119Peak trans
https://lolcow.farm/2X/res/21342.html#21342Ovarit Archives
https://lolcow.farm/2X/res/38865.html#38865Resources:
Peak trans stories from banned Gender Critical subreddit:
https://www.saidit.net/s/GenderCritical/comments/54yt/gcs_peak_trans_archived/Peak trans stories from Ovarit:
https://pixeldrain.com/l/JTwRJCYR“Listen to trans people” series:
https://x.com/marycatedelvey/status/1897370783816790064“You told me you were different” TIM on TIF violence anthology:
https://libgen.is/book/index.php?md5=1E3552778745CA46FE01054D2886BB3D No. 2490116
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This tranny is arguing that troons are real biological women and that using gametes as a major determinant for biological sex is… misogynistic? He argues that the "prioritization of gametes" is somehow implying that women are cattle, but that's so retarded kek. Implying that having those gametes somehow gives you that purpose is misogynistic in itself. We don't call people ableist for saying that people with down syndrome have an extra chromosome. There is nothing to be determined about the way one should live their life just because they are apart of a group defined by certain immutable traits. I hate these gay ass debatelords
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>>2490116Hormones make you female, but the gross limp dick between your legs doesn’t?
Make it make sense kek. They can’t claim that HRT changes their sex without talking about the big elephant in the room
>but intersex reeeePeople with DSDs are still either male or female, a scrote with a DSDs isn’t a woman.
>but Swyer Syndrome reeea vaginal canal with that leads nowhere and the absence of an uterus and ovaries doesn’t make them female, but I argue that these people should live as women, since they are registered as such when born. But anyway the crowd of Lilith don’t have that, they have stinky penises they Jack off every day to girlgasm.
No. 2490348
>>2490282Better to just ignore it, I get that she feels panicky about it now but people today forget so easily once some shiny and new thing to be
triggered by shows up. Like you said, apologising once will just open the pandoras box. And with that crowd, even apologising and doing everything that shouldn't be considered right by their books will not be enough because you are now branded as a sinner in their eyes and that they can push you around to their heart's content. She should simply just not bring any attention to it, for her own sake.
If she feels she really
has to make a video, make one similar to the half-assed one Michele McDaniel did years back when she accidentally "misgendered" Demi Lovato in one instagram post, in the video she basically straight up said that she doesn't know anyone that identifies as anything else but their birth sex, so for her it doesn't come naturally and people should just get over that for some people it requires a couple of extra mental steps whenever someone that acts and looks like a typical woman does not identify as one. But that would require a fair amount of balls and ability to set boundaries.
Speaking of Michelle McDaniel, so disappointed that she is now part of the TWAW crowd after joining tiktok No. 2490383
>>2490358"I didn't know you identify as NB when I said that, and I'm sorry that in my ignorance I hurt your feelings."
Important thing is to not apologize for misgendering her, and to not apologize to the community. Imply that you would have said "they" when in actuality you would have either referred to her exclusively by her name or not talked about her at all. It's worked for me a lot of times in smoothing over drama within online communities but I'm not a content creator so I admit there might be more to it than I realize.
No. 2490730
>>2490487This, have people saying to apologize learned nothing about online cancel culture all these years? Unless its a controversy of disastrous proportions, ignoring it will ALWAYS make it go away. Hell, some scrotes have even gotten away with rape accusations by just never acknowledging them (Cody Ko). By apologizing, you're giving it power. Most of the time the people complaining about it don't even think its a big deal either, they just get a thrill out of getting the virtual pitchforks out and maybe earning a cringe teary eyed apology video they can later make fun of for their efforts.
Especially if the crime was "misgendering" an enby. No1currs about theyfabs, not even other troons. Predictably, the only care about TIMs.
No. 2490837
>>2490421Oh yeah. The usual liberal suspects I know are all screaming and crying and malding over this. I take solace in the fact these retards are just wrong. And now the law has basically enforced them as being wrong and they can't stand it.
They legit keep saying 'SEX ISN'T BINARY' and blah di blah but they still can't show me a single instance through the thousands and thousands of years of human history where a man (penis haver in this case) has ever given birth. Ever. From the beginning of us pulling ourselves out of the evolutionary muck, female has created life. And female will always create life. That is an unquestionable fact and truth. Civilisation and humans exist only due to woman. Mother Nature doesn't care that you think you have a woman soul.
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>>2490383dont do this, youre just kissing her ass and apologizing for something that isn't even a problem in the first place. How is she supposed to know her 'speshul pronouns' when shes
>one of those feminine girls who literally make zero effort to pass) youre better off just ignoring her, those types of enbies are attentionwhores who larp nonbinary to get attention that theyre not like "other boring cis girls"
No. 2490872
>>2490282I agree with
>>2490306 that she should try to just ignore it unless she's the type of CC where her lack of answer is very obvious. In that case I think
>>2490358 has the right idea in grey rocking/giving the most lowkey apology possible. I think any variation of "oh, I didn't even realize" would be best if you can hack it, since there's not even an actual apology in that sentence and also puts emphasis on the NB and how much she presents as a regular feminine woman kek
No. 2490912
>>2490282I would say ignore it. You should never give an inch to those retards, and if your friend has never talked about troons on her content, chances are most of her followers won't care about the misgendering that much.
However if an apology is needed because the drama blew up, it should be a very short apology so thembies don't feel too welcomed in her channel, but also so they don't get enraged enough to fuck up her career or something. This would put off her potential GC viewers however.
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I have a normie friend who doesn't buy into troon stuff and will call TIMs men with me but isn't familiar with how terrible there are. It confuses her that misogynistic men want to become women. Is there a good general article you all would recommend about AGPs for people who aren't terminally online or autistic?
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>>2490837>'SEX ISN'T BINARY'>but they still can't show me a single instance where a man has given birthThey can't show this because they don't agree that the sexes are reproductive categories. They take the "cluster characteristics" idea to the absolute extreme. Sex, by their definition, is ten thousand different things like hormonal profile, secondary
but NOT primary sex characteristics, genes, chromosomes, brain differences, behaviour, etc. By this logic, just like how no two people have the same view of their own gender, no two people have the same physical sex, so "female" is completely undefinable and means nothing. Ergo, my sad ugly penis qualifies for your ""female"" space.
And if you try to say that sex IS based on reproductive organs, they claim you're reducing women to nothing but walking vaginas and breeders, even though this is what MEN do and have done throughout history, which is why it's important to both recognize the physical difference and make separate spaces for both sexes so women don't have to deal with male objectification and sexual violence. No. 2491152
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>>2491132Kek they are doubling down
No. 2491153
>>2491028I think that there's nothing more blackpilling than listening to troons themselves, but most don't have the stomach for that, and you have to read a
lot before you really realize just how hypocritical and self-interested their beliefs are.
I think the next best thing is a case study.
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>>2491152>trans women are biological womenKek
No. 2491179
>>2489174>6ft1There are WNBA players who are 7', but they are female just like you. Also, you say in your other posts that you use a wheelchair, which would make you the shortest person in the room regardless.
>deep voiceFrog voice is not "deep."
>beard-havingA hairy woman is still a woman, and growing a beard is a fashion choice. If you can't stand getting weird looks for having a beard, shave it off.
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>>2491132Samefag, if you bring up that males can inflict a specific kind of violence towards females that can't ever be returned, one that's especially evil when birth control methods are restricted, they just leave or deflect in my experience. I've never seen a direct answer to this.
And here's another pic that really pissed me off. Homosexuality HAS been legally defined for THOUSANDS OF YEARS. Being gay was illegal almost everywhere and getting caught would get you fucking killed.
>>2491028"Conservative Men in Conservative Dresses" is old and tame but that and other conservative/incel-to-troon things might be good, especially if you remind her about how loose the modern qualifications are ("if you think you might be trans, you ARE trans!") and the things post-incels say ("I thought I hated women and would slam them down at every chance, but I was actually just jealous of how easy they have it"). If she can handle it, then maybe follow it up with Bubba Copeland for a modern example. He was a mayor, pastor, father, and complete freak who posted about being a transgender woman on his Reddit, not to mention his IRL stalking fiction. If you look up pictures of his wife and compare them to his crossdressing, it's clear he was skinwalking her, tying back into Conservative Men. This article is decent:
https://www.npr.org/2023/11/07/1210928121/bubba-copeland-alabama-mayor-suicide-cross-dressing-media-ethicsIt's hard to find things about AGP for normies because it's a fetish, and a very bizarre and sexist one too. I personally couldn't believe someone could call themselves a feminist and still get off to sissy/forcefem/TF porn. And crossdressing fetishes are already uncomfortable, AGP is like if you cranked that up to 11.
No. 2491203
>>2491132My first response to
>Sex isn't binaryis always
>How many gametes are there?There are body plans for producing large gametes and body plans for producing small gametes, and even in (extremely rare) intersex cases, the body clearly leans toward one plan or the other. No human being in medical history has been able to produce both gametes. When 99.99% of people fall decisively into one of two physiological categories, the remaining .01% isn't a "third option," it's an statistical anomaly. It's like saying that that there should be a third option besides "heads" or "tails" because coins land on their sides a miniscule percentage of the time.
No. 2491206
this actress saying that she has never felt unsafe around a troon is getting a lot of attention. i think she thinks that all tw are like dylan mulvaney or alex consani and she doesn’t understand that most troons are gooner social rejects who commit sex offenses against women at a rate even higher than most moids.
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>>2491206>Loser BehaviourWell, I might be a loser and significantly less successful than her, but at least I'm not going to get skinwalked or maybe even molested by my true and honest transgirl galpal.
No. 2491350
>>2491206I hate the cringe, smug tone handmaidens always have.
>Threatening your womanhoodReally? What does this even mean? Do they think we hate trannies because we have some intrasexual competition with them over moids or something? KEK
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>>2490042JK Rowling quoting Hannibal Smith from the A-Team: "I love it when a plan comes together."
And also later adding:
"To those celebrating the fact that I'm smoking a blunt: it's a cigar. Even
if it decided to identify as a blunt for the purposes of this celebration, it would remain objectively, provably and demonstratively a cigar."
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No. 2491538
>>2491524Notice how he gives the worst traits to the ones he thinks are female but makes the poor widdle trans girl a
victim of circumstance. Also wasn't it the consensus in troon circles that Shinji would be a TIM?
Probably because of how easily pathetic men project onto him>>2491528TIMs rape women and other TIMs, and the people who rape TIMs are exclusively men and other TIMs (men). Males are their own worst enemies KEK
No. 2491545
>>2491535It's psuedo-intellectual speak. Say a bunch of clinical/academic words to make it look like they have a point.
>>2491538I don't even disagree that there wannabe incel piece of shit TIFs and that genderspecial women/"theyfabs" are all attention seeking and I still think this degenerate would be better off in an institution.
No. 2491553
>>2491544Someone make
terf kaworu edits please
No. 2491570
>>2491523Context? I just know this woman had to be put on witness protection after owning trannies like that kek. It's true its far easier for TIFs to pass than for TIMs to pass.
>>2491528And it's still infinitely more common for TIMs to be the rapists and molesters than for them to get raped in the first place, considering it's a fetish.
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>>2491553Here nona, last thread pic but with TIM Rei and
TERF Kaworu
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>>2490070People are using her as "fascist image" so much, it's starting to lose the real meaning behind "fascism".
No. 2491577
>>2491524How is Asuka an autopedo though? She's just attracted to an adult man, which is pretty normal for a teenager, her trying to seduce him is obviously wrong, and a sign of her trauma, but Kaji shuts that down pretty quickly. Asuka has MANY character flaws that this person could have pointed out, but this really isn't one of them, in my opinion. If anything Asuka has a giant complex over wanting to be mature, despite being 14, how is that autopedo in any way lol.
>>2491571Based
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Is the UK particularly leftist or is it ultimately ran by right-wing retards? I'm sure these terms mean different things across the pond, but in general:
>Are "trickle down" economics a thing?
>Are they okay with homosexuality and non-white races?
>Any (other) major policies that protect women, like abortion, harsh sentences on rape and domestic violence, etc.(derail)
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Xitter continuing to deliver the goods
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Complimented what I thought was a woman on what I thought was a cute elf girl tattoo. Turns out it was in fact a troon and the tattoo was from rape hentai.
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>>2491132>Trans women are biological women: this is a fact of the bimodal reality of sexed traits which are mutable and are modulated via dominance of either testosterone or estrogenThen, how come if a male replaces his testosterone with estrogen, and a female replaces her estrogen with testosterone, they start developing serious health conditions as side effects of HRT? Could it be that their bodies aren't built for it because they're biologically the sex opposite to the one they claim? For males and females to have those hormonal levels is not natural or healthy. Their bodies are meant to produce certain amounts of each hormone because of their sex.
>which sex: genetic, hormonal, or gonadal?>the court deems gametes the primary determinant of biological sexThat's because living beings that reproduce sexually are either male or female. That's why we have genitals and X and Y sex chromosomes. It's all based around the specific type of reproduction that us humans are capable of. Our sex is ultimately based on the gamete we are meant to produce, even if for some reason we aren't able to produce it (sterility).
Your chromosomes determine which genitals you'll have and which hormone you'll produce more of. Every single time, except in extremely rare accidental cases (people with intersex conditions), hormones, gonads and chromosomes all match. Even when they don't match, the person still clearly belongs more to one sex than the other. A human born with a little vestigial tail is still human
side OT note: it's twice as common in males than in females kek; a human born with no arms or legs is still human; they just have a birth defect, so you can't say "mammals have any number or limbs" just because some mammals are accidentally born without limbs or with extra limbs. You can't say "humans have any number of fingers" just because some people are born with missing or extra fingers instead of the five on each hand we're supposed to have.
The existence of intersex people is trivial anyway, since trannies are not intersex, AKA they were born with matching chromosomes, gonads and hormones.
XY chromosomes -> testicles -> release of androgens (male sex hormones) -> male genitalia. It's all related to the development of a single sex. Any of these steps failing (therefore leading to an intersex condition) is not normal.
>Sex is a homeostatic property cluster containing an array of primary, secondary and tertiary sexual characteristicsI hope by "tertiary sexual characteristics" this person meant psychological stuff (still unclear how much is biological and how much is social) and not cultural, human-made bullshit like dresses, makeup and the color pink.
I want to A-log these people I swear to god.
No. 2491750
>>2490822Like the other anon said, look into the concept of narcissistic injury. They’re acting like they’re dying because they’ve been told no. It’s that simple. They’ve been denied something many of them used to claim they didn’t even want in the first place, but now that it’s being taken away they’re screaming like toddlers. Trans ideology is driven entirely by people who want things they cannot possibly have but refuse to accept this. They experience every “no” like a betrayal and an injury to their very being, even when that “no” is coming from nature itself, but
especially if it’s coming from women.
No. 2491760
>>2490233Amazing points anon, and in fact one of the things that originally foretold the current TRA movement was the women's march/pussy hats in 2017. When women were out in the street marching in the hundreds of thousands for shit like abortion rights, a bunch of troons attended the protests and started freaking out that they were transphobic because of cat-ear hats and the emphasis on pregnancy/abortion/reproductive rights which were some of the women's issues women cared about and were worried about most after Trump's election. Some of you here may have peaked later than that and not remember it anymore but I was already GC at that time and it was one of the most horrible, distasteful things I've ever witnessed. Back then they knew that they weren't biologically female, were mad because they don't have 'pussies' and therefore found the pussy hats exclusionary, and were fucking pissed that one of the main political issues women cared about was reproductive rights.
Fast forward to current year and they're blithely trying to argue the same thing from a different angle: women shouldn't be defined by our biology and 'women's rights' shouldn't focus on issues specific to our biology. But now they have learned to twist it around and say that akshully, it's really offensive and misogynistic to point out women are the sex that get pregnant, and akshully, by recognizing that women are adult human females, we are in fact undermining our reproductive rights and calling ourselves breeding sows! I can't believe they managed to pull this off without everyone calling them out on it since they were the ones originally pissed about women's reproductive rights activism in the first place. Now they'll just argue they're biologically female and have 'pussies' too (even if it's just their intact dick) and hope that libfems forget they were screeching at the women's march that it needed to be more dick-centric and fighting for our right not to be treated as breeding sows was transphobic. The worst part is libfems just buy into this and give them asspats for their hypocritical academiaspeak screeds.
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Bunch of liars
No. 2491792
>>2491132Does anyone remember the days where, if you pointed out TRAs are trying to obfuscate the realities of biological sex, they would all claim that was preposterous and absolutely no one would ever do that and you were using a 'slippery slope fallacy' to try to invalidate them and make their ideology look ridiculous with a terrible strawman and sex and gender are two completely different things? Narcissist's prayer. This is why you should never give these people an inch.
>>2491692I met all but one of the women I dated irl because most of the ones on the apps seemed to be gendies. I think women saying bi on their profile is a pretty good hint (although there are the straight unicorn chaser types to watch out for) because most gendie bisexuals call themselves queer or pan. I also have found in my irl experience bisexual women are way more likely to be TERFs because like you said, they can get away with it more easily since men will let them be open terves. But a lot of this type of bi women aren't going on the apps because they have a larger dating pool and often aren't only specifically trying to date women. You can also try putting hints on your own profile and seeing who messages you instead. Some people say that having stuff like your HP house on your profile is a hint, although personally I dislike harry potter so I wouldn't put that myself. You can also just try to feel them out in messages before setting up a date, at least it's wasting less time.
>>2491700>How come … they start developing serious health conditions as side effects of HRT?They usually won't admit to this unfortunately, although it's a great question to ask.
>which sex: genetic, hormonal, or gonadal?Kek what even is 'hormonal sex'? Gonadal sex is just genetic sex, or at worst epigenetic sex. Which is the same as the sex determined by the type of gamete you produce. I wish I didn't believe that her husband teaches human reproductive development to medics but sadly, I do believe it in 2025. He should be fired since he's retarded.
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i hate this stupid faggot so much. he should stick to drawing #relatable cringe millenial bobblehead comics instead of whatever this is. since he's so pro-trans he should prove it by sucking on a pooner's rotdog and numb crusty pepperoni nipples.
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>>2491774I never got, and yet to still day with the couple of tif acquaintances I still have, the question of whether they pass or not so there have never been anything to lie about. Though, I did once get the question of how I was perceiving them "as a straight woman", I was still at the cusp of fully peaking at the time so I didn't really know what to answer except "someone that it wouldn't work out sexually with", and she seemed to find that answer acceptable. I don't think I've ever percieved any troon as their claimed gender, but even during the height of my very brief period of handmaidenry I don't think I ever really thought of them as the men and women they claimed to be - I kinda just saw them as their own thing, I guess? Because even then I was fully aware that tims could never be the same as me nor could the tifs ever be the same as my brother, and got disgusted when tims tried to claim womanhood but I couldn't at the time figure out why I felt that way.
Though, my experiences in this is mostly based on pre-covid. So slightly before the troonsanity got cranked up to eleven.
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>>2491760I tried to find some articles about this from the time but I mostly found some from 2018 a year after, this is far from the worst I saw written about it (1/3)
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>>24918112/3
I like how in this one they pretend it's about all these ignored groups, like any of these other groups other than troons would be offended by a pussy hat:
>multinational women, disabled women, queer womenWhat, are they suggesting those women don't have vaginas?
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>>24918133/3 and my personal fav, this troon was shook to his core by this innocuous sign about female reproductive rights.
>When I went to the Women’s March in Chicago in 2017, I knew that I would feel somehow left out as a trans woman. I’ve long maintained that the “pussy grabs back” mentality is a more-than-appropriate response to a president like this one. But the issues raised in 2017 over how the hats became a symbol of a specific type of cis-centric feminism are real. Standing in D.C. this year, I was reminded of how palpable that discomfort was for me personally, having to wonder if there was space for me in that crowd where it felt like so many people were staring at me like some kind of oddity or novelty.>And then, as LGBTQ+ elders so often do, Salcedo says something that I have been feeling all day: She tells the crowd she is a woman with a penis who deserves to be there. And I hear someone laugh. Maybe it is a laugh of ignorance or surprise, like a baby’s giggle during peekaboo, a game with mechanics beyond conception for the uninitiated. But that possibility is only as likely as the one I don’t like to consider — that the idea of a “woman with a penis” was laughable.He finds a way to make shit about himself at a march mostly centered around fears for women's reproductive rights:
>That matters for the trans community right now, as President Trump’s scientifically unsound military ban makes its way through the courts and headline writers believe his administration’s internal memos threaten our existence, even as legislation makes common survival tactics more dangerous. The political system has done more than fail trans women; it has directly threatened us by housing us in men’s prisons, by making asylum seekers’ lives harder, by excluding us from conversations about our own needs even as our piss is legislated.>After hearing that laugh, I decide I've had enough of the Women’s March. Moid has enough of a women's protest after realizing it's not about him, news at 11.
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>vagina museums
>rotpockets
What is even the point, hope they go bankrupt kek
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>>2491792>Kek what even is 'hormonal sex'?True. Even people with hormonal imbalances (not troons) are still the same sex. Women with conditions that cause them to have too little estrogen, for example, are still women and nobody denies that. Said hormonal imbalances can also result in health issues.
Troons who go through HRT are just injecting their bodies with something they shouldn't. Trannies' bodies naturally produce the correct amount of hormones for their actual sex, unless their organs are fucked beyond repair due to the HRT.
Hormones are important and closely tied to your sex (your actual reproductive organs). You can't just play with them, fuck your body up and call yourself a "biological" member of the opposite sex.
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>>2491760I was already peaked at the time and remember thinking that surely this would wake the handmaidens up to how misogynistic troons are. Surely! Sigh.
>>2491811I’d almost forgotten about the ‘Eurocentric’ nonsense. Such disingenuous bullshit. No white woman has a hot pink vagina! The colour was obviously chosen for the same reason that the breast cancer awareness ribbon is that exact same shade of hot pink; this colour is heavily associated with women. The pussy hats were clearly never supposed to be anatomically correct representations of the wearer’s genitalia. They were KNIT HATS with CAT EARS. Once again troons and handmaidens were using
WOC as both a cudgel and a shield. They were scrambling for a less dick-centric reason to tear down the movement and this is what they settled on. Was this the first instance of them using claims of racism to shut down a feminist movement? It’s the first time I noticed it, anyway.
I also remember being on Ravelry at the time and seeing people whine that the hat patterns being knit was oppressive to disabled people who couldn’t knit and could only crochet. So people immediately designed crochet versions, but those weren’t good enough because reasons. People complaining about the colour weren’t satisfied with differently coloured versions either. None of these people actually wanted to improve the hats or the message, their end goal was to shut (other) women up entirely.
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>>2491836>surely this would wake the handmaidens up to how misogynistic troons are. Surely! Sigh.Same, I really thought at least some people would realize how weird it was. But instead it got memoryholed and all the libfems started pretending troons are first in line to agitate for women's reproductive rights lmao. Now they can post shit moidsplaining misogyny surrounding our sexed characteristics to us and everyone has to pretend they invented feminism and that women never noticed sex based oppression before.
>I’d almost forgotten about the ‘Eurocentric’ nonsense. Me too but they continue to pull this 'white feminism' shit and 'oh no, if you don't include troons, you're not including black women either!' to this day. It was especially transparent as a strategy to bolster the numbers of complaining people back in 2017 though as white women's vulvas aren't pink either, but that didn't stop them from using their usual racist tactics of trying to pit nonwhite women against feminism anyway. In fact you're right that it may have been one of the first times they did this successfully, and then they just realized they could use this as a template to undermine feminism in the future too. It's also the first time I personally noticed it, but other anons may remember earlier examples.
>hat patterns being knit was oppressive to disabled people who couldn’t knit Lots of people were selling the hats, you didn't have to make them yourself and not having one wasn't going to get you kicked out of the protest. They were just mad the hats were there at all just like that troon in
>>2491816 was mad about a picture of a uterus and ovaries/a slogan saying not to tell women what to do with their genitals (cotton ceiling!)
No. 2491842
>>2491186>I personally couldn't believe someone could call themselves a feminist and still get off to sissy/forcefem/TF pornI (briefly) used to be a handmaiden, mostly because they (TIMs) were constantly targeted by conservative and misogynistic moids who were mean to me. But I started to peak after being constantly exposed to this shit by the same imageboard troons I defended. I hated how they wouldn't stop talking about their porn and masturbation addiction, as well as the incredibly sexist and misogynistic ways in which they ALWAYS referred to themselves. I realized "hey, these males cannot see women as anything but sluts, and pretending to be a woman turns them on because of that. They actually think being a woman is being a sex object and inherently degrading". As a tomboyish woman, I've always hated performing femininity just because people expect me to because I'm female, so I've never believed that bullshit about feminine behavior making you more "woman". In fact, this idea infuriates me, so it didn't take long for me to see the inherent misogyny in these troons' posts.
Also, don't forget the pedophilia. That's what ended up completely peaking me to the point of no return. That's what made me realize they're just mentally ill males who are entirely motivated by their urge to coom.
But I already hesitated to see them as "
valid" women before peaking and doubted their "transness" (although I started to peak soon after). There was a coomer bi guy who announced his transition and said we could call him any pronouns, and I felt a sense of relief since I didn't want to call him anything aside from "he". I never actually saw them as female, at most I thought they had a legitimate brain condition that made them hate living in their body. All the coomer and autistic moids in my online space were trooning out left and right, so I think that helped me peak, too.
tl;dr - being directly exposed to male trannies' misogynistic and pedophilic pornsickness was what peaked me. But I never truly thought of them as women, so not even direct contact might save every handmaiden. IDK
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These shitters are so annoying with the violence against JKR
No. 2491859
>>2491847All that "Your comfort character would punch a
TERF" thing is so fucking autistic and pathetic. They are literally doing the thing that Chrischan did when he made a bunch of fictional characters and Sonichu's fight against the 4cent garbage and Mary Lee Walsh in the grand climactic fight of the comic kek.
This is less high effort though, and that makes it even more sad because I'm comparing them to Chris, CWC himself, is less lazy in his autism than trannies and TRA's, and that might just be the greatest evil of all.
No. 2491886
>>2491774I was trans with trans friends. For me, I knew I never passed and I don't think I ever asked or was told I did, because I'm barely 5'0 and testosterone only gave me acne.
I know the second part is for ex-handmaidens and not people who were delusional, but I really did think some of my friends passed. Even 6'2 Alice passed to me if she had no beard shadow that day. There's a quote in
Irreversible Damage I think, about a detransitioner saying "it was like a veil was lifted. I couldn't stop seeing the sexed features and I couldn't believe I didn't see them before" (paraphrasing) and I went through that too. It's hard to explain why I was like this, but I think being a shut-in, a kid, and incredibly autistic (I didn't make eye contact until my midteens) were all huge factors. You don't really take note of what other men and women look like, so you don't understand why Alice doesn't look like a woman. And if they say "women aren't usually tall and they don't have huge shoulders" then we see them as a sexist. The best explanation for why the "veil" broke is that I learned to handle my autism and got a job, because after I turned 20, it really felt like this slow realization that literally none of us passed as the other sex and that I was surrounded by bearded women and a couple effeminate gay men. The increase in trashing feminist ideas because they were "exclusionary" (see the pussy hat posts
>>2491760 ) while they still affected me and my friends probably helped a lot too, because it forced me to look at the huge difference between females and males. After I started peaking, I stopped saying they looked like what they wanted to be, and just started using more general compliments like "nice" or "cool".
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>>2491132Another fresh example kek. Like the other nonas in the MTF thread were saying, there's apparently no defintion or standard for what "female" is, but you can still transition to female somehow by cutting your dick off?
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Trannies being sex predators, color me surprised . It is telling that they just want space where women are most vulnerable.
No. 2491909
>>2491901Paganism especially female centred paganism is infested with troons and handmaidens. I was given a link to a witchy pagan discord for over 30s women and in their verification (to weed out men kek) they outright ask what does my ideal intersectional feminism look like and why it should include troons and if it doesn't, I should be ashamed and leave.
I lied and made up a very milquetoast answer to get verified because maybe it's a stupid question and it's actually fine. And I am not kidding when I say the entire selfie channel was full of nothing but ugly men posting teehee witchy selfies and LARPing like it's the Craft and ass patting each other again and again. Dirty bedrooms everywhere, unwashed stringy hair, the most ratchet ogres in bad eyeliner. And I realised I made a mistake…The main admin was a woman but the mods were troons and any whiff of GC or gynocentric talk or attempting to speak about goddesses? Was met with aggressive troon narcissistic behaviour. All the art was ugly troon art and futa fetish crap. There was zero discussion about paganism on the whole and most of it was them wanking over lesbians and so called lesbian media.
After an hour of scrolling this cesspit, I left. This lady is a hero for protecting other women in pagan spaces.
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>>2491909tbf, it’s sorta always been that way
No. 2492075
>>2491862it wasn't. at one point blue was associated with women because of the virgin mary and pink was considered the more masculine color because it was a paler shade of red, which still had the same affiliation with violence and passion that it does today. 'pink for girls and blue for boys' wasn't introduced until maybe the 1940's at earliest. i think
>>2491866 is the explanation for why they're pastels to begin with, though.
Some articles I read said that the swap happened because pink triangles were used in Nazi camps, so it came to denote 'feminine/gay men wear pink', but I sort of find it unbelievable that Americans would have heard about that practice and adopted it whole-heartedly for their children. But it is one of my go-to examples whenever you hear someone say something like 'well i feel like a woman because i always liked [socially-sterotyped behavior], colors like pink, etc.' because it just proves that those are entirely made-up standards to begin with.
No. 2492214
>>2491789Holy shit, it's been crazy seeing them bring the
>We're licherally less than %0.000005 of the population!lie back now that they're losing support. Less than %1 of the population, yet somehow the finalists of the women's pool
and fencing competitions are all moids. Less than %1 of the population, yet every time you open up a lesbian subreddit or dating app there's zero women. Less than %1 of the population, yet they outnumber lesbians and feminists at every rally, and threaten to beat them up. Less than %1 of the population, yet hundreds of them lived in the same city and congregated to throw over 60 bottles of piss outside the EHRC to protest the bathroom bill. Lol. Lmao, even.
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>>2491888He's seething and I love to see it
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No. 2492302
>>2492240This bedicked y chromosome pretends he knows and understands women's oppression.
All he understands is male entitlement. He needs to leave.
No. 2492322
>>2491700the whole HRT damage is why I label this age as the "synthetic hormone" age after the plastic and nuclear age on how modern society is still screwing themselves over with willful exposure to chemicals
it'll be studied years later how stupid it was to fuck with your system just like how we look at humans in the Industrial Age using arsenic and mercury
like for fuck's sake we were learning about endocrine disruptors and now we're purposefully fueling that because some demand to "feel right". They can't perceive the damage beyond their ego and what's worse is that they're forcing legislation to go along with their whims instead of studying science.
I don't care if they want to be the first guinea pigs, I just don't want them dragging us down with the laws like forcing parents to let kids dose themselves
No. 2492324
>>2491692No dating apps, dating apps are terrible. Find women irl, befriend them, then date them. That's how the best relationships start in my opinion. My girlfriend used to just be a friend, now we're dating. Yes, she's also a
terf although she's less engaged in politics than I am.
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They're seething kek
No. 2492402
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legitimately what is the point in calling yourself nonbinary and then posting in mensfashion subs??
I was looking through there and found this girl. I actually do like her looks but I'm so used to tims in women's fashion subs I figured the opposite happened less. even as a tif, this wouldn't look too out of place in the women's but she insists on posting in the men's for some reason
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>>2492397This is the ugly mtf who posted that.
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There is this blog I follow on tumblr that lets users send in asks related to fanfiction and fandom and general rants, occasionally you get these unhinged TRA takes that make me kek
No. 2492448
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i’d pay to watch actresses like her spend one month in a house with 10 transbians and watch her slowly lose it abd terf out. these people are clueless as to how actual troons behave. they’re not like women at all.
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>>2491859>>2491847Maybe it's just because I'm getting older, but it's weird to me when people expect their favorite characters to be morally aligned with them. A lot of my favorite characters are horrible human beings who I would never want to meet in real life, because flawed characters generally make for more interesting narratives. I love watching Captain Flint manipulate people into helping his multitude of revenge quests, but if he existed in real life, he'd probably be the leader of a death cult or something.
Also before you accuse me of being UMPO'd, I do NOT find him attractive, I just think he's an entertaining character. No. 2492461
>>2492448>smokes a cigar while scrolling on her phone, sitting in her luxurious mansion after signing another 100 trillion dollar harry potter IP deal. While I'm not personally a fan of JK Rowling for reasons unrelated to her gender-crit beliefs, holy based.
>>2492449Gendies are people who typically stay in spaces commonly shared with a lot of little kids. Because of the same middle-school ideas being echoed and proliferated, they really have the mindset of being afraid of liking the bad guy for actually doing bad things. The ability to differentiate fantasy and the real world are for people who aren't lobotomized or had their brain stagnate in their development.
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>>2492397>pulmonary embolismKek you mean like what TIMs on estrogen get?
No. 2492549
>>2492534Literally doesn't surprise me that artificial hormones cause blood clots.
It's why I can't be on hormonal birth control, blood clots run in my family. People think I'm transphobic when I tell them that taking hormones for any reason other than for strict non cosmetic medical purposes (like needing to regulate unhealthy levels of hormones) is a bad idea.
Also wtf is up with these shithead comments saying they take their horse piss shots despite being told its dangerous by medical professions? Troons are just insane drug addicts chasing the euphoria-boner high.
No. 2492583
>>2492397Creepy. They forget that JKR started off
very tame, and was originally in favor of troon shit so long as it only affected adults and some spaces still remained sex-segregated. This kind of death wish shit (along with all the sexual harassment from TiMs) is what radicalized her. TRAs' strategy of threatening people with rape and contacting their employers isn't helping their cause one bit. At best, it causes preference falsification, and at worst, it peaks people. Of course, when you point this out to them, they claim that it's all false flagging, and that no
real troon would threaten someone with violence or rape. They just double down, and this is why they bleed support every day.
No. 2492687
>>2492603>>2492644Shinji
jerked off to his comatose friend's boobs right in front of her hospital bed, he's 110% male and a perfect candidate for trooning out.
No. 2492706
>>2492699I heard Rupert Grint stayed MOSTLY silent on it but yeah Emma and the guy who played Harry Potter (forgot his name) shit all over the woman who gave them a shot at fame (for better or for worse. Emma Watson was definitely creeped on by pedos as a child actress) so they can virtue signal for a bunch of scrotes who call it oppression when they can't rape female prisoners or punch female boxers.
Fuck those guys. The books were better than the movies, anyways.
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Tranny logic is insane. I need to quit Instagram, what an insane hoop to jump through. His main point was "j-jk rowling has common ground with jd vance and elon musk!". Kek.
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I think the reason there hasn't been a societal-level peaking yet is that the gender ideology is multifaceted and confusing.
What does a middle-aged man who "comes out as trans" after years of wanking in his wife's underwear have in common with a wrist-cutting, artsy teenage girl who wants to get rid of her breasts ASAP? Or a six-year old "trans child" in Elsa dress who gets posted around social media by his Munchhausen-by-proxy mother? Or a blue-haired gender studies major who demands to be referred with xe/xir/xerself pronouns and writes text-walls about how gender isn't important, but is also the most important thing in the world? Normies struggle to make sense out of this. Just the HSTS/AGP dichotomy is something that takes a while to digest when you learn about it ("why the hell would anyone go to the lengths transwomen go just satisfy some fetish?" - said by me, back when I was more naive about men). A lot of people aren't even sure where gay ends and trans begins, and think that what serves the one must serve the other one too (so if you have no problem with same-sex marriage you should have no problem with whatever it is that trans people are demanding). TRAs keep this confusion going because it helps them when people aren't fully sure what they are in support of, other than if it helps a minority, it must be good. And they're not invested enough to look deeper and think those who do are extremist loons of some kind.
However, I believe the gender ideology to be unsustainable, as it goes directly against reality, and will come to an end sooner or later. Hopefully all the scandals, including the brewing medical one, will help to make it sooner, but I'm not too optimistic yet.
No. 2492733
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>>2492715Your average Muslim would throw trannys off a rooftop if they could.
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4chan trannies have made a new board
https://libpol.org/tttt/ No. 2492800
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Theyre so fucking misogynistic
No. 2492801
>>2492777>Sweden or the UK, where it was never made into a wedge issue.It has been a wedge issue all over the West, anon, I have no idea where you're getting this idea that this is a US-specific thing. The UK is still far behind the US in terms of 'peaking.' I know, people call it
TERF island because of JK Rowling and a few fairly effective protests by actual feminists (which is rare to see, granted) but the UK at some points had no parties at all that weren't all-in on TRA rhetoric. The fact some people are finally peaking in the UK when half of America has long ago been peaked isn't something for Americans to be jealous of, although it's a great sign and a step in the right direction for the UK which is getting really scary with its free speech restrictions.
Also that's not the definition of a wedge issue, a wedge issue is when a wedge is driven between two different factions of the same party.
No. 2492806
>>2492796Nta but imo they
are in fact dumb or rather naive/young. Femininity is usually negatively connoted (although women ought to be feminine at the same time - it's just scrote retardation) so a lot of women love it when a male has hobbies or interests considered feminine. That's why even in female communities, some of the top personalities/content creators are moids bc "omg he gets us teehee" and also because internalized misogyny makes a lot of women take moids' words more seriously. Another factor is political correctness and "kindness", a lot of women yass queen trannies rambling about girlhood the same way they hype ugly or retarded people. Usually, even over the top girly girl libfem-leaning normies will raise an eyebrow if you start implying that womanhood/femaleness is about makeup or some other bs. At most they allow that shit coming from the pathetic hsts types (like Dylan) because they just see an inoffensive gay male bestie in him. I don't think this means they see womanhood as a costume or that they like drag for the same reasons moids do.
I say this but I do hate drag-enthusiasts kek. No. 2492808
>>2492796I have to disagree with you that the women supporting troons aren't dumb or blind to it. They are dumb, and many of them are blind, in a manner of speaking. They may see what troons are doing but they are so brainwashed and have been so threatened by the idea of being identified as a '
TERF' that functionally they start to believe what they are told and what they tell others about these moids being harmless. Usually this can't last forever and that's how peaking happens. Most of the women who peak are ex-handmaidens who just flew too close to the sun and actually got to know a TIM personally.
No. 2492832
>>2492583It's upsetting not only that it happened to her, but also that you have to be more or less terminally online and basically watched it go down in real time to fully get how insane it all was. When anyone I know that is a bit more clueless about the dangers of trannies mentions JKR being a
terf I bring up how it all started and send them the essay that pissed so many people off, and they always respond with surprise over how fucking tame her initial takes were and fully understand that she got radicalised. Sadly, just telling people about the constant shitshow she is going through isn't enough because you really have to witness it to get how fucking horrifying it is and no one with half a braincell is going to bother with that for their own sanity.
No. 2492835
>>2492823I think there's an element of it being flattering but I don't think it's common for women to actually compare themselves to moids so I don't think being next to a TIM makes anyone feel like a goddess. Women still compare themselves to other (usually more attractive) women, not to men. I think it's more of a pity reaction than anything, they feel really kind, empathetic and helpful sharing their girl secrets with a poor hard-done-by moid. I agree that these women don't realize they're actually acting subservient and that the moid sees them as the subservient, lower one in the dynamic when she helps him.
To be fair though the women I knew who defended and befriended TIMs were the exact same women who defended and befriended TIFs for the most part (except for people specifically who hung out in the lesbian community). A lot of TIMs' biggest handmaidens are TIFs and enbies themselves. They tend to hang out in the same community. Most of the time regular women treat TIFs similar to how they treat TIMs, as pathetic people they need to be nice to in order to show off how kind and generous they are.
>>2492832The whole TRA MO is to just convince people they shouldn't look into someone's actual arguments or the actual history of a conflict between them and a notorious
TERF. It 'might radicalize you,' it's just 'too much work,' or if possible they try to memoryhole it and delete everything from the internet. Most people simply get scared away from looking up what all the most evil supposed TERFs did. It was the same for Ophelia Benson, Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie, etc. - if you actually asked any handmaiden or gendie what they did they couldn't tell you, but they did know that it must have been something extremely bigoted and evil.
No. 2492863
>>2491524>Shinji is a tboy (incel, accountability avoidantThose are textbook MALE traits, what the fuck is this scrote talking about?
>daddy issuesBecause as we all know, only girls can have daddy issues, right?
>Asuka>overaccomplished, attention whore, para-autopedoI can tell this moid was one of those who hated Asuka "for no reason" other than his own misogyny. One of those moids that have a violent reaction to her. I've met them online before.
>Rei>synthetic fakeAll trannies who medically transition are.
>gets molested and raped all the time>trans womanOk, he has to be trolling.
>>2492756Leftypol hates liberals and last I heard they had a bunch of "socially conservative" "ex"-/pol/cels kek trannies would have to learn to tolerate transphobic scrotes to be able to stay there, and we all know how sensitive 4chan trannies are.
>>2492747Right? If they're all Discord trannies and will join their own Discord servers anyway why even bother staying on public imageboards?
No. 2492872
>>2492860NTAYRT but yes, TIFs do expect (and get) other women's support. They still know they're women and they still know that other women relate to them because they're women.
>>2492861It was obvious bait, and this might be too. Are you talking to yourself?
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>>2492800Got a tiny bit of pushback from a woman calling his dumb ass out and waaaaa
Also lol I scrolled a bit through his xitter
>furry >5'10 hon>posts anime coomer bait >cries about being male and not a cute anime girl>hates theyfabs as not being trans enough>no job>shut in that lives with his parents >depressionBut oh yeah. These are joyless hags with their… (shuffles card)… experience and age and probably having a successful career, children, friends, families. Yes. I'm sure they're just so unhappy. The projection is unreal.
No. 2492893
>>2492796A lot of women genuinely think troons are safe because they're "gay" (in reality most are straight men) and thus won't hurt them. Or if not gay, then at least he must be safer than big burly manly men, he somehow has to be soft, kind and a fail-male to like feminine coded stuff. Most women kind of don't realize they're just men like any other man until they see it first hand up close. It's just another "gay best friend" character.
We don't talk about it enough but I think pick-me-ism plays a role too. A lot of females crave male validation (for whatever reasons
valid or stupid), and the troons in turn prey on real women for validation - so they create a
toxic duo. Troon infested spaces are never mentally sane, it's always mentally ill people all around.
No. 2492900
>>2492801>I have no idea where you're getting this idea that this is a US-specific thing.As a eurofag I have to confirm that it IS actually a very US/English-speaking specific thing. All the gender points in my country were imported from the US despite the fact that they make no sense here. Even the most troony weeb circles here use pronoun tags in English saying "she/her" rather than the actual spoken language here. We didn't even have separate words for "sex" and "gender" and instead just had one that means "biological sex" so they had to invent a word/phrase for gender that very clumsily goes like "biological sex identity belonging". It never really caught on because it's so clumsy and derivative of just "sex". Some countries/languages here don't even have words for she/he to begin with. They'll use racism against black troons as a big talking point, while the actual black population here is like less than 1% and out of those I've never actually seen a single troon. I'm deeply hoping we're not just behind in time and that the world peaks before it gets worse.
Troonism absolutely creeped in here with all the negative effects, but it's on a smaller scale and is still a hidden issue that most aren't aware of at all. And annoyingly we're unlikely to see news like the UK ruling in the local news here. I wish it was highlighted so people here get a heads up to how ridiculous it gets before it's too late.
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>>2492900Maybe it's more common in the Anglosphere but that anon was pitting Britain against the US as if Britain hasn't been just as bad if not worse than the US on this issue. I'm also from a European family and my family/friends back home confirm that it's a "wedge issue" in my home country too, even if it hasn't gotten as severe as in my current (non-US) Anglosphere country. I take your points about the linguistic stuff working better in English but that hasn't stopped many other countries from still promoting pro-trans laws and having a blow-up of gendie people. She also was saying specifically that it's a "wedge issue" in America and not in other countries and saying that therefore people peaked faster in the UK or Sweden which isn't true - in both the UK and Sweden, there is more mainstream support for troons and fewer peaked people than in the United States, which actually has a fairly overwhelming number of fed up people (maybe because in fact the US was doing more to promote TRA ideology than most other countries, but nonetheless).
At any rate I was responding to a post comparing the US and UK and said that many Western countries (not all countries in the world) have it as a wedge issue as well (which is true). Even if it's considered less of a wedge issue in certain European countries, there are many countries that have been just as bad as the US or worse when it comes to genderism forming a wedge issue (and people being slow to peak) and the UK is definitely one of them. Sweden is also a really bad example, see picrel.
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>>2492909samefag more info about the law change, which comes into effect this year.
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>>2492912Germany's another one (this is also from 2024) that has gone full retard on trans rights recently, but it's exacerbated by Germany's insane censorship laws where people can go to prison for years just for mildly insulting a politician on facebook or liking a rude tweet. Now among other terrible hate crimes like that apparently you have… disclosing someone's 'past gender' kek, as though it was some big secret and not blindingly obvious. You can be fined 10k euros for noticing someone's birth sex in Germany in 2025.
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Why are the trannies like this lol
No. 2493106
>>2493028it's so fucking telling that they have to reframe it as 'all my detractors want me DEAD' instead of just 'the people who disagree with my delusions wish I'd recover from them'. That's not oppressive or evil enough so they have to equivocate 'disagreement' to being the same thing as murdering 'the woman inside of them'.
and additionally it proves how shaky their delusions are to begin with if they can be so easily disrupted by random strangers not even in a face-to-face interaction. I've 100% had trolling moids call me a man before or ask 'what or your pronouns' to try to insult me, I just raise an eyebrow and look at them like they're stupid. It has never once made me question whether I really am a woman or feel bad about myself. It's like the more desperate they are to experience 'girl mode' the further they get from ever knowing what that's really like, and they consider that the greatest oppression in the world instead of just a natural result of their own misguided actions and unfounded beliefs. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
No. 2493108
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>>2493079The redditard seethe has been
glorious. Apparently JK Rowling is an oligarch now? Words have meaning lol.
No. 2493116
>>2493079imagine being so unfathomably fragile that a mere visual reference to a children's book series in a dress-up game upsets your mental stability.
their reactions honestly just make me want to buy some HP merch kek. most recently I saw one of them REEEing this morning about how JKR is ~forcing~ WB to make the new television show because she hates all the previous cast for not being transphobic enough. i'm pretty sure WB approached
her with the idea to make the show because it's a cow that keeps giving milk (especially with all the investment of the theme park) but sure, JKR is pulling aaaaall the strings behind the scene. she's just that powerful and unstoppable in their minds, i guess.
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Replace terf with TRA and is the same thing. TRAs love to ignore that humans are mammals and no xxy means they're agender, they're male or female with a genetic disorder.
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This pedophile still has a space where to post?
No. 2493238
>>2493079Is this game / subreddit LoveNikki Infinity? (Haven't played because it seems like a money sink) I'm an old dress up game fan and I've noticed that newer dress up games are weirdly infested with young handmaidens in their late teens? And all girls. There is a tiny amount of TIMs who try and post on the StyleSavvy subreddit with 'is this a good game to learn how to dress as a woman? Teehee!' (Which, no, dumb ass. A game made in 2010 with exaggerated fashion and fantasy isn't a guide to how to dress) but most are like… really young women who have drunk some sort of gendie kool aid.
SuitU was constantly flooded with gendie and troon shit but most if not all the users were women. Outright. And the most popular player (who won every contest and got every set and had thousands of likes) made a post on her personal twitter years ago totally unconnected to the dress up game that women and trans women are not the same and our struggles are real but different. Super bland take. Some salty weirdo found this and began flooding her submissions with off site links to screen caps of this and launched an entire SHE'S A
TERF campaign. And the entire community was infested with these little goblins going around to every submission posting she was an evil bitch
TERF. Every time she won a contest? Bitch cunt
TERF. I tried to report these comments but the game is Asian and predictable their support is super slow / not great. They bullied her off the game essentially and she left. The chat for the game was shocking to read. Made me incredibly sad.
It's kind of the same for Time Princess community. Young women, always complaining that theirs no troons or theyfabs present in the stories or a lack of male presenting outfits for nonbinaries??? Like, idk what you want from this studio. The avatar is female. The MC is a woman. Like if you want that? Make your own game.
I miss the days when dress up games were just comfy and the community was just all women and we could talk about what we liked without 'TWAW' retardation. I miss Helix Waltz.
No. 2493299
>>2493280tbh I hate muslims more. Troons are annoying and horrible, but I think muslims are more dangerous.
I think troons who cape for them are absolutely fucking retarded. I have even seen AGPs wear the hijab (not surprising considering the the blatant misogyny of islam would be incredibly appealing to troonoids)
No. 2493319
>>2493259You dodged a bullet, Nonna.
>>2493295She did, and everybody thought that it was awesome until she went "full
terf mode".
No. 2493398
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Wants a womb and titties but can't even be bothered to comb his matted ass hair. I think these dudes just peaked all of Edinburgh.
No. 2493404
>>2493398>demanding dangerous and unnecessary experimental surgeries to fulfill their misogyny fetish when there are people struggling to afford insulin.I hate moids so much its unreal. I hope
TERF island actually bans horsepiss and cosmetic genital mutilation surgeries for mentally ill perverts/homophobes and find ways to actually treat AGP instead of encouraging their delusions of transhumanism.
They need to sign YWNBAW into law.
Then they need to make JK Rowling the ruling matriarch of England
No. 2493430
>>2491206>>2491350now that i think about it, this whole threatening womanhood/terfs not being comfortable with their womanhood and that's why they are threatened by troons is another very male talking point.
because it's men who are insecure of their gender expectations. it's men who are always insecure about their manhood. it's men who are fixated on how their manhood is perceived and how other men and their manhood compares to theirs. it's nothing but another male issue trannies and handmaidens project onto women.
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>>2493398I'm just gonna post this to let the video speak for me about the topic of trannies wanting womb transplants.
No. 2493503
>>2492980You don't have to relate to another woman's retardation to still know she's a fellow woman and relate to her because she's a
victim of patriarchy. Believe it or not, TIFs don't become male just because they go on testosterone.
>>2493043Just goes to show how much western societies love and protect women. Yeah I know other countries are even worse but things in the west have definitely backslid since the 90s/2000s for women and people pretending this extreme idpol garbage helps women are just delusional or naive or worse, doing it on purpose and taking advantage.
>>2493138XY intersex women don't get periods so yeah I'm pretty sure women do know that they're XX actually. Nice try though, TRAs, maybe try actually talking to a woman and finding out we have periods before sperging about 'biology' next time.
>>2493259Wait so she was openly against the TRA protests and the word queer but sperged about JK Rowling? How does that even work?
No. 2493555
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>>2493503Your reply reminded me that this idiot made this video and really thought the existence of intersex people was the slam dunk for transpeople being legitimate. Everything else he argues (about culture and construct) actually supports terfs points, what a buffoon.
No. 2493607
>>2491153This video really ignited a hatred for troons beyond just disagreeing with the movement for me. You’re right, hearing it straight from the horses mouth is the most damning - they indict themselves. Also seeing the protest with very normal calm women next to these aggressive men knowing they go online and claim to be terrified
victims is just so. damn. jading.
there was another video an anon linked (not on youtube, a site i’d never seen before) that was also very eye-opening/disturbing. my advice is that this kind of format is probably the type that has the highest probability of peaking people. at the very least it would introduce GC ideas to people not invested in politics or who otherwise just go with what their parties / online political sphere stands for (which for anyone left-leaning or ok with gay people will involve defending troons).
We need more people creating content like this, I think it could be eye-opening to a lot of people and imo it’s not even about changing minds - the masses always need to see that other people support their beliefs before they feel like they can be vocal about it. Once it starts it becomes an avalanche. (Especially with how beliefs on social media spread like wildfire nowadays.) I do think that this is easier for bongs - anons claim that the UK has been more troon-friendly than the US but whenever I see anyone openly questioning troons on the internet (that isn’t very far-right) this brazenly it is always a bong.
No. 2493640
>>2493198>they didn't hear a single transwoman>erase transwoman from public lifeThey keep saying "there was a
TERF group but no trannies" and it's such a manipulative claim, or maybe none of them even bothered to check what the ruling was about. This was about the correct
legal interpretation/definition of woman in the context of sex-based rights. The "
TERF group" simply brought the case. Troons retain their own specific protections against discrimination and women retain sex-based rights, that's it, why tf are they acting like concentration camps have been instituted by this ruling.
>>2493503>You don't have to relate to another woman's retardation to still know she's a fellow womanKek great observation but this is completely irrelevant, OP was not about whether normies know that TIFs are women.
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>>2492236Hes getting desperate now, sick bastard.
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"Every time someone I know self harms, I feel so relieved that I'm not the only dumb bitch on Earth. More women should self harm so I feel better about my choices in life"
No. 2493663
>>2493442Real as fuck
>>2493652Theyre the worst for me because they act like theyre better or more "real" than reddit trannies when theyre literally the exact same group of losers that nobody likes and nobody wants to be around
No. 2493672
>>2493662What makes them ghetto rappers apart from just being black and standing on a curb. Do you see them in a booth or something? Also kek at calling those obvious TIF’s, “scrotes.”
The smartest farmer
No. 2493677
>>2493673I was gonna say that. Beautiful GNC butches ruining themselves (probably because of internalized homophobia).
I want to die.
No. 2493679
>>2493238Bleak. Nowadays there are already so many platforms and games that pander to trannies, why can't they allow women to have one thing. Asking for tranny rep in non-Western games is wild. And it's sad when it's coming from women themselves.
>>2493672Smartest farmer might be you because anon was clearly saying that the TIFs want to be like scrotes, not calling them scrotes.
No. 2493706
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Some stupid dramatic troon posted a 24 second video of him crying hoping to get sympathy, the replies were not having it lol
No. 2493712
>>2493706>n-no longer legally womenI thought most of these fuckers were supposed to be heckin' anarchistirinos. Why should they care what the law says?
Also fuck them, women weren't even considered legally human until like the 20th century so they can fuck off with the melodrama.
No. 2493714
>>2493607I'm curious, could you describe the other video you're talking about? When you said that it wasn't on YouTube my mind immediately jumped to Skirt Go Spinny's Odysee channel. I know that their 'What is a Woman: Wrong Answers Only' video is pretty well known here so it might have been that, but the video that really peaked me the most was 'A Record Of Our Dissent'
https://odysee.com/@Skirt_Go_Spinny:7/a-record-of-our-dissent:f it really showcases how terrifying troons can be even when you just try to calmly express your opinions publicly. I remember when I was originally on the fence about no longer being a handmaiden watching that video was the final nail in the coffin for me. Genuinely scary to watch imo.
>>2493667>he/they>still calling herself a lesbianWhy? Is this supposed to be some sort of self-deprecating on the fact that she'll never be a man? Or is she trying to sound scrote-like in the way that some guys will call themselves 'lesbians' because they want to fuck women that aren't interested in them?
No. 2493722
>>2493655The one in the middle and the one on the left give more alt vibes than ghetto. If they were ghetto they wouldn't show off their top scars healing. They would try their hardest to pretend like they've always been fuck bots
Source: am from the hood and had a troon friend who delusionally would talk about her dick she didn't really have. Hood troons r not proud of being troons only the MTF ones r and that's only so they can brag about stealing some woman's closeted scrote bf
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Ran into an old post about JKR in the hobbydrama sub and fucking plebbitors are so fake and lacking in reading comprehension. Their list of JKR crimes is so pathetic, they constantly have to twist her words and state TWAW like a mantra to have literally anything "evidence" against her. The bitchyass op also made light of the harassment JKR faced with "
>Given that Rowling is actively bringing death to other people by denying aid to rape victims, I find it hard to care that she got a mean tweet
Like how does one reach this level of handmaidenry?
No. 2493815
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From today's protest in London after the UK Supreme Court ruling.
>Atkinson was “devastated and in disbelief”: “Why do people care so much about what we do with our lives when it doesn’t actually affect them? This is being framed as a feminist movement but the criteria they’re using to decide who is a woman brings the focus back to women as objects, as the sum of their body parts.”The inclusion of Awsten and Daisy in this article must have been by a cryptoterf journo. The wheelchairs, the hair, the names, the ages. I genuinely don't understand Awsten's point - is she arguing that all recognition of biological fact is objectification?
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/apr/19/trans-people-rally-london-gender-ruling-supreme-court No. 2493818
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>>2493223And "Black Lives Matter" became "Black Trans Lives Matter" and then "Trans Lives Matter".
>>2493720It makes no sense because British police are some of the most ardent trans activists. Transport Police are now revising their policy of letting TIMs molest women and forcing female officers to search TIMs after the Supreme Court ruling.
No. 2493827
>>2493815there are a few guardian writers who are openly gc iirc including sonia sodha (based). the use of "trans activists" in the headline gives
terf-leaning vibes at the very least.
No. 2493849
>>2493815>woman means biological female legally>absolute horror, how have we fallen this far?is this fucking satire?
>Why do people care so much about what we do with our lives when it doesn’t actually affect them?that's the thing retard, it does affect people! it's not just "your life", female spaces and rights are at stake
No. 2493856
funnily enough actually listening, observing troons instead of following the crowd is what led to my eventual peaking.
>>2493706>sorry you're upset brotherKekk
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The sarcastic little smile on this woman's face as she humours this tranny lecturing her about how his gender identity is totes valid because he was 'born like this'.
No. 2493879
>>2493866Daily Mail readers will be familiar with this guy. He throws a fit every few years and gets more surgery and then sues people.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14205345/changed-gender-three-times-sues-nhs-botched-op.htmlThe first time he detransitioned I actually felt bad for him because he claimed to have transitioned during a mental breakdown and was now stuck as a regretful eunuch who had lost everything. He owns a fucking castle now.
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>>2493815These people are deranged . I have heard that they were even pissing like dogs kek
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>>2493883Disgusting, again these people are deranged
>vandalizing a feminist statue of the suffragette movement >pro-womenThese scrotes are literally MRAs in a dress
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>>2493883Pissing like a male should work Lilith kek
No. 2493898
>>2493883>witch burningfamously known to target innocent but disliked women kek
>Puritan belief and prevailing New England culture was that women were inherently sinful and more susceptible to damnation than men were.>Women who did not conform to the norms of Puritan society were more likely to be the target of an accusation, especially those who were unmarried or did not have children.>Each of these [female victims] was a kind of outcast and exhibited many of the character traits typical of the "usual suspects" for witchcraft accusations; they were left to defend themselves.JKR should die for the crime of being a "disagreeable old woman" too kek?
No. 2493899
>>2493607I agree that this is very good peaking material but a lot of people won't sit down and watch a half hour or however long of what they know is going to be a 'terfy' video. Regardless, I think the main reason there aren't more video compilations like this is because they take a lot of effort to source and edit together and are constantly taken down, or as you pointed out, people are having to post them on odysee which very few people use relative to youtube, and mostly not normies. Have you ever tried to link a normie to an oddyssee or rumble video kek, it's… an interesting experience. I've seen tons of videos like this over the years but they all seem to disappear eventually as the censorship machine keeps turning and as prior vocal internet radfems and radfem communities give up on keeping their blogs/forums running. Seconding that you're probably thinking of skirt go spinny's oddysee like that other anon
>>2493714 said, it got posted in one of these threads.
>>2493707USA already has this more or less (for now), not sure if there's a pending SCOTUS case about it though.
>>2493794Blah blah blah woman is actual fascist nazi alt right eugenicist murderer for not only saying women are women and need to be protected, but actually doubling and tripling down on the stance that women's rights need protection! This is so run of the mill now stuff like this doesn't even mildly surprise or upset me. This is literally how most of 'polite society' views women who stand up for women against men and it has been that way for a while. There's nothing more evil, far-right and nazi in these people's minds than this.
>>2493815Kek if it doesn't affect anyone else I wonder what they think the laws are important for? One would think that rulings like this are important because they affect someone, but they want to simultaneously claim that they're life-ending AND that they don't affect anybody. It's the same type of thing as the "we are only 0.3% of the population" argument they always pull out.
>>2493892It won't peak libfems/handmaidens unfortunately. Well, it will peak a few, that's how most of us ended up here. But it will probably still take years and years before most of them stop wanting to die on this hill. This is far from the most offensive thing troons have done publicly in the last 15 years and if none of that other stuff peaked most of society we still have a long way to go.
No. 2493909
>>2493662imagine looking at balding red faced pork juice dripping scrotes and saying "i want to be like that", it's not about ending up a male, it's for escape, if you're as disgusted by scrote "groids" as you are, you'd understand these women
>>2493655 more than anyone else
(racebait) No. 2493934
>>2492912I'm a swedefag so I can confirm that the last line is true "most people will never notice the law has changed" and that is exactly how they operate here. I've literally told people about this law and they all go "Nah, that can't be right. You're just paranoid and there's no way that would ever happen here." they don't even bother to fucking look it up, they just straight up think I'm a crazy conspiracy theorist! It's so fucking infuriating.
At least Sweden on the other hand is also producing anti-trans studies and detrans TV shows too so I know I'm not alone… It's nowhere near as bad as what I see in the US/UK, like we have no JKR "
terf" figure, and puberty blockers were banned for being harmful years ago etc… It's more like both sides are fighting in the shadows here.
No. 2493960
>>2493934I don't know what's worse honestly, being in a country like Sweden or where I live where most of the law changes happen 'quietly' with no pushback or really awareness of the average person, or being in a country like the US/UK which has quite a lot of pushback but politicians insist upon passing anti-woman laws that benefit troons anyway. I think personally I'd prefer to be somewhere that people actually notice this is happening, because at least there's more of a chance of people fighting back compared to where I live where it just became illegal to even misgender people without anyone even seeming to notice. On the other hand it is a good thing that many EU countries have at least stopped medical transition for minors, which is indicative of them caring a little more about harm than the countries that keep promoting child transition, because I'd consider child transition specifically to be one of the most immoral things TRAs have done.
>>2493954>How can you see this and not snap out of it as a woman?I don't know nonna and I've asked myself that many times. I've had to end so many friendships because women I thought cared about 'feminism' saw stuff like this (and worse) and then supported it anyway and called me the evil bigot. I get why politicians and such want to promote this but whatever causes average women to want to promote this is beyond my comprehension, yet it's obviously a very strong pull looking at how many women take their side.
No. 2493988
>>2493960>I don't know what's worse honestly, being in a country like Sweden or where I live where most of the law changes happen 'quietly' with no pushback or really awareness of the average person, or being in a country like the US/UK which has quite a lot of pushback but politicians insist upon passing anti-woman laws that benefit troonsAyrt, we currently have it better nona. At least here when I talk to people here they deny it because they think it sounds so batshit insane that to them it just can't be true, so that's better than them thinking the laws are reasonable or a good thing for the "poor troons" the way casual handmaidens do. And the good thing in being "behind" is that hopefully we never catch up before the massive downfall/backlash that is now starting to happen in the UK and US that will stop it all. And overall the less mainstream troonery is in your country the fewer girls and young adults get sterilized and mutilated. Both are bad, but we're less bad in this moment. Plus while Sweden constantly sucks US-media dick, at the same people here love to hate on Americans for the usual "stupid, fat, ignorant, anti-science" stereotypes so once people here realize the US did something as stupid as to accept men as women and cutting up children it's still going to be easy for people to go "look at THOSE people being idiots, WE would never do that" and stop it all just to feel superior. People here will absolutely use the US as a scapegoat to shift the blame.
No. 2494038
>>2493988I mean, 80% of Americans when polled think the US's (former, I know they changed a bit this year) troon laws are batshit crazy. Where I live I bet more than 60% think they're fine or even agree with them completely even though our laws are way crazier than America's. The article on Sweden said 60% of Swedes polled are against the self-ID/letting them into women's spaces troon laws, which is less than America but definitely more than where I live. I don't know what you mean by 'will never catch up' though.
>And overall the less mainstream troonery is in your country the fewer girls and young adults get sterilized and mutilated.In my country there is more mainstream troonery than the US but also far less pushback to it than the US so idk what that has to do with it honestly. I think it getting into the news has some relationship to how much troonery is mainstream in normal society but it also has to do with how much of a general sentiment against it there is in the public, which here is not much. You say in Sweden most people think the laws are crazy, but Sweden was the first country in the world to have these kinds of pro-troon laws and keeps passing even more insane ones, so what use is it for the general public not to care when the politicians are going ahead and doing this shit behind their backs anyway? A backlash has to come or else you'll be stuck with those laws forever, even if you have a smaller number of troons for the time being the laws are still scary and troubling. I feel like we went from zero to 100 so fast here but the groundwork was already laid by the legal system.
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I hate TRAs, as if reducing someone to their biology is the same as defining it. Also telling how they equate female with sexual slavery
No. 2494057
>>2493818No
nonnie look up wayne couzens he was a police officer that killed Sarah Everard which lead to nationwide protests because the police officers knew he was psycho but didnt sack him. India is bringing him up to attack real women because hes a snivelling little shitty moid.
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I'm trying to make this make sense. "A deep source of shame" for who? Has Andrew Tate even try to protect women? Donated to shelters? What?
No. 2494091
>>2493866>hundreds of thousands in plastic surgery spent >'I was born like this'>nobody's allowed to point out the contradiction or even laughI guess he just means he was born insane
>>2494082weirdly enough it's more like troons are to women as Tate is to men because he REALLY advocates for performative masculinity to 'make you a man'. If you fail to live up to expectations like 'having muscles, drinking whiskey and fucking hot babes' then he'd say that makes you some kind of genetically inferior soyboy regardless of whether you came from the most perfect genes known to mankind. His version of gender is about what you do, not what you are. In the same way, troons think that performing femininity is the most important factor when defining womanhood. It's not about the body you're in or any of the real physical attributes it possesses, it's about whether you wear heels and drink mimosas and cry at Hallmark movies.
No. 2494135
>>2493720He abused his authority as a police officer to stop, isolate and abuse women. Himdia is probably implying that this ruling will give police officers authority to strip search and abuse troons entering women’s bathrooms or something. I’m sure that like many troons, Himdia enjoys public humiliation and rape fantasies and this gives him plausible deniability to explore those openly on twitter, just like those men openly fantasising about “genital checks” for girls’ school sports.
>>2494100Muslim incels, as well as run of the mill Muslim misogynists are a big problem in Europe, anon. There’s a concerning number of westernised Tate-worshiping Muslim boys at the elementary school around the corner from where I live and they’re spreading his filth to their non-Muslim friends as well.
No. 2494177
>>2494127The one in Milton Keynes? It's so near my town, I am so excited. I have no boyfriend, can we go together,
Nonny?
No. 2494185
>>2494082Tate
>rapes women>trafficks women>misogynist>has a podcast>homophobicJKR
>wrote a book so successful that children started reading more>lost her title of billionaire because she donates so much money>funds women shelters >just said that male trannies aren’t females and got rape threats and intimidation.But they are surely the same thing kek
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>>2493815>>2493883Right, the rights of
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>>2493883>>2493889They're so violent..in comparison to women's protests.
No. 2494251
>>2493204The irony being that the Catholic Church for, the most part, has made efforts to get rid of the creeps over the last few years and has become extremely strict when it comes to anything suspect.
More than I can say for the LGBTQ+ community dealing with bad actor sex pests, anyways.
No. 2494271
>>2494219The right to what? Lie about your biological sex on legal documents?
God they are so fucking obnoxious.
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i just found this dworkin quote. i know scum was meant to shock and appall the viewer by roughly quoting what men said about women, but what's the story behind this?
No. 2494421
>>2494385Some people attribute that quote to it being a different time, and that in modernity with how transexualism has actually impeded on women's rights would make Dworkin change her stance if she was alive today.
Others simply say Dworkin was correct about some things but they don't agree with everything she says.
No. 2494455
>>2494385First two paragraphs, she's talking about HSTS TIMs and lesbian transitioner types (in her time most transsexuals were gay men, versus now where 1) more natal women and girls are some flavor of trans and 2) most male transitioners are not HSTS, and either AGP and/or autistic/mentally ill. She is sympathizing with dysphoria being so bad that people were driven to transition.
The last two paragraphs are similar to what radical feminists say today, that if homosexuality and androgyny/gender non-conformity were genuinely accepted and these people could integrate into their communities like everyone else, fewer people would identify as trans or transition.
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>>2494516Black and white thinking, surely. To overcompensate for the shortcomings of their own, they must drag down the competition.
No. 2494565
>>2494487Yeah idk why JKR would openly shit on Gaiman for being a sex pest but be cool with Manson for being a sex pest?
But then again the troons will pull whatever lie they can out of their ass to tear down a woman who refuses to submit to them. It's creepy how many times people have claimed she's a holocaust denier/nazi.
No. 2494589
>>2494239The stacy holding up a mirror
vs
>>2493883The incel threat of violence against women
No. 2494606
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>>2494082"What do you mean Communism is not pro LGBT+???!"
No. 2494619
>>2494608Wait Steven Crowder crossdresses? Why didn't I know about this?
>This is also why so many right-wingers are gayThey're not though, there aren't more right wing gay people than left wing gay people. And gay isn't a fetish like AGP.
No. 2494695
>>2493714No, it was a different video- one that showcased their porn-rotted tendencies, very disturbing. Same site though I believe. But I relate to being on the fence before seeing their actual behaviours. The internet treats them with baby gloves but even just taking a glimpse at their spaces reveals a lot. It really made me think men just aren’t like us. No matter how much they try. Very wolf in sheep’s clothing.
This specific sort of depravity and perversion is so unsettling and distinctly
male.
>>2493899True. I would like to say I peaked this way though, it’s not impossible. But it does take the sort of person who tries to listen to other’s arguments in order to refute it, believing it’s only fair, or that not being able to counter would make your view flimsy. Not everyone is like this, but honestly not everyone even truly believes troonism, I feel… it’s just wanting to be PC and accepted.
No. 2494749
I want your honest opinion: how do you think that the general trans stuff is being viewed?
I feel like the glorious, big days of post covid, transition-out-of-boredom are gone and now since trannysm is being forcefed on everyone, even the younger generations are starting to hate troonology.
Yes, there are zoomers out there slapping eighty pronouns on themselves and taking horsepiss pills but I feel that we are over the "let's try to accept them" phase (which I think that this was around 2015, right after legalization of gay marriage in USA in every state to a little after 2020, the post covid identity search) and now everyone knows who the fuck they are and want them gone.
Keep in mind, I learned about troonism, as an ideology, on Tumblr. I knew that troons were a thing because they all were prostitutes in my country and female troonism, tiffanies, were not existent, now everything switched in the bat of an eye and the people that are not online totally skipped over the awkward, pseudoactivist sjw phase and now went from not caring to hating.
Just look around irl: the term SJW doesn't mean shit but "woke" does. I was peaked before covid, I peaked around ten years ago and I was feeling crazy as shit, now I feel understood for stuff like this
>>2493706 , this was absolutely impossible from 2015 to 2022ish. Everyone is tired of them and them not being able to shut the fuck up and not being degenerates will come back to them like a boomerang made of bricks, the only difference being that they played on themselves, I doubt that people will hire botchered troons, ffs fails with sagging skin but porny lips and hairy females with frog voices, they would wear those errors like a big coat of shame, a pointy hat with donkey ears.
I hate that I'm being lumped up with conservative men, I'm not, but even if conservatives fight another war, the outcome will hopefully slap troons away and will make everyone cringe at this weird phase. Troonism used to be a diseases very few suffered from, now it's a "feeling" and I truly wish younger generations will make fun of "us" for letting this happen, I can see halloween costumes in the futures being troons kek
No. 2494819
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Some hopefuel from r/askgaybros. As aggravating as I find their casual misogyny, they're one of the few LGBT-centric places on Reddit that have been consistently sympathetic to the way the site screwed lesbians over. I wish they'd do more about it, but I can also see why they wouldn't want their own sub on the chopping block. I really wish more gay men would dig their heads out of the sand and get on board with lesbians about this.
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>>2494525Pardon my autism but dogs actually
can see some colors, like blue and yellow. They just can't see red and green very well.
No. 2494832
>>2494185I like how you listed
>has a podcastalong with all the evil things he does
No. 2494842
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Found this redditor kek. I never even heard of half these sexualities. Do people just not have real personalities anymore?
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>>2494842Also they posted their nasty ass hand. The low digit ratio + disgusting nails suggest to me this so called lesbian is a male.
No. 2494852
>>2494831My ex and his friend group were classic city liberals but not terminally online. The types who would still buy and play Hogwarts Legacy without much of a second thought of what that may imply. I had to explain what a
terf was to my ex to give an idea of what I mean for how relatively sheltered these people were. My impression was that they view troons as just the new gays. People who have no choice in the lot they were given in life and are being actively discriminated against because they don’t neatly conform to society’s expectations. I don’t believe any of these people actually knew a troon or if they did it was a very surface level relationship. The few times it did come up they were under the mistaken belief that no man would take advantage of things like self-ID laws to gain access to women’s spaces or that all reports of this were fabricated. When I corrected them they were genuinely surprised and expressed how it was wrong, but seemed to believe these were just a few bad apples and not indicative of the movement as a whole. This happened about a year or so ago so fairly recent? They were more receptive to me saying shit about trannies than other beliefs I held like
how OnlyFans was exploitative and should not be lauded as a sign of female empowerment.
I genuinely believe that if more people learn about trans rights and what that really means, the more people will be against them. To some degree I wonder if we’re not seeing that now.
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I know I might sounds too much but I genuinely want all these people and trannies dead, fuck all of them and their misogyny.
No. 2495069
>>2495026Nah it depends tbh, Sawyer is a syndrome where a XY individual is born with non-functioning testes and this usually occurs because their SRY gene (the one in charge of
triggering male puberty) is mutated so even in cases where the testes are left alone they undergo faulty/abnormal female development.
No. 2495098
>>2494619NAYRT. I think she meant straight men who engage in homosexual behaviour. They are not attracted to men, but get fucked by men to satisfy their AGP of humiliation fetish.
>>2494915A men telling women what feminism is supposed to be? Jokes write themselves.
No. 2495203
>>2494915I want mansplaining to be a criminal offense.
They can talk about feminism for scrotes when we enact genderbent sharia law on them for a few thousand years. Ban moids from having any semblance of human rights and if they leave the house without their required garbage bag their mothers will stone them to death.
No. 2495231
>>2494915refusing to define the root word of what you are marching for is outright insanity.
like imagine the street interview that results from this type of person:
>'why are you marching? who or what are you supporting?' >'i can't define that haha i'm just here for like. vibes.'bet this old man jerks it to tranny porn and he just showed up to see if he can pick up a twink in a skirt to suck his dick in a public bathroom.
No. 2495267
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>one day we will bow at tranny's feet
Like this retard handmaiden isn't already doing just that. I'm so sick of this nonsense. Trannies aren't "evolved" or even living as their "authentic" selves. They're living a lie rooted in misogyny and homophobia which are fundamentally regressive.
No. 2495292
>>2495267No way she isnt mocking them lmfao
If they are so “wildly evolved” and intelligent, why do they flip out when people remind them of their actual gender?
No. 2495305
>>2494219>We're less than %1 of the population!!!!!!>Thousands of trannies show up to piss on a suffragette's statueI know there's plenty of handmaidens there too, including tifs, but lets be real the amount of cheap wigs and bald heads speak for themselves: most of these are moids.
>>2494819That's nice, I guess. I mean, they've noticed it's been happening for years and haven't done anything thus far except for this post, and I imagine they'll go right back to jerking it to gay porn and make no further accomodations towards lesbians who were stripped of all lesbian-only spaces on reddit by lesbophobic bisexual moids. Considering it's gay mens responsibility, and that they're consistently some of the biggest (male) tranny supporters despite hating TIFs in their own spaces, they should be doing way more against reddit censorship. Maybe get some of the hundreds of troon mods kicked out of lesbian subs and moderate it themselves to keep all the XYs out of lesbian spaces.
No. 2495310
>>2495305If only people, especially women cared this much to march for women's rights..
I seriously do not understand how women can fight so hard for men when they would never in a million years do the same for women. This is exhausting.
No. 2495319
>>2495209Technically, I think only intersex cases categorized as male involve internal testes, though for social purposes the kids are typically raised female because they are born with vaginas and vulvas. If what you're describing is true, your friend's child could have something like 5α-Reductase 2 deficiency, CAIS, or PMDS, which all involve the external appearance of a vulva and vagina, but XY chromosomes and cryptorchidism. This would make the child male for medical purposes. But I'm of the opinion that intersex cases are unique, and that being born with a vagina is sufficient grounds to "identify" as a woman, though the male physiology would be taken into account in relevant contexts like sports. These people dealing with congenital defects should not be viewed the same way we view fully male people who decide that they have ladysouls and start taking HRT. It's not their fault trannies colonized their movement and appropriated their language.
Then you have cases involving what are called ovotestis. This is a super rare DSD where an ovary contains some testicular tissue, or vice-versa, typically rendering the organ useless. Out of over 500 people with this condition, 10 have given birth, and only one fathered a child.
No. 2495323
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>>2495293>>2495292Nonnie, I wish you were right, but here's a follow up she posted that makes me think it's 100% sincere. Some trannies got mad at the first vid because she was putting pressure on them kek. Her handle is @amber.eros and she's a woo-woo sex coach. Maybe I'm just autistic but it doesn't strike me as ragebait unfortunately.
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"Please donate to this org because men having a fetish means that all women are in danger in England"
No. 2495416
>>2495323>living in authenticitylmfaooo
this entire movement is full of shit
No. 2495432
>>2495323the way she speaks is genuinely unnerving.
its all so full of bullshit, i dont know how she can say these things without laughing
the way she pronounces “dddseserving” and “wwworthy” reminds me of how overpaid psychologists talk. its so ego-stroking. and then it makes me wonder—what is she getting out of this? i could see a tranny coping this hard, but she isnt even a transtrender, what is she getting out of carrying limp tranny dick?
No. 2495458
>>2495267What causes women to spew shit like this? What do they get out of sucking troon dick in public like this?
I'd think it's satire if it weren't for the average handmaiden sounding exactly like this kek
No. 2495461
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In alison bechdel's dykes to watch out for, there is a very eerily familiar trans story line, there's this boy called jonas who is the son of lesbian feminist jasmine, he decides he's a girl when he's 8 years old and his mother think it's a phase but never corrects him, but she's presented as a bigot for even this and one of her occasional flings, a dragking named lois actually encourages him to identify as a girl, some time later when jonas is 10, lois takes this "trans child" to to protest michfest.
this is a fictional comic, but alison bechdel based the characters on many of her friends and acquaintances. It also comes from the late 90s and 2000s, yet it is very much set in the same liberal academic and media circles that alison was a part off, so the foundation for troonism already existed
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>>2495461From what I had seen, alison bechdel seemed like the epitome of everything trannies would hate. Unapologetically lesbian, masculine, and very outspoken about loving pussy and wanting more lesbian (especially butch4butch) representation. I'm sure supporting trans rights meant something different back then considering most were assumed to be harmless hsts, I wonder if she regrets having supported them seeing what the movement has become nowadays, especially for lesbians. But your picrel is making me doubt that… so her OCs are just a woke straight couple?
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Can women sue on the basis of infringing sex based rights?
No. 2495646
>>2495615nayrt but they weren't saying they weren't OCs, "not
just OCs" <> "not OCs".
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>>2495451this. its so creepy watching them so desperately try to get you to like them when you
know what they really are inside. liars. pretenders. skinwalkers.
imo nothing really matches the uncanny vally of trannies. you see long hair and want to think its a woman at first glance, but then you see the unmistakebly male features when you look closer. most of them dont even look like ugly looking women at best, just a deranged man wearing a wig, but they still claim “trans women are stunning and brave women!!”
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>>2495451Stonetoss did one good comic, and it's just what women already know.
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>>2495691>>2495695Why are troons obsessed with editing stonetoss comics to make it “woke friendly”? I mean I guess its fitting, all trannies do is leech off of other peoples stuff
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>>2495702i was in the same situation you were in nona, here you go, this writing is phenomenal and perfectly sums it up
No. 2495723
>>2495710KEK ty, I might print and frame it this time
>>2495711I was overexposed to troon after peaking a few years ago and don't check on them much anymore, so am probably missing it when anons are posting and wasn't sure how to ask for it/didn't realize it was this popular today. Troonery makes me feel gross and normies don't like it now so I don't have to be outraged by their degenerate/escalating antics anymore, until they rise up again
No. 2495727
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>Transgender kid
>Parent saying “you are fine the way you are” despite the kid literally trying to be something theyre not
How could you see an obvious and clear message, and instead of waking up and accepting reality, you choose to change the entire meaning as an “own”? Its just showing how triggered it made you that you felt the need to butcher it in a way that doesnt hurt your fee fees. And the “remade” tranny version doesnt even make sense either
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>>2495727samefag, and the absolute cope they go through to justify it. imagine if someone said “people who hate pedophiles/rapists have a fetish!” these people have no grip on reality and it’s absolutely sad how they are treated as normal people
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Not wasting space screenshotting the full story bc it’s probably fake, you can find it on Reddit if you want. More troubling to me is how everyone is calling OP amazing and giving tips instead of asking how the fuck a 13 year old is doing DIY HRT
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No. 2495853
>>2495842i would put money on this being someone pretending to be a 13 year old in order to disseminate information to 'eggs' as part of their fetish fuel.
but if i'm wrong, then that is - i'd say appalling but it's just another example of troons claiming something never happens and if it did that'd be !!horrified!! but then when they actually encounter someone claiming to have done it in their version of reality (online spaces) they whole-heartedly embrace it.
No. 2495960
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Don't like republicans but this video made me kek. The way he deepens his voice when she calls him a tranny. Seeing a woman call a tranny a tranny infront of his face is so satisfying
No. 2495968
>>2495960KEK he turned on his man voice to try to scare her and she didn't flinch kek.
Wish she wasn't a conservatard, the left needs women like her.
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>>2495772There's a revealing chimpout going on in the notes here. A few TiFs make the very sensible observation that unsolicited "egg" accusations is creepy and harms the community's public image. Even though the TiFs did a bunch of hedging and put it diplomatically, TiMs still flipped the fuck out about it, because they cannot take even the tiniest bit of criticism and have to quadruple down on defending every retarded thing the worst people in their community do. Reminds me a lot of furries, tbh. This is why their movement is crashing and burning, they can't capitulate to even the most sane, reasonable requests, even when it's in their best interest. They want to run around being creepy, coercive perverts with complete impunity, and anything less than that is fascism. This egomaniacal, absolutist culture is why they felt they could push for patently insane things like males in women's sports, male rapists in women's prisons, and medically transitioning middle schoolers: they surround themselves with yes-men who agree with anything they say, and shout down even the most tepid critics, creating a situation where they are totally removed from reality.
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>>2495518she talked about loving pussy because that was okay, no one would ever question a lesbian talking about pussy or imply it's transphobic. like i don't think talking about being same sex attracted was vilified by trans people as much back then if at all.
picrel, another comic of hers. it has some common TRA talking points but idk. it feels more casual? less aggressive? like the dude is just joking when he says he's a butch lesbian trapped in a male body and the actual lesbian is rolling her eyes and makes a snarky comment about it, the 'bi lesbian' going on a rant about identity and everyone just kind of ignoring her. using a trans persons dead name. a main character having a very terfy take about how transitioning is conforming to gender roles, but she isn't vilified for it. like i feel if a twitter dyke posted these comics online today, she would be seen as a
problematic terf. especially with the main character clearly having
terf opinions and no one jumping in to correct her wrongthink.
i honestly don't know much about her or her comics besides a few i've seen online, but i'd guess she's just as much of a TRA as the rest of them, but the culture around trans people and the overall gay community has changed so much with the internet becoming mainstream. i am curious on her take on bi lesbians in the rest of her comics though, since this one strip is often used as an excuse as to why bi lesbians are totally
valid, but i know the character settles on just being bisexual later. i may comb through them to see although ig that's not really related to this thread.
>>2495960reminds me of the tantrum nikita dragun took when he got arrested. they're so ready to act like men when it benefits them (when they wanna try and intimidate women).
No. 2496135
How do you call a male version of handmaiden?
No. 2496146
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>>2496135everything about this is just painful
No. 2496328
>>2496021>1999 comic>"Bi lesbian" retardation >obsession with nonsensical contradicting labels>"Butch dyke" transitioning to "trans faggot"So they were always retarded, huh. I guess gendies really were here all along. My apologies, their autismo really does precede 2013 tumblr and "kweers" weren't actually any less retarded before the internet became mainstream.
I don't see this comic as
problematic or terfy at all, it's unabashed and unapologetic gender ideology in every aspect. All it's missing from being your average current day gendie tumblr comic is vomit inducing colors and more fat ugly racially diverse people.
No. 2496358
>>2496196A concerning number of lefties I know openly look down on people who are truly affected by these economic issues because as far as they’re concerned, working class people are probably right wing bigots anyway. All of these lefties LARP as poor, “eat the rich” etc. but in real life they’re financially comfortable and/or have parents who can bail them out. For all their virtue signalling they feel no true solidarity with the lower classes who they see as ignorant, stupid and trashy. It’s no surprise that they’re more concerned with bougie trans navel gazing than actual financial policy and economic struggles.
The only left wing party in my country who didn’t make trans acceptance a core part of their platform are the socialists. They’re a tiny and not very influential party, but I’m glad they’re there as a representation of leftists who still care about the working class. I’m not sure how countries with a two-party system where it’s either Party Funded By Big Oil or Party Funded By Big Pharma are going to dig their way out of this bullshit, but there will probably need to be some kind of major schism.
>>2496345NAMBLA would’ve marched with the LGBT during Pride decades ago if it weren’t for lesbians putting their foot down. This shit has been brewing since before most of us were born.
No. 2496371
>>2496350Same anon, I went to university around the same time as you (a little earlier) and although I was in STEM, I encountered people like this in my humanities electives a lot as well as on student government in particular. However, 2011 was already the beginning of the modern TRA movement so I think it's surprising to see comics from the 1990s where this stuff was already depicted, but of course it had to start somewhere and was probably brewing for decades before it became actually mainstream.
>>2496358NTA but I noticed the same when I hung out in far-left queer activism circles a decade+ ago. There was the occasional actually poor/working class young person in those circles and they all got essentially shamed and abused by the majority, who were all basically trust fund kids or at least people from upper middle class families who had their backs while they acted like champagne socialists. Even back in 2016 I was trying to explain to my friends that the best way to prevent MAGA sentiment would be for leftist politicians to actually listen to the working class hicks they saw as dirt under their shoe but they were too busy punching down on the working poor to actually listen and then acted shocked when those people started hating them even more. I think there's nothing that incites rage in working class people more than rich people larping as part of their group while condescending to them about how they 'vote against their own interests,' even if it's true to some degree. Most modern 'leftism' in the West (except for some remnants of actual socialist movements like you mentioned, which usually skew a lot older) props itself up on virtue signalling about minorities they themselves don't really have to deal with which is exactly what caused the modern TRA movement - a lot of Democrat voters in the US for example don't actually support troon males in women's spaces but they're shouted down by the people living off mommy and daddy's money who can afford to not work, go to protests, and make activism their whole identity so that becomes the public face of the party essentially even if it's ignoring the will of most of the regular voters. It serves the big corporations just fine to divide and conquer anyone left-leaning (or just anyone concerned with the plight of the poor in general) so that is what they've gone ahead and done with the massive corporate push for trans rights and other niche causes. It's also a lot harder to fix economic issues than to throw TRAs or whoever a bone which is legislatively extremely easy in comparison.
>NAMBLA would’ve marched with the LGBT during Pride decades agoWell, to be more accurate, they DID march with Pride decades ago, until lesbians put their foot down. It's just pretty surprising that no one has actually bothered excising them from the movement fully and instead pedo rights is enjoying a resurgence in modern 'queer' politics.
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>>2496457Bruce Bechdel was arrested for statutory rape and providing alcohol to minors, though I don't recall whether he was charged. He accidentally put a picture from his CP stash in an envelope of family photos, and instead of being horrified like a normal human being, Bechdel waxes poetic about it. People who have been abused, especially women, tend to do this: make excuses for their abusers, downplay their crimes, and project their own emotions onto them. She thinks she has some deep connection with this guy, but he was clearly a manipulative sociopath and not fully ensouled. She's delusional; she likes the idea of having a dad, so she makes the shitty one she had out to be some kind of misunderstood soul instead of the worthless
abusive rapist he was. He did the world a favor by killing himself, it's just a shame he didn't do it sooner.
No. 2496488
>>2496457nta, but Fun Home is her memoir about her life and the death of her father (which may have been suicide or a car accident). After he died, they discovered his collection of gay porn and shirtless photos of his teenage students. She doesn't go into this more than a few lines. The entire book is her psychoanalysis of her relationship with her father, who raped boys and cheated on her mother. She tries to make him more nuanced than he really was
>>2496483but she wasn't abused, literally the worst thing that happened to her personally, were having distant parents
No. 2496496
>>2496457>>2496488>So here is the story of Fun Home, memoir and musical, in a nutshell: The protagonist of the play, Alison, grew up in a town in rural Pennsylvania, in a dysfunctional, middle-class family filled with secrets. The biggest secret was that the father was a stalker and sexual abuser of children. He was also a closeted gay man and an adulterer. But the serial, pedophilic predation is—or should be—the most significant of the secrets.>In the musical, three actresses portray the different incarnations of the protagonist at different ages in her life. “Small Alison” is a little girl, “Medium Alison” is a budding lesbian in her first year of college, and “Alison” is an adult cartoonist in mid-career, in the act of creating the memoir that is the basis of the play. The plot turns around all the Alisons’ relationship to the father.>In the musical, the child sexual abuse is obliquely alluded to, but only presented factually in one line of a song sung by the mother. The song is a lament about her husband’s adultery and the line is, “some of them underage.” That’s it. The pedophilic predation is presented as a footnote to the father’s infidelity and his homosexuality. It’s also presented as a victimless crime. The reactions of all the characters are consistent with those of a family who discovers a history of cheating by the patriarch. It’s a play about a cheater, not a criminal sexual predator. It’s about adultery, not child rape. No. 2496539
>>2496524>bisexuals have a preference Very true. I also like to add the fact that bisexuals aren’t the trash bags that accept anything and everything. Lesbians have it much harder for obvious reason, but trannies sort of assume that bisexuals are naturally attracted to them so much so that they crave validations from a “cis” lesbian rather than a cis bisexual woman, ask them why and you’ll watch them combust kek. I once had a tranny in my circle friend (He was the HSTS type though) who always shitted on bisexuals scrotes and praised the straight ones , so I once asked why when he would have had more success with a bisexual man, he got offended and said that it just didn’t feel the same kek.
Anyway I like functioning genitalia and I don’t want to walk on eggshells when I’m having sex with someone, trannies are annoying and ugly most of the time, at least the ones I have seen.
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>>2496328i don't see it as
problematic or terfy either, my point was gendie shit has become so far gone that i could see people getting mad about this if it came out now. the seeds were always there is just got so much more extreme. can you honestly image a main character in a popular qweer comic in 2025 saying she thinks medically transitioning is conforming to gender roles and stereotypes - implying the TIF is just a butch lesbian? like even a comic so clearly in support of troons was able to have characters critical of transitioning. i feel like now if you are anything but completely supportive of anything related to trans people you're painted as bigoted.
>>2496358>>2496461nta but while people often bring up pedo shit in a homophobic way - like to just lump us in with all other sexual deviants. but there is a concerning amount of pedo stuff associated with lgbt activism, picrel to what the other nonna was talking about. there were groups who protested the removal of NAMBLA from pride.
and more on the topic of this thread, the amount of TRAs who think it is okay for kids to transition, or even help them with DIY hormones. it's easy to groom gay or trans kids online because predators can position themselves as a safe and cool adult that understands them in a way their parents can't. a lot of TRA's advocate for cutting yourself off from your family if they don't 100% support their transition.
i feel like this kind of connects to the bi lesbian shit too. those sort of people always use the defense 'xyz has existed in the community since forever!' or 'trans people literally gave us our rights!' as a response to any criticism. By their own logic pedos were also always there and 'helping' us get rights. and there has also always been mean and exclusionary lesbians that want to keep shit in line. i know telling people to 'read up on lgbt' history is generally only said by people who only read social media posts but i do wish more people talked about actual gay history. it's important to talk about the good and the bad. but all we have online is parroted misinformation.
>>2496474so many people's brains are completely rotted by porn. everything is a kink or fetish. i recently saw someone refer to women who liked tall men as having a'size difference kink'.
No. 2496580
>>2496390>a terrible guy will be able to use his new tranny identity to abuse women as much as he likes without anyone being able to say anything without backslashWe all know the downsides, but, they're all single for a reason. If they're dating it's either A) a woman they trapped prior to trooning, or B) a fellow troon they're now gay with (just not in the lesbian way they want).
Women don't date troons. Gay men don't date troons (except for chasers, who troons don't like). Troons don't want to date fellow troons either. We all see the billions of posts of troons crying about not being able to find a partner, and in most of cases not even get laid or bare minimum go on date.
I genuinely think it's a hundred times harder for an
abusive guy to find a
victim (to trap in a relationship) if he troons out first. Like
>>2496398 said most people in public aren't actually woke. They can tell that's a crazy bloke in a dress. His dating pool is abysmally small now. And if he's on HRT he's likely massively killed his own sex drive and ability to procreate too. It's not ideal, but to have sex pests cut off their own dick on purpose is kinda a win in itself. A local troon who used to prey on teenage girls here recently had the dick-inversion surgery and it really feels like some kind of divine intervention caused him to do that. Though I also fear the backlash when these men peak and realized what they did, they're likely gonna go on killing sprees for revenge or some shit.
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>>2496538Idk, her "self awareness" comes across more as throat clearing, because in the larger scheme of thing she still seems inclined to downplay what he did and, like you said, continue to put him on a pedestal. It almost makes the self-awareness worse, like she's cognizant of how fucked up this guy is and she still feels weirdly enamored with her conception of him as this tragic genius. I particularly repulsed by her implication that she might have done the same thing (raped teenagers) if she had been born the same year. Are you shitting me? In a world where like 98% of sex crimes are committed by men? Give me a fucking break. If that's not making excuses for him, I don't know what is.
Kind of reminds me of picrel. Bojack thinks that being "self aware" makes him somehow "better" than other horrible people, but he doesn't actually do anything with this "awareness," he just carries on being horrible while fully knowing what he's doing is wrong. Is that not basically what Bechdel is doing, performatively hand-wringing about how what her dad did is bad only to go right back to glossing over his crimes?
No. 2496819
>>2496496I'd love for someone who was molested by their high school teacher to confront her stupid ass in public.
>Waaaah I have daddy issues so it's okay for me to pretend my dad was a poor beleaguered fag and gloss over that he groomed and rape his students waaahFor a lesbian, she sure is a fucking handmaid, isn't she. Not shocking that someone like this capes for troons.
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I knew this fucking day would come. Twitter has found Shuzo Oshimi's works and are now saying he's an egg that needs to be cracked. All of his manga have a female character who abuses or mistreats the protagonist in some way, it's clearly a fetish but nooo that's just "internalised transphobia". Even when he says a man inside a woman's body will still think like a man, meaning he will never be a woman, these retards care going "internalised transphobia".
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>>2496819I actually read her other autobiography first and it really made me a lot of respect for her.(before I knew she defended her pedo-dad) It's literally her psychoanalysis of the concept of physical fitness and its relationship to her politics and the us politics in general.
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I just now realized this meme template that keeps blowing up on xitter with new variations everyday is about skinwalking kek
No. 2496988
>>2496649I don't get why some men (particularly boomers who were victimized in this way) want to normalize it. There's nothing intrinsic about being homosexual that would make someone less likely to be attracted to people their own age. The phenomenon of adult gay men ""mentoring"" teenage gay boys was a product of a pre-gay rights, pre-internet age, where gay teenagers had little means of finding other gay teenagers and instead turned to out adults. Now that kids have the internet and can be out at school, there's no need for this creepy behavior to persist (not that there was much of a need in the first place). Everybody should be held to the same standard regardless of sexuality: adults belong with adults, and teenagers belong with teenagers. No one should ever date someone young enough to be their son/daughter.
It's absolutely possible to oppose both homophobia and inappropriate/illegal age differences. Homophobes' penchant for launching blanket accusations of pedophilia against gay people has made it very difficult to have a sensible conversation about unethical age gaps within the community. Wanting to prevent the sexual exploitation of gay kids/teenagers by gay adults is not conflating homosexuality with pedophilia, it's just common-sense safeguarding. I'm thankful every day for the lesbians who put their foot down about this over the years.
No. 2497000
>>2496814I guess you're right, I do still see her words and actions heavily clouded by grief. I've never experienced it myself, but I imagine it must be an extremely hard pill to swallow to find out your father who you looked up to was a horrible person
after he's gone. Most people choose to blindly cling to the good memories because it's too tough and ultimately unrewarding to keep mulling over his crimes, he's still dead whether he was a piece of shit or an angel. I think she struggles to think critically about it, but gendies track record of downplaying adult and minor relationships is really concerning, I don't think she should've made it a comic (and a stage play?) at all. It's like they'll excuse anyone and anything as long as they're gay or spicy straights. They can yell about how trans and gay people aren't a monolith and it's obvious some will be bad people, but every time they find a horrible criminal troon or gay moid, they still praise and defend them.
No. 2497009
>>2496830This is the one time troons are right, he probably is an "egg" (barf). At least japanese agps seem to have enough self awareness to know they'd make hideous women, and under Japan's brutal societal norms he'd be making everyone uncomfortable by showing up in a dress with his boner bulging while all his coworkers go
>aaaahhh…. eeeeetoo….. desuneeeee….while trying to guess what they should refer to him as. If there's anything japanese losers hate is "becoming a nuisance to others", and trooning out does exactly that.
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>She wants me dead
she wants you to stay away from women spaces, Andrew.
No. 2497150
>>2497115Tbh I think it's compounded in the fact that in her mother centric auto bio it's more or less revealed that she was never really that close to her mom and has tried wining her approval to seemingly no avail. I think that type of dynamic just made her want to handwave her dad's actions a bit. Tbh Bechdel's upbringing isn't terribly
abusive but it's sad and cold so it's no wonder she's a neurotic mess on the downlow
No. 2497316
>>2497088It's literal projection.
When a troon says "they want me/us dead" what they mean is that they themselves want that person/group dead. They're trying to justify their own feelings by pretending the target is just as bad as them.
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>gender transitioners can grift taxpayers for surgery and hormones and makeup and packers and binders and silicone tits and doc martens or whatever makes them feel like their true and honest self
>their reaction when rich heterosexual women do the same shit on their own dime
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Spoiler bc long. Look at this guy create his own branch of reality to cope with trans sex offender numbers. He really thinks changing your name should provide a clean slate, even to rapists and pedos. So if you commit crime "as a male" and then transition you aren't even a sex offender anymore!
No. 2497378
>>2497369
No. 2497452
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"Everyone is begging for my penis and they'll ruin my life if I don't fuck them! The only thing that can save me from 'comptop' is chemically castrating myself to induce erectile dysfunction!"
No. 2497609
>>2497452>>2497585Fakest, most tranfictiony post I've ever seen in my
life kek. That man definitely never has sex outside his imagination, but if there's even the slightest possibility the post is based on a true story, it's definitely what you imagine: the "women" begging for his cock are a commune of filthy unshowered ballsack-stinking polyam tankie trannies trying to cope with the fact that no one outside their gofundme dungeon of unwashed dishes and cumstained anime figurines wants to fuck them, so they act rapey as fuck and guilttrip the only troon with a functioning shenis into being the polycule's designated top. They probably have a discord GC where they accuse him of "witholding valuable resources, which is not very communist of you, Lilith" after they don't get their daily gender affirming anal.
No. 2497826
>>2497371The archive page was deleted but there’s no way it’s only 3.25%. Troons love cherry picking.
>>2497378This is insane level of projection. The “desire for womanhood” that he’s talking about is clearly an AGP fetish. They reference AGP symptoms all the time and yet still deny they have it.
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After the UK supreme court ruling this month I'm seriously considering coming out of the crypto closet. No big stupid announcement or anything, just that I stop hiding my likes/follows and maybe start reposting some vaguely radfem stuff. Is this a truly good idea anons or am I getting ahead of myself?
No. 2498329
>>2494059I know the post would immediately be deleted and the account banned but I would pay to see people's reactions. This is too good. I can already imagine all the troons foaming at the mouth
>>2498268The main concern here imo is losing friends over this. I've learned to never express my views to maintain a social life, but hopefully you have like minded friends & family
No. 2498368
>>2498329Most of my online friends have stopped talking to me regularly because
of my BPD and anorexia so at this point I feel like I have little to lose tbh. And the irl "friends" I have are mostly moids I chatted to on dating apps months ago. My boomer mum supports the supreme court ruling which is nice though, she doesn't have anything against troons but also doesn't support self ID which seems to be the way a lot of normies feel
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>>2498337Troons are mad because their partners want mutually pleasurable sex where both parties are active participants. Women should be blowing and pegging them with no reciprocation, and it's oppression that they're not doing that.
No. 2498500
>>2498368If you feel you have nothing to lose go for it. Just be careful with how public your statements are on social media because it could affect job prospects etc. but personally I am in favor of being honest and speaking out, it's very freeing.
>>2498396I have no words. This is all so extremely, stereotypically male.
No. 2498504
>>2498501You probably shouldn't feel guilty over your beliefs when you were a child. I can't really answer this question because I was never fully a handmaiden, I was semi-ish on board with TRA talking points but I was always basically the odd one out in these groups who would still question them and get told to 'educate myself' because gendie logic never actually made sense to me but I did try to be supportive and 'understand' them for several years. I feel kind of guilty over that but mostly I just feel stupid over it because I really should have known better, I have never even been a woman who displays average levels of female socialization so I mostly just find it embarrassing how hard I tried to understand and accommodate these people even when their talking points didn't sit right with me and they were always attacking me for questioning them mildly. Realistically if you have ever been on the left or moved in leftist circles you probably had a handmaiden phase to some degree and pretty much the only women who didn't were born into conservative families and stayed conservative, which also sucks in a different way. I've met exactly nobody who just was 'born a
TERF' while being raised in a leftist family or while being a leftist in their teens because genderism is like an actual religion for the modern left so I wouldn't feel too guilty about a handmaiden phase in your childhood or early 20s if you eventually snapped out of it. Unless you were actually harming and attacking questioning women around you, then I'd probably feel a little bit guilty but I never participated in any pile-ons and was the first woman in my social group to even question genderism. I mostly feel bad toward my mom because she clocked this shit early on and I was trying to academiaspeak condescend to her about how 'gender and sex are different mom' and 'uhh I think they say being a woman is when you feel like you are a woman' while she was calling me retarded but I have since apologized profusely to her (and my dad still acts like a TRA so she's more mad at him than me).
No. 2498676
>>2498501I don’t feel guilty but I do cringe when I think about my handmaiden phase because I was an annoying contrarian teenager who thought I was more enlightened than everyone else. To my credit it only lasted a few months and I never attacked anyone over it. This was when it was still a very niche tumblr thing and there was little to no institutional power behind it, when most people had never heard of trannies and they themselves still made a clear distinction between troons and fetishistic transvestites. To me, telling people “did u know some women are born with penises” was an interesting biological ‘fact’ in the same vein as “did u know some sharks are warm blooded [technically heterothermic] and give live birth” and made me feel smarter and more knowledgeable than the adults around me. Ironically the same contrarianism that made trans ideology interesting to me as a child also helped me realise it was bullshit as soon as I developed a bit of critical thinking. Some sharks really can raise their body temperature higher than the environmental temperature, but no part of a man who inverts his dick actually becomes female. He’s just a man with an inverted dick now. Then I found out most of them never invert their dick or even have genital dysphoria and I fully peaked. So no, I don’t feel guilty. Just embarrassed at what a little snot I was.
>>2498586The only one I’m aware of is Ethel Cain who clearly fetishises a specific kind of Catholic girl with religious trauma.
No. 2498678
>>2498501My handmaiden phase was just reblogging generic "you are
valid" posts on Tumblr and being polite to trannies when I met them, so I don't feel guilty, but I do get quite embarrassed about the stupid shit I used to say when I argued with family members about politics kek
No. 2498776
>>2498712Exactly, you see this all the time with shit like
>>2495707Only simpletons who never studied biology past high school still believe there are two sexes! Those of us who are enlightened and highly educated know that sex is a spectrum and there are infinity genders! Of course these people have rarely actually studied advanced biology, they just parrot other people who they assume to be highly educated because they think it makes them look smart too.
I have a Masters in molecular biology and have never met anyone in my field who believes sex is mutable or a spectrum, only people who play along with transgenderism to be nice (and not lose their job) and/or because they don’t think women matter. They tend to stick to the claims that “gender is different from sex” and “no one thinks that TIP literally change sex” and stick their fingers in their ears when I prove otherwise.
Appealing to this desire for intellectual superiority is how a lot of cults attract members, incidentally.
No. 2498789
>>2498754Most women don't orgasm from PIV to be sure but it still feels more mutual and less degrading/porny than giving some troon a blowjob or pegging him. I think most women would choose a semi-pleasurable and seemingly mutual sexual act to an explicitly degrading one from porn.
>>2498776The 'Professor' in this video
>>2498536 is a perfect example of this mindset, and he's trying to spread it to other people since he has a "science education" channel. He doesn't have any background in biology but he feels smug about how amazingly complex and not-graspable-by-children the definition of "woman" is, and waxes poetic in his long ass video (where he never defines woman the whole time) about how gender is actually very advanced neuroendocrinology normies can't grasp. Then the types of naive normies/children that watch (or are otherwise exposed to) this type of "educational content" from "professors" think they're sticking it to their stupid hick parents or whoever by parroting the same iamverysmart level bullshit and tbh, I don't entirely blame the kids/very young people who do this since it's kind of a natural part of youth to want to feel like you know special new information other people don't, especially if you're going to the trouble of getting a fancy college education which is where a lot of people learn these ideas.
I got my bachelors in biology and in one of my advanced classes (way back in the early 2010s) I had a neuroendocrinology prof who is actually very well-respected but he was awkwardly parroting this sex/gender/brain/hormones feels stuff himself back then in his lectures which is one of the things that made me feel like it was legitimate back then. I didn't really fully grasp what he was saying back then (now looking back it's because it didn't make sense and I think he knew it didn't really make sense either which is why he struggled to explain it, but at the time I assumed it was because I was too much of a simpleton to get it) but I still went forth and thought if I kept thinking really hard about it and learning about it the internal logic would eventually reveal itself. I snapped out of it by the time I started grad school but many of the people in my PhD classes were still parroting this kind of shit in their presentations for classes and you had to be really delicate about calling them out because everyone's brains just break if you point out to them simply that they are acting more retarded about biological sex distinctions than your average 8 year old. To be fair though the students who believed in the sex/gender distinction stuff (and the neuroendocrinology prof) didn't actually believe there were more than two sexes, but they did believe in the weird gender brain wrong body hormones somethingsomething woowoo. I still remember the most embarrassing moment in one of my PhD level classes was that we were supposed to be discussing a thought exercise about those situations where tumors make people violent and everyone in my group was like "there's no known genetic components that are correlated with increased violence!" When I said "of course there are, the Y chromosome" they all looked at me like I had 2 heads, they didn't even grasp what I was saying. Obviously they knew what a Y chromosome was but something wasn't connecting. I still think about that to this day and wonder what went wrong in their education.
>“no one thinks that TIP literally change sex” Exactly what the "science educator/prof" in the video says, it's like they think if they wish away TRA rhetoric hard enough TRAs will eventually fall in line and stop embarrassing them.
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>>2498774like i agree that she has disturbingly chill attitude towards her father's pedo shit but i just don't get where this "alison bechdel glorifies her father" thing comes from when he is obviously presented also as an angry controlling man who's wants and needs run the whole family.
her relationship with her dad is obviously fucked up (right from the whole suicide thing, she doesn't even know if his death was an accident or on purpose, but it's like she has decided his death being a suicide serves some greater narrative in her life than he just dying by accident like you could go on about that alone and what that reveals about her etc on top of brushing off how her father abused minor boys like she is obviously caught up on some narrative about her own life and gayness etc) but still it it's very much revealed in the song lyrics of the musical and text in the original book that she did view/views her father as something more than just tragic gay figure who did nothing wrong
>welcome to our house on maple avenue lyrics>he wants he wants he wants repeated over and over again>a volume out of place could start a third world war>when he comes down here, what's in store>he wants he wants he wants>right foot is tapping that means he's stewing>stay very still and maybe we'll please him
>pic related, he actually attacked his children physically so acting like he was just nothing but a distant father is silly No. 2498817
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Delulu. Lets just ignore the fact that the Australian national women's soccer team got soundly defeated by high school boys & the all pooner team got trounced by some fat plumbers.
Women aren't fucking 'ghettoised' into their own caragory you self hating retard.
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>>2498902>(it says agp vs hsts)That was just the title of the thread. That's a real woman pictured on the right and the tranny is Charles "Charlotte" Clymer at the 2019 New Agenda National Girlfriend Networking (NGN) Day event. picrel is him next to some other women at the same event
No. 2498973
>>2498817This is so insanely offensive to women and also offensive to the intelligence of whoever is reading it. I was kind of with him (her?) about the NASCAR thing being crazy but then he (she?) had to go on and suggest that women would naturally be better at soccer. And hockey. The hatred I have for these people (as someone that used to be very athletic and participate in a lot of sports, some competitively) is immense.
>>2498902No anon it's a woman and a troon.
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>>2498977Before anyone forgets, Charles Clymer was invited to Biden's White House roundtable on Lesbian Visibility Day (along with Rachel Levine) and there's photos of him next to KJP (picrel), even juxtaposing him with a chubby lesbian he looks 10000x more masculine. Also I don't know what made him famous enough to get invited to meet with top political figures for the lesbian visibility day round table but I'm not sure if I want to know.
Deleted to clarify that I'm not at all suggesting I would expect this hulking moid to look feminine next to a middle aged lesbian, but I constantly hear troons saying that people won't be able to tell them apart from older women or 'butch lesbians' or black women or whatever and the two giant hulking moids flanking a woman who is often called GNC should disprove that idea instantly. She looks positively tiny and dainty next to them.
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>>2498995Clymer used to be a prominent 'male feminist' before trooning out and was ousted from the 'feminist community' at some point for being verbally
abusive and threatening toward random women kek. Then he trooned out and got feminist privileges again. Picrel is a salon article from 2014
https://www.salon.com/2014/12/02/fast_company_promotes_live_chat_with_creepy_male_feminist/ No. 2499017
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>>2499005Samefag but one last post about him because he is such a perfect encapsulation of everything male troon 'feminism' is all about and somehow managed to come out of this smelling like roses just because he trooned out (source:
https://www.parentwin.com/2013/05/clyming-walls-of-feminism-critical-look.html)
>Kay apologized for voicing her opinion in a way both Clymer and his mod team found offensive at the time. "Basically, she was saying I'm sorry you took offense to what I said," says Clymer. "It was a false apology, and it really angered me because not only was she disrespecting me, she was now disrespecting the moderators."> Here's a good question: what the fuck have you done for women's rights, lately, other than troll the page I created? "I absolutely love your page…" That's how your comment began that started all this, and you know what? You should have just stopped typing right then.>During our interview, Charles said, "To say that men can't be feminist leaders is eliminating half our potential talent in this movement but also losing an opportunity to attract more men into the fight for women's rights. Sadly, many men need to see other men in feminism to feel comfortable. But more than that, I think I do a pretty good job of standing with women, not in front of them. I am eager to hand them the microphone."> His critics say he is taking the feminist movement and making it about him. And some are more adamant about it than others. Raeven Zayas says, "He's using the oppression of women to gratify his ego." >Perhaps best known for his "I need feminism because…" photo series, Charles also uses his male privilege to highlight the pervasive nature of rape culture in a way a woman really couldn't get across. When one flips a movement on its head, one can often reach ears that would have otherwise have been deaf to the cause.I tried to click through the link to his photo series but I couldn't find it.
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An informational poster on the wall of the music school of my local university kek. They called like 8 emergency meetings and spent tens of thousands of dollars on DEI consultants and trainings to remedy the horrible indignity of some geriatric trombonist prof saying
>hey guys
in a rehearsal and yes it was an enby who reported him
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>>2494997This stems back to the 60's and the rise of the counterculture movement. This book explains it very well, but tl;dr middle-class, college-educated scrotes and women wanted to feel speshul and rebellious. So boomers attending this shit think they're fighting against "the man", "the system", etc. (Also, fun fact, that book mentions one of the counterculture hippies being a pedophile. Coincidence?)
No. 2499226
>>2499217Nonna the TIM that made this sign is neither sane nor a woman which explains the discrepancy I think.
>>2499222I know a woman like this personally, the mom of my ex-druggie friend who I got to know really well because I ended up babysitting her druggie daughter (went to college with her) so much they invited me to their home for holidays like thanksgiving multiple times. Literally some upper middle class boomer lady with an extremely boring background/career who was a flower child type when she was young, has three adult children none of whom are trans identified, but ever since the first Trump election her entire identity seems to revolve around going to pro-troon protests and being part of some weird 'mom hugs for queer kids' group where like 70% of the moms are actually childless AGP moids.
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I am an anon that was going through the throes of peaking from some gendie who came into tif thread a while back. Is there a list of gc reading somewhere or anything that nonnies can recommend? It’s been rough waking up from gender nonsense and I just feel so angry all the time.
No. 2499302
>>2499230Why yes it is exactly how it worked during the Cultural Revolution and it is no coincidence that TRA cultism originated in the same thought lineages as 'cultural marxism' (yes I know many people here won't like that term but you all know what it refers to surely, the offshoot of communist/marxist thought that is based on cultural microidentities rather than economic class). I'm the descendant of people who lived in a Soviet controlled communist state and my family saw this coming a mile away because it is the exact same playbook they were used to from when they were younger.
>Plus, kids are great at snitching.Even if they don't snitch kids are influential and wear away at their parents' beliefs and behaviors. They may not sell their parents up the creek for social clout but even if they don't, they're probably coming home every day pouting and telling their parents they're bigoted until the parents start to capitulate. Kids are great 'hearts and minds' weapons because there's basically nothing parents care about more than their kids in most cases, so if you can convince parents their kids will Literally Die And Kill Themselves And Be Hate Crimed if you don't support and affirm them, most parents will cave and then come up with post-hoc rationalizations to convince themselves it's actually the reasonable thing to believe.
>>2499235I highly doubt she will renounce her idiocy either anon, but I was initially baffled at her becoming that type of person because she was just such a normie suburban mom, and as soon as her kids left the nest it's 24/7 troon activism like she's a 16 year old while her kids are actually fairly normal seeming by comparison. Very strange. Yes the kids all appear to be liberal too but not the 'going out every weekend to TRA protests' kind of liberal.
No. 2499328
>>2499296There are probably actual lists somewhere but for classic reading most people will recommend Dworkin, I personally prefer some of the writing of Catherine MacKinnon in style, and from those you can probably look into many of the other people they cited. The Transsexual Empire by Janice Raymond is oft-cited and if you want the more 'scientific' perspective Michael Bailey did a lot of the OG writings on the HSTS/AGP categorization, GAMPs, etc. that will help you understand (male) troon psychology. This might be an unpopular view because it's not a feminist source but if you want to understand the origins of trans ideology a lot of James Lindsay's podcasts (basically him monologuing and reading huge excerpts of vintage critical theory papers) are extremely informative, if dry. He definitely tracks down the receipts with unmatched autism.
For more modern/news-based/current events type reading there is Reduxx and Feminist Current, and there are also more contemporary GC thinkers who write more philosophical GC articles from the contemporary POV like Julie Bindel, Kathleen Stock, etc. although some people think they're kind of lolcows. Arguably any really devoted radfem thinker will have some cow-ish tendencies because it takes a certain kind of autism to be so devoted to such an unpopular cause but I find a lot of what they say pretty interesting and helpful and it's not as long/involved as like a Dworkin book. Magdalene Berns videos are up on youtube and other video hosting sites still and those are quick but cutting, there's also the Skirt Go Spinny oddyssee channel and the Genspect youtube channel that have longer videos touching on various aspects of the gendie craze. I will probably get dragged for this but for some levity the Matt Walsh what is a woman documentary is actually really funny imo, I know he's a conservative but he doesn't say much in the movie and it's mostly just him letting gender theorists skewer themselves on camera. Also Ophelia Benson used to write some good articles from the biological perspective, not sure if she's still actively doing that though. It kind of depends what kind of sources you specifically want because the old radfem sources like Dworkin and MacKinnon are not really explicitly focused on troons or modern gender ideology, they're just more focused on radfem/second wave feminist thought whereas some other sources will be almost completely focused on troons but maybe not as feminist in perspective etc.
No. 2499374
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>>2499328>>2499330>>2499338Amazing! Thank you so much! It’s been a painful process but getting good sources like this really helps with navigating my emotions and how fucking hard female socialization has affected me.
No. 2499400
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>>2498977Pls dont ban me but…
(Ai outside of containment) No. 2499403
>>2499379TBH I think it was a straw that broke the camel’s back situation when some kid went off in the tif thread. There was a build up of shit not making sense for a long time but I dismissed my own feelings since I wanted to be “good” and “compassionate”. I had heard of weird shit that troons were up to but figured it was a fringe thing. However seeing mild retardation in real time for whatever reason was just enough to push me over the edge.
A lot of my anger is to myself, why couldn’t I see it sooner? Why am I so nice to shit that hurts me? Why is my default response to smooth things over for easier social interactions when it is harmful? Then the anger was at the hypocrisy of it all, how so much of main stream feminism is just patriarchy repackaged but everyone pretends it’s not. It disgusts me, I left online spaces to only be bombarded by it in real life too. Luckily my parents are liberals who haven’t fallen for it, so I can talk to them more about it.
No. 2499405
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>>2499381I'm one of the other anons that responded and I second Helen Joyce, I forgot to mention her but she is very levelheaded and likeable.
I also should have mentioned Holly Lawford-Smith, who I tend to like (she explains philosophical concepts straightforwardly and in what I would consider a 'friendly,' not-too-academic manner) and who has a very well laid-out and informative website with plenty of articles here:
https://hollylawford-smith.org/She also has a bibliography/reading list of peer reviewed articles here:
https://hollylawford-smith.org/gc-f-bibliography/Some good articles from her imo:
https://quillette.com/2023/09/15/sex-discrimination-without-sex/https://fairerdisputations.org/rehabilitating-biological-essentialism/I don't love a lot of radfem writings as much as I otherwise would because they make essentially social constructivist arguments about behavior I don't really agree with, but I think Lawford Smith in particular at least does a very good job of making her reasoning extremely clear which is something we really need more of in these debates.
No. 2499417
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No. 2499419
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>>2498995He reminds me of kmfdm cover art
No. 2499481
>>2499403nta but i have some thoughts on weird shit troons do being a fringe part of the community.
because maybe this is controversial but there are 'good' ones. a lot of them aren't sexpests, a lot of them have identity and body issues and not a fetish, a lot of them are feminine gay men and masculine lesbians being told that not conforming to the stereotypes of their birth sex means they aren't actually a man/woman. and I think it is really important to acknowledge this to get others to peak.
it's easy to brush terfs off and think we are vilifying the whole community because of a couple bad eggs - and while creepy men preying upon women and invading women's spaces is the most pressing issue in regards to trans ideology becoming mainstream - the entire basis of trans ideology is wrong. it doesn't matter if there are good trans people, as a society we should be moving away from enforcing gender roles. we shouldn't have parents who have a feminine boy taking him to a doctor and getting him diagnosed with gender dysphoria because there is nothing wrong with men being feminine. they are still men. being feminine does not make you not a man, and it is incredibly fucked up that is a controversial statement in leftist spaces. we shouldn't have butch lesbians not identifying with being a woman because they don't 'act' like one. i have seen many butch women say people often question their gender identity and ask if they are sure they are not trans or enby, essentially openly questioning their womanhood for not being what a woman should be. asking what a woman is shouldn't be some controversial statement associated with being a bigot. why can woman not be defined? why is it an abstract concept to some people?
we are calling out those who use the trans movement to try to normalize their creepy and predatory behaviour, but a lot of trans ideology is just the same shit radfems have been against for years repackaged with a progressive spin. at it's core trans ideology is telling people that since gender is a social construct, you should identify with whatever gender stereotypes you align with best, and go on medical treatment to try and make your sex match that stereotype. and it also enforces the idea that if you hate your body instead of trying to work on accepting yourself, you need to surgically alter yourself to fit what your ideal body is.
like there is so much more that i could ramble on about, but the point is even without crazy or predatory troons the very idea of being trans is wrong and not something we should want normalized. a lot of TRAs will dismiss everything we say because they're 'not all like that' but it that shouldn't even matter.
No. 2499504
>>2499484>>2499296i recommend a slightly twisted female too
she hasn't made anything new for a while though
No. 2499510
>>2499445Thank you, I’m realizing how deeply ingrained this is in my behavior and it gives me the ick when I catch myself deprioritizing myself in favor of some slime. Though overall I’m glad that I finally peaked. It’s allowed me to look at a lot of other bullshit in media, sex workers, beauty standards for men and women, etc. Which is horrific in its own way but I much rather see than stick my head in the sand. I was suffering for denying my own thoughts and gut instincts, now it’s coming to terms with how people will gleeful defend heinous shit with a badge of moral superiority.
>>2499481This was the lingering doubt I had all during my hand maiden phase. Why did gender identity have to rely on sexist sterotypes? I assumed I somehow didn’t understand the experience and gaslighted myself into denying my own basic ability to reason. Researching into the history of “queerness” also was eye opening. How quick people are to label historical women as trans when they disguised themselves as men reminded me deeply of the retardation of “No way was a women able to perform this feat, only a man is capable of it, so she in actuality has a soul of a man”.
No. 2499526
>>2499481>a lot of them are feminine gay men>a lotFirst of all they are overwhelmingly not feminine gay men, at least outside of latam and thailand probably. Second, the narrative that the HSTS moids are "the good ones" is another psyop to get female pity and compassion when in reality HSTS males are often just as misogynistic as AGPs, even if less likely to be directly sexually predatory. There is a tiny subset of child transitioner males who were transitioned by their parents/teachers/etc. before they were old enough to make their own decisions and arguably I'd say these are the only ones who can really be considered
victims.
>I think it is really important to acknowledge this to get others to peak. I used to think this but it hasn't been true at all in my experience. Almost every woman I know who has peaked has peaked in part because of terrible personal experiences with TIMs, and that includes HSTS males. I really think this basically boils down to a tone policing argument when in reality everyone already tone polices and guilt trips so-called TERFs just for observing reality. Most women naturally have some compassion for TIFs and understand that TIFs are different from TIMs but almost all the peaking stories I've heard that weren't from detrans/desister women themselves had to do with the effect of male transactivism and male troons, not to do with TIFs.
>it's easy to brush terfs off and think we are vilifying the whole community because of a couple bad eggsNot if you actually look at the behavior of the trans community and the fundamental ideology of genderism and see that it's literally all of them/the ideology itself, not a couple bad eggs. Just because the entire ideology is wrong doesn't mean we need to pretend that the overwhelming majority of TIMs aren't what they are, though. Further gaslighting doesn't help matters. Moreover, the vast majority of people already know trans ideology is ridiculous and don't believe the shit they spew about how there's no such thing as a woman, so while it's useful to keep pointing this out, the actual issue in many cases is just that people are trying to be nice to individuals. That's why peaking stories are so often "well the ideology already hadn't sat right with me for months/years/ever, but the straw that broke the camel's back was a TIM…" Female socialization will keep women saying absolutely batshit crazy stuff for the sake of being kind and accepting, but lbr no one, including gendies themselves, needs convincing that men can't be women and vice versa.
No. 2499566
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>>2495960Slightly ot but I thought nonnies would enjoy this followup.
No. 2499587
>>2499533She posts photos from them all the time, and honestly they look really awkward. The body language of the middle aged ladies with the troons always looks tense. But they go to these meetings all the time and go to all sorts of events/protests to give people hugs so they must to some degree enjoy hanging out with these TIMs? Idk man, idk. I don't understand boomers/gen X either.
>>2499566Brilliant, I'm sure she extended the seethe by another decade.
No. 2499600
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You mean WOMAN
FUCK YOU HEALTHLINE
No. 2499612
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>>2498586It's part of Tumblr culture. Popular fandoms using Catholic imagery in fanart and analysis were Supernatural and to a greater extent Hannibal. Hannigram shippers were shamed by the "fetishizing gay men" line into becoming TIFs. The halos and agony etc remain to this day.
Another factor is the transing of Joan of Arc and picrel shit about Saint Agatha. If saints can be trans, then transgenderism must be compatible with Catholicism. Don't you know transpeople threw the first brick at Stonewall, were the real
victims of the Holocaust, and were chosen by angels and heckin genocided for it?
No. 2499629
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>>2498586I was raised Catholic so can only speak from that viewpoint, but a whole tenant of Catholicism is original sin and atoning for that. I can see some people taking it as an allegory for being trans, that it is an inherent part of their being and they had no say in it, it’s just who they are. But they can choose to embody and live their truth as an act of devotion and worship to the idea that they can be forgiven or find the sort of euphoria in salvation that sinners do in accepting God’s word. Christianity, and especially Catholicism, romanticizes and deifies suffering. These people are mentally ill and I do believe suffer from it, but they mistakenly believe it is merely because they are trans and not some deeper issue. The allure of an ideology that celebrates and finds meaning in that suffering, to the point of praising and elevating those who do, is probably very appealing. It reminds me of picrel and trying to find meaning in why we suffer. Being trans not only provides a convenient explanation for all of that but puts the impetus on society for not being supportive enough.
No. 2499641
>>2498712One strategy to get out of it is probably to do the reverse then. Teach kids that some stupid people think there are 100 genders/sexes, but smart people know that it actually isn't so and explain gametes and how even plants have male/female.
Honestly I think once the current kids grow up they'll think gender is cringe (it's only the ugly people who do it kek) and they'll make fun of the old people who fell for all this oogah boogah gender nonsense, the same way we now laugh at hysteria once being considered real.
No. 2499642
>>2499481>because maybe this is controversial but there are 'good' ones. a lot of them aren't sexpests, a lot of them have identity and body issues and not a fetish, If we're talking about men, that is a SMALL minority nona. Take for example the fact that in studies usually around 70-90% of male troons identify as "lesbians". So the majority of them are straight men into women. And again in studies less than 10% have the sex change surgery. So around 90% of troons are straight men who are sexually attracted to women who still have dicks - and they're personally demanding they get let into women's private spaces, rape shelters, that lesbians fuck them.
Now take the ones you see as the "good ones". They say NOTHING about the rapist men wanting to fuck lesbians. They do NOT oppose men having their dicks out in rape shelters. They instead champion it, THEY see those transbians as one of them. The face that they as a man think they have the right to defeine what a woman is over actual women, means they're misogynistic nona. No matter how distraught that man is over his own body, he still thinks he knows better than ALL women. That he has the right to be in our spaces, take our clothes, use female words. Because his pain as a man is more important to him than every woman on earth losing their rights because of it.
A good man wouldn't troon out. To troon out he needs to first not respect women, because no man who respects women would ever troon out no matter how bad he felt about himself.
No. 2499647
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>>2499614Pretty much kek. It's become a British tradition to "queer" everything. They've done science museums and even public gardens. Now they're all having melties over the Supreme Court YWNBAW ruling.
No. 2499650
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>>2499647Samefag but needs to be seen: the Crab Museum, or at least their social media manager, is trying to redefine human biology.
No. 2499733
>>2499653>there are no binaries in natureAre they seriously gonna hide behind all the animals? Nature has nothing to do with people injecting themselves with horse piss and mutilating their genitalia because they don't "feel" like their natal sex, and even the most hermaphroditic/sex changing animal, it still involves 2 gametes. Sex is very much binary, even in the weirdest of animals.
There.
Is.
No.
Third.
Sex.
These faggots also aren't professionals. I looked up their museum and it's fucking lame as shit. It gives off strong vibes of some trust fund kid opening it up and it's struggling to get by.
No. 2499736
>>2499733I love how they always use weird hermaphroditic sea creatures or something to prove their point, forgetting that humans are
mammals and mammals are very much binary when it comes to sex and reproductive parts. The sea creature analogy doesn't work anyway, but when you keep animal families in mind it becomes particularly lulzy. They might as well say humans can fly because we have some similarities with birds.
No. 2499790
>>2499736Yeah it would be like saying there are only women because there are radfem 4B whiptail lizards who ascended and evolved out the vestigial moids.
While it is based, it doesn't prove anything about humanity. We still need scrotegunk to breed (for now)
No. 2499836
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nonnas i'm so tired. sage for blogpost but i thought that a friend who formerly identified as trans finally accepted being a woman but within a few months she's gone back to being a tif.
it's sickening how much gender ideology preys on any woman who doesn't look like a barbie doll or subscribe to being a feminine caricature 24/7. that friend has always struggled with body image and being "ugly" and this ideology just feeds into that. she hasn't even done anything like taking T medically, so it isn't severe dysphoria, just severe self-hatred. it's so sad that marking oneself as male seems to be the only acceptable way for a woman to be gnc or "ugly" or whatever.
never thought i'd say this but i genuinely do miss the days of "truscum" and calling people out for being "trenders". i need this shit to go back to being an actual medical diagnosis.
No. 2499986
>>2499653do the crabs at this museum have gender identity lol. what the fuck are they on about. I've also never gotten their focus on biology, according to them being trans has nothing to do with sex anyways, it's about gender. a social construct. how can a biologist tell us how a social construct works? except they always trip over themselves with the gender/sex thing since they want to government and health insurance companies to have to pay for them to get extensive surgery to match the opposite sex.
>>2499526>>2499642I said a lot not most. most in the west are sexpests imo.
>Almost every woman I know who has peaked has peaked in part because of terrible personal experiences with TIMsand this is my point. not every women has had bad experiences with TIMs. i am lucky to have almost never interacted with them - then I started dating and saw these disgusting men on 'lesbian' dating apps and a lot of things started to click. most straight women never have to interact with TIMs in real life, I only had that experience because I am a lesbian and I dared try to interact with other lesbians in my community. even then it was just online. other then that, I've only seen TIMs irl in passing.
it's important to call out the creepy men AND the entire basis of the ideology. both things can be true. because a lot of handmaidens and TRAs operate on the bias that there is only a few bad eggs and it isn't a huge problem (it is), but that shouldn't matter. they should be against trans ideology because even without predatory men it is still bad.
like they often like to bring up that we talk about TIMs and not TIFs…which is pretty fucking obvious, TIFs generally aren't rapists and degerates. but we are still against TIFs trooning out because even if it doesn't come from a malicious place, a woman thinking she is not a woman because she doesn't 'act' like one is a BAD thing and we should all be against it. i do think it is important to get through to the women deep in TRA bullshit to not just talk about the worst TIMs because clearly, they already see that and don't care or believe it isn't prevalent.
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How can there be any TIFs that haven't peaked yet? Your trans "sisters" openly hate you.
No. 2500043
>>2499296>i just feel so angry all the timethis has been the hardest part of peaking for me too
nonnie. i'm so angry!!
my apologizes for going off-topica TRA can be as loud and as nasty as they want, for they are on "the right side of history", but a
terf is a dirty horrible bigot bitch that needs to learn a lesson and suck some gock.
peaking felt like i was in 7th grade again, learning that america
burgerfag here is actually a horrible, sickening empire. and there's not a goddamn thing i can do about it.
and that's what makes me so angry. there's nothing we can really do but wait until the world hopefully catches on too.
No. 2500051
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Why do trannies love picrew so much? Its literally so creepy because its this same EXACT soulless pastel loli picrew over and over again and you know they look hideous & nothing like that behind the screen
No. 2500063
>>2500051Picrew is just online dress-up games 2.0 so naturally people love them, and since most Picrews are aimed/good for icons, we actually get to see people who use them (unlike the former who got contained on the user's PC or in DevianArt comments).
On trannies, you answered your own question: Because they want to be a cutesy anime loli and Picrew lets them customize it to their ideal self.
No. 2500069
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>>2500063its so disturbing to see a tranny with that specific picrew because of how commonly its used. like here. underage girl names like emily, lucy, etc. and underage looking girl profile pictures, just to find its an unwashed skinwalking male behind the screen. why do people treat them like normal people and not weirdo lolicons
No. 2500073
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>>2499653Oh yeah no such thing as binary in nature, man I'm so glad I flunked all my science classes
No. 2500158
>>2498396>ComptopKEKKk They're so fucking retarded, I can't. They even had to appropriate comphet.
You can actually tell any normal person you don't wanna do something in bed and they'll be okay with it. The problem is these faggots have willingly made themselves unfuckable to anyone who isn't a fellow troon or an STD ridden grindr gay. And both troons and men on grindr want, primarily, to be penetrated. I remember the tranny from euphoria complaining about how straight men expected him to top and it's like… duh? The only reason they want you and not a woman is because you have a dick and he's gay. It's hilarious we all predicted this from day 0: after they realize lesbians and straight men won't fuck them, they'll resort to fucking eachother and then start whining about how no one wants to top.
Especially kekking at the fag who expects his "tboy" girlfriend to strap him. So you don't wanna top because of muh dysphoria, but your girlfriend should peg you and get dysphoric over the one male organ she wishes she had? So womanly and thoughtful of you, sir.
No. 2500179
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>>2500134speaking about "the dolls", TiMs and their allies are making a fuss about this campaign because they assume it's about them
No. 2500188
>>2500039TIFs aren't intersex though, they're women. And yes, intersex people can experience sexism if they're female, it's not like they're these freaky 50/50 hermaphrodites, just men and women with some malformations or chemical imbalances pertaining to the opposite sex.
>Its not, its a different thing but not really sexism. So i think transphobia or a different term is more suitable because again there are people with female genitals but male phenotype First of all, 99% of TIFs don't have a "male phenotype", they hardly ever pass. Second, transphobia isn't actually real. All the discrimination they face is homophobia, and the criticism they get from gendercrits isn't hatred, just rightful common sense directed at an extremely backwards and hateful antifeminist movement seeking to destroy women's and gay rights.
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>>2498968>>2498995holy fucking shit
yeah… definitely a “woman” if youre blind in your left eye. or deaf because he & has a deep voice and tries to painfully force it being higher.
i bet if he didnt tell people he was a transtrender, they would call him a “he” and only pretend to think hes a “she” so he wouldnt get mad
No. 2500269
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>>2500259a ken dressed up as a barbie is what kind of “doll” they are
No. 2500283
>>2500250How autistic are you? I literally said he passes
because he's not white, all crackers have a way harder time at passing. Passing is about looking like a woman, if people only know he's a troon because he tells them then that still counts as passing.
(baiting) No. 2500415
>>2499986Yes you said a lot, but there aren't a lot. There are disappearingly few.
>and this is my point. not every women has had bad experiences with TIMs.All the more reason to be honest with them about what TIMs are actually like.
>most straight women never have to interact with TIMs in real lifeAbsolutely untrue in the country where I live. Every single woman has had to interact with TIMs many times.
>it's important to call out the creepy men AND the entire basis of the ideology.Sure, which is exactly what all GC people do. I'm not sure what your critique is of. You initially seemed to be saying that there are 'a lot' of innocent nice troon moids and we shouldn't be focusing on what TIMs are like, which is what I think both of us took issue with.
>a lot of handmaidens and TRAs operate on the bias that there is only a few bad eggs and it isn't a huge problemWhich is why it's a great idea to impress upon the handmaidens that it's not only a few bad eggs and it is a huge problem. TRAs won't change their opinions anyway so who cares what they think?
>they should be against trans ideology because even without predatory men it is still bad. Yeah but they won't be, that's the point. 'Christians should be against the ideology of Christianity' would be an equally productive argument. Good luck.
>we are still against TIFs trooning outSure but almost all of the legal challenges etc. that GC people fight don't really apply to them. A lot of people, even radfems, believe that individuals should be allowed to do what they want as long as it's not infringing on others, so they would allow adult TIFs to identify as trans without issue one way or the other. The root of the issue isn't that some people have stupid beliefs, it's that they're forcing those beliefs (and the fallout of those beliefs) on society. Like I said, EVERYONE, and I do really mean everyone, already knows men can't become women and vice versa. We don't need to convince anyone of that deep down. Even trans people themselves all know that very very well. I'm not going to waste my time trying to get through to every single crazy person and 'deprogram' them or whatever, the same way I don't spend my life doing that to Mormons or Scientologists. I'm concerned with maintaining a society where they can't impose upon me, upon other women, upon every single member of society, via laws and norms.
No. 2500445
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Women are walking around with the loaded handgun of fake rape accusations. TIMs aren't walking around with the loaded handgun of being bigger and stronger and having a penis to rape with though.
No. 2500446
>>2500069I mostly agree with you but Emily and Lucy are not 'underage girl names,' those would be like Zaelynn or something. Emily and Lucy are common millennial woman names which is why millennial/genx hons tend to use those names - they were among the most popular female names when these moids were having their first crushes and sexual fixations. Kind of rude to imply that the huge number of adult women with those names have 'child' names when they're among the most common names for adult women.
>>2500146Is it people who don't realize they're TIFs or is it troons?
>>2500158>You can actually tell any normal person you don't wanna do something in bed and they'll be okay with it.Actually probably not really. The issue is that these moids are trying to have sexual relationships with other people where they don't sexually please the other person at all, but the other person has to perform for them like they're in porn. No normal person will be okay with that sex role which is why the troons are complaining. It's not just about them wanting to be penetrated, it's about them wanting to be the sole receiver of pleasure - in the screenshots tons of them talk about their 'girlfriends' (female or not) having to give them oral sex without reciprocation too, so it actually goes way further than just 'gay men want to be topped.' Most of these moids are probably having sexual relationships with women, and the t4t homo ones are doing their best to pretend they are. Whether they're straight, gay, or prison gay the majority of them are obsessed with the 'receiver' role and not just when it comes to penetration. This is not just because they are troons but also because they are men and naturally sexually selfish.
No. 2500532
>>2499481great words nonna, I agree with everything you said.
I've come to really hate the term
TERF because it literally makes no sense for a multitude of reasons:
>"trans exclusionary" but radfeminism includes TiFs>There is no way to take marxist readings of feminism and not see that 'gender' as we see it now is a bourgeoisie indulgence, it has no basis in radical feminism, the two ideas are ideologically incongruent.Every time i see a "TIRF" online I have to eye roll. What does that even mean? You believe in the flowery concept of perceived gender but somehow, by some logic, it still aligns with other marxist thought? Please. It becomes really obvious to me when 'radfems' online haven't read a lick of theory, or challenged critical thought. There is literally no way to look at the basis of radical feminist text and see that gender ideology is a load of bs.
But the term "inclusive" or "exclusive" feels disingenuous. Radical feminism being exclusive to women as a
sex class is inclusive to 50% of the world's population. Being a '
terf' is just being a radical feminist, imo, and I'm sick and tired of hearing the term.
No. 2500581
>>2499209School board needs to ignore this guy. Like the gendy is just trying to be a
victim and is seeking out excuses and reporting such a minor offense creates a
toxic, unsafe environment for literally everyone else except this stupid gendie asshole. This also dilutes actual hate speech. Like "hey guys" is now being put on par with actual fucking bigotry.
Fuck this guy and fuck the enabler consultants who didn't just tell him to kick rocks and save it for when some shitty moidlet says the gamer word or some shit.
No. 2500594
>>2500578>>2500580Thank you, nonnies. It means a lot to me that I can come here and know other women feel the same, even if in secret. It keeps me sane. I was very careful to use TRA-friendly language so I didn’t completely expose myself as le ebil
terf.
No. 2500603
>>2500532Functionally '
TERF' is not used to describe radical feminists though, it's used to describe basically any normie or GC woman (and in some rare cases even men). I agree with your points that it doesn't make sense as a moniker (and TIRF doesn't either but none of the people that call themselves that are remotely radfem) but at the end of the day the word just now means 'someone critical of or doubtful about gender ideology in any way' and isn't really associated in most people's minds with radical feminism at all. This argument is now way bigger than radical feminism, I'm not a radfem (I'd say I'm an ex-radfem if anything) but I still agree with and align myself with many (though not all) of the radfem arguments about gender because many of them are basically just the sane and rational position so people will call me a
TERF regardless whether I'm radfem or not. They won't actually care that I'm not a radical feminist and disagree with several major tenets of radical feminism.
>>2500542Yeah the loaded handgun is obviously a much better metaphor for a man's dick than a woman's ability to state that she has been sexually assaulted but good luck getting men to empathize with women or display any basic theory of mind. Women are afraid men will rape/kill them, men are afraid women will laugh at them (or, more recently, admit they were raped by them).
>>2500574The worst thing about this is that the other example comment ("play like a man") is one that I know was apparently not said to any women and was basically just put next to "hey guys" to make the recommendations seem more reasonable. They try to slip in extremely schizo asks like "don't say hey guys to a mixed sex group because it's harmful and dangerous" by acting like it's on par with racist/sexist comments or objectionable comments that weren't even said.
>>2500581Fuck what guy? The gendie who complained was a girl enby (or multiple girl enbies iirc but I know one of them that complained for sure) complaining about a common greeting that was historically used for mix-sex groups. The worst part is that there actually has been horrible sexism at that music school, mostly from male students, and the most misogynistic prof in the department was the one tasked with doing the DEI consultancy (probably the same person that wrote that notice). I know for a fact that the man in charge of the DEI meetings was targeting specific women in the department but he got off scot free because he knows not to commit terrible speech offenses like "hey guys" and just email women misogynistic screeds and ban them from playing in bands instead.
No. 2500611
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Misogyny
No. 2500625
>>2500446AYRT, that's… literally what I just said. Why are you giving retarded moid during class saying
>Um, AKSHUALLY… and then regurgitating what his female classmate just said thinking he looks smart?
>in the screenshots tons of them talk about their 'girlfriends' (female or not) having to give them oral sex without reciprocation too, so it actually goes way further than just 'gay men want to be topped.'I literally said "unfuckable to anyone but troons and grindr gays", and "troons" includes TIFs and nonbinary identified women, which is the case for almost all women fucking TIMs. And a TIM fucking another TIM (which is the case %99 of times they mention a girlfriend) is still a gay man. Did you even read the post you're replying to before shitting out your "akshually prewbably nawt rlly" millenial cringe opener? The rest of your post is legitimately paraphrasing what I said.
No. 2500631
>>2500532Not sure why you're expecting a logical or consistent use of "
TERF" when it's mostly used by TRAs, the same group of people constantly redefining words. A lot of women have "reclaimed" it because the more you try to explain that you're not actually a
TERF and that the acronym doesn't even make sense, the more it sounds like you're in the wrong somehow and that's what trannies want, they want
TERF to be on par with other -phobe and -ist accusations. To be honest, it's not just "radfem" that has lost meaning, the average woman who identifies as a feminist is probably pro troon, pro porn, pro prostitution. It's just how it is, especially now that having a bunch of labels in your bio and vaguely supporting causes is just a matter of following trends and looking cool.
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>>2500631honestly i love being called
terf. trannies like to use it like its some kind of slur, but of course i would personally exclude the crossdressing gay tranny in all of my feminist/womanhood conversations.
when i was a misled handmaiden i thought it was the worst word to be called, because i read that “Dont support JK rowling, shes an evil witchy
terf!” somewhere and didn’t think much if it. but now that i think about it, why is “trans-exclusionary” the first words standing for
terf? is the feelings of trans-identifying-men really the top priority? all they have to do to rid their mines of misogyny is take off the wig and dress and boom, theyre a man again. not that anything has changed.
No. 2500641
>>2500631>they want TERF to be on par with other -phobe and -ist accusations. They're so blatant about it too. Recently I saw some clickbait article headline that was like 'TERFs turn their sights on immigrants after 'anti trans victory' or some shit. Like yeah, that totally happened, the teeny tiny minority of radical feminists are sooo politically powerful they can simply bulldoze through any group they don't like.
They only way TRAs can get any legitimacy for their movement is straight up lying about the actions, identity and motivations of their detractors. It's pathetic.
No. 2500645
>>2500640samefag, and its not even “transphobic feminist” or “transhating feminist” but instead “trans-excludinary”
crying about being “excluded” sounds like: “how dare you ignore me! how dare you not treat me like one of the guurls! how dare you cover your drink when i walk into the room! how dare you clutch your keys when i walk into the bus! im entitled to your special attention!” they crave acceptance from actual women they skinwalk and when they arent treated as some kind of special rare-breed, their male aggression throws a fit.
No. 2500650
>>2500644Thanks,
nonny. I just became 41% more transphobic after watching this.
No. 2500679
>>2500641>'TERFs turn their sights on immigrants after 'anti trans victory' or some shitKek this is ridiculous. Just reads like they don't even know who they're trying to talk about so they're using the latest trending public enemy to generate some engagement. At this point why not use "Big meanies" or "White Karens"? It's not like journalism is anything but a joke these says
>>2500645>its not even “transphobic feminist” or “transhating feminist” but instead “trans-excludinary”Don't give them ideas nonna but that's a great point. At the end of the day, although it's redundant,
terf just means
feminism that doesn't revolve around or support men and gender ideology and trannies consider it a wrong, cancel-worthy cause. It's seriously depressing how normies don't see anything wrong with TRAs comparing feminism to fascism.
No. 2500688
>>2500641I guess to give credit where credit is due, radical feminists were at least heavily involved in the minor 'anti trans victories' some countries have had recently, and had somewhat outsized influence considering what a tiny and hated group they generally are. But lol at the idea that anti-immigrant sentiment (which is held by the vast majority of western people right now, on all/both sides of the political aisle) is going to be spearheaded by radfems. Lmao even. They want to play
victim so bad they're cowering in front of shadows that they themselves made by putting a little cutout paper figurine next to a lamp pointed at the wall and going 'omg!!! boogeyman is coming to get me for real!!'
>>2500645The precedent for this was the anti-bullying campaigns that many millennials (and possibly zoomers too although idk) got when we were kids. I remember when I was in elementary school the entire culture went about redefining 'bullying' from a meaning closer to 'calling people slurs, shoving them in lockers and stealing their lunch money' to a meaning of 'if you don't want to play with Brian because Brian makes you uncomfortable then you are actually the evil villainous bully who will make Brian sad and depressed and scared of other people for the rest of his life.' I unironically think anti-bullying campaigns targeting very young children had a huge part to play in the attitudes of the millennials who mostly spearheaded the TRA and other microidentity movements because we were brainwashed as an entire generation of little kids and teens to believe 'exclusion' is on a moral level with outright violence or hateful rhetoric. I still remember groups of girls in middle school being forced by teachers to publicly apologize to boys that would harass and stalk them and refuse to take no for an answer when the girls wanted to be alone. I myself was accused of bullying (along with 2-3 female friends) in 9th grade by a teacher because we went into the girls' bathroom trying to avoid a moid who wouldn't leave us alone all lunch hour. Now we would not even have the chance to 'bully' a moid in that way because moids are allowed IN to the girls' bathroom explicitly. We fucked up really bad by coddling feelings so much in general about 'exclusion' and 'inclusion' and it permeates so many different aspects of society now that it makes TRA logic seem, frankly, way more logical than it actually is to people who bought into this 'exclusion bad' idea.
No. 2500717
>>2500644Somehow, I'm most immediately put off by the shameless Akio Watanabe derivation. And it's not even a good approximation. Then again, TIMs are obsessed with that 2000s loli moeblob style, so it's kind of spot on. The whole thing is a hilariously honest look into the life of a sheltered weeby AGP to the point it almost feels like satire, but you can tell you're supposed to feel bad for him. Moid confidence and navel gazing is so insane kek, imagine expecting people to think it's deep and profound you want to skinwalk a magical girl. And we're supposed to feel bad for him when he realizes he is not, in fact, a little girl? Well, at least this is excellent peaking material and the comments can prove to even the stubbornest handmaiden that yes, for TIMs, it seriously is a transformation fetish. Honestly surprised Colin hasn't trooned out already, him and Shen Comix are both obvious AGPs, no clue what's stopping them.
No. 2500726
>>2500688>radical feminists were at least heavily involved in the minor 'anti trans victories' some countries have had recently, and had somewhat outsized influenceWhat these women are doing is great and needed, but if this was only a battle of influence and involvement, TRAs would win by far all the time (and they do win often) because there are plenty of ultra rich, influential pro-troon males that radfem organizations or even JKR simply cannot rival against. I think one of the main issues TRAs are facing at this point is that putting their beliefs into law is difficult, even with all that support, because their beliefs are that absurd. Erasing/censoring the notion of sex in legal and scientific fields is not manageable, even pro-troon experts in such fields must realize it (maybe not the most delusional ones). I don't think the UK Supreme Court could have ruled differently even if JKR did not exist, or at the very least they would have been shooting themselves in the foot, because any law or text acknowledging the difference between male and female could have been put into question next. Even if some countries do try to erase the notion of sex, it will inevitably turn into an administrative mess at some point because words and personal feelings do not transform reality.
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Retards are doubling down therefore we must double down too, I hope the vase finally tops over, because god knows how much I am tired of trannies and their demand for special privileges.
No. 2500743
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>>2500734Ew is this recent? I don't buy from LUSH because it smells like crap every time I walk by one but extra never buying from them again for this stunt. Have they ever done a support window for women? Probably not.
No. 2500757
>>2500737>Yes having sex with a male, as a male, makes you gay, even if you have sex with him "as you would with a woman",Haven't seen the vid so I'm only commenting on what your wrote, but I can think of times this isn't true. Troons are known to rape by deception, if the other man thinks he's having sex with a woman he is still straight. It's easy to say "how could he not notice" but there are many ways troons get around it, namely drugs and alcohol and only doing oral/anal, in the dark with bolt on tits. Plenty of men think tits = woman and don't really know troons exist, so thinking the human with tits is a man is the last thing on their drunken mind. The act in of itself will always be gay, it's gay sex. But one of them (or both, troons are known to be delusional on all levels) thinks it's straight sex. Even if he enjoyed it, the straight man thinks he enjoyed straight sex so he's still straight and unaware he just got raped by deception and had gay sex.
I also think in a very extreme and rare case if a troon truly passed as a woman (again, to a drunk guy in the dark etc) that a straight man could enjoy the gay sex even knowing it's a man dressed as a woman while still being straight. But it would be in the same way like fucking a "pocket pussy" doesn't mean the man is into plastic and silicone. It allows him to dissociate into thinking it is a woman, the troon being a living sex toy essentially. But again I think that's so extremely rare that it's pretty much purely theoretical.
Haven't watched him in a while but KC's whole thing was over-analyzing and putting out different angles, so he usually didn't believe everything he said but put forth things in ways to say "but you could look at it like this or this" so I don't expect he truly believed all the weird stuffy you heard him say.
No. 2500762
>>2500717My personal fav comment is this one
>Maybe if Anna wasn't so dismissive and instead showed a little more actual curiosity and consideration, maybe alex wouldn't have had to be in that dark room, struggling with the razor and the zipper alone. Maybe even if the costume still didn't fit, someone being there to support and encourage could have made a difference.Showcasing perfectly how troon moids see the role of women in their lives as essentially NPC figures (compared to their anime waifus/AGP targets) who help the hero by being a prop for his fetish, sorry, I mean self-actualization journey. He's a dick to some random girl who's being nice to him? It's actually her being mean and evil because she doesn't understand how deep and sensitive he is inside while being an asshole to her outwardly. Instead of giving him an opportunity to socialize with a group of actual women and reaching out to him repeatedly trying to get him to touch grass and socialize, she should understand that his deepest soul needs to coom in his room alone. If only the becky femoid knew what the incel actually needs he wouldn't be such a creepy incel loser, it's all her fault actually!
>>2500726I agree that radfems have relatively minor influence on society, but I do think they've managed to punch above their weight with raising awareness about this issue. JKR alone as a singular woman has managed to raise awareness so much and reach so many normies even though, you're right, she's still far less powerful than figures like "Martine" Rothblatt. The UK Supreme Court decision and some of the Trump executive orders/Nancy Mace bathroom bill all highlight that it's hard to put their beliefs into law because of their absurdity, but keep in mind that these are all reversals of the laws or de-facto laws that were already in place for years now that actually DID give troons their special privileges. We are seeing walkbacks now in some measure because of troons themselves showing that when they're given what they ask for, they abuse the goodwill of society horribly. I do think part of the reason normies have managed to see that is because of the hard work of the small number of brave GC women who are speaking out and also some of the men (like Linehan) those women have managed to bring over to their side.
>I don't think the UK Supreme Court could have ruled differently even if JKR did not exist, or at the very least they would have been shooting themselves in the foot, because any law or text acknowledging the difference between male and female could have been put into question next. They could have and other countries' courts have ruled differently. More importantly, laws and texts acknowledging the difference between male and female have ALREADY been put into question or have been overriden/rewritten entirely, not just in the UK but many other countries. It should not be taken as a given at all that the UK supreme court 'had' to rule this way when UK police were already arresting women for just using wrong pronouns on twitter years prior. You're right it will eventually turn into an administrative mess but the faster the general public notices the mess, the better, and that's a lot of what people like JKR are working to achieve.
No. 2500764
>>2500734>>2500743I genuinely believe this will get them cancelled in the future the same way celebs now get cancelled for racism or homophobia they said 20-30 years ago "back when it was ok". This will haunt them forever and the kids being born now will have grown into bullies and make call out posts going
>"umm Pedro Pascal actually supported anti-autism/anti-gay pro-pedo genocide in the trans cult in the 10s and 20s… he's basically a transnazi. More like Pedo Pascal!"and hound every event he's listed at until they drop him.
No. 2500776
>>2500764I really hope you're right nonna but I'm worried that even if trans rights gets essentially reversed, these people will still be seen as "on the right side of history" anyway because they were "doing the best they could with the information available at the time," the same way journalists now are getting a pass for not knowing Biden had dementia and attacking/mocking anyone who said he did or outlets who supported the Iraq war (like the New York Times, Atlantic, WaPo) are still viewed as extremely factual sources because "they didn't know at the time and everyone was reeling from 9/11" or numerous other more severe cases I can think of that I shouldn't mention because they will probably start a thread derail. You still have people being excused if not actively praised for thinking they were doing the right thing while the people who were actually proven to be right are still vilified because "maybe they were right but they couldn't have known at the time" or, even better, "they were right but for the wrong reasons." I'm extremely worried that even if gender ideology gets crushed in the next decade or two, TERFs and radfems will be viewed as the actual villains more than the trans surgery butcher doctors and most of the transactivists because "at the time they couldn't have known they were right and their reasons for doing it were bigoted." I really hope I'm wrong, but I wouldn't hold my breath for radfems themselves to ever be vindicated or for TRAs and TRA supporters to ever really get their comeuppance.
A more directly thread-relevant example I just thought of is the whole Caster Semenya debacle. It is true that male DSD athletes were banned from mid-distance (and now possibly even shorter distance) running events internationally, and it is true that now most people openly admit Semenya is a biological male, but you still see plenty of people vilifying Semenya's critics at the time saying "there was no way to know he was male until after the new testing standards/after the lawsuit revealed her intersex condition!" or still claiming Semenya was the only such athlete winning medals when all three Rio olympic medalists in the 800 were men. You still to this day get people absolutely ragging on that British runner who was in 6th (so actually third) place because "why was she crying if she wouldn't have gotten a medal anyway, racist bitch" and similar. Sure, we got the moids out of middle distance running after like a decade of concerted attempts by women's rights and fairness-in-sports activists, but the common view of what actually happened is still that Semenya was essentially an unwitting
victim of bigots and racists. I think troonism is likely to go much the same way and people will keep saying that most of the people opposed to it were conservative white supremacist neonazis.
No. 2500779
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rofl
No. 2500798
>>2500764I hope so nonna but that'll involve self reflection on a lot of their parts and journalists actually picking up on the winds of change and journos are progressive scum with an axe to grind.
I already see the TRA journalists trying to do the opposite atm to shame people 'on the wrong side of trans rights'. Shaming anyone involved with new Harry Potter like 'will their role in the new franchise associate them to JK's 'bigotry'???' Like not implying they'll blacklist these actors just doing their job but…pretty much implying it. It's vaguely guilty by associate and reeks of purity tests and shit. It's insane really.
No. 2500799
>>2500778The Biden and Semenya examples also have reams of internet proof but that hasn't changed anything. I think you're underestimating the extent to which people who have a tendency to virtue signal (and think they're on the right side of history) manage to then twist the narrative when they're proven wrong. But I do really hope you're right on this one, I just wouldn't really hold my breath. I suspect that if the common opinion and political climate on this reverses, there will be a few people scapegoated (like Johanna Olson Kennedy for example), and everyone else will just run for cover and probably say something like 'oh yeah some aspects of this didn't sit right with me all along but The Experts (TM) and scientists and doctors and ACLU and civil rights lawyers all said this was The Right Thing To Do so I held my tongue!' The worst part is that the majority of radfems/leftist GC women, who are crypto, will sound just the same as handmaidens when that time comes, and won't have any proof they were against it either. In your example even the crypto terves who pretended to agree with gender theory will just be assumed to be someone who "wanted to be nice, so they thought cutting up children's bodies would help them mentally" and because so many people will come out looking like that, it will pretty much just be swept under the rug. There's huge swaths of current leftists who have made hundreds of public internet posts, like probably 90% percent of young Democrats in the US have done so, they're not all gonna get vilified when this turns out to be ridiculous. You think the entire political left half of America is going to start calling out Biden and Kamala Harris as evil ghouls who never deserved to be elected because they wanted to cut up children and invited misogynist moids to Lesbian Visibility Panels at the white house?
No. 2500865
>>2500734Didn't Lush "secretely" donated to
terf organization?
No. 2500907
>>2500757I agree with almost everything you said, however KC was not exclusively talking about it in the context of rape by deception (I don't think he even brought up that scenario at all). Based on the thumbnail alone it's obvious he's at least trying to make the argument that it would be absurd for a straight man to claim that he's into Buck Angel rather than a sexy TIM with bolt-ons which is pretty retarded and a pornbrained perspective imo. There's a big difference between looking at instagram pictures which can be deceptive and actually having sex with someone. A man not being attracted to a woman on T also doesn't mean he's not straight. But yeah as you said maybe he's just exploring different angles and I was expecting something too "serious".
>>2500762>It should not be taken as a given at all that the UK supreme court 'had' to rule this way when UK police were already arresting women for just using wrong pronouns on twitter years prior.I don't think it's comparable because punishing people for disrespecting someone's ""gender identity"" is kind of like punishing people for insulting or discriminating against a minority group. As crazy as it is, it's not on the same level as the supreme court of a country ruling against the legal recognition of biological sex. I agree with you though, trannies do have special privileges, women's rights are already being infringed upon, and raising awareness is a good thing no matter what. It may have come off as me trying to minimize the severity of the situation and it's not that at all, if anything I'm kind of pessimistic, but I would of course prefer the anti-trans victories being attributed to normies peaking and radfems' efforts rather than legal or administrative difficulties to implement gender bullshit.
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>>2500734>>2500743>LUSHThey have history with this shit.
No. 2500947
>>2500842>unrealistic waiting timebullshit, anyone who knows anyone who has gone full troon knows they can get literally everything done within a year. As soon as you get the therapist appointment they can get you the horse piss within hours. Meanwhile I live in a country where people pay tens of thousands of dollars annually for diseases that will literally guaranteed kill them if they don't get their treatment.
I don't want to hear diddly squat about troon hormones, it shouldn't be covered by ANY insurance. I know UK is better than the US about medication but diabetics are in hell here. And their medicine is ACTUALLY life saving. A tranny can do just fine without their troon gear for a week (or ever, other than they might kill themselves). A diabetic is 100% guaranteed dead.
Nobody talks about this, and if they do their voices are drowned out by a hoard of seething rapehons who want to make it all about themselves and their stupid skinwalking fetish.
I hate trannies so fucking much it's unreal.
Tranny surgery and hormones should be seen as the cosmetic procedures that they are and those fuckers should all have to pay full price.
>>2500743>Pedro PascalHis dad stole women's embryos and eggs and transplanted them into other women without either parties consent. They were his patients at his medical clinic. Pedro himself has never spoken out about this.
Pascal himself has also defended child rapists in the past.
No. 2501155
>>2500644tbh this video ironically shows how male they are, and how empty the "trans experience" is. going to armchair and ramble for a bit but, i'm pretty sure every woman has gone through this. women struggle with body issues too because every woman has that ideal "woman" in the back of her heads placed there by big media, they just learn how to play the game (fat is beautiful! women come in all shapes and all those shapes are fuckable! here's how to dress so you look like Her not like you) or they give up (troon out, become "frumpy" and keep themselves that way out of fear of their bodies and not matching up to Her), or they peak and realize it's all bullshit anyway.
for a man who has never gone through it (as i'm pretty sure men don't have some ideal standard of a moid lurking in the back of their mind – they have no framework for feeling like a voyeur in their own skin), i can see how brushing up against it must be fucking devastating. he doesn't know how to dress for his shape (or that it's even a thing), he doesn't know that every single woman who looks good and pretty spent hours – decades, because of how early female socialization begins – to get like that. he just thinks his depression over it is dysphoria or him being a poor tranny or whatever. he thinks "femininity" is easily attainable for anyone, and it isn't. that's the whole point of it.
i'm not sure this post makes sense but men really do discover shit women discovered at like 13 and break down about it or treat themselves like philosophers venturing into unknown and terrifying worlds, it's really embarrassing. like i'm a woman with wide-ass shoulders (they're like…18 inches?) and i've definitely busted open tops and dresses too, or looked like a brick in stuff. it still makes me feel fucking
awful but i understand the solution is to buy bigger shit and not to bemoan my entire life.
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Of course it has to be something creep sounding like "dolls"
Can't have protect the women because they aren't women and don't want to protect women
No. 2501254
>>2501208No and neither is yours since you're even asking.
>>2500779>I already see the TRA journalists trying to do the opposite atm to shame people 'on the wrong side of trans rights'.Of course they are! Those journalist aren't far from being cancelled themselves. Anyone who has their name on trans-positive work should be VERY afraid for the future because lawsuits have already begun to happen. And even if they are lucky enough to go by unharmed, when their own child or grandchild finds out they are/were pro-trans it will be seen the same as them being pro-lobotomy or having been a nazi. Their own families will see them as a black sheep and a source of shame.
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Hehehe
No. 2501395
>>2501312How do they not see that they're arguing that (for example) masculine men are "more men" than a feminine man? That the feminine man is somehow "more female" than him or "closer to being a female"? And if you have a hormonal disorder - yeah buddy, makes you less of a man too! Or possibly more of a man, depending on what hormone it is!
And they seriously think that is progressive and "kind".
No. 2501404
>>2500907I'm the 2nd AYRT but first responding to the first half:
>A man not being attracted to a woman on T also doesn't mean he's not straight.This is so obvious it really baffles me that TRAs (or anyone else) bothers to do this stupid juxtaposition at all. They're always like
>omg so you're saying you would rather fuck this roided bearded bald TIF with the boob chop just because she has a vagina than fuck Honter Schaefer a pretty pretty passing trans guwl? That's not actually the question. Most straight moids and lesbian women would fuck neither of them because people are attracted to both primary and secondary sexual characteristics, and also likely behavioral characteristics of their preferred sex. If either the primary or secondary sexual characteristics do not resemble the preferred sex, most people won't want to fuck that person anyway. Plenty of people who are straight are only really attracted to a small subset of people of the opposite sex - not to people of the wrong age, height, disposition, hair color, dress style, political beliefs etc. Just because you wouldn't fuck an extremely mannish roided woman doesn't mean you then have to fuck a feminine man instead, you can just not date or sleep with either. It's not a gotcha that most men wouldn't want to sleep with Buck Angel, and this is also why most troons struggle to have relationships with anyone at all, because they've made themselves so unattractive that basically no one wants to sleep with them, of any sexuality.
>I don't think it's comparable because punishing people for disrespecting someone's ""gender identity"" is kind of like punishing people for insulting or discriminating against a minority group. It is exactly comparable because considering sex based pronouns acceptable is exactly the same thing as saying only females are actually women. Arresting people for using "wrong" pronouns can only happen under a paradigm where those men are considered, legally, women, otherwise using wrong pronouns could not be considered discrimination. The supreme court ruling is basically just reversing the de facto legal belief that troon males are women, the same de facto legal belief that was getting women arrested for not using preferred pronouns on twitter.
>As crazy as it is, it's not on the same level as the supreme court of a country ruling against the legal recognition of biological sex.I'd say it's exactly on the same level. The legislative/parliamentary body of the UK ruled against the legal recognition of biological sex years ago, even allowing people to change their legal sex on their official documents. The supreme court is not a "higher" body than parliament in any meaningful way, it's basically just a reversal of the previous legislation. If it was reversed and the supreme court ruled that troon males are women, but parliament legislated that they aren't, it would be exactly the same amount of crazy as the current situation. The fact that the legislature considered men officially women is what makes it surprising that the supreme court disagreed, since usually the two bodies are somewhat in step about such basic laws.
>I would of course prefer the anti-trans victories being attributed to normies peaking and radfems' efforts rather than legal or administrative difficulties to implement gender bullshit.I think the supreme court ruling IS due to normies peaking and radfems' (and other GCers) efforts in the UK. I am somewhat pessimistic as well but I think this signals a sea change because the supreme court likely did this in response to their perception of public sentiment, which has been shifting. They basically threw a big middle finger up at Keir Starmer's government and said 'not on our watch, this isn't what the people want.'
No. 2501410
>>2500947>anyone who knows anyone who has gone full troon knows they can get literally everything done within a year.I watched a Skirt Go Spinny video that featured a woman who identified as trans, went on hormones, got the tit chop, AND destransitioned all in under a year. So yeah it is total BS that there are years of waiting, when you can medically transition and detransition in a year. I had to wait years to get even the first step (metformin) of PCOS treatment though, an essentially harmless drug, even though PCOS can often induce T2 diabetes if left untreated.
>>2501155Your post makes perfect sense to me, nonna, and yes this is the pathetic irony of moids claiming they 'feel like' or 'were socialized as' women while not even understanding the first thing about female socialization and feelings about our bodies.
>>2501254Reminder that the lobotomy got a Nobel Prize before everyone realized they were pure evil.
No. 2501631
I haven't finished the video yet and it's long but worth watching. So far in the video
>Lots of teachers bragging they don't tell kids' parents that their child is transitioning
>"Transition closets" in school so kids can come to school wearing the clothes their parents buy them and then change into other clothes at school to express their trans identity, including free chest binders
>Preschool teacher saying she teaches her students about sex and sexual identity
>Kids went to a stayaway science camp, and, without their parents' knowledge, girls were rooming with/sharing bathrooms with adult male camp counsellors who identified as nonbinary
>Woman's daughter was told by her school that the state would pay for her medical transition if she left her parents' home and went into foster care. Teenaged daughter was taken into foster care, transitioned, and then killed herself. Mom was only notified the next day that her daughter was already dead.
Apropos of the conversation yesterday about will there be a reckoning for people who supported troonshit, I wonder if there will ever be a reckoning for all the teachers, CPS workers, school boards, and NGOs that promote this shit in schools and subject children to this. IMO every single one of them should be considered a child predator but it is literally a matter of policy (mentioned in the video teachers will be fired if they don't go along with it). What can sane teachers and school administrators even do in a situation like this? Just quit and leave the children alone with only predators? I genuinely don't know what I would do in that situation, I think I would probably have to quit but I wouldn't want to leave the kids alone with a bunch of predators either.
No. 2501662
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reposting here since I think the topic is more relevant itt
My teenage sister is e-dating a TIM larping DID and they've been friends since 2015. I wasn't too skeeved out about it at first and thought she would grow out of it until I learned he recently "identifies" as a woman and the two have been sharing pictures and information about our location after their relationship developed. I dont want to hurt my sister, she has been in this friendship(?)/relationship with this moid for years and were childhood friends (albeit online only) but god I can't imagine what he would do to her should they ever meet up in person. It was already a struggle getting her to desist from identifying as a man (I partially regret being a handmaiden back then and enabling her delusions when she was a kid, it'll be something that will haunt me to this day) since she was an outcast and school and dressed GNC, but I dont know if she could take cutting off her longterm online friendship just because I said so. I fear that when shes eventually old enough to be on her own she'll cut me off because of my "transphobic" beliefs and run off with that fucking TIM. I don't know what to do and I'm so fucking scared for the future, the only thing I can hope for is some falling out, even if it means the TIM revealing his deranged fetish and creeping out my sister, but I'm not even sure if my sister would be able to stand up for herself should he start becoming a sexpest. I'm so fucking scared.
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So are trans men actually men (therefore cannot be lesbians even by TRA standards as a lesbian has to be a non-man loving another non-man) or they not men enough to be a lesbian??
No. 2501698
>>2501662Not sure that I have any specific advice for you anon but can you look at forums for parents of trans kids/ROGD kids for advice? I know some women on mumsnet, in fb groups, etc. used to share advice and tips on how to 'reach' their teenaged children without completely alienating them, and as an older sibling it may be slightly different but probably similar principles would apply. I think you could slip in some earnest questions about their relationship every once in a while without seeming like you're jumping to conclusions - so she knows you're willing to listen to her and hear her out - and don't open with pushing your opinions on her. Try to act interested and find out info from her first. But when a piece of information she gives you seems concerning, you can gently but firmly convey that to her, making it clear it's advice you'd give anyone else too. Even if someone seems to resent '
TERF' relatives a lot while they're young, they're often internalizing and filing away the things their relatives say and they may help them realize troonshit is crazy later, as long as what you say is rational and calm in tone. What led to her desisting?
>>2501692Kek they can never keep their story straight. Are they saying the trans man in the relationship is allowed to call herself a lesbian, but the non-trans woman is not? Like,
>Hi, I'm Bracken. I'm a man, but I'm lesbian. This is my girlfriend Hannah, a straight woman. No. 2501714
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>>2501701I’m glad someone else asked because even if the sister is 18 how did she form a meaningful online friendship at 8 that developed into a relationship? How old is the guy? Do you know for a fact he’s not a catfish and that he actually exists? Even if we ignore that he thinks he’s a woman these are some pretty major red flags
nonny.
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No. 2501950
>>2501947Forgets to mentions that the tranny just got off the carriage and pretended to have the same experience and live the same oppression or even more oppression than the woman who has been treated like a mule throughout their life has.
The true depiction would be tranny sitting alongside the normal scrote while the woman carries them. That’s gender ideology.
No. 2501997
>>2501947hnnnnng this is begging for an edit.
>>2501950tranny sitting alongside the normal scrote yelling at the woman theyre 10x's as oppressed as she is
No. 2502001
>>2501701>>2501714Unfortunately yes, they knew each other since they were kids on roblox, of course making a discord account made it go downhill from there. I dont think hes a catfish considering the images i saw when I snooped her discord logs and it had years of consistent selfies that changed as he aged. I think my parents are aware of them being friends, I regret that they might be lenient with this because I've met and keep in contact with online friends so they might've assumed it was the same with her, not sure if they know he's a TIM and they are dating.
For context, they were friends as kids but began to date when they reached puberty (around 11-13 iirc). Him trooning out was a recent development, hes currently skinwalking a video game character from roblox. Im at a loss of what to do since it feels like its already too late, should I just expose it to my parents? What if she finds a way around her punishment and keeps in touch with him secretly? I just wish he would fuck off and leave my sister alone, he has done irreversible damage to her psyche
No. 2502026
>>2502001nonnie if you already think that your sister has received irreversible damage to her psyche from this dude you have your answer already
honestly telling your parents might be on the table, your sister might be petulant now but if she is 'grounded' or whatever and still chooses to keep in touch with him secretly that's on her, but she very well might not do that
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they’re so close yet so far
No. 2502158
>>2502037Isn’t that the same thing? It’s gay for a man to fuck another man but not-gay for a man to fuck a not-man. So as long as everyone pretends half the men in these relationships are not-men, nobody is gay.
I’ve always wondered about societies like Iran where effeminate homosexual men are forced to transition and can then get married to other men. Are the men in relationships with these feminized men not considered gay? Surely a straight Iranian moid wouldn’t choose to marry a botched man when he can just marry a woman. Any man choosing to marry a TIM over a woman is at least bisexual. How do they decide which of the two men is forced to LARP as a woman and which gets to LARP as a straight man? Is it all about which of them penetrates and which gets penetrated? I’m no expert on gay male relationships but I don’t get the impression it’s always that clear cut.
From a purely pragmatic standpoint, if a homophobic society wanted to eliminate (male) homosexuality entirely it would make much more sense to punish all men who engage in sex acts with other men, yet throughout history it’s only a portion of same-sex attracted men who are targeted in this way while the men who have sex with these men are left alone, despite being just as gay.
>>2501947>>2502096>You’re so lucky you were taught to pull this cart from childhood! I had to learn how to pull carts all by myself on Wikihow last week!he says as he temporarily drops down from the driver’s seat to take a selfie at the bar.
No. 2502160
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I keep seeing this line getting trotted out. They are genuinely so braindead. I’ve seen multiple people claim she’s trying to imitate Andrew Tate in that cigar photo…when she’s literally referencing the a team in her caption. It’s actually scary to see how people will twist themselves into knots to equivocate women’s words with men’s violence. It’s scary that no matter how rationally or objectively you explain it, their hatred is so strong they will always double down. This bullshit has got to be the most immaculately executed psyop in history. It’s actually almost impressive…every day I understand the black pill nonnies more and more. Friends I’ve talked to have agreed with me that nothing JKR has said has been all that bad but they’re all scared to be open about it. I can’t even be that mad at them because I am too. I was already ousted from a friend group back when I lived in a super troon friendly city (austin) and it fucked with me a lot mentally to be treated like a bigger pariah than men who had beaten and raped their girlfriends. Somehow they were always able to find excuses for that…but terfery? Zero tolerance policy
No. 2502170
>>2502130>>2502026I think I'll plan to take her to a cafe and hang out for a bit in the city so we have an opportunity to have a sister to sister talk without our parents interfering. she's still on the fence regarding the gender shit and still owns a troon flag/button pins up before she slightly desisted into identifying with she/they/..it pronouns. I've already told her the horrors of SRS and the health complications from binding too much though it's mostly in relation to TIFs; how would I be able to slide about the reality of TIMs without sounding like an evil bigoted transphobe?
This is online friend is the closest to her only second to family and I'm not sure if she would even pick us over an internet stranger. Im just so frustrated it had to happen to her, I've been complaining about her unrestricted ipad access as a child to my family for years and look what it led up to. I know I'm not one to talk since I was practically raised on a laptop but at least I snapped out of it and realized online friends don't have the same connection as my real life relationships.
No. 2502196
>>2502160>the rape of hundred of thousands of trans people throughout the worldKekk oh my god they really romanticise being oppressed
victims so bad. I’m cringing so hard
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Ovarit just went offline, rip
Will stalk their substack for the archive link.
No. 2502223
>>2502209It does kind of feel like she’s taking her ball and going home. Surely there would have been someone she could trust to continue it? I saw so many long term regular users volunteering to help who I doubt were really secret tranny double agents.
Anyway I feel like a dumbass for never making an account because now there’s no way to follow my favourite posters to the next place since everything’s going private. I’ve been lurking since r/gc and have been a prolific poster here since forever, but there’s no way to prove any of that.
>>2502218Proposed drinking game for the next Trans Day/Week/Month Of Look At Me (whenever that is): take a shot for every trans-identified person on the Trans Genocide
Victim list who was killed by another trans-identified person. Take two shots for every listed TIP who killed another person on the list. Take three shots if they’re listed together with no mention of it being a murder-suicide.
No. 2502232
>>2502218this was literally one of the first anecdotes that caused me to peak. one of my friends from high school trooned out
at the recommendation of a shit-tier court-appointed psychologist. he then went on to move in with a sadomasochistic-themed furry polycule in seattle who made him cook, clean, and fuck in exchange for being permitted to pay rent. when he started saying 'hey i think the doc was wrong, maybe im not trans after all' they kicked him out and made him homeless. these fuckers have no motivation other than entertaining their dicks and if you don't serve them in that regard they will oust you and then villainize you to any 'community' that might linger to help. they want all the benefits of LGB support but will never actually offer that same empathy or support to others. it's like a festering parasite attached to leftie ideology and if you reject the bloodsucking leech, you might as well be sucking Trump's cock for all the regard they will give you from then on.
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Just found out about Zizians, a sort of small cult tied to the "rationalist" movement. In short: vegan techie TIMs who were really scared about evil AI and killed several people about it.
I'm not as extreme as some other farmers when it comes to tranners, like sure I don't believe in gender ideology and I find them cringe but I'm not thinking of them 24/7. However TIMs in tech are truly some of the most disgusting people to walk this earth. How do they manage to be so much worse than one could even imagine? Like yeah yeah all trannies are bad, but what makes those in tech so deeply depraved?
No. 2502256
>>2502223>proposed drinking gameSecret handmaiden plot to kill us via alcohol poisoning, I'm onto you
mods this is a joke, no ban pleaseIn all seriousness, there should be a bonus round for every trans person who gets their ass beat or killed because they attempted rape by deception.
No. 2502281
>>2502160>the murder of hundred of thousands of trans people throughout the worldAh yes, it seems like every week a tranny is beaten to death with a copy of Harry Potter by a rad fem while she swears upon
TERF Hogwarts that she will exorcise this dementor from the wizarding world
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No. 2502301
>>2502288As if most non binary people, or should I say women, didn't look 100% like a woman and therefore, anyone would assume them a woman.
I really don't understand the weird gymnastics of this type of people.
No. 2502323
>>2502313Oh yeah, she's got a point for sure. But it's like they realise society's rules for women are bullshit and STILL miss the forest for the trees, if that makes sense, because they go "if you don't want to live under the patriarchy then clearly it's a
you problem and you should just opt out of being a woman."
No. 2502369
>>2502354I think it has something to do with agp vs hsts and the fact that AGPs are mostly white.
HSTSs actually make an effort to try and look femenine and desirable for the straight moids they are trying to attract, while AGPs are autistic straight moids that have no sense of personal hygiene and can't form a cohesive and aesthetic outfit to save their lives. HSTSs are also a lot more common on 3rd world, non-white, countries, AGP troons are a product of a priviliged comfortable suburban life.
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>>2502372In the video there were multiple non-white trannies, not just him. I don’t believe it’s his race either and I agree it’s probably that non-white TIMs that wouldn’t pass well are more likely to get hatecrimed or other bad experiences.
It’s not his age, picrel is also 21, as are a lot of other popular troons
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>>2500297Non-white troons don't pass better than white troons, like the other nonas said it's mostly a culture and numbers game with white people coming out on top. Troonism is already luxury belief, low-effort troonism is a SUPER luxury belief, and the places where shameless troonism is most popular also have a white majority (America, UK, Europe etc). You're probably also seeing the most troons coming from the english/western side of the internet. If you go look at a South African or SEA transgender group, you'd notice that they put in more effort because of how risky it is to not "pass", but you'd be able to notice the sex differences easily even if you didn't grow up in a mixed area. Hijiras are also a good example because they're all busted and obviously male KEK.
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>>2501947i like how they made the troon black in their new revised version to feign racism lmao
No. 2502450
>>2502041Actually Pope Francis has approved of trans people explicitly multiple times throughout his life, he's also not a 'humble pope' he was a total evil piece of shit, directly personally involved in pedophilia coverups and friends with known pedos (unlike the previous pope) and it goes on. This troon is correct that Pope Francis has basically said 'troons are
valid' several times (told trans people in a speech 'god loves you as you are') but 'gay marriage is not
valid and homosexuality is sin.' Anyway who cares what that dead fucker thinks, he was one of the most evil people alive. Troons get to be proud that the pro-pedo pope semi-approves of them I guess.
>>2502158In many islamic/middle eastern/south asian societies men are not considered gay for 'penetrating' young boys and effeminate men, correct. They don't have a concept of gay like we do in the west, since their culture around sex is one of total dehumanization of the 'receiving' sexual partner. What you're saying is an extremely modern Western concept of homosexuality that's underpinned by respect for the equality of women.
>>2502160>I was already ousted from a friend group back when I lived in a super troon friendly city (austin) and it fucked with me a lot mentally to be treated like a bigger pariah than men who had beaten and raped their girlfriends. This must have been hard to go through but I'm glad you got away from those people, you did not lose anyone/anything of value and they just pre-emptively freed you from having to be friends with them. Now you know your "friends" were pro rape. I've had similar experiences because of airing my views but I will always think it was worth it to discover what the people around me were really like.
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>>2502433The true version of this would be:
>troon initially gets same rations as man>troon eats majority of his cake (like a fatass)>troon claims he got the same amount of cake as woman>troon demands more cake (like a fatass) No. 2502477
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I'm going to have to censor a lot of this because this is such a niche interest that it might identify me (and also this is really gross).
So there's a show I like about three women who escape a brothel in Spain and are being chased by the owners in a cat and mouse action sort of style and it's particularly gory. While people think the show is gratuitous if anything I think it shows some of the realities of sex trafficking and just how much torture these women go through being trapped there. i like the show because the main three women are so cool, they end up finding freedom, and I also just love the guns and neon lights.
Anyway I go on tumblr to look through the tags and I find picrel. This troon really said I want to be tortured in the brothel this entire show goes out of its way to show exploits, trafficks and abuses women. I'm so fucking disgusted.
There's scenes such as killing one of the women and burying her when she doesn't comply. Getting a wrench and pinching and twisting a woman's nipples in front of the other women as a warning sign. Forcing a woman to get a painful boob job so she can attract more clients. It's gut wrenching, disgusting and of course this troon fetishizes it. Of course he thinks that what he just witnessed was sexy instead of the terrifying reality that it is. I'm so sickened.
Oops reposting bc forgot spoiler.
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idk if this is the right thread for this, so i'm saging.
an internet friend of mine who i bonded with because we're the only lesbians over 25 in our small niche fandom, finally dropped enough hints about their girlfriend for me to be able to google her (first name, job title, which uni they work for). and THIS is the "girlfriend"?!?!? i've been bonding with this lady about how isolating being a lesbian is for YEARS and now i find out she's fucking not only a dude, but the creepiest looking dude i've seen in a long time lmao.
i legit don't even know what to say to her now. i'm not an overly sensitive person or anything but i kinda feel insulted that all this time she was pretending to be a dyke while this hideous beast was in her bed?!?
No. 2502499
>>2501404>Just because you wouldn't fuck an extremely mannish roided woman doesn't mean you then have to fuck a feminine man instead, you can just not date or sleep with either. It's not a gotcha that most men wouldn't want to sleep with Buck AngelExactly, that's why I was surprised to see someone on the GC side try to make that argument (even just for laughs), it's like showing any ugly woman to a man and saying "haha you wouldn't fuck her right?". Doesn't really prove anything. Then again the GC person in question is a male so I shouldn't expect too much.
>Arresting people for using "wrong" pronouns can only happen under a paradigm where those men are considered, legally, women, otherwise using wrong pronouns could not be considered discrimination. Usually, gender identity and sex are considered two different protected characteristics in anti-discrimination laws. Of course, gender identity doesn't actually mean anything, but it could be argued that using "preferred pronouns" is just a matter of respecting someone's gender identity; it doesn't determine their legal sex, because even trannies who haven't gone through a "sex change" (legally or medically) can decide to identify as trans, and I doubt that a non-trans person (someone who doesn't claim to have a gender identity) could get anyone arrested for using pronouns that don't match their actual sex. In any case, you definitely know much more than me about the consequences of gender ideology in the UK so I stand corrected and I'm glad the tide is turning.
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TIFs will see TIMs throw them under the bus in real time and still not peak.
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Wss not expecting to see this kind of pushback on reddit
No. 2502544
>>2502160Why is he saying that Tate trafficks women regardless of their troon status? Is he implying that he's less bigoted somehow for trafficking indiscriminately? And why tf is the predditor lying about
hundreds of thousands of troons
murdered due to JKR
worldwide?? He can't even come up with an accusation that might sound slightly realistic to handmaidens, he's that disconnected from reality. Scary
>>2502223Same nonna, I stayed a lurker for all these years and regret it. I tried requesting a code via email one time but never got a reply and didn't insist. Oh well. I'm hoping something new will replace Ovarit one day…
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>>2502544Poor
nonny, I emailed them a couple years ago with the format they asked (wrote a mini essay describing why trans ideology is misogynistic bs) and promptly got a code. Maybe they became less accepting of new members because of all the attempted infiltration by TRAs?
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A tranny getting raped by another tranny isn’t female crime, this shows how gender ideology skews important data. It’s not that women are suddenly becoming more violent, it’s literally men.
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I peeped the new tactic too. They are trying to use their Trojan horse once again.
No. 2502620
>>2502223Don't worry, even if you made an account they might have just banned you from the site for disagreeing with a mod on something insignificant one time anyway. Ovarit failing was an inevitability the way it was run, sadly.
>>2502288KEK that she thinks she'll be 'punished' for not shaving and not wearing makeup and lose her community, where does she live Saudi Arabia? What community will she suddenly get to accept her by changing her pronouns?
No. 2502623
>>2502479I don't understand what women get out of faking their sexuality this way around lesbians (or anyone, really, but especially lesbians or bisexual women). How can you spend years bonding over something that is not only not true but is the literal opposite of true and not feel like a creep and a fraud? Anyway I second what
>>2502494 said, call her out for being a creepy lesbian-fetishizing straight woman and never speak to her again.
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>>2502499AYRT and I know that they are sometimes considered separate, but functionally they haven't been considered separate in UK law for a few years now. Both sex and gender protections are for gender, neither has been for sex. The 'single sex' wards in NHS hospitals and clinics were actually 'single gender' mixed-sex wards (and even when the NHS claimed it would implement single sex wards forreal forreal a couple years ago, they continued to be mixed sex wards), Maya Forstader was fired for saying biological sex exists years ago now, etc. (yes I know she eventually won her case in an employment tribunal but only on the basis that believing in biosex is a deeply held religious/philosophical belief, so basically 'biosex is real' was turned into a false but allowable religious argument by the courts). And she lost the first case anyway, she literally only won on appeal (picrel).
The whole 'well it says sex AND gender in some legislation' argument that I see invoked by many people falls apart when you realize that legally gender overrides sex, and legally people could change their sex markers on their documents anyway, so the word sex in the legislation was functionally meaningless. I understand why people have this mistaken belief that 'both gender and sex are protected characteristics under current British (or US, or Canadian) law' because they see the 'sex' word somewhere in the legislation, but that's actually functionally incorrect. There are not any legal frameworks in which actual legal sex has been recognized in the Anglosphere over the past half decade to decade at least. Like you said, a person does have to claim a gender identity to get another person arrested for using 'wrong' pronouns, but that's the thing, even if the person using the 'wrong' pronouns says 'I am using pronouns to refer to sex, not gender identity,' they still get arrested or sued or whatever successfully. There is no such thing as a single sex publicly funded rape shelter or prison in the UK, and there hasn't been in a long time. The list goes on. If you can't legally have single sex spaces than saying 'sex discrimination isn't allowed' in a piece of legislation doesn't really mean your country recognizes biosex.
No. 2502649
>>2502620>What community will she suddenly get to accept her by changing her pronouns?Exactly kek, there's no way that a community that rejects you simply for not shaving will take your newfound gender identity seriously. In both cases she has to change her community entirely. Guess she wanted some attention on top of her freedom
>>2502623Nta but I think most handmaidens identify as lesbians to please their tranny bf and friends (these types must be surrounded by queerios) but still, I agree that at least in private conversations, they could signal that they are in fact dating trannies which could lead to a
slightly different experience. But then again, what if they confess that to a fellow larping spicy straight and get outted as a transphobe? This whole thing sounds miserable honestly. Everything down to their identity and friends is a lie
No. 2502657
>>2502649>there's no way that a community that rejects you simply for not shaving will take your newfound gender identity seriously.Yeah that's the weirdest part of the post to me even if I ignore the offensive "do woman things," the only communities I could see ousting you for going makeup-free are incredibly conservative, probably non-western ones that almost certainly wouldn't accept a nonbinary gender identity as real, or maybe certain seedy 'careers' that are sex work or sex-work-adjacent. The communities that want to police women's appearances that strongly do it as a form of control and domination over the female sex so they wouldn't be fans of you getting to 'opt out,' the whole point of the humiliation ritual is that you can't opt out, like hijab.
>at least in private conversations, they could signal that they are in fact dating trannies … (but) what if they confess that to a fellow larping spicy straight and get outted as a transphobe? I don't think they would get outed as a transphobe just for talking about their partner's gender. They could just not use the lesbian label at all, and say something like 'I'm dating a nonbinary trans partner.' It's not like declaring your sexuality just casually comes up in conversations and you have to declare what sexuality you are, so if you choose to share it it's always a choice. I don't believe it is because of fear of retribution at all, it's an intentional deception.
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>>2502556>carriage gets in front of a tall hill>gets back onto the carriage once things get too difficult>"hey why the fuck did you go back up there?">man notices he's sitting with a tranny faggot in a dress and goes into a blind rage>tranny gets kicked out of the carriage or forced to stay in and blames the woman anyway>its her fault the man doesn't feel safe to admit he's riding a carriage with a troon or something>the woman still has to drag possibly two idiots up the hill>tranny comes back after the descent and pretends as if he's been helping all along>"what the fuck? you're not a woman">his feelings are really really hurt that he didn't get to climb up that hill please understandok
No. 2502683
>>2502486I’d appreciate that very much,
nonny! Maybe I could get farmhands to send me a printout of my post history here as collateral kek (this is a joke farmhands pls don’t do this)
>>2502596It’s such a sudden pivot, too, that doesn’t feel remotely organic. Five seconds ago all the TRAs I know were saying that calling TIMs ‘dolls’ is deeply offensive because it implies they’re plastic facsimiles of real women (should’ve showed them that Hari Nef Barbie letter), and/or that it only applies to a tiny subset of HSTS from the ballroom scene and that nobody else is allowed to use it. Now ‘cis’ Hollywood men are using it as a blanket term for all TIMs and suddenly it’s woke again because uhh it just is, ok
>>2502678My first IRL troon was an Alice! The first one who went through the trouble of medicalising himself and having his documentation changed, anyway. He was over six feet tall with bright fuchsia hair, a raging personality disorder and a sexual fixation with multiple different girls in that social group which he wasn’t exactly subtle about. Threatened to kill a few of them when they asked him to tone it down a bit pls oh
valid queen. This was like a decade ago. Good times.
No. 2502696
>>2502657>It's not like declaring your sexuality just casually comes up in conversations and you have to declare what sexuality you areI mean, whatever is normal to us isn't to gendies, especially younger ones. In their world, it is common to put a disclaimer about their pronouns, sexual orientation and medical diagnostics on all their socials, and to be mindful about not doing anything that could be considered
problematic including disrespecting someone else's labels. I agree with you though that deep down most gendies must be well aware that they're lying and doing so willingly. It's also probably why a lot of them like to use vague terms (queer, neurodivergent) that nobody can contest or question.
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>>2502596Kek AGPs are calling themselves dolls a lot now too as a fetish in the same vein as the puppy bullshit, I hope AGPs ruin the movement's PR because they can't keep it in their pants yet again.
No. 2502778
>>2502765>dog furry >transbianMany such sad cases.
These weirdos need to leave dogs alone. I absolutely wouldn't leave my dog alone with a furry let alone a troon furry because who tf knows what they'd do to them.
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>>2502596Didn't even know about the dolls thing until I saw this.
No. 2502809
>>2502800'not a doll' or 'not your doll' is a slogan that has been around and associated with feminism and anti-objectification long before troons started using the term.
Now, because of men who
want to be sexually objectified women and use that term of objectification to describe themselves, it is apparently offensive for actual women to use the terminology THEY coined to refer to THEIR treatment at the hands of men. All it took was those men insisting that they were secretly women on the inside and they now get to tell women how to think, act and speak, with zero pushback, maybe even some praise and flattery for 'educating' these silly cis women on how to refer to themselves. All according to keikaku.
No. 2502931
>>2502805It’s not a big deal for us because we know we are women and don’t need any affirmation for that. If I get called a scrote I will just find the other person retarded.
But imagine if you have spent effort and money on your mask, maybe even shaved your face bones to be “feminine”, trained yourself to “move like a woman” and “behave like a woman” and yet your carefully crafted disguise gets called out kek.
No. 2502932
>>2502800Slightly off topic, but why do the exact same people who screech about anti-imperialism and respecting cultures always throw a fit when the rest of the world isn't like America? Also the fact it's a beautiful woman paired with these messages is definitely the part that's
triggering them the most.
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What trannies think a woman is like:
>>2502354What being a woman is actually like:
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Monday: get agonising period pains and need opiate level painkillers to control them
Tuesday: get raped in a bar
Wednesday: get domestically abused and police do absolutely nothing
Thursday: get paid less for the same work than your male superiors
Friday: do all the housework and childcare despite working the same hours as your shit forbrains husband
Saturday: get left by your husband of 20 years for a woman half your age
Sunday: be relentlessly picked apart by other women and expect absolutely zero solidarity or compassion from them (especially if they fancy your Nigel)(Blackpill outside of containment)
No. 2503112
>>2503044NTA but I agree with both of you and personally I would attribute this largely to the fact that so much of life (social life especially) has gone online which has shifted 'identity' from something that is based in lived reality and other people's perceptions of you, to something that you declare about yourself because people are only seeing a curated and formalized version of you through a screen. When people don't really know each other in a real way, like by actually perceiving each other's irl actions on a daily basis, seeing each other in various social settings, etc. and they only know you through what you choose to say about yourself on your social media account or blog, the onus shifts to the individual to try to signal to others how they should be perceived up front. This means that people feel the need to work out an identity they want to be perceived as beforehand, and instruct people to see them that way. It really undercuts authenticity because once you've told people to 'think of me as x, y and z' you then feel like you need to Perform the Identity rather than just… being yourself and letting people figure out how they want to see you based on that. Most people actually don't have a very good sense of who they are or how other people see them, and they definitely don't have a good sense of who they are if they're not testing it in reality.
Related to this topic there was recently this Jubilee video of Michael Knowles debating troon activists that went viral because of how dumb the troon arguments were (vidrel). Most of us here would disagree with some of his debate points (like being against gay marriage) but the two topics in the middle about trans identity he obviously won easily and the troons didn't even push back on his weaker/more objectionable points like 'you should make your gender stereotypes/expression match your sex.' But one moid in particular came out swinging from the beginning with this retarded, embarrassing 'umm I'm going to call you Mindy, you're a woman, how can you prove your name is Michael?' argument that he kept up every time he went up to debate Knowles, and it just came off as incredibly embarrassing because Knowles just seemed bemused, not offended, and it made the other guy look like a crazy person. TRAs seem to legitimately not understand that for normal people who don't believe in gender identities, telling them things you don't believe like 'I think you're a woman' to an obvious man or 'I don't believe you about what your name is' just makes you look schizo and isn't offensive to them at all, at worst it's confusing. It also showcases that their argument they will lillerally die and it's lillerally violence to deadname/misgender someone is a load of crap because they instantly do it to anyone they dislike/disagree with. He kept fucking up his own bit and accidentally calling Knowles 'Michael' anyway, then tried to gotcha him saying most people can easily recognize another person's sex with 'I have XX chromosomes, now what?' to which Knowles was basically just like 'hmm I don't believe you but I'll defer judgment if you say so. You look male.' They always think they have some gotcha with misgendering someone or trying to prove they can confuse someone about what sex they are but when even that doesn't work they just chimp out with rage, which is what he ended up doing in the post-debate interview. Like no, retard, this conservative middle aged man with multiple children isn't afraid of your spooky misgendering because he and everyone else around him knows he's male, that's the whole point. Neither do the GNC butch lesbians who are told 'someone might think you're male if they just see your clothes and haircut!' They can't think of a better argument because, like you said, their identity is built around perception by an imaginary audience they're performing for and they don't get that mentally healthy people grow past that in their teens and develop authentic identities.
No. 2503211
>>2503112How come it's 25 troons vs 1 conservacuck? Give me 26 troons vs
terf (probably with a bodyguard because the tims will try to physically harm her). Conservatives are obnoxious and retarded. Give me a feminist calling them all misogynist homophobes.
No. 2503225
>>2503211We all know trannies wouldn’t be able to have a civil conversations without screeching that the
TERF is committing transgenocide and therefore deserves to be a walking pregnant cow for the conservatives since she is reducing women to their genitals!!
No. 2503227
>>2503211>26 troons vs 1 terfmaybe with tifs, a room of 26 TIMs sounds like a nightmare scenario. don't underestimate moid solidarity when they have a shared cause,
especially when their foil is outnumbered in a room with other sex-pest degenerate freaks.
No. 2503228
>>2503211Jubilee's videos are usually very deliberately partisan, non-intellectual clickbait so I don't think they would ever do something as nuanced as having a
TERF on their shows (also I think most American leftists hate radfems more than they hate conservatives). They have done a bunch of these with popular media personalities like Destiny, Charlie Kirk, etc. to engagement bait. I usually can't even make it through 10 minutes of these videos without ragequitting because of all the retarded screeching but I actually got through this whole video because Knowles was calm enough in it to just let most of the TRAs hang themselves with their own rope and it was very interesting to see what kinds of arguments they think are their 'stronger' arguments, like I said above they didn't even push back against Knowles supporting restrictive gender roles but they pushed back against a bunch of simple facts he stated and like 95% of the fact checks they do BTFO'd the troons. The one lesbian woman who came up to talk to him and agreed with him that pride parades have gotten too degenerate and sexual and should tone it down instantly got voted off by all the other 'LGBTQ' activists while they made sour faces at her lmfao, and the comments are full of people pointing this out so she singlehandedly scored a point in favor of 'lesbians are sane and troons/gay men hate them for it' just by being kind of normal for 1-2 minutes.
One of the most telling things in the video is all the trannoids who went up to talk to Knowles would get
triggered by him saying they aren't women to such a degree that they all had that switch turn on in real time, you know the one, where the guy goes from acting all ditzy and valleygirl to cold seething violent rage. I've never seen so many instances of it in a single video before. The troons only wanted to talk about themselves and the gay/bi men mostly talked about troons as well (there were a couple gay guys who actually advocated for gay marriage/relationships but the rest, like the aforementioned 'Mindy' moid, used the gay marriage segment to talk about troonism for half the time instead). I think it's honestly better that they didn't subject a woman to a group of mostly seething violent men, and as much as I disagree with many of Knowles' views, he didn't have to do much to showcase how angry and selfish these moids are.
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Im so glad she speaks out on this too many famous moids are just cowards bending the knee to troons.
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I’ll never forgive the Jan of ovaries for giving these retards a “win”, she could have given the forum to someone else.
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So david tennant is trending yet again over here for his trans shit but I find it funny hes so weak when it actually comes to it. Im glad to see more and more people calling out tennant for being a overhyped mediocre moid.
No. 2503386
>>2503370This is so dumb. The culture war is shifting against troons and the ovarit shutdown doesn't appear to have anything to do with public opinion, it's just girl_undone being burnt out/bored/whatever. Do the troons who write these headlines seriously not see how normie culture is turning against them in real time?
>>2503376Kek I love how he just caved immediately.
No. 2503400
>>2503386They thought that all TERFs are on ovarit but forgot that it takes a bit of exposure for the average person to start caring about trannies and becoming “
TERF”, aka not believing their bullshit. You don’t even need to be a feminist or a woman to be one nowadays kek, even my cat is a
terf.
No. 2503432
>>2503370They shouldn't celebrate ovarit leaving. I have noticed a HUGE uptick in
TERF rhetoric on tumblr and reddit.
Maybe the tiny site with 100 users is gone, but mainstream internet with hundreds of thousands of normies are starting to realize all these troons want is to rape their kids.
No. 2503458
>>2503376Kekkk, ironically I think saying he bears no ill will towards her might be what gets him cancelled with the troons. They cannot stand when they're civil towards a gc woman, let alone the
terf queen herself. To them it's either threatening to throw acid at us or you're a bigot.
>>2503392Kind of impossible for it to be any other way, he literally looks like a corpse. I still remember that hilarious cartoonish depiction of him someone drew where he looked like a skeleton in a trans shirt.
>>2503432And the more they censor us, the more people are gonna peak. Female reddit users seem to be absolutely done with them, it's actually hilarious seeing them grow from polite handmaidens confused over why it's bigoted to say lesbians don't like dick to full blown proud terves telling troons to %41. That'll teach redditrannies to restrict free speech.
No. 2503464
>>2503458>it's actually hilarious seeing them grow from polite handmaidens confused over why it's bigoted to say lesbians don't like dick to full blown proud terves telling troons to %41. That'll teach redditrannies to restrict free speech.The thing is that people are very complacent about having their speech restricted when they don't notice/the speech restrictions aren't directed at them. So when your average handmaiden was barely thinking about/discussing this issue beyond the occasional obligatory 'TWAW!' comment they didn't have a chance to become upset or angry because it wasn't them being silenced. As soon as you are the one being silenced, and especially silenced repeatedly, over minor shit you say it starts to make you really mad even if you weren't originally passionate about a certain issue, because it feels unfair and it feels like systemic suppression. Most women in the modern era don't prefer to think of themselves as
victims all the time, but we are aware when we seem to be systematically victimized by moids. I think a lot of handmaidens probably never would have peaked were it not for them accidentally saying something slightly, accidentally GC on websites like Reddit and then getting smacked down with long-term bans and repeated post deletions. The troons are killing their own movement by being so insanely censorious, it's the same with JKR. A lot of women didn't even agree with her but started to take notice and become disturbed at the hatred leveled at her by troons. They don't realize they are hurting their own cause by being so hardline and censoring debate in this way, but most people, no matter how meek and accommodating, will start to accrue simmering rage once they've noticed they're systematically silenced for milquetoast casual takes on social media websites.
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>>2502556Here a more accurate one
No. 2503562
>>2503464AYRT, spot on.
>I think a lot of handmaidens probably never would have peaked were it not for them accidentally saying something slightly, accidentally GC on websites like Reddit and then getting smacked down with long-term bans and repeated post deletions.It's especially crazy remembering this was the case for JKR, too. Not exactly with bans and deletions, but the amount of backlash she got from her huge audience of adult autists that hadn't gotten over a children's book. People tend to forget, but she went from extremely pro-troon co-signing Hermionie is trans headcanons, to tolerating them and sending them love but setting some boundaries regarding sex-based oppression, to unapologetic
terf getting the law of their nightmares passed in the UK. They peaked her in record time and only have themselves to blame. Poor lady didn't even know what AGP was at the beginning of this journey kek.
No. 2503589
>>2503537Do you really think your gendie-hating ex would retributively out you just because you broke up? I would assume that he would not do that if he shares your views, unless he's a bippie or something. If his rage at you overrides his principles he might out you, but typically I think moids who find women 'allied' with them on political stuff usually try to protect the political alliance whether they like you personally or not. I would only worry if he's more vengeful than he is politically principled (also I think moids don't realize how dangerous it is for women to be terves since it's easier for them).
>>2503562Yeah I was already a
TERF years before the JKR stuff started and I remember not getting why other GC women were championing her so much at first because I felt like what she said was really meek, wishy-washy and barely GC at all. My assumption was that she accidentally stepped in shit and would probably walk it back once she realized how much hate she would get for it, because the first posts she made for the topic were like 90% pro-troon and only 10% GC. I was pleasantly surprised that she turned into a full blown
TERF proselytizer, and you're probably correct that part of the reason why is the unprecedented moid rage directed at her for just making mildly pro-woman comments. Around the time I first peaked, the same happened to Chiminanda Ngozi Adichie, who made some 'TWAW but we don't experience all the same issues like menstruation huts in Nigeria' statement and got dogpiled so hard she ended up lashing out at TIMs and doubling down. Any woman who has been subjected to a campaign of TIM rage knows it's the best peaking material.
I myself was a GCer who was willing to throw a bone to HSTS moids and 'show them some courtesy because they're not sexually predatory like AGPs.' A year or two after I peaked I posted on social media about the Jonathan Yaniv situation saying that the Canadian government should leave poor immigrant women alone and not force them to wax Yaniv's balls, I didn't say anything about trans identity at all just mentioned that Yaniv was an obvious predator targeting minority women. My 'harmless' HSTS friend had a full blown insane vitriolic spergout all over my facebook comments, calling me a cunt and murderous transphobe, etc. while I played dumb and after that I never caped for an HSTS ever again. They are literally their own worst enemies.
No. 2503605
>>2503112Nta and I have nothing to add but your analysis is on point. I can't watch the video sadly because from what you're describing, the secondhand embarrassment will be too much for me kek. I wish I could enjoy tranny debates but they always make me pause the video in intense embarrassment for them
>>2503386My thought exactly. How is Ovarit shutting down a "meaningful shift in online culture war" lmao, who tf even knows about Ovarit. Insane cope
>>2503464>As soon as you are the one being silenced over minor shit you say it starts to make you really mad even if you weren't originally passionate about a certain issueI don't understand how they still haven't realized this. They like to call GC women "obsessed" for having created their own communities or even entire sites to talk about troon shit, but none of this would have happened if TRAs had let people make mild GC comments on mainstream social media such as "people can't change their sex". The crazy censorship and double standards is what caused people to be "obsessed", if that's how these manipulative retards want to call it.
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This shit is so retarded. The implication of all these "this is who they want in men's/ women's bathrooms/ prisons" posts is that they shouldn't be in the correct facility for their sex because they LOOK like the opposite sex.
Not even accounting for the fact that passing trans people are the minority.
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Interesting thread on /ttt/
boards.4chan.org/lgbt/thread/39535716
No. 2503656
>>2503644Everyone on /tttt/ is a retarded coping moid with the same braindead npc gooner takes. I guarantee there's nothing "interesting" going on in that thread. But I'm drunk so I'll opine here.
The reason "gay rights won" is because there was an actual outcome that could be achieved – specifically, the legalization of gay marriage. Legal advocacy groups waited years and spent millions of dollars seeking out the perfect plaintiffs who would be maximally sympathetic and have the strongest legal case for challenging the constitutionality of laws that prohibited gay marriage. That's why "gay rights won." But homophobia is still rampant, it's not like everything is sunshine and roses for gay people now. It's just that one legal outcome was achieved.
By contrast, there's no discrete legal victories that trannies can obtain. Unlike law prohibiting gay marriage, there are no laws prohibiting trannyism that need to be challenged or defeated, so there's nothing to "win."
Also, homosexuality and tranny shit are completely distinct because being gay is an innate, private, personal attraction to the same sex. If someone says to a gay person, "you're not gay," it doesn't change anything. The gay person is still gay. But tranny shit is all about forcing the rest of the world to affirm your worldview and validate your delusions. If you say to a tranny, "no, you're not a woman," their entire identity has failed and is ruined. Instead of being a personal, private, independent thing, trannyism revolves around how the rest of the world perceives you, not about who you intrinsically are. Trannies literally would have to convince every single person on the earth to ignore reality in order to "win," whereas gay people "win" so long as they get to exist and date/marry who they want and not be murdered/harassed for it.
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>>2503644>Most people and most scientists think that male troons literally become women, only retarded creationist Christians believe in binary sexInsanely delusional. TRAs aren't afraid of being all out of arguments because they can just make the wildest claims, and with such confidence, it's fascinating. I'm afraid parroting "y-yeah TWAW" to avoid being fired in pro-troon Western countries does not count as ~people and scientists~ actually believing that changing sex is possible, but whatever you say hon.
No. 2503756
>>2503717Males are autistic as fuck and a lot of troons have actual autism, so it wouldn't surprise me if they really believed that other people really mean everything they say. But given how narcissistic and delusional they are, they're probably aware on some level that all those supposedly supportive people do not actually believe in gender nonsense and are just being pressured, but they don't care and choose to interpret things in a more convenient way. Or worse yet, they actively get off to the fact that so many people in important fields are being forced to publicly support gender shit.
They also actively lie, as demonstrated by the tranny in your screenshot.
>the people who most use the term "biological sex" are not in fact biologists, but are people who believe that the earth is 4000 years oldThis is a vile lie. They probably dismiss all the scientists and doctors who still use that term as religious right-wing fascists, so they "don't count". All the normal people who see trannies as mentally ill gay people or perverts with issues are dismissed as evil
TERF fascists with a genocidal agenda. And of course, all those people in academia and science and medicine who are silenced for daring to oppose the troon agenda are seen as trans wins and ignored.
>>2503112>personally I would attribute this largely to the fact that so much of life (social life especially) has gone online which has shifted 'identity' from something that is based in lived reality and other people's perceptions of you, to something that you declare about yourself because people are only seeing a curated and formalized version of you through a screenThis reminds me of that Skirt Go Spinny doc about that rich mad scientist tranner that loves transhumanism. Unfortunately, it seems that humanity is headed that way since our most rich and powerful are making it happen. People becoming detached from reality, basing their identity on what they consoom and living through their phones and the internet (to be sold products and be manipulated more easily) is only the first step.
No. 2503857
>>2503717>Why are doctors and scientists so much more likely to say that trans women are women, while religious cultists say the opposite?Troons can say this with a straight face because they accuse all dissenting scientists of being religious nuts. Ergo, their enemies are "religious cultists."
An example: Evolutionary biologist Jerry Coyne got censored by an atheist org for writing a rebuttal to a they/them. He's a staunch atheist but even he could not escape being accused of espousing far-right Christian nationalism by the same atheist org he was an honorary board member of.
No. 2503893
>>2503605AYRT I highly encourage watching it (if you can get past the conservatard talking points) just for all the seething troon rage. Best video example of troon serial killer face I've seen in a long time tbh and most of it seems to come from HSTSes.
>The crazy censorship and double standards is what causThey can't stop fucking over their own movement due to their own navel gazing narcissism. I have no other explanation for it. Most other activists, no matter how self-absorbed, have some vague sense of 'optics' but these current TRA moids are too autistic or narcissistic to even begin to comprehend that no one likes being constantly harangued, browbeaten and insulted, not even the most devoted handmaiden. If they could lay off the 24/7 assault of 'we're more woman than real women' and 'we have more painful periods than female periods' maybe some women would still be on their side but they are too self absorbed to ever stop and take their bearings, so they just press forth, alienating everyone in their surroundings, until 99% of people vitriolically despise them and then play the
victim. I encourage it, personally, it will lead women to peak faster en masse. There is only so much the average normie or even dedicated libfem can take of 'shut up cis vagina haver, you don't know ANYTHING about womanhood' before they tap out.
>>2503622I don't know what gay men find so objectionable about rooming with other men after they deliberately bimbo-ify themselves to appeal to other creepy men. Isn't this what they wanted?
No. 2503931
>>2503656As someone who was old enough to have political opinions at the time of gay marriage legalization, I think the gay rights movement itself kind of shot itself in the foot with
>gay moids acquiring children they aren't interested in raising through surrogacy/female exploitation and posting it all over the internet (and some of these moids being outed as child abusers)>ignoring lesbians, the more socially acceptable gays, because fuck women>trying to make drag, and then drag for children, and then drag for childen by pedophiles, the next big media/cultural phenom>insisting upon centering kink and exhibitionism at public pride parades>thinking they got theirs and promoting troons as aggressively as possible (yes I know some gay men are against this but most appear not to be, at least when looking at the aggregate of gay rights organizations and their messaging). If gay moids had forefronted lesbians and followed lesbians' lead on child safeguarding, consent, not letting troons into LGB spaces, minimizing the prominence of kink/poly/whatever in public pride displayes, etc. there wouldn't be so much clapback at 'gay rights (which these days mostly means troon rights anyway)' but not only did troons try to ride on the coattails of the LGB movement, the Gs in the LGB movement happily embraced the TQ, polyamory shilling, etc. You're right that troons can't obtain any discrete and legitimate legal victories like gay marriage, but it doesn't help that gay moids are constantly promoting troon rights either. I'm LGB myself but whenever I promote 'drop the T' rhetoric around gay males they lash out at me, call me a bigot, censor me if it's in online spaces, etc. Gay moids don't have to deal with cotton ceiling shit and they just don't care about lesbians and they see troon males as an extension of drag queens so the male-run gay advocacy orgs brought this upon themselves.
>trannyism revolves around how the rest of the world perceives you, not about who you intrinsically are.I'll probably get called bigoted for this but the more I see modern gay moid activism the more I think it's the same for them. They could have just cooperated with lesbians and bisexual women and taken their marriage and legitimate partnerships and ran with them but instead, they had to make Pride a public spectacle of degeneracy to show the normies how superior pup play and furfaggotry is to vanilla straight boredom. I'm not saying all gay men are like this, I actually have quite a lot of gay male friends who aren't, but that's what the loudest voices in the movement look like and it's going to cause a horrific backlash. I've never had a straight woman ever question my sexuality the way gay moids do, they personally tell SSA women that we should fuck male troons because they're girlbrained. I know some people will always be homophobic bigots but I genuinely believe homophobia would be at least halved if everyone's impression of a homosexual was your average lesbian activist rather than the gay moids who always seem to publicly represent the LGB. Even my severely homophobic mom is usually fond of lesbians when she meets them.
>>2503679Yeah if all the 'totally passing irl' troons had just stuck to sneaking into women's bathrooms and refuges where they insist they pass, they'd be fine now. But when they say that you know it's a lie, otherwise they wouldn't keep insisting upon specific rules about how women aren't allowed to clock them.
>>2503709Hate to break it to you nonna but Honter is an AGP.
No. 2503974
>>2503893Anon I started watching it and to my surprise I felt embarrassed for the conservatard instead…
>Same sex marriage does not exist. (…) The State pretends that two men can be married.>You think you're married but you're not, you're just in a relationship with a man.?? This is so retarded. Marriage is an institution created by humans so we can do whatever we want with it. This has got to be the worst argument against same sex marriage kek. The tranny seething is pleasant though I agree. The tranny trying to "misgender" the conservatard is so ridiculous. It would be sooo much better if they faced a
terf though (surrounded by security guards).
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>>2503709I have sympathy for Ellen and Jazz because they are both the obvious result of severe child abuse.
Honter is just another misogynist perv.
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Good thing that now only feminine dainty bitches can use female only spaces because gnc women are men. Fuck you all, get raped by trannies(lost retard)
No. 2504090
>>2503717Someone needs to tell this coping tranny about Richard Dawkins' latest remarks about transgenderism, I'd be curious to see how he struggles to dismiss the opinion of someone who is not only one of the most authoritative figures in biology but is far better known for being a super outspoken atheist kek.
>>2503931>the more I see modern gay moid activism the more I think it's the same for themAyrt and I completely agree. Gay moids have all the same narcissistic posturing and need for male approval that straight moids have, only without the mitigating fear of being seen as faggy by other men. You're so right that gay acceptance would have gone lightyears further if SSA women had been given even a fraction of the platform that fags were given on a silver platter.
No. 2504094
>>2504001I think the ayrt was saying that the lifestyle choices lesbians make are far more socially acceptable than those made by retarded fags. Historically, lesbians became known for breakaway intentional communities that emphasized safety, peaceful living, subsistence farming, self-sufficiency, freedom, and unity between people and nature. By contrast, the gay scrote communities emphasized drugs, random sex, hyperindulgence, pornography, pedophilia, BDSM, fetish and kink, and generally hedonistic excess. One of those lifestyles is clearly more socially acceptable than the other, even notwithstanding the fact that women are treated like shit no matter how decently we behave. The nona you responded you is pointing out that if lesbians had been the ones to be the "ambassadors" of the gay community instead of fags, the common perception of gay people would have been very different. Instead of being associated with child rape and AIDS, it would have been associated with being a bit hippieish.
No. 2504100
>>2504078>>2504082>>2504096How are you so gullible especially coming from someone telling you to get raped? Haven't you registered by now that trannies always exaggerate? They also claimed that the supreme court ruling was causing them to lose human rights, how accurate was this already? As retarded as this guidance sounds, it says
trans men and
male appearance (if that article is even accurate). Nobody is going to exclude short haired women from support groups. Women on T barely pass and you think that people are going to run away from bare-faced women in unisex clothing because of this? What is even the legal effect of this "guidance"? To which support groups does it apply? I can't believe you're just going to believe whatever some tard posts itt, I thought we were the less retarded side of the debate
No. 2504102
>>2504076bold of you to assume that tifs will lower their prides to join women crisis groups. they have the balls to go to grindr for a crumble of validation
>>2504096GNC women are not tifs and don't look like males at all, go outside, jesus fuck I bet you use "transmasc" to call women that have buzzcut and wear suits despite looking, sounding and more importantly, be women.
Anyway, that's on them. TIFs have all the tools that tell them that women are the
victims of this whole movement, yet want to join them, either they detrans or fuck off, they can't get the validation from the movement on the surface meanwhile still wanting resources that are for women. I know that it might be worrying for them, they're still women, but we have enough of coddling troons, we don't need to coddle stupid women, this should be a wake up call for them. GNC women are women. PCOS women, the ones that troon love to throw in the bunch to make sense of their fallacies, are women. They did not choose to be like that, TIFS however? eehh….
Let them get a taste like that one tifs that didnt' want to be in a male shelter.
No. 2504106
>>2504100Even a passing ftm will just have to say "I'm biologically female" and the frog voice will do the rest of the talking.
Its crazy that troons think we can't tell when we can ALWAYS tell. I grew up around so many androgynous/butch/gnc women and you can tell. Always.
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Heres from the quoted Equality and Human Rights Commission. I understand where people are coming from in the defiance of ideology and I know TIFs are annoying as fuck but we really do need to be careful. Theyre some of the most vulnerable to being raped and abused by TIMs and I don't see any TIF-only support groups being allowed to exist any time soon (let alone being helpful. coz theyre pozzed.). I don't want to abandon them when theyre still female and detransitioners exist. And I've seen enough normie gc/lesbian types who simply refuse to see TIFs as women despite the blatant logical inconsistency.
No. 2504141
>>2504137A detransitioned tif will be free to use women's spaces and join women's support groups.
I dont see why's she wouldnt
No. 2504145
>>2504137I don't get it… Maybe because I'm an eslfag but doesn't this mean
>Facilities are sex-segregated so trannies cannot use the facilities of the opposite sex>In some circumstances, preventing trannies from using facilities based on their actual sex will be allowed (presumably, in specific contexts where gendie shit could hurt others e.g. support groups for non-TIF victims)>In any case, trannies should always have access to the same facilities as non-tranniesHow does this mean that support groups for TIFs are not allowed to exist? How does that even work?
No. 2504235
>>2504102TIFs love using women spaces and shitting on women at the same time.
The crippled fat TIF is way too scared to go to a man’s bathroom in the first place yet she’s posting about making women scared in the bathroom since this is what we want kek. No one is scared of hyena clits retards, I just don’t want males where they are not supposed to be , if retarded women want to go with men because they identify as such, let them, it’s on them.
No. 2504247
>>2504091KEKK, I would like to see the retard’s meltdown honestly. TRAs and trannies always use this bullshit excuse, they don’t even care about GNC women or any other women.
>get raped bitchesThis is the right side of history guys. I’ll be eating my popcorns while watching the “transgenocide” happen. The only reason they got pushback is because they were disgusting leeches that just had demands and demands and who had to plaster their fetishes around. The level of greed and entitlement is crazy. Blame the girldick for losing your “human rights” kek.
No. 2504253
>>2504219He is fucking retarded. I have no fucking idea wtf troons think
TERF is if they think it's a trad ideology.
Like lmao how the fuck is women's liberation from the patriarchy traditional?
No. 2504269
>>2504001Lesbians behave in a more socially acceptable manner, do not tend to shield predators (or be predators, obviously, since they're female), aren't typically exhibitionists, etc. You might be right that the LGB movement got the attention and funding it did because it was mostly fronted by moids, but if it wasn't for lesbians the gay pride movement wouldn't have gotten off the ground either because they were publicly supporting and marching with pedos, Harry Hay even said that the gay rights movement essentially is nothing if it's not also a pedo rights movement. Lesbians telling gay men to stop their pedo-promotion is what made gay men socially acceptable enough to get their movement off the ground, and during the AIDS crisis lesbians again softened the blow against the male gays, so I think it's fair to say lesbians are the more socially acceptable gays.
>>2504020A certain type of moid (many of whom turn out to be gay themselves) does seem to fly into a rage at the existence of gay men because of feeling their masculinity threatened by the existence of gay men, but they aren't behind the current backlash against LGBT by normies. Troons themselves are, and gay men shilling kink/troons/drag/etc. are. You said it yourself, normies don't care about lesbians, so the backlash against the LGBT movement is not actually about lesbians at all, who mostly fly under the radar and don't bother anybody. Zoomers have a more negative perception of the LGBT movement than millennials/genX did, and it's certainly not because their masculinity is threatened by seeing men holding hands - that's been normalized in society for a long time now, since zoomers were kids.
>>2504068I would genuinely rather take the chance that my kid runs away at 18 than ruin their body, slice them up, etc. and sterilize them forever with my blessing when they are still a child. One of those things is a reversible decision, the other is not, and it's pushing your kids further down the transition path and away from you anyway once they realize you helped them butcher themselves, they're so mentally unwell they usually reject their families regardless. Most kids with gender dysphoria in childhood desist by age 18, so just making them wait until then gives you a 90% chance they snap out of the delusion. Unfortunately, now governments are enforcing medical transition without parental permission so parents have less and less of a choice in the matter. I don't feel bad for the parents who went along with their kids' transition willingly, I consider them
abusive, but I do have sympathy for the ones who were basically forced/threatened into going along with it.
>>2504137Support groups for TIFs already exist and often get way more funding than support groups for normal women. Not sure where you're getting the idea that TIFs have been "abandoned" let alone that TIF-only social spaces aren't allowed to exist lmao. All trans-identifying people get tons of special funding and privileges and spaces above and beyond normal people of their sex, even if TIMs get even more resources than TIFs do.
No. 2504284
>>2504280im not a lesbian
>>2504281i was about to say that kek, /tttt/ brigade?
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>>2504262No he's not, he got in a spat with her because he called her a man-hater, kek. Ironically this will probably make troons hate him because he's admitting they're men. I think 'JK Rowling hates TIMs because she's a misandrist' is the most amusing angle he could have taken.
No. 2504297
>>2504295I got to "accuses her of hating men"
Who cares? Literally who cares if a woman hates men? What is she gonna do? Rape them?
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>>2504295>rowling dropping the crime statsI can't wait until she starts calling men moids and wursties.
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I meant to post this when the dire puppies thing was bigger, but I can't believe this was going around when it's the exact same reasoning they use to try and claim that troons are biological women.
No. 2504395
>>2503661This, kek. He already looks like a crossdresser, in his prison garment he will just look indistinguishable from any other chubby christian latino guy with long hair. OT but will they still get the privilege of getting estrogen in male prison while most women can't even get pads or tampons?
>>2503931Wish I could give you a standing ovation,
nonnie, bravo. You're spot on about everything, people love to point out the 9 or 10 guys on r/askgaybros who are vaguely against troons (but still don't care because it doesn't really affect them) like the majority of gay men are sane and normal, but I'd say most of them contributed to the predatory misogynistic shithole the lgbt community is currently.
No. 2504407
>>2504076Ignoring the retarded bait (thanks for proving our point that troons will seethe at reality and immediately wish rape and death upon women), why would a TIF ever want to go to a WOMEN'S rape crisis group? So eager to identify out of womanhood based on their NLOGism, yet at the same time they still expect to be welcomed into women only spaces? Kek what happened to that being "invalidating and dysphoria enducing"?
>>2504102It's especially hilarious they think TIFs and GNC women pass as men when anyone whos gone outside (and isn't from a super conservatard country) can tell you the average straight woman is also pretty GNC herself. We've all had that one masc classmate or coworker we were convinced was a lesbian until she mentioned having a baby and a husband. Your average straight woman will dress in "boy" clothes, sit with her legs spread and rock a pixie cut or bald head, and I've never seen anyone doubt their womanhood because it just takes one word to hear a female voice and cease all doubts. Androgyny has been a popular style since before the 90s, only troons think its new.
No. 2504415
>>2504407>why would a TIF ever want to go to a WOMEN'S rape crisis group?Idk anon but so many of them not only go to but also work for women's shelters after going on T, it's really weird. My ex best friend had a BPDemon girlfriend for several years who was insanely violent,
abusive, sexually abused my friend, etc. and after they finally broke up the bippie exgf trooned out like 2 months later, went on T, started chest binding, and got a job at a womens rape crisis shelter as a rape counsellor. I personally know two other women who did the same thing after transitioning and going on HRT, even though the other two to my knowledge weren't domestic abusers themselves. It's like some weird way to flex on other women by trying to scare them I think? Flashing male secondary sex characteristics in spaces for traumatized women and seeing their fear before they realize you're female? Maybe it's the only time TIFs feel like they're the least vulnerable person in the room? I have no idea but I can't find a generous explanation because it's they themselves that want everyone to believe they're not women.
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(NOT MY SCREENSHOT, I did not like this, saw this being spread around with trannies being purposely obtuse.) But it's funny how trannies tell this woman "go to a punk show" as if the modern punk scene isn't full of LARPers who tweak out over old riotgrrls being le evil terves. Her point is probably that trannies aren't contrarian or revolutionary in any way because they just hold up misogynistic and homophobic gender roles and are supported by the mainstream/big corporations unlike terfs who can lose their jobs for being homosexual and saying they only like pussy lol. They're all saying radical feminism is somehow conservative too kek, we're the only ones who truly want to abolish gender roles.
No. 2504512
>>2504269We definitely behave in a more socially acceptable manner, but remember that gay men are moids therefore they're truly socially accepted. Gay men are seen as legitimate, lesbians aren't and lesbianism is seen more as a political choice + a female "deviancy" rather than a moral failing / inherit evil like it is in gay men. This was even true for how the nazis saw homosexuals. People (men, so technically not people) only like seeing "lesbians" in the public eye and porn because they like seeing two women kiss and fuck. The reason lesbians have historically had less anti-gay laws around us is because we're already affected by anti-female laws that force women out of the workforce and into the house, we just have the burden of dealing with misogyny and homophobia at the same time. Everyone just sees us as mentally ill straight women and think we can be fixed by dating scrotes, even lefties think this but instead of scrotes it's tranny scrotes. Lesbian culture is definitely more socially acceptable than gay male culture though, that's true, lesbian culture is much more reclusive but some linguists have argued that our culture is likely richer than gay males because we have more slang, dialect, and we change our voices more than gay males (we tend to lower our voices, this has been observed in different countries). Lesbian culture seems to be more consistent world wide too, but a lot of people don't know that because we aren't annoying about it like gay moids usually are, plus we usually actually
have to hide. It's fucked up how things like marriage and adoption are challenged for lesbians, who usually aren't bad parents, because gay moids decided to go along with the tranny shit too.
>>2503679No seriously lol. They made shit worse for women too by shoving themselves into feminism
No. 2504525
>>2504512>Gay men are seen as legitimateThey WERE seen as legitimate, but now the reason a lot of gay men are complaining is that people are starting to lump them in with groomers and creeps. It's not just some ultra-misogynistic masculine men who are doing that, it's largely normies, soccer moms, random boomers, and even increasingly a lot of zoomers. Gay men's legitimacy was won largely through optics that lesbians helped them with in the early days of the gay rights movement, because gay males were fucking it up by trying to bring pedophilia and degeneracy into the public eye and associating it with gay rights. Once society actually began to view gay men as legitimate overall, due to them saying they wanted things like marriage and a nuclear family (which a lot of lesbians actually do want), gay rights campaigners started pushing the envelope and making it about degen shit again. They teamed up with troons to attack 'normative' society, 'sex-negativity,' etc. and it's pissing off normal people because the whole reason average normies thought gay men were seeking legal legitimacy for their partnerships was 'oh, they want to be just like me, two parents and a kid and a white picket fence!'
Of course homosexuality has been accepted in men throughout history because men have always been considered full people while women have historically been considered objects for men to hoard, and under that patriarchal view two women breaking off and having a romantic relationship with each other doesn't make sense and is seen as illegitimate. Patriarchal societies will see lesbians as like, two cows from your farm trying to run off and start their own farm, because 'women are objects for my ownership and consumption though,' but again, I'm not talking about ultramisogynistic patriarchal moids here, I'm talking about the average normie. Ultramisogynistic patriarchal moids always hated homosexuality and always will, it's not a personality type you can expect to stop being sexist and bigoted.
>The reason lesbians have historically had less anti-gay laws around usThat seems unrelated to the topic though. I never mentioned lesbians having anti-gay laws around them or not. I said lesbians have very little to do with the pendulum swing that's happening where the average person was less homophobic 10-20 years ago than they are now. It's really not because of lesbians. I know some of these exact types of people (people who supported, even voted for gay marriage in past decades, who now openly say 'gay rights have gone too far') and I've never heard any of them mention anything women have done. It's always either about troons (who they see as part of the gay movement) or it's about regular non-troon gay males. When people talk about how creepy it is for homosexuals to adopt children they never give an example of lesbians, it's always 'kids have a right to a mom' or 'men who aren't biologically related to a child are more likely to molest the child' or 'why are men buying access to women's bodies' or 'did you hear about that gay male couple that was making CP of their 2 adopted sons for years while family vlogging' or whatever.
>>2504522Yeah it's this too, when men resent lesbians it's largely because they feel entitled to sexual access to all women. Transbians are just the far extreme of that type of moid, who sees it as a challenge and thinks he can gain sexual access to the 'inaccessible' women if he just says he's a woman himself.
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trannies always say this shit like it's a massive gotcha
No. 2504560
>>2504525I've definitely seen the same anti adoption rhetoric towards lesbians, normie moids lying about lesbian DV rates, normies saying kids need a mother
and a father in opposition to lesbian adoption, normies saying lesbians are basically aggressive men and beat their wives/kids etc etc. The only difference being that lesbians aren't abusing their kids like (degenerate) gay men are, but most people don't care about that difference. Unfortunately a lot, and I mean a lot, of people aren't critical thinkers so they just assume lesbians are the same as gay males despite our efforts put into abolishing pedophilia in the gay community. (Alot of this has to do with people lying about gay history/culture) I've only really seen anti-gay male/pro-lesbian in
TERF/GC communities, although I will say that normie women have definitely become more accepting towards lesbians since 2015. As a lesbian myself, throughout my entire life I don't think there has really been a time, including nowadays, where gay men are less accepted than us. They're the face of the gay community and anything they do wrong fucks us over.
But we both agree that the gay rights movement adopting trannydom was a mistake. Too many normie lesbians still think trannies are just cross dressing gay men too and don't understand how bad it truly is.
>>2504522They'll violently hate crime lesbians who aren't feminine too, if you're feminine they'll sexualize you, if you're masculine they'll act like you're cucking them and will sexualize you in retaliation or they'll harm you. It's a lose lose situation.
No. 2504600
>>2504560You must live in a very different culture to me or just have a different definition of normies. I don't mean bitter reddit incels (that's the only context I've ever heard that false lesbian DV stat brought up in) but just like normal regular non-social-media addict type people. It might be different in different locations though. I have like, ultra-trad devout Catholic family members who will say the most vitriolic shit about gay men that makes me think they'll get arrested for hate speech one day and the meanest thing I've heard them say about lesbians is 'she should try to find a boyfriend, she would be happier with a man.' And the vast majority of normies I know aren't against gay rights, gay marriage, or gay adoption at all, those are rare cases that most would consider pretty politically radical. But even among all the people who do support gay rights I've noticed a shift toward 'it's going too far' type comments and they're mostly to do with gender ideology and pro-kink ideology as well as, increasingly, shit like surrogacy. In fact I've heard these comments from many of my LGB friends, most lesbians I know especially hate male troons even if they say things to support them in public. It kind of sounds to me like I live in a more liberal place than you though so this might account for the discrepancy in our experiences, like you said many normie lesbians think trannies are crossdressing gay men and absolutely no one here thinks that, AGPs are everywhere and have been for at least a decade.
>They're the face of the gay community and anything they do wrong fucks us over.That was… literally my whole point.
No. 2504608
>>2504512Everything you said is very true. I didn't know about the linguist bit though, that's so interesting
>>2504001>not even taken seriously thanks to bi women larpingPeople don't take female sexuality seriously as a general rule. Polilez and people who purposefully lie are really aggravating but let's not kid ourselves, lesbian desire was never taken seriously in the first place. Even straight women aren't taken seriously in that way, there's something about female desire that's really offensive or hard to grok for many men (this is internalized by many, including women). Hence why they ridicule any expression of female desire and can only discuss aspects of female sexuality that clearly centers
them as men.
>>2504525>When people talk about how creepy it is for homosexuals to adopt children they never give an example of lesbiansThey do, it's usually something about lesbians having gay children just by existing as lesbian parents or trooning out their sons because they hate men (?). The former might be true but the latter is funny because most of the women who troon out their sons seem to be cluster B weirdos or emotionally (at least) incestuous boymoms, not
… lesbians
>gay rights campaigners started pushing the envelope and making it about degen shit again. They teamed up with troons to attack 'normative' society, 'sex-negativity,' etc.Yup. There is a massive denial of what the gay culture actually is like (rife with degeneracy and sexual violence, predation etc.) among liberals but normies who lean conservative and anyone who's familiar with gay culture knows what's up. Gay men are just one group of men who expresses sex solidarirty with TiMs but because of their formal proximity to trannies they'll get more backlash for it, or maybe not who knows
No. 2504625
>>2504608>the latter is funny because most of the women who troon out their sons seem to be cluster B weirdos or emotionally (at least) incestuous boymoms, not… lesbians
Yeah the parents who seem to troon out their kids are either religious conservatives who hate having a GNC child or troons themselves. I guess maybe some people might be confusing TIFs with lesbians though, I've noticed a lot of boomer/gen X people can't tell the difference between a TIF (on hormones/medicalized) and a male, and they think female butch lesbians or even straight tomboy-looking women are TIFs or they think pre-trans TIFs are lesbians. Like they never learned that hormones and surgery can make women grow beards and go bald and whatever so whenever they see a lesbian with more masculine style, a queerio pickme woman or a pre-transition TIF they think they're all 'lesbians.' In that case maybe when they see news stories or a Dr. Phil episode or something with those short haired het kweer women that troon out their kids they just think 'oh, it's the lesbians doing it' even though most of those women have TIM husbands. That's another way that troons do a disservice to actual LGB people - by confusing normie old people about what GNC presentation even socially signifies.
>There is a massive denial of what the gay culture actually is like (rife with degeneracy and sexual violence, predation etc.) among liberals but normies who lean conservative and anyone who's familiar with gay culture knows what's up.Yeah it seems to me that the people who are most familiar with gay culture are either people who are LGB/have been around the 'queer' community themselves (like far-leftists, artist types, etc) or anyone who's getting their news from the conservative media, while a lot of middle aged liberals stay in their bubble where they think everything to do with gay culture is completely innocent and wholesome. This is also why that type of liberal is the most likely to accept troons, because they're kind of checked out of the news stories but they just think it's the same thing, like 'gay men got to get married so I'm sure we should let trans people do whatever it is they do as well! To be nice!' I have a good friend who is maybe a decade older than me (40ish) and kind of a granola hippie type, doesn't get on social media much but she is center-left leaning and I had to explain to her that drag queen story hour was not innocent. I kept trying to just tell her in words that it was bad because I know she's a CSA survivor but in the end I was just like, you know what, let me show her some videos of the actual drag performances for kids. She tapped out in like 3 minutes she was so horrified. But this was after like 2 hours of her arguing that I'm being awfully homophobic for a SSA person (she's straight), that maybe I'm just jealous of gay men for expressing themselves freely, for comparing it to innocent shit like children's costume parties, etc. It's like trying to explain the existence of AGP troons to your genX aunt who votes democrat all the way down the ticket every election and wakes up to Morning Joe or something, they can't even fathom the existence of such a thing as AGP.
>>2504616Remember when the troons made a whole campaign against the pussy hats and then the 2018 women's march organizers kept telling people not to wear them because they're racist and transphobic? Also don't bring signs about uteri or reproductive rights because they'll hurt troonfeelings?
No. 2504628
>>2504137Maybe if tifs didnt hate other women, I'd give a shit. They're one of the biggest supporters of Tims, despite trannies hating them so much. They dont consider them men, only women TRAs do. And gay men think they're pathetic, as they should.
>>2504235This. They get no sympathy from me.
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>>2504628yeah tifs seem a lot like the christcuck tardwives of he left. Little brainwashed psyopped agents of the patriarchy
No. 2504639
>>2504633Oh boy anon. The culture doesn't treat 'rapists' better than 'trans women,' and troons are much more likely to be rapists than normal men. A man who is willing to transgress female boundaries (whether it's by participating in a female sport, mansplaining womanhood to a woman, going on a lesbian dating app, or trying to get into a female intimate space like a bathroom, locker room, prison, or rape/DV shelter) is the most dangerous kind of man there is. That is the personality type of a rapist, a man who wants to transgress women's boundaries.
He may was well have written "why would rapists bother to pretend to be rapists in a culture that treats rapists better than rapists." They're not pretending to be trans, that's what being trans fundamentally is about for males.
No. 2504645
>>2504633It obscures the reality that sexually violent moids are more likely to have paraphilias (in this case AGP/troonery) by presenting a false absurd situation where a sexually violent moid would have to "pretend to be trans" in order to access and harm women. And it creates a diversion tactic by making people argue about whether the transes (pervert moids) or rapists (violent moids) are treated worse by society, when really they're all degenerate moids so who gives a damn, they're all repugnant. Rapist moids are more likely to troon out, but they can make you not notice it by pretending that living their fetish makes them oh so oppwessed and that no one would
ever choose to live like that.
No. 2504654
>>2504648Right? If troons actually cared about women, don't you think they would draw a fucking line as to what qualifies as troon vs sexual predator?
But no, if you go into that territory you are considered truscum or a transmedicalist or some retarded shit. So instead they just save the "wasn't actually trans" specifically for women reporting no-effort moids who get caught raping (nothing less than violent rape and only if he put no effort in) women in bathrooms. Even then they will call the scrote a cis male to save face (but what even is the difference if you adhere to stupid shit like not needing gender dysphoria or surgeries or whatever?)
Anyone else they just pretend never happened. They are no different than the Catholic church covering up pedo priests.
No. 2504671
>>2504625>those short haired het kweer women that troon out their kids they just think 'oh, it's the lesbians doing it' even though most of those women have TIM husbands. >That's another way that troons do a disservice to actual LGB people - by confusing normie old people about what GNC presentation even socially signifies. Absolutely.
>for comparing it to innocent shit like children's costume parties, etc. It's seriously so creepy how much of "LGBT" activism now is infantile. It's insulting and it's the perfect cover for predatory men. Liberals need this because they're uncomfortable with the actual subject (sex) and have to put it at a safe distance.
>>2504633Men in progressive circles will regularly troon out or pretend to troon out after word gets out that they're predators or wife beaters. You see this replicated in prison. There's probably some AGP behind these moves but the timing is also relevant. Why? Because troons enjoy a certain immunity since they're the ultimate pitiful and socially disruptive kind of person, both traits are favored by progressives. It doesn't matter whether or not one should pity them, in the minds of TRAs a man going "down" from man to "woman" elicits a lot of sympathy and they will insist he's actually worthy of more care than women, regardless of what he's done. This is basically a rapist's wet dream
No. 2504684
>>2504676Reminds me of that short film going around on twitter about that faggot who grotesquely tries to transition after watching some toddler magical girl anime. People are calling it transphobic because it's obvious AGP kink shit, but all these troons are defending it because it's "muh experience!!"
If only these freaks had self awareness. It's called 'Angelic Kitty Miracle Chan' if you want to puke in your mouth looking at one of the ugliest moids to ever inhabit a basement.
No. 2504710
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>>2504702Can't even enjoy mahou shoujo shit anymore. People are saying the backlash is picrel but it's not. For some reason this type of insufferable life choice goes full circle and they end up making fetish slop. But they say it's all for activism in the end with deeper meaning. I don't want to believe Tumblr was a psyop infecting minds into thinking this shit is okay but it's starting to seem like it.
No. 2504713
>>2504710Imo it's because trannies are still men and if you disagree with their pedophilic AGP fetish, they'll either:
a) moid out and screech about raping you to death with girlcock or whatever they call micropenises now
b) play the ultimate
victim card because being a woman is equal to being The
Victim to these faggots
They need to create their pervert echo chambers because it's easier than admitting they're fucking losers who need to improve as people, not shave their legs and pretend that makes them a brand new (female) person.
No. 2504763
>>2504672I'm not an expert but almost everything I've read online says that even taking HRT for a few months can make adult moids infertile and some of them stop being able to ejaculate at all.
>>2504728That's so weird. Even without a working dick he still tries to enact his deranged fantasies.
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>>2504782NTA obviously, but this is such a weird question because even a man with a rot pocket can violently molest and assault you. It's not like as soon as they lose function of their penises they're incapable of violence and/or they lose all fuction of their limbs as well. There's also been studies where it's been reported that apparently a portion of male rapists experience erectile dysfunction during the assault and/or "retarded" ejaculation or none at all and still caused physical trauma to the
victims. Moids will be moids.
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>>2504763Many troons have fathered children long into their transition. I think if they take spiro along with estrogen or get an orchiectomy it may/would (respectively) cause them to stop producing sperm permanently, but many of them just take estrogen alone (which does not lower T levels) and I'm not sure why that would prevent them from having sperm on a permanent basis, let alone necessarily prevent them from getting hard. I think all sorts of hormonal malfunctions can cause AD and inability to ejaculate, but it's not like it happens to everyone the same way most women with PCOS can still conceive even though we have high T. Obviously some troon males don't even do HRT at all, but many of them also cease HRT once they get the boobs in order to improve sexual function (you can see them talking about this on r/MTF) so they could even get a woman pregnant. But anyway infertility does not mean inability to have sex, necessarily. Even troons who get orchiectomies often still can have sex just fine.
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>>2504803Another resource I found (picrel) suggests that even on HRT troons should continue to use birth control because sperm motility decreases in a dose dependent manner, but does not necessarily get completely knocked out even while on HRT.
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this single image sent by a twitter friend of a friend made me peak, he already was acting weird when he started transitioning from unironically saying tee-hee to taking deep offense of me saying ''guys'' and ''dudes'' to him excusing what i can only describe as sexist mockery of how women sound like under the pretense of ''its very validating as somebody struggling with dysphoria'' this stupid meme was what broke the camel's back for me
No. 2504859
>>2504710>pic relatedI just don't understand. What are we supposed to do? Say I take it at face value and feel bad for this guy who wants to be a sexy little girl what's the medical pathway? This isn't even the
terf or transphobe in me speaking. What are we supposed to do for people (often men) who have this outrageous idea of unattainable femininity that they
think female children have that causes them to be exploited in the first place? Maybe "screw you, you're a tranny pedophile who wants to be with and rape little girls" aren't comforting words, but the literal only medical pathway for autopedophilia is therapy and not affirming their delusions.
Feels like the pedophile orientation hasn't caught on quite as much and now weird socially maladapted mentally ill people need to find a new way to make people feel bad for pedophiles.
>I only sort of understand that raping children is bad, but what if I wanted to get raped or rape myself as a child? Am I oppressed now?>yes I jerk off to amber alerts but it's not pedophilia and a it's a victimless crime because actually I want to be the kid No. 2504886
>>2504878Kek, you're right. As if anyone would want to waste taxpayer dollars trying to cure a scorned autogynephilic pedophile with a
victim complex.
No. 2504903
>>2504883Nta but I guarantee calling women "guys" is some kind of retarded power play or gotcha for your troon coworker. There's no way that trannies, who are super sensitive about pronouns and gendered words, are not noticing when they're doing it to other people.
>>2504870On /ot/, no unfortunately, except maybe ex Muslims thread. On other boards, yes
No. 2505078
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>>2505062This makes me laugh. They wanna be women so bad, but can't even handle socializing "as one". It's like the verbal equivalent of that comic where a tranny freaks out and has a mental breakdown after gorcery shopping, whereas the woman just buys what she needs and goes home. A tranny's greatest enemy is always himself because of his insecurity causing an unbearable hypersensitivity to the world around them. You don't even have to interact with a tranny. For every one woman that's sitting at some Barnes & Noble sipping some Starbucks and reading a novel, there's like ten trannies crying on twitter and reddit about how their day is ruined because they saw her enjoying the "natural state of being a woman" and felt personally attacked.
No. 2505105
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>>2505062I've noticed an uptick in troon rage about that lately too kek
No. 2505194
>>2505105Meanwhile, most TIFs and theyfabs have been parroting
>Friendly reminder that "dude" and "guy" are gender neutral!Kek it's actually hilarious they hate them so much they have to make stuff up to get mad at. Happy to know saying "ok dude" is enough to kill your average tranny's boner and send them into a mantrum.
No. 2505450
>>2505173Right? I don't understand how trannies don't see themselves as complete assholes for trying so hard to control how people think and speak. You have to completely uproot your perception of reality AND your extremely normal linguistic patterns because…it hurts Lilith's feelings when you talk to him casually? No one likes having to walk on eggshells, and it's very mysterious to me how trannies don't understand this neurotic need to control others is why they are so widely hated. It reminds me of how Tumblr users used to ask their mutuals to tag incredibly asinine things like hands and vegetables because it was "
triggering," and this directly led to no one taking the concept of
triggers seriously anymore. People will accommodate others within reason, but once you start asking them to jump through insane hoops just because you can, people naturally start to push back and are no longer willing to budge an inch because they know you'll take it a mile.
No. 2505484
>>2504825The worst was troons trying to LARP and get trans into 'The Haidmaiden Tale'. Like, why??
I've pretty much given up on fandom spaces, tbh after LJ and DA both decided to hop it over to Tumblr en masse, for some fucking reason. It only seems to have got calcified since Twitter blurred the lines between online and IRL and now Tiktok exists…
Outside of fandom, I just saw an article about Birmingham pride banning political parties, other pride events are following suit. They interviewed an organiser and surprise, surprise, they'd trans. Is there anyone organising Pride parades that are LGB, instead of TQ+ these days?
15 years ago I would have gone, but not anymore.
No. 2505485
>>2504816And, they are male centered franchises.
Just look at the ones devoted to little girls, like MLP. -shudders-
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>>2505398Is it this kind of haircut? I feel like I see more of them with a wolf cut/mullet/fauxhawk thing going on or just a fried shaggy mess on their heads, or bald lol.
>>2505403This would make sense, but they seem to brag a lot about how hot they are and how much sex they're supposedly having with gay men. I always assumed the bad haircuts were an attempt to be edgy and anti-fashion.
No. 2505511
>>2505494I thought this were so-called '
TERF-bangs'? That never made any sense to me, as the only people I ever see with microbangs are handmaidens, and alt art school kids, which is pretty much a circle at this point.
No. 2505544
>>2505511Iirc in 2010 the "alt" girls who were known to be "manhating feminists" (but the type who would wear makeup and look like egirls before egirls were a thing) would have these super short bangs that showed their eyebrows (sometimes with a piercing!) and I'm pretty sure men would get mad because these girls were the type of girl they'd want to fuck or skinwalk, but the girls hated all men (which naturally were assumed to include trannies but I'd never known of one of these alt women to even give a fuck about trannies). I think it was a case of "this girl who won't fuck me is a manhating feminazi! Dogpile her!" And less "she's transpobic!!" The reason for this theory is because a lot of trannies nowadays are skinwalking the women they were obsessed with years ago, which include the alt looking girls that "
terf bangs" were associated with.
No. 2505548
>>2505450Exactly. If it were such a minor ask there wouldn't be much pushback to begin with. If there's massive pushback maybe you should consider you're asking something that is too difficult or inconvenient for the average person or maybe they're just sick of your shit because they know you will ask for 10 more unreasonable things after you give them that one.
>>2505484The Handmaids Tale is a book that's entirely about sex-based reproductive oppression and how women are treated as second-class citizens due to our reproductive systems. Troons trying to make it about themselves are the most retarded type of moids in existence.
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No. 2505833
>>2505178Thisss, if you ask them not to call you by their cult terms such as cis and queer (which have only been "reclaimed" in recent years) they'll laugh at you, but then they want to be taken seriously when "dude" and "guys" send them spiraling? I don't think so.
>>2504666This has got to be bait, how are rape and being sterile even remotely related? Also there is zero requirement to be a tranny, most don't transition medically
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Right, the same "sisters" who will beat you up if you don't feed their kink bullshit.
No. 2505911
>>2505105I call both my female and male friends guys and dudes. I say things like "i dont know man "Lmao I love that this
triggers them.
No. 2505943
>>2505588I thought there were no women’s high security prisons. Am I wrong, or are those four TIFs held in a men’s prison or some other facility?
>>2505875Exactly. Most people I talk to think TIMs have all had “the surgery”, or are at least on medication that renders them completely impotent, and failing that (because they’re so marginalised that they don’t have access to healthcare, poor dears) that they hate their penis so much they’d never show it to anyone let alone rape someone with it. The average person still thinks trans is a medical condition that involves crippling genital dysphoria, and that men caught sporting erections in women’s nude spas are not really trans. But also that never happens and gatekeeping is bad!
>>2505918Are you the same anon who’s always going on about acking? You realise the suicide stats that are always bandied about are massively overinflated, right?
No. 2506017
>>2505900>Right, the same "sisters" who will beat you up if you don't feed their kink bullshit.They're so evil. These men prey on women, rape women, beat women, threaten women, get our rights taken away and invade our spaces and then they go "boo-hoo cis women are literally genociding us!! Save us from them!!!" as they're kicking us while we're down.
There was a time when being pro-trans could genuinely be seen from ignorance and misplaced attempts at kindness, but in 2025? It's been a decade of this now, they're science-denying misogynists. Refusing to listen to women to this point and going "I just didn't know better" isn't a shield you can hide behind anymore because that action in of itself now just proves that you are indeed full of hatred for women, gay people and kids safety.
"Well you see I thought normal women were hysterical crazy bigoted bitches, so I didn't even spend 5 seconds listening to them and instead blocked them and had them thrown out of female spaces while I instead let men in dresses in with their boners" just doesn't work as an excuse.
No. 2506072
>>2506017ngl when I was a tra, I was like that because I was on tumblr and that was a major girl thing that I saw as "escaping from strict roles" and even if it didn't make sense to me that women wanted to be boys, I saw that it was some kind of play pretend online so they could larp and I thought that tims where extreme gays because it was the time of Glee/Orange is the new black troonism (the troon in my country was dubbed by a man kek), it was only a personal expression but I can't see why now someone would support troons in their violence, misoginy, sex offender statistic and overall as you said, science denying. It's like believe in reptilians to me or being a flat earther. I hate that old men with gross fetishes groom children into being activists basically saying "twump is evil, right?? right??", I hate how they use younger people and maybe, women with good intentions, as a shield and gaslight them, I hate how everything about them comes down to gross fetishes. I hate it. They would do anything only to satisfy their weird power fantasy and they're the one using tifs for this. If only I had a dime for every tif that defendend troons and didn't get the same support back, I would be filthy rich. I believe that tifs have a weird mix of autism and being groomed, but most of them fall into troonism because men online normalize this kind of shit, tims are way more loud in surface, normie spaces (like that dylan fag), meanwhile the only normie tif is Ellen Page but she's visibly uncomfortable in that. I wish that I will hear more detrans stories in the future without creepy troons shitting on these people like the cult that they are.
No. 2506150
So I just found out Poppy Z. Brite trooned out (with HRT and all) around 2010 or something and now 15 years later she is in need of canes and wheelchairs.
https://www.patreon.com/posts/tuesday-may-7-103844424How do Aidens write things like these and pretend to be moids??
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i wholeheartedly embrace using the vocabulary that the trans community invented, such as "afab" and "amab." instead of saying men, let's start saying amabs! sex is not equal to gender, after all! thanks for the inclusive vocabulary, gendies!!
No. 2506274
>>2506268It'd be one thing if this was a fluke, but they
constantly invent new words and regret it soon after, it's so funny.
No. 2506288
>>2506017You're so right and this is why I don't bother being crypto in social settings. I am too disgusted by TRAs to want to hang out with them anyway, at least in social settings. People have had years and years at this point to listen to both sides and anyone who still supports the troon side is just evil.
>>2506072Well the time of Glee/OITNB troonism was like 2012 so there was more of an excuse not to know back then, but more than a decade has since passed and people are still insisting we accept these moids into our spaces. Now there's been Dylan Mulvaney, that tiktok troon who harasses waiters, Honter's diary entry, Andrea Long Chu's book, the Wi Spa incident, all the rape shelter murders, the treatment of Vancouver Rape Relief, Jonathan Yaniv, Lia Thomas (and all like 600 other athlete troons), and so many other things that actually show what troons are like that no one has any excuse anymore. And TRA supporters are worse than they were in 2012 too because like you said, OITNB was dubbed by a moid, they actually acknowledged that biological sex existed back than. Now they don't acknowledge that anymore and a person who thinks biosex isn't real should be forcefully institutionalized imo. If every single person who claimed people could change sex was told they'd be put in an asylum if they kept it up you'd have no TRAs left so fast you couldn't even blink.
No. 2506302
>>2506268Troons still screech and cry when women ask for "afab-only" roommates, bathrooms, sports, and more. They don't want any single-sex only space. It doesn't matter if you use the right words. Troons use "afab" and "amab" within their own communities because sex exists (which is why the words and concepts even exist in the first place kek). However, they are against anyone using those words or the very concept of sex to exclude them.
There is no ideological consistency, it's just justifying whatever troons want (fulfilling their AGP fetish).
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>>2506110I think the last Pride parade I saw in person was 2015 or 2016 and it was all trannies and 'bi' het couples/polycules and kink stuff, I remember hearing some lesbians were kicked out of it for being 'transphobic' and I mostly saw trans related slogans. I find it hard to believe NYC was much different in 2015 as it's a very progressive city, you're probably just remembering it with rose colored glasses honestly. Picrel is NYC pride in 2015 and there was lots of troon/bi/kink content when I image searched it (although they didn't do the progress pride flag yet, but they don't in photos from 2024 either so I'm just assuming no one likes it). 2015 was also around the time the word 'queer' was trending the most, I don't think as many people use that word anymore.
>>2506268Constantly shooting themselves in the foot aren't they.
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>>2506302ayrt. agreed that they don't want single sex spaces. they don't want spaces that are based on biological realities but want designated spaces for whether you feel more feminine/masculine that day?? that just reinforces stereotypes AND the implications of that sound horrifying!! lol
No. 2506419
>>2506268The kicker is amab and afab were used in actual medical contexts relating to intersex babies. Like I even found an article in a journal debating the medical intervention of intersex babies using surgery and interviewing intersex people who have aged and comprehended what happened to them and their opinions on their surgeries. Anyway:
>Actual definition of AMAB example: an intersex female baby with a fused clitoris and labia that looks like a penis so she was first "assigned" male but was actually female.>Actual definition of AFAB example: an intersex male baby born without a penis so he looks like a female baby upon first glance, but actually has XY chromosomes.Trans people really appropriated these definitions to use to further their own selfish causes, so I find it really funny how they're freaking out about "I WILL NEVER BE A WOMAN I'M A DISGUSTING AMAB XY MALEMOID" like yes you are aren't you kek. Reap what you sow.
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One of the few honest drawings of a transwomen although most are still worst than this.
No. 2506568
>>2506419https://www.tumblr.com/templeofpoes/768729467595161600?source=shareall trannies do is steal.
>>2506268i almost pity how inescapable and total the sex binary is. they recreate it themselves all the time whenever they try to disprove it. trannies be like
>sex isn't real but people are afab and amab, sex isn't real and is a spectrum but ONLY people with vaginas can give birth and ONLY people with penises can impregnate, sex is a social construct and we are all women but there are women who have to take estrogen and get surgeries and cut off their cocks to be women and there are women who don't No. 2506591
>>2505544That ways seemed like such cope on behalf of moids. They were by and large Libfems, but as we know anyone (AKA women) who had any feminist leanings, were still labelled 'Radical Feminists', even if they did ascribe to TRA ideology and hated actual RFs. Totally agree about the skinwalking though. Probably explains the adopted look.
>If I can't fuck her, I will become her!I'm sure they'd say some BS, like it's them 'reclaiming' the look tho.
No. 2506593
>>2506580Nta but at lot of people grew up being told that there's barely any difference between men and women. I've seen normal adult women (as in, they're not into any ideology) who think the only reason there are male and female sports is because of sexism, because as a kid they played mixed sports in school and that was fine. They have no actual interest in sports so they never got corrected.
And even in
terf spaces I still sometimes see misinformation such as "boys and girls are basically the same until puberty".
No. 2506598
>>2506593Don't most people have science class in school? Or any kind of sex ed/health class? I learned about the biological differences between men and women in early-to-mid elementary school and then learned about it in more detail in both middle and high school. I think there's a difference between someone not realizing there's significant strength differences between adult men and women (because they stopped playing sports when they were 9 years old and haven't thought about it since) and not realizing sex differences like reproductive differences are 'ingrained' and 'biological,' I should think.
>And even in terf spaces I still sometimes see misinformation such as "boys and girls are basically the same until puberty".They say this in
terf spaces because it's a pretty major tenet of classical radfem ideology to insist that outside of phenotypical differences (reproductive biology) there's no other differences between males and females that are inherent. Radfem ideology states that all other differences between men and women are due to nurture, not nature, and in an ideal world where women were given equal resources, you wouldn't see anything like a violence differential between men and women or you wouldn't see a higher propensity for rape in men. This is why I can't get behind all of radfeminism's tenets but this is a pretty standard 'women just act different than men because patriarchy stymies our potential' radfem take. Some of them take it even further and claim there are no strength differences in kids before puberty but it's part of the same general ideology. However I've never met one of these radfems that denies there are inherent sex differences in biology or that thinks sex is on a spectrum. The anon I was replying to was responding to a post about sex differences like these:
>ONLY people with vaginas can give birth and ONLY people with penises can impregnate No. 2506600
>>2505548Didn't the mods of the TV subreddit for the show make talking about sex-based oppression (AKA the core theme/plot of the novel) a bannable offense? Is it troon mods or handmaidens? LAWL
We really can't discuss anything can we? I heard about that comicbook writer you self-cancelled herself, after
daring to write about women turning into werewolves during menstruation, because she got backlash from troons. It honestly makes me want to scream. Why can't they just PISS OFF?!
No. 2506609
>>2506605Which ones do you mean? I'm
>>2506598 and now I'm not sure if I interpreted your post correctly, do you mean troons act so stereotypically male that you think male behavior is biologically ingrained or do you mean like the actual biological sex differences? Because if it's the former I still think it could be purely upbringing for all we know, it's not like the lie troons were 'raised thinking they were girls' is ever true.
No. 2506627
>>2505105even when they use the metaphorical “dipshit” its implying that anyone gives a fuck that their fee-fees gets hurt whenever they are called something which doesnt offend anyone else but them. If someone called you dipshit on the street casually, would you respond:
>“ermmm.. actually.. fiddles fingers i prefer to be called _______ starting from now on.. if it doesnt trouble you that much.. re-adjusts glasses it just, yknow, helps me feel better about myself and my social environment.. heh…” like no the fuck you wont. this entire analogy proves that transgenders are just egotistical and sensitive as fuck
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>>2506619I have seen them using them for
their internal hemorrhoids or using jello to imitate menstrual blood No. 2506635
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>>2505918Unfortunately he didnt rope yet, but considered he only trooned out 3 years ago, id reckon he has until 2028 until the daily “here you go sir”’s catch up to him.
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>>2506628i actually buy this period “envy” stuff because theres so much posts of delusional men on r/mtf seething when women say “youre lucky you dont get periods” kek