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This thread is to discuss your grievances with gender ideology.
>What is gender ideology? Foundational to transgenderism, gender ideology is the belief that one’s “internal gender” can contradict one’s biological sex.
Gender ideology operates much like a religious cult. There is no scientific evidence that supports the notion that we have an “internal gender,” and yet doctors now medicalize and sterilize children with “transgender identities” who have been groomed by the cult. Anyone who does not reaffirm these delusions is labelled as a “transphobe” in order to discredit any dissenting voices of the cult.
Previous threads:
>>>/ot/2373578>>>/ot/2351915>>>/ot/2290853>>>/ot/2252408>>>/ot/2191693>>>/ot/2121106>>>/ot/2097274>>>/ot/2037097>>>/ot/1991983>>>/ot/1941872Relevant threads:
MtF/Trans-Identified Male General
>>>/snow/2080821FtM / fakeboi / TIF general
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>>2405648Same.
>>2404901>They don't mind having a male role in a female-only context, creating meaning, speaking over women, having social power (excluding women who don't think the right things), it's a move from a highly competitive male environment to a peaceful female-only context where they get to be the only man. Women will apologize for things that are completely out of their control (misogyny, being born female) but men demand to be worshipped because they don't enjoy being maleThis is something I noticed with men in female-dominated hobbies and (usually gay) men with overwhelmingly female friend groups even before trans ideology went mainstream. Everyone would praise them for not being like other men, for being more sympathetic and not
toxic, joke about them having been a woman in a previous life and therefore understanding women better or whatever but at the end of the day they were taking on the classic male patriarchal role with the women around them being subservient and propping up their ego. None of them actually fit in with the women as an equal, they were simply men who’d found their own safe little niche where they didn’t have to compete with other men. Troons have taken it a step further but men have probably always been doing this.
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>>2405718tranny must've asked for FFS but they gave him FMS
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>>2405837I struggled a lot with internalized misogyny (i think women are just brought up to hate themselves.) But never TIF tier.
Like I was scared of women but I finally woke up and took a step back and realized being gossiped about and shunned isn't as scary as being raped, tortured, and murdered.
I feel like TIFs don't really understand that men are by far the worst sex. Some will larp as misandrists but will only get angry at "white cis straight christian men!!" When it's all moids.
No. 2406010
>>2405974While I can agree with you, I know there are a lot of TIFs who have been raped/tortured by men. Instead of recognizing the issue is men, they turn all the hate on themselves. They think if they had been a man then men wouldn't do bad things to them (even though men will rape and torture each other all the time).
Idk, what is your explanation behind that?
No. 2406116
>>2405706Kek at Buck Angel calling troonism a cult. Also kek at her being so obviously clockable without her angles and filters.
I wonder why she's suddenly speaking up about this. Does it have anything to do with someone telling her she's not allowed to say tranny because that's a TIM exclusive privilege?
No. 2406133
>>2405704I’m not sure if this is exactly what you were talking about, but I also notice that a lot of gay men are inexplicably mean to their female “friends.” Not joking around, playful, kind of mean, but legitimately hurtful. They then pretend that they were joking, it’s just their way as a flamboyant gay man, and if you don’t like that you’re actually homophobic. It’s just interesting to me that all these women, who decide to cozy up to these mentally ill men who are supposed to be non threatening and “just one of the girls!” (TiMs, violently flamboyant gay men) wind up being abused in some way regardless. In either case, it’s never truly about finding friendships on equal footing with women, it’s about exerting power over women, and some kind of kink for inserting themselves in a space not meant for them. “I don’t belong here,but look at how these stupid women fawn over me regardless of how poorly I treat them! I call them bitches and whores and pick apart their appearances to their face just like any other man, but they continue to include me over identity politics!”
No. 2406136
>>2406116My assumption is that her turn is simply a reaction to TRA's doing their usual thing where they go berserk if you make even the mildest and most specific of criticisms of anything or anyone transgender. If they already all hate your guts why mince words?
There's a probably an element of damage control too, an awareness that she needs to work on selling herself as 'one of the good ones' now that public opinion appears to be shifting and she can't count on support from her fellow gendies anymore.
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>>2406116>I wonder why she's suddenly speaking up about this. Old trannies are being dragged because back when they trooned out they at least accepted the fact that their desire to mutilate their bodies was a mental illness as opposed to being a hip and cool fad.
These new troons that don't detransition will likely be dragged and hated by gen beta troons because they will be against giving infants tranny surgeries for not liking their gender assigned color or some shit.
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Trannies are so stupid. No, the rape apologist crack addict did not make a great point that women have penis envy. You just hate women and have immense pussy envy.
No. 2406278
>>2406188"Penis envy" was never about a literal wish to have a penis, instead it's about a feeling of being robbed of something (whether the thing exists or not) and the resulting jealousy/inferiority complex that occured in many of Freud's female patients. These early psychological concepts were always metaphors. He coined a male equivalent of this but he thought it was much more literal and in-your-face for men (as in, his envious male patients seemed to actually want a womb and shared wishes or dreams to give birth). I guess he was right because troons are extremely literal and think we'd want a penis the same way they want womb transplants kekkk
>You just hate women and have immense pussy envy.Exactly. They're projecting their own male sexual complexes onto us
No. 2406376
>>2406329This is so true. My profession, hobbies and social circle require that I am socialized almost entirely with men and anyone who actually believes men engage in less vicious gossip than women has probably never really gotten to know that many men very well.
There might be exceptions but every TiF I'm aware of or have personally met lives in a strict dichotomy wherein woman = bad/conformist and man = good/individual.
No. 2406380
>>2406329I never understood why TIFs back when I was in high school thought they were anything close to being male. Like they were little alt girls with short hair who sat in the corner during lunch and watched anime on their phones. Meanwhile the boys were snapping each other's asses in the boys' bathroom and probably comparing dick size and wrestling on the school oval and harassing people.
Yes the answer is that they have a really fictional fantastical view of maleness thanks to their lack of socialisation and anime/K-pop etc. but it's funny how they insist to be one of the real boys but could never be close
No. 2406437
>>2406380Yeah. Tif is just internalized misogyny mixed with nloggery whereas tim is just plain old misogyny.
Tifs are the tardwives of the left.
No. 2406464
>>2406452My former best friend became a TiF and it's genuinely baffling behavior. She had never really had any male friends other than guys who had no interest in her that she wanted to date and she ended up adopting a fucked up tautology wherein anything men did that sucked shit was 'not true masculine!'
The ways men actually behave became fake and her absurd fantasies became some kind of sublimated reality that abrogated her actual experiences. I'm around the fuckers almost all the time but somehow, when I tell her that her concepts of men are horrifically inaccurate, I'm just deluded. You can't use reason to argue someone else out of an unreasonable position.
No. 2406532
>>2406464This is why masculinity is literally a meme invented for no true Scotsman purposes. It's about as real as gender identity. The only real thing is maleness and male evolutionary directive, which is plainly observable and immutable whether the moid is "masculine" or not. Any libfem who at some point finds herself wondering why left/lib/gay moids end up exerting the exact same parasitic effects are very close to seeing past the mystification, but never quite make it because deep down they don't like what it implies.
>>2406437On a more fundamental level, TIFs and libfems are fulfilling the female urge to see men as something more than they really are, but with their own left-wing ideological tools. There is indeed no difference between an Achillean uwu blushing penis smolboy, a Paglia tier fakelez fujoshi-cockchan enamored with the Hellenic glory of male urination and a tardwife that thinks a worthless amoral coom chimp is God on earth. In fact, they're often stages in the life cycle of the same midwitted pickme - always circling around the truth and never quite getting it.
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I will say that i sympathize alot with lesbian tifs. There was a rape and murder against a lesbian transgender back in like 1993 that was extremely similar to Matthew Shepard's case, her name was Brandon Teena. She was seen as male by all of her peers till they found out she was a woman and tortured her, that kind of treatment towards lesbians is why so many of them would rather be seen as male. When I was younger- I felt similarly. The 2010's really felt like the peak of acceptance for gays. Now as we go deeper into the 2020's the landscape gets more ostracizing towards lesbians (On the left, and especially from the right) I expect to see more hsts lesbians
No. 2406919
>>2406329>>2406380I don't know how this doesn't make their "dysphoria" go nuclear. I only see a few posts every one in a while in the fakeboi thread about them feeling bad about not being able to get along with boys their age, but not many. I live in a third world country, all of them openly say they're scared of men and pretty much only other women in their in groups use their pronouns. They're the literal definition of trying to escape misogyny while also being painfully reminded of biological reality and ducking their heads if it means avoiding trouble.
>Like they were little alt girls with short hair who sat in the corner during lunch and watched anime on their phones.Of course, these are the most vindictive bitches alive to other women over ~twansphobia~ because they're pretty much the only ones they can bully. Vendettas with men get them called stupid retarded Bitches with a capital B because they can't opt out of oppression nor even bother to pass. They're painfully sheltered women who somehow are so aware of their reality that they try to kick other women under the bus for a chance to opt out. If they don't sober up and realize we're in this together, they can go fuck themselves. You will never be an anime prettyboy and fanfiction isn't real.
No. 2407039
>>2406805>>2406807I disagree that HSTS want to completely blend in with women. Maybe a few of them do, or think they do, but plenty of HSTS see themselves as superior to ‘cis’ women and want to be recognised as such. They often enjoy using their male strength and aggression to intimidate the women around them. Remember that video of Nikita Dragun reverting to his deep male voice to threaten the woman police officer as soon as (he thought) he was alone with her? I’ll also never forget that image of a troon dragging a woman through the street by her hair like the caveman he is. They don’t want to fit in with us, they want to be Queen Bee and use their maleness as a cudgel to enforce this. They also don’t want men to treat them like women, but like the male-invented porn version of what men pretend to think women are; pampered and desired. If other men started treating them the way men treat actual women, HSTS would go back to ‘boymoding’ real fast.
>>2406887>he will acknowlage hes a womanAnon…
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>>2407039>plenty of HSTS see themselves as superior to ‘cis’ women and want to be recognised as suchexactly. they are not the poor little oppressed gays even many gc people believe them to be
No. 2407277
>>2406532>There is indeed no difference between an Achillean uwu blushing penis smolboy, a Paglia tier fakelez fujoshi-cockchan enamored with the Hellenic glory of male urination and a tardwife that thinks a worthless amoral coom chimp is God on earth. In fact, they're often stages in the life cycle of the same midwitted pickme KEKKKK this is it. All of these women have a similar problem with the cards they've been dealt but instead of pushing back they desperately attach themselves to the men they envy, hoping to be elevated above their personal hell. It's standard heterosexual yin-yang complementary bullshit where their titchop self-insert/historical figure/trad husband is understood to be them but
better, because he has the thing they so desperately want (humanity). This in and of itself isn't that bad, tons of women have been fed this lie but they can grow out of it. For whatever reason TiFs and paglia-chans remain stuck with their frustration and let it rot and fester. Trad women crash out because they'll actually find a man and realize he's just some guy, then transfer that delusional wish to their sons, turning into boymoms or the mother they hated growing up. The other types keep huffing imaginary copium and we have to witness it in public
>>2406633I feel like TiFs and TiMs both come from places of resentment and feeling robbed or limited, but their solution is different. TiFs are begging to be anything but themselves
while wishing to be the woman of their ideal male archetype. Their envy will be quenched by proximity with men, or
a man. TiMs take their revenge by trying to literally possess female attributes, there's this fantasy of total control and that's when they get off, when they feel like they're completely self-sufficient.
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KEK at the comments being off. She looks so smug
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>>2407141Have to mention before I start, literally dying at his profile pic. This you?
> more attractive than youThere is not a single TiM alive or dead who has, in real life (with zero photoshop, lighting tricks, or flattering angles) looked better than the most average woman. Cry harder.
>stay attractive longer than you.Scrotes nine times out of ten actually age significantly worse than women, but they’ve been bullying women over the most minuscule signs of aging for so long they don’t even understand women being over 25 and still attractive as a concept. (Not that a woman exists to be attractive in any capacity, but it’s hilarious how they don’t even come close to “beating” us in the categories their moid brains care about most)
>we bitch less than you do.The entirety of the troon community and its existence in and of itself would beg (violently demand, with rape threats) to differ.
> Men get along with us better than you.First off, if that were true, it would solely be down to scrote camaraderie and coomer retardation. Secondly, normie men hate these greasy little fucks. Not for the reasons we do, but they still hate them, and would likely enact violence upon them if given a consequence free opportunity. And any “straight” man who says he would fuck you is a massive fag in denial. It is the least “affirming” thing possible.
> they made a giant mistake in settling for less Good lord, I don’t think I’ve seen anyone cope this hard in a long ass time. Less than what? An ugly, annoying, mentally ill freak who either has another fucking penis or an open festering wound? Oh yeah, I’m sure that shit brings straight men RUNNING from their marriages.
>sTeM cElLs! StEm CeLlS!! you HaTe Us BeCaUsE wE cAn RePlAcE yOu! The womb envy truly knows no bounds. You hate us, because realistically you know regardless of advancements made in medical science, you will never truly be women. You have to tell yourself that you not only are women in every possible sense regardless of the glaring evidence to the contrary, but also that your endless flaws somehow make you better than actual women because otherwise you will 41%. In all likelihood your precious stem cell research and uterine transplants will NEVER enable you to have a child no matter how much time passes. The majority of the world legitimately hates you even if they don’t show it outwardly. Please, feel free to give yourselves Colombian neckties at any time.
Troons are such
victims! Troons are so nice! They’ve never done anything to you! Troons just want to blend in and live normal lives! Troons are the least misogynistic people on the planet! Just because some of them behave worse than animals it doesn’t mean they’re all bad! Meanwhile troons:
(Saged just in case, but I just had to pick apart that shit pile.)
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>>2407141>men get along better with us than with younow why do you think that is?
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>>2407370fat MOGAI handmaidens when i tell them transracialism too is
valid because race too is a concept
No. 2407447
>>2407277>that's when they get off, when they feel like they're completely self-sufficientnotice how these men almost always have mommy issues also
like either a boymom enabler that never told them 'no', or they'll claim that mommy didn't love them enough (read: she told them 'no').
some psych doc i remember stumbling across once had a theory that the reason why AGPs crave 'assuming the female role' is because essentially it allows them to roleplay as the women they WISH they had in their lives and now every time i see one i can't get that idea out of my head.
No. 2407832
>>2405706UK women are so based about this. it's so annoying because over here troonism acceptance is linked with being a good person/left-winger while if you even so much as question it you're labeled a heartless hateful conservative. seems like in the UK there's way more nuance
>>2406116buck has always been cool and critical about this. i respect him. like another anon said if all trans people were like him, this shit wouldn't be a problem.
No. 2407963
>>2407956If lesbians would be more big in numbers we wouldn’t have this problem. Look at how gay scrotes don’t have to prostate and kiss TIF’s asses, given that bi scrotes don’t use their label too. But we have fakebians, bihets and bisexuals with internalized biphobia that intrude our spaces and language and give leeway to fucking men.
I prefered the old school homophobia at this point.
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taking a survey for money and I saw this, what the fuck? kek
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I'm so tired of tras and troons acting like q hayashida's obvious joke of everybody refering to shimada death from dai dark by masculine pronouns and she herself using "ore" when shes a hot buff lady means that shes somehow muh he/him representation. Its a joke. In the same manga there is an ongoing gag of a different main character who looks like a middle age man constantly reminding everybody he's sixteen. They're jokes! Shimada refers to herself as a "fair lady" when disguised as a "human. I feel like these people ruin everything they fucking touch.
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>>2408600What do you expect from people who think Yamato is trans because she uses "ore" because she wants to be like her hero, not a real man.
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trannies are the only people that don't find this weird
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Found this gem in the wild.
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That body of water is not going to drown us for calling it "sir/ma'am".
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>>2409153Picrel.
>>2409169They do not eat the whole "woman in a man body". We should learn more from Korean radical feminists.
No. 2409678
>>2406464I'd feel so sad if a female friend of mine trooned out and was that delusional. I've had mostly male friend groups unfortunately so all I've seen is men trooning out and I never really feel bad for them since it just exposes their misogyny. As a result I was never delusional about male nature though since I interacted with males more and knew I was different from them even if I also didn't fit in with the girls. Though I guess you could say women who feel this way usually end up turning non binary which I never did.
That way your friend had of seeing it reminds me of shit like "he wasn't a real man, just a boy" being a common thing people say anytime a man does some fucked up shit. Like no, that IS the typical male behavior, kek. I guess it's similar to how TIMs also have no actual female friends a lot of the time, they mostly interact with other males and will get their idea of what womanhood is from anime and the internet while ignoring the way actual women behave, yet still claim they relate to women and are one themselves. Every guy I know who trooned out was always extremely different from me and behaved very much like the other males outside of this desire of theirs to wear female clothing so it's always ironic.
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cishet man? I think the correct word is troons. She has a point but she's a troon chaser
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>>2409694So close yet so far
No. 2409720
>>2409153Oh man the article somehow gets even more painful.
I mean it's obvious this guy is just a perv but apparently they looked into his social media and found how unashamedly coom he is
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>>2409709she's a handmaiden and a diaperfur
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>>2409064It's literally just an unflattering angle. She doesn't look like a troon. Mind blowing that she's still defending troons after they called her a clock twinkhon, though. She's saying shit like
>It's not an insult to be compared to a trans woman!1Libfems have zero self respect I stg.
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>At that point in my transition my pronouns were they/them and I had never in my 21 years of living willingly used she/her pronouns. She was more than aware of this, and actively chose to misgender me for months. Now that I am a binary he/him man, and I look as such, I love to imagine how disgusted she is by me.
You still want to sexualize me and get in my pants now?
some tranny faggots at my school made a zine about le evil terfs on campus. this little anecdote really got me. because most of the time it’s trans agps who exhibit this type of behavior. also just the way this feeds into the predatory lesbian stereotype is insane. everything about this is insane. the comparison of misandrists to conservatives. everything. god please get me out of this fuck ass school.
No. 2409991
>>2409914is it weird I feel bad for the girl she's talking shit about? I've had unwanted sexual advances by other women made towards me but it was never nearly as traumatizing or scary as when men make unwanted sexual advances.
This TIF comes off as a HUGE handmaiden.
No. 2410058
>>2409904She can’t just say that she feels insulted , otherwise they’ll throw rape and death threats at her.
No woman wants to be told that she looks like a tranny, even the most hardcore handmaiden , even if they tell you that “beautiful girls are always clocks and get doll allegations” kek. The overly fake compliment and cope gives it away.
No. 2410090
>>2409914The self loathing is insane in this one. The girl she's shit talking probably feels the same way we do, disgusted by her cutting off her nose to spite her face and pretending that it's a win. Nobody sees her as a man, no matter how many pronoun pins she wears and how many women she throws under the bus for the sake of attention. If she detranses she's going to be a raging tardwife boymom who helps him rape lesbians. What a horrorcow in the making, this is why it's hard to be sympathetic to TIFs until they see the light and detrans.
>>2409991Yeah, I feel bad for her too. Tbh the TIF sounds so schizo that it's hard to tell if the other girl was hitting on her or if the TIF's narc logic/repressed lesbianism/burning rage for stacies/desperate need for attention/extreme homophobia made her think she was being hit on, and she wanted the other girl to feel bad for 'causing' this retard to butcher herself. Idk, I'm not mentally ill enough to understand the terminally online.
No. 2410173
>>2409914>the kind of friendship that forms through trauma-bonding and surviving orientation togetherso the profound bond that comes from starting school in the same year, and having one conversation where you say "my parents got divorced and it made me sad" "yeah me too." got it.
>never in my 21 years of living willingly used she/her pronounsso you discovered tumblr at a young age and had already hopped the bandwagon before high school. got it.
No. 2410201
>>2410173>never in my 21 years of living willingly used she/her pronounsgod that shit sounds so misogynistic. The caping for moids makes me roll my eyes so god damn hard.
I'd love for terfs to anonymously make a counterzine and pass it around.
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Apparently old but gold. They really believe this lie kek (it had almost 10k likes)
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>>2410376found this similar one on Reddit and couldn’t not share. It’s amazing how they’re so nearly self aware, but then have to tac on the delusions to make themselves feel good.
No. 2410386
>>2410383>gr00mSelf-censorship in an
image…
No. 2410406
>>2410383If they're just "living their lives" why don't they ever shut the fuck up?
If you have to artificially create a hormone imbalance in yourself, cut off mutilate and carve up your body parts, demand access into spaces you aren't welcome in, put immense effort and time into looking, acting, and sounding a certain way that's unnatural to you, and bully everyone else into playing along with these delusions, how is that "just living your life"? That's mento illness luv xx
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Now that many news outlets (even guardian) has stated that the suspects of the Sam Norquist murder were also "LGBTQ+", reddit queerios are losing it. They are alternating between finger pointing at "cis queers", trying to blame the female suspects while excusing the male ones, and mass downvoting all comments that ask for evidence that the murder happened specifically because the victim was trans. It's such a clown show
No. 2410531
>>2410528>we shouldn't assume men raped the victim because they would have used their penises!Typical misogynist. As if we don't all know men will typically use objects to assault
victims in order to torture them. Disgusting.
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I despise it when I find a video that tries to imply grievances about being homosexual but it’s really just another gendie troon
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very edgy, it's funny that I could tell this was made by a tif
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>>2410657Do they ever make these without implied homicide? Anyways this button is from 1916
No. 2410676
>>2410528Kekkk. They can’t claim it’s transphobia now if it’s TIMs who did it. Best assured that they’ll wrap it up as quickly as possible.
The TIF is no longer martyr material.
No. 2410741
>>2410409It's telling that the lesbian journalist who trooned out for a year then killed herself passed better as a man BEFORE she trooned. When she took T she got shit from everyone for being a tranny because she looked so obviously female despite the pube beard.
It's like that for moids too, the androgynous pre-wall ones look feminine until they take horse piss. The tube moobs and ill-fitting clothes only accentuate their male bodies, their awful makeup highlights their male faces, their greasy hair shows the male pattern baldness that no amount of girl skittles can cure.
No. 2410771
>>2410376I've seen dudes who have been on HRT for YEARS, literally none of them have ever developed buxom cleavage because of it. If you ever see a troon the looks like Bowsette then it's because they have had a massive amount of plastic surgery.
Honestly that's what I don't understand, none of this has a
point. People say they just want to live their lives but when you're living as a walking spectacle by dressing up in some asinine attention-grabbing way and then complaining that people treated you like a weirdo, you're not 'just living your life'. If you're obsessed with gender to the point that you begin to feel like you physically cannot stand your own body, it's not 'a new identity', it's being SICK in the same way an anorexic is sick, you have self-groomed into hating your physicality. But even if you go through all the surgery, waste all your money on medication, ruin your natural speaking voice, spend years wondering when it's gonna start working, it never will. People will always be able to tell. Even the kindest handmaiden will always treat you like a TRANSwoman or TRANSman, with all the associated dancing around pronouns and privileged access that entails, you will never actually have the genuine experience of the opposite sex in any regard. For FTMs it's even worse, there is literally no surgery that can recreate even a recognizable fascimile of male genital anatomy. To me that's also where the claims of gender dysphoria become completely unbelievable because HOW is it that having a piece of flesh fused to you that you literally have to inflate with an external artificial mechanism not the ultimate
trigger in feeling like 'I am not a real man'? If a woman is to the point of getting that surgery she must be the ultimate dysphoria sufferer, right? Why a solution that consciously draws your attention to the problem every single time it is in use?
When someone starts talking about their dysphoria all I hear is a new vocabulary term in which to say, 'I hate myself and wish I was a different, cooler and more attractive person". And that's what trans ideology promises them: that they'll suddenly have oodles of supportive, fawning girlfriends or male sexual attention (MTFs) or finally be respected or not have their bodies judged as women's anymore (FTMs). They desperately want what the other side's got in a 'grass is greener' kind of way, seeing none of the downsides, but it's like admiring your neighbor's lawn and deciding, "I can get the same exact results if I just spray paint my lawn" then wondering why it looks terrible and your grass has all died. For 99.9999% of transpeople who were not already feminine twinks or linebacker butches before they got their hands on hormones, there is not a snowflake's chance in hell of passing, but they all want to pretend they're going to come out Nikita Dragun and Butch Angel and in reality even the ones who have spent $200k on surgeries are completely clockable as soon as they open their mouths. They will never be treated as the opposite sex, they will always just be in the 'trans' category which they supposedly will be bothered by. What is the point? There is no conceivable path of logic that leads to happiness in this situation even if you buy hook-line-and-sinker into every delusion Tumblr or Reddit puts in front of you.
One FtM I know is currently bemoaning the new Trump administration because 'i wanted to get on hormones but now what if someone treats me weird or I get discriminated against???' and I just want to grab her like LMAO BITCH YOU JUST TOLD ON YOURSELF, YOU DON'T NEED IT IF IT'S EVEN A QUESTION because transition was ALWAYS supposed to be a last resort for incurable dysphoria that would result in fucking killing yourself. If your options are either kys because you physically cannot stand existing, or transition, then necessity would demand you choose the latter, but the fact that she's not gonna do it because scawwy twump hates da twans means killing herself was never actually on the table and no respectable psych ward should be prescribing her anything but sugar pills.
genuinely this is the first time I have ever grudgingly given that
toxic dementia-addled buffoon in office a SINGLE shred of credit for any positive side-effects of his dumbass actions but making her hold off on taking a bunch of drugs and surgeries (which I have no idea how she even planned to afford because she works minimum wage, was the government ACTUALLY paying for people's HRT or something?) is ACTUALLY the silver lining to this regime of unbearable bullshit.
No. 2410851
>>2410657At what point of them describing how much they ardently hate gender-critics and wish they'd all die and think they should be punched in the face for existing do we get to use the term '
terf-phobic'? Because this is just rampant bigotry under the guise of 'they did it first!' except that I have literally never actually seen a radical feminist call for transpeople to be attacked in the street or killed. Only the TRAs.
Literally this is just calling for the deaths of people who disagree with them and if it's questioned they retreat into 'ackshually THEY are the ones threatening my EXISTENCE with their OPINIONS, which is basically the same thing as violence, so rly they attacked me FIRST and punching them in the face only LOOKS like an unwarranted attack because you're UNEDUCATED and probably a BIGOT'. It is just mental gymnastics to avoid the fact that they are actually the ones perpetrating and encouraging violence, literally to the point of selling pro-violence merch. Then they wonder why nobody accepts them as 'true' women when they have just encouraged the most male-coded response to conflict: physical aggression. How is this 'deconstructing gender' instead of a blatant example of someone's biological urge influencing their social behavior despite their best attempts to conform to the opposite sex's?
No. 2410934
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>knew a guy years ago named Kristopher Bottrall through mutual friends
>studied acting
>said weird misogynistic shit about women, made creepy advances towards me and my boyfriend at the time (before i came out as lesbian)
>facebook memory popped up, got curious what he's up to
>now a troon porn actor going by "Kalli Grace Bottrall" or "theekalligrace mauri"
>apparently roommates in las vegas with gay scrote wannabe popstar "alexzone" with sexual assault and pedophilia allegations
he looks so much worse after transitioning kek. you can tell he's doing it for the fetish.
No. 2410941
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TRAs and trannies somehow never realize that we just want them out of female spaces. You are a male, no matter what makeup or clothes you wear. You don’t have any right to come and stomp on women.
No. 2410945
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>>2410941Cue to them thinking that we “secretly want to fuck them” too kek. They really do operate like your average man.
>trans pornIt’s other trannies and queerios watching it though.
They wouldn’t be T4T or crying about genitalia preference if their dating pool was as big as they claim it to be kek.
No. 2410975
>>2410941we want you to stop. we want you to love the body you were born in, don't give your hard-earned money to overzealous psych docs or plastic surgeons, become a 'feminine man' instead of thinking that 'feminine qualities' are so destructive to your manhood that you have to drug yourself up for years and pay thousands of dollars in order to exorcise all masculinity from your body so that sensitivity or nurturing instincts aren't ~iN cOnFlIcT wItH' your physical biology. become content with who you are instead of seeking to be someone else.
like damn i know this type of encouragement does not work because i have tried it before, but i travel in libfem spaces, i am not recognizable as a '
terf', some of my friends or even exes have trooned out and i am genuinely sad to watch them self-harm like this. in like 10 years that's all it's going to be seen as: a group of mentally ill people hurting themselves with drugs and doctors instead of EDs and x-acto knives.
No. 2410980
>>2410948when men watch trans porn they're 'chasers' and 'gross'
but somehow they still love the idea of people watching tranny porn so who do they think is watching it? women? no.
it really reinforces the idea that all they are looking for is
women who will serve them both sexually and socially once they assume the trans identity.
No. 2410986
>>2410945I apologize for not having a pic, I’ll have to do a little digging, but this reminds me of the time that some porn exec (?) publicly admitted that it’s incredibly well known in the industry (as in, studies were done that the porn industry paid to have covered up) that what people see in porn can literally alter their brains, so a lot of companies will push specific porn to get people addicted to their specific niche and boost their profit, or bolster the execs political agenda, and even attempt to “change” peoples sexuality. But the specific guy in question, said his company promotes and advertises trans porn incessantly to try and get porn addled moids into it, and (I shit you not) to somehow further trans rights as a result. The only people watching troon porn are people in the gendie cult and men with fucked up fetishes. The reason it’s such a “popular” category is because the overwhelming majority of the people who watch it are men, and thus will probably watch porn at least once a day, if not multiple. Yet somehow in the minds of TiMs this means everyone on the planet secretly wants to fuck them, and that actually everyone watches that sweet sweet troon porn, but they just won’t admit it.(Sorry again for not having a pic, I’ll see what I can find.)
No. 2410988
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>>2410969i was also confused by that. the only explanation i can come up with is that the two athletes who were disqualified were intersex but not aware of it before testing and did not experience genital mutations that made it obvious. this is actually pretty common among intersex women, many of them develop 'normally' (albeit there might be small signs like less breast tissue development than average or an enlarged clitoris) and never question whether they have a genetic abnormality until it's brought to their attention in ways like being infertile. whether it actually grants masculine physical advantages like khalif is purported to have varies on a case-by-case basis, but i think it's pretty clear from height and build that khalif and yu-ting are cases where it did. i can't look at picrel and see anything other than a man's physiognomy. if i'm wrong then it would genuinely be the first time i think i've seen a fully biological woman 'pass' as male without trying, hormones, or effort at all.
No. 2411046
>>2411029honestly if intersex male from those countries it would kind of explain it
a lot of times in the past, doctors who encountered an intersex child that was clearly 'in-between' genders (true hermaphroditism is extremely rare but not completely out of the running here), they would choose to castrate the male anatomy because it was seen as easier to live as a female than a 'third sex'. which would explain why the algerians said khalif was 'born and raised female', if they literally chose her sex through a snip snip and then the family just acted like they'd had a daughter with zero birth defects or abnormalities.
genuinely impossible to speculate upon further without additional evidence tho
No. 2411090
>>2410941I just want trannies to stop pretending they're women at all. That's it. No matter what you wear you will never be a woman.
>>2410945>>2410948Holy copium lmfao. If you don't like me you just want to fuck me!! Do they really think every single tranny hater is some sort of closeted conservative chaser.
No. 2411141
>>2411132I think when I've read texts that claim 'true hermaphroditism' what the implication is that it is a female child that was born with an abnormally enlarged clitoris which, because that is the same tissue which develops into a penis in XYs, can be read as 'being born with both genitalia'. But these were also texts from like 100+ years ago that were asserting such claims iirc. so i guess my argument is that 'true hermaphroditism' has been
described in history before but it's impossible to know what that actually looked like and regardless such people were infertile anyways so they can't be said to have fully functioning genitalia even if they were castrated to remove the 'male' segments.
No. 2411145
>>2411132samefag, ok apparently they are being mutilated, thats my bad. it's still possible rural parents in a third world country think they have a normal baby girl and just bring them up like that.
>>2411141but that's not what a true hermaphrodite is. a true hermaphrodite would have sperm and eggs.
No. 2411180
>>2411156the worst part is that i've seen intersex people who are conditioned into believing they are automatically trans BECAUSE they are intersex instead of going on to just live their lives as, idk, normal females with a big clit who aren't involved in sports and therefore don't even need to get into any kind of legal dispute.
but the ones who ARE are in the olympics most likely because they have male attributes. iirc there's something about the male shoulder/arm socket positioning that allows them to throw and punch much more efficiently than females which also explains why even a supposedly non-transphobic professional boxer bowed out of a fight after a punch to the face from khalif. she claimed it was just because it hurt so much that she couldn't go on. if we are expected to believe her explanation with 100% conviction, EVEN SO she is saying that the pain khalif inflicted was markedly above average in her experience of boxing matches.
No. 2411318
>>2410969>>2410988>>2411029Khelif and Yu-Ting were disqualified from the International Boxing Association because they failed testosterone level tests, and then chromosome tests. The Olympics uses different sports organizations to screen athletes, and the IBA was doing the screening for the Olympics with boxing, but was dropped for the 2024 Olympics because there was "Russian corruption" or something going on with the IBA, so the Olympics didn't have any screening organization for boxing and defaulted to only using identity documents. Since both Khelif and Yu-Ting have DSDs and were assigned female at birth (only place where the "assigned" term ever makes sense) they had documents that labeled them as female, and qualified for the female boxing competition.
IIRC, neither of them have been in any IBA matches after the Olympics. Also there's a couple threads here
>>>/ot/2239839 but it was infested with 4chan scrotes so it's kinda
toxic.
No. 2411334
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Kekkkk.
No. 2411539
>>2409971There is actually a discord I'm in that doesn't allow TiMs but does allow TiFs so long as they don't whine about being called female but we can't even advertise as such or be open about it without risking getting shut down.
Moids still try to get in constantly and expect us to validate them in the holding space
No. 2411740
>>2411736>he wants to be in the girls onsen, but not in a predatory way, just to validate his rot pocket!!!This is just so disgusting when you remember that nudity in onsens in Japan is NOT sexual at all, it is a place purely to relax and bathe and is a very normal part of everyday life. Many families will go with their children.
My first time ever doing it, I had a gaggle of middle aged Japanese women trying to prove I shouldn't be ashamed of my body These are the absolute most comfortable and safest protected places for women in Japan, unfortunately. He shouldn't be allowed in ANY of them, god forbid some poor child has to see those horrors
No. 2411743
>>2411736Not to beat a dead horse, but this was one of the most glaring TiM red flags that peaked me back in the day. If you literally just want to be recognized as a woman, why do you need to enter sex segregated spaces where real women are especially vulnerable? Why can’t you just go bathe amongst men? Oh yeah, because it doesn’t make you coom .
>>2411741Not gonna lie, if these misogynistic pieces of shit are suffering because of some voluntary self mutilation motivated by their skin walking fetish, good. I refuse to have sympathy for them.
No. 2411746
>>2411733Ew you like, saw it irl?
Its hard enough for me to have seen a few photos of them, it's vomit inducing.
No. 2411753
>>2411745>>2411746Thankfully I didn't see it. It was my faghag friends troon friend, rich 18 year old HSTS who had already undergone most of his procedures FFS etc underage.
>"I'm trans if you didn't notice"He literally just looked like a gay male though, not even a twink kek. I would sometimes catch myself holding my nose shut because of the stench
No. 2411758
>>2411741From what I understand, if they allow it to close they’ll fucking die. They have to dilate it for basically forever, which is part of the reason why even the ones that aren’t using the colon are still disgusting. It is a wound that they can not let heal.
(Maybe letting it close is a good option, kek)
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>>2410383Someone should copypaste the left one onto the right one.
Spoiler for animu porn, but I don't doubt that the ones that call that anime "positive queer representation" are mostly otaku tims. I cannot write that in F!S because I'll get called a
terf.
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>>2411764those troons also think that this forcefem lolishit anime is a good trans representation, the jokes just write themselves
No. 2411773
>>2411753>18 got his genitals totally destroyedJesus christ. I feel a little bad because he's just a kid. I bet he went on blockers at like age 10 or some shit, then ended up with a microdick so they had to use his colon. Thats probably why is stunk especially bad
How fucking depressing.
No. 2411777
>>2411753>He literally just looked like a gay male thoughThey always do. I knew a now well-known troon who many people think passes. He looked like what he is, a gay man in a dress irl.
>>2411758>if they allow it to close they will die Kek, where did you hear that? They won’t die, if anything letting it heal would be a net benefit from forcing it open. It is not uncommon for them to heal shut because they can’t keep up with the dilation schedule or just by simple nature of the body trying to heal itself.
No. 2411778
>>2411764this series is straight-up disgusting.
a troon once advertised it on a server i was in and after that i could not see him as anything other than a kiddie porn enjoyer. i genuinely mean it when i say everyone praising this shit should be in jail.
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I fucking hate TRAs, I hate them with every fiber in my body. You cannot make the argument that bisexuality would be the default given the "right environment" and then argue that somebody saying it's conversion therapy rhetoric is ackshaully wrong!11! and a friggin terve!!!!111q!!1 You cannot argue that sexuality has no basis when you are saying that everyone is actually bisexual. Sexuality does have a basis, do people not understand how small the homosexual population is? It's a phenomenon. It is rare to be homosexual, most homosexuals have anecdotes pre-puberty. The basis of homosexuality is a combination of a lot of things. It's not a social phenomenon otherwise homosexuals in countries that shove them in the slammer for being gay wouldn't exist. It is fucking conversion therapy rhetoric to bitch about the "born this way" era. The argument against homosexuality has almost always been "it's gross because it is not the natural way of life and you all must breed and be trad", it has ALWAYS been that. You cannot bitch about the "born this way" era when that was a direct response to eons of homophobia and then argue that what you're saying is not conversion therapy rhetoric. People are so fucking evil towards lesbians my fucking god, I hate it. The person backtracking in picrel is OP, by the way. I hate TRAs so fucking bad they are absolutely destroying everything gays have fought for
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>>2411782
Things can heal improperly and lead to complications, yeah, but it doesn’t mean that it’s for certain going to happen. I would imagine that after the initial healing process if a troon stopped dilating and let it heal naturally that their risk for complications is relatively low. I believe the sepsis concern is much higher earlier in the process with increased risks of developing fistulas, popped stitches, infection, etc. Picrel is the dilation schedule one doctor recommends his patients to follow. Given the time commitment I’m sure most rotpockets heal shut more often than not.
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>>2411793
I can't remember why but for some reason both rotpocket types have fecal odor, which I remember surprising people on KF or ovarit a while back. I think one type can definitely close because they're warned not to stop dilating for that reason. If it becomes like picrel, I wasn't aware but there are always new horrors lurking around every corner when it comes to this "procedure"
No. 2411802
>>2411777NTA But it's specifically the ones that get the colon/bowel surgery. If the hole closes, the organ still produces… stuff, which will have nowhere to go.
There was some case where a woman had to get a radical hysterectomy, where pretty much every piece of the uterus (cervix, ovaries, tubes, etc) and some surrounding tissue has to be removed, and got a colovaginoplasty so she could still have sex with her husband. Eventually she got tired of the upkeep and stopped, it sealed, and she had to get it removed because it basically turned into a horrifying cyst.
No. 2411821
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The unironic use of uwu and the fucking cat features I’m going to have a stroke.
No. 2411824
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>>2411793That makes sense for colovaginoplasty. Most troons choose the peritoneal inversion vaginoplasty however so it’s a bit of a moot point. I vaguely remember reading that with colovaginoplasties that the equipment still works like what it is, a colon, so not only does it smell but it also lubricates and twitches when food is consumed.
>>2411800>both smell like shitI’m guessing but the real estate to create the rotpocket is very limited in a male body. It’s not uncommon for there to be wound dehiscence that effects the rectum. Plus general cleanliness needs to be accounted for. They are not self-cleaning and regularly need to be douched or else bacteria grows. Over time that will cause a smell to form.
Picrel is from the other farms and is Fistulissa. He had a peritoneal inversion vaginoplasty that healed improperly and resulted in a fistula, which resulted in a pocket forming allowing waste and bacteria to collect and grow. During his corrective surgery things became worse and he ended up needing a colostomy bag for about six months until he could get another surgery to repair his now damaged colon.
No. 2411825
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>>2411821Kek the trans urge to commit acts of violence
No. 2411826
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I think the saddest part of all is that there’s a part of me that hopes this is satirical, and logically I know it’s not.
No. 2411896
>>2411893nta but I saw it on yt a while ago on a
terf channel. I think it was a short. It had the one asian repeat masturbator and a few others. All of the smaller yt terfs are subscribed to each other so it might be easier to find there
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This is a fucking vile thing to say
No. 2411927
>>2407370Whenever this retarded argument gets brought up it just makes me think that gendies have truly lost. If you're willing to admit that woman is when thick lips and long hair, then what IS gender to you, really? Same thing with saying Elon's hair plugs are "gender affirming care". It just crumbles the entire foundation of gender ideology and shows how truly regressive and backwards their ideas are.
I was talking to a friend the other day about sex dolls and what makes a woman. Of course, a big hunk of plastic isn't a woman, but it contains the simulation of one. What is a woman outside of a set of parts? When I ask you to imagine a 'woman', what sort of person comes to mind? If the person that comes to mind has long hair, makeup, is wearing a dress or skirt or heels, why? Why is that the first person that comes to mind? Why not a butch woman? Or a woman who's bald or who wears t-shirts and pants or no makeup. The fact that gendies aren't willing to deconstruct these ideas is part of what began to peak me in the first place.
No. 2411936
>>2410941this is so manipulative kek. people don't say "he doesn't even try" about trannies who "aren't really into makeup". they say that about trannies who have zero issues with their dick and male facial hair. not because being clean shaved and castrated makes you a woman, but because trannies themselves spread the lie that they feel intense discomfort due to their male body, which is supposed to make them so different from other men and justify their invasion of female spaces.
>>2406764they raped her when they realized she was a woman. being straight would not have saved her. if anything this proves that trooning out does not allow women to escape misogyny (and homophobia) even for the ones who actually manage to conceal their sex which is extremely rare. wanting to be seen as male and surrounding yourself with men is not the logical conclusion to any of this.
No. 2411960
>>2411954Because if sex based oppression doesn't exist, then femicide isn't real. And if those
victims did something other than being women, then maybe it won't happen to them. It's all about denial.
No. 2412045
>>2411776When I heard about the clips where Jazz seem to regret the surgery, and another earlier one where he quietly questions his mom's intentions with the show, I immediately went to the reddit for said show. I was surprised to see so many people that were SO close to peaking in the comments, so many was asking if he really was trans or if his mom groomed him into it which bled into some questioning what they believed about trannies. I don't think anyone
actually peaked, but I want to think it at least sowed some GC thinking into the back of their minds.
No. 2412121
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>>2411824twitter op's profile pic being from dino buzzati's "the morning visitor", a painting about rape, is nearly enough to make me a-log. came across this twitter exchange while i was trying to find the title, too. can trannies ever shut the fuck up