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No. 1834322

AKA Heather Sparkles / Heather Michelle / Heather Explores / Kitty Ravage

1st Thread >>738758
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IG: @haunted_butterfly
@graydayscurio (online shop, still to take off)
@heather_explores (old account)
TT: @heather_explores
YT: heatherexplores19

Heather Steele is a former retro toy collecting and Fairy Kei fashion Youtuber who, at the end of 2018, decided to have a major meltdown and turned all her social media into a public diary. She began cheating on her allegedly abusive husband, and re-wrote herself as some sort of pop Victorian goth and witchy explorer. She got incredibly defensive of her sudden change. In her defensiveness – which she vaguely admitted was to win the affections of a man– she threw a lot of her supporters under the bus, has been unreasonably cocky and aggressive with a lot of people including former friends, and distorted the criticisms (which were towards her overall behavior) into a narrative claiming everyone is just attacking her for her fashion and hobby choices.

She has a history of incredibly self-focused and self-destructive behavior. Over the past few years, she has wildly flipped between “I’m a strong woman and I don’t need to validate myself” to having public meltdowns on social media, only to delete them within an hour. Despite this, she denies she’s mentally ill and attacks the mere notion she needs help, once again using the “people hate me because I’m goth now” narrative.

Heather has alienated herself from all her old friends, but continues to act like everyone was just a bad person and she’s a victim who fled from an “abusive husband” and terrible life. She used and manipulated several people in her life, and spent her 20s being a homebody mooch, then went on to claim she was “living in a hellhole with an abusive husband” in order to garner pity for a Gofundme and claim she was going to be homeless. She was living back at home with her parents for a couple of years, in which she managed to acquire a job and a car (then another, with a lot of help from mommy, after she “totalled” the first).

She finally moved out from mommy’s house, to a new home in a new city, all for the love of Ryan 14 but, as the curse of Heather never runs smoothly, was unceremoniously dumped by her Ryan as soon as she got there. She found a new job, as a Target merchandising manager, and, after a lot of handwringing and lamenting, decided to stay in her new place.

Day-to-day, Our Gal Heather continues all her usual crazy and continues putting ALL her energy towards seeking approval from “boys” and her followers. Her persecution complex, constant negativity, obsession with trying to regain her "influencer" status on social media and frantic love-bombing behavior continues to alienate everyone around her.

Cast of Characters in the Hagther Saga:

>Adam: Heather’s ex husband. Not a stellar person himself, cheated and lied too, but Heather seems to exaggerate the “abuse”. Funded her and bought her gifts. Dating since 2012, engaged 2016, divorced 2019.

>Adam’s new gf: “Hates Heather”, according to Heather. Heather used the new girlfriend’s visit to springboard into a breakdown about how she was in danger and going to be homeless.
>Juliet/Dera: Former friend who put Heather on a pedestal. Heather took advantage of this and used Heather to stalk Ryan 2 Jan 2019. Car ended up in a ditch and they’re not longer friends. Juliet has come out to explain what happened and reflect on it.
>Sisters: Younger and older. Moved out to Cali where she met Adam at the start of the last decade under claims her elder sister was trying to kill her.
>Parents: Claimed her parents wouldn’t take her in because they voted Trump. Finally admitted to living with her mom. Says her family didn’t accept her dark aesthetic so she adopted the pastel aesthetic to be accepted by them.

All the “Ryans” in order:
>Ryan 1: Motivational Youtuber. Heather latched onto him and he apparently tried to help the dysfunctional couple by suggesting Heather seek therapy. Eventually they both threw him to the dogs.
>Ryan 2: Ryan Z. Urbex’er whom Heather latched onto and physically stalked several times by using other people for rides. Met up again Oct 2019, Heather posted some cutesy things, and in less than a day those posts were removed and she put him on blast.
>Ryan 3: Short-lived gamer boy met through Tinder.
>Damian: On-off Urbex boyfriend. Eventually put him on blast after their 500th breakup.
>Ryan 4: Craig. Graveyard photographer Heather briefly dated, but they appear to still be friends.
>Ryan 5: Clay. Ex-boyfriend who broke up with her because she was negative. Tried to lure him back by being negative on her instagram stories.
>Ryan 6: ChaseRyan. Dated for like 2 weeks LDR and were supposed to meet IRL but he changed his mind after he realised she’s batshit.
>Ryan 7: Femryan. Stated dating the second time they met irl. After multiple breakups, Heather decided to end things for good because he wanted to go to a party on Halloween instead of going to the cemetery like all of their other dates.
>Ryan 8: ChaseRyan round 2. They finally met in person but he was also seeing someone else and ultimately chose her instead.
>Ryan 9: CharmRyan/GhostRyan. He got the measure of Hag pretty quick, and confessed to ghosting her cause she was still using Tinder and living her life on social media.
>Ryan 10: BomberRyan, which sparked and fizzled within a week. >>1186214
>Ryan 11: OldRyan, ryanectomy performed in less than 48 hours of this one being on the scene.
>Ryan 12: Revengeryan / Ryanhumrevenge -@Rumhamrevenge, older alt photographer who's been hanging out with Heather. Not a true ryan because he's not a spoopy boy she wants to fuck, but comes in and out of the picture like the other ryans. Their relationship is weird and they've shared hotel rooms, but Heather doesn’t think he's a keeper for some reason. >>1288115 >>1288582 >>1289256
>Ryan 13: PapeRyan. An old friend who she lost touch with ‘because of muh stalkers’. 13, unlucky for some, certainly unlucky for him. It seemed like she had finally found a decent match but it lasted mere weeks, Hag blaming their break up on his religious beliefs.
>Ryan 14: BloodRyan aka Lurch. Heather met her match with this one- just as impulsive, insane, childish and melodramatic as she is. He promised the world, but after she quit her job and moved cities to be with him, he booted her out of his home after only a week…is he to blame? Is she? Heather claims the split was due to her plant collecting hobby, which Lurch was jealous of.
>Ryan 15: BrianRyan aka BRyan. After an initial pre-Christmas date, Hag was sneaking pics and declaring love for this new Ryan. Off-the-peg forest and sigil tattoos, painted nails, thinning hair and 2012 piercings. Heather refers to him as a "psycho" and claims she was too caught up in physical attraction to recognize his "toxic behavior."
>Ryan 16: ClockRyan. A resident of Long Island who she met over an app when he was visiting her area. She fell immediately in "love" and followed him back home, visiting NY with him over a weekend. He broke it off after about a week, apparently due to getting back with his ex.

In the last thread:
>Heather takes a bunch of cringy glamor shots of BRyan, unable to stop gushing about how hot he is >>1736542
>Within days, cracks begin to show >>1739116
>Crying over BRyan >>1742397
>Breadcrumbing the reason behind the their problems >>1744299
>The relationship limps on (crying in the bathtub) >>1746526
>Heather spills the beans >>1750052
>Crying on the kitchen floor >>1750798
>But she doesn't even miss him >>1750969 >>1753737
>Heather is a bisexual martyr >>1755969
>A BIG ANNOUCEMENT! She's going to be herself and follow her passions >>1758150
>Spooky Plant Mommy GF >>1760139
>Update on the toy collection >>1760604
>Heather has Opinions about the price of eggs >>1762092
>Reminscing about Lurch >>1765085
>Ghost BF >>1766253
>Offering to pay someone to be her boyfriend >>1766810
>Tearing up over someone putting a baby on a cannon >>1769678
>Heather explains why she's too real to watch movies >>1770142
>Admitting again that she doesn't read >>1770519
>Exposing thirsty dudes in her DMs - "This is why I have major trust issues" >>1770732
>Immediately posts lingerie pictures >>1770822
>Reminiscing about Damian >>1771492
>Shaming thirsty dudes pt 2 directly after posting lingerie pics >>1771748
>Reminiscing about Ryan Z >>1772261
>Went to the gym (spoiler, she didn't go a few times a week) >>1775810
>Incel whining >>1777904
>Reminiscing about Lurch pt 2 >>1777968
>Falling asleep has cost her two relationships >>1779959
>Reminiscing about living in CA >>1784327
>Heather is a dom >>1788837
>A moment of self-awareness >>1791256
>Getting solicited >>1807606
>Reminiscing about Lurch pt 3 >>1810495
>A hint of a new Ryan??? >>1816249
>Confirmed. Welcome, ClockRyan! >>1819782
>Her plants are dying so she's continually buying more to replace them >>1819809
>Travelling to visit ClockRyan >>1819855
>It's over with ClockRyan (shoutout to Rumham) >>1825168
>Reminiscing about Lurch pt 4 >>1825415
>Crying over ClockRyan >>1826083
>No wait actually she don't need no man >>1827406
>Just kidding she's still crying over ClockRyan >>1827844
>"I'm bi but all I want is a man" >>1830036
>We're back in the lingerie part of the ryancycle >>1830059
>Baby fever >>1830555
>Offering feet pics >>1830626
>She wrote ClockRyan a poem >>1830736

No. 1834324

Here it is as last, sorry for the delay sweet nonnies. This is only my second time making a thread so please let me know if I've screwed anything up.

No. 1834344

Nona! Thank you so much for the thread. Let the HagGames commence!

No. 1834391

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so she went to paracon and looks like made some new friends. how long til she complains about being lonely, lol

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No. 1834395

thank you, nonna, you did good!

No. 1834396

Thank you so much nona! The picture is amazing kek. Did anyone happen to grab the completely deranged outfit story she posted before she left? She was squealing and grinning all wide-eyed saying "this outfit is EVERYTHINGGGG" and gushing over herself.

No. 1834403

It was a matter of hours kek. The next day she was back to ranting in her car and ranting in her room. I couldn’t screen record at the time but she did this deranged rant from behind a flowerpot. Was immaculate.

No. 1834434

Thank you anon! I'm curious tho, but why isn't Damian considered a Ryan too? Going down the list of Ryans kind of reads like some unhinged visual novel dating game or something tbh. kek

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He 100% did not say that.

No. 1834446

i didn't grab it but she posted about how depressed and lonely her life is on THE RIDE HOME from paracon. so she was happy for about 20 minutes.

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No. 1834451

Appreciate you nonalita!

She looks like a fish out of water in that group pic. Run "homies" run!

No. 1834457

oh, he was Dr. Seuss? Can't she just be happy that she met some new people that welcomed her into their circle and might be interested to still know her in the future?

No. 1834488

God, her lockjaw underbite and lisp situation is maddening.

No. 1834525

You know, I'm not sure. I copied and pasted the older portion of that list and I didn't even notice the discrepancy. My guess is maybe because we actually knew his real name from the beginning (he came right into the thread and introduced himself) so he never earned a "Ryan" moniker?

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No. 1834912

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Thank you very much nonette, you did a great job.
Let's the endless Heather cycle continues !

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from a short video in which she was squealing in a painful pitch about how her new babydoll squeaks / cries

No. 1834966

This is a nitpick but, it drives me crazy how she keeps pronouncing "corps" as corpse rather than core. She posts so often about watching Gettysburg documentaries, you'd think she'd have heard it said a few times. If she wants to be taken seriously as someone who makes civil war content, she should probably make an effort to learn how to say the relevant words.
Separately, I'm delighted to see her talking about this guy. This is the ghost boyfriend and I'm rooting for them lol.

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>good enough
Kek it's like saying eh, it's not the best but it'll do. Also bullshit she worked on herself for a year, she's never worked on herself in her life.

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Appreciate your nitpick. Essentially she’s a moron who does very little study about anything she professes to have a major interest in. Making a pronunciation mistake is fine, whatever, but when you sell yourself on your big love of something but don’t acquaint yourself with the basics, it’s lame.
>ban number two
Nonalitas, how do we think this latest Love Ban has come about? Picrel.

No. 1835040

Can't she just… Ban evade lol

No. 1835049

She’s non the brightest spark. I’m dying to know what she did to be banned from two dating sites. Wtf?
>LGBTQIA+ kween
Did anyone cap that story she did about setting up her new Target merchandising stand?

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Here you go nona. I thought she was bi, why is she giving this allyship speech if she's supposedly part of the community?

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No. 1835069

>For no reason
I wonder what she keeps doing to get banned? These apps are trying to stage an intervention and I'm here for it. Considering men use apps like bots (swipe and fave everyone, spam message everyone) it can't be her excessive usage so I wonder what it is.

Also it's not the finding or meeting people that's the problem, it's managing to keep a lid on her declarations of eternal love (literally) ten minutes after meeting and scaring them all away

No. 1835085

I imagine her falling for guys quickly in DMs and then if they back off she harrasses them with nudes to show them what they're missing, until they report her.

No. 1835088


She literally has the most basic ass visual
merchandising job it’s hilarious she acts like it’s so hard. They literally give you a complete plan-o-gram layout with pictures and everything telling you where every single item goes. There’s almost no creative freedom there.

No. 1835091

>I’ll never forget how happy the community was to rush in to buy it
Fucking KEK. Thank you nona.

No. 1835121

Looking mentally stunted as usual.

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Who the fuck thought it would be a good idea for Hag to ever be anywhere near another human being romantically, let alone marry someone? These fucking people. Honestly. Her family, Adam, her friends, Hag herself (okay she hasn’t a clue despite the ‘year of introspection’).
>truly loved
The fuck? Didn’t she ‘really love’ every single Ryan she’s ever met, and a Damien too? How does she not see a great strategy would be to get in touch with the loser friends she made at Paranerdoidcom and see when she can meet up again soon, get to know them, and maybe their friends too. How can anyone be this useless in their strategies to find new prey, sorry, I mean a boyfriend.

No. 1835188

Not a week after declaring she is OVER that toxic boy, she's back to pining.
kek I don't think she made any friends there though, just popped into a couple pictures with people. She definitely seemed to be spending the whole time alone. Laughing and shrieking maniacally into her phone about YOU GUYTH, only I could be in a themetery with a perfect view of a nuclear power plant!!

No. 1835191

i wouldn't be surprised if she goes psycho on the guys who stop responding to her. she doesnt handle rejection well.

No. 1835204

This is such an uncomfortable photo lol. Hover handing 2 women while she self-consciously poses the same way she always does. The other people might as well be waxwork, it reminds me of the plant selfies but with human props.
Everyone else making goofy faces while Heather makes sure the guy taking the pic gets her Good Side, cocking her leg and eye fucking the camera is freaking me out.

No. 1835209

She was banned from FB dating 2 weeks ago and she's been banned again today? She signed up to Bumble because FB banned her, and I think that means she can't use tinder either? Post from last thread >>1825218

I've never used Facebook dating but I assume the bans tend to be 7-14 days? What is she doing to get banned so quickly after her last ban?

No. 1835255


I she might be changing her location too much - fb dating isn’t available everywhere - maybe she keeps getting caught switching towns or whatever

No. 1835343

Same anon but this just keeps crossing my mind. Clearly she reads here, and I genuinely don’t get it. Like there are now THIRTEEN threads about her, it’s fully because she’s a whole ass cow (getting worse by the hour). How does she not realize that shitposting her crying desperation a million times a day is WHY she is here. Just stop, figure some shit out for real. Not trying to blogpost but if I meet someone I absolutely google them right away, if something like this came up for them, I would also run. It’s not a fucking mystery Heather. Get your shit together, stop being a cow, and we won’t have anything to talk about. It’s not because she’s so much too spooky or her interests or even her boring ass makeup or anything, it’s 100% personality-based and she just gets worse and worse. Get a fucking clue.

No. 1835356

I can’t add them, but man some unhinged stories are up on her page now.

No. 1835358

ClockRyan told her what we have been saying " you need therapy" and Heather being Heather said she doesn't need it!!!!

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Holy shit this is unhinged



>imagine dumping this zooms in on tits because you’re a little boy who’s afraid of commitment and you’re in love with a girl who never loved you back

>you lost the game
>you have watched my story every fucking day but you won’t text me, you won’t reply, but you’ll watch my story everyday
>and then the one time you did reply was to say “I want you to go to therapy”
>you’re the one who needs fucking therapy!

No. 1835365

>you're in love with a girl who never loved you back
Hilarious that she's trying to use this as a burn when obsessing over people who don't want her is literally her whole life.

No. 1835373

It's sad that she sees therapy as a punishment and thinks that the emotions she's experiencing are totally fine and normal. She really needs help.

No. 1835375

It’s so telling, how defensive she is about therapy and how she views it as a punishment.
Telling someone to seek therapy can be pretty condescending but the way she’s prattling on and on about refusing to seek it at all is just unhinged. No one who is this therapy averse is mentally stable.

No. 1835406

Are those links not opening for anyone else?

No. 1835422

I can't open them either

No. 1835465

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The face of sanity

No. 1835486

Long press and then click download link

No. 1835542

wasn't Heather sectioned? involuntary mental hold I think at one point, I'm sure they had her attend therapy sessions while she was there so she probably relates the two experiences

so like I GET it, but Heather everyone needs therapy, it's not a punishment man they're not going to give you "personality-changing drugs" they're going to give you healthy coping mechanisms

she's afraid therapists will "erase her personality" so I don't think the therapist arc will ever happen voluntarily unless she makes a friend who already actively goes to therapy

No. 1835582

She is actually getting very scary. I could see her taking a train and showing up at his house to confront him. Telling someone to get therapy is of course an unkind thing to say, but if I went on a few dates with someone and ended it then saw them posting 20 stories a day about how much they loved and missed me I’d probably say the same thing. But I’m not retarded and I use an anonymous story viewer… I don’t want to side with moids but I kind of wish ClockRyan would find this thread and tell us what happened and then leave forever.

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No. 1835603

She's been crying about this for longer than the actual relationship lasted now

No. 1835625

The dead eyes are out in full force. I normally think Heather is pretty enough but wow, this is a hideous picture. The inner ugliness is leaking out.

No. 1835743

I’ve been following Heather for at least two years. She’s been that comfort cow I visit in between Shay, PNP, and fakebois. I always thought she was just saying she was so weird and extreme and being silly - that nothing was really off or wrong about her

But my god…. The behavior of the past two weeks has completely changed my mind. I full on see her as a totally unhinged stalker with major emotional issues.

I also thought her aesthetic for vintage was whatever and don’t find that stuff scary. But when she did her room makeover a few days ago and wa showing the haunted items and the clocks were chiming - I offically had a moment of thinking “fuck she IS scary n creepy. This WOULD be an issue for me if I saw this all IRL”

Sorry blog post but holy hell she’s off the deep end lately unless I’ve been blind

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Gee, if it's not your looks, I wonder what the problem could possibly be!

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The crazy eyes really sell it

No. 1835837

Why do scary unstable people always think therapy is like jail or something

No. 1835840

lordy, it's a bit obvious he's watching her stories because she keeps posting about him and he wants to see what she says. I do believe he acted like all moids do and lied to her, probably a lot since she's really gone off the deep end compared to her usual reaction, and he has a cheek suggesting therapy when he was the one who basically intentionally took advantage of a crazy girl for sex and then dumped her.
But she needs some sort of sudden realisation/bolt of lightning/wisdom stat, unfortunately most people will not look kindly upon this situation and she could straight up get institutionalised if she messes with the wrong scrote. She should keep her elaborate romantic fantasies in her head and stop touching the poop (men) because she gets more insane with every new Ryan.
I feel like even a scrap of media literacy, like reading some books, watching movies, like engaging with anything other than her imagination would give her some much needed perspective.

No. 1835885

So she gets used (sexually) by every Ryan she meets. I wonder, does she sleep with them on the first date?

No. 1835887

She doesn't realize the way she interprets things isn't how most other people see things, and her warped thought processes (and why men want her to go to therapy) is what's standing in her own way of finding love, and why she only attracts crazy insecure men who tolerates her crazy long enough for sex. Even if she had a few friends they could help untangle her messed up views on love.
>men want women who don't want them, but I'm ready to love
Actually men want women who have things going on in their lives. They see it as self confidence and value. Her mentally unstable codependency is seen as a burden on men and it's extremely unattractive unless the man is abusive or insecure/unstable himself.
>this, this was real love
Actually Heather, this was self absorbed love. You were obsessed about a man, at the cost of his own comfort and sanity. If you really loved a guy, you would understand and respect how he feels, instead of being clingy, demanding, CONTROLLING and obsessive. Which puts a huge burden on him to manage your emotions, which as an adult you need to find a way to deal with instead of lashing out and venting on social media.
>need a man to stop me from pity parties
If you believe in love, it's self absorbed to want someone to rescue you, to sacrifice himself for you. Would YOU want to take out moldy leftover food from the clearance aisle because it demands that you feel bad for it? No! If you value and love yourself, you want the best for yourself. So what kind of message do you send a man if you say "have pity on me, I have nothing going for me, somethings wrong with me." If you love a man you want what's best for him. For him to feel comfortable and that he won a prize. /end pickme logic to fight pickme logic

No. 1835893

Took advantage of her? She's a grown woman who spends all of her free time on dating apps and posting pics of her tits all over social media. And he's right, she desperately needs therapy. You're really gonna go and call all of the guys she's dated shit? Not saying all of her ex's are perfect by any means but clearly Hag is the problem here.

No. 1835897

Considering she drops the L word typically within a week of dating a new guy, I'd bet the answer to your question is yes. She has a documented pattern of going from 0-600 with relationships.

No. 1835904

>You're really gonna go and call all of the guys she's dated shit? Not saying all of her ex's are perfect by any means
Outed a Heather ex in the thread, only a man would read a comment about a specific person and think I was talking about all men #notallryans

No. 1835917

Not to defend Heather, but she has things going for her - job, house, her photography and collecting hobbies. The only problem she has and that we all seem to agree on is that she's too emotional.

No. 1835925

I think the skinwalking the Ryans’ hobbies is probably a turnoff

No. 1835935

I'll give you the job, but she rents the house and her hobbies are an iffy because she refuses to compromise and accommodate anyone else's (see: all the times she's taken dudes on cemetary/antique mall/Target dates). I don't personally think that's enough to offset the desperation, obsession, narcissism and neediness.

No. 1836070

She’s not emotional she’s unmediated.

No. 1836125

Exactly. Plenty of people have very strong emotions, we just know how to handle them without acting psychotic and driving off all other humans in the vicinity.
Too bad Hags views therapy as a terrifying Victorian torture sanatorium. She's going to be stuck in this loop forever unless she gets help.

No. 1836140

I couldn’t save it on my phone but did anyone see the video where she opened up the little silver keepsake box and said when she gets a boyfriend she wants to put a lock of his hair inside? It’s so weird hearing her talk about boyfriends, she doesn’t want a specific person or have anything to offer, she just wants to say she has a boyfriend to play out all of her Taylor Swift video fantasies. I’m starting to think she might actually be retarded.

No. 1836144

that's posted in one of the links a bit up, but what's interesting is that she's added "or maybe some cemetery dirt idk" clearly as an extra bit because people have told her that's just psycho behavior lol

not the first time she's brought up keeping a lock of hair and won't be the last

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No. 1836281

She needs to hang out with a therapist

No. 1836311

We all said it before at one point, but she reminds me of my narc mother, you can tell those people they need therapy, but they will never get any form of help and then whine about how no one is helping them and how horrible their life is. What I think would help her is for everyone to just leave her alone, no messages, no interaction and then she would have a reason to cry about being alone and no one trying to be her friend. And maybe after that feeling she would be willing to work on herself and change.

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Hard to believe. Incoming 1/7

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No. 1836386

Jesus Christ Heather. He clearly is lurking because you bring him up in all these crazy rants. You lasted >2 weeks. Let it go.

No. 1836391

just BLOCK HIM, jesus

did you think all these obsessive stories would bring him back?? they have him running for the hills faster than ever before

No. 1836411

>holding onto
>one day
The phrasing suggests a long time has passed, it was one week relationship followed by one week of pining on Instagram.
maybe heather is living in some hellworld dimension where every day lasts months, something that lasts a week for everyone else feels like 7 months to her, it's the only explanation. She should be studied by science.
Please Heather, this skinny white nerd doesn't deserve the ridiculous ego boost watching your stories will give him. Bet he's showing his ex all of them like look how amazing I am!!! girls fall in love at first sight! even though Heather is simply mentally ill and would be a perfect candidate for a robot boyfriend, were they to exist

No. 1836413

Not to wk a moid but he had met her through Bumble while he was traveling. It's really not that serious, and is obvious why he ran for the hills/ghosted.

The other day she was saying "you lost the game" and claimed he went back to someone who never loved him. Now she's pining and saying she was replaced by someone better. Heather can't cope without moid attention. It'd be sad, if it weren't so predictable.

No. 1836415

But think of the mEmOrIeS Nonnie!

It's just all so fucking cringe I can't.

No. 1836448

Just when I think Heather's reached maximum pathetic, she amps it up like clockwork. Right down to the desperate captions shamelessly placed near her tits in failed hopes to reel in a moid. She's done all but livestream herself begging him to take her back while she's banging on his back door late at night. And I'm sure that's only because she doesn't know where he lives.
I like to believe any nonitas that can still manage to root for this shitshow are just optimistic by nature and not delusional. Because this is just hard to watch- let alone cheer on and give honestly helpful advice that'll go right to the void because you're not a spoopy Ryan that only lives to validate her.

No. 1836466

Anyone care to weaponize their autism and find this dude's social media? I'm dying to see what kind of normie has triggered Heather so badly. I was digging myself but had no luck.

No. 1836470

>1836448 clockwork

be careful you might trigger her, rip clockryan

No. 1836472

Same, I was looking through her last dozen instagram follows, and recent likes on her posts since if they're watching each other's stories, he's likely to be in her likes pre breakup, or they may still follow each other. (Or is she manually checking his page?)
No leads though, maybe he's there and I just missed it though.
it's funny how her Instagram feed seems relatively normal and she keeps most of the unhinged ryanposting for her Stories.

No. 1836553

Same. Been digging but nothing. A couple of potentials but I don’t think I’ve got it yet. Surely our collective autism can overcome?

No. 1836582

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He publicly tagged her in a post on Facebook, and the link to his instagram is on his page.

No. 1836590

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Great find nonna!! This dude is just like Heather kek.

No. 1836597

If she gets on the right medication she'll snap right out of this, it has to be some kind of OCD. She literally is the exact same as incels that obsess over how their slightly asymmetrical nose stops them from getting a girlfriend.

No. 1836609

Yesss noness, he was one of my potentials. I thought it might be him. Excellent work.

No. 1836610

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Amazing work Nonna! That is him, he has the same shoes featured in Heather's pictures.

No. 1836615

Oh he’s gross. They are perfect for each other.

No. 1836630

Literally how does he not see he and Heather are a match made in heaven omg. They’re 100% perfect for each other

No. 1836650

He has his own female Ryaness that he can't get fucking over lol. Yeah Heather couldn't even become a quick rebound for this dude.

No. 1836653

I wonder if the girl that appears in his tagged pictures is the one Heather is jealous of and no, I won't post her here, she's got nothing to do with this and you all will be able to look for yourself. After all he reminds me of one of my ex boyfriends and I would say, that makes him a perfect match for Heather and everyone else should run.

No. 1836658

my god, he's ugly. appreciate heather confirming her town though, i spent way too long trying to figure that out a few months ago.

No. 1836661

I expected some gorgeous Ryan.. I would almost venture to say he's worse than Lurch.. looks like a total creepy train guy

No. 1836662

I saw that too. I was thinking it might be. She seems innocent compared to deranged Heather.

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As soon as she said he was train obsessed i knew he was likely very autistic. Confirmed via his tagged photos.

No. 1836671

Although I did wonder if she’s exaggerating about him being in ‘her town’ and he’s just close by. Close being a radius of 100 miles kek.

No. 1836681

Oh this is too funny, even a retarded guy knew to run for the hills

No. 1836714

Thank you so much nonny! Great work. I took a peek at Heather's followers/followed and he's still following her. Why doesn't she block him if she's so bothered to see him watching her stories??

No. 1836721

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Ikr. Here's another cringy caption

No. 1836746

Autists deserve love too, but goddamn. With the way Heather obsessed over him, you'd think he was some ChadRyan or something kek.

No. 1836774

I can't help but feel bad for the guy, heather is A Lot

but at the same time he really should have blocked her after seeing how she's acting or at LEAST unfollowed, despite the sideshow she's putting on for him

calling him uglier than lurch though? that's a bit much nonnies kek

No. 1836793

Agreed. Lurch is a goon, this guy's just some dork who's taken a while to figure out his look. The more recent photos with glasses/shorter hair/beard are much nicer than his earlier ones.

No. 1836850

She probably thinks it means there’s hope. If she had any self respect at all she would block him or unfollow but we all know that’s not going to happen.

No. 1836887

And who's to say that he's actually reading and watching her stories? When you finish all the stories from 1 user, it automatically goes on to the next recent story of another user. He could be "viewing" these without intent and she's embarrassing herself writing novels to him in public. He's either unbelievably oblivious or getting a powertrip watching her unravel herself.

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No. 1836954

Him being an autist and rejecting her makes a ton of sense. He has probably has had one girlfriend his entire life, and his spergery probably drove her away. Imagine the sensory overload he must have had dealing with Heather. All her trinkets, the constant need for validation. He was probably stimming up a storm around her.

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No. 1836971

Kek she really doesn't know when to stop. " Those trains" STFU Heather.

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>those trains

No. 1837062

So much for this >>1836365

No. 1837116

>spending a week crying on main over this
Definitely not her most handsome ryan, but he does seem to be deranged in the same way which explains why he hasn't blocked her >>1836721 >>1836590

No. 1837125

After finding out he is a literal train autist I'm now thinking this campaign of Heather's might even work

No. 1837152

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Good lord Heather

No. 1837159

I would get a restraining order if I were Clock/Train Ryan. She is scary.

No. 1837172

oh my fucking god KEK heather you absolute loon

if you were to ask, you'd think she lost a husband of 40 years or some shit, not a 2 week bumble fling

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We are truly witnessing a trainwreck

No. 1837218

I'm DYING at the thought of HIM saying
>You're not going to fall so in love with me that you steal my hair for a shrine right

is somehow a red flag TO HER?

>oh no he already sees my true intent and is already laughing about it, how dare he, red flag

heather he wasn't even WRONG, and no one is going to think that's normal, ever

No. 1837226

aw nonnie why did you take out "my friends"? I'll be your trainfriend <3(<3)

No. 1837230

Heather's calling in life is apparently to give 3/10 autistic moids the ego boost of their life

No. 1837241

Isn't spazz a derogatory term now? Way to be tone deaf about your ex's autism, Heather.

No. 1837242

It’s so crazy to me, especially since this woman has literally been married before. She’s one of the worst cases of arrested development I’ve ever seen when it comes to relationships

No. 1837271

A bunch of crap in a candy dish, what a legacy.

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This is the person who keeps teasing feet pics? Fucking BARF. Clip your nasty ass toenails, damn.

No. 1837502

Does she not have any older family they visit, the sort who have items that make you scared to be there and lead you to think "damn we're going to need a dumpster when they die, maybe a cleansing fire". Their own children and grandchildren didn't want this junk, that's how it ends up at rummage/"antique" stores.

No. 1837522

Barf indeed, she does not have pretty feet

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No one can handle Heathers extreme alternative lifestyle which includes swiping on dating apps for 6 hours, go to historical locations and have her take your photo while she imagines your a civil war soilder, visit antique shops to continue to horde in her apartment and visit the gas station for french fries!

No. 1837592

>extreme alternative lifestyle
SURELY she is fucking with us now? Could she actually be retarded enough to believe that she lives an extremely alternative lifestyle? She does what I'm sure thousands of people in her area do, works at Target, listens to Taylor Swift, absolutely NOTHING about her life is alternative. What a crock of shit.

No. 1837693

this screenshot in particular reads like an anon writing a parody of heather and not even herself, she's getting that bad. wow.

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Yup, she's just too extreme on all the social media.

No. 1837720

It's not enough to go antiquing with Heather for a couple hours. You need to want to do it all fucking weekend without complaint.

No. 1837764

such extreme lifestyle, I would do all of this and know a lot of people that would love to do something like that as well. But guess what, most people would also enjoy watching a movie at home while eating pizza, or reading a book and talking about and not being told that you love them after 30 minutes of the first ever meeting.

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No. 1837895

Why in the world did she think it was a good idea to film herself bending over in the ugliest, frumpiest dress and then post it to sm? This along with her nasty feet pic like jfc wtf is she thinking?! And yet some dingbat a dozen comments above thinks Hag's photography is something to brag about..

No. 1838149

Actual lunacy. Jolene plays in background. At this point it’s just stalking and fantasy land. I’m not surprised he’s peeping her stories - trying to make sure she’s not outside his house with a ticking clock and train set in the middle of the night. Again, Jolene playing in background.

No. 1838234

The fucking hair toss again. What era/ look does she think she’s capturing with a Party America mask and Target potato sack? If she’s so obsessed with antiques can she not spring for an actual Victorian dress and hat or something, or at least a replica that makes sense?

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She says… after another series of stories crying in her car over AutistRyan and before another video carrying on about her outfit and stroking her hair like an absolute loon…

No. 1838407

I think she might be hamming it up because he hasn’t blocked her - something I assume all other Ryans do promptly. I want to believe she’s not actually this insane. I mean she is this insane, but she wouldn’t be acting like this if she didn’t feel taunted by him indulging her by watching her meltdowns. I’m assuming he’s literally retarded so SpedRyan if you’re reading this you should definitely fuck off, for her sake.

No. 1838412

Sometimes I get the feeling she lives in an assisted living community for the mentally deranged and these little walks and tours she goes on are accompanied by a nurse who's just there to let her get some fresh air and make sure she doesn't hurt herself while she giggles and hops around doing Heather shit.

No. 1838432

100% the only reason she's still going is because he's still watching and its the only "contact" she has

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More unhinged car crying and ranting



>I think the worst part about this breakup is that this was a person I actually saw a future with

>it’s really rare that I’m interested in anyone and it’s really hard for me to fall in love
>this was the person I could take care of and love and have babies with
>he watches my Instagram story everyday but he won’t talk to me
>if they don’t have feelings for me then quit watching because it makes me spiral knowing I wasn’t good enough for this person that I love so fucking much starts crying
>and there’s nothing I can be do to be good enough because I’m not like this other girl

No. 1838529

>it's really rare that I'm interested
>it's really hard for me to fall in love
the 17 past Ryans in just a few years would say differently.

No. 1838546

kek, I wanted to write the same.

>and have babies with
please, no, never. She needs to get her mental health in order before she even thinks about having children or the children will suffer and go no contact as soon as they can.

No. 1838560

She's seriously been averaging something like four new "true loves" a year. kek

Really hope she never has kids. Isn't she 36 now? She's already considered AMA. Between possible birth complications and her raging personality disorder the kid would be doomed.

No. 1838564

Her being in her mid 30s is probably a big reason why she’s pushing for a baby right now. Seems like she’s panicking because she’s not where she thought she’d be in life by now.

No. 1838566

I believe she is 30-32

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Heather follows Venus lol

No. 1838577

My bad, I googled it and the only hit for her name roughly around her age and location was 36. Judging by the old thread she's at least 32 by now.

No. 1838589

Do you guys think she talks about her personal life to her coworkers?

No. 1838603

She does to some extent. We once had an angry Target co-worker from her old location come WKing for her here calling us stalkers. She was straight up telling them she was scared to go to her car at night in the parking lot and stuff. I can't remember which thread that was now though.

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This might be a nitpick but I fucking hate how she always uses the word blouse. The only other person I know who used that word was my 87 year old grandma.

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Found this in the first thread (just discovered this one)
she is 33

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No. 1838804

15lbs in 2 weeks? That's so unhealthy!

No. 1838806

>your best friend
>guy you just met that month
She's honestly too young to be this crazy and far gone, imo only female friends could save this since she refuses therapy, but she's so focused on finding "love" she misses everything else that matters in life

No. 1838831

>but she's so focused on finding "love" she misses everything else that matters in life
Usually in that situation I'd be like 'she needs a fucking hobby' but she has hobbies and they seem to be half the problem lmao. I'm not even sure female friends would help her, she'd just go crazy over them instead if they didn't give her enough attention or go to graveyards with her enough.

She's an unusual cow imo because her life is pretty normal and functional but she invents problems for herself by being overly invested in random ryans and relationships in general. It's literally all in her mind, it's not material problems or her living situation.

No. 1838837

She's definitely expressed before how insecure she is about other women, which would ultimately cause issues with her having or keeping any female friends too. She pretty obviously sees other women as competition given her deep obsession with this "other girl" clock ryan isn't over despite her obviously not being over multiple of her own exs. And there was that ridiculous "now I know why I have no luck on these apps, all the girls are fit and girly wah wah wah".

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No. 1838890

I tortured myself by reading all 12 previous threads because I couldn’t figure out what was so entrancing about this cow, holy shit, she’s legitimately crazy. Like textbook bpd cycler…but not only that, she’s stupid, too. It’s funny reading the first few threads when anons had hope for her.

No. 1838908

Well to be fair the only other person that would wear that blouse is someones 87 yo grandma

No. 1838998

I can't take anything she says seriously when she calls all of her Ryans "boy". Or ever.

No. 1839016

This makes me wonder what ClockRyan's new gf wears, the one who Hags got "dumped" for. Chances are high that Hags has been stalking her social media, and this is an attempt at skinwalking.

No. 1839058


Assuming it’s the girl in his tagged photos, she wears pretty stereotypical Zoomer fashion. I think this is just Heather’s standard old Karen attire.

No. 1839059

His insta name is ol_jerryjewels so I think that might be his surname. Speaking of which, Google blessed me with this video after searching his name. Looks like he explores a bit himself.

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He's still got her up on his Facebook. His name is Jerry Carmine.

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And this is the girl he went back to.

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Samefag but blouse skinwalking confirmed. I hope she dyes her hair darker and gets black glasses next.

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And out of nowhere, she's wearing eyeliner, just like ClockRyan's girl.

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This is exactly what she said before Paracon yet she still spent the last week crying over Ryan.

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And this is what ClockRyan aka AutismRyan aka JerryRyan was saying

No. 1839203

The retardation of both of these nerds. Fucking block each other. Boo hoo SpectrumRyan nobody is forcing you to watch this shit. I wonder if she's texting him all the time as well as the unhinged story posting.

No. 1839210

he certainly has a type

No. 1839423

>When will it end
Just walk away from the screen bro, this is hilarious

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I guess this is where it ends kek

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I guess this is where it ends kek

No. 1839459

more annoyed that she didn't block him first tbh, what a circus

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they are still friends on Facebook. He is still seeing her insanity.

No. 1839474

I’m pretty sure he’s been watching her stories the last couple weeks for the same reason we have

No. 1839481

All that for a train enthusiast autist she knew for a week. It’s crazy how quick she went from a comfort cow to a horrorcow for me.

No. 1839490

As a friend of his, he isn't full blown tistic as you may think, just a tad bit. He's run a couple organizations and helps out with railcars at others.>>1839474
She got a little too crazy for him and that's why he left. They were actually never officially together either

No. 1839494

how long did they know each other? how long were they “dating” and to what extent? did he say anything else about her? … how did you find this thread?!

thanks in advance and make sure you read the rules so you don’t get banned https://lolcow.farm/rules

No. 1839500

They talked for about a month, but they only really saw each other in person twice. They were in what he called the 'Getting to know each other" phase before he called it off. He said that he was ok with being her friend, but she refused.
He didn't really say much about her other than she was really nice and appreciative of him buying dinners and such. Later after he stopped talking to her, he said she'd become a little obsessive but that's all.

He found this thread and shared it in a group chat. I've been going to town on this thread and now I understand why he called it off

No. 1839501

Type "sage" in the email field to avoid a temp ban, newfriend. So he didn't dump her for his ex then?

No. 1839502

lord, i wonder if he found the thread before or after he called it off. and i wonder what he’s thinking now, watching her spiral publicly like this. he dodged a bullet for sure. imagine if he’d stuck it out any longer.

ClockRyan needn’t worry too much. she’ll cool off as soon as she meets a new Ryan, although she’ll probably write vague posts referencing trains and clocks for the next few years.

No. 1839507

No he didn't dump her for his ex. He explained that to her multiple times, but she wouldn't listen. The girl you guys found is actually his ex(They broke up almost a year ago now. Another girl that really connected with him about a year ago screwed him over and emotionally destroyed him(hence those corny sad boy poems). He's trying to get back on his feet after that and this didn't exactly help. He's trying to move to PA and was hanging out with a mutual friend of ours that lives there when they matched

If you guys want, I can ask questions. He's ok with it as long as they aren't too personal. He's a cool dude actually.

No. 1839514

Any actual proof you know him?

No. 1839518

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I know him about 6 years now. I pose as a traffic cone on Facebook for laughs(though it's been a while since I shared anything). What other proof you want? I can post photos of us working on railcars if you want.
Btw, I'm new here so I have no idea how to directly reply. Obviously don't really use this website that often

No. 1839555

Is it true what Heather said that he confessed his love to her and promised a relationship?
oh, and how he felt when she was running around train tracks and stone cirlcle like a retarded child? lol

No. 1839571

The fact she tried to write this sassy post about being blocked after making countless insane stories about how she will always love [ryan she knew for one calender week] like…she was absolutely begging to be blocked with her batshit behaviour, I think this is the most concentrated crazy we've seen from her. At least with Bloodryan it was a few months of a relationship, this was a week. Absolutely no reason to act the way she has about it all.

No. 1839602

Umm why are mods banning potential milk?

No. 1839604

Obviously these threads are a factor contributing to Heather's failed romantic life, because every time these ryans find the threads, they cut ties with her. It's a vicious cycle. If she was smart, she would tell the ryans a fake name so they couldn't find her threads, and keep communication with them private on telegram/ whatsapp or signal. She could also create a private insta seperate from her main insta, where she only adds people she really knows, and the ryans. It's clear to me these threads play a part in her wilting romantic life. If a relationship is to succeed, she needs to be much more private when it comes to ryans. If she really needs ryans in her insta stories to use them for her reality tv show, she should get a decoy ryan just for that purpose and have a ryan she's serious about kept private out of sight. If she could get a ryan who doesn't use the internet much or have any socials, it might fair better for her.

No. 1839634

Literally the exact same thing she did to Ryan Z. In both cases they were never actually together, explained they weren’t interested and weren’t dumping her for another girl, ect. and she then adopted their hobbies and made them her entire personality. It really isn’t an exaggeration to say she’s delusional. She is 100%. Poor ClockRyan

No. 1839645

because the dingus traffic cone didn't put "sage" in the email field, it's a temp so they can come back

No. 1839663

Celebrating the "end" of a relationship by announcing she's been blocked. Lmfao Heather…

No. 1839695

they hung out TWICE?? shes fucking nuts. let this man post.

No. 1839710

Because there is no proof poster knows the autism ryan. Can you all stop being so gullible.

No. 1839731


Posted proof they’re friends on Facebook and offered to post pictures of them together. What more do you want?

No. 1839786

The guy didn't sage the first time. Second time he did but he put the reply number of the post in the name field instead of the comment, so he namefagged. Should've read the rules with how banhappy mods are getting. Hopefully he comes back if he has something of value after the ban is up.

No. 1839825

Please, it’s now Traffic Cone. That is his name. I hope he returns after the temp ban, this is the best insight into Behind the Hag Scenes in a long while.
That figures. The sadboi posting was about a brown eyed girl. The other ex has blue eyes. My autism is showing. Thanks for the milk, Traffic Cone. Your ban will wear off in a bit and you’ll be able to post again. Just make sure you write sage in the email field.

No. 1839855

Traffic Cone, what does he think of her calling him "her ex" and all the love stuff? Did it scare him?

I'm curious about both of things too kek

No. 1839865

I noticed earlier that ClockRyan wasn’t following her anymore and scooted right over here to see the fallout. I can’t wait for inevitable story spill later tonight.
Traffic Cone! The mods have removed your ban, I think? Please tell me, does ClockRyan actually like clocks and their inner workings, or did he just mention they were cool when they went antiquing, so she casually bought THREE of the fuckers then went full-on clock fan? Btw we totally understand exactly what the issue was, her insane love obsession.

No. 1839898

Ok, trying to answer everyone's questions here.
First, just to prove I am a friend of his, if you all go to the Oyster Bay Railroad Museums Facebook page tomorrow night, you'll see him working on train cars. Telling you this now because I plan on going with him(not gonna say which person I am because I'd rather keep it that way) and it will prove that we are infact friends.

He did not "Confess his love." Infact, he told her he wanted to take it slow because of what the other girl did to him. Also, he said he didn't pay much mind to it, you all know that the general population of train fans other than my group of friends is either missing chromosomes or has the intelligence of a Jelly fish, so you kinda become numb to that kind of stuff unless their behavior is blatantly unsafe.

For the "Love" stuff, his actual ex didn't stop bothering him for months and caused a lot of fallout, so he doesn't really care. I mean, it's not like she's going after him physically (yes, that has happened). To put it in his words "I've seen and been through some fucked up shit, a crazy chick with an obsession over me is not that scary."

He was following her still just to see what she was saying out of curiosity. No ego trip or anything like what was mentioned earlier. He does care about her still as a human being and wishes the best for her, but she clearly isn't ready for that yet.

Yea he is into clocks. Clocks, trains and vintage cameras. He likes tinkering with clocks and model trains, working on real trains and he actually shoots 8mm film cameras. He actually bought her two clocks and gave her a third as a nice gesture. He said he felt bad for her because her room was "So quiet you could hear a pin drop."(this is an imageboard)

No. 1839916

Honestly between him paying for her dinners and buying her gifts like the old clocks, etc. I can see how she'd be obsessed with him more than other Ryans. She's usually the one love bombing the tinder matches with weird gifts to get them to stick around for a bit, but it's rare to see a Ryan treat her. She probably thought she finally found another provider like her ex husband.

No. 1839920

Yea, it was kinda sad honestly. He really did like her, but she started getting to be a bit too much. The jealousy really started showing when she got mad about him texting a friend of his(Who is married and now having a kid). Also, she got really annoyed when he had a small depressive episode when something reminded him of brown eyes instead of being supportive. He said that really was the tipping point there, but he didn't wanna just abandon her. She made him choose between her and brown eyes. Obviously he chose her because they were in person and he knew she'd lose it. He ended up sticking with their plan(She comes to NY for the weekend, then he drives her back to PA and stays a couple days) simply because he felt bad and didn't want to just leave her high and dry.

No. 1839935

That is exactly how I imagined her. Jealous and controlling and frighteningly borderline. Did he "break up" with her on the rock over the parking lot they were sitting on together?

No. 1839951

No, he said that he left her the morning that he left. He really didn't want to get into detail with it because he feels bad that she's losing it, though he sees that she's got a history. He's one of those people that can't help but feel bad for people like her

No. 1839988

damn.. thanks for all the info, Traffic Cone
i feel bad for your friend having to put up with heather, sounds like he was actually kind towards her
also you can reply to posts by pressing the post number, or adding >> in front of the post number inside of your reply

No. 1840012

So did he learn of this page after? When he saw her freak out post-breakup? Understandable to look into her for that.
Do you know if she mentioned her past, social media experience, or lolcow fame to him?

No. 1840039

Yea, he's not exactly the abusive type. He's nuts, but has a kind heart. He really thought that it would work out at first

He learned of it only a few days ago, though I'm not sure how.
He didn't really say much about her past, just how she's been through abusive relationships and stuff like that. As for her internet fame, he did say that she talked a bit about people being out there to ruin her, especially after she went from cosplay to what she's into now. Sounded like a sob story, but he felt bad for her until now. Especially seeing that she's got a bit of a history.

No. 1840083

Did he have sex with her the weekend she came over, knowing he was going to end things with her?

Because if so, that's pretty shitty and I'm not surprised Heather chimped out afterwards.

No. 1840087

So much of this is giving female novelist.

No. 1840099


That I do not know. He isn't really the type to brag or even talk about stuff like that. Again, knowing him though, I don't think he would have had sex with her if he knew he was going to end it.(sage your shit)

No. 1840100

And my dumb ass forgot to write sage again, see you guys in a day or two

No. 1840143

It's okay, at least you're making an effort to learn and figured out how to reply. I appreciate the insight you're delivering so thanks for that.

No. 1840212

Next time that happens, just delete the comment real quick and rewrite it with sage.

No. 1840220

>He does care about her still as a human being and wishes the best for her,
He seems like he's quite kind, probably why Heather liked him, it's interesting how he apparently wanted to be friends but Heather was like no, love only!! like, if you like this man so much what'a the harm of staying friends? She does have some male friends too so I don't see the problem, isn't it better to be part of someone's life in some way, even if not tru luv uwu if you like them. Doesn't make sense to me why it has to be relationship dialed up to 1000 or nothing, especially if this guy has some relationship trauma and isn't ready for that

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and just like that, heather moves on. the fact that she instantly stopped pining after she was blocked plus the friend milk that contradicts her story has convinced me. she doesn't believe she shit she writes, its all for attention. ryan attention obviously, but when she loses that she immediately pivots to saddest sad girl bravely recovering from the greatest heartbreak in history so her simps will validate her. i cant believe anybody in this thread takes what she says at face value.

No. 1840252

I don’t understand why everyone here is taking the side of a scrote just because he has some ridiculous sob story. I wouldn’t be surprised if Heather was victimized still and has so much trauma from being manipulated in her relationships

No. 1840256

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The drummer from poison is still thirsting.

No. 1840259

this ain’t it
when did this dude have time to “manipulate” her in two weeks?

No. 1840266

Thank you, Traffic Cone, for clearing up some details. Hope ClockRyan… or, Jerry, moves on and gets a bit more stable as well. He clearly dodged a bullet here.

No. 1840280

heather has the same "ridiculous sob story" that paints her as the helpess victim for each ryan. do you really think every guy she goes on a couple dates with is declaring his undying love for her just to get laid? even dumb guys aren't that dumb.

No. 1840285

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Gearing up to swoop.

No. 1840292

I wonder if the thread is her fallback for her Ryans not working out. Like, she can always blame someone else instead of criticizing her role in the matter. I think its a part of why she doesn't cover her tracks dating wise, and also why shes so quick to post them on her social media. She gets to blame her obsessed haters instead of her own undoing.
I think if she really wanted a match to work out, she would use an alias online or a separate account. But, no, shes quick to perform for the next round. I think she thinks shes in some wacky rom com, and forgets shes dealing with real people who are flawed and still becoming who they aspire to be.

No. 1840329

That is the thing I will never understand. On the face of it, considering her insta feed is her personality, as she’s so terminally online and that will never change, some of her tchotchkes and curios are pretty cool. She looks viable as a collector of antiquarian shit. Then her overwhelming need to seek approval, adulation and acceptance starts seeping in and it’s really just like…separate the personal and the private ffs. Hag will never not post her childish drama and neediness online because, let’s face it, when she spent a couple of months a while back (when she changed account maybe?) keeping her personal life private, it was all dry as fuck. The interests she adorns her true self - basic reality show drama girl - with are just that, adornments. Will the real Karen Hag please come through?

No. 1840330

I pity the fool who goes on a date with Heather like 1 day after she was declaring eternal love for clockryan kek

No. 1840333

Yeah I'm not on his side, if anything it seems like he and Heather have the same issues and were not able to empathize with each other regardless of having similar experiences, based on traffic cone's story. >>1839920
Like clockryan was pining after an ex while on a date with Heather and she naturally (for her) flipped, obviously someone who has worked through their issues would have reacted better, but they are both making the same mistakes. I can see a future girlfriend of clockryan being put off by the pining the same way Heather's pining is offputting.

No. 1840334

>he had a small depressive episode when something reminded him of brown eyes
Fucking kek. Every time we get IRL tourists ITT we gain a new cow.

No. 1840337

You think Hag has been manipulated by every Ryan on this thread? You need help. Seek therapy.

No. 1840347

These two were clearly a disaster waiting to happen. He's not mentally stable, a sadnboi and weird romantic. Heather is off the deep end and I'm sure they played off each other a bit. However, I'm inclined to believe most of what the Cone says since ClockRyan was so quick to break it off.
KEK I wish he had enough material to start his own thread. I'm insanely curious about this dude I will admit. Seems to be a bit milky.

No. 1840359

i dont totally understand the speculation on whether or not clockryan has any responsibility in her crazy reaction to him calling things off. Whether he did something shitty or was a perfect angel, things will always end this way because she expects a man to be her everything and vice versa. it makes her a target for the absolute worst type of guy and she gives them a leg up because she's already socially isolated. her dream ryan is a completely codependent shitshow of a relationship. she's honestly a bit lucky to be dodging that bullet so far, though probably her ex husband fit this profile. she needs to heal her pickmeism and learn to make some female friends. she's so stunted.

No. 1840366

it sounds like he sussed out quickly that he wasnt ready for a relationship (and definitely not the type of relationship heather wants) and decided not to pursue further. thats pretty reasonable. he made a judgment error, thats not malicious or manipulative or abusive. hanging out with someone a few times isnt making some grand commitment to them, despite heather's delusions.

No. 1840415

that's just it, most people don't know if someone will be their partner for the rest of their life after one or two dates. She has this expectation that she goes on a date, they both have heart eyes and will live happily ever after. After all he tried to stay friends with her and she should have taken that offer, maybe they would have worked as a couple some time later, it's not unheard of friends becoming partners.

No. 1840418

Her male friends are only "friends" because she deems them undatable unlike this train-ryan who she was already fantasizing having babies with just a week or two into their "relationship". I stand by my earlier comment that her obsession took off due to his more nurturing and providing nature in comparison to the other Ryans of past. She's looking for a new provider and someone she deems "father" material which is deeply concerning considering how clearly unwell she is. She'd make a terrible and deeply emotionally manipulative mother.

It's like her entire mood hinges on whether or not she has a date planned or a ryan in her pocket. Totally not unhinged behavior.

You are too old for her Richard, you will never be Heather's perfect little spoopy boy. Hilarious this washed up old cock rock dude is still all over her comments and DMs though.

No. 1840688

She stayed for a weekend sleepover at his house and you don't think they had sex simply because you (another male) find him nice?

All of you in here stop kissing the Anon's ass and also stop trying to defend TismRyan. He's a shitty man who knew he didn't want to date Heather and still had her over for a sex weekend and dumped her right after.

No. 1840727

Hmm I dunno anon. At what point - after he’s already told her it’s a ‘getting to know you’ stage or whatever the fuck plus red flag city with sadboi ‘depressive episode’ about ‘brown eyes’ kek - do you think that it might not be for you. Surely, I mean, absolutely surely, you might think this scrote is a Scrote and I’m not going to fuck him. Or do you think, as I assume it went down, Hag thought ‘I’ll fuck him and he’ll like me more’. Yeah it’s a shame but that’s on her. It’s unfortunate but TismRyan (also a freak) isn’t responsible for her own retardation and arrested development

No. 1840743

you know, people can have sleepovers without having sex. Even though Heather seems to be the person to try to bind a man offering sex, but there are adults who turn down such offers or don't even think about stuff like that while meeting someone. And I'm not kissing his ass, I just see Heather as the more insane person in this situation and in the end, she doesn't seem to suffer anymore, as she found a new date.

No. 1840769

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Speaking of which…

No. 1840773

One date "He's a real keeper!"

No. 1840774

Kekek even though Hag is a totally frustrating person with an idiotic brain I’m rooting for her with this one, as she’s my comfort cow. What would be great is if they hit it off, are both as milky as each other, unite against tEh HaTeRs and give us loads to laugh about.

No. 1840777

let me tell you how date two will go:
>"I love him"
>"He will be the father of my children"
>"I've never met anyone that fit more and he is the most amazing boy in the whole world"

and after date three:
>"Look at my new stones (owls, plants, clocks, whatever hobby that guy has), they are the only one keeping me company"
>"He left me because of the stones, I'm too weird for him, I will always be alone, they just can't handle someone as weird as I am"

No. 1840778

Hush nona, no. Although this is the likeliest outcome I don’t want it to go this way. I’m praying, Hag, don’t fuck this up. Be chill and supply us with milk for months. Please.

No. 1840783

she went on a date and managed not to post creep shots of him? is this growth? very excited for the new ryancycle

No. 1840789

She's gonna need to post a shot of his feet or something otherwise this just sounds like she's making it up, has she ever described a ryan in this way before? Kinda sounds like a kid describing her boyfriend who "goes to another school"

No. 1840791

kek, okay, you shall have your milk, only hope they break up before she will get pregnant. I give her right before Halloween, then the break-up drama will start again.

No. 1840795

Good call. The Halloween Tragedy.
I think growth is practically impossible but she may have computed that to act too quickly is to lose a Ryan. A self fulfilling prophecy. Ryan go poof!

No. 1840796

i was thinking the same thing, her posts sound very forced. "we're the perfect height for each other and he has the cutest dog! thank god i got dumped by whatever that guys name is !" i think she knows trainryan is probably still watching her stories so shes hamming it up big time.

No. 1840809

Maybe all the "men want to be tortured" and "men hate if you like them" rants will translate into her pretending to be more chill with this one.

No. 1840825

Pure, uncut tinfoil, but I've decided that this >>1755718 ask was the Poison guy too lmao. I love the idea of our Heather shooting down this old weirdo over and over.

No. 1840830

Oh nonita, I am with you on that tinfoil. Especially since he gave some clue that he’s been pestering her about being ‘on television’. She’s like an antihero, but not sharp.

No. 1840912

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I'm not sure how much it could have been dragged out at this point… but alas again

No. 1840915

now I'm sad for the nona that hoped for a longer relationship, hope she finds someone better very soon, so nona gets her fresh milk and I get my Halloween drama.

No. 1840916

if she always does this after a first date she'll never have a boyfriend.

No. 1840925

This is the guy she just went on a date with?

No. 1840934

Like clockwork. The Ryans have been tapping out quicker lately. Wonder what he was lying about- was he just acting like he was interested in her the whole time? That sounds laborious, especially with a character like Heather. Can't blame the moid, at least he cut things off fast before she started talks about moving in together, marriage and kids on date 2. I'd rather see her doing things for herself, even if it is solely to try to flex on the ex Ryans, so I hope she doesn't give this one too much energy.

No. 1840938

Why does she spend so much time crying in her car? She said it’s her day off so it’s not like she’s hiding from coworkers. Like why not just cry in the house.

No. 1840939

I’m that anon. Woe is me. Fingers crossed for a new candidate and your Halloween drama.

No. 1840943

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KEK! She should spend her time crying while sitting behind her 800 plants.

No. 1840946

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I wonder what made him change his mind.

No. 1840954

>we made plans
Like, lifetime goals? After one date? I suspect the conversation may have been more of a one-way thing.

No. 1840957

She drives me crazy. They met ONE TIME why does it have to be this dramatic? Or maybe he was like “sorry I can’t make it today” and would reschedule and she’s taking it like a “break up”. She is absolutely scaring these dudes away.

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No. 1841015

one of these dudes should tell her that it is absolutely her that’s the problem

No. 1841022

I think she means the second date plans for today, but knowing Heather the life plans were definitely implied.

No. 1841045

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>Heather on the first date

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No. 1841080

charitable answer: she's doing errands on a day off and driving can really allow your mind and feelings to wander freely. it's the one place you can't easily divert yourself with screens or most other media. similar to how people often dig deeper and cry in the shower.

triple that if a love song comes on the radio which of course is almost every song on the radio. she could have had a crying fit while driving. pulled over (hopefully) and journaled it (good). but then posted what should have stayed a draft as another sad and insane looking public post on her story (not good).

i'm glad she's writing it down when flooded with intense emotions while in a crisis, irrational or not. but this is hurt the world does not need to know about girl

uncharitable answer: selfie lighting in the front seat of a car can be amazing. bizarrely one of the most flattering selfie locations in my experience

No. 1841088

Isn't this where her and clockryan went? Maybe this really is just another ploy to get his attention.

No. 1841090

How much do you want to bet she's going to go straight back to pining over TrainRyan

No. 1841119

She was never into cosplay. She abused almost every guy she's been.She finds dudes who she thinks are slightly successful, latches onto them so they'll pay for her hobbies. She doesn't own her house, her jobs not that great but a jobs a job. Her family has money. She had to drop the goth back in the day because her uncle was going to kick her off the will. That's what her ex told me, but who knows she spews so much bull for attention it's hard to find what's true or not.
She also used to send every guy she knew before all this nudes and if called out on it would lie and say she photoshopped herself into someone else for jokes.

She's 34-36 not younger or older(Sage)

No. 1841129

Sage your autism.

She was into furries for a few years before the breakdown of her marriage. She attended a couple anthrocons with Adam. I remember she had someone help her design a fur suit head. Back in her lispy cringy Heather Sparkles days..

No. 1841132

Yea, ClockRyan blocked her on everything finally a few days ago. He kinda got tired of her attention seeking in her stories, plus he agreed with you guys that he would be better off blocking her for her own sake.

No. 1841142

So the Heather Steele that shows up in her area's whitepages aged 36 is her then?

No. 1841160

What a weird thing to look up. And no, she was born in 1990. She is 33.

No. 1841173

Dude, being a furry isn't cosplaying. There is a difference and I apologize for the age mix up, when I knew her she said she was older. Again, she lies a lot.

No. 1841179


Yep, she posted her license or something at one point (with pertinent stuff blacked out) and she was def born in 1990.

So she invited him to her house? On the second date? I guess he thought she was moving fast in a few different ways. The shorter Ryancycles are making me sad, though. She used to at least be able to get a guy to the mutual crush phase but now they're getting spooked early on.

No. 1841231

sorry nonnie, I apparently missed the drivers license that was posted and couldn't find confirmation on her age otherwise, just estimations so I googled her name. Weird that there seems to be another Heather Steele around her area just a couple years older though, I wouldn't have taken that as a common name.

No. 1841247

Well the anon who said the Ryan cycles are getting shorter and shorter sure was right.

No. 1841420

So why did he bail??

…I wonder if he googled her and found this thread, kek.

No. 1841434

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No. 1841503

not this shit again

No. 1841541

Has she given any more info yet? I'm blocked on her socials, kek

No. 1841570

No she hasn’t elaborated on that one

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No. 1841650

Jfc this is depressing but I can't feel sorry for you because this is all your own doing. You could have friends if you tried and made an effort. People don't have to be into every single thing you're into. Just one or two common interests is enough. What happened to the people in the group photo you posted at paracon? Why don't you focus some of your time putting in an effort with potential friends rather than spending so much time obsessing over finding the next Ryan. Oh that's right because you'd rather cry and complain endlessly about how you're just too extreme for anyone.

Heather, you haven't had a stable relationship for more than several months in years. Your family has had to set boundaries with you. And you have no friends. This kind of isolation is not healthy. Maybe it's time to put on your big girl panties and set yourself some priorities in finding some real friends before you end up in a very dark place.

No. 1841673

>I wish I could have friends
>goes batshit when train-ryan asks if they can be friends

No. 1841677

Imagine developing a friendship with her until she has a new ryan and you are immediately nothing(learn2sage)

No. 1841734

late but do save link as, or copy the link and paste without anony.link
bless heather for all this content

No. 1841767

Literally if she dedicated even 10% of the time she dedicates for searching for, thinking and planning about, meeting, crying and posting about Ryans to one or two female friends she could have a couple of besties. Girls don't ask for much, Heather could throw a few messages a week and meet up once a month and it would eventually make a world of difference to her mental health.
Dedicating literally 100% of your emotional energy to stranger moids who owe you (and thus will give you) nothing is how you turn out like Heather, slowly going more insane by the day

No. 1841832

it's all a pity party to her, it's extremely clear she doesn't want friends or anything at all except for a ryan who will dote on her and be obsessed with her. that's why she's alone.
maybe if she quit wishing for the impossible and put actual focus on the things she likes (minus a moid) and started going out more to meet people it would naturally come, but instead she cries over herself on social media when she's the one creating the problems

it's exactly like >>1841673, trainryan asked to be friends and now she's crying she has no friends. she makes it hard to feel bad for her

No. 1841834

I don't understand why everyone here thinks it's a good idea for Heather to be friends with Trainryan. They will never have a real friendship if she wants him to be her boyfriend. That would cause more issues and mental stress. It's better to find friends she doesn't want to be with romantically.

No. 1841857

Nonas were using it as an example of Heather not even wanting friendship with a moid, let alone other women. They weren't suggesting it happpen.

No. 1841895

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Then she shoots down someone who literally says he'll participate? What does this bitch WANT!

No. 1841914

A moid to cater to and finance her every whim.

No. 1841926

Every. single. week. All she wants to do is go to gettysburg, and antiquing. she must beso fucking boring to date.

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No. 1841985

He literally said he'd be happy to go even though it wouldnt' be his first choice. Can Heather even read?

No. 1841999

>"immersing myself"
she will be back real soon

No. 1842018

insert the clip of her saying "let me clarify what goodbye means" topkek

No. 1842039

will she finally read a book or watch a movie?

No. 1842105

I’d be impressed if this was true, but we all know she’s gearing up for a CivilWarRyan saga.

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No. 1842164

no, she’ll buy stuff and take battlefield selfies
that is the only way she relates to the world

No. 1842278

Kek nonita the classic Hag. Love you.
I give it a week, tops.

No. 1842329

Appreciate you nonnie!

No. 1842478

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Still desperate for Train/ClockRyan

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Liked by a Ryan lol

No. 1842513

kek she's so obvious. what does she think is gonna happen? "wow i know i had to block you because you were obsessively posting about me, but you saw a train at a museum and that totally changed my mind. will you marry me?"

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No. 1842611

This is definitely her pulling a "look what you're missing out on!" posting. Similar to when she spams us with her ugly lewds and weird cleavage shots directly after striking out with a ryan.

Wow, she's wearing winged eyeliner AND her old killstar clothes? Trainryan really did do a number on her.

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