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No. 2550803
This thread is to discuss your grievances with gender ideology.
>What is gender ideology? Foundational to transgenderism, gender ideology is the belief that one’s “internal gender” can contradict one’s biological sex.
Gender ideology operates much like a religious cult. There is no scientific evidence that supports the notion that we have an “internal gender,” and yet doctors now medicalize and sterilize children with “transgender identities” who have been groomed by the cult. Anyone who does not reaffirm these delusions is labelled as a “transphobe” in order to discredit any dissenting voices of the cult.
Relevant threads:
MtF/Trans-Identified Male General
>>>/snow/2125031FtM / fakeboi / TIF general
>>>/snow/2121594Ovarit Archives
https://lolcow.farm/2X/res/38865.html#38865Resources:
Peak trans stories from banned Gender Critical subreddit:
https://www.saidit.net/s/GenderCritical/comments/54yt/gcs_peak_trans_archived/ Peak trans stories from Ovarit:
https://pixeldrain.com/l/JTwRJCYR “Listen to trans people” series:
https://x.com/marycatedelvey/status/1897370783816790064 “You told me you were different” TIM on TIF violence anthology:
https://libgen.is/book/index.php?md5=1E3552778745CA46FE01054D2886BB3DPrevious threads:
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I think this
https://suedonym.substack.com/p/inauthentic-selves-the-modern-lgbtqShould be included in the list of links, it’s genuinely informative on how the entire movement is backed by evil companies and billionaires and isn’t an organic people led civil rights movement - I think it would be hard for people to argue against when trying to peak someone because it goes beyond „trannies are misogynists and homophobic”
No. 2550953
>>2550855it was a rip off of one about gay kids suicide rates
all of their slogans are stolen
No. 2550969
>>2550803Slight language sperg but I hate so much how it's always "trans kids". It sounds so infantile and twee and creepy and burger-coded all at the same time. "Golly gee missus
terf I just want to be a trans kiddo and teat yeat!" Maybe it's because I spent a bunch of time in psychiatric care between about 10-16 (all pre-2015 though) but it feels so strange to bring things like suicide and self mutilation into the discussion while still fixating on this grossly inauthentic trans "joy". All their language is weird as fuck tbh like joy, euphoria, whatever
No. 2550974
>>2550969It's a blatantly calculating attempt to be palatable and sympathetic to normies. Kids are innocent and non sexual unlike a hulking 6'4 AGP named Lilith wearing mini skirts in the women's bathroom.
Also, troons are pedophiles trying to groom kids by becoming a """safe space""" for them to escape to from their evil transphobic parents.
No. 2551173
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Is it bad that I want to become religious just so people assume I’m anti-trans? I attract so many troon-crazy friends just by seeming progressive and laid back. I just had to hear a new potential friend go on a tangent about how TIMs who say they hate women have internalized misogyny.
I also think I’m less likely to be fired from my job if I’m religious rather than a regular TERF. I hear more vitriol from troons and their allies about terfs than religious or conservative people. I wish I could just be a public TERF.
No. 2551179
>>2550803I hate progressive circles so much, why is it that when someone talks about wanting to cut themselves they are given help and comfort but when they frame it through the lens of "muh gender" then they're
valid uwu poggers
No. 2551484
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i hate how trannies have colonized tomoko. she was really important to me as a highschooler because of how relatable and seen she made me feel. its just so retarded because no, you arent a cute young girl with social anxiety, youre a fugly male with wide shoulders, a horrible personality and everybody around you is scared of when youre gonna do a mass shooting. youve probably never touched an otome game or a bl doujinshi in your life and you have no desire to because youre a male! tomoko is for the girls (female) ONLY
>>2551199kek nothing is more peaking than being around a tranny personally, idk why they love homestuck so much now the fandom used to be like 90% women (mostly fujos) and now its like 70% trannies. i know a lot of the fujos probably became tifs but i have no idea where all these tims came from
No. 2551928
>>2551920I noticed that people have started yelling "
TERF!!" as a term for "woman I don't like"
No. 2551943
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>>2550887Kek was this troon seriously selfposting and trying to convince lolcow anons he's just a 'masculine woman'?
No. 2551949
>>2551499Yes, almost everyone except radfems and tradcath types is pro-surrogacy. Surrogacy is much more popular than trannyism is, even. Lots of LGB drop the T type gay moids also love surrogacy and think it's their 'right' to procure children via surrogacy.
>>2551920Why don't you try to befriend her or say something supportive of her before 'retreating'?
No. 2551951
>>2551943Damn how embarrassing to get caught, not just self-posting but lurking
terf boards as a troon too
No. 2551959
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>>2551953The lack of both an upper and a lower lip, in this case. Also never seen a woman grabbing her own boob like that for a mirror selfie but for some reason I see troons grabbing their own 'boobs' all the time
No. 2551994
>>2551943KEK these white tims always have the most insane uneared confidence, like you can tell he thinks he's the sexiest thing alive but he literally looks like he's missing a chromosome
>>2551959theyll never grab a real woman's boob so its how they cope lol
No. 2551998
>>2551173Being religious is also stupid af and extremely sexist. Just be a downlow
Terf like most women who are too scared to come out publicly.
No. 2552009
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>>2551484Relatable. I also have social anxiety and related to her as a younger girl, i'm tired of everyone i see with a Tomoko pfp being a tim, i'm tired of anything made with weird girls in mind being colonized by them. Same thing with other scrotes mischaracterizing her and making her into their weird coomer fantasies, she would never say what is written in this image.
God i hate scrotes so much it's unreal.
No. 2552030
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>>2552024nta but yes, but men love the idea of taming or otherwise reducing women into a housewife. also i always wondered how watamote could be so relatable for me as a woman, then i realized it's probably because the moid is being tempered by his female artist. she definitely co writes this shit with him.
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>>2552009I also love Tomoko and what a shitty person she is, especially in the beginning of the series. Having her be synonymous with troons in the present day is disappointing but expected. It goes beyond my usual disappointment of men taking things from women, it feels especially gross with her for some reason
No. 2552129
Thread pic is good but not for a thread pic. The only thing you can read when you scroll by is "protect trans kids" with the tranny flag kek.
>>2551998Obviously. What she's saying is that nowadays people give you less shit for being religious (and thus anti-tranny) than just a
TERF (average progressive woman who doesn't believe in gender woo). People respect opinions and arguments more if they're rooted in religious beliefs. Like people who fervently defend islam and then call women against porn or prostitution or puberty blockers fascist.
No. 2552161
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I truly hope trannies jump on Simone Biles for having the audacity to suggest there be a 'transgender category' rather than unquestioningly letting them into women's events. Does she seriously fucking think Riley Gaines would not be perfectly happy with troons having their own category? That is literally what all evil TERFs have been asking for this entire time.
No. 2552273
>>2552191It always comes back to racism with these people. They just can’t leave black women alone. If your movement can’t exist on its own without misappropriating misogynoir as your sword and shield for any and all
valid criticism, then it’s a racist fucking movement. That simple.
No. 2552423
>>2551943He probably wanted to screenshot nonnas telling him he looked female as a “see? You can’t tell” kek.
The philtrum area and general proportions of his face and box body give it away immediately.
No. 2552652
someone posted this guy in the other thread and i don't think he really 'passes', he's just the rare tranny that knows how to dress and do makeup
No. 2552806
>>2552161as a black woman, I fucking hate trannies. Sissy BBC porn watching freaks, I hope they all kill themselves! Hypocritical neo-nazi trannies, I don't know how the left worships them
most leftists are hypocritical trend hoppers Sick fucks always harassing black women and using our history to hide their bullshit behind! I hate them so fucking much
No. 2553444
>>2553260>>2552610Sexuality and race are definable, immutable, observable traits while "gender identity" is impossible to coherently define and exists only in the imagination. You can be same sex attracted or belong to a certain race, they are real states of being that actually exist, but you can't be born in the wrong body and you can't change sex.
Tbh I probably wouldn't bother making a genuine argument, gendies are impossible to reason with. The true answer is like "trans are perverted men or self hating women so transphobia is good and
valid hope that helps" but they won't like that kek
No. 2553506
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>>2553463Some pics for anyone who doesn't want to watch the video. I didn't screenshot a close up of it, but the fabric on his skirt is ridiculously thin, I think it (and probably the rest of his clothes) is from shien.
No. 2553693
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The New York Times has a new podcast out about trans youth healthcare called the Protocol. It is currently being reviewed bombed by TRAs and has a rating of 3.3 stars out of 5. I just started listening to the first episode but wanted to share with other nonas and open up a discussion for anyone who is also listening.
No. 2553741
>>2553693read through a part of the transcript for the first episode to figure out the tone. Reading through the first person who had puberty blockers makes my skin crawl, it's all so … generic. You want to play sports with other boys, you don't like skirts and you wear your hair short, and that's enough to make you believe that you are not a tomboy but are supposed to be male. And this belief at 12 (in supposedly the 80's netherlands) is enough to make you make a suicide note and … the parents put you on puberty blockers. I can empathize with the parents since you never want your child to be suicidal, but holy shit dude there is no mention of therapy anywhere in this process. By the time she does go through therapy session she'd been on blockers for years already, too little too late I'm sure.
>>2553703It doesn't seem to get into any surgeries and is mostly about the puberty blockers.
Something that jumped out to me is the following excerpt:
>To be eligible for medical intervention, the distress needed to be intensifying as puberty neared. But Annelou said that for most kids, their distress would dissipate around that time, and because of that, they should keep options open for as long as possible.and
>It’s not only the medical approach, but it’s the whole approach. So it’s psychological assessment, but also psychological counseling, if necessary, addressing really psychiatric problems, family difficulties, family challenges.So it seems to posit that the puberty blockers were not the miracle pill that it's not sold as (or miracle shot, whatever).
Honestly not surprised TRAs are not happy with this. I've found that a lot of the very vocal people that shit on JKR and the like are regurgitating quirky statements they heard one of their darlings say with no research whatsoever.
I can't imagine having a 12yo and not focusing on therapy before giving them medication that can affect their hormones permanently (it seems to be glossed over but even if you take them for a few years the podcast mentions worries related to bone density and such, which honestly sounds about right for how much they fuck with your hormones). If it wasn't for that honestly it seems pretty well done, not very biased all things considered.
No. 2553785
>>2553741First ayart, I’ve listened to 5/6 episodes. It’s a very high level overview of trans youth healthcare with a focus on puberty blockers and HRT. They skirt around most mentions of surgery to the point it is easy to assume no surgery is happening at all in this group. The negatives they mention are brief and mainly focus on fertility, or are attributed as a one off. It’s worth noting that the treatment protocol they outline in the first episode is specific to the Dutch and could not be adopted in the United States in the same way. The podcast does a pretty good overview of how it became the standard of care in the US and was modified, highlighting some basic issues that have arisen from that.
The second half of the podcast seems to focus on how politically charged and emotionally distraught the discussion now is. And that it is because of this landscape that it could be impacting the US recommendations for standard of care. There is some discussion of how the population being referred to seek care now is vastly different from the population the majority of the research was done on. And that we can’t totally discount the role that modern culture has played in these children seeking out care or impacting their view of gender.
It’s fairly matter-of-fact in its reporting but I got the sense that the reporters leaned more pro-trans than neutral. If someone didn’t know anything about the topic I could see them walking away from the podcast wanting more oversight and research but not being against transitioning children as a whole… The pushback and questioning anyone pro-trans receives is fairly light, especially compared to the questioning of some of the critics. Incredibly the people they interviewed still took issue with their words being misrepresented because the piece isn’t a total endorsement of the affirmation model. Overall, if you know absolutely nothing about the topic give it a listen, or want to potentially sow the seeds of doubt in friends and family members I would recommend they give it a listen too. I’ll report back with any additional thoughts sometime today when I finish the final episode.
No. 2553789
>>2553463>>2553506kek the way he thought just hiding his face behind hair would make people not know his male body is male because he's (
checks note) ah yes wearing pink and a skirt
No. 2553797
>>2553741> (I can't imagine having a 12yo and not focusing on therapy before giving them medication that can affect their hormones permanently (it seems to be glossed over but even if you take them for a few years the podcast mentions worries related to bone density and such, which honestly sounds about right for how much they fuck with your hormones).I haven't listened to the podcast but the article in
>>2550923 also mentioned bone issues as a common side effect of puberty blockers when used in patients experiencing precocious puberty (their original intended purpose) so it's not even something that's unknown and untested. It's a pretty commonly reported side effect and has been since before transness ever went mainstream. Doctors have always been well aware of this risk yet still prescribe it to any young girl who wants a short haircut. They are intentionally raising healthy kids to become lifelong patients. I can only imagine in the next 5-20 years there will be a lot of lawsuits happening if they haven't already started. I'm already starting to hear anecdotal stories of TiFs my age (mid twenties) with osteoporosis and heart problems. It's devastating knowing they probably would've grown up to be healthy, happy butch lesbians without all of this interference.
No. 2553898
>>2553785Ah, thank you! I agree with you that it definitely leans pro-trans, but true neutrality would be see as hate speech by TRAs kek.
> Incredibly the people they interviewed still took issue with their words being misrepresented because the piece isn’t a total endorsement of the affirmation model. God, I wish I could say I'm surprised but what a load of horseshit. Honestly I hope that people will see that logic does NOT work with these people, you give them an inch and they will take a mile and spit in your face. Looking forward to your thoughts about the miniseries, thank you nona!
No. 2553935
>>2553917That's what you get for picking a moid therapist because you projected a few bad experiences you had onto all female therapists ever.
>DBTchecks out lol, I think I know why your group is full of troons.
No. 2553969
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Seeing Simone Biles defend trannies makes me so sad, like you think she of all people would sympathize with women and how women are attacked and raped in private areas by men with ill intentions. She's so male centered and considering our time period I shouldn't be surprised.
No. 2554043
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I'm not even a native speaker of English but it really annoys me how troon ideology messes up the English language. Listening to a podcast and they describe people not by "a guy/man or girl/woman" but "a fem/masc person". It's so fucking retarded, they're literally reducing people to stereotypes of feminine and masculine like what the actual fuck how can they not hear how retarded and backwards that is?! Next they'll be saying things like "a person looking like they belong in the kitchen" to mean "a female".
And of course none of them see the irony in crying "there are infinite genders, not just two you bigots" and still defining everyone based one the two sexes stereotypes. Instead of letting people just exist they now have to judge every single person's physical appearance and how well it fits into current rigid sex stereotypes and fashion trends. Butch woman??? "She's masc- uhh HE's masc- no THEY're masc!!! Shit better ask so I don't get it wrong" instead of just accepting women can dress however they like.
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>>2554269
Go wash your beard.
No. 2554354
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>>2554103>He looks like an ffxiv elezen.KEK you're so right
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The trans agenda is in Japan's pride weekend. Sad
No. 2555158
>>2554074Definitely but it's not exclusive to gendies, I think it's related to the concept of inclusivity. Many people refuse to improve or face any slightly uncomfortable situation nowadays because they are "neuro divergent" or whatever is the latest trendy microidentity. You can't expect people to cope with certain situations by themselves anymore, you have to be inclusive and adapt to everyone, sounds good in theory but just not possible in practice because we aren't even talking about people with actual disabilities, just the average shy or messy kid who thinks nobody else gets him and everyone is expecting too much.
>>2554774Ask them if disabled people are born in the wrong body? Racial minorities with internalised racism? Conventionally unattractive people? Is that person claiming that we have a soul distinct from our body or is the argument less stupid that than? A ton of people hate their own appearance due to internalised beauty standards or mental disorders.
No. 2555362
>>2551943Out of curiosity, why do we think he was self-posting? Because the pic was hard to find?
When this image first popped up I read the caption and thought, “Let’s not engage in troonvestigating, we don’t need to tear down other women who might just look moid-ish.” But then I enlarged the image and it was unambiguously a man so it seemed pointless to say anything against it.
No. 2555754
>>2555694Nta but wanting people to look like they're children and have never gone through puberty is the actual pedophilic fetish, stop with the mental gymnastics. Obviously it's sad when
any woman transitions, no need for a meltdown every time an anon call a TIF her age beautiful
No. 2555800
>>2555694>nooo how am i gonna get an eye candy by looking at those perky juvenile tits and feel them when i touch them nooooNo one said this but you. If you read "all breasts are beautiful" and your brain translates that to "I want to touch perky juvenile tits,"
you're a pedophile.
No. 2556001
>>2555982Headcanoning it as a seething troon kek
Anyway I keep seeing tifs crying about how poor they are for not receiving free funding for their tit chops, or how hard recovery is. It's literally a (dangerous) elected plastic surgery purely for delusional vanity reasons, why the fuck should we feel sorry for you?
No. 2556073
>>2554774There are only two ways one could be "born in the wrong body" - either the brain somehow develops separately from the body (which it physically cannot), or we have immaterial souls that are gendered before we are born (this is silly).
No other type of discontent with one's body is taken as evidence of being born in the wrong body, and there is no logical reason to distinguish sex from any other trait someone might wish to change about themselves - height, race, ethnicity, number of limbs, etc. If you're having a conversation with someone, I would ask them this question:
>How is sex different from race such that someone can be born in the wrong sex but not the wrong race? They can't answer truthfully because there is no logical distinction. This was actually the question that forced me to concede that there are no "true trans," I think it's very useful.
No. 2556085
>>2553797The original intended purpose of Lupron was not precocious puberty but chemotherapy for prostate cancer, and it was also then used for chemical castration of sex offenders. The use in precocious puberty came later.
>>2555362Because it was posted with no context asking 'is this a troon or a woman?' even though it was part of a tumblr photoset where the rest of the photos make it extremely obvious it's a moid at first glance and the profile is open about being a troon. Why would any nonna just randomly post this image of a literal who asking if he's female or a troon? Seems pretty obvious it was a troon attempt at a gotcha or baiting for attention.
No. 2556124
>>2556011Yes I am, half of the pride people are foreigners. Go figure.
I know zero tranny Japanese but have seen horrid crossdressers, who knows if they ID as trans…see tons of tranny tourists. It’s really only a matter of time.
No. 2556311
>>2553917My absolute worst experiences with therapists have been scrotes. You have to shop a lot in general for a halfway decent therapist.
The whole field is absolutely fucked. In part probably due to troons
No. 2556366
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Saw a moid commenting about his receding hairline on women’s hair subreddits so I clicked on his account and saw him posting nudes from public bathroom stalls on porn subs. Made me curious how prevalent this is and it’s unfortunately very common. This is only a small sample. How the fuck are we supposed to be ok with this
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>>2556313>no mentally healthy male is dressing up in heels, miniskirts and thigh socksI think a distinction needs be made between men who dress in a more feminine way like picrel vs. moids who don items with strong fetishistic connotations like the ones you listed, as well as shit like fishnets, chokers, tube tops, etc. Men dressing GNC as part of a cohesive aesthetic is fine, moids wearing tacky crap based off of pornified stereotypes of womanhood is not. A lot of male models would fall into the former category, while troons and drag queens fall into the latter.
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>>2556406russell brand and jared leto paid stylists to put together their outfits and were considered style icons at one point, you can't use that to tell the difference
the genuine fashion moids are probably the stylists who know he's a creep but want to keep getting paid for their hobby so let them creep
No. 2556487
>>2556470This is so real and it’s doubly so for troons. I write and play music but I feel too embarrassed to share my my recordings most of the time. Meanwhile there’s a tranny on my friends list who I used to be friends with before they trooned out, and literally every mediocre “poem” or song that he shares is gassed up with “YESSSSS GIRL HOW YOU ARE SO PERFECT AND TALENTED MY MIND IS BLOWN HOLY SHIT”
Like fuck, I’d feel confident and amazing too if I had half of the fake hype these men get, it’s insane
No. 2556548
>>2556487I feel the same way nonna, I now have released several albums and played in public dozens of times but for the first few years after I started making music I was incredibly embarrassed to post recordings or perform publicly, especially post recordings online if they weren't professional level. Meanwhile I knew moids who were 1/10th as talented at me, absolutely sucked and had no originality or even skill at singing or playing instruments or writing music, who would post their shitty phone recorded videos or songs recorded on what sounded like their laptop mic all over social media and troll for attention, and they would always get a ton of praise and attention for it. Half the time it's just that women have shame and don't want to post subpar 'art' publicly while moids think they're amazing if they're above toddler level at something. And people just play into it and praise them.
>>2556534NTA but I think the issue is that there's a very narrow range of what qualifies as men 'dressing feminine' to most people without it becoming actual crossdressing and thus fetishistic. Like I would never have thought the way that fashion moid above dressed was 'feminine' since when people talk about men dressing feminine they usually mean actual women's clothing, skirts, heels, makeup, etc. and other types of clothing that are specifically regarded as 'for women' and usually signify women's oppression in a lot of people's minds (whether they're aware of it or not), or, at the very least, are designed for female bodies and thus look weird on moids. When moids dress fashionable I think it usually doesn't come across as feminine or GNC so much as flamboyant/artistic.
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I'm in an art group online, despite being libfem-y as all online art spaces tend to be it's relatively drama and tranny free minus one TIM who up until now has rarely posted in it so it really wasn't that much of an issue. For some godforsaken reason this morning he's decided to go on a full fucking sperg about having to shave so he can "post on a certain adult account" because he got fired and needs money for Deltarune. People are ignoring him which made him sperg out even more. God I fucking hate TIMs. I hope he gets sepsis.
No. 2556691
>>2556659I’m not saying it’s the whole reason - hence why I said ‘one of the reasons’, but if you look at it in the context of the other aspects - part of the agp or agamp fetish is being aroused by the humiliation and taboo of wearing feminine attire, which to them is equivalent to being a woman. Same with hsts in a way, a lot of them grew up envious of their female peers, not only because they wanted Kevin and couldn't have him, because they knew that femininity was praised in Jessica and Charlotte but scorned and mocked in them. Believe it or not, upbringing and school experience add to one’s view of oneself, and combine that with verbal or even physical abuse into adulthood for their fagginess, and yea, it does contribute. You can’t separate troonery from gender roles, thats why they transition into such stereotypes of what they think the opposite sex is like. It’s certainly one reason among many, but people who don’t conform to that shit should not all be mocked if they aren’t troons. This also just gives more troons fuel to be like “muh terfs hate any woman/man who doesn’t fit their mold and they kick butches out of female bathrooms”. You are literally going by the same rhetoric they do just flipping it on its head. Weird conservative take
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>>2556644Deltarune is 25 bucks on steam. If he does art he can sell like one art commission and get the game. He doesn't even have to be good at drawing.
No. 2556762
>>2556757>>2556731He's a Pole, I'm not sure what regulations they have for blood donation but I have a suspicion its more lenient.
>>2556754Exactly my thoughts, which makes me think he's either genuinely retarded or trying ruin everyone's day and get pity bucks and affirm his fetish while he's at it.
No. 2556776
>>2556707You are deliberately misunderstanding what I’m saying. I’m not saying we should be fine with fetishistic scrotes performing their fetish in public, I’m saying that part of (part of!!) the reason they do that shit is because of regressive stereotypes. You made a sweeping statement claiming all moids who enjoy dressing feminine have a fetish, and I responded by saying that the is the sort of thing that gives them fuel to transition. There is a clear difference between flamboyant fashionable men who are into women’s fashion, and men who jack off to their own reflections and if we outlawed troonery the second type would be forced into hiding like they used to be and not be as shameless as to display themselves in public. Furthermore, since anything deemed adjacent to women and womanhood is seen as lesser and underlyingly humiliating (including sex stereotypes and shit forced upon us by virtue of the male designated role of ‘the woman’), when a moid is more feminine he is mocked and hated for it, for throwing away his ‘innate masculine power’ and lowering himself by being like the lesser female sex. This is one of the reasons why tomboys are accepted but the opposite is not, why women dressing masculine is somewhat more accepted than the inverse. Of course, women also face a ton of backlash for not conforming to the male gaze and decorating and plastering our bodies with paint just to be beheld, but it’s more for this idea of us being silly women wanting to be some superior thing that we are not, rather than doing all that we can to be desirable, instead of any sort of notion of lowering ourselves from our female status. But generally female masculinity is more accepted societally than male femininity, and it is because of the man and the phallic figure being this sort of ‘god’ and central power and default that is the ultimate thing, so men who don’t fit into that mold or are feminine or flamboyant or whatever are throwing away that ‘awesomeness’ of maleness and that status and lowering and humiliating themselves like women. I also honestly think homophobia stems from this (people can’t conceive a samesex relationship without a male and female role, and if a male is playing a female role he is disgusting and debasing and lowering himself) and if we were in some alternate universe where homosexual men were seen as the pinnacle of masculinity, they would not be oppressed in the slightest. But if we keep on giving all this power to masculine and feminine being innate to us as humans and not just products of patriarchal conditioning and socialisation, we uphold the structures that allow troons to even develop those fetishes in the first place. The pornified aesthetics and body enhancements to them are part of the charm as well as imagining themselves as women, as they are part of the picture of femaleness that is projected in the media they view. If gender was abolished gender ideology would be too, and it wouldn’t matter what clothes you wore or how you presented yourself as they wouldn’t be tied to sex stereotypes. But plastering all men who dress feminine as being identical to these freaks is disingenuous and works backwards - I’d much rather a million Georges who know they’re men and dress from the women’s section than one Lilith who buys fetish gear online and thinks his euphoria boner about it makes him a woman who deserves to invade our spaces and force lesbians to enjoy his mouldy dick. The point is making the fetishisers ashamed, not shaming every single male who deviates from the norm and upholding those standards and stereotypes in the process.
No. 2556778
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>>2556759It's really context dependent so it's hard to explain - for example a gym bro with huge muscles might show them off - it's more about whether they're trying to take up space and force people to look at / interact with them or not.
This is an example of mori fashion in japan for what's feminine by our standards but doesn't come across as aggressive or compensating, but it's still around volume, pattern colours. They're men obviously. Japan has much more scope for men to explore with fashion but it's got very fucked gender roles anyway.
No. 2556806
>>2556776No, I'm really not deliberately misunderstanding what you're saying - believe it or not sometimes people just actually misunderstand what you're saying, or disagree with you. And you started with the rude tone accusing me of making conservative arguments when I was not. Anyway, now that's out of the way, I didn't make a sweeping statement claiming 'all moids who enjoy dressing feminine have a fetish,' in my comment you responded to I said I don't believe that any moids troon out because they were bullied for dressing feminine or wanting to dress feminine, except for child transitioners, so therefore I don't think that making it more socially acceptable for moids to crossdress will prevent adult moids from transitioning. I actually think it's the opposite - as men dressing explicitly 'feminine' became more socially accepted, troonism became much more common. It's hard to have this conversation without knowing exactly what you mean by moids 'dressing feminine' but as other anons said above, stuff like wearing kilts isn't even seen as dressing feminine so presumably we're talking about actual crossdressing.
>I’m saying that part of (part of!!) the reason they do that shit is because of regressive stereotypes. Yes, and I agreed with you about that. Except that in my opinion, troons all ENJOY the regressive stereotypes, and that is a major factor in why they choose to transition. I don't think men troon out because they hate regressive stereotypes and feel judged and bullied for just bucking stereotypes. What troons all seem to have in common is actual enjoyment into leaning into regressive, oppressive stereotypes about women.
>There is a clear difference between flamboyant fashionable men who are into women’s fashionWhat are flamboyant fashionable men who are into women's fashion - like do you have examples? I've never seen a troon who is fashionable, and I've never seen a non-troon male who is into women's fashion. Flamboyant fashion is not the same thing as women's fashion.
>if we outlawed troonery the second type would be forced into hiding like they used to be and not be as shameless as to display themselves in publicI don't understand what you mean. I am not aware of any actual laws existing any time in my or even my parents' lifetimes that outlawed moids wearing women's clothing. Going back to the early 1900s there were crossdressing men who crossdressed in public. They were socially shamed, but transgressing taboos was part of their fetish, and they were always technically allowed to publicly wear women's clothing.
>This is one of the reasons why tomboys are accepted but the opposite is not, why women dressing masculine is somewhat more accepted than the inverse.Exactly, like I said in my post. Which is exactly why socially shaming crossdressing moids does not contribute somehow to women being thrown out of bathrooms for dressing 'butch' - most people understand that women dress or act masculine because markers of 'femininity' are limiting or oppressive in some way, and therefore do not assume these women are sex pests or predators. Since sex stereotypes against women and specifically female-coded clothing largely exist to oppress women, moids skinwalking these markers of femaleness is seen as creepy and predatory. It doesn't actually go both ways.
>But if we keep on giving all this power to masculine and feminine being innate to us as humans They're not innate and that's the whole point. No one would 'innately' want to do something humiliating or wear something that hobbles or excessively sexualizes them, which is why males choose to impose the more humilitating and submissive roles and sex markers on women. This is why there is no moid who innocently, non-fetishistically crossdresses or skinwalks women either - they are men getting a kick out of playacting the 'humiliating' things they have imposed on women. We won't somehow get rid of men's propensity to do this by saying 'this is good actually, and it shouldn't be taboo.' If we want men to stop fetishizing these 'feminine' things we need to get rid of them entirely and stop making them normal for women to do, although moids will find ways to try to skinwalk women anyway, but it certainly won't help to make it socially acceptable for moids to do minstrelry of women.
>the structures that allow troons to even develop those fetishes in the first place.Moids develop fetishes about literally anything and everything, we will never be able to stop moids from developing fetishes. We can only socially shame moids for their fetishes to such a degree that they stop being seen as acceptable to flaunt.
>If gender was abolished"Gender" will never be abolished and cannot be abolished, because "gender" is just "anything that is associated with each sex." People will always find some way to stereotype the sexes, impose things on the sex they consider to be lesser, etc. The best way to fight this is to stop making the bad aspects of gender normal or acceptable for either sex, not to encourage moids to playact them as a lark. Troons don't just wear women's clothing or enact female stereotypes, they also try to skinwalk female sexed bodies themselves, by forcing lactation and breastfeeding babies, sticking ketchup-covered tampons up their assholes, pretending their IBS is period cramps, etc. You will never manage to abolish moids fetishizing the female body and anything that is associated with femaleness.
>But plastering all men who dress feminine as being identical to these freaksAgain, maybe this conversation would be more productive if you defined what 'dressing feminine' means.
>I’d much rather a million Georges who know they’re men and dress from the women’s section than one Lilith who buys fetish gear online and thinks his euphoria boner about it makes him a woman They all know they're men, nonna. The thrill is in pretending they don't know that. Men wearing women's clothes was never illegal in the first place, but you can't stop women from recognizing that's predatory and being repulsed by it.
No. 2556849
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I'm so sick of hearing this argument. Men will go out of their way to do things for sexual pleasure. Larry Nasar volunteered his "services" and chose to be an athletic coach to sexually abuse little girls. It's not like he waltzed in and easily molested hundreds of children. Just because a non-troon is a sex criminal doesn't mean that other men wouldn't take advantage of the social currency provided by being a tranny. I actually think TRAs are retarded at this point.
No. 2556860
>>2556849Moids will get good grades for years, volunteer at hospitals and soup kitchens, learn piano and violin to a very high level, just to get a chance to go to med school, be in med school for 10 years, go through clinic rotations and residency barely having a chance to eat and pee, just to become a gynecologist or pediatrician or anaesthiologist so they can touch vulnerable naked women or children. I have no idea why moids keep acting like we are all stupid and were all born yesterday with this 'why would moids go to trouble to get
victims?' schtick. Moids literally will risk getting put in prison for life or in some cases executed because they want to rape women or children. Them dressing up in a skirt and wig and and pretending their name is Alice is far from the most difficult thing a moid has done to get his rocks off.
No. 2556935
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post is more artist salt but I felt its more suited here.
sometimes I can just tell that an artist has an incredibly sheltered perception of troons, especially when they shoehorn TIM ocs often. It sucks when they could be genuinely good artist if it werent for the gender cult nonsense.
Some days I sincerely pray they come face to face (even digitally will immediately peak anyone kek) with a true and honest TIM and witness the depths of their degeneracy, completely unlike the tragic uwu image they have in their head.
I mourn the quirky eccentric female artists we couldve had that thrown their life away for superficial affirmation and asspats, most of the time they act exactly the same way as they were before transitioning only with fancy labels slapped on top and an insufferable personality
No. 2556939
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>>2556849its crazy how believing in this argument means going on circles, trying to pass women as rapists defenders, and including men who call themselves women, as women,
Also the bad faith and incorrect belief that if you condemn rapist trannies while recognizing their sex it means feminists are somehow okay with men being rapists as long as they dont identify as women
Retards
No. 2556976
>>2556849It's extremely obvious there's so much money in trans idealogy. It's shilled so much by anyone adjacent to influencers and celebrity. I don't even know why. I had one experience with a trans in the public bathroom at uni and he was just being a freak loitering by the sinks. Blue greasy scraggly hair in an unstyled/ungroomed ponytail in an awkward board shorts tshirt combo of primary colours (blue and green) honestly dressed like a male toddler. I stared him out until he left because I didn't expect him to fucking leave or have a woman's intuition to at least blast the hand dryer to give me a semblance of privacy.
Then I had to work with a 6ft2 man pretending to be a woman and it was just such a joke. We had changing rooms and no one felt comfortable when he came in and he didn't seem to understand either. Not to mention his outfits.
2 whole idiots trans I've met in the wild and yet they as a demographic have such a fucking monopoly on politics. It is mental
No. 2557081
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How do you nonnas tolerate TRA friends? Everyone around me is just preaching to the choir at this point about protecting trans rights and anytime anything JKR-related pops up they tear into her like rabid animals. I hate being forced to put up with handmaiden friends who I’ve only stuck with because of childhood sentiment. Do you guys have any specific tips on how to manage your anger every time your handmaiden friends dog on JKR or TERFism? Or maybe I should just do what I should have a long time ago and cut these stupid fucks off? Do you think a friendship is worth keeping even if your politics don’t align?
No. 2557090
>>2557081i cut them off. i cut off my TIF nb ex. i was scared to even deal with my friend who was handmaiden-y in some way (she brought up her nonbinary friend a lot…). i won’t talk to this moid friend who suddenly identifies as nb… i just can’t deal with them. they’re all insane in some way, and i can’t deal with that insanity. maybe some people have a high tolerance for it, but for me, that level of delusion is too much for my own sanity and i will not be expected to enable it anymore. it goes beyond politics… it’s like.. their lifestyle. it’s unhealthy. i don’t even want to think about gendie shit anymore, i hated having cognitive dissonance and doubting myself, feeling like i was a bad person when i was slowly peaking and i had my TRA friends.
i am constantly reminded of gendies through my hobbies, so nah… fuck having friends who remind me gendie retardation as well.
No. 2557116
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handmaidens gotta stop
No. 2557121
>>2557081I don't really tolerate TRA friends. I have casual friends who probably support troons in a casual normie way but it's literally never come up in conversation, but my good/close friends I have in depth political discussions with are not gendies or TRAs otherwise they wouldn't tolerate me. I don't pretend to support troons and am very rude about them honestly so my friends either agree or have to deal. I used to do what you do (sticking with people out of childhood sentiment/nostalgia) but then learned those people would brutally drop me over the most minor shit anyway, so I don't play that game anymore. I don't see why I should have to hide my views and put up with people saying all sorts of hyperoffensive shit in my presence because we go back so far when the same person would never in a million years do the same for me. My actual good/close friends from childhood or college accept me having my own opinions even if they don't agree with me and that's how I know they're actual good friends.
>Do you think a friendship is worth keeping even if your politics don’t align?Yes, if both you and the friends can accept the political differences and still view each other as good people. No, if that's not the case. There are certain friendships that survive political differences because you mutually have a lot of respect, love and trust for the other person, and because the political differences between you aren't deeply moral differences that make you morally abhorrent to each other, and those friendships are fine. If someone actually would believe you're a truly evil person if you told them your views, I don't think the friendship is worth it since you know deep down they consider people like you evil and morally abhorrent anyway and that affects every single interaction you have with them on a subconscious level.
No. 2557122
>>2557081I vent here, to online GC friends, and to my boomer mom. It's getting really old, though. My best friend trooned out last year and I've been devastated about it. I won't cut off my old friends because I think it's childish and unhealthy to do that, but I should probably make some new GC friends. The only issue is that I have no idea where I'd find some in person, since GC women are so often crypto due to violent threats.
I'm so worn out by all the gender stuff, I wish the fad would just die off already. Being angry at troons and ridiculing them used to be sort of invigorating, but these days they just exhaust me. It's like having a lolcow as a family member; entertaining at first, but incredibly draining long-term. They're fucking everywhere. There are two TiMs and four TiFs among my coworkers, with several others getting hired and quitting over the last few years. Two of my male friends from high school trooned out, and basically every girl I befriended through cosplay is a TiF now. Two girls from the block I grew up on are TiFs. Three of my brother's friends have trooned out. This is fucking insane, people can't honestly argue that this is anything like left-handedness when the gender cult forms such obvious social and generational clusters like this. It's incredibly isolating to be a nerdy, college-educated liberal under 40 who doesn't buy into gender ideology. Imagine if half the people you grew up with converted to Scientology, and you knew they'd cut you off and brand you with a scarlet letter if you breathed a slightly negative word about it. Then imagine your choices in political candidates are ardent supporters of Scientology or literal rapists who paraphrase Hitler. It's like a kind of slow psychological torture, watching everyone around you slowly go insane.
No. 2557127
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For nonnies who miss lurking ovarit, vexxed.org will become public tomorrow! ♥
No. 2557153
>>2556992>the evil has been defeated .jpgYou and I are holding hands in a field of sunshine, nona.
>>2557081I peaked my best friend, my other closest friend hopes for mass successful tif detransing in the future, and my parents solemnly shake their heads at delusional male antics with me. I don't know what it's like to be in your situation, but I can say it is really nice not being surrounded by misogynists at every moment.
Rather than suddenly cutting them off, find things to fill your time with, and then begin prioritizing these new relationships and hobbies over your gendie/TRA friends. This will create a natural distance that won't leave a big lonely hole in your relationship network. And then eventually you can stop texting them altogether.
>>2557127What is vexxed? Never heard of it until now.
No. 2557177
>>2557173It's the "sports" argument thing again. Their logic is that since TERFs don't believe men should be allowed in the women's divisions, we're saying women are inferior beings who are lesser than men.
My own opinions on sex segregated competitions aside, it's an insane extrapolation kek. It's like saying that someone thinks children are inherently inferior because grown men aren't allowed in little league.
Moreover, it exposes their very cynical and reductive worldview of "anything physically stronger or fit is inherently superior". I guess we should abolish all those disability laws and reintroduce eugenics into the mainstream opinion!
No. 2557221
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>>2557153The website where most ovarit members migrated to after ovarit's closure. It runs on the same software as ovarit and looks more or less identical. Without logging in you only see the announcement post like picrel rn, but once it goes public you will be able to see everything
No. 2557249
>>2557122It's insane how many people just troon out now. They will never have a
valid reason either. I feel like this will die down eventually, but we are still in the storm, and it's incredibly frustrating as someone very much into logic and science. I hate men, and I hate what the tranny cult has done to the world.
No. 2557254
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what i don't get is when tifs try to adopt the gay male gaze and get really into shit like picrel or read those ugly ass bara yaoi djs with beefy/fat men with tans, bald heads and hairy asses. like they don't really think this is hot, right? they're kidding, right?
No. 2557264
>>2557254Ironic how being your "true self" means having to mimic what you
think things liked the group your LARPing as. Barashit is definitely liked genuinely by gay men, but
not all of them do.
A penis-having gay dude who doesn't like bara is 100% more gay than a TIFanny pretending she does.
No. 2557286
>>2557276>>You can't experience such a thing as 'brain-body incongruence' kek. Your only experience of your body is through your brain. I think you are talking about children having fantasies or delusions, which is actually extremely common for children.This.
I would explain it like the way feral kids grow to show "animal" characteristics, sometimes from being abandoned and mostly for being abused and treated literally like animals, so they don't learn to speak and so on.
That's the same with telling a kid they are whatever you want, they don't have the ability to discern fantasy from reality yet. That's why forcing a child into believing a delusion is, and should be considered no matter what, as a serious form of abuse.
No. 2557292
>>2557279
>Again it's stupid to believe all children will get affected by the socialization. How does gncfags exist then?
Of course all children get affected by socialization, otherwise they wouldn't learn language, be able to walk, etc. Everyone is gnc to some degree or other, which is a normal part of human experience. Resisting aspects of your socialization which try to force you into an unnatural personality or behaviors that you don't enjoy is a normal part of development that 100% of all children experience to some degree.
>Lol what kind of sexed expectation makes them want to have a penis and beard?
Again it's called a fantasy/delusion and it's extremely common among children. All children have wanted to be something they're not, whether it's the opposite sex, a pirate, an animal, a unicorn, an elf, an orc, a robot, or whatever. That doesn't mean they are those things.
>There seems to be link between prenatal hormone exposure and brain sex.
Yes, because XX chromosomes typically make you female and give you a female brain and hormonal profile, while XY chromosomes typically make you male and give you a male brain and hormonal profile. So if you're female all your cells and body parts will be female, including your brain. If you are biologically female, your brain is also - surprise! - female.
>Which what seems to cause biology induced dysphoria
Why would a female having a female brain cause dysphoria? A female can't have a male brain, a female can only have a female brain.
>I said extremely gnc, hypermasculine/feminine.
What do those words mean?
>This isn't an argument.
Yes, it is. Saying you can 'experience brain body incongruence' is like saying something can be blue and orange at the same time or that you're walking on the sky. It's such a fundamentally moronic (and oxymoronic) concept that no one intelligent could entertain the idea for more than a few seconds.
>If they feel stressed by their natal gendered body parts and acting up pathological how it does not exist?
Feeling stressed is not an 'incongruence' between your body and brain. Your body and brain are, by definition, congruent. Feeling stressed is an emotion that you can feel for various reasons.
>No they know what body they have they feel it doesn't match with their identity. Feels "wrong".
So like I said, a fantasy or delusion. You don't have an identity outside of your body, your body is you and your body defines your identity. I mean unless you believe in immortal souls or whatever but still, for the time being, your soul exists in your body and can't experience shit without it.
No. 2557300
>>2557296
>I'm not a gendie kek.
>Immediately followed by saying a genderist thing
Sure, anon, sure.
>There are such a thing as male and female interests
Yes, sex stereotypes exist in every culture, you are correct.
>Why same people couldn't keep their bottom parts if it was about that?
What does amputating your body parts have to do with being 'gender non conforming' anyway? Amputating body parts has to do with having BID or schizophrenia, it doesn't make you more 'feminine' or 'masculine' kek it makes you insane.
>do the things that belongs to that gender.
So… the social roles? For example, the 'male and female interests' you just described above?
>Women enjoy their femininity which goes beyond things like makeup and glamour.
Women throughout time have been fighting sex stereotypes imposed on them en masse so it doesn't seem so, no. Yes, social roles imposed upon women are oppressive, that's the entire idea behind feminism.
>Females with high prenatal androgen exposure shows to have male pattern behaviour and brain patterns.
False, there is no such thing as 'male brain patterns.' Can you define 'male pattern behaviour' in this context?
>I'm not a TRA.
You clearly are, every single thing you have said is a TRA/genderist talking point.
No. 2557339
>>2557313
>Children aren't stupid or selfless as you think.
Children are stupid, and they definitely are socialized/can't escape socialization. Also the idea that 2 year olds (who don't even have a grasp on the two sexes yet) can somehow know they are the opposite sex is hilarious. Make-believe play and delusions/fantasies are a normal part of childhood development, to the point we don't even call them delusions in children.
>Which isn't a phase or delusion it seems.
By definition, thinking you're somehow the opposite sex is a delusion.
>There are women with hyperandrogenism which gives them mostly more male typical traits.
Kek no. I have hyperandrogenism and I am not 'male typical' in any way. PCOS is a disorder that affects only females, it is a female specific disorder.
>How do you define a female body though?
>They don't deny their natal sex though, they want to live as the opposite sex.
This has got to be bait/trolling kek. Gendie logic in a nutshell. 'What's a female sexed body? Also they don't deny their female sexed body!'
>It's not true that everyone is gnc to some degree or other
>Obviously no one is %100 feminine or masculine.
Another self-contradictory gendie take. Why is gendie logic always (two opposing statements presented as simultaneously true)?
>That's actually not how the chromosomes works. But I'm talking about atypical cases anyway.
Yes it is how chromosomes work, and there are no 'atypical' cases where a female brain is housed in a male body or vice versa. Your body sex is always the same as your brain sex, no exceptions. Your brain is part of your body and contains the same genetic material/cells as the rest of your body.
>Because there's a correalation between having more male like brained and dysphoria in females.
What is a 'more male like brain' kek? You keep being asked but you can't actually give an answer. How can a female brain be 'male like'?
>I didn't say feeling stress is incongruence, they show pathological behaviours and mental conditions due to not accepting their sexed body which leads to dysphoria.
Not accepting reality is a delusion, it doesn't make your brain incongruent with your body. Your brain is, by definition, congruent with your body.
>Which bothers them
Lots of things bother people, that's just how it is. I'm bothered by the fact I don't have wings and can't levitate, but oh well.
No. 2557349
>>2557326
>Then what does getting bbl, breast augmentation, mastectomy, ffs are?
Cosmetic plastic surgery. I don't understand the relevance of this question.
>Having a vagina is feminine having a penis is masculine.
Sure. Only females have vaginas and only males have penises. Wanting to have a penis when you're female doesn't make you male-like, it makes you a person who wants something they don't and can't have.
>They want to do them in the gender they transition to.
What are they transitioning to? You can't 'transition to' another gender. You also think you're being sneaky by defining gender as 'interests and roles that are masculine and feminine' and when someone calls those out as social stereotypes/social roles you say 'noo that's not what I'm referring to' even though it literally is.
>Femininity can't be imposed to women, they embody it.
In that case there cannot be masculine women or feminine men. You've just destroyed your own argument, congrats! If 'femininity' is just anything associated with being born into a female body, then all females are feminine and sex dysphoria in females is just another facet of femininity.
>Experessing your attraction to the prefered gender more aggressively, playing with male toys, peeing while standing, being more rebellious and taking more risky actions, being interested into more technical stuff could be name as some.
Kek so just really dumb regressive and false sex stereotypes, which you just admitted don't matter?
No. 2557373
>>2557365
The higher than average estrogen in PCOS typically comes from higher-than-average testosterone levels, since excess testosterone is aromatized into estrogens in the female body. This high estrogen level then often causes downstream issues like low progesterone, obesity, etc. PCOS is actually defined pretty clearly in modern medicine. Anyway, yes you are talking about PCOS, since you kept mentioning female hyperandrogenism, which is PCOS. There are some women with MRKH who also have hyperandrogenism but this is a very rare DSD that is also specific to the female body, I assume you're not talking about it since it's so rare.
>I don't have a typical female body: small breasts, flat hips, broad shoulders and pretty much every other features are male typical.
So what you're saying is you have a typical female body, but just not one that's aesthetically porny enough for your liking? Or you're a male troon calling yourself a female? I don't get it.
>No one conforms to gender stereotypes 100%
>No that's not true! No one conforms to gender stereotypes 100%
>Yeah, exactly
>No, what you're saying is so counterintuitive!
Kek.
No. 2557461
>>2557394
>Estrogen induced features are what is feminine features are. Males have the broadness, angularity, hairiness, harshness due to high muscle mass and low fat, lower body weight etc.
Okay but having "feminine" physiological qualities doesn't make a male person female and vice versa. A male with moobs is still a male, and a hairy woman is still a woman. "Female" is an individual of the sex associated with the production of large gametes. You cannot "transition" from producing small gametes to large gametes, you can only sterilize yourself. Marx himself pointed out that systemic misogyny is the means by which men control the "means of production," i.e., women, the sex who get pregnant. Because the oppression is motivated by reproductive physiology, reparative measures must specifically address sex.
I have no idea how using medication and surgery to enable someone's delusions comports with the Hippocratic Oath. There is literally no other form of body dysmorphia we do this with. We don't give amputations to people with body integrity dysphoria. We don't give liposuction to anorexics. We don't give "affirming" surgeries to therians. Gender is seemingly the only delusion we enable instead of treating the underlying psychiatric problems causing the delusion, because I guess scientists in the gender movement have some kind of weird hubris thinking they can change a person's sex. You can't. No human being in recorded medical history has ever produced both eggs and sperms. It's a fool's errand and just as much a waste of resources as producedures attempting to change a person's race or species.
No. 2557481
>>2557470The
>which includes feminine rituals which are caused by womens own behavioursIs what really did it for me. Femininity includes feminine rituals caused by women's own behaviors. That's a circular definition.
No. 2557482
>>2557466Femininity can be anything associated with females, because it is cultural and sociological. In a world where being born with a vagina means being treated like a sexual object at best and property at worst, yes, suffering is part of the female experience. However, it's not the only part, and the objective of feminism is to make suffering not part of the female experience. But in order to solve that problem, you have to acknowledge it, my dear Tiffany.
I'm not sure why TiFs come to this explicitly women-only site if you supposedly consider yourselves heckin'
valid manly men. Or is imitating men who disrespect women's spaces part of your boyLARP? It doesn't really work as well when you're female, you know.
No. 2557531
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since a previous nonna asked how we feel about having TRA friends, what do you think about people who date gendies/troons?
case in point: one of my male acquaintances suddenly came out as bisexual about a year ago and has gone on about having a 'boyfriend' for a while. we aren't super close, but i looked at his account at random and it turns out this 'boyfriend' is just a tiny asian tif with a short haircut. i personally don't believe most of these men who date tifs actually fully believe in gender ideology, they just want an easy fuck and tifs will go along with anyone who plays along with their delusions. same with tim chasers.
as a lesbian i despise when people who date gendies call themselves gay or bi, it's literally a straight relationship. it's taken all my composure to not tell him to stop calling himself and his tif a 'gay' couple.
No. 2557541
>>2557531It depends on the situation. You brought up moids dating TIFs and claiming they're men - I think these moids are not chasers but men who are taking advantage of a woman's mental fragility. Incels even talk about finding TIFs on grindr because they're 'easy' compared to normal women and will have anal with men who pretend to be gay while normal straight women are much less likely to do that to themselves. So when moids date TIFs I assume it's predatory, and they're looking for someone vulnerable to control and take advantage of.
When women date TIMs, I'm confused. I understand trans widows didn't know their husband was a TIM when they first got married, but I know a handful of women, including a supposedly GC woman, who dated and even married TIMs knowing they were TIMs from the beginning. I can't for the life of me figure out why they do that, it seems like some sort of savior complex or something. Like this type of woman wants to date the most unwanted deranged type of moid as charity or something. I also agree that both these types are extremely offensive when they claim to be gay or lesbian, and I think at least part of why many of them do it is because they feel like their actual (straight) sexuality is not 'special' enough. The type of people who do this often want to seem different and more special than everyone else and get special treatment/oppression points. That's another reason why some women in particular may date TIMs and claim to be lesbian even when they are normal straight women.
When it comes to moids dating TIMs I think it's fairly self explanatory - they're GAMPs/chasers, usually AGP themselves or deeply closeted, repressed gay men. When lesbians date TIFs they usually end up trooning out too, but I often just assume it's because so few lesbians aren't gendies these days that they have to date somebody.
No. 2557615
>>2553693There is a podcast called Informed Dissent and they have two episodes where Jaime Reed, a trans clinic whistleblower who was interviewed for 'The Protocol' talks about the "The Protocol"
Episode 27 reviews the first two episodes. Episode 28 reviews the entire podcast.
Episode 27: Dissecting "The Protocol"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SVJ9_HWUyEEpisode 28: Jamie Reed Responds to the New York Times's Podcast, "The Protocol"
No. 2557671
>>2556898Nah I've seen some shit artists sell their stuff for more than 25 bucks. He's on an art community he can draw like some random anime character holding a tranny flag for 25 easy.
Or just draw porn. Idk he just wants to show his nasty butthole.
No. 2557821
>>2557808Just look at that crazy bitch in the OP image for the MtF thread in /snow/. Every woman I've known who went out of her way to date TiMs is a Luna-tier nightmare bippie who would happily debase herself for a scrap of woke validation. People like that don't think rationally, you basically have to be
as mentally ill as a TiM to be willing to date one.
No. 2557841
>>2557822This is not the most fair comparison. A lot of men are with obese women because they got fat after pregnancy and illness and shit, and they are at least somewhat attached to their wives/gfs. And there are just as many fat men as fat women anyway, a lot of couples are just two fat people. OP was asking why people date mentally ill people who claim to be the opposite sex knowing they're crazy beforehand, not why they date unfortunate ugly people. If you're talking about moids with feeder fetishes then I agree it's kinda similar, although still not exactly because many TIFs are actually fairly conventionally attractive.
>>2557821I know a woman who is like openly GC, like posted publicly about being GC on her social media and frequented r/GenderCritical back when it existed, who married a useless jobless TIM. I've known her since we were teenagers and she never struck me as a nightmare bippie, she has her life together (the troon male doesn't), graduate degree, good education, interesting job. She also seemed to have a thriving social life outside of her relationship and they were not all ultra-leftists that she was friends with. Those are the people where it really makes no sense to me, like you got fully married to a moid just to be woke when many of your friends aren't woke and you're publicly 'GC' and say
TERF shit on your facebook? I just don't get it.
No. 2557861
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I was just chatting with an old friend in uni a few days back and found out her middle school friend was a lesbian turned tif. Don't worry, she doesn't like troons just like me, and we made fun of honter together.
My friend told me how delusional her tif friend was, at first the tif was a lesbian for years and one day she decided to be a tranny with plans to titchop and cut her uterus but her plans fell thru because of insufficient funds. The cherry on top was the tif telling my friend (a medfag herself) that she wants to have children with her long-term partner. My medfag friend asked her if she was using a sperm donor but she said no, the tif was going to have a baby with her gf naturally?! She said women can have children together with a success rate of 30%.
When my friend asked her where she got this info from and which country did this applied to, the tif went silent.
I told you nonnas, these troons are so far from reality and drunk on gender nonsense. I will report back to you nonnas, if i heard more milky news about the tif when my friend got back.
No. 2557929
>>2557903I live in an ultraliberal city with tons of troons (probably as bad as Cali tbh) and somehow I have a lot of
TERF friends, but I was the one who had to kind of 'come out' as gender critical first. It only works with people who you believe to be somewhat reasonable to begin with but a lot of people are possible to convince, I even peaked some friends who were super gendie before. If that's too risky you could either try to find people on the internet somehow or just send out very vague feelers with people you know, like saying slightly gender critical but 'innocent' sounding things in private and seeing how people react.
No. 2557930
>>2557541Some of the women who date TIMs are the same who would date ugly/fat/spergy men – women who have bad self-esteem or who like feeling like they're out of their partner's league or who want to date guys who are desperate out of a vain hope that loser men will be more grateful and loyal (never happens).
More funny, though rarer, are the types who date TIMs because they're gendies themselves. These women are rarer, but I've seen a number of them who have "gender envy" where they want to be some kind of male they find sexy, but instead of wanting to be an anime boy or soft boy or hot metalhead or redneck trucker, these girls want to be clocky drag queens. They have a kink for crossdressing men and want to be/date a drag queen, so they end up dating TIMs. Some of these women (the most mentally ill) are basically just Kikomis where the type of man they want to be is a TIM (though they're not allowed to say that they view TIMs as men, it's obvious – this is the kind of "cis woman chaser" some AGP TIMs whine about, because the women are attracted to them BECAUSE they're clocky crossdressers, not because they actually see their TIM boyfriends as dainty anime waifs, it hurts their egos).
No. 2557935
>>2557929NTA but that's awesome. I think sometimes you just have to find a way to post about being a
terf and gnc, because if you dont straight up saw it, no one comes to you. I wear Harry potter merch almost on the daily and it feels like a calling card, so not as many tras approach me.
No. 2557950
>>2557903I dont live in the states but I live in a country that's a little conservative and im so glad that most of us are aware and can openly criticize trannies without any reapercussion. The term
terf here is a relatively new concept, and not many people align with those values exactly, but its a relief that we havent gone too woke and drink the gendie koolaid
No. 2557953
>>2557935I didn't really post anything much, I mostly did this irl by having in-person private conversations. I also posted a few pseudo-terfy things on social media but kind of to plausible deniability level, honestly I pretty much never use social media so it wasn't a great strategy for me. I think in person you're less likely to get cancelled for it at your job or whatever and people are more likely to be honest. When I first peaked I started out by telling my bf I peaked, he was like 'oh yeah you're totally right,' then I told my best friend and she ended up agreeing with me, then I started talking to my closer circle of friends, and once most of my inner circle of friends all agreed with me then we just all started openly talking about it at bigger parties and whatever so no one feels comfortable ganging up on us if there are several of us all talking about troons being creepy moids and not falling for TRA bullshit. The toughest was peaking my second-best friend who was a gendie herself, but she was also lesbian and when I very gently started asking questions about moid entitlement to lesbian spaces and sexuality she opened up and started peaking herself without me even bringing it up.
To add to that, the way the 'talking about troons being creepy at larger parties' thing works is that most TIFs and normies who support troons actually tend to be very timid people irl who will just go rah rah trans rights on social media because they think it's the right thing to do but if you start talking about creepy troon moid shit irl most of them are genuinely too scared to say anything but they will hear what you're saying and start thinking about it. The way TRAs always seem to 'win' in social situations is by ganging up on the lone person who seems like an apostate, so if there are multiple of you they are at a loss for what to do. Try at your own risk around violent-seeming TIMs though, I don't have any of those in my friend circle anyway so I was fine.
And to specify what I meant by posting 'plausibly deniable' stuff on social media, I would post about specific TIMs who were creepy and doing criminal things (like at the time Jonathan Yaniv) which would cause people to look up these sex pest moids, or like when they banned r/GenderCritical and other subs from reddit I posted about how reddit continues to have a million woman-hating porn subs but shut down all the female-only subreddits. Some people on social media got mad at me for this but I just acted 'innocent' and stuck to the topic, kept asking 'why is it transphobic to call out a pedophilic sex predator?' or 'why is it transphobic to have subreddits about female-only health conditions or for same-sex attracted women?' and all the TRAs could do was seethe and call me a
TERF and I would just say 'what's a
TERF? I don't understand' until they gave up kek.
No. 2558021
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Vexxed is up for lurking!
https://vexxed.org/ No. 2558079
>>2557952>The people who drink the troon kool-aid just get dumber and dumber.This is true of every gendie I've personally known or been aware of. There is such an obvious mental and moral decay in every TiM and TiF as they go further and further down the path and it's so weird to me that it's just there where everyone can see it but TRAs just kind of ignore it.
My little brother is still pretty pro-troon and has tried to give me a hard time for reading the Strike novels but I know for a fact there a number of toobers he lost all interest in after they trooned out. He tells me it's because their content became too 'niche' but I know the little fucker is just as physically repulsed by them as I am.
I'm willing to be proven wrong but I'm rather confident there isn't a single public facing tranny that hasn't noticeably declined after the trooning began.
The truth is, I'm just pissed off that Terry and his thread stopped being fun because of this shite.
No. 2558198
>>2558079I'm starting to think that as well. Like they start out dumb, mentally disturbed, creepy or whatever, but after they troon out it gets progressively worse. It has been likened to a drug addiction that requires increasingly big 'hits' to feel the same reward and I think that explains a lot of the mechanics of the 'mental and moral decay' you mentioned after trooning out, plus the fact that the insane levels of cognitive dissonance it takes to actually try to believe so many self-contradictory things and obvious lies really takes a toll on the psyche. A lot of women who were just casual handmaidens/libfems to be nice describe the feeling of 'lightness' that they experience after peaking - now imagine being an actual troon who's going through all the medicalization and imagine how heavy that feels on your psyche (as well as physical body). You're literally destroying yourself in real-time while trying to convince yourself you're feeling better every day. This would mentally and emotionally break most people.
I have some friends who were semi-peaked before but who decided to go back to being handmaidens because 'the community' (whichever one) was too important to them and every single one of them has turned into more of a mess over time just from regularly interacting with troons and trying to believe their weird bullshit, to the point some of the friends are almost unrecognizable. They go from a person who could have a conversation even if you disagreed, to getting hysterical, anxious and emotional over even the most minor differences in opinion. It's just too much cognitive load for most people to live under that level of delusion and still be mentally healthy, which is probably why you also see a lot of trutrans/"dysphoric" TIFs turning into such misogynistic spergs after a while. They need to viscerally hate and revile all other women to maintain their delusion that they're different somehow and the arguments they hear against them don't actually apply to them.
No. 2558255
>>2557531Lol, I experienced the same. Dude tells me he has a boyfriend… boyfriend is a woman.
I felt duped. I have to say, I felt the whole time confused that he would date a guy, something seemed off, but then, seeing her, it made suddenly sense why it felt off.
No. 2558271
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Found out something new today bc of a Clinical Trail art account.
It's a lable…for not having a lable
No. 2558275
>>2558271Those people have too much time on their hands.
On one side the flags are all annoying (except the rainbow one) but on the other side they are practical to weed out the shit since people like to use them in their profiles.
No. 2558293
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Not to be an asshole about someone’s death, but I just saw a news article about a hair stylist/“beloved daughter” whose body was just found in Denver after being reported missing for 2 months.
This is the “daughter” in question:
No. 2558492
>>2558292Even shit like Alien Limb Syndrome isn't a true mismatch or disconnect between the body and the brain, it's just a brain issue where the brain is for some reason creating distress and neurological issues about the body it is, in actual fact, connected to and in control of. So it makes the troon argument that somehow the brain is 'mismatched' with the body no more compelling, because these troons never admit their brain is just malfunctioning and therefore causing distress about normal body parts, they always act like their brain is 'correct' in somehow perceiving the body as alien. Like they can 'not match' somehow. They do match, your brain maps onto your body, if you had a 'male' brain in the womb you also wouldn't have developed a female body plan since the two are inextricably related. I just don't know why they are so dead set on insisting that the brain can be separated from the body somehow or the two can be 'not matched,' or if you feel mental distress about something normally functioning in your body it means your malfunctioning cognition is actually in the right and the normally functioning rest of the body is wrong.
>>2558283Mulan according to the story didn't even want to cross dress and didn't remain male after the war was over, she went back to presenting as female and married and had kids. I like how they will even headcanon people who were forced to cross dress against their will as troons.
No. 2558531
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what does this even mean?
No. 2558539
>>2558492>I just don't know why they are so dead set on insisting that the brain can be separated from the bodyThis is actually a holdover from earlier internet/tumblr era mentalities, you would see a lot of disconnect in younger women blogging about their "stupid bodies" or feeling as though their "meat bags" couldn't keep up with the superior intellectual organ that is their brains.
I wouldn't be surprised if this sort of thought process only added fuel to the trans ideology fire.
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I hate when my nail polish is chipped and I forget to wear my tight crop top out on the trail. I can’t hike ten feet without a man inviting me to his bbq as a fellow man. Really takes the wind out of your sails nonnies.
No. 2558785
>>2558281that is interesting because I always thought a lot of TIFs were rape
victims or people who had trouble upholding boundaries, and would get into pronouns as a really obvious way to set a boundary and see if people respected it. But I guess they still pick overbearing disrespectful men to date in the end.
No. 2558812
>>2558492>I just don't know why they are so dead set on insisting that the brain can be separated from the body somehow or the two can be 'not matchedIt's a cultural remnant of Christianity and Catholicism in the West. They were the first to posit that the soul (the true essence of a person) is something separate from the body and the only thing that matters. It's easy then to convince people to throw away their lives in holy wars if their bodies are nothing but a vessel for their "immortal souls".
Enlightenment just replaced soul with brain. It's now entrenched in western culture to think that the brain, the true essence of a person, is separate from the body and that the body is nothing more than a vessel you can do whatever you want with. But instead of throwing it away to fight in wars, the inferior body is something you can "customize", hence troonism.
No. 2558815
>>2558807If you've been in the tif threads on /snow/ (or seen some of the crossposting here), you may have seen posts from tifs who get placed in men's shelters. Long story short, they are keenly aware of the violence males can inflict on them as women (despite being true men-) and freak the fuck out.
Tifs do NOT want to be in male spaces, and even the most hardcore larpers don't seem to venture beyond fujo/fandom and into true fagmale spaces for pornography or socializing. They occasionally post into gay male subreddits for ~validation~ and get promptly bullied out, so it seems they only willingly enter male spaces when it's can be done with as little effort as possible.
No. 2558843
>>2558840Not really, modern science does not 'separate' the body from the brain at all. It's generally considered the seat of the 'mind,' yes, but also of the entire body, even at the most basic 101 level. That's considered a funny and archaic way of thinking about things since it's now pretty much taken for granted that the brain is inextricably linked to every single process in the body and is in a constant feedback loop with the rest of the body. Even the idea of 'androgens in the womb making my brain biologically masculine' depends on physical processes outside of the 'mind' supposedly having a direct influence on your brain.
I mean I don't disagree that's to some extent probably how troons are treating it, but it's not how the brain is thought of by mainstream society or by scientists. It's another woowoo belief they are imposing on something that isn't generally thought of in a woowoo way and then acting like the woowoo belief is normal. Modern understandings of science posit that the brain and body are not separate, and when the brain is dead the body is also essentially dead. We even kill people who are still breathing and have a heartbeat for organs because they are 'brain dead' and therefore considered for all intents and purposes really dead. So if the brain controls the entire body this seems like an extremely UNUSUAL belief for troons to have that the body is actually 'misaligned' by the brain and a wrong brain was inserted into their body by mom's womb. Also a belief that directly contradicts the mainstream scientific understanding, while claiming it is 'true proven science.'
No. 2558847
>>2558831>>2558836Yep, all my personal tif cows are heavy into the kink/poly scene. One of them bragged on their blog about having group sex with strangers at a festival, it seemed so bleak.
After the past few threads in /snow/, I really am convinced there is self harm present in every tif's life. For a lot of tifs that won't go beyond top surgery, they seem to utilize their sex lives as a way of continuing self harm.
No. 2558880
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pedophile
No. 2558931
>>2558880>"when a toddler describes reality no one questions it, UNLESS the toddler is wrong about reality"Yeah no shit??
>"nobody feels like a girl or boy"So close to getting it. There is no fucking "feeling like" your sex. I don't "feel" like a brunette or "feel" like a medium tan skinned person, what the fuck does that "feel" like? That's just physical reality described.
No. 2558975
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Why is it so hard to condemn individual men for compromising women's sports for their own gratification? Just passing the buck and saying it's all in the hands of the governing bodies doesn't really hold much water if a large part of why the governing authorities have the bad rules in the first place is because of pressures and threats leveled against them by these men and their supporters.
I can muster some sympathy for retarded groomed moidlings with narcissistic parents and predatory teachers but acting like no teenager is responsible for his actions sounds like a perfect recipe to raise a generation of morally empty psychopaths.
No. 2559012
>>2558975>I was not advocating against women’s sportKek she can’t even stand on what she said.
I hate black women like her. Trannies always throw us under the bus at any chance they get, in fact their favorite ploy to support males in female’s sport is “if black women can play then trans women should too” and they love bringing up Serena Williams at any chance. Fuck them trannies , they can all die.’
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Trannies will literally kill women. Medical misogyny is a very real thing and saying that we shouldn’t have “women’s healthcare” is exactly that.
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Wanted to warn nonas the BP thread was locked about an hour ago (which I support), so be ready for a massive seethe and sperg in this thread. and probably /ot/ in general
No. 2559478
>>2558975Kek they are calling her a
terf on bluesky
No. 2559486
>>2558975I think it's kind of a good sign that she's backtracking, shows that the tide is shifting if she felt the need to do this. She's still an idiot though and fuck her for the things she said to/about Riley Gaines, who has 100x more spine than her.
>>2558880Apparently when I was 2-3 years old I vehemently and consistently insisted that I was Wendy from Peter Pan, to the point my parents said it was embarrassing because I kept correcting people who called me by my actual name kek. Should they have affirmed that I can fly to Neverland too?
>>2559194AYRT and she didn't un-peak afaik, she became GC when she was already dating him (and he was already trooned out) and she was open about him being mentally unwell. You're right there's probably more to it than I understand, since it's not like I knew everything about her life, but everything she did say made her seem mentally normal and well-adjusted and confident in her views. She was even the first person who publicly stood up for me against troons on social media. I know she used to have very low self esteem and think that she was fat and ugly, but she seemed to have gotten over that and was very attractive too. Very strange. She has not talked to me since shortly before the wedding though, so I hope she's okay.
>>2559404This is exactly my experience too. They never seem to hang out with moids but since their other TIF friends are 'guys' they feel like they know men and have a mixed-sex friend group kek.
No. 2559502
>>2558880Adults don't "accept" a 2yo as a boy because the child declares it. They recognize the boy's sex. How do you feel like a boy or girl or neither, especially if it's intuitive, innate, and self-driven like the troon says? Is it just based if you want to be a boy or a girl or neither? Can you have an innate gender identity you don't want? Is it possible to mistake a gender feeling for another? How can you tell?
>>2559412Uterus owners sounds clunky. Hmm if only there were a word for the type of human with a body made to have a uterus and produce eggs?
No. 2559543
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any anons like fixing up bathroom graffiti? came across a sharpie covered up “trans women are men” and decided to help restore it to the original message
No. 2559587
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>>2559543can progressive morons stop using this whole be kind bullshit? enabling misogynists isn't kind. supporting an ideology that tells people that there's something wrong with their body and to self-harm isn't kind. letting kids be groomed and permanently injured isn't kind. imagine being a kid and actually being told directly and indirectly by everyone that your body is WRONG and you must take hormones and try to change yourself to fit in and distance yourself from what sex you actually are.
this whole be kind shit is behind the prison abolitionist movement and letting violent criminals get away with hurting people. your ideology is shit if it's just based around being kind. it actually feels like a psyop at this point.
>>2559513troons see bodies as possessions and plug-and-play meat robots to customize. very sad mentality.
No. 2559704
>>2558604>>2558534>>2558550I thought those were oc's bc of the blank character wtf.
Shame on me for not thinking bout tumblr hate thread.
Thank you nonas
No. 2559724
>>2558880It is scary to think that people with medical training are using their platforms to say retarded shit like this. Children are sponges for cultural messaging and gendered socialization begins from the moment they are born. They are born into a world where everything from their nursery wall color to their onesies are informed by the expectations of their sex. This idea that children are magical blank slates that just discover themselves by toddlerhood is so absurd it is shameful a doctor would peddle it. But this is the same doctor who was lambasted for putting a 12 year old girl on testosterone, so it is not very surprising she is retroactively justifying the decision that jeopardized her career.
>>2559587I have been fed up with this Disney adult "be kind" shit for years. It feels like everyone just randomly decided to stop thinking and ceded all their decisions and opinions to whatever the cultural zeitgeist has determined is The Good Person Position. It is such a vapid, nothing slogan. Be kind to whom? And why? What does "being kind" even mean? In my mind, it is not kind to encourage your loved ones to compromise their health to chase a fantasy, so what are we even talking about here? I really think this sentiment is what has driven a lot of normies to vaguely accept trannies despite clearly knowing nothing about gender ideology. I just don't get why they were so quick to turn off their brains.
No. 2559728
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>>2559724She actually was suspended last year for misconduct (lack of informed consent to several adolescent patients) but she's been un-suspended on appeal. Diabolical.
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is it that serious
No. 2559784
>>2559412>'Women' was invented to put down the owners of uterusesSo woman means owner of uterus, so we can call it women's healthcare, glad she cleared that up. Are they really trying to act like 'uterus owner' is less dehumanising than 'woman'?
>>2559728Wtf. This should be spammed in her replies. These people are seriously mentally ill, they don't care to help children they just want to troon them out as much as possible
No. 2559797
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kek
No. 2559828
>>2559796All good I do that sometimes too (respond before reading all the new posts) kek. But in this case I don't think she was asking in good faith, although I know some people do ask about trutrans in good faith.
Regarding the south and east asian transsexuals, it's interesting that most of them don't actually consider themselves women anyway. Like Thai ladyboys usually don't get the dick chop and will admit they're not women, although they don't exactly call themselves men either. It's much different than western transsexualism and seems more like an (exploitative) social role for people who otherwise would just be considered flamboyant gay men in any other context.
No. 2559835
>>2559550>>2559541Honestly, I've seen TiFs that fit both descriptions. In my experience, the lesbian ones tended to have some kind of past trauma, while the straight ones were some type of alt or nerd. A lot of ana-chans (straight or gay) end up becoming TiFs, too. It seems like any girl with trauma or who wasn't a normie WASP queen bee type is liable to get sucked into the cult. Here's an overview of TiFs I know:
>Nerdy, tomboyish, alt girl raised by liberal, non-religious parents. Straight, oldest of two. Her first serious relationship was extremely unhealthy. Transitioned at 25.>Latina raised by conservative Catholic parents. Straight, only child. Overweight, shy, and nerdy. Transitioned at 17.>Nerdy but highly feminine shy girl raised by wealthy, conservative Catholic parents. Straight, oldest of four girls. Transitioned right after moving to college.>Socially maladjusted homeschool kid raised by evangelical parents. Straight, anorexic, no IRL friends, no hobbies outside of social media. Transitioned at 18.>Promiscuous but nerdy girl raised by wealthy, liberal, hippie parents who went through a nasty divorce. Bisexual, oldest of two. Transitioned at 17.And those are just the ones whose back stories I know. There are several more who I only know superficially through work, college, etc.
No. 2559846
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>>2559587you're not wrong abut it being a psyop. in my experience it's always usd to shut down criticism, especially on women where if you say anything vaguely negative you get labelled a mean bitch.
victoria smith (uk gc feminist) has just published a book about how the "be kind" bullshit is used to shut women up, i haven't read it yet but it seems to be on point (picrel)
No. 2559850
>>2559835I know too many dozens of TIFs to list out like that but that sounds similar to a lot of the ones I know. Most were not raised in religious backgrounds, but I don't know all that many people who were or at least they're a minority of the people I know. Many I know transitioned in their twenties but that might be because I'm a bit older and transition wasn't common when I was a teen. I think there is a huge overlap with EDs, autism, trauma, but also just being socially retarded or extremely shy.
>>2559846It is on point and I've been saying this to anyone who will listen since I was a teenager. The emphasis on being 'kind' always just hurts the people who are kindest or want to fit in most by forcing them to 'do all the work' of making everyone else feel bad, while the least kind and most aggressive people always get whatever they want. Women are socialized to be kinder so women bear the brunt of this no matter what the specific thing you're asked to be kind about is.
No. 2559923
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you know what's really fucked up is that I always thought feminine men were really hot. then I spent my teenage years hanging out in social circles with troons. now I get repulsed most of the time I see overly feminine men because of the experiences I've had, the way so many of these guys act overentitled and socially domineering towards women, beyond even the limits normie masculine men would typically go. I never want to have to put up with that shit. They cannot take "no" for an answer. You can't even retreat to women's spaces to escape them. Good luck ever trying to tell them if they're acting misogynist. because even if you do it nicely they'll blow up at you for indirectly invalidating their gender. (Women can be misogynist too, but even saying that is not good enough for them. Their guilty consciences betray themselves.)
Plus they have all these disgusting fetish fixations derived from porn about women. They do not act feminine. they act like disgusting misogynist wankers wearing costumes. they're akin to the "submissive" kinky men who objectify dominatrixes (there is a massive overlap here). This experience has made me hate men so much more, because I realize that the superficial aesthetics mean nothing. Misogynist men will act entitled to women's subservience, whether these men are wearing a suit or a skirt. The moidness still shines through.
In the first place, I fantasized about fem guys because I thought they'd be nicer to women since they aren't confining themselves to the harsh male gender roles. But what really matters is what's inside. It's not something that can be bought at a store, worn on a shirt, or taken as a pill. They pick and choose which aspects of gender roles they want to follow. Their outward attire doesn't mean they reject all the detrimental aspects of their male socialization. Being a straight woman in this gayass world is really annoying. Scrotes are such homosocial weirdos that even when they try to identify as the opposite sex, they're still only referencing male-created myths about women.
picrel is part of a tweet from JKR
https://x.com/jk_rowling/status/1869699557660975482 No. 2559982
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>>2559923I really like sensitive feminine guys too. The tranny cult is the bane if my existence.
No. 2559996
>>2559728>south Wales ValleysUnshocked. Despite South Wales being pretty rural and full of old people and the remnants of a dying coal mining industry with very little prospects for young people - the amount of troons I see around here is really very high. At least one every time when I go to town which is pretty high imo. And it's 100 percent hons no HSTS. The one who works at my local theatre is a curved spine brickhon who wears the worse red lipstick and has the classic unwashed hair. They all do. It's like a uniform.
And this isn't Cardiff or anything which does have a lot of ugly troons as well but that's expected. It's a big city. But this is like small town village where I live so I find it even more odd that there's so many troons.
It only enforced my thoughts that troonism is an epidemic born out of too much online and being bored/dissatisfied with nothing else going on. Because there's not much to do around here for a young guy if you aren't kind of a classic lad who likes sports/drinking.
No. 2560019
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>>2559923Big same. When I was a teenager I was super into hair rock guys. Now whenever I see a man wearing lipstick and high heeled shoes, I gag because I'm reminded of all the AGPs plastered all over the internet. I still really enjoy men with long hair, but I'm wary of dating them now because I worry that any man growing his hair out is a closeted or future troon. Makes me so angry, I wish I could time travel back to when it was common for men to have long hair and they weren't all brainrotted from overexposure to internet porn.
No. 2560048
>>2559923>>2560019There's a contingent of troons who will never pass as women but glow up pretty good for trying and I every time I see one I think what a fucking waste it is.
I wish GNC men were real.
No. 2560064
>>2560048>glow upIn my experience they look either worse or the same. Whatever gains one of them occasionally makes from doing things like shaving, applying lotion, and improved hygiene are outweighed by the perversion and narcissism that radiates off of them. Plus even the HSTS ones tend to have horrible fashion sense and botched faces.
Moids keep wondering what they can do to attract women, and instead of asking actual goddamn women, they consult faggots on /fit/ or PUA Reddit. They think every woman wants a 6'5" bodybuilder millionaire, when in reality we just want a guy who takes care of himself! Y'know, in decent shape, not a porn addict, employed, good hygiene, nice hair, healthy skin, and not mentally ill. Moids think that their options are to either be Chad Thundercock or be a worthless slob, it's so annoying. It's no wonder they think trooning out is the only third option (it isn't, they're just retarded).
No. 2560197
>>2560129I'm sure there are TIFs out there who are the youngest, but I think the parentification of oldest daughters has a tendency to make teenage girls particularly frustrated with gender roles. I know of a few oldest daughters who left Mormonism in part because of that. I know one middle-child TiF, and I came dangerously close to trooning out even though I'm the youngest in my family, so it's not a hard rule.
The more striking pattern to me is that all of the women listed are nerdy or shy in some capacity. What do nerdy kids do? They spend all day online, while normie kids are out playing sports or socializing. Premature exposure to social media seems to play a role in kids transitioning, probably because they get exposed to adult troons through fandom bullshit on Tumblr, TikTok, Reddit, etc. How often do Chads and Stacies troon out, genuinely? Have any of you nonas seen a queen bee at your school get a tit chop? Something tells me the answer is no.
No. 2560241
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No. 2560331
>>2560243Both of the comments in the screenshots are right.
They want to be her, but better. They want all the attention.
No. 2560439
>>2559541the only tif i knew in a personal mevel was a (straight) cluster b headcase who mostly trooned out to skinwalk her
victim of the day but she's probably in the minority.
>>2559850ayrt and yeah forced positivity in general is a convenient tool to keep people down. managers love using it against employees who complain.
but i see it especially used against women when if you criticism or call out someone's behaviour or even just say your opinion too honestly and without frills you get categorised as a debbie downer or a shrieking harridan.
have you read victoria smith's book? ive ordered it but my copy isn't here yet orz
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No. 2560704
>>2559543I went to a show this week and the bathroom at that bar always have a lot of TWAW graffitis. I always
terf out with my sharpie. I love it when I go back weeks later and other women approve of what I wrote and see the seething responses of troons and handmaidens. I love to quote deranged shit from TRA like that Andrea Long Chu quote about how being a woman is getting fucked. This one always get blacked out.
No. 2560716
>>2560661Considering the prominence of autism in genderism and how many autists also have physical symptoms and there is an overlap between tism and connective tissue disorders I have to wonder how many of these people are trooning out because they feel like shit because of their illness but they don’t want to take any substantial measures to improve their life so they assign their discomfort with their bodies to gender because it gives them an easy “fix”, a little cult to belong with, and heaps of asspats.
At least when they’re not larping, of course. A bunch of them are just munchies. I’m sorry about having to deal with retards
nonnie.
No. 2560725
>>2560716Thank you, you make an excellent point and it just also leaves a weird bitter taste in my mouth. I imagine as a woman is difficult to externalize your pain and have it be taken seriously but it's such a crabs in the bucket ass mentality to be
triggered by someone just loving their body or finding positives in it. Then have the gal to act like the non-retarded person is in the wrong or somehow more "privileged" for not being a weaksauce retard or have gendie autism ( I have based woman autism ig)
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>>2560634>>2560688Rin taichou is prolly mad af because he trooned out and then his internet presence began to suffer since he was known as a crossdresser/crossplayer. He also trooned out when it wasn't as acceptable so now he kinda dug his own grave esp with the fact he's getting old. Saged bc his face isn't milk
No. 2560808
>>2560241I think both are true, both for trooning and domestic violence generally. They feel comfortable going mask-off because their wives can't escape
and they're intensely jealous of the attention mom and baby get.
No. 2560848
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Girl that's a man with a lesbian fetish
No. 2560861
>>2560439No I haven't read the book, you should excerpt it once you get it and post here if there's anything interesting. I just suspect the book is fully correct because I know the positivity/be kind culture hurts only female-socialized people and overly empathetic people the most. I've actually been called a 'negative nelly' or whatever many times in my life because I'm from a culture where being negative, not randomly smiling at everyone, etc. is considered normal. Not like you go around crying and whining all the time, but you would not sugarcoat how you feel and complaining is actually a bonding experience or considered funny to most people and you are allowed to have boundaries around strangers. But as an immigrant to a 'positivity' based culture I found the positivity culture borderline
toxic at times and very uncomfortable - like as a kid I was always wondering why people act hostile and aggressive if you assert social distance with people in a polite way or politely express you don't like something. As I've gotten older and adjusted more I've realized it's just straight-up harmful. There might be some advantage to remaining more chirpy and friendly around strangers but if you internalize it too much and start 'including' everyone and doing shit that crosses lines for you just to 'be nice' it turns dangerous fast. Only people in cultures that have been exceedingly safe and comfortable throughout most of history think it's a good idea to force people (mainly women) to be so accommodating of everyone and everything.
>>2560704Kek but why don't they want to listen to troons?
No. 2560877
>>2560809NTA but completely agree on both, and it's especially funny when they use debilitating women's health issues as some kinda gotcha or 'intersex condition' to legitimize them. Like PCOS and endometriosis are disabling conditions that ruined my life, and taking medications sucks even when they're necessary. All the side effects, blood tests to monitor everything, etc. just add up to having a much lower quality of life and lots of people myself included end up hating and feeling 'alienated from' our bodies for good reason when they stop working as intended. Meanwhile these retarded larpers will cause all those problems and more for themselves thoughtlessly, for no reason, never considering how much of a burden it will be on their own health and, eventually, on all the people around them, on the health care system, on taxpayers helping to pay for their medications and surgeries. They disable themselves deliberately when most disabled or chronically ill people I know do everything in their power to avoid being medicalized more. I wish I had a normal functioning body I didn't have to throw drugs and tests at constantly.
>>2560848KEK the moid should have felt lucky he was originally with a bi woman who would put up with his switch to woman cosplay mid-relationship but still no.
No. 2561009
>>2559828I had heard this, so when I was in Thailand, I went to talk to ladyboy prostitutes. I paid one for his time and we got dinner. I told him that I was from America and was curious about this. He told me that he and his friends did think that they were women. It's possible some language barrier got in the way. Or it's possible that he told me an answer that he thought I wanted to hear.
Regardless, yes, western and eastern transsexualism are very different. They don't have the AGP problem. Their homosexuals just "become women", but act rather similar to our homosexuals (promiscuity, etc.).
No. 2561900
>>2561886NTA but unfortunately all it takes is one turbo autist fixating on you and now you're dealing with something you can't effectively put a stop to because our judicial systems hate women.
The amount of times I've seen anons talk about accidentally getting the attention of a single bippie or narc freak, none of them had accounts break 100 followers. And I think this is a problem that disproportionately affects women, as well.
No. 2561955
>>2561943Wish this actually worked but ime it doesn't.
Anyway I think the reasons for women being less likely to have well-known channels in male-dominated music fields (or other male-dominated hobbies) is far likelier to be related to imposter syndrome, general fear of inadequacy and moids not taking women as seriously than it is to be about fear of stalkers. Women have been putting themselves out there in all sorts of fields for a long time knowing that moids can always potentially be dangerous, but we don't stop living and deny ourselves opportunities because of it. I just think the more male (and troon) dominated a specific hobby or career is the less easy it is for women to break out in those fields making videos, instructional content etc. There's still an assumption women aren't good at things, even things as seemingly neutral as music. I am the leader of a band that's half-and-half men and women, I write all the music, lead the rehearsals, etc. I have had multiple experiences of showing up to gigs to set up with my boyfriend and the people owning the venue or the sound guy walking right past me and ignoring me to talk to my boyfriend about the stage setup and setlist instead kek. And I don't even do a particularly male-dominated style of music.
No. 2561985
>>2561981I always heard you're supposed to say that but whenever I did people would just be like 'so what?' I must be meeting worse than average moids in my life.
>Why is my “no” not taken seriously but “belonging to a man” is.Because a lot of men respect other men but not women, and essentially see women as property.
No. 2562125
>>2561955>Wish this actually worked but ime it doesn'tRight? Blog but the reaction I get has always been one of these two
>No you don't lol you're lying! If you have a man why aren't you married? Show us 100 pictures of him and you together or it doesn't count>Oh wow, sorry! …but are you SURE you aren't interested in going out with me>>2562117>>2561901>>2561943Men are subhuman, literally like flies buzzing around whichever poor woman they've fixated on. Stuff like this is proof they don't see us like actual, multi-dimensional humans. They assign waifu or porn archetypes to us and then think it gives them the right to treat us like emotional punching bags. I hate them all so much.
No. 2562212
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Bus driver dresses as schoolgirl, calls bus "the lolita line"
No. 2562213
>>2562212Any kid who gets on that bus is
not coming home.
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Cocks in frocks bullying an animal welfare charity that didn't bow down to them.
No. 2562573
>>2562568Sometimes hypocrisy is the only way we can get through life.
And sometimes its like from your perspective you know how its not hypocrisy but no one else ever when, its that but flipped presumably.
No. 2562592
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Tifs are such disgusting pickmes, holy fucking shit.
No. 2562606
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The Pissed Off Lawyer is detransitioning. She was comparing JKR to Andrew Tate just a few months ago on her twitter, but her bio now says "LGB Rights Activist."
No. 2562638
>>2562592Kek
>strangers avoid a pale, sickly, dangerhaired, obviously mentally ill woman >"men really have it so hard!"Is the perfect female-socialization analogue to:
>strangers fake smile at an MTF and treat him kindly so he doesn't chip out at them>"women live life on tutorial mode!"Notice how TIFs always end up pitying and caping for men MORE as a result of their transition, whereas MTFs only grow in resentment and hatred of women.
No. 2562698
>>2562584No I mean it doesn't even work to HAVE a boyfriend, moids will pursue you even if they're literally friends with your boyfriend. It doesn't matter if you talk about him a lot or even if he's physically around all the time when you interact with the moid, if a moid wants to harass you he will do so anyway. When I got stalked it was by a moid in my class who saw me sit with my boyfriend every day in class, and who was supposedly 'on good terms' with my boyfriend kek. But he still harassed me for years, followed me home, sent me long letters about how my bf isn't 'the one for me' and he is, how I was 'leading him on' and 'being deceptive' by just existing (even though I didn't even talk to him), etc. Deranged moids are just like that so I don't really change my behavior for moids since it never makes a difference anyway.
>>2562592>Moids don't have 'camaraderie' and 'sense of mutual kinship' with a weird woman larping as a man>Moids probably feel uncomfortable saying the things around her that they would say around their moid friends >Omg this must be soo hard for moids to grow up with this lack of acceptance and loneliness, this is soo tragic for moids>>2562606>I made the choice it was totally just me I'm not angry>The affirmation model did this, they should have gatekept and saved me from myselfSo which is it?
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>>2562606I really wish I could say that I'm happy for her but she's such a dead eyed scummy opportunist. The winds of public opinion begin to shift and suddenly she's all about rational discussion? This is the opposite of an act of bravery, she was actively encouraging some of us to pop pills and self-mutilate while we were going through hell trying to just exist as freaks back when the getting was good.
Whatever, I look forward to her being welcomed as the prodigal daughter in spite of everything she's ever said and done just because getting her on side represents a win. What a hero.
No. 2562808
>>2562592So she's never seen teenage boys interact? Of course they experience friendship and camaraderie growing up kek. She's coping hard
>>2562667KEK
>>2560790Gender ideology as we know it now was born in the US and it contaminated European countries first, but it's slowly getting to other countries/cultures as well. Not much to do with race but rather how "woke" a community/city/country is. Quite a lot of cultures already accept trannies as long as they're flamboyant gay men who try to pass. AGPs acting out their fetish in public and society accepting it (even encouraging it) is a pretty recent development.
No. 2563031
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libfems so confidently type essays on "deboonking" radical feminism and reveal they know absolutely nothing about it. love the wrap around to pedophilia in the end there
No. 2563052
>>2563031>an enforced gender binaryno one needs to 'enforce' reality
>i don't think the world will be transformed by separate bathrooms and rigidly enforced sports scholarshipsthe feminists who fought for the right to women's public bathrooms and Title IX/other sports equality laws, plus all the women who benefited from them, stopped being hobbled by the urinary leash and were able to go out in public, work, go to university, etc. with more ease, not to mention all the women who got a head start in life due to sports performance and sports scholarships, would probably all beg to differ
not sure why she starts talking about pedos at the end there kek
No. 2563075
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>>2562606>She was comparing JKR to Andrew Tate just a few months ago on her twitterWas she? If so, JKR is way nicer than she needs to be (picrel). Something feels off because the TIF was loudly pro-troon so recently, and now she's making a public announcement, separating the T from the LGB, and sending heart emojis to JKR all at once? Looks like identity issues like anon was saying
>>2562650 and she's probably the type to re-transition at some point.
>>2563052>the feminists who fought for the right to women's public bathrooms and Title IX/other sports equality laws, plus all the women who benefited from them, would probably all beg to differExactly, it
has already changed the world and it's been the norm for a long time, what kind of transformation is she expecting now? She's the one who wants to go back on women's rights. Not sure if she's being retarded or manipulative. But yeah it's hilarious how even TRAs associate trannies with pedophiles kek, they know.
>>2562669Not OP but thanks anon. This is it
No. 2563090
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another thing that keeps me peaked is that you don't really see ex-terfs, and that
terf 'ideology' is pretty tough to argue against from my experience. unless they purposely skew rf talking points they can't really win. tras have to actively scare and shame people away from it kek. see
https://www.tumblr.com/cinnayanny/784022323317653504/delete-your-reblog No. 2563106
>>2563075She probably just unironically doesn't realize how horrible life was for women before we even had public bathrooms and how hard some of her forebears worked to get her access to those things. She probably doesn't realize how much she benefits from that feminist activism on a daily basis. It's always people with the least understanding of feminist history who somehow want to preach to actual feminists about how 'evil' they are kek.
>>2563083Most white males have at least some lip kek, I've never seen someone with no lips like that
No. 2563108
>>2563090Anyone could take a list of isolated beliefs and word them to make them sound absurd but in this case I can't even figure out what the original radfem beliefs are from this list. They're just entirely invented, like one person used the n-word once while also rejecting gender ideology and bam, all radfems do this.
>>2563098Is it considered "woke" to do that, like is it encouraged openly? Or is it just "allies" not knowing their place, trying to be part of the scene and destroying it in the process?
No. 2563244
>>2563075>Something feels off because the TIF was loudly pro-troon so recently, and now she's making a public announcement, separating the T from the LGB, and sending heart emojis to JKR all at once?That's just peaking, in my experience. Once the illusion shatters, it's gone and suddenly all the thousands of little puzzle pieces fall into place and they see the whole picture. They usually have all the little pieces but couldn't make sense of them, like how they've met transbians and they felt uncomfortable but ignored it. Then they hear about AGP bit dismiss it as fake news. Then something happens that clicks in their brains and they go "OH that transbian IS an AGP man who rapes lesbians because he's a straight man… wait they were all AGP and none of them were ever real women".
Though there's usually residue to work through for at least a year - most detransitioners seemingly decide to keep their troon name out of convenience, but later usually do still change their name back when they realize they don't want any ties to their troon persona anymore.
No. 2563311
>>2563094They exist, but they're very rare and probably same shade of bippie, retard, or liar. The more pressing issue is women peaking
too hard and falling in with rightoids, like Meghan Murphy did. But I think those women probably weren't radfems to begin with and that's why they ended up on that pipeline. To steal a phrase from Jesse Singal, I think it's possible to "overdose on gender" and make it too central to your political identity. If your beliefs are genuinely grounded in improving conditions for women and being gender critical is just an outcropping of that, you aren't as liable to be manipulated by the right. But if you're a single-issue voter and troonshit prompted you to support a rapist who helped kill Roe v. Wade, you're a complete tard who never understood feminism to begin with.
No. 2563316
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The sight of a single LGB sticker and Reddit trannies are writing fanfiction about TERFs hiding razorblades and getting janitors deported. Their persecution fetish is so ridiculous kek
https://www.reddit.com/r/lgbt/comments/1lapz91/what_does_this_mean/ No. 2563317
>>2563311Meghan Murphy didn't 'fall in with rightoids' because she peaked too hard, it happened for other reasons many years into her career as a feminist journalist. She's also still doing some of the best feminist activism in Canada and was probably the single most important person who was doing it for decades when most people hadn't even peaked yet. It's true though that she never called herself a radfem specifically, although she worked and still works with many self-described radfems. It's funny because she used to annoy me but now people who are constantly ragging on her annoy me more, we need more people like her even if she has a few right wing friends. And it's just not true that she got them through 'peaking' or anything to do with gender at all afaik, she was attacked by a lot of other feminists and her followers and purity tested a bit too much so she got pushed into the 'heterodox' community and decided she preferred it. She's not a rightoid kek, she still has most standard feminist views to this day. The kind of purity testing that pushed her out of her prior community is the problem.
>>2563314I am inclined to agree with you to some extent, although I kind of 'peaked overnight.' But in my case I wasn't really a gendie/TRA before either, so maybe it doesn't count. When someone has been proselytizing for TRAs for years and parrots every single one of their points and is extremely public about it or makes it part of their career, and one day they're just like 'okay I peaked now!' it does stike me as suspicious. There have been cases before of high-profile 'GC' people (especially some moids) who then turned back into TRAs, or sometimes went back and forth several times. The sudden declaration that she's team LGB drop the T now is kind of weird, although I don't know that much about her.
No. 2563318
>>2563098I have never seen TiFs bully their way into gay male spaces as aggressively as TiMs do with lesbian ones, first because of female socialization, and second because women do not pose as material a threat to men as men do to women. What's a TiF going to do at a gay bath house? Strut up to a guy with her pussy out and get the cold shoulder, then go home and cry about it on Tumblr? Meanwhile some troons have demonstrated that they
will get belligerent and they
will resort to violence or rape threats when challenged. But they often don't have to escalate to that, because spineless libfems will bend the knee to guilt-tripping and suicide baiting alone. Now there's
no where for lesbians to congregate in real life away from males. Michfest is gone. The lesbian bars are gone or colonized. Every female-dominated hobby is colonized, if not by TiMs, than by the TiFs who cape for them.
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Just checking JN pritzker's wikipedia when I came across fucking lfj in the talk. Does anyone follow his activity on wikipedia because how is he just allowed to do shit like this?
No. 2563333
>>2563316>What does this mean? Internet searches did not helpAnd of course if you type "LGB courage coalition" the first result is literally that group's website. Trannies lie about absolutely everything just to play
victims or "innocently" test people and stir shit up. It makes them even more despicable to me, the sheer dishonesty. It's all so stupid and performative, the other retard is like "call the cops (ACAB guys of course!! but just in case)". Living like this must be so exhausting and miserable
No. 2563340
>>2563322There are articles out there about how Wikipedia has been captured by the kind of NEET trannies who have the free time to lurk there all day, suppressing any information they dislike:
https://unherd.com/newsroom/on-wikipedia-trans-activists-are-always-editing/?ushttps://lgbcouragecoalition.substack.com/p/trans-wikipedia?utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web&triedRedirect=trueAnd it doesn't stop there. They've also been known to scrub "talk" pages, so people can't see their clown-fuckery with edits.
No. 2563355
>>2563352Lmao the logical leap of
>Sticker hurts my feelings>It's gotta be violence somehow, so we're going to write fanfic about how there are razor blades under the sticker>What if a janitor tries to remove the razor-sticker we've dreamed up?>Well, he's a janitor, so he must be an illegal immigrant>Somehow he gets blamed for the sticker and is deported, or somethingAmazing
No. 2563512
>>2563314I think it's more common for it to happen "overnight" than not. It's more rare to see someone slowly walk back on their views in reverse over years. One common thing that happens is that when they finally do something transphobic and out of line their intolerant peers immediately shun them. They still hold 99% of the "right" views so they're shocked and hurt that saying something mild like "maybe kids shouldn't get hormones until we know it's safe" turned their whole friend group against them. They get called
terf, nazis, transphobes and bigots. It sets them off to question everything, and the only people who will discuss the points honestly and adress those concerns are peaked people who use logic, reason, and proof of why troonism is harmful and they finally end up reading it all and getting it at last. It's like a thread you keep pulling, the whole thing unravels at once.
No. 2563587
>>2563512It's very easy to shut up and not question the ideology when you know you will be ostracised for doing so. So it's probably less likely that people peak overnight but that they suppress all of their doubts and try not to think about them in depth until it becomes too much. Then as you said, once you pull the thread the whole thing unravels. They suddenly think back to the insecure teenage girl they went to school with who insisted she was a boy and needed top surgery, but was probably just autistic and uncomfortable with puberty. Or they remember hearing a man in a dress prattle on about how the feminine experience and girl/womanhood are all about makeup and shoes and how that didn't sit right with them at the time. They think about JKR and how they've been told online that she's an evil
TERF and a nazi but they don't know what she actually did. Maybe they were too polite to say anything in those situations, or they genuinely didn't question it because they didn't think about it too hard. Gender ideology maintaining popularity in the mainstream really relies on the idea of normies simply not thinking about it very much. Their ideology has so little consistency or logic so it's really easy to pull apart if you think about it for more than ten seconds.
What peaks a lot of people is either firsthand experience of being shunned and accused of bigotry for perfectly harmless questioning, or watching it happen to someone else. Even when someone is coming from a place of genuine progressivism it happens and that's when people start intentionally pulling at the thread. For example asking something like "doesn't transitioning enforce harmful gender stereotypes?" will get you branded as a MAGA supporter and a nazi even though those groups are all about enforcing gender stereotypes and doesn't regard them as harmful in the slightest. Once you see pushback from TRAs you can either tie yourself in knots trying to appease them to no avail, or you can start seriously questioning what they're even on about and if any of it even makes sense. Spoiler: you come up with nothing because none of it does.
No. 2563610
>>2563587True facts.
When I was in college I joined a transgender student club, because I wanted to be supportive of my trans friends, and one of the first things that caused me to peak was when my friend started saying "trans women need free surgeries in order to pass because some of them get married to men who would literally kill them if they knew they were with a trans woman!" My response was "…wait, why would you get married to someone who would literally kill you if they knew that you were keeping this very big secret from them?" and nobody had a good answer for me.
Other things that happened that year that caused me to peak:
>this guy who'd previously acted creepy and threatening toward me got released from jail, showed up to the club as a TIM, and told me that he'd only acted hostile to me because he'd been struggling with his gender at the time. A few months later he died in his 20s from a blood clot caused by taking estrogen without a prescription. My TIM friend said "This is why doctors should prescribe estrogen for free. Transphobia killed her.">the club attended a trans day of remembrance event where this ugly old AGP guy talked about how trans women don't owe you passing and femininity but also he gets raped and fetishized everywhere he goes>my TIM friend stated taking estrogen and experienced pain in his chest. He told me he was gonna go to a doctor, but not tell them he was taking estrogen, because transphobia. I was like "…wait, you're seeing a doctor for a medical problem and you're not going to be upfront about your medical history?" Again, he had no good answer for me.Being around trannies really is the quickest way to peak.
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>find a smart leftist
>they hate terfs
this keeps happening and it makes me feel bad. i'll never unpeak but i always wonder if there's some aspect of troonism that i genuinely don't understand which explains it all
No. 2563895
>>2563769I think being an atheist and having to deal with religious people prepared me to be a
terf. Both them and TRA have people who are generally smart and logical but who have this one issue they're just blindly believing in for no reason and they refuse to even look at it logically for even a second out of fear. Troonism is a religious belief at the core.
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i mean, yeah? i'm pretty sure men do go to great lengths and suffer great personal detriment to do stupid shit or harm women. i doubt any teacher or priest for example just took advantage of a child or woman randomly, they were actively working up to that for years
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>>2563982>Do you really think I would take drugs, grow my hair out, and wear makeup just to fulfill a misogyny fetish?!?!?!?!?!yes.
No. 2564090
>>2563982This isn’t directly related to what he said in his reply but I can’t stop thinking about what a massive advantage he must have had against those women.
Bought my bf a longsword for his birthday for fun and when we were fucking around with it, both of us having zero experience, I was struggling just to hold it upright while my bf could move it around and swing it like it was nothing.
The difference in our upper body strengths and the length of our arms etc was just so obvious. I can’t imagine if I did that for a hobby and had to compete against a moid, there’s no way
No. 2564456
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>join discord for popular video game
>trannies
>join subreddit for tiny indie game
>trannies
>go to an incredibly obscure pervert thread on the internet hate machine
>trannies
>go outside in my deep red state. lock keys in car, call locksmith
>the one who comes to help, it's a fucking tif
>go to a thrift store
>tim
>go to a ice cream parlor
>fucking troon male with a they/them sticker (all troons mentioned have been white so far, of course)
>want to read fic. go to ao3. filter out troonshit. filter out all variations of troonshit i can think of. click on fic
>untagged poontang shit
>try to engage in hobby i've engaged in for literal decades
>everyone and everything is about how trans you are
>see post talking about lesbian history
>check comments
>nothing but white men somehow inserting themselves into it
>link up with girlie i haven't talked to in a while
>everything normal until music comes up
>she links me a fucking ethel cain track
>can't throw a goddamn stone anymore without hitting a tranny
FUERA
No. 2564476
>>2564456I'm right there with you, anon. It feels like they're fucking everywhere. There are
seven where I work (a small business with like fifty employees). Three of my brother's IRL friends have trooned. Five of mine have. Troons have infested every nerdy fandom I've been in, filling it with titchop art and straight fanfic in m/m tags. I started watching a normie sport just to get away from the troonshit. Every self-described "gay" or "lesbian" person on social media is either a troon or someone who fucks the opposite sex. People call me an egg because I'm GNC. It's fucking exhausting, a death by a thousand cuts. I envy anons who live in countries where this crap hasn't taken over yet.
No. 2564551
>>2564456I feel you anon.
>my family members>TIM cousin >my workplace>a TIM, a TIF, and a theyfab>my hobby group>multiple TIFs, poly handmaidens dating TIMs and calling themselves queer>my friend from out of town visiting >for a transgenderism charity concert >my husbando>TIF fanart and fanfiction with pussy and tit chop scars>hanging out with friends>they bring up “JKR bad” totally out of the blueFuck this gay earth.
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Just found out my male ex trooned out!
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>>2563915>>2563928You're both correct. Backwards post-hoc rationalization of irrational or incorrect views has been shown in numerous studies to actually be associated with higher education and/or higher cognitive function/IQ, up to a point of course (it's not a perfect correlation). Idk what nona meant by 'smart' leftists but if she meant generally intelligent or highly educated, it is not at all surprising that they would be able to rationalize pro-troon views despite the lack of logic behind them. It's actually more common for less educated or less intelligent people to fall back on 'simple common sense' instead of tying themselves in loops mentally. Add to that the fact that leftists have a much 'tighter' range of acceptable views (see picrel) and you have most leftists, including the smart ones, trying very hard to stay within the acceptable range of leftist views, which unfortunately does not include radfem or GC views at current.
>I suspect that on average more left leaning people are also far more socialized and subject to social pressure though I admit I have had little contact with religious conservatives who probably have similar social dynamics.As someone who's known a lot of leftists but also quite a few conservatives and 'centrist' liberals, I wouldn't say leftists are on average more socialized, but I think they're more likely to be 'oversocialized.' Oversocialization leads to fear of thinking independently or even an inability to think independently, which is common in tightly knit groups of people who see themselves as marginalized or attacked by mainstream society (in my experience, young leftists often feel this way even if it isn't entirely true). The young leftists I have known were much more likely to dress and speak the same as each other, live close together in the same neighborhoods even if they had cheaper or better options elsewhere, and rely on each other more for social and financial support, which makes sense when you consider that personality tests consistently find more conservative people tend to be more individualist while left-leaning people tend to be more collectivist. Conservatives or centrists, especially among younger people, are also in my experience less likely to actually talk about politics in social settings, so political positions are less central to their world view or social bonds. I've had conservative-identifying friends who I knew for literally years without ever realizing they had conservative political positions, since they rarely/never brought up anything political in our discussions and were happy to agree with many liberal positions people had in group conversations. I don't think I've ever met a leftist who I didn't almost immediately know was a leftist. I think this leads to young leftist people feeling more pressured to agree with every single one of their friends' views.
No. 2564567
>>2563982>get a little metal circlethat would have meant a lot to an actual woman passionate about the sport. he admits he doesn't even care, just stealing opportunities for fun. TTD when
>>2563989>talking about gender ideology online is retarded>in the gender hate threadkek. just go back
>>2564503>They think that covering the retarded extra stripes on the "progress" flag is racism because the black and brown parts represent race.are all logos and flags out there assumed to be for white supremacists only until some brown lines are added? what's even the logic here. the original rainbow flag is still widely used, not only by gc people
No. 2564719
>>2564533>To not know you can be GNC without being a theyby these people would have to just never look around at any of the people they encounter.IMO a lot of trans-identified people have very poor theory of mind and see most other people as nothing more than NPCs. For some it’s autism, but I have a theory that poor TOM/not seeing others as full humans with complex inner lives is far more common in the general population than most people are willing to acknowledge, it’s just that non-autistic people are better at socially compensating for it so it’s not immediately obvious.
Many people project images of what they think someone else is onto that person and will stick to that image no matter what, even getting annoyed when the person they’re projecting onto does something that contradicts that image. Men do this all the time with misogynistic archetypes of women (Karen, vapid bimbo, basic bitch, kinky goth girl, invisible old lady) but women do it too, just without the fetish element. TIP project the image of “cis” onto anyone they see as a normie so even if that person is actually gnc in many ways, that doesn’t register. Even if a (to name an example from my own life) middle aged woman has very short hair, hasn’t worn a skirt in 40 years, is very assertive and blunt, works in a male-dominated field, has several male-dominated hobbies and never shaves, they don’t see her as a fellow genderperson but as a frumpy rude Karen who doesn’t know her place. Even if this woman tries to commiserate with them about being gnc in a sexist society they simply write her off as someone who will never understand them because THEY have complex genderfeels and SHE is just a cis Karen, so what does she know? If she dyed her hair blue and called herself queer they’d embrace her as one of their own but as long as she doesn’t present herself as part of their tribe they’ll impose the “basic cishet” label on her whether it fits her or not. If something is incongruous with their predetermined worldview they don’t alter their worldview, they just refuse to see it.
No. 2564854
>>2558021>>2559786Ooh they have crafting and gardening circles! Did ovarit have those? I could never be assed to request an invite so I could only see the public stuff.
Anons 2025 is the year I want to put myself out there and make gc friends. If they open applications via email like ovarit had, should I mention lc or not? My only online gc activity is making posts on here kek (some of which actually got copied over verbatim to ovarit and r/gc back in the day, which was both flattering and kind of annoying because obviously they didn’t credit as an anon). I often got the impression that plenty of farmers were on ovarit but there was this unspoken rule not to mention lc.
Or would it be better to make a gc tumblr and see if I can get an invite that way?
No. 2564921
>>256489620% chance of extremely early onset osteoporosis for a completely medically unnecessary procedure is still huge!
Data on puberty blockers for gendershit is scarce/being actively suppressed, but you might have more luck looking into use of puberty blockers for precocious puberty. Girls with precocious puberty often take pb’s for a shorter duration than transhausen by proxy kids but the resultant side effects are still considered a severe enough risk that there’s an active debate on whether it’s even worth it or not, despite precocious puberty actually having negative medical and emotional consequences.
No. 2564940
>>2564936I've read that but I'm still scared lmao
Partly I know that Nintendo won't listen to fan demands but idk man nonna, I'm gonna sound super corny now but the zelda series just brought me so much joy and means quuit a bit to me that I do not want it get tainted like that, you know kek
No. 2564998
This is a breath of fresh air during these gender nonsense times. She's discussing about how the feminist, gay, and lesbian movement is now being replaced by queer theory.
She also mentions how ridiculous it is that femininity is currently a jargon, and nothing is labeled correctly anymore
No. 2565112
>>2564998It's so aggravating that TRAs think that no gay or non-white person could ever oppose their ideology. If you look at the comments on the reddit post
>>2563316 linked to, it's full of troons and spicy straights saying that LGB Courage Coalition is actually run by a bunch of straight conservatives, that no real "kweer" person would want to form or participate in a group like that.
No. 2565241
>>2563825>I’m of the opinion that the biggest current issue with the left is our penchant for virtue signaling, subsequent narcissism, and rigidity in accepted valuesThis. It's the modern version of the People's Front of Judea vs the Judean People's Front, complete with Loretta.
Politics has been a joke for years, but it's really something when a lunatic like Trump is actively screwing over everything he touches and they respond to this by making callout posts for politicians who are technically on their side but don't appease them enough.
Blog but a TIF cow I follow spent months raging against Kamala for being complicit in genocide, shitting on her for not helping XYZ causes enough, being Biden's bitch, being frumpy and cringe, being ugly, and everything else she could think of. She went offline for weeks after Trump won the election and was horrified that a third party candidate hadn't been voted in, then started spamming posts from communist LARPeers saying that America needs to learn from Russia and bring its leaders to justice.
It's all performative, because they don't expect or understand consequences. Nothing matters more than words until suddenly real life rears its ugly head, and then they didn't mean it and want to go back to the days when consequences happened to other people.
>>2564896Your friend doesn't understand numbers. Instead of saying 20%, say 1/5. It sounds bigger despite being the same fucking thing. Also, that's not something that happens early in life under normal circumstances, and if puberty blockers speed up the onset of osteoporosis by decades it's a really big deal. It's only 'meh' to someone who doesn't think they'll ever be like the other old people and who thinks that 25 is geriatric.
No. 2565578
>>2564719AYRT. I think it's as good an explanation as any, and honestly I do feel like a lot of people operate more or less like NPCs, so it isn't surprising if they project that NPC-like quality on others.
>Many people project images of what they think someone else is onto that person and will stick to that image no matter what, even getting annoyed when the persoI've witnessed this as well. Gendies especially will start grilling you on why you don't have neopronouns or why you don't 'present' as genderqueer if they perceive you as having masculine qualities, as well as the opposite, where they read people who call themselves nonbinary or dress/look like they have a gender as more GNC than they actually are. The Karen thing has always functioned as an excuse for a lot of people to shit on older women who don't give a shit about male standards of beauty and femininity, but you make a good point that if the Karen in question dyed her hair blue or something they would probably start seeing her as a cool and based 'LGBT elder' or something. I find it hard to relate to because I have always cared more about how people act than how they look/dress, so it's hard to imagine that someone would not even notice the GNC behavior of the people around them as long as that person dressed 'normal' and didn't use neopronouns.
>>2564769This is true of TIMs but I'm not sure if it's true of TIFs. A lot of TIFs continue to hang out mostly with women, so I think they do see women as people.
No. 2565634
>>2564857Most people aren't malicious in their core motivations, that doesn't excuse their actions. These 'non-malicious' people are perfectly happy to throw women under the bus, sic mobs on them that send them rape and death threats, stalk them, make them lose their jobs or get kicked out of school, all because 'the female wasn't being nice enough to the special males.'
>>2564896The likelihood is almost 100% that they suffer at least some of those side effects. 20% for a single serious side effect like osteoporosis in your teens/twenties (previously practically unheard-of) is very high anyway, but even if they don't get osteoporosis, they will suffer other physical and cognitive issues with almost 100% certainty, since the actual process of going through puberty at the correct time is critical to both your mental and physical development.
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>>2564854I'm currently a level 5 username vexxed and they need one to be level 10 to generate invite codes. However, even when I reach level 10 I won't be sharing invite codes publicly since my user standing will suffer if trolls join through my code, I will only share them privately. So if you go ahead on making a gc tumblr, I could send you an invite code there through a message.
No. 2565847
>>2563769Misogyny is the big no-no oppression nobody's allowed to talk about deeply or acknowledge aside from basic voting rights, pay gaps, and violence. They can maybe grasp a concept or another and be capable of understanding why trans"misogyny" happens to the point of crying and whining when a gay man transitions to get with a straight man and gets killed by homophobia, but can't quite understand why women are most likely to get killed by their partners. Moreover, just shave off half the population and specifically males from empathizing easily with misogyny much less sexualization. It's just oppression that's supposed to and allowed to exist. I think other anons are far more well read than me but that's the general feeling I get.
To put it more succinctly: leftists can have a little misogyny, as a treat. A little chauvinism is just owed to men. Right wingers are worse after all.
No. 2565880
>>2564642It's not stupid to believe in something that you've been told by teachers, parents and politics since childhood. Now, if you're a grown adult, and you've been presented with counterarguments, statistics about how "gender care" does not work, and pro-troon laws that effectively reduce women's rights, and you still refuse to at least
nuance your position, then it starts getting stupid or malicious, sorry to say. I understand sunk cost fallacy and peer pressure can also play a role. But how long do we have to be the bigger person while they're calling us nazis and forcing their religious beliefs on us? Even when it comes to christians (since you were making a parallel with religion), many (most) have a modern lifestyle and don't live as described in the Bible, so I don't see why the ~be kind~ crowd should be excused for being absolutely unable to make compromises. They can keep the pronouns, lingo and plastic surgery if they don't vote against sex-based rights and in favor of children's "consent" when it comes to hormones, sterilisation and genital mutilation.
No. 2565908
I love how AGP TIMs are in such big denial about autogynephilia being a thing despite it being their whole entire reason for transitionin.
Linkrel is an article by HSTS Kat Blaque: (
https://blaqueinthecity.com/2025/04/11/understanding-sam-rockwells-white-lotus-monologue) about the "deeper" meaning of the "I want to be an Asian girl" scene from the
White Lotus, I'd suggest you read it for yourself to see how it's full of denialism about AGPness… while
describing AGPness word by word.
TL;DR:
>Just a disclaimer, I do not like the term "autogynephilia" because it's used by transphobes to dismiss transwomen>But>I've met tons of straight men who are into crossdrsssing>Tells the reader that most male crossdressers are heterosexual>And are often not gay>Says that they're often misogynists who think modeeerrnnn women are too "masculine" (the horror!) and since they can't find their perfect bimbo GF they become the GF>Literally admits that these scrotes associate "women things" with women, thus humiliation>Literally says that AGPs self-inflicted sexual degradation is how they see women IRL>Literally mentions skinwalking behavior of TIM husband's stealing their wives' clothing to have sex with men>"B-but despite meeting so many of these AGP is not real! It definitely isn't! Even though I literally just described textbook cases of them… it's still not real!" No. 2565909
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Kek trannies are so hypocritical. So many of them have been saying that this ogre is a grifter and is doing it to make TW look bad. But in the same breath they’ll say that every tranny is valid.
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feminists 10 years ago:
>all this pushing of unnecessary and harmful beauty practices on women needs to stop!
feminists now:
>feminism is about choice so whatever you choose to do is valid! and since c1s (ewww yucky) people keep modifying their bodies to fit in the beauty standard then we should all be fine with trans folx doing it too!
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Just call yourself misogynist-fluid at this point.
No. 2566194
>>2565706>I just don't really care about the 'they aren't malicious' excuse anymore.It's not an excuse, it's an explanation. If you want to debate an ideology, it helps to know the thought process of its proponents.
>They've had plenty of time to look it upOn what? Wikipedia? Google? They're not going to get honest answers in those places. Trying to Google anything GC gives you a retarded AI spiel about how "that's wrong uwu." As many anons have said before, one of the quickest ways to peak is knowing a troon personally.
No. 2566269
>>2566182Nta NGL I don't get why TRAs act like mtfs and women need to have the same rights. I learnt that American health insurance doesn't cover prostate cancer for trannies "because they're women now" and so they don't get the same health care rights as moids. But instead of focusing on actual life or death scenarios, TRAs focus on "won't someone think of the rapists?" E.g.
>"Lesbians won't fuck trannies! Transphobia! Genital fetishists! TERFS!"And now even in Australia lesbians can't even have single-sex meetups.
>"Women won't allow trannies into their prisons!! Bigots!!"Even though the ones that do get sent to women's prisons rape the women there.
>"Women won't allow trannies into their female changing rooms!! Bigots, terfs, just tell your daughter not to look! etc"And these moids do actually expose themselves to young women because these trannies are flashers.
TRAs are their own worst enemies. They cape for rapists invading women's right to privacy while letting the normier mtfs die of prostate cancer. Why do they do that?
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I actually saw tra's making fun of this person but I think she has a point, this would explain about 90% of gamer agp's
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I've been gender critical for almost around 8-10 years now and I feel like gender ideology is getting less and less popular. Openly making fun of troons is common on normie social media. I just hope that ""terf"" talking points go mainstream in progressive spaces. I'm worried that troons will play victim and try to regain power during the American midterm elections and after Trump leaves office.
What is everyone's thoughts on the realistic future for troonism? I don't think it will ever die out completely. My prediction is that the health consequences of testosterone abuse will become huge normie public discourse in the near future. Maybe from another study or something. Testosterone abuse in pregnant women not only affects the fetish but can affect grandchildren as well. It would be very hard for normies or trans rights people to ignore testosterone as a teratogen if conservatives and gender critical people constantly talk about it. I can see controversy around T as a huge blow to the number of TIFs and younger transitioners. Transgenderism will probably be less popular among Gen Alpha. It would be hilarious if there's a tread of teenager girls making fun of TIMs.
No. 2566357
>>2566163I wonder what there explanation is for tomboy who either hate or are apathetic to stuff like makeup and shaving?
I've never done either, and yet I'm not gonna sperg about needing it to be "affrimed".
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is it possible to extricate leftism or progressive mindsets from gender/troons? i get that radical feminists can and do, but is it possible for a wider audience?
No. 2566448
>>2566125She didn't kek
>>2566148Feminists 10 years ago were choice feminists too. Choice feminism has been the default since at least 2000, but honestly probably since
the 1980s.
>>2566194I've known the ideology of the proponents for at least 15, maybe 20 years, and I know 'they aren't malicious' is not really true. At the very least, it's not an explanation of their behavior. I also don't give a shit. That's what I'm saying. At the point where you're splitting hairs between whether it is 'deliberately malicious' or just 'evil, but not in a malicious way' what are you doing and why are you wasting your time to excuse someone else's evil? Will it help you argue with them better? No. Will it make them stop? No. They know what they're doing, they just don't care. I bet you wouldn't have this kind of energy for a 'non-malicious' white supremacist or a 'non-malicious' non-TRA misogynist who was just saying 'innocently' that women shouldn't be allowed to have sports or have women only rape shelters or maybe that women shouldn't be legally recognized at all.
>On what? Wikipedia?No.
>Google? Yes. And twitter, google scholar, youtube, so on and so forth. Even the New York Times has written about the harms of puberty blockers, MULTIPLE times. If someone is aware of the issue/debate, they've had access to the counterarguments. They've probably seen what JKR has said, they've probably heard your personal arguments if you're arguing with them, they've seen this brought up on TV, they've seen it debated on twitter. Someone doesn't become a TRA in a vacuum.
>AI spiel People who use the AI assistant on google are too stupid to bother talking to.
>knowing a troon personallyEvery TRA I've ever met has known multiple troons personally, that's why they're TRAs.
No. 2566450
>>2566309Not a solution exactly but an improvement would be to have female protagonists look like realistic, practically dressed women and not porny caricatures with their boobs and ass out for no reason. Moids were raging about Aloy and Kassandra because even though these would both be considered attractive women in real life, they looked like realistic women and not fanservicey sex dolls like Lara Croft and Quiet.
>>2566316Skyrim too. So many naked anime catgirls with breasts as big as their heads that look completely ridiculous in the context of the game (and in general) but moids don’t care as long as they can coom to it. I bet they’ve made them for the Oblivion remaster, too.
>>2566357Their explanation is that tomboys are transmasc “eggs”, not women.
No. 2566476
>>2566293Like yourself, I don't think gender ideology is ever truly going away. More likely it will get quietly sorted away into the background and de-emphasized, never quite renounced and all the excesses will be blamed on a handful of extremists. Gender ideology will likely be a rough equivalent to the domestic terrorists, cultists and rioters of the sixties: most of its most militant supporters will shortly reemerge as 'moderates'. The worst excesses that they encouraged will be blamed on the audiences they themselves built, you can already see this happening with some of them.
If there is any one thing that will push gender ideology out of the mainstream for a very long time, I think it will be the medical harms caused by it. Time will tell just how extensive the damage will be and how successful TRAs will continue to be at shutting up its
victims. In countries like the United States where individual states have higher levels of autonomy I suspect that gender ideology will be rampant in a handful of enclaves but will be largely derided or even banned in most of the country.
>>2566363I think it depends on how broadly you want to define leftism and progressivism, broadly speaking as a semifunctional alliance of various aggrieved groups it will probably never be possible to fully remove the gendies from the umbrella. We've lived through over a decade of private sector trade unions and radical feminists being reframed as far-right by certain commentators in spite of those two interest groups being some of the most foundational to modern leftism. Current day progressivism in North America is probably inseparable from gender ideology, moving definitively away from it would likely require some kind of official schism.
>>2566448>Every TRA I've ever met has known multiple troons personally, that's why they're TRAs.Kek, NTA but for me it was the exact opposite. I was a supporter up until the point I got to know some of them.
No. 2566518
>>2566476>Kek, NTA but for me it was the exact opposite. I was a supporter up until the point I got to know some of them.I know this definitely happens sometimes, in social milieus or regions where there aren't that many troons, and for some people just knowing troons personally is enough to realize they are mentally ill. But in my experience people who had never met a troon weren't full-blown TRAs, they were mostly just kind of 'live and let live' about it while not understanding the issues, whereas the actual TRAs I knew were in friend groups with troons and knew them personally which is why they were so fired up about the whole issue. I also live in a place where there's tons of troons so in order not to know or meet any you have to be pretty sheltered in some way. When arguing with total normies with the 'live and let live' attitude I usually just assume they don't know much and are generally well-meaning, but with TRAs it's a fairly safe assumption to make that they have heard many of the counterarguments, are familiar with the controversies, and probably know troons personally. Every TRA I meet has had plenty of time to learn why people don't support trans "rights" and they are just misogynistic enough not to care about it.
>The worst excesses that they encouraged will be blamed on the audiences they themselves built, you can already see this happening with some of them.Who are you referring to here?
No. 2566551
>>2564998Holyshit, she's fantastic. She is 100 percent right where "Why cant a man just like feminine things and still be a man?" Words have replaced words and people cant define what is a woman without someone saying 'transphobe!"
It's how we have terms like vagina having, birth giving person and mensuration products for all persons. I dont have a tiktok, but I appreciate what she says to say.
You also noticed people who openly call themselves queer are ALWAYS spicy straights?
No. 2566662
>>2566551>You also noticed people who openly call themselves queer are ALWAYS spicy straights?Yeah, or maybe some gay people who are young enough to use the most woke wording (or are just desperate to be cool and fit in). But when I hear someone call themselves queer, all I hear is
>I'm not same sex attracted and don't want to admit that but I still want to be grouped in with themThey go out of their way to avoid explicit, meaningful labels because those labels don't apply to them and they know it.
No. 2566681
>>2566293I think the movement will only dwindle in 20 years, when the consequences of taking hormones start affecting older trannies. I will stay in my krypto bubble in the meantime, and while I feel bad for the kids that will become
victims of the movement in the meantime, I'll happily dance in the graves of the TIMs that died for a retarded fetish. Realistically I would be shunned if I dated express my views, so I'll let time prove me right
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There it is.
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No. 2566732
>>2566301This is pretty much what happened with the recovered memory movement; it went out with a whimper, not a bang, with the sociopaths who created and profited off of it quietly abandoning the ideology as the work of detractors like Elizabeth Loftus became mainstream. Thing is, trans shit is
so much more profitable for pharma companies than recovered memory was, and you have oligarchs like the Pritzkers pouring money into TRA "activism." The fact that there's money to be made here means that the craze will probably die down slower than recovered memory. I'd say it'll take another ten or fifteen years, when the big wave of butchered kids hit their mid 20s, for the gender craze to be widely accepted as bad on the same level that recovered memory and lobotomy are today.
No. 2566741
>>2566691Being gay doesn't require lifelong medical intervention and perpetual social kabuki around your personal identity the way trans identity does. It is physically impossible to be "ex-gay," or "ex-straight," for that matter– those people are simply bisexuals mislabeling themselves. Sexual orientation is not an identity that requires any work, it's just who you're attracted to. Not only does trans identity involve investing a lot of energy into "presentation," medical transition, name changes, etc., but it's also a fool's errand, because a person's sex cannot be changed. I'd argue that detransitioners are more like "ex-gays" who gave up on being "ex-gay" because they realized that changing your sexuality is, like changing your sex, impossible.
No. 2566742
>>2566662I had a brief phase of putting 'queer' on dating websites because it was the era of everyone clowning on fake bisexuals and saying every bi woman is just a straight woman who doesn't want to admit to it, and I was looking to meet mostly women on OLD. Then I learned my lesson and changed it back about 6 months later because almost every woman I met who also identified as 'queer' was actually a straight (and in many cases homophobic) woman looking for cool cred. But in certain circles everyone including gay people use the word 'queer' and are literally allergic to the word gay. I had a friend who went to some historical event honoring the first openly gay black jazz musician and the speaker called him 'queer' the whole time, my friend asked the speaker 'why are you calling him queer when that was considered a slur back when he was alive and he never would have self-identified that way?' and the speaker implied my friend was a bigot and said 'queer is the more accurate and inclusive term because it honors all queer people so it doesn't matter that he didn't identify that way and I'm really wondering why you would ask something like this.' My suspicion is that the event called him 'queer' because you can get more money for these types of events if you use the word 'queer' than if you use the word 'gay.' I had friends in arts/academia who were told to tick 'queer' in the self-ID and genre boxes to avoid being passed over. It's an easy way to get more attention or more funding for your art, your event, etc. and it's conveniently a practically meaningless term so pretty much everyone can use it and not get called out.
>>2566697This shit is so disgusting. Now if the girl reads the comments on the video she'll most likely feel self-conscious about her haircut and what it makes people think about her. Why can't people let girls do anything?
>>2566699I agree with this. I think gender ideology is already on the downswing, there was a crazy peak of ROGD in the early 2020s and you already hear more and more stories of detransition and grooming. I don't think it will take 20 or 30 years for the general population to sour on this ideology, although there will likely be some holdouts who still believe in it.
No. 2566746
>>2566732Elizabeth Loftus herself is an evil cow who testified against Weinstein
victims and was paid a lot of money by a couple of accused pedos to convince people their kids were lying, so I don't think this is a very good example.
>>2566741Also no one actually calls themselves 'ex-gay' because they experimented with the same sex and decided they weren't attracted to them kek. This isn't even a realistic scenario that has ever happened. And if 'detrans' isn't a thing then that means 'transition' can't exist either. How can you 'transition' if you can't 'de-transition'?
No. 2566748
>>2566725This. Growing up in the 90s I remember tomboys were more preferred than girly girls. Girls toys, media and interests were seen as superfluous and stupid, tomboys and nlogs were seen as cooler. Watch any 90s teen movie and you'll see that the hyperfeminine stacies are made an object of humiliation and mocking while the nerdy nlog girl is depicted as the cool based heroine who gets picked (the nerdy male would also usually be the hero while the jocks were made to be seen as inhuman evil bullies)
The hyperfemininity fetishism only really started in the late 2000s at earliest.
No. 2566762
>>2566748In my experience tomboys weren't preferred per se, but neither were the extremely girly girls. Intensely tomboyish girls like me got clowned on or called weird quite a bit, but in most cases pretty mildly. I think the preference was for some midpoint between tomboy and girly girl, like in my middle school and high school a lot of the popular girls were jock girls who mostly wore jeans/yoga pants/sweats, sneakers and t-shirts to school and had sports as their main hobbies but they wore makeup and did their hair and didn't act especially GNC. The only girls who really put a lot of effort into makeup, fashion, wore skirts/dresses to school or had stereotypically feminine hobbies like sewing and crocheting and reading were the 'weird art girls' who also got clowned on a bit, but not that much. Now the average middle schooler I see today is wearing way more makeup and way more stereotypically feminine clothing than the weird art girls did back in 2005. I agree that in media, tomboys were usually depicted as cooler, but most of those media girls weren't excessively tomboyish, they were just on the tomboyish/nerdy side of average, like Lindsay Lohan's character in Mean Girls or Julia Stiles in 10 things I hate about you. Those movies were meant to appeal to the normal everygirl, who usually was similar to those characters.
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>>2566746Her observations about recovered memory specifically were 100% true though, and her book played a major role in ending the destructive recovered memory movement. A person doing shitty things doesn't mean that their positive contributions never happened. I can oppose her work as an expert witness while supporting her book on recovered memory. Also, doing something immoral does not make someone a cow, and if you genuinely think it does, you must be a newfag who has no idea how lolcows work or what they are.
It really can't be understated how much damage the recovered memory movement caused. The quack advise of non-scientists like Ellen Bass genuinely did irreparably destroy people (mostly women)'s lives. Most of the people "diagnosed" with repressed memory experienced more psychological problems after working with therapists who were zealous proponents of theory, in a startling parallel to gender medicine. Also similar is the way patients were isolated from their support networks, causing them to be further reliant on the "therapy." Many of these women would become paranoid, delusional, and suicidal in response to the bizarre tactics (like hypnosis and lucid dreaming) employed by these therapists, who thought that all mental illnesses were caused by childhood molestation, and would berate people for "failing" to remember the abuse they had "repressed."
No. 2566801
>>2566789She has a long history of doing very questionable things in her 'science' and it was later shown that the original kids she based her earlier recovered memory work on most likely were actually sexually abused and the memories were real memories. I agree with you that some of the 'recovered memory' movement itself was quackish and fraudulent (honestly, most psychology is), but it was a lot more complex than how she presented it and a lot of what she called 'recovered memories' were just actual trauma memories kids didn't initially report on until someone found a way to ask them about them. I'm not saying she's literally a lolcow thread candidate, I'm using 'cow' loosely here.
Memories from traumatic periods of time really can be repressed, even if many of the 'memory recovery' zealots were quacks themselves. I agree about hypnosis and lucid dreaming but Loftus's original work/claim to fame was fraudulent from the start and her getting into that work itself was, iirc, directly motivated by the offer of a large sum of money from people who did really abuse their children, in order to discredit the children's testimonies against them. I have a hard time taking her work seriously for this reason because while you're right that it probably stopped some extremely sketchy practices in therapy, it was directly motivated by the need for someone credible sounding to have a quick way to dismiss any
victim testimonies they didn't immediately report on.
No. 2566824
>>2566801> was later shown that the original kids she based her earlier recovered memory work on most likely were actually sexually abused and the memories were real memoriesLinks. From reliable sources.
>Memories from traumatic periods of time really can be repressed,There is no concrete, consistent data proving this to be the case. Repressed memories have about as much scientific support as the concept of child gender dysphoria.
>her getting into that work itself was, iirc, directly motivated by the offer of a large sum of money from people who did really abuse their children, in order to discredit the children's testimonies against them."Iirc" isn't good enough. Provide reliable citations.
Recovered memory is based entirely on quackery. It was born out of Freud's theories, many of which are garbage, and it was popularized by a "memior" called "Michelle Remembers" that was proven to be a big pile of lies the patient cooked up because she was having an affair with the therapist who wrote the book. The "textbook" used for Recovered memory therapy was "The Courage to Heal," a big pile of pseudoscience written by a pair of activists with ZERO qualifications in psychiatric medicine, psychotherapy, or any kind of behavioral science. The vast majority of cases that used recovered memories as evidence were overturned on appeal. Recovered Memory zealots back in the day used to say shit like, "children would never lie about this," and guess who else says that? The people trooning children today, some of whom were personally involved in the recovered memory craze! Legal guardrails had to be put in place because cases like the McMartin scandal revealed just how suggestible children are, and how unreliable they are as witnesses.
Today we have other ways of ascertaining when a child has been abused that don't involve retarded quackery like recovered memory.
No. 2566839
>>2566824Demanding 'reliable sources' from someone who casually disagrees with you in a lolcow conversation is weirdly aggressive, especially since you have provided no reliable sources for any of your claims either, but I'll (probably) bite, later though as I'm working now and can't go on a deepdive for you at the moment. In the meantime do you have reliable sources for what you're saying?
>There is no concrete, consistent data proving this to be the case. Regarding this, it would be difficult to have concrete, consistent scientific data 'proving' that repressed memories exist and are accurate. If you wanted to research this, how would you go about proving it? The data I have proving it is my own experience - I have experienced spontaneously remembering repressed memories from a period of time that I previously lost a big chunk of my memories from due to trauma, and I confirmed the memories were actually correct after I remembered them. I'm not sure if you're doubting that memories can be repressed, or if you're doubting that they can later be remembered, but I think what I experienced fits both of your criteria. Since I've experienced it myself, I don't need scientific studies to prove it is at least possible.
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>>2566288Here's another example of this that I feel makes more sense, mostly because OP's picrel is talking about it like a it's a sinister conspiracy. I think this is less engineered to turn men AGP, more autistic scrotes not being able to figure out "time and place" and ending up walking the road of "I love this and want to feel it all the time". I feel it also ties into the "posessing/owning a female body and making it/her do what you want" explanation of AGP mentality.
No. 2566846
>>2566843I'm not telling her to trust me, I'm saying it's basically impossible to have 'consistent and reliable scientific proof' of something that occurs in someone's head, and I am obviously not going to believe something is impossible if I have verifiably experienced it myself. It's unscientific to even make a claim like '(untestable thing) for sure can't and doesn't happen' since you can't prove a negative. I never claimed everyone who claims to have repressed memories is correct, and I agreed with her that most of the recovered memory movement was quackery, but I know that repressing and then re-gaining memories is possible.
If any of you have ever been very drunk, ask yourself, did you ever struggle to remember what happened while you were drunk, and then eventually remember it later? It's not exactly the same thing, but obviously remembering a memory you had forgotten after some time is possible.
No. 2566859
>>2566839>The data I have proving it is my own experience… Since I've experienced it myself, I don't need scientific studies to prove it is at least possible.Oh wow, anecdotes, the gold standard of scientific reliability! I'm sorry I ever questioned you, how dare I ask for sources in this discussion on a controversial, complex scientific issue.
Anyway, there's a phenomenon similar to (but different from) repressed memory that has more scientific support, and it's called dissociative amnesia. This is where someone with a tendency to dissociate begins to experience faulty memory or memory loss due in part to dissociative episodes. Thing is, people like this don't necessarily forget the traumatic incident that (in some cases) underpins their mental illness. Rather, they have memory issues across the board (working, short term, long term, etc), meaning that they struggle to remember mundane, non-traumatic things as well. Additionally, they may forget pieces of their trauma, but remember other parts of it.
The biggest obstacle when it comes to studying false traumatic memories is that there isn't really a way to do it in a controlled setting without violating the Hippocratic Oath. That's why so many of Loftus and co's own experiments only involve implanting mildly traumatic memories, like getting lost in a mall or seeing a drunk character actor at Disney. They've seen the damage (suicidality, isolation, substance abuse) done to people who have basically been brainwashed into thinking they were abused in satanic cults, and they don't want to put people through the exact kind of harm they're trying to put an end to. There are many, many studies demonstrating the human memory, particularly long-term memory, is incredibly fallible, just not as it pertains to CSA specifically. Take a look at all of the people who have been wrongfully convicted solely on the basis of eye-witness testimony only the later be exonerated.
No. 2566861
>>2566856Nta (I'm actually the person ayrt was arguing with) but I think it's related enough to the topic of the thread, because there are
so many parallels between Recovered Memory and Gender Ideology. Seriously, I could write a whole autistic essay about it. It's a good demonstration of why the so-called "half life of knowledge" is so short in psychiatric medicine. It's a very interesting topic. A good jumping off point is the interview Jesse Singal did with Ethan Watters.
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>>2566817Even women in traditionally "boyish" sports are often pretty gender-conforming, appearance-wise. Picrel is of two PWHL players who got engaged to each other. Edit: typos
No. 2566871
>>2566856Then criticize the person who started the discussion and demanded sources from me. I was just responding. I don't feel that Loftus's work is similar to the arguments against gender theory, because I think the arguments against gender theory are self-evident to your average 5th grader, while the Loftus v. Recovered Memory conflict was a lot more nuanced and full of weird/bad arguments on both sides.
If you think this is a derail though don't blame me for it, I wasn't the one who brought it up.
>>2566859I never said my experiences were the gold standard of scientific reliability, I said I won't believe a claim that runs directly contrary to my own experiences of trauma and memory. I also didn't say you shouldn't ask me for sources, but you asked for them in a very aggressive, entitled way considering you hadn't even posted a single source yourself, as if I had signed up for an academic discussion of psychiatry when I offhandedly replied to your comment. Incidentally the 'prove it' attitude toward people traumatized by sexual assault is exactly the problem I have with Loftus in the first place, like they're not allowed to report things that happened to them unless a scientific study can prove they were assaulted.
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>>2566841>>2566879I guess the TIF-equivalent is realizing you are a gay man from reading a genre by and for women?
No. 2566891
>>2566871>I won't believe a claim that runs directly contrary to my own experiencesThis is the exact argument a lot of troons make. You realize this, right?
>the 'prove it' attitude toward people traumatized by sexual assault is exactly the problem I have with Loftus in the first place, like they're not allowed to report things that happened to them unless a scientific study can prove they were assaulted.You said things about Loftus that bordered on libel, specifically that she wrote her first book after being paid off by pedophiles, a claim I personally cannot find a source for after actually looking. That's why I asked, because maybe the place you found that wasn't indexed by Google or something. I can't believe I even have to say this, but asking you to back up fractious claims about a public figure is not at all the same as questioning your personal experiences with trauma, for fuck's sake.
I'm sorry I came across as aggressive when I asked for sources, but this
is an imageboard, after all. Anons here call each other pickmes, skellies, and hamplanets, I'm not going to roll up to an argument with "Sowwy, can I have a widdle sauce? Pweeze?" In any case, I wasn't disbelieving whatever your personal experiences were, I was asking for actual data, so I could evaluate it and change my position based on it if necessary.
No. 2566899
>>2566884>>2566841I think both of these are cases of deeply maladjusted people not knowing how to distinguish fiction from reality. Escapism is a valuable coping mechanism for a lot of people and I recognize that, but I think some people fully retreat into fiction at the cost of losing touch with real life, and I think that's the case for most AGPs and AAPs.
I play as male video game characters and I do find some of them sexy, but I have zero desire to be male, because I recognize that controlling the JRPG bishie on my TV screen with an analog stick is not at all the same as living in the gross hairy body of an actual man. It's mindblowing to me that so many people apparently struggle to comprehend that? An anime bishie is not something you can actually
be or even date, because no such man exists in real life. When you play video games or watch TV, you're just taking a little vacation in fantasyland; part of the appeal is that you're seeing things that aren't possible in our reality. It just isn't sane to refuse to accept the material world you actually live in; that's the literal definition of a delusion.
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>>2566891Oh no, not libel! On my imageboard? Anyway, I'm done work so I will try to post some sources for you but I'll post them in the tinfoil thread, since it's a bit of a derail here to infodump about an unrelated topic. I'm not sure why you are so upset about 'libel' against a public figure who is notorious for testifying against Epstein and Weinstein
victims, among others, and who has been the subject of numerous APA and IRB complaints for ethics violations from almost the beginning of her rise to notoriety, although I said 'iirc' since I don't have a photographic memory for everything I've ever read. Making fun of me for admitting I may not recall details of Loftus's career correctly is also weird, by the way, considering the topic and especially since you have also made a bunch of fractious claims like the claim that people remembering repressed memories is a phenomenon
>born out of Freud's theoriesor that the idea repressed memories exist was
>popularized by a "memior" called "Michelle Remembers."I'm glad you at least backtracked and admitted that repressed memory, i.e., dissociative amnesia (which are the same thing, see picrel) has some scientific support (also see picrel) and is not a settled issue.
>there isn't really a way to do it in a controlled setting without violating the Hippocratic OathExactly, so asking me for consistent and robust scientific proof that it exists seems a little silly, doesn't it?
To get back on topic, can you explain what you mean by this?
>This is the exact argument a lot of troons make. You realize this, right?What objectively verifiable claims do troons make that need to be false in order to dismantle gender theory? Troons claiming they 'feel' some type of way about a non-concrete concept like 'gender identity' is not a verifiable fact, while me remembering things I had forgotten in a dissociated state and then verifying they actually happened with video/photo/documentation is. Troons claiming they can become the opposite sex is an obvious delusion, same with their claims of 'experiencing periods' which can also easily be disproven, or their claims that their feet shrank 2 inches that day, or whatever. I can't think of a single troon argument that is objectively verifiable but non-disprovable which would make TRA logic somehow true. What does this argument even consist of? Even a child can tell troon logic doesn't hold water, which is absolutely not the case with
victim testimonies of sexual assault.
>this is an imageboard, after allYeah, it's not a response to author in the Journal of Psychiatry. I don't have to come armed with "reliable scientific sources" to be able to post here, and if you're so convinced you have them and think they're so important, you were totally free to post them yourself.
No. 2567114
>>2567112This is so cringe I don't think I can make it all the way through it kek. Also are they even collecting sex offense allegations that include the 'gender identity' of the offender? How does the
victim know that?
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I want a-log so bad
No. 2567127
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>>2567125No, we definitely view you as being man. The worst kind of man, actually.
No. 2567181
>>2567125I think womanhood is defined by being the sex that is more capable of empathizing to the point where we are generally less quick to rape and murder.
But sure, if a rapeape chimps out on a woman she will probably not beat him in hand to hand combat. Also sure, not all women have children, but all children born were birthed out of a woman. I don't see why pointing that out is somehow "extremely misogynistic".
>Brutalize vulnerable minoritiesWomen ARE a fucking vulnerable minority ffs. Why is this so hard for troons to understand?
No. 2567191
>>2567135I feel like the "terfs don't see TIMs as men" is usually pretty easy. If TERFs don't see them as men, why are TERFs pushing to include them with the other group they share every single physical similarity with, aka men? Why are they pushing to force all males, regardless of gender identity, out of female spaces?
For the weak/pregnancy thing, maybe bring up how TERFs define it by whether you have a functional Y chromosome/SRY gene, and not abstract measures like "weakness". "Childbearing" is also stupid because you can point to the amount of old women in the GC fight as well as the fight for girl's sports, both of which are dubious on the "childbearing" part. Last time I talked to someone and they pulled this card, I linked them to the twitter page of the head
TERF (Rowling) and asked them to show me an example. Granted this person was also my long-time friend, so idk how well it would work on a stranger. Point out that sexism isn't just gone, and there's always the threat of males using both their strength from testosterone and the repeal of Roe v. Wade (bonus points for burgers) and birth control as weapons against women, which is why female-only spaces were made in the first place. And when they say "well trans women are different" ask what the qualifiers for being a trans woman is. Like how does a cis man differ from a trans woman? Feelings don't count because those can just be lied about (like Isla Bryson), transitioning isn't that big of a deal because men have done much worse for sexual access to women (and children, and animals), and muscles built from a lifetime of elevated steroids don't just… go away. The threat of pregnancy is still there, even.
No. 2567206
>>2567135Tell them this: we don't hate
being women—we hate the bullshit thrust unto us
because we're women.
What are the becauses? Point to Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan, femicide in Latin America. Ask troons if the men who do heinous shit to these women do it because of their ~~identity~~ or because of what they have between their legs—something they can't control or change?
No. 2567213
>>2566841"T-This coomer game is actually for the girlies!! Not for icky coomer men! I'm not like
those kind of men—because I'm not one and never was!"
Ah, the ever famous Obvious Male Gaze Coomer Media is ACTUALLY for the Girlies cope for moids and troons to wash away the guilt and shame of being a mindless slave to their penises (and having obvious male behavior for the latter).
Male NIKKE fans did this, yuritroons insist that infantile moe moe kyun manga is written by women in mind… It's just too exhausting.
No. 2567224
>>2567127>them turning around and doing exactly what men do to women, to usI must have missed that part of human history where men tried to avoid women, had to campaign for safe male spaces to undress away from women, and had to set up secret whisper networks of male support groups to get vulnerable men away from predatory and sexually
abusive female stalkers because men legally weren’t allowed to exclude women from anything.
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yet another case of a stupid fucking frogfaced tranny thinking he's so entitled to being called a woman because he slathered makeup on. absolutely disgusting, you can just tell he's trying to skinwalk the onlyfans ethots with that retarded crosseyed expression and scrotal jaw that will remain forever-apparent. i never wanted to sock a male in the face this hard in my life
No. 2567354
>>2566691Hilarious when you put this next to shit like this
>>2566697 because TRAs are constantly forcing their bs on others and campaigning for literal toddlers and children to be allowed to "transition", but then they refuse that anyone call themselves detrans? Perhaps you should stop brainwashing people if you don't want them to be confused.
>>2566746>if 'detrans' isn't a thing then that means 'transition' can't exist either. How can you 'transition' if you can't 'de-transition'?Exactly, detrans refers to having transitioned medically (i.e. received "gender care") and then de-transitioned, so it's a very real experience that people are allowed to talk about. It's not the same thing as claiming to have been gay for a period of time and having reverted back to heterosexuality.
No. 2567432
>>2567127>they don't see us as predatory menYes, we do kek. Why the fuck would we buy into your delusion about being a woman if our whole movement opposes the concept that changing your sex is even possible?
>>2567125Engels (who troons purport to like but don't actually read) believed that women were exploited by men because only women were able to perform a kind of work men wished to exploit; the ability to give birth. By controlling women, men were controlling the means of production. To point this out isn't "reducing" women to their ability to give birth, it's an acknowledgement that the oppression of women is based on our physiology. We were exploited by men because we had something they wanted to commodify; you cannot decouple the oppression of women from our sex characteristics for this exact reason.
No. 2567504
>>2567125This is just another attempt by dishonest libfems and troons to align
TERF ideology with conservative ideology. By flanderising our argument to suit a conservative perspective (that women are only defined/good for their reproductive purposes), they succeed in maintaining their charicature of TERFs as the "ugly, boring feminazis". We're uptight and prudish. We're "sex negative", anti-fun. The stereotype of feminists as ugly, prudish, and boring has always existed but has only ever been parroted by misogynists. Is it no wonder that they also use it?
No. 2567545
>>2566969Yeah, it's basically a cult. Just imagine that you're an atheist living in a small town where all of your neighbors are Christians who all go to church together every Sunday.
>>2566977Same. I have 1 IRL friend who I feel comfortable expressing some mildly gc takes with (and even then, she tells me "I'm glad that we can still be friends despite our ideological differences. I have friends with all kinds of crazy fringe beliefs - I'm even friends with anti-vaxxers"). Maybe I'll be able to peak her in due time…my friend has a theyfab friend, and sometimes she'll start she/her-ing her when relaying this friend's crazy drama back to me.
When I meet new potential friends, I'll try to slip in an "I love Harry Potter" or "lol the woke have gone too far" comment to see how people will react. I'd love to have a social circle with fewer trans-accepting friends, but as long as I continue having trannies in my workplace and my immediate family I'll never be able to escape this ideology.
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>>2564926I like to reply to own post here bc
>>2564988 was right! Nintendo announced that they are looking for younger actors between 16-23 GOD BLESS
No. 2567690
>>2567432>>2567533Libfem handmaidens and TIFs think we can solve misogyny by redefining ‘woman’ to be ‘anyone who wears a skirt’ while actual women become ‘birthing bodies’. And hey presto, women are no longer subject to sex-based oppression! Sure ‘birthing bodies’ are oppressed in the exact way (and for the exact reasons) women used to be, but that demographic includes ‘men’ too so we can’t call that sexism or misogyny. It’s a shiny new
egalitarian kind of oppression and that’s progress, right? Feminism has won! And if a new movement springs up to advocate for ‘birthing bodies’ then eh, isn’t that kinda
problematic? Since ‘birthing bodied’ people are overwhelmingly either
cis women (who oppress trans people) or trans
men (who oppress women) so idk sounds kinda
sus to me. Better shut that down and redirect the money and attention to more deserving groups, like those poor unfortunate souls at the intersection between misogyny, homophobia and transphobia: trans lesbians.
And that’s how straight men stole feminism.
No. 2567739
>>2567351He looks like if reviewbrah grew out his hair and did his makeup like shit.
And had linebacker shoulders.
No. 2567782
>>2566997Don't put words in my mouth. I didn't "admit" shit, and I despise anons who fixate on the concept of getting people to "admit" things. I don't think I agree with Loftus's claim that repressed memory and dissociative amnesia are the same thing (yes, it's possible to agree with someone in one instance and disagree with them in another). I'd have to look into it more, but dissociating (a kind of spacing out, basically) is an actual behavior some people engage in on a regular basis, and not always in traumatic situations. I'm not sure the act of dissociating would necessarily cause someone to forget an entire event, however; that's a gross oversimplification of what dissociation is and how it works. A person can remember things that happened while they dissociation. It's also not hard for me to believe that frequent dissociation may increase the likelihood of the sort of cognitive impairment that would lead to memory issues. Further, if someone has pathological memory problems, they usually can't retrieve what was "lost." Also, "popularized" and "born out of" mean two completely different things. Freud
created the theory, books like Michelle Remembers made it more mainstream (although it's important to mention that the latter is the origin of the Satanic element specifically).
Recovered memory is a very specific thing, and I think maybe that's where the misunderstanding between us is coming from. It is when someone is completely unaware of an entire incident that occurred, and is then "coaxed" into "recovering" it by a therapist. The therapist then encourages the patient to ruminate on it, which actually further traumatizes the patient rather than improving their wellbeing. Recovered memory is
not, for instance, forgetting about something and then remembering it because you saw a photo or some other reminder of it; that's just the normal process of forgetting and remembering things. The absence of material reminders during the "recovery" process causes an overreliance on scientifically dubious techniques.
You asked what I meant when I said
>[I won't believe a claim that runs directly contrary to my own experiences] is the exact argument a lot of troons make. You realize this, right?And I'm not sure how it's unclear? "I don't know any trans people who regret transition," is a common refrain among TRAs, and it relies upon the same anecdotal evidence as "I believe this happened to me, and that's all the proof I need." That's what I mean. Anecdotes can be value on an interpersonal, emotional level and I acknowledge that, but they're not as useful in a scientific context, like gender medicine or recovered memory.
>asking me for consistent and robust scientific proof that it exists seems a little silly, doesn't it?I was trying to be balanced, you retard. Saying that there are necessary differences between the studies done in controlled settings and the actual hypothesis at issue isn't saying that no proof exists, or that the data is worthless. It points strongly but not definitively in the direction that people can acquire false traumatic memories. That's why disagreement exists where this topic is concerned. To use an alternative example, the Big Bang isn't something that can be directly observed, all we have to indicate its occurrence is evidence that points in that direction. Science requires extrapolation.
You haven't asked me for sources on any particular claim yet, that's why I never gave one? And maybe asking you for them was kind of Redditfaggy of me, but sometimes I do like to know where people get their information? I have changed my mind because of things anons have linked to me before, I think it's a valuable thing to do.
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>>2567593Thank god, I bet they partly did it on purpose to make sure he'd not fit the criteria since they must have seen all the hype for it kek
It's also insane people were saying he could play Zelda when Link is a blonde pretty boy with long hair, like he could actually realistically have played Link but none of them dare to say it out loud
No. 2567817
>>2567782Anon, I'm not putting words in your mouth. You said, verbatim:
>Anyway, there's a phenomenon similar to (but different from) repressed memory that has more scientific support, and it's called dissociative amnesia. So you did admit dissociative amnesia has 'more scientific support' (aka is not scientifically disproven), and as you can see from my picrel, Loftus herself claims dissociative amnesia and repressed memory are synonyms. Loftus herself also says in picrel that 58% of modern clinicians believe to some degree in dissociative amnesia/repressed memory. I also believe that there is no meaningful distinction between the two, so if you prefer I use the term 'dissociative amnesia' instead of 'repressed memory' to make my point, I will happily do that. I'm not too stuck on the wording. I agree with your definition of 'dissociative amnesia' and I never said that specifically the traumatic memory itself is lost.
>I despise anons who fixate on the concept of getting people to "admit" things.I wasn't fixated on 'getting you' to admit this nor did I do anything to compel you to admit it, I was glad you admitted it voluntarily because it meant I didn't have to keep arguing against the claim there is no scientific support for memory repression/dissociative amnesia, as you initially asked me to. I don't want to argue with someone on something we agree about, it saves me time and effort to be on the same page.
>Freud created the theoryI called this claim specious because I think it's a specious claim that 'recovered memory is born out of Freud's theories' as stated. Maybe you meant 'the recovered memory movement' but the idea itself of re-remembering a memory was not invented by Freud. Many people who spontaneously remember memories have never been to therapy and have never learned anything about Freud.
>Recovered memory is a very specific thing, and I think maybe that's where the misunderstanding between us is coming from.I already said in my second response to you that I think the memory recovery movement were quacks so I don't see where the disagreement about this could be coming from. My disagreement with you seems to be about two things:
>The 'libellous claims' I made about Loftus which I believe to be true>The possibility of forgetting events, especially events surrounding a traumatic period of life, and then later remembering them (whether you want to call this dissociative amnesia or memory repression).The issue here is that Loftus neither began her career, nor pivoted at any point in her career, to restricting her attacks to 'recovered memory via hypnosis' and similar. Loftus began her career arguing that memories were often false in whole or in part, and in the early 1990s, before the publication of her book, focused on invalidating claims of sexual abuse claimants specifically, including many who had never seen a 'recovered memory therapist' or undergone hypnosis, and including many who never claimed to have repressed the memory at all. This is why the organization she co-founded wasn't called the 'anti-recovered memory quackery foundation' but the 'false memory syndrome foundation' and why she testifies against people like the Epstein, Cosby, and Weinstein
victims, claiming their memories (which they never claim to have repressed or recovered via therapy) are not reliable.
>"I don't know any trans people who regret transition," is a common refrain among TRAsWhich is completely unrelated to what I said. I said that I don't believe repressing and then remembering a memory is IMPOSSIBLE, because I have personally experienced it and then OBJECTIVELY VERIFIED that the thing I remembered did actually happen. A troon saying 'I don't know anybody who regretted their transition' does not use the same logic - it uses the logic that just because you haven't seen something, it can't happen. That's the same logic you're using right now, claiming that because you haven't seen or verified something yourself, it can't be true.
To use another example of my logic, let's say you said
>I don't believe that trans women ever enter women's bathrooms and then grope the breasts of women in the bathroom, there is no consistent and reliable proof of this occurringI would then say
>I don't need consistent and reliable proof that this can happen from scientific sources, because a trans woman personally grabbed my breasts in the women's bathroom. So I don't need more sources to know that this can occur.Do you understand the logic structure of what I'm saying now?
>[Anecdotes are] not as useful in a scientific context, like gender medicine or recovered memory.Good thing this isn't a scientific context then.
>It points strongly but not definitively in the direction that people can acquire false traumatic memories.I don't believe any such research exists, so that's one of the things I obviously would want a source for. Research showing a small number of people can think they remember getting lost in a mall does not imply that people could just as easily be induced to have a detailed memory of sexual assault by their father. If you think there are sources compellingly showing this, or showing that no one experienced the re-remembrance of a memory they had previously forgotten prior to Freud 'inventing' the idea, I'd love to see it, unironically.
>You haven't asked me for sources on any particular claim yetYes, because I expect that if someone wants a scientific conversation full of 'verified sources' they would start off by providing sources for their positive assertions first, not just sit on their laurels demanding I disprove their completely unsourced claims.
Anyway if you're actually interested in continuing this deraily conversation maybe you should respond to the embarrassing novel I spent my evening writing yesterday, as I promised I would, in the more appropriate thread:
>>>/ot/2567084 No. 2567905
>>2567842Your doctor was probably aware of the fact that including TIMs in the ‘women’ pool throws off the statistics and tried to correct for that by specifying she was talking about
actual women, but yeah it sounds ridiculous. She could’ve just stuck with women since clearly no men are getting IUDs. Gender-affirming IRDs, maybe. Bleeding from the ass is so validating uwu
This is also a problem when they try to change the word ‘women’ to ‘people’ to be more inclusive without correcting the stats. “95% of women” isn’t interchangeable with “95% of people” (e.g. “95% of people menstruate at some point in their life”) but official websites still do this shit all the time! Drives me up the wall. The ‘uterus-haver’ language is dehumanising as hell but at least it doesn’t alter the meaning of the numbers.
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imagine being so obsessed with yourself
No. 2567973
>>2567962>I think about identifying as an agender demigirl every dayWhat an empty life you must have.
>agender demigirlHow does this make sense even by gendie standards? If you are agender then you wouldn't be even demi girl, would you?
>crushing guilt that I'm just "cis with extra steps" and I want to be special.Kek, correct.
>I've been panicking about coming out for at least five years nowAs an agender demigirl? What on earth frightening thing could happen to you if you came out as a 'demigirl' when you previously were a 'girl' kek?
>It all feels stupid and unimportantCorrect.
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>>2567962Lol great thought experiment. Imagine identifying as a different gender while quietly living your life. Nobody would ever know your true gender because only you can communicate your innate subjective inner gender soul. If a tree falls in a forest and no one is around to hear it does it make a sound?
Also if someone becomes severely brain-damaged does their gender identity melt away because they don't have the cognitive ability to identify it? That sounds dumb but many troons and handmaidens wait until their babies are "old enough to tell them what gender they are", so idk.
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I hate that my friends are pro-troon. One guy in our group trooned out and everyone protects him. I talked to one of my friends about it and said something like "haha isn't that weird he says he will start menstruating on hrt" and the answer I got was "So what? Are you gatekeeping menstruation?". Like yeah? This guy doesn't have a fucking uterus. I am so mad.
No. 2568031
>>2567817>58% of modern clinicians believe to some degree in dissociative amnesia/repressed memory. I imagine a similarly high number believe in child gender medicine. That doesn't make it true or ethical.
>Maybe you meant 'the recovered memory movement'Specifically the modern Western one, yes, that's what I meant.
>I also believe that there is no meaningful distinction between the two>I believe [the unsourced and unfounded claim that Loftus wrote her first book because she was paid to by pedophiles] to be trueGood for you, people "believe" lots of things. I am of the position that they are different, and that Loftus is erring by saying they are, in the same way she's erring by misusing what are otherwise sound theories to unethical ends. There's a big difference between the suggestibility of a child witness and a grown-ass adult complainant against someone like Cosby or Weinstein. I told you RIGHT at the start of this that I didn't approve of that, but you are allergic to nuance and apparently think that every scientific theory and public figure must be sorted into "good" and "evil." My own perspective is that Loftus began investigating recovered memory with good intentions, and that she was radicalized over time. By her own account, she was a memory researcher who first got interested in recovered memory because it was in the news, not because a bunch of pedophiles handed her a briefcase of money.
>The possibility of forgetting events, especially events surrounding a traumatic period of life, and then later remembering them (whether you want to call this dissociative amnesia or memory repression).Nice deliberately vague description. The
means by which the events are "remembered" is the crucial difference here, which you are choosing to ignore because you're really enamored with the idea that they're perfectly identical and that makes you right.
> I have personally experienced it and then OBJECTIVELY VERIFIED that the thing I remembered did actually happen. I'm not your friend, your relative, your therapist, or your attorney; I don't care about your experiences. You are one person and the world doesn’t revolve around you. Science is not built on a foundation of anecdotes and feelings. If this isn't a "scientific context," then why are you so concerned with whether psychiatric medicine at large centers an ideology you have a personal attachment to?
>What about anecdotes involving troons sexually assaulting people in bathroomsWhile these are of journalistic value and warrant discussion, they do not form the backbone of gender critical arguments the way anecdotes often do in the recovered memory space. There is plenty of other material and empirical evidence that males pose a risk to females in secluded public spaces. There's been a recent spike of pregnancies in women's prisons, for instance. Troons have uploaded scores of sexually explicit photos and videos taken in women's bathrooms. Even if no sexual assaults by troons on women in bathrooms had never been reported, we'd still have lots of evidence to suggest that women are at risk. Troons assaulting women also isn't something that can be studied in a controlled environment, so like with studies on traumatic memory, inferences need to be made based on the data we
can collect.
Here's some relevant research, since you asked:
>Hyman IE Jr, Husband TH, Billings FJ. False memories of childhood experiences. Appl. Cogni-tive Psych. 1995; 9: 181–197.
>Porter S, Yuille JC, Lehman DR. The nature of real, implanted, and fabricated memories foremotional childhood events: Implications for the recovered memory debate. Law Human Behav.
1999; 23: 517–537.
Both demonstrate that it is absolutely possible for a therapist to implant a false memory into a patient. They didn't invent memories of abuse because of the ethics issue I touched on before, but they did go for things more traumatic than being lost in a mall, like being attacked by an animal. Here are some books on this topic if you're interested:
>Mistakes Were Made (But Not by Me) by Carol Tavris and Elliot Aronson>We Believe the Children by Richard Beck>Making Monsters by Ethan Watters and Richard Ofshe>Try to Remember by Paul R. McHughAnd I do still stand by
The Myth of Repressed Memory (Loftus's book) even if I disagree with her subsequent application of certain ideas. But I wanted to recommend some books and research that weren't by her in the interest of fairness. Interesting side note: McHugh and Watters have both been critical of youth transition and have compared it to the memory wars.
>This discussion belongs in the tinfoil thread1!1Maybe your half of it does, since the side you're arguing on behalf of is the one full of people who thought underground Satanic cults were kidnapping hundreds of kids to abuse in rituals and orgies.
No. 2568047
>>2567962>cis with extra steps but I want to be specialThis person needs to go on a long pilgrimage. Like at the very least walk with no destination and spend the night wherever you safely can with nothing but their thoughts. They need to ask themselves wtf "special" means to them as they look around at all the life around them. They need to ask themselves why they need this stupid fucking label in order to accept themselves as who they are. Most of all :
>Im a woman expect for when I'm not anythingThey need to answer what the fuck that even means. Like girl does your vagina occasionally disappear or what?
No. 2568071
>>2567985Yeah exactly, if she doesn't believe TIFs are women then just saying '50% of women who get the Mirena IUD' would have covered the entire gamut of women (in her mind) who get it. They probably say 'cis women' because they themselves get mixed up and forget that TIFs aren't 'supposed to' be women kek. Many TIFs don't get regular periods anyway.
>TIFs have been complaining about this for years and insisting we stop calling it women's healthcareLol which just results in males (but not TIFs) being lumped in with women in research and stats, very helpful!
>I constantly get the feeling that 99% of normies have no clue what trannies believe, but it makes their lipservice a lot more unnerving somehow. Yeah it seriously does, especially when it's your doctor who you are trusting to provide you with health care. How am I supposed to take a person seriously as the person who makes life or death decisions for me when she uncritically parrots shit like "50% of the cisgender women who get this IUD experience X symptom"? She either added that word in there herself because she's used to these mind games or she was reading it off a resource that had it written there, which means the resource should not be trusted.
>>2568024>Also if someone becomes severely brain-damaged does their gender identity melt away because they don't have the cognitive ability to identify it? Yes, actually. But I genuinely don't understand what's wrong with just having a 'secret' gender identity. If it's just an internally felt knowledge of 'who you really are' why do you need to come out to people you admit won't understand and will mock you anyway?
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>>2568024>Also if someone becomes severely brain-damaged does their gender identity melt away because they don't have the cognitive ability to identify it?Memories of reading about that case where an AGP male with implants developed Alzheimer's and forgot he was transgender. He refused to see any doctors because he thought they'd experimented on him and demanded to have his implants removed (I can't remember if he had bottom surgery or not but since he had a wife, probably not). Tbh I can't wait for all AGPs to develop Alzheimer's. It's gonna be even worse with the ones who have bottom surgery, genuinely cannot wait to read the headlines for those ones. As a lesbian I hate transbians so much so I will laugh hard.
No. 2568121
>>2568028Lol I'm sorry your friends are retarded. Can you get new ones? Imagine unironically using the words "gatekeeping menstruation" kekkk
>>2568048Yes. Excessive estrogen causes cognitive issues in men (estrogen is linked to cognition and memory in women too, but in different ways in the female body - HRT for postmenopausal women is sometimes given for memory issues specifically). It hasn't been definitively proven AFAIK that exogenous estrogen causes dementia in men, but it's a fair assumption that it likely could, since sex hormones are linked to memory and cognition in many other contexts.
>>2568052I think you've posted this blog before nonna and I found it really interesting. If not you then someone else. Anyway, it's a great read, thanks for posting.
>>2568094>Tbh I can't wait for all AGPs to develop Alzheimer's. Unfortunately then the (mostly female) staff that have to care for them are in danger due to their freakouts about missing/added body parts, changed names and pronouns/legal documents, etc. It does feel like karmic justice, but unfortunately underpaid pink-collar workers end up being (second-)worst affected in the end. Another reason why gender medicine, even when it's on adults, is dangerous to society and the medical system.
>>2568085I have PCOS and the claims by troon moids/TRAs that 'PCOS proves there's a gender spectrum' or 'is an intersex condition' offends me more than almost all their other (equally retarded) arguments, along with their attempt to co-opt 'menstruation' and claim men can have bloodless 'periods.' Because PCOS is a female-only condition, it's hugely underresearched compared to conditions that affect males, even conditions that are far less rare and/or life-destroying. Sexism in medicine affects women with sex-specific conditions like PCOS more than almost anyone else because no one wants to give research grants and serious attention to issues that affect only women. Then these misogynistic moids roll in and start talking about how my condition proves they are just like me, even though they could never imagine what it's like to have it because you need a female body for that. And they promote putting TIFs on testosterone so they, too, can experience induced health issues and symptoms similar to PCOS and destroy their lives practically before they've even begun. Fuck those TRAs especially and particularly.
>having an ultrasound wand shoved up your vagThis regular experience for a woman with PCOS, often done by a male radiology tech, which is uncomfortable, feels violating, and probably borderline rapey/painful for teenage virgins, is probably something TIMs would have sexual fantasies about, which makes it even worse. You know if they knew women with PCOS are subjected to this they'd probably feel jealous of us and write fanfic in their heads about it.
No. 2568131
I always lived with the impression that trans people exist due to a part of their brain being structured differently. Curious about all you nonnas opinions on this vid.
>>2568094Also found that amputees can also forget about their amputations at times but I haven't dived deep into research papers to see how and why.
No. 2568133
>>2568028Damn, that sucks, anon. if I were you, I'd cut that group off slowly and make
terf friends. Aint nobody got time for that nonsense.
No. 2568154
>>2568133NTA but where do you even make
terf friends? In every case my options are pretty well limited to 'get off my lawn' conservatives and hysterical shriekers who think not giving rapists access to women's prisons is equivalent to Dachau.
I'm increasingly spending time with the lawnfags tbh.
No. 2568167
>>2568133>>2568157It's hard to cut them off because they are cool otherwise. But hearing I had an "unreasonable crashout" when I just blocked the tim really hurt me. I am never being taken seriously. I'd love to have a
terf friend.
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>>2565908>>2568056NTA but yes it is the guy every online leftist constantly shills despite his rambly diaries. The article OP posted includes a butchered machine transcription of the White Lotus speech which makes no grammatical sense which he didn't bother to edit between his long diary spergs about how he fucked so many men on the DL with unsuspecting wives, and the moids he was fucking stole their wives' and gfs' panties to go meet him. Of course he never informed the wives and gfs that he was fucking their husband/bf who was stealing their panties to go get assraped by troons because why would he? He's queer! His first allegiance is to other degenerate moids!
Other uh……. interesting parts of the article include picrel and this bizarre paragraph:
>My impression is many heterosexual male crossdressers have expendable income, but that may just be my environment. Some of them will invest a lot of money into tucking gaffs, breast forms, lingerie, and even silicone body suits that give them the shape of a curvaceous woman. They’re truly willing to invest in gear that gives them the sexual experience they desire. Crossdressing gear is a huge industry and there are many niche online market places that cater to men who have this fetish. Some of these websites also service the transgender community who may see many of these things as gender affirming.He also admits multiple times that the 'heterosexual crossdressers' - who are Not AGPs Okay! - he describes are more invested in strict gender roles than 'average' men:
>I met most of these men when I lived in Orange County, a place where people are a bit more invested in image and gender norms. Most of these men had a hypermasculine life that they cultivated, enjoyed, and preferred. >As I said, heterosexual crossdressers often have a very black-and-white way of viewing a man and a woman’s role in a relationship. To them, a man’s role is to dominate, and a woman’s role is to be dominated and degraded. For that reason, they often see feminine gender expression or articles of “women’s” clothing as indications of sexual submission. >As I said, these are typically men who appear to be your typical hypermasculine dudes more often than not. This means they’re pretty invested in maintaining that image, and for many of them, living this sort of double life is exciting. These men often enjoy stealing their partners clothing and wearing it during their excursions with men. It would excite them less if their partners were aware of it. >These men quite often have a very curated idea of what a woman should look like and how she should present herself. As they put themselves together, they’ll often imagine that in all actuality, they’re able to emulate a degree of femininity that even most women can’t. Lol this bit where he makes fun of how ugly crossdressing AGPs are is genuinely funny:
>If I were to guess, he certainly didn’t look like one of those girls, but he genuinely believed he did. More quotes about how sexist and obsessed with gender roles the AGP crossdressers are:
>Quite often these men believe that modern women have lost touch with femininity to some degree. Many of the heterosexual crossdressers I’ve known idealize a particular type of 1980s high femme, sex doll femininity that today, many women would find tacky or outdated. They often pursue sex workers because they get to experience a more curated version of hyper femininity>He was your quintessential masculine, heterosexual suburban dude. He had a nice beard, a masculine body that he cultivated, a lifted truck, a wardrobe full of Affliction T-shirts and cargo pants. >These are not often men who seem feminine at all, or even “metrosexual”. Perhaps the closer you get to them, the more you’ll recognize how curated their masculinity is; but to the passer-by, these men will appear to be the quintessential masculine, heterosexual man. >These are typically men who have developed a very particular relationship with masculinity. They fully bought into the patriarchy and believe that men and women should play these particular, immovable roles within relationships. As usual, you absolutely should take troon advice and Listen To Troons. I have now bookmarked this article to show to any of my troon-respecting acquaintances in the future who want to listen to trans people more. I'm sure it will be illuminating. Thanks, anon who posted it.
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>>2568131>What this study suggests is, what transsexualism is about is, people who got the wrong gendered body.This quote alone from the video should be enough to tell you this professor is full of shit kek. So based on one tiny brain structure, you can confirm people with an abnormal size of that structure 'got the wrong body'? Isn't that brain structure part of their body? Is the size of that brain structure the single most important thing about that person, such that you can then determine the body distribution system made a mistake on the basis of this one tiny sub-sub-sub-section of a body part? Kek retarded.
>They're chromosomally, hormonally, gonadally, (in terms of) secondary sex characteristics, part of one sex, and they're insisting they're not of that sex, and this part of the brain agrees with them.Does it have a little voice that says 'I agree'? I wonder what the little voice of the bed nucleus of the stria terminalis sounds like when it talks.
>Trans women who get their penises removed … zero percent of phantom penile sensation! There is something much more "normal" in that case [SRS] than when a penis is removed for cancer.Kekkkk I can disprove this with reddit posts. So many MtFs on reddit complain about having phantom penile sensation it's not even funny.
Looking up who this guy is and he normally doesn't study transgenderism, though I found this quote from an article about his views on gender:
>He asserted that recent neuroimaging studies of the brains of transgender adults suggest that they may have brain structures more similar to their gender identity than to their biological sex.[34] Sapolsky bases this assertion on the fact that there are differences between male and female brains, and while the differences are “small and variable,” they “probably contribute to the sex differences in learning, emotion and socialization.”[35] He concludes: “The issue isn’t that sometimes people believe they are of a different gender than they actually are. Remarkably, instead, it’s that sometimes people are born with bodies whose gender is different from what they actually are.”Going into his claims about the bed nucleus of the stria terminalis, the article he claims to be citing in the video is this 1995 paper from a Dutch research group:
https://www.nature.com/articles/378068a0 but since the fulltext seems not to be available for free, here's a free copy:
https://www.wellesu.com/10.1038/378068a0The study was on a group of six transsexuals which investigated the bed nucleus of the stria terminology since it had been found (in rats) to be correlated to sex. One prior study had found that a subregion of the bed nucleus was larger in human males than females. The Nature study in question (unlike what he said in the video, where he claimed the BST was twice as large in human males) found that the central part of the bed nucleus (BSTc) was 44% larger in their heterosexual male sample than their female heterosexual sample, and 62% larger in their homosexual male sample than their female heterosexual sample. In the transsexual male sample of six people it was even smaller (nonsignificantly) than in the heterosexual female sample.
He also claimed that the study 'controlled for' hormone use in the transsexuals, but this is not true. The transsexuals were male and taking estrogen. The 'control' was one female with high androgens. The study claimed that the BSTc size is not affected by hormone levels in adults on the basis that one 46-year-old woman in their sample, who had suffered from a tumor causing her to produce high testosterone (for less than one year prior to the study), was within the range of the other heterosexual females in the sample, although there were also heterosexual males who had this same size BSTc (there were heavy overlaps between the groups, which ranged from n=6 to n=11 in size). The study authors say directly:
>As all the transsexuals had been treated with oestrogens, the reduced size of the BSTc could possibly have been due to high levels of oestrogen in the blood.Sapolsky also claims in the video that they included transsexuals in the study who never took cross-sex hormones but 'maintained they were the sex they said they were until death' which seems to be a mischaracterization of this quote from the study:
>Evidence against this comes from the fact that transsexuals T2 and T3 both showed a small, female-like BSTc, although T2 stopped taking oestrogen about 15 months before death because her prolactin levels were too high and T3 stopped oestrogen treatment … about 3 months before death.Well, if they stopped taking estrogen a few months before I guess it's settled then!
They also similarly explain it can't be due to a lack of androgens because they all had an orchiectomy, but decided it wasn't that because 2 men with prostate cancer had also gotten orchiectomies (one and three months before death, respectively) but still had larger BSTc regions.
All-in-all, a very compelling study! I will post more about this in a sec with more recent research since this post is already pretty long, but picrel is the graph from the study showing the BSTc sizes of the 4 groups.
No. 2568309
>>2567136kek based
>>2567135the reddit post is purposeful misinterpretation of radfem arguments. radfems do say stuff like 'women are (generally) weaker than men' and 'only women can give birth' but these things aren't meant to reduce women to being weak babymachines as tras believe. they're observable statements that can't really be denied. like, women ARE generally weaker than men, and almost all violence against women is caused by men. only WOMEN (you can use afabs if you want to give their language a try) can give birth.
No. 2568325
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>>2568131>>2568300So first of all the first issue with this research is that the BSTc is a brain region involved in fear circuitry and reduced BSTc volume is usually associated with depression/anxiety as well as other psychopathologies like ASPD and BPD. For example, here is a 2016 article from Nature reviewing its role in psychiatric disorders:
https://www.nature.com/articles/mp20161>The BNST is important in a range of behaviors such as: the stress response, extended duration fear states and social behavior, all crucial determinants of dysfunction in human psychiatric diseases. >Thus, the BNST has been largely overlooked with respect to its possible dysregulation in mood and anxiety disorders, social dysfunction and psychological trauma, all of which have clear gender disparities.Moreover, the 1995 study cited by Sapolsky in the video was a postmortem study of a handful of individuals, but there has been more recent research since that shows it likely is not sexually dimorphic in humans, and the sexual dimorphism in rats is likely due to it playing a role in sense of smell in rats but not humans (picrel), source:
https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2024.10.09.617217v1.fullI also found this pop-science article talking about the issue:
https://www.theparadoxinstitute.com/read/issues-with-the-trans-brain-sex-hypothesis-part-1-the-bstc >Subsequent research has illuminated the influence of cross-sex hormones on brain volumes, particularly within hypothalamic regions, consequently affecting the BSTc. In a study by Hulshoff et al. (2006), eight MtFs and six female-to-male transsexuals (FtMs) underwent magnetic resonance imaging (MRI) before and during a four-month interval of cross-sex hormone therapy. MtFs received anti-androgens and synthetic estrogen, while FtMs received parenteral testosterone esters. Compared to control males, MtFs exhibited reduced hypothalamic and overall brain volumes, shifting towards female proportions. Conversely, testosterone administration to FtMs led to increased brain volumes. > In rodents, the BST shows sexual dimorphism within the first two weeks of life [8], whereas in humans, this differentiation occurs much later in adulthood [9]. A study by Chung et al. (2002). >While the volume of the BSTc increased in both sexes during the transition from fetal to pubertal development, only the male BSTc continued to expand into adulthood, typically around 30 to 35 years of age, ultimately establishing sexual dimorphism. Given that gender dysphoria is believed to manifest at a relatively young age [10], the notion that the BSTc, which undergoes sexual differentiation late in human development, plays a causal role in this condition becomes increasingly improbable. >neither of the two papers (Zhou & Kruijver) has undergone attempted replication since their initial publication. The article then explains that other findings by the Dutch research group had since undergone attempted replications that failed.
I also found other studies suggesting that hormone therapy in mice did affect the BNST volume, for example:
https://academic.oup.com/endo/article-abstract/150/9/4241/2456292>Next, males, females, and females treated neonatally with testosterone were administered VPA or saline on postnatal d 1 and 2 and killed at 21 d of age. VPA treatment did not influence volume or cell number of the BNSTp in control females but significantly reduced both parameters in males and testosterone-treated females. As a result, the sex differences were eliminated. Basically TL;DR the claims in the video are a bunch of bullshit based on one very small and badly designed study which had no model to explain causal mechanisms. The volume/size of this brain region changes with cross-sex hormone use, is not sexually differentiated until later adulthood, and is also modulated by mental illness.
No. 2568335
>>2568233After years and years of them doping themselves up on hormones, anon, kek. Like
>>2568228 said.
>>2568235You should honestly consider making friends for reasons other than liking the same kind of music or game. Not that you need to completely cut off people you play rhythm games with or do other casual hobbies with, but a single specific shared interest like enjoying the same media isn't really a good basis for strong friendships most of the time (unless you mean you are a musician in those genres, in which case try to see them more as work friends). Try to branch out and make friends with people just because you like their personality and get along. You can listen to each other's fav music and you can find shared things to do together that are new. It's way more frustrating to hang out with people who shit on you for basic beliefs like "men don't menstruate" than to hang out with someone who likes a different type of music than you but isn't a retard.
No. 2568496
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>>2567351This is how he looks by the way kek
No. 2568532
>>2568424I think men have lower empathy skills for several reasons that aren’t just socialized. They don’t have much incentive to see the world from a woman’s perspective (ie, to humanize women) since prioritizing dominating women yields better results for them.
This is also why I think they cannot engage with anything “feminine” or “female coded” in a nonsexual way, the overwhelming majority of the time. If you find a “gnc” man, his interests and affectations are usually built on a fetish. Since men struggle to see women as humans, they are classified as things. The most useful thing a woman is to a man is a sexual one.
This would also answer
>>2568460Women can see men as people, and not just utility objects. Male clothing becomes “people clothes” because both men and women can identify men as people. Generally, only women see women as people, therefore, only women can dress “like women” for non-objectifying reasons.
A man interprets “dressing as a woman” as follows
>a woman is object >dressing as one marks me as an object>object should have function/role to fill>woman-object role is to be used as sex dispenser>I am not sex dispenser, I am not gay.>if I dress as sex dispenser, other men will think I am one and try to fuck/humiliate me, the same as female sex dispenserSo the only men who do it want to be treated as such, porn addicts and troons (but I repeat myself).
Men view the world and society completely differently than women do. Unfortunately the convergence of these two separate interpretations of reality means the “average” is male.
You can’t fix this problem until you can get men to view the world like women do, which won’t happen anytime soon. To do so would take a lot of deliberate effort (including the eugenic kind). Most people are hardly aware of this phenomenon, and even if they were, are not equipped to change anything about it.
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>>2568300>>2568325Wow you are amazing. I'm glad I got a response debunking everything in this vid. Thank you soo much nona, I'll read the links you provided but even so the explanations you gave are pretty clear.
No. 2568581
>>2568517It means she only wants to wear feminine clothes
sometimes and somehow this means she can't be a normal woman
No. 2568622
>>2568612This doesn’t discredit anything I’ve said. The fact that males have a propensity to create these type of female characters demonstrates their conception of what a woman is.
“Men can’t help but to objectify women because all men do is objectify women”. It’s circular. The dehumanization of women is entirely a male manifestation.
No. 2568632
>>2568622I’ll double post. You admitted as much in your original post, men create these characters of their own volition, and men continue to perpetuate the cycle because they LIKE if.
Men are not
victims here, they objectify women because it appeals to them. Men of the past were the same. It’s all cultural inertia of the male “creative” mind. This is what they create because this is how they perceive the world (or at the very least, what they want it to be).
I’ll give an example to make it more clear.
When I talk to most women about their first exposure to pornography, most of which created by men, they describe being distressed/traumatized. This isn’t to speak on their propensity to become consumers of pornography, rather, their initial reaction and how they interpreted and internalized these depictions.
When I talk to men about their first exposure, their initial reaction is not distress, nor did they suffer any trauma from the act of viewing such images. In fact, they are attracted to these dehumanizing/degrading depictions of women. So much so, you’d be hard-pressed to find a man alive who doesn’t have some sort of pornography “addiction”.
Again, men are not
victims here. This is what they create because they want it and like it. Men/boys exposed to the same imagery respond positively. They go on to perpetuate the same thing, if not through replication, an uncritical acceptance.
No. 2568668
>"No one is transing kids!"
>Go full retard when PUBERTY (11 to 16 year olds) blockers are banned
>"We are breaking gender barriers!"
>Will claim to kill themselves if they don't fit the other gender
>"There are more than two genders!"
>Surgeries are still male or female oriented
>"Conversion therapy kills!"
>Try to convert homosexual people
>"No one is transing to peek in women's bathroom!"
>Go full retard when can't enter women's bathroom, when they could as well piss on the floor
>"You don't need dysphoria to be trans!"
>Call theyfabs fakers, feel rage at those who don't medically transition
These are all old arguments that we've discussed countless times but I hate how it's all so stupid and contradictory and yet no one dares to point that out, the emperor's naked. I would feel so stupid believing all of this because they don't even need mental gymnastics to be believed like weird conspiracists, they lie, on weak lies and yet people believe them, out of interest or out of mental illness. Sometimes I see stuff like "autistic people tend to be trans due to pressure of not fitting in" which is true but if someone truly has autism they tend to view stuff logically and I wonder if it's just poor mental education and poor logic skills instead of autism, because that shit doesn't make sense at all, I believe that only actually retarded people can believe all of this and it's so clear, under the sun, it goes full circle and sometimes I feel like the stupid one for not seeing something that maybe it's there, as an explanation for all of this hysteria.
No. 2568691
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Main reason why I peaked
No. 2568854
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>voiced by a tranny
Yeah, let's have a male, someone who can never directly understand the anguish and pain of being sexually assaulted by someone innately stronger than you by biological sex, impregnated against your will by the attacker, and a verbal punching bag for a misogynistic sociopath who's routinely enabled by some blonde limp dick who's the character embodiment of "bros before hoes". Definitely not a strange and backhanded move in any way to have a male voice a female character that's written to help represent a female-specific horror.
>trannoids lacing the fandom in their bullshit and always trying to make Daisuke out to somehow be a TIF
If anybody on the Tulpar is most likely to be a tranny, it's actually Jimmy and not in the FtM way. Jimmy would be a tranny in the transbian way.
>misogynistic
>violent
>delusional
>narcissistic
>always lying
>thinks he's the biggest victim
>acts entitled to labels he doesn't deserve
>implied drug abuser
>violent tantrums
>invades a woman's space
>disgusting pervert
>a rapist
>sexualize animals as a "joke"
>commits suicide when his own life (which he ruined) gets too tough
It is that and how trannies attempt to distort the medical definitions of female and male (as well as abusing hormone treatments) for why I believe Anya would most definitely be "transphobic". She would observe troons and immidiately recognize the identical personalities they share with Jimmy. She was trying to get into medical school. She would despise what trannies are doing to the medical industry (trying to change the definitions of what women and men are, and abusing hormone treatments, and chopping off healthy body parts for a mental illness). She would view them as a bastardization of health education and medical practice. Anya would not like trannies. Curly being a limp dick enabler who would put any "buddy" above women and doing what's right, Jimmy being Jimmy, Swansea being an asshole who would rather fuck off and be a drunk instead of helping her and Daisuke, and Daisuke still being a goofy twat even if he is the most likable male on the Tulpar, I personally see Anya coming out of this with a dislike of men if Mouthwashing had a secret ending where she escapes back to Earth.
No. 2568954
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US Supreme Court has ruled 6-3 that states can ban trans care for teens
Dissent from Sotomayor
No. 2569050
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>Transgender people are literally only 1% of the population.
Yet everything have to be around them and their "rights".
No. 2569063
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They sure love to repeat what conservatives say.
No. 2569102
>>2569063>telling kids that you'll survive without all the things i have to keep me alive makes you a the nastiest kind of hypocriteThere should be more gender critical focus into how troons fearmonger and create panic communities. They constantly use suicide as a bargaining chip. Saying that troons and troon children will commit mass-suicide if they don't have access to hormones now now now. Saying that you need hormones to SURVIVE. Suicide prevention organizations encourage mass media organizations to present to topics relating to suicide in a delicate manner because of how socially-influenced suicide and self-harm is. More people will commit suicide if a celebrity kills themselves. Self-harm (and behaviors like eating-disorders) are spread through social contagion and culture. Yet troons scream about suicide every minute.
Also if you are already the gender you identify as, why do you need hormones or "gender-affirming" care? How does changing your body affirm your gender if gender is innate? Cosmetic procedures are needed or else you will kill yourself, makes perfect sense.
No. 2569118
>>2569074>back to baselineso puberty is bad, adulthood is bad. baseline is child.
Wouldn't they want to have enough penile tissue to actually go through SRS (if they end up going through it) and enough genital sensation to ever be sexually active in the future? Or do they just think kids won't need/care about those things when they're grownup and they can just be orgasmless eunuchs forever as long as they look 'good' to the old pedos and it's fine?
No. 2569132
>>2569102I fucking hate the simplification of suicide. If the cross sex hormones and surgeries really prevented suicide why are there so many stories about trans individuals offing themselves even when they started cross sex hormones as a minor?
Suicide is also a social contagion, like an eating disorder. These people treat themselves like martyrs, weaponizing their own lives for their retarded ideology. It's an abuse tactic and it disgusts me.
It makes me wonder if there are trans groomers who passively or actively encourage minors to threaten or actually attempt to complete a suicide. I mean, most of these TRA types aren't afraid to tell their ideological opponents (especially TERFs) to kill themselves, I could see some of them turning on their own so-called kin.
No. 2569164
>>2568954Roberts' opinion was very sensible and even-handed. He didn't condemn the treatments, he just said that the Equal Protection Clause doesn't apply here. If TRAs want to find a legal justification for their reckless experiment on children, they'll have to find it somewhere else.
>This case carries with it the weight of fierce scientific and policy debates about the safety, efficacy, and propriety of medical treatments in an evolving field. The voices in these debates raise sincere concerns; the implications for all are profound. The Equal Protection Clause does not resolve these disagreements. Nor does it afford us license to decide them as we see best.What I appreciate most about this is his acknowledgement that the field is "evolving." Research indicates that the "half-life of knowledge" in psychology (i.e., the amount of time it takes for half of all established doctrine in a field to be at least partially disproven) is seven years. Is a 50% chance of this treatment being bogus in seven years really a risk people want to take when the complications are this serious? I don't think so.
No. 2569171
>>2569063>Thing I have to keep me aliveFucking bogus. The 41% zombie statistic limps on, I see. If being denied these drugs actually killed people, we'd see a massive rash of suicides in the states that have restricted the treatment, but we haven't. The whole
>Would you rather have a dead son or a live daughterIs literally just a secular version of Pascal's Wager, and has no place in medicine. It's emotional blackmail.
No. 2569184
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>>2569171They even copied that from "would you rather have a gay son or a dead one?".
They really want to make kids miserable like them.
No. 2569193
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Someone tell them it was a world with raging homophobia and gender issues.
No. 2569208
>>2569193I'd like them to show me an example of somebody who underwent medical treatments to attempt to "change" their sex before 1800. Also, what they call "gender dysphoria," i.e., a kind of delusion that you have the soul of the opposite sex, probably has existed for a long time, but only recently have people decided that the correct course of action is to enable that delusion rather than address it as the cognitive distortion it actually is. We do not do this with
any other body-related delusion. We do not offer medically unnecessary stomach pumps to bulimics. We do not give liposuction to anorexics. We do not cut limbs off of people with "body integrity disorder." We do not intentionally give diseases to people with factitious disorder. Most doctors will refuse to perform cosmetic surgeries on people known to have BDD. For
some reason, though, the entire medical establishment is making an exception in this one instance, probably because pharma salivates at the idea of the lifelong captive customers it creates.
No. 2569215
>>2569184>This includes helping [kids] DIYEvil, and in the case of TiFs, literally a crime. TIL dealing drugs to kids is a-ok as long as its part of your personal ideology.
>Handing down a death sentence to trans kidsSomething tells me we're not actually going to see a gigantic wage of teenage suicide over the next few months.
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>>2569193Even the "third genders" they love to claim only came after patriarchal social relations. Primitive humans were matriarchal and none of that stuff existed.
Modern transgender identity is a reflection of modern alienation —not a timeless or universal category.
No. 2569254
>>2569229I think there are two types of parents in these situations: 1) well meaning people who blindly trust all the fearmongering and 2) abusers who either want to exploit their kid, or who genuinely would rather have a eunuch in a dress than a gay son. Susie Green and Jeanette Jennings are examples of the latter category motivated by both: they didn't want gay sons
and they have MBP. However, where the first category is concerned, the parents aren't to blame– it's ideologue doctors and greedy pharma companies working overtime to manipulate people.
No. 2569259
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Just came across this poster on a PCOS subreddit. Naturally all the handmaidens in the comments aren't even questioning it. I'd honestly thought the "trans women can have PCOS" crowd was rage baiting, insane to see someone truly believe it.
Spoilered for some very unfortunate feet.
No. 2569264
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>>2569193Modern transgenderism (I have an internal gender identity and identify outside the sex "assigned" at birth) is a very recent ideology. Most anons itt remember how transgender stuff used to be explained as "being born in the wrong body" 10-20 years old. You can dig up old writings related to "gender" / sexuality from any point in last century and see how ideas of sex and sexuality evolved.
Here's a good post from the other farms on troon historical revisionism and about an old pervert who is now whitewashed as a trans icon.
https://kiwifarms.net/threads/tranny-lgbtq-historical-revisionism.196263/post-18890143 Back then people thought gay guys were the result of an intersex condition that made them develop the sex drives of women (being attracted to men), and trans women were the extreme manifestation of that.
No. 2569382
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This OsteoStevie person might be the handmaiden final boss for this reply alone. Because what the absolute fuck?
And yes, I looked at her post history and she claims she's a real woman dating a mtf, you can never truly know though.
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>>2569290Reminiscent of when I read picrel and the guy was insistent he totally had PMDD. If my troon brother started claiming he had PMDD since I have it then he must too, I would absolutely go apeshit. The level of selfishness that this mental illness requires is staggering
No. 2569543
>>2569382Admitting he’s the problem is admitting you’ve been had. Many handmaidens are created when the scrote they hinged their entire life on becomes
abusive. You either come to terms with the fact another person destroyed your life and will face no repercussions, or cope by saying they didn’t actually destroy your life and everything is fine. It’s a mixture of sunk cost fallacy and coping mechanisms that prevent a complete psychic breakdown.
No. 2569598
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apparently some yumes in a discord server were "transmisogynist". nature is healing, the kids are alright, etc.
https://x.com/sunvehs/status/1935338501974962462 No. 2569634
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>>2569598Lmao isn’t the first screenshot just a reference to “sir this is a wendy’s” anyway? No real women get upset when someone quotes a meme to them but doesn’t change the pronouns
No. 2569725
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Do you get a bingo, ladies? OT rant incoming (and I will spoiler because I'm a bit embarrassed) but I am still reeling somewhat from getting dumped so quickly for being a TERF by an online circle. In a way I should be glad that I no longer have to pitter patter around TRAs, I am glad of that, but I'm mad the troon who outed me is currently (probably) getting his balls glazed over his excellent burning of the witch. I know my writing and art go to him, it does suck that it no longer can. He doesn't have to inhabit a space with me anymore. Am I insane and petty? Yes. Did I enjoy watching him make extremely passive aggressive statements about me, stalk me, and vaguepost me whenever possible? Also yes.
Trying to take solace in knowing he's mid thirties, botched, and a retail wageslave but it doesn't entirely soothe my irritation that troon dick is so unbeatable in nerdy spaces.
No. 2569737
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>>2569725Didn’t get a bingo, probably because half of these are from a tra’s perspective(no, i don’t think you can’t be a lesbian because I don’t like you, you can’t be a lesbian because you’re male.). But I find it really funny they list being skinny as a
terf trait. Does that mean being fat is a trans trait?
No. 2569744
>>2569695There is an emerging demographic of fandom AGP scrote who sees the yume/fujo community like a separate pornographic category of woman. They see yume/fujo fandom spaces/hangouts like all-girls sleepovers, and want to infiltrate.
You can identify them easily because they run accounts that relish being a “yume”, “otaku”, “fangirl”, etc. more than they actually engage with any fandom related media. They are primarily concerned with themselves and the “community”, “I love being a stinky fujo”, and have a handful of AGP/pickme friends to cieclejerk with them in the comments, their accounts are littered with anime moeblobs and brainrot memes. They only seldomly talk about their preferred franchise/husbando/ship, and when they do, it’s always moid gaze-y hyperfeminine shotas and femboys. They are primarily heterosexual and attracted to femininity, but can manage to engage in pedophilic/gynephilic attraction to “fit in” when required. You won’t see them obsessing over popular and undeniably male/more masculine characters. They can barely manage to pretend to have passing interest in porn of shotas wearing dresses.
The pervert scrotes are fetishizing and colonizing female fandom the same way they did to alt fashion and tomboys.
It’s still a rarity, relatively speaking, but moids will cross any threshold if they think it’ll lead them to pussy Eden. They don’t like it when women candidly discuss their sexualities (if it involves fixating on other, more attractive men), and don’t like being exposed to gay sex even in the form of cartoon ships, but they will venture here if they reasoned it’s a viable option to get into close contact with women.
There were similar types of men back in the old fandom days, but they had to integrate and debase themselves far more. It wasn’t rare to see yume/fujo cliques that would have a token bisexual scrote or two (usually a bf of a girl already present) they’d tolerate the discomfort to maintain proximity to pussy.
Now these AGP incel weebs are another beast entirely. They do not integrate to be tolerated, they colonize fandom scenes until they trend towards autosexual circlejerks, and other moid fixations like racial discourse and power scaling.. I can’t like the “I’m a fujo and proud!!” text over VN anime girl memes anymore. I once thought of them as absurd and silly. Now I see them everywhere, and I know the likelihood of it being posted by a troon is 95+%
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>>2569737Twinsies. Maybe I’ll make an actual
TERF bingo later if nonas want to play
No. 2569759
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>>2569744>skinwalking fujos and yumes, alt girls and tomboysLiterally what the fuck. All of these girls were mocked by scrotes growing up, and then when they became adults they get fetishized and skinwalked.
Aileen give me strength
No. 2569773
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i never understand what they mean by intersectional feminism. i like hearing what the other side thinks but i also don't want to read tra mumbo jumbo, can anyone concisely explain what it means from their perspective. also put a question mark on 'worshipping white women' because, idk, i think jodi arias and dworkin are queens
No. 2569776
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>>2569742I just made one, sorry if it’s not great tho
No. 2569791
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>>2569744i've had to deal with these types unfortunately but they don’t last for long kek yaoi filters the fuck out of them. ask them their top 10 bls and they're silent. i'm so appreciative of fujochan for this even though the moids chimp out and spam cp because they know they'll stick out like a sore thumb no matter how much shota they like.
>>2569737why are trannies so retarded when it comes to their idea of terfs? the most militant ones i know are usually people of colour because of the shit we have to deal with. especially african and middle eastern women who get cut and killed, and these cultures don't even accept the LGB so what makes them think they'll be welcoming to men in a wrinkled amazon skirt trying to go in the womens room while their daughter is fixing her hijab in there. oh well, it makes it easier to go stealth KEK
No. 2569807
>>2569759Exactly. These men are typically the extremely cowardly/low self esteem/covertly malicious weakscrot who joined in mocking girls with other boys in his youth. Not just cynically, either, they are deeply misogynistic and entitled and genuinely resent women’s hobbies. And resent women’s sexualities.
A fandom nerd girl is resented for engaging in “his” hobbies, since all women must be only interested in him. Seeing one like what he likes adds salt to the wound. Her displaying her sexuality only rubs it in deeper, since it’s a blatant demonstration of them not lusting over his dick, specifically. More than any other type of woman, the nerd moid sees nerd women as a deliberate affront to, and mockery of, his very existence.
Then of course, with enough time to mald in his irrelevance and rejection (despite being so angry about it, no women came to his rescue!), he reasons he can become what he loathes/covets in order to “right” what he sees as “wrong”. Claiming the identity himself to assuage his discomfort in rejection, as well as retribution against the women he sees as cruelly abandoning him. If he becomes his own obsession, he can finally have control.
This is why they get so pressed about not being validated by these women, why this scrot thought semi-misgendering discord exchanges was such an awful crime. So awful in fact, he had to cry to the public over this slight infraction. Any minuscule reminder that his efforts to prove a negative are fruitless will cause a testerical episode. It’s not just a simple exchange, it’s the foundation of his entire sense of self, his value, his identity.
It’s similar to AGPs and their frequent obsession with women’s menstruation, comparative physical weakness, and “stupidity”. Things they once openly resented and mocked. It often doesn’t make sense to women how they appear to just flip a switch, but really no switch was flipped at all. The foundation is and always was misogyny and entitlement, the only thing that’s changed is what side of the fence the scrot imagines himself on. Their resentment was born out of jealousy and covetousness, their mockery was only a way to point out how unfair the world was to him; “women are so inferior to me, why don’t they want me?”, “women are so inferior to me, why do I want them?”. It’s like manifesting. When they aren’t you, they want to weaken you so you’ll have him, when they “are you” (twaw), suddenly misogynistic stereotypes about women are good. It’s all about his ego. He crosses over into the “winning side”. To an agp coomer male with a complex about rejection and undesirability, “winning” is reduction to a sex object, since the sex object has what he wants, “to be wanted” the way he wants. Reminding him of the obvious, that a man can never liberate himself from his maleness, the whole house of cards comes crashing down. He is suddenly back in that awful space he desperately seeks to avoid, himself.
“Skinwalking” is just this phenomenon. At his core, the moid despises his maleness, and only values femaleness. Well, his maladapted conception of maleness and femaleness.
>>2569762Moids are animals at the end of the day. The male animal, outside of staying alive, is motivated to secure access to females to propagate his genes. Nothing female is sacred, and they will run down any number of absurd paths if he thinks it will lead him closer to access, including turning himself into a female to access. It’s a combination of animalistic instinct and neurosis only humans are capable of. If tomorrow, by magic, all women were locked in a separate dimension men could only access by cutting off all their limbs and plucking out their eyes, a sea of formerly human slugs would be squirming through the gates.
Most men don’t have to take such measures, but some extraordinarily inferior specimens reason it’s their only viable avenue is to harass and harangue autistic women online. Thus, you see a demographic of failsons castrating themselves just to get a whiff of pussy in discord text form.
No. 2569815
>>2569789Most moids will abandon their morality and convictions if pussy is on the line. Men will sacrifice the liberty and happiness of others if pussy is on the line. Many men will throw their entire lives away if pussy is on the line. Men will risk a life of imprisonment and death just to spend a few minutes sticking their dick into a warm hole. Why wouldn’t I believe men wouldn’t play dress up if they think pussy is on the line? This argument is so stupid.
The only people who say it are women projecting their superior reasoning skills onto moids, or moids who think if they lie incessantly enough, people will believe them.
No. 2569816
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>>2569725aw man i was close. no selfies but i do post a lot of oil paintings.
also sends me that they think we don't understand intersectional shit or surgery… we know what those are we just don't agree with you about them
No. 2569832
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>>2569805Just made one, spoilered because I added some fetishy shit they do
No. 2569856
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Here’s a real TERF bingo if you ladies wanna try it
No. 2569860
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>>2569856Surprisingly both the tif and tim in my family are nonbinary. Really hoping the tim grows out of it though, he’s only in highschool
No. 2569864
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>>2569856i have a great uncle who's trutrans kek.
No. 2569866
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>>2569856even if she's a garbage person i'm weirdly proud of my ex for being so hateful toward traditionalism that she'd never troon out
No. 2569868
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>>2569856Unfortunately I have dated males and I was like "are all moids porn addicted retards?" Luckily I have met one (1) man who did not watch porn, but males who do watch porn deserve to be put in the female position and degraded for the same amount of hours that they have watched it. Not in an AGP way, but in a "male trapped in prison" way.
No. 2569870
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No bingo rip
No. 2569876
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>>2569856Dang if only I was a kf user then I would've had a bingo
No. 2569877
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>>2569856Change “has trans friends” to past tense
No. 2569878
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It's funny how much these supposed "women" feel such strong solidarity with their fellow males
No. 2569879
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>>2569856No bingo unless my ex decides to troon out. I'll just call this a win and assume that getting a bingo is bad.
No. 2569884
>>2569725Can we talk about the particularly retarded spaces?
>+1 bonus for racismRemind me again which movement unapologetically declares that black women are more akin to males than they are to women of other races. Hint: it's not gender critical feminism.
>trans men are self hating womenI mean, yeah? Cutting off healthy body parts is not the behavior of a person with high self-esteem.
>NB people are fakeThey're not "fake," they've just adopted a political identity. Show me a non-binary Republican and you'll have proved me wrong.
>ignoring the existence of surgery as a conceptWhat??? How is being concerned about the complications of cosmetic surgery "ignoring it as a concept"??? The troon who wrote this got lost in his own word salad.
>skinnyKek I thought we were all fat and ugly? Pick a lane.
>Trans women are faking for perksNo, they troon out due to fetishes or internalized homophobia, and other things (like being allowed to cheat at sports and dickswing in women's locker rooms) are just bonuses. They may even seek single-sex spaces out to fulfill their obsessive desire for validation, hence all the non-athlete fatasses who suddenly decide to paly women's sports after trooning out.
>TERF is a slurGiven that TRAs use to it refer to any woman who disagrees with them regardless of whether she's actually a feminist or even gender critical, I'd say yeah, it borders on being a slur the same way Karen does; it's a rhetorical tool used to silence and shame women whose opinions you dislike.
>calling out transphobia is an act of hateIf your idea of a "call-out" is threatening someone with physical/sexual violence, campaigning to get them fired, libeling them, or even physically assaulting them in public, then yeah, I'd consider that an act of hate.
>She said trans women should die."Should die" is troonspeak for "any statement that disrupts my delusions."
>the bangsI've seen way more troons with ugly bangs than GC women, so I have no idea where this stereotype even comes from. Most of the major female figures in the GC space
don't have bangs period.
>blog is selfies and oil paintingsMost of us wouldn't dare post our faces because of the shit you psychos pull. Once again, I have no idea where the fuck this stereotype comes from.
>I don't like x person so they can't be a lesbianIt's not an issue of liking or disliking someone. Do you have a penis or like penis? You categorically are not a lesbian. A female homosexual I hate is still a lesbian.
>lack of understanding of intersectional feminismI dislike it because I understand it to be a divisive framework that foments infighting and attempts to quantify oppression. And even if I did subscribe to it (which some radfems do!) I wouldn't consider TiMs to "intersect" with femaleness in the first place.
>sources all from 1995Baseless. Remind me again what year the Cass Report came out in?
>We don't hate trans peopleNo, I just hate
most of you, because subscribing to the concept of the "gendered soul" requires a baseline level of misogyny I do not tolerate.
>Not wanting to be misgendered is oppressiveCompelled speech is objectively authoritarian.
>"act of violence" aka trans women existingThere are several documented instances of masked TRAs running up to GC women holding signs and assaulting them. 50% of TiMs in prison are sex offenders. Fallon Fox nearly killed someone, and that's just one example of TiM athletes injuring women. Maybe you guys should try "existing" in a way that isn't identical to the type of violence regularly perpetrated by males.
>It's just scienceYou guys say the exact same thing kek, the difference is that TRAs are the
reason there's so little high-quality research into things like youth gender medicine. WPATH literally interfered when Johns Hopkins tried to publish data on gender medicine.
>Worshipping white womenSays the kind of person who slobbers all over Honter Schaefer's cock while harassing a black woman who just wanted to create a female-only gym.
>Men trying to invade our spacesMaybe we wouldn't say this if you guys didn't colonize and attempt to ruin literally every hobby, sport, facility, online space, and bar founded for women.
>Upper middle classThe richest countries tend to support gender ideology, while the poorest ones oppose it, but sure, whatever helps you sleep (in your first-world suburb) at night.
>I know about trans issues because I took a gender studies classA lot of women
chose to take gender studies (formerly known as WOMEN'S studies) classes before they peaked. Many of us went from full-throated support of troons to absolute disgust, and you only have your own retarded public behavior to blame.
No. 2569886
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>>2569856The only one I wasn’t sure if I should tap was “been cancelled”
No. 2569890
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>>2569856i couldn't have gotten a bingo even if i hadn't been burned at the stake
No. 2569899
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>>2569860>>2569879>>2569886>>2569890I’m curious if you nonnies are the users I think you are on the other farms. Not in a malicious way, I just have suspicions about some regulars over there kek
No. 2569910
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they always get away with complete lies and it drives me insane. i swear troons know women would peak if they only gave rfism a try and that's why they desperately insist it's an evil old white lady movement
No. 2569922
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Not to sound like a Redditor but proof? Also why are they now obsessed with calling themselves dolls, pedo much?
No. 2569930
>>2569923I was
>>2569860 and I lurk too, but there’s a few people on there I can tell use lolcow. I have a few guesses who that anon thought we were, but sadly I remember people by pfp not name
>>2569910>forcing all troons into sex workLike half of them don’t do it already. Also, I don’t wanna date them for
free, why would I pay to?
No. 2569939
>>2569910Radical feminism is against sex """work""" (prostitution and pornography), what the fuck are these people smoking
Also I thought troons supported it? They're the ones who say sex "work" is no biggie and we all need to be sex positive and open-minded about it?
No. 2569957
>>2569910>killing all transgender peopleThe straight men they brag about stealing from women are doing a great job in the arena if you don't count them offing themselves and drug overdoses.
>forcing all transgender people into sex workThat's the autogynephilia talking. Plus they tend to do sex work by choice almost always, including the hsts, who like the attention they get from men.
>>2569922It's more so a term mostly used by hsts who tend to be obsessed with looking like plastic surgery enhanced instagram baddies. I just think it's hilarious that it's now shifted on from that particular group to encapsulate troons as a whole knowing what most mtfs look like and it literally ignores ftms as usual.
No. 2569958
>>2569910Who the actual fuck wants troons in sex work?
>>2569957It's also their teenager level delusion that "if you hate me that means you secretly love me". Like nobody wants to see your axewound on cam, Lilith. Porn is awful but people would rather see the real thing.
No. 2569978
>>2569598>>2569634>>2569744Yume spaces need to keep biological males out. What is a moid doing in that server anyway? How does he justify his presence? Disgusting fuck.
>You can identify them easily because they run accounts that relish being a “yume”, “otaku”, “fangirl”, etc.>“I love being a stinky fujo”Sounds exactly like how Japanese moids fetishize groups of women in the form of token "geek" waifus with zero female interests or just showing enough interest in feminine hobbies as is necessary for it to feel "authentic" enough for moids to find her believable.
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>>2569856That little emoji is perfect. Kek.
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>>2569856Not even close to bingo
No. 2569990
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kek
No. 2570003
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God bless this misogynistic (cunty teehee) little boy. I love him.
His whole "anyone who criticizes me hates me because im hot" is hilarious. Not even worth a response. He's a skinny male with thinning hair.
My fav thing though is how he proves trans women aren't women. Elon sex selects his IVF babies. If he was female he would never have been born. It must cut him deep down to know if he was truly female he would have been destroyed. At least Grimes negotiated for a female child after giving him a male. This little boys Mom didn't even care enough to fight her husband on his eugenics.
I hope he never shuts up. I liked when he was on Hasan Pikar's stream trying to come across as one of the people and couldn't stop himself proving he could speak Chinese because someone else tried. Just working class things!
No. 2570012
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>>2569742Another one that I've used a few times, had to remake it because the original was tiny
No. 2570013
>>2569939The terves “making” them prostitute themselves is in the same vein as genital checks in bathrooms. No feminists want this, feminists actually advocate
against it, but the idea of being forcibly sexually degraded and humiliated like that gets troons off so they love to publicly fantasise about it. And being men they’re incapable of ever taking responsibility for their own thoughts and feelings so they blame mommy. Look what you made me do!
No. 2570045
>>2570003>They're jealous of the dolls because were cunty and theyre notJust realized those "Protect the dolls" t-shirts people are wearing atm are a tranny thing. This finally made me look it up.
I really thought it was some half backwards thing talking about protecting women but calling us dolls at the same time. No of course it's about troons.
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>>2569964This is a male phenomenon that they incessantly project onto women but it comes across as complete nonsense to us. As nonsensical as saying the only reason you fear heights is because your true desire is to jump off of a cliff. Only scrotes understand their BPD relationship with whatever gets their dick hard.
Men are primitives consumed by lust and are unfortunately smart enough to realize how horrible it feels to be unable to exert executive control over his compulsive penile preoccupations. They are stuck in a very uncomfortable position where they are intelligent enough to be aware of their disability, but not evolved enough to actually do anything to solve it (aka decide to turn their dicks off). Instead, they overcompensate by otherwise loathing the thing they can’t stop wanting to stick their dick into. “It doesn’t have control over me! I hate it! I’ll prove to the world just how little I’m controlled by it by telling everyone how much I hate it!”
Little does the scrot know, the opposite of “love” is not hate, but indifference. (t/n: love means ‘thing that causes pointy dick disorder’ in scrotese). They cannot recognize it for the obsession that it is, that hate functions identical to love in its obsessiveness. This obsessiveness is the root of their issue, and one they cannot seem to excise.
It is most comparable to the relationship a self-aware parasite would have with its host. It resents the fact it must depend on another autonomous creature to function. Because it cannot just decide to not subsist on blood, and it would simply lose the will to live if it truly accepted the shamefulness of its existence, its resentment is offloaded onto its host. Now the host is the problem, and therefore worthy of his hate.
This is why moids hate women as much as they do and in the particular BPD way that they do. Why the concept of “hate fucking” occupies space in the average male’s brain. Why he can publicly hate what he enjoys in secret. Why the idea of getting turned on by something you loathe is so widely accepted despite seeming like a complete paradox to anyone who doesn’t suffer from the y chromosome defect. It’s because this is how they think. It’s the parasite’s dilemma.
Their primitive nature, which allows for this utter retardation to thrive also means they suffer from generalized mental retardation. They are unable to even comprehend a perspective in which this dilemma does not exist. If they could, they would have fixed it by now. It’s kinda like explaining being neurotypical to an autist. If they could understand how to think like a normal person, well, they wouldn’t be autistic now would they? And lo, the scrot projects his mental deficiency onto women as well. When the woman does not act accordingly (i.e, the
TERF demonstrates a lack of desire to fuck troons), various copes emerge. These copes will mirror various stages of grief, but can only ever remain suspended in purgatory, as the male is unable to reach “acceptance”. The closest approximation is for him to throw up his hands and proclaim women are too stupid, illogical, or mysterious to be understood. As we know, the moid is incapable of internalizing and realizing he is the one with the problem, and why acceptance will forever elude him.
You will hear the autistics lament over being unable to understand normies. There are some delusional autistics who’ve convinced themselves that normies are their developmental inferiors, but most of the time, they are frustrated at their impaired perception of reality. They rightfully recognize it is the reason why they struggle so much compared to people who do not suffer with their disorder. The scrote is much less likely to address and internalize his deficiency similarly. After all, it is “normal” for men. What do they have to compare themselves to, women? That’s a mental exercise far too advanced for them.
Scroteal disorder is so metastasized within moids, the overwhelming majority cannot manage to even recognize it as a problem. Even the most fucktarded of autists can at least admit autism is a “them” problem. Sad!
Combine their deficient way of thinking with their fetishistic tendencies (both are deeply intertwined, it’s almost unnecessary to make the distinction) and the scrot reaffirms his belief the best way he knows how: consulting his penis. He further deludes himself that TERFs secretly want him by stroking his dick to the fantasy of it. The moid mind is like a spiraling prison of coom and confusion, and anger when he catches glimpses of how retarded the whole operation is, anger at how helpless he is to stop it.
I find troons fascinating in that they suffer the most intense male patterned delusions and neuroses of any scrot demographic I’ve observed thus far. All while paradoxically identifying as women. If you know how to read in between the lines, all they do is confess to the internal logics of the base male mind. How men perceive themselves, women, and the reality we both share. I would love to study them like Jane Goodall, if they weren’t actively harming the world with all of their scroteal bullshit. These chYmps are too feral. My desire to live in a decent world overrides my morbid curiosity. But while they are here, I will observe.
No. 2570124
>>2570117I posted a picture of a cat for a reason, but neglected to mention that the most similar thing women experience mechanically is cute aggression.
You see a baby/animal/cartoon and are filled with an intense desire to cuddle and dote on it. You’ll feel compelled to gnash your teeth, pinch their cheeks, tickle them, and call them cringey insults in a cutesy voice.
Crank this up to a million and this is similar to what scrotes feel.
Replace the initial desire of “cherish” to “own” and express the countering behavior not through cheek-pinching and hair-ruffling, but rape, murder, and deliberate interpersonal/systemic measures to strip women of their dignity and humanity.
No. 2570129
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Your average tranny when you ask them a basic question of what they believe in kek. If you want to rewrite laws and remove anti discrimination laws against women based on your wack beliefs then you shall be able to defend your reasons.
No. 2570131
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>>2570129It absolutely becomes a debate when other people’s rights are at risk. The “be kind” bullshit really doesn’t stick at all with me.
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They came for Joan of Arc and I was silent… but then they came for Horrid Henry
https://youtu.be/1en7pWRQZPo?si=a8MX791-f525zSD5 No. 2570173
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>>2570163This comment, fucking kek. I don't think the "misgendering" holds much water when it comes from an old lady who also believes that Henry's child brother is a teenager and that the back yard is the fridge.
No. 2570238
>>2569074>the emotions? how HORRIBLE puberty felt?Trannies will whine about their traumatic suicide-inducing experiences and it's literally just going through life like everyone else. They are seriously justifying the use of puberty blockers with "no but you don't understand, being a teenager is emotional and difficult for trannies!!1". Virtually
everyone feels like this about puberty, retard.
>>2568668I agree with you, but not all autists are some kind of logical genius tho. Now that it's trendy to be autistic, people define it like that, but autists can be pretty retarded.
>>2570006>>2570012Good ones nonnnie
>Link to a study they obviously didn't read>No argument, just insultsThey're all spot on but these two made me kek, so true.
No. 2570255
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>>2569725no bingo, but let me be the second to say fucking KEK at "skinny". why is that used as an insult? sorry I'm hot and you're ugly
No. 2570291
>>2570255>socializationTroon gets mad at science 101.
>biologically male or femaleTroon gets mad at science 102.
>+1 points for racismIs this about the Imane Khalif shit? He has XY chromosomes and had no business in women's boxing. Cry harder.
>trans men are self hating womenTroons get mad at truth 101.
>nonbinary people are fakeBecause they are. Next.
>ignoring the existence of surgery as a conceptTroons having comically stupid strawman 101.
>skinnyFatass troons can't exercise without crying about the bathrooms.
>whitePlenty of black, Asian, Indian, and Middle-Eastern ppl here. Cry harder.
>faking for perksPlenty do. Same reason moids fake being in the military for perks.
>terf is a slurConsidering you use it for any opinion you don't like?
>calling out transphobia is an act of hateConsidering you send rape and death threats and absolutely fucking chimp out over Hogwarts Legacy?
>strawman story no one actually saidTroon pulls nonsense story out the ass 101.
>the bangsIs the free space for troons the mental illness? Or the insufferable personality?
>tumblr blogs Troon blogs are full of fetish shit and derangement.
>another stupid fucking strawmanYou have a worm between your legs that vomits white viscous liquid. Lesbian's don't.
>muh intersectional feminismBoohoo. We're mean to misogynistic religions and deranged deluded troons.
>sources all from 1995You source Elagabalus as being "twans representation!". You are not one to talk about credibility.
>we dont hate trans people!We 100% do.
>not wanting to me misgenderedYou fucking chimp out whenever the doctor calls you by your real name.
>acts of violence aka trans women existing"Existing" and perpetually being a societal nuisance.
>its just scienceTroons getting mad at science 103.
>worshipping white womenTroons thinking women of color are inherently moidish 101.
>men trying to invade our spacesTroons getting mad at boundaries 101.
>upper middle-classTroon boomerang contempt 101.
>gender studies classAbsolutely no one here has taken a fucking gender studies class lmfao.
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You can really just slap the word queer on a random thing and get bunch of views huh, almost thinking this could be a good side hustle but at the same time it's annoying how they insert themselves to everything. Not to mention its always the kids shows?(repost)
No. 2570341
>>2570336let me guess Margret is a
terf kek
No. 2570345
>>2570307>>2570327>They can't "Own" a grown woman anymore because she has thoughts and opinions or even a job, which is ugly, so they have to "Own" their own persona of a woman as a sexuality.Men are chafing against shifting gender roles, particularly as women acquire higher levels of educational attainment and the economy becomes more service-oriented, a type of labor that doesn't disproportionately award chimp strength. The explosion of troons is just one instance of this, like PUA influencers and the MRA "movement" online.
But difficulty coping with change is not the only factor. As our culture becomes more secular, people seek out non-religious social venues that provide the structure, meaning, and sense of community that would ordinarily be found with organized religion. This is precisely what gender identity and the trans community are to adherents; it's a kind of secular new religious movement. Religion also offers a ready-made identity to people who have a poor sense of who they are, and the same is the case with transgenderism.
Also, a lot of people who grew up with the internet, especially autists, seemingly struggle to differentiate reality from fiction, and may even retreat from reality to a delusional degree. Instead of watching an anime with a female lead, enjoying it, and moving on, people instead ruminate obsessively on the idea of
being that character, or being like her. The same is the case for porn; the uptick in both troonism and violence during sex can both be attributed in part to people being overexposed to porn and trying to replicate it in real life.
No. 2570390
>>2570341No actually Margaret is just like a gender-bent Henry. OP even praises the whole musical number she had about girls being better than boys. It's Henry's MUM who he jokes about being a
TERF in the comments. Kamenfags, I swear.
No. 2570426
>>2570409if you like to read, try 'Be Kind' by Victoria Smith which came out at the beginning of the year, or check her twitter at @Glosswitch it's all about this.
>>2570398Are they ashamed? they don't seem ashamed, they seem to love that their female boss can reprimand them and then they can go home and wank to female boss anal or whatever.
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>>2570129I never understood how "I want to be a woman" means "I am a woman and I always have been a woman" but also "I need to transition into a woman by making aesthetic changes to my body even though I already am a woman" and "Me and other trans people will commit mass-suicide if we do not get access to hormones and surgery even though we claim to have always existed throughout history"
>>2570409Troonism is on the right side of history in the eyes of handmaidens. Troons are oppressed and misunderstood beautiful gender people. Why are there people who oppose them? Remember that you CANNOT take any sort of moderate position or give ground to any sort of transphobic argument.
Therefore, everyone who opposes troonism is either stupid or evil because there are literally no
valid points or concerns from the other side! That's no exaggeration, if you ask handmaidens why people are against trans people, it's always because there's so much hate, they should listen to trans voices, they are bigoted conservatives, etc.
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>>2569856Don't wanna miss out.
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No. 2570491
I hate the term “trans kids”/“transgender children” and that people like Justice Sotomayor use it. It’s not a neutral term and anyone who uses it seriously is revealing themselves to be deeply biased. Imagine if the SCJs were debating exorcisms and one of them expressed concerns about “possessed people” not getting the care they need.
>>2570471>LilyOf course.
No. 2570492
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>>2569856Love it! Thanks, anon. This was a lot of fun to fill out.
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i fucking hate this troon. god i hope as soon as his youth comes crashing down on him (like it does to all males) hits him like a truck and he finally 41%'s. they are trying to paint him as some ''Brave And Stunning™ heccin birthingpersonarino!'' figure when he is the most obvious troon ive ever seen in my entire life. bolt ons and a face slathered in make up will never make this tranny a woman, no matters how hard he desperately tries and fails.
No. 2570528
>>2570438They love to claim transwomen have existed in many forms all throughout history. Long before surgeons were able to turn a dick inside out or hormones could be bought. But now that those things exist.. they'll simply die without fast access to them.
Then there's the ones that make their dick their whole personality. Do the 'muh dick will kill me' group not feel weird about the lady dickers. You'd think there'd be more ongoing drama over it and it feels like a few years ago there was. Now they're stuck pretending it's fine because they don't want to expose all tran logic is built on a house of cards anyway.
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>>2569856i may have had a cringe pansexual demigirl/nonbinary phase but at least i never called myself a stinky lil boi called socks or bugz.
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>>2569856I don't know if this counts as
fully 4B but I don't date 3DPDs
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>>2569856Don't lesbians count as 4b by default? kek I think more slots could be added
>was a handmaiden until spoke to a actual troon>gnc No. 2570813
>>2569807Fantastic post, anon. I think some people (including a lot of the normies who believe TWAW because "why would a man go to such lengths to (access women's spaces/win women's sports/pee in a different bathroom/hang out with lesbian women) unless he truly believed he was a woman?" forget the lengths men have historically gone to to secure access to women and children. I think many of these normies see the normie moids around them who can get a girlfriend through normal methods and assume it's equally easy for all moids. But if you look at MGTOW/incel moid spaces online you can clearly see the extreme desperation low status males have to access women any way possible. They will destroy their bodies through steroids and gymmaxx, they will get leg lengthening surgeries to heightmaxx, they will get educations and careers that give them access to women and children of the type they want to be around. Why is it so hard to believe some males would pretend to be female for sexual reasons? I think normies somehow see transition as worse than all those other things moids will go through to access women because normies see it as weird and humiliating to try to change sex but the moids in question have no shame and in many cases enjoy the humiliation, because they're not normal to begin with. Even regular normie moids will fake all their political and religious convictions to get dates with women they're attracted to, will formally convert to other religions or pretend to be feminists, so why is pretending to think they're female so much more unbelievable?
>>2569878>AMABs are raped just as much as cis women>but also being a transwoman makes me raped so much more because I'm a woman now which puts me in dangerthey never make any sense kek
No. 2570851
>>2569884>Show me a non-binary Republican and you'll have proved me wrong.I think it's not outside the realm of possibility. I know a non-American who considers herself somewhat/partially conservative but also talked about how she thinks she might be nonbinary, although I don't think she ended up identifying that way especially since me and our other friends told her the idea makes no sense.
>Kek I thought we were all fat and ugly? It's such a self-own, basically admitting he thinks terves are all conventionally attractive Stacies kek.
>"Should die" is troonspeak for "any statement that disrupts my delusions."Yeah, I've rarely seen anyone actually saying troons should die, but troons constantly talk about wanting to kill feminists. I think it's just DARVO.
>blog is selfies and oil paintingsAgain I think this comes from thinking terves are all conventionally attractive stacies. He thinks the blogs are all selfies because he is jealous of terves and thinks they're all hot and constantly posting pictures of themselves. Ironically it's usually troon blogs that are full of selfies, because they wrongly believe they are attractive and are self-involved narcissists.
>sources all from 1995This is clearly an attempt to pull a variant of the 'your biology is middle school biology, my biology is PhD-level biology' grift. They think feminist works from pre-troon-takeover are outdated, even if they just contain self-evident observations about how men treat women. They want society to move past basic feminist ideas and go back to prioritizing men, so they don't like older feminist literature that was allowed to talk about issues actual women face on the basis of our biology.
>Compelled speech is objectively authoritarian.Exactly. 'Not wanting to be misgendered' is fine, sweetie, but you don't always get what you want. You don't want to be misgendered, and I don't want to use your preferred pronouns. It becomes authoritarian when you try to force me to use your preferred pronouns or else.
>Maybe you guys should try "existing" in a way that isn't identical to the type of violence regularly perpetrated by males.Kek, exactly.
>It's just science>You guys say the exact same thing kekThey regularly use 'trust the science TM' arguments but suddenly the argument is bad when we point out the science isn't on their side.
>whatever helps you sleep (in your first-world suburb) at night.The entire existence of trans ideology is based on living in such levels of material comfort that moids can afford to create additional problems for themselves instead of focusing on basic survival. As usual, more moid projection. Yes, middle class people from wealthier countries are often more anti-troon, precisely because they have to deal with trans ideology more in their daily lives.
>I know about trans issues because I took a gender studies classThis is a huge self-own, basically admitting that terves are more interested in feminism than the average person, and also admitting that the more exposure to trans ideology women have, the more likely they are to oppose it. Not sure why the troon would include this in the bingo.
No. 2571129
>>2570238I
especially don't want to hear TIMs whine about how "horrible" their puberty was. I can understand TIFs being traumatised by their puberties, even though their anger is misdirected: the problem is the way other people treat them, not the process itself. They miss the forest for the trees and think "oh well, that's just how things are supposed to be. Since I hate the way it feels, female puberty must not be meant for me at all. I must be a boy." TIMs, though? I guarantee their "trauma" was just being told to get a job.
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They want to be special so bad. It's so fucking cringe
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender-critical_feminismcan any history/factfags fact check this article? or has anyone ever? i've never really dug into the history of radical feminism but i think the section detailing it is weird. there's this bit about the 'gutter dykes' attacking an innocent trans woman and it makes me squint
No. 2571216
>>2570492>>2569860>>2569864>>2569879>>2569890>>2569990what was getting ousted from your circle for being a
terf like? tell me the story
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>>2571129Yeah since when are boys traumatized by puberty? Most of the guys I knew in high school shot up in height and had their voices drop around 10th/11th grade and they were all really happy and proud about it. Whenever a boy would go through his sudden growth spurt and final voice drop everyone would start complimenting him kek. And not in the creepy sexualized way they "complimented" 12-year-old girls when they grew breasts.
>>2569512This is particularly retarded because it doesn't even make biological sense, and I don't just mean "males can't have PMDD" although obviously you can't have a premenstrual disorder if you don't menstruate. He claims that he started experiencing PMDD after he started taking progesterone pills. PMDD happens right before menstruation, which is typically when high progesterone levels drop to a low level (progesterone circulation in women is typically very low from the pre-menstrual period, when the drop in progesterone
triggers menstruation, until ovulation). Postpartum depression, which has also been linked to progesterone effects, occurs after continuously high progesterone levels during pregnancy drop off. Picrel is from an article about progesterone and PMDD/PPD, and shows that when progesterone levels are continuously high, mood is not negatively affected.
This leads to the question: is the troon actually cycling progesterone for 2 weeks as a woman's body normally would? Or is he taking it daily? If he's taking it daily, he can't get PMDD-like effects from the premenstrual drop in progesterone, and this whole post is fake. If he's taking it cyclically, then he could stop the 3-5 days of hell a month by just taking a daily dose of progesterone instead of cycling it, since he has no reason to cycle it other than wanting to experience PMDD-like mood effects. Or he could just stop taking it entirely (elevated progesterone levels in men are bad for them obviously) and, again, stop experiencing these 3-5 days of hell. What role does progesterone even play in HRT for troon moids? Academic articles claim progesterone for MTFs is sometimes taken to 'improve mood symptoms' but it's clearly worsening his, so why take it? Apparently it can also help with their gynecomastia, but then he can just take it continuously.
For a group that claims to a. be into modern science and b. be really real women who grew up 'noticing' what happened to women around them and identifying with said women, they sure seem uninterested in women's health topics, even when they take women's hormones to "transition." If he is such a woman-respecter, and grew up seeing his mom and sister experiencing PMDD, why would he want to experience it too? It's a horrible affliction that he can easily stop having whenever he wants to. He can even keep taking his HRT everyday and prevent any progesterone-related mood drops by just taking it daily. LBR though, I'm sure he is taking it daily, and this is all an elaborate and retarded fantasy because he gets off on his mom and sister's suffering without even looking into what biologically causes it. Fuck these moids.
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Circled both progressive and conservative because it depends on the topic. I disagree with some views on both sides. I'm neither a hippe pro-casual sex/hookup culture libfem nor religious whatsoever so both tend to annoy me kek
No. 2571277
>>2571216it was different each time.
>group 1was a trio of friends (all nonbinary they/them adult women) and they just stopped talking to me and quietly blocked me and never said anything outside of some vague tweets about how i was suspicious anyway and they're totally not disappointed in me just in people in general who are still evil terfs in this day and age
>group 2was two friends (both nonbinary they/them adult women, again) who stopped talking to me, then made up some insane reason (watching an anime they found
problematic) to block me and spread the word to all their friends
>person 3just a single person who is "only" gender critical towards transwomen. she popped a gasket when i told her that calling women ugly for not wearing makeup and being critical of the beauty industry isn't cool of her. i suggested some radfem readings to her, she then called me a libfem bitch??? and blocked me, kek
there were other people who stopped talking to me for being too critical of agps and/or nonbinary bs but they just quietly pulled away. i also had a friend who started putting they/them in her bio and i told her to stop this bullshit and she did, kek.
No. 2571290
>>2571216For me it was back in high school. I ended up in a friend group with mostly “queer” people because I was bi and everyone lumped me in with them. It was all girls, but a few of them were tifs. I always respected their pronouns and whatever name they chose (one was named Mars and another was Elliot, and if I remember correctly one of them had a friend named Viper) because I thought it was the right thing to do. I never really thought of them as another gender, even when I was trying to nice I wasn’t convinced. Eventually I got into one of the gifted classes that none of my other friends were in. (This isn’t to brag by the way, it was only one class kek) Because I didn’t have them to talk to, I ended up becoming friends with some other girls there. I’m pretty sure all of them were straight, but they weren’t homophobic so I was fine. Most of them weren’t very into politics, but the one who was was openly anti-troon. I didn’t care much though, I wasn’t about to ruin my friendship with her over that. Now, since it was only one class I was still saw my ‘queer’ friends for other periods. Eventually they found out I was friends with that girl, and tried to ‘educate’ me. Something like “Hey you shouldn’t hang out with her, she calls me ‘she’ instead of ‘they’”. And when I told them I knew and didn’t think it was a big deal they got upset and stopped talking to me completely. I was definitely lonely in the classes where I used to talk to them, but looking back it was totally worth it. I’m still friends with two of the girls I met in that other class
No. 2571292
>>2571245Also I circled "trans friends" but they are more like acquaintances who don't care I am a
terf for some reason. So long as they act normal I don't care but one is starting to concern me (19 year old guy who dresses in shitty femboy catgirl crap and constantly whinges he is lonely and girls don't want him. I suspect the reason he doesn't care for my cancellation is he is into me and can't take a hint)
No. 2571293
>>2571216I'm not one of the anons who posted the bingo cards but I was ousted from one of my circles partly for my
terf views, and it angered me at first but then was a relief. I used to hang out with a lot of "queer" artsy type people because I was a bisexual artsy leftist too, and they kept pressuring me to troon out because I'm sort of GNC in some ways and they kept telling me that I'm masculine and should not identify as female. I would get in arguments with them saying that part of the whole point of decades of feminism was to stop having highly restrictive gender norms placed on women and I didn't just go through my whole life resisting this gender norms only to be told I should accept them by "progressives" kek. Honestly most of them didn't call me a
terf explicitly, although they would say I have "terfy" views and should "educate myself" by "listening to trans people" more. Many of them called me a bigot. I wasn't per se ousted from the group so much as deliberately ghosting those people after I noticed they kept doing more and more stuff together I wasn't invited to, I just stopped talking to most of them. Some other people left the group later and told me I helped them realize the group was a
toxic social environment, especially after one event where two of the male troons started attacking me/calling me transphobic for calling a serial rapist in the community "he" when he came out as trans after the allegations. One of the girls who agreed with me was trans at the time but desisted shortly afterwards and told me that was one of the reasons.
I did however have one HSTS troon publicly call me a
terf all over social media because I posted about a local troon sex-pest in a critical way on social media, which resulted in a lot of my other friends privately messaging me to tell me the HSTS was crazy and they have doubts about troons too. He didn't manage to turn any of my actual friends against me even though he tried very hard for weeks kek. He was also "stealth" so he had to keep pretending to be a "cis" woman while smear campaigning me, which backfired because a bunch of people privately talked to me telling me they realized he was a mentally ill male due to the snafu.
I also lost a very close friend who was a lesbian desister who had some GC views but kept hanging out with a bunch of troons anyway. I was actually the one who said I needed a break from our friendship since she kept calling me a mentally ill bigot whenever we disagreed, but then I reached out to her later to try to patch things up and she told me it was good I ended the friendship because my politics were too offensive to her. That one hurt the most because we were very close before that. I think she knew I was right (she often said things criticizing TRAs) but since most of her other friends were troons and TRAs, she picked fitting in with them over me.
The last situation was an online friend group I'd been friends with since my early teens/preteen years (although I met 7-8 of them irl at various points). I was banned over something seemingly unrelated by the enby who was the group admin (I said theology shouldn't be taught in universities when unbeknownst to me her dad was a theology professor kek) but she'd made various threats to ban me for being transphobic earlier. Ironically this was back before I peaked and I wasn't even completely anti-troon, I just argued with their logic a bit too much so they kept calling me a transphobic bigot even though I 'supported' troons back then. I was offended over it but eventually the group voted to let me back in to their online group, and I was allowed back in, but I decided not to participate anymore and kept up with the ones I was actually friends with on other social media instead since I realized it was a waste of time to constantly argue with mentally ill people.
I think except for the second situation, the ousters were good for me. I was able to focus on real friends who accepted my views instead and stop self-censoring all the time. Some of my other friends left the groups and came to me later saying they had doubts too. It was honestly a huge relief.
No. 2571309
>>2571297Kind of OT but it's getting worse now because so much of AI training relies on Wikipedia (also Reddit, but AI training companies explicitly consider Wikipedia a reliable source). So whenever you see that AI thing at the top of your google result, it's probably based largely on Wikipedia (and Reddit). Whenever you ask ChatGPT or Gemini something, it's probably referencing Wikipedia. And as you said, Wikipedia is edited largely by a handful of power-editors, just like Reddit is run largely by a handful of power mods, many of whom are troons.
>>2571301There were more bi women than I expected, I think people are just quiet about being bi on lolcow because of the heavy criticism of bi women. I actually expected more het women to respond.
No. 2571310
>>2571203I've mentioned this before, but Wikipedia was captured long ago by NEET AGPs who obsessively monitor articles to prevent the inclusion of even the slightest criticism of gender ideology. I linked articles about it in this post:
>>2563340I don't know when or why people decided that Wikipedia was a reliable source. It isn't. When I was growing up, teachers would constantly warn against it, because anyone can edit it. These days, the issue isn't that anyone can edit it, it's that only a few peoples' edits are allowed to stay up, and those people acquire those positions not by merit by but by seniority or connections. These individuals have made arbitrary decisions on the quality of equally biased sources: PinkNews is fine, DailyMail is not. Even the creator of Wikipedia admitted that the site is partisan and untrustworthy:
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>>2569512PMDD larping seems to be popular with them.
No. 2571323
>>2571315How are troon males even justifying their claim they have PMDD I really want to know
>>2571321Same anon, but I'm just taking a guess as to why there were so many 'bi' responses on the bingo when I don't see a lot of women saying they're bi here
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>>2569725>"socialization"Yes, i do that.
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>>2571242I love pointing out to troons (in a polite, seemingly "trans-friendly" way so they can't accuse me of being GC) that PMS and PMDD are caused by a
lack of estrogen and progesterone, and a corresponding small spike in testosterone:
>Well golly gee willikers miss-madam-ma'am, you're experiences are heckin' valid, but my understanding is that PMS is caused by a drop in the sort of hormones you take a stable, level dose of on a non-monthly (typically weekly or bi-weekly) basis! What do you think is causing your symptoms if it can't be caused by fluctuations in this case?They NEVER have good answers. EVER. In fact, they seem not to be aware of this incredibly basic information about menstrual cycles, despite TIMs frequently claiming they know more about female biology than actual women. Their responses always boil down to
>They're my experiences, I can't explain them, I just know they're real!Which reminds me quite a lot of Jesus freaks who claim to have witnessed miracles, or woo-woo people who insist that herbal enemas or whatever cured all their medical problems.
No. 2571358
>>2571349Small correction, the small spike in T is during ovulation, not before menstruation in your graph. The thing that slightly spikes during menstruation is FSH, which men also have (it is involved in the production of both ova and sperm). But otherwise, you're totally correct that whenever TIMs are called out about this they seem completely blindsided.
>In fact, they seem not to be aware of this incredibly basic information about menstrual cyclesWow I wonder why that would be! It can't possibly be because the varietal of moid who believes he can change sex, LITERALLY, and thinks his perceptions of women mean he can accurately pretend to be them, doesn't know anything about basic female biology? Say it ain't so!
>Jesus freaks who claim to have witnessed miracles, or woo-woo people who insist that herbal enemas or whatever cured all their medical problems.At least these people usually don't tell you to Believe The Science (TM) and Educate Yourself (TM) like TIMs do, they know their views are faith-based or unsupported by mainstream science. But TIMs will insist they are more medically educated than you while admitting they haven't even bothered to google middle school sex ed level 'baby's first look at the menstrual cycle' graphs kek.
No. 2571365
>>2571344Trannies will never, EVER experience the pure bliss that is being a GC radfem meeting with and discussing GC radfem topics with likeminded women irl. No matter what they can not colonize me or my peaked friends.
Feels great.
No. 2571416
>>2571398You don't need an actual troon in c-suite for the company to support troons, especially since many big investors and funders support troons. Even the "right wing" tech corp moids tend to be transhumanists, and transhumanists usually support trans moids. It could also be people a little lower down than C-suite making a lot of the big decisions, it's not like a regular worker can complain directly to the CEO of Google or Amazon and get heard. Lots of big investment firms like Blackrock, Vanguard, Salesforce etc. now invest considering various DEI and ESG ratings, which consider troon-positivity as one of the factors in the rating, so if your company is negative about TRA/queer shit they may not be included in ETFs and mutual funds and similar by pension funds or other big companies. If investors absolutely don't want openai, grok, chatgpt and others to be tainted by transactivism, why do the AI training protocols continue to prioritize pro-trans sentiment in their "safety" training?
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Handmaiden friend in my old city posted this. They really never read up on trannie violence against women.
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>>2554335Why are a lot of farmers here so low iq? During corona everyone wanted a lockdown because the disease would kill us supposedly. People who warned that lockdowns would ruin an entire generation were mocked. Those who said that Imane is a man were being called racist and moid. So the woman who cried when Imane punched her was right and our true queen and was in fact abused. She should file a report and have his ass put in jail for physical abuse and violence. This should have hit the headlines and make the news but it would be very transphobic. Also when retards here try to be opinionated do not listen to them even if it’s the main consensus.
No. 2571808
>>2571129>>2571242Puberty is much more difficult and often traumatic for girls I agree, but I don't think we can entirely dismiss the idea that it's uncomfortable for
some boys too. Trannies will use it to "prove" that they have a female soul because they suffered during puberty just like girls kek. More seriously though, as a kid I did witness a few boys who went through puberty earlier than others and were made fun of for being super hairy. This would probably be enough for a retarded tranny to claim to have been suicidal as a teen.
>>2571277>had a friend who started putting they/them in her bio and i told her to stop this bullshit and she did, kek.Lmao this is so funny to me for some reason. Good job anon
>>2571293>the whole point of decades of feminism was to stop having highly restrictive gender norms placed on women and I didn't just go through my whole life resisting this gender norms only to be told I should accept them by "progressives"The fact that this was considered terfy views by your troon friends is fucking insane. I'm glad they're out of your life now anon, including your "close friend" bc close friends shouldn't call you a mentally ill bigot over disagreements
No. 2571809
>>2571097No because the trans movement is inherently contradictory and hypocritical. When the media portrays an idealised, conventionally attractive young TIM who passes well (to men) all the hons freak out because he makes them dysphoric (envious) and is not representative of most TIMs (true). When the media portrays an accurate hon, some hons feel validated but everyone else freaks out about the bad optics. When the TIM is played by a real woman they’re angry that an evil cissy is stealing their roles and misrepresenting them but when he’s played by a TIM they’ll complain about him being clocky and unlikeable (also true). Honter got as far as he did by being a good compromise; he’s conventionally attractive enough that TIMs feel flattered but still obviously male enough that most of them don’t get too mad about him setting unrealistic standards. His body is that of a skinny young man with oversized implants. It’s something many TIMs could achieve by starving themselves and getting surgery. Most of them won’t, but what matters is that they
could. The illusion of the passing troon is all about having a plastic carrot dangled over your head. Too close and you can tell it’s fake, too far and it looks unreachable.
No. 2571839
>>2570520we all know the modelling industry has always been predatory and shite but whenever i see photos of hunter or that other obnoxious TIM model alex consani (?) i feel so enraged. fashion mags prop those two up constantly and consani even won model of the year.
now, female models have to contend with being compared to TIMs, who are taller, have less hip width, and have less body fat than women: all standards the industry adores. as if these women don't already deal with heavy drug usage and eating disorders enough.
i obviously care very little for hunter or consani but a part of me feels bad that they're clearly anorexic and have been pumped full of synthetic hormones since they were children. shame on their parents. No. 2571855
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i know they're trying to make a joke about rei being a clone of shinji's mom but kekkk
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>>2569856This bingo is badly made lol, the contradictory statements (e.g. "under 30" & "over 30") shouldn't be next to each other but evenly distributed so they don't coincide rows.
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>>2569856The only "male" friends I have are both TIFs…
No. 2571935
>>2571899yeah exactly. they may not even necessarily believe what they say, but they know that they get ahead i that kind of community by pushing the ideology forward, coming up with new arguments in favor of it. Their arguments just seem retarded because they're so used to being stunted by the people around them that they can't think like a normal person anymore. They're totally inculcated in the faith where they're supposed to "listen to trans women" and "check their privilege"… In actuality this amounts to not thinking for themselves because their minds are "tainted with privilege" and "they could never imagine what it's like to be a trans woman". So they don't have to actually deeply believe the things they're hearing and saying. They just have to make sure it's coming from the right kind of person and then push it forward.
There's a book on the psychology of life in Communist Poland. "The Captive Mind", by Czesław Miłosz. In it, he described how he and his compatriots changed under the dictums of Soviet rule. I see some similiarities with the experience of living in modern SJW movements. Although their lives may not be under threat, the SJWs may believe that their whole future hinges on he success of this political project. So even if it has some kinks and bumps, they can be ironed out when "the revolution" finally comes. They say all of the problems with their movement are a result of the fact the patriarchy hasn't fallen yet, but once it does, everything will be perfect because they are perfect leaders. If anyone tries to question them, they respond by guilt-tripping them: "Don't you care about the progress of humanity? Don't you want to be free?! This is the only way forward! You just can't accept that because you're attached to the vestiges of privilege you held in the old system. You have to become a new person under my influence."
I think this book is very relevant to the behaviour of handmaidens. A couple of excerpts from the third chapter "Ketman":
"Officially, contradictions do not exist in the minds of the citizens in the people's democracies.
Nobody dares to reveal them publicly. And yet the question of how to deal with them is posed in real life. More than others, the members of the intellectual elite are aware of this problem. They solve it by becoming actors." […]
"Acting in daily life differs from acting in the theater in that everyone plays to everyone else, and everyone is fully aware that this is so. The fact that a man acts is not to his prejudice, is no proof of unorthodoxy. But he must act well, for his ability to enter into his role skillfully proves that he has built his characterization upon an adequate foundation. If he makes a passionate speech against the West, he demonstrates that he has at least 10 percent of the hatred he so loudly proclaims. If he con demns Western culture lukewarmly, then he must be attached to it in reality. Of course, all human be havior contains a significant amount of acting. A man reacts to his environment and is molded by it even in his gestures. Nevertheless, what we find in the people's democracies is a conscious mass play rather than automatic imitation. Conscious acting, if one practices it long enough, develops those traits which one uses most in one's role, just as a man who became a runner because he had good legs develops his legs even more in training. After long acquaintance with his role, a man grows into it so closely that he can no longer differentiate his true self from the self he simulates, so that even the most intimate of individuals speak to each other in Party slogans. To identify one's self with the role one is obliged to play brings relief and permits a relaxation of one's vigilance. Proper reflexes at the proper moment be come truly automatic.
This happens in literature as well. A poet writing a piece of propaganda does not confine himself to a purely rationalistic approach. Imbued with the thought that poetry ideally should be suited to reci tation in chorus at a meeting, he begins by tuning himself to an appropriate pitch of collective emotion before he can release himself in words. In the theater, the actor who plays the Cid, for example,
is the Cid on stage. Yet not every actor, even if he is young and well-built, can play the Cid; he must have an inborn capacity to release himself emotionally in that role. Poetry as we have known it can be defined as the individual temperament refracted through social convention. The poetry of the New Faith can, on the contrary, be defined as social convention refracted through the individual temperament. That is why the poets who are most adapted to the new situation are those endowed with dramatic talent. The poet creates the character of an ideal revolutionary and writes his verses as the monologue of this character. He does not speak for himself but for the ideal citizen. His results are reminiscent of songs written to be sung on the march since the aim is the same –the forging of the fetters of collectivity that bind together an advancing column of soldiers. The best examples of such song slogans are certain verses of the German poet, Berthold Brecht, which are superior to the works of other Eastern poets because Brecht is fully conscious of the histrionic process involved.
Even though the identification ot the play with private thought-property is carried very far, a large residue of unassimilated matter remains which forces one to keep alert. A constant and universal masquerade creates an aura that is hard to bear, yet it grants the performers certain not inconsiderable satisfactions. To say something is white when one thinks it black, to smile inwardly when one is outwardly solemn, to hate when one manifests love, to know when one pretends not to know, and thus to play one's adversary for a fool (even as he is playing you for one) – these actions lead one to prize one's own cunning above all else. Success in the game becomes a source of satisfaction. Simultaneously, that which we protect from prying eyes takes on a special value because it is never clearly formulated in words and hence has the irrational charm of things purely emotional. Man takes refuge in an inner sanctuary which is the more precious the greater the price he pays in order to bar others from access to it."
Does this remind you of TRAs?
No. 2571972
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>>2569856i was so close to getting two!!!!!!
No. 2572221
>>2571935That book sounds really interesting and I think you’re on to something, there. Some of those excerpts read like they could be about TRAs and certain kinds of virtue signallers more generally. I’m going to look into it more.
>>2571972You now have to take up a sport and/or meme your least favourite male cousin into trooning out, anon. It’s the only way.
No. 2572646
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old but what are your thoughts on this
No. 2572654
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>>2572646she only looks naked because of the emoji, she had stuck a merkin (wig) over her bits. Dumb but not actual flashing. 30 seconds on google would have told you this.
No. 2572732
>>2570131>what we feel internallyQuick, without using stereotypes, what does gender "feel" like?
>the freedom of doing what we want with our bodiesWhy does insurance and/or tax dollars have to pay for it then?
No. 2572772
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Didn’t realize how fucking massive Elons troon son was until I saw him standing next to actual women, for scale, the girl on the far right is 5’7”. Why the hell is he shoving himself all pver social media right now?
No. 2572790
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>>2572782Here
>>2572785Yes its katseye I have no idea why he’s with them though.
No. 2572830
>>2572790im guessing because they're a shitty pop group trying to do some pandering on pride month by making a vid with the tranny of the month? hes indistinguishable of any other blonde tranny that got popular, they all have the same level of faggotry and varying levels of insanity
if thats not it idk
No. 2572879
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I can smell all the copium from these people.
No. 2572936
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>>2569856Many thanks for the bingo,
nonny.
I guess I'm borderline crypto in the way I don't fake my beliefs, just hide the extent of my distaste for troonshit. In front of well meaning normie "trans allies" I try to play coy but still state my true beliefs that for me "woman = female human" but don't say anything about trans shit being a cult and stuff. I try my best to not talk to trannies at all, and if they try to start a convo about gender with me I always derail the topic (I used to try to argue with them in a "polite" way but got tired). I never use their pronouns ever, if forced to talk about them I just use their name. Despite all this, still most of the low effort fujo he/hims and theyfabs in my fandom have no idea about how
problematic I am and consider me to be a kind ans helpful friend, kek. I don't return their sentiment or let them in my close circle of friends though, so I didn't pick the has trans friends option.
I'm 4b in practice but not in theory, I'm not against the idea of dating/marrying a man that respects me but I just cannot bring myself to have anything more than strictly professional conversations with men.
My TIF family member is the classic art college going pretty boy obsessed awkward girl who successfully peaked most of our family when she got a titchop. Until then most of our family were your average thirdie who didn't give a shit about trans (some progressive ones believing in trutrans), but now they all think genderism is mental illness, kek.
No. 2572999
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>develop intense crush on celebrity scrote
>daydream about him all day
>fantasize about sex with him every night before I fall asleep
>scroll through his instagram for more eye candy
>uh oh
>"PROTECT. TRANS. KIDS. I stand with the stunning and brave trans community-"
>bye
No. 2573043
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>>2572999>mfw I found out mine stands with JKRSeriously though, never put a moid on a pedestal. Celebrity moids especially, both because they have even more opportunity to be scum and get away with it and because celebrity culture is inherently exploitative and two-faced. Even if they’ve never abused anyone themselves, they’ve most likely seen some shit and kept quiet about it to keep their own career. I always prefer not to learn too much about celebrity moids whose work I enjoy because they will inevitably disappoint me.
No. 2573044
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>>2569856Not on the bingo card but I did e-date a tranny when I was a teenager (and promptly broke up with him out of sheer uncanny valley horror once we met irl. Genuinely disturbing experience.) I don’t check up on my exes, but it wouldn’t surprise me if one of them had gone TIF either. Thinking about it makes me a little sad, actually. I met all my girlfriends in fandom and creative spaces because of mutual passions, but it feels basically impossible to find a likeminded woman who isn’t either a handmaiden or mainlining gender kool-aid.
No. 2573058
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>>2569856i didn't get as much as i thought i would lol
No. 2573069
>>2573053Not for a few years, actually (until I started coming across more IRL troons and realizing that he wasn’t an odd one out and that they’re all like that!)At the time, I was still deep in my woke phase, and just thought we didn’t mesh. we met online and mostly interacted via text and potato quality webcam calls, so I thought he looked kind of cute, and we got along well, so I was infatuated. I still remember seeing him at the airport and feeling an almost primordial disgust. There was my “super lesbian girlfriend” and he was a dysgenic, chinless male with a terminally online computer hunch, greasy hair, clomping around in grandma clothes and a pink suitcase he stole from his sister. there wasn’t an ounce of femininity in him, he was not only male, but full on beta male (sorry for the manosphere phrase, but that’s a very apt description) We didn’t have any sort of sexual compatibility, and he spent most of his visit doing autistic shit like rearranging his itunes library all day. In hindsight, I think he was gay, and immediately went t4t with another ugly troon after going home. He vagueposted about me being a chaser and “sexually aggressive” on his blog afterwards when that couldn’t have been further from the truth. The troon that peaked me is someone I met years later when I tried being more active irl, who was trying to infiltrate a lesbians retreat in the mountains and who would like… do this exaggerated pantomime of what he thought feminine gestures were? Like, trying to look dainty but in a cartoonish, affected way. I did go to the retreat and there were actual dyed in the wool older
terf lesbians there, thank God.
Sorry for the longpost, turns out I had a lot of feelings about this.
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No. 2573088
>>2573079>How to overcome overthinking labels>By some he/theyKekk this is satire, right? Right? Are they saying that sexual orientations are useless labels and that people should build romantic and sexual relationships on "humor" or "kindness" alone
>>2573069Nta but that description of him was horrifying. Sorry you went through this anon. And him immediately lying about you being a chaser and sexually aggressive… you just know there's a similar story behind all those posts from trannies pretending to have been fetishized or abused by their "afab" ex
No. 2573167
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Put both because I agree on some points on both parts and I live crypto because I cannot risk my career but it's getting harder and harder
No. 2573268
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This country has 4 million people total and really mediocre English literacy and this retard is arriving to the local Reddit to ask for his horsepiss using ENGLISH REDDIT TERMS. Mods also flagged the thread as [serious] and are banning jokes and comments that aren’t helpful which they don’t do for any other minority type posts in the sub. TOTAL TRANNY DEATH
No. 2573283
>>2573069>He vagueposted about me being a chaser and “sexually aggressive” on his blog afterwards when that couldn’t have been further from the truth.kek troons always act like everyone wants them so bad and they have to ward off chasers with a stick when in reality you and everyone else were literally
disgusted upon seeing them. It's so funny when you know the truth and how they all lie through gritted teeth.
No. 2573411
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>discuss troons with friend
>"transwomen are our sisters, nonnie"
>ask her if they view us as sisters as well
>"wdym nonnie"
>ask her again
>"i don't get your question"
>ask her how troons talk about us, what they say about "biological women", how they treat us
>she looks at me like picrel
>stare back at her
>"i mean of course they think of us as sisters too, we're all women"
>ask her to find nice/normal/not unhinged posts by tims
>she spends like 30 minutes trying to find a normal post
>only finds retarded shit from tims wanting to skin(walk) their sisters/mothers/(ex) gfs
>"holy shit, nonnie"
>yeah
No. 2573464
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HELP I've been invited to go to the beach with a bunch of TRA women (some are enbys) and a half-bald tim and I can't turn it down. I'm obviously going to wear my swimwear under my clothes from the get go so I don't have to change with the MAN present as the others fully pretend to see him as a woman. But I still shudder at the thought of having to look at him in a bikini or swimsuit and his bugle being visible might make me fucking barf on sight, I literally feel sick just thinking about it. I feel like I'm gonna have a physical reaction and they'll all be mad at my transphobic reaction and figure out I'm actually a massive terf. My only respite is knowing I can come here to LC and vent about it afterwards
No. 2573487
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>>2573411Even if this story is made up, I want more details. What site did you show her? Was there a particular post that stood out? We should create a book like picrel of these stories
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Trannies are so fucking disgusting. Of course they would use a statue of an accomplished woman as a toilet because that's what they view all women as. Disgusting freaks
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>>2573468unfortunately my friend is way too caught up in being nice so she never fully peaks. she always knows someone who knows someone who knows someone whose son/daughter is soooo depressed and trans and she feels so much compassion for them. otoh it might also be the reason why she hasn't cut me off yet for being a mean
terf.
>>2573487i think what got her was the sheer mass of women saying that they think of tims as their sisters and tims only mentioning "cis women" to chastise them for not doing enough or threatening them with (sexual) violence for not groveling to them or something.
No. 2573533
>>2573096Sometimes I think about how some anon's interpretation of the "progressive flag" as trannies hiding behind
poc as they force themselves into the pride flag and taking over it's space. I think it's a very apt interpretation
No. 2573568
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>>2569725I'm not really that lost in the
terf sauce(yet), one away from a bingo, but it's really just science. Men can't be women and vice versa.
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>>2569856Here's mine. I didn't tick left/right wing because I don't really like having to pick one of those sides. The ex one is circled because it's how I peaked (not really a peak because I never cared or supported it but that was such a rude awakening)
No. 2573614
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they're so scared of terf rhetoric. i wonder if conservatives so staunchly preach never even looking at liberal arguments
No. 2573624
>>2573614The fact that they don't even want to consider what a
terf has to say speaks volumes. They don't want to listen to the truth or even a differing opinion. Cutting off someone entirely because they say they are a
terf or have
terf views without giving them a chance is the same extremist view point as the nazis they hate so much. It's weird to me how much they place value on a man larping/skin walking a woman over what an actual woman has to say. Especially when it usually concerns a woman's health and safety in the world of men.
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>>2573464Anon is right
>>2573621 just hit them with picrel and they won't ask any further questions kek (or just blame it on migraines, period cramps, or whatever).
No. 2573640
>>2573624It’s so obviously misogynistic and I don’t understand how more people don’t see it. No radfem has ever directly harmed a TIM (if this happened even once we’d never hear the end of it) yet good allies are expected to completely unperson anyone accused of being a
terf because their words make TIMs feel bad and “unsafe”. But if a woman (regular or TIF) has been actually directly physically harmed by a TIM, which happens regularly (Eli Elric or whatever his name is comes to mind), she’s told not to talk about it because again, it might make TIMs feel bad. Women’s words = violence and men’s violence = no big deal, just stfu about it. No matter what horrific violently depraved shit TIMs do, women talking about it is considered worse because TIMs are the only ones whose feelings actually matter.
Even if someone truly believes in brainsex and truetrans how can they not see how fucked up this double standard is? Is misogyny so thoroughly baked into our culture that people don’t see it when it’s right in front of them?
No. 2573659
>>2573614>an urgent matter of safety for trans peopleIf your mental health is so capricious that merely seeing some words on the screen will make you suicidal, you should not be on social media much less be taken seriously as an advocate for your own mental health or identity.
Why is it on everyone around you to create a bubble where you can live out this delusion? And if it fails then they’re in the wrong but never of course you? The level of entitlement is so male kek
No. 2573679
>>2573653Literally anytime a tim gets assaulted or killed its by a man or another tim. And its always homophobia, they lied about being an actual woman and made the guy do gay shit without him realizing (yes men are this retarded) or an
abusive relationship between two mentally ill tims (theyre all mentally ill so i dont even really need to specify this). This logic implies the average rageing ape violent moid gives a shit about anything feminists say, let alone radfems, so it instantly falls flat
No. 2573717
>>2573679That or they’re doing dangerous illegal shit that gets regular moids killed too, like trying to rip off a drug dealer or waving a gun at the police. Just moidy things.
You’d think I if women had the kind of influence on men to make them murder troons we’d use that influence to make them stop murdering us first.
No. 2573724
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>>2573614I strongly believe that if you got a libfem TRA to just like, read through one of these threads, they would peak or at least sow the seeds of future peaking. Their first line of defence is making TERFs persona non grata, silencing and censoring them, an telling each other to never ever listen to or speak with them. And it's because it's so insanely easy to peak with a bit of legit free speech where you aren't worried about looking virtuous or offending anyone.
No. 2573761
>>2573724This is what happened to me. I was a handmaiden who already knew all of the TRA arguments and I wanted to learn what the discussion was like on the other side, out of curiosity. I wanted to know
why TERFs disliked trans people so much. I mean, they’re just misunderstood and “want to be treated like humans”, right? What’s so wrong with that? I started reading 2X and the GC threads here and the “They Say This Never Happens” tumblr account, and I was horrified by the violence women and children were subjected to from troons. I never heard about that before, everyone had always told me it was the other way around- that these poor “transwomen” were literally being murdered just for existing and being themselves. Those news stories where the troons were the aggressors were always buried and suddenly everything started to make sense. I started to notice the mean, misogynistic, weirdly violent way our “trans sisters” talked about women online, including the ones I knew personally. I noticed that no matter how much my other TRA friends reached out to help and be supportive of them, nothing was ever enough and they continued to complain and insist that they’re always
victims. It suddenly clicked for me, they don’t actually feel like women, they’re mentally ill men who want to fuck us and dress up as us and call us horrible names online because it makes their dicks hard. “Gender euphoria” isn’t peace and happiness, it’s literally just a man being horny. I finally understood that it’s not about “just going to the bathroom” or “feeling safe”. I peaked just from doing my own independent research, and troons know that if more people continue to read and listen, they’ll learn the truth, too and it pisses them off.
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projection from trannies i guess
No. 2574217
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>>2574200they make it too easy
No. 2574236
>>2573678Back in high school, my friend and I used to rip on SJWs together. We're both left-leaning, so it was mostly just ripping on them for being illiberal and hypocritical. Last year, she trooned out after falling in with a bunch of obnoxious theater kid suburban punk types. I've been struggling to cope with it tbh; my choices are to be honest with her and potentially lose her forever, or stand by and do nothing while she destroys her body. I've distanced myself from male friends who trooned out, but it's a lot harder to cut off a female friend who does this to herself. I know my friend isn't doing it for the fetish like the males I knew did. She's spoken candidly to me about experiencing sexual assault, unhealthy relationships, and workplace sexual harassment. I
know she's doing it because of unresolved trauma tied to being objectified as a woman, and it hurts to watch.
No. 2574248
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>>2573490The comments on this are all just TiMs squawking about how badly they want to shit and piss on a statue that doesn't even exist because a woman said something they didn't like. I wonder why trannies aren't as eager to shit and piss on all the statues of rapist, slave-holder, and murderer men that stand all over America? Oh right, because they're men, and because confederate statues aren't the current cause célèbre anymore. A man can literally rape his slaves and murder natives, but Christ forbid a woman calls you a man if you were born with a cock.
It speaks a lot to their level of entitlement that they constantly talk like this, then act all shocked and aggrieved that they're bleeding support constantly.
No. 2574256
>>2574247>"TME" is even worseThey played themselves with this one. "AFAB" and "AMAB," terms
they originally chose to appropriate from intersex advocates, stopped being cool when troons decided that
any acknowledgement of birth sex were evil. But they still wanted a way to treat women and TiFs like shit, so they came up with "TME." Basically, TiMs are only okay with sex-based distinctions if they're the ones making them, and when they do, you can always be sure that it's going to be directed at the evil ~vagina-havers~. They may aspire to be the caricatures of women they see in porn, but their hatred of women is deeply entrenched in their souls. They're always, always more angry at TERFs and TiMs than they are at the moids who kill them and write the laws they dislike.
No. 2574269
>>2574256Exactly and notice how tifs arent even allowed to have a term for males because it would be le transmisogynist violence and the poor crybaby tims would totally kill themselves. These are really just crybully men who are ecstatic they found a way to hate women in a socially acceptable way AND get to claim to be more of a
victim of misogyny than any woman can ever be at the same time. Its really the ultimate narcissistic moid powertrip and it doesnt even require social status or effort like being a CEO or politician, any loser incel can just decide to crossdress and get this social status instantly (but they dont even have to do that because how dare you imply a stunning and brave trans woman need to shave his- i mean her beard!)
No. 2574273
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>>2574217Damn you beat me to it… I'll post mine still
No. 2574347
>>2574330Agreed, I’m one of those people! I got out of undressing for the beach by using my ginger card but during one of the forest cabin outings, the other undergrads wanted a mixed sex cabin and I was the only one who didn’t. It was incredibly awkward and the undergrad guys acted like I was accusing them all of being rapists. Fortunately the postdocs and professors did have cabins separated by sex like sensible people and the postdoc women let me stay with them, but that irrevocably soured my relationship with the other students. The department head (not the barn guy) had always been very vocally against sexism in the field and apparently chewed the undergrad guys the fuck out once he heard what had happened, but I wasn’t there to see it.
These work outing are so often a source of drama. I’ve never had a hijabi coworker but on multiple occasions there were FOB Iranian and Pakistani Muslim guys who got completely shitfaced drunk (no alcohol tolerance, I guess?) and apparently acted inappropriately towards women at the beach and pool. If I were a woman from a strict Muslim background, or hell if I had a TIM coworker, I’d probably just opt out and hope my job performance would compensate for the career hit. As always, women suffer because men can’t behave themselves.
No. 2574366
>>2573800>>2574073>Is this a work thing? What kind of job has a mandatory beach day?It's not a "real" job thing, but it's a big club/association thing of which I am involved in the management. These people are another group also involved and unfortunately I look slightly alt fashion to they flocked to me thinking I must thus be a wokey TRA like them. And that makes the more normie people go "ah yes that's the weirdo group, good for them having each other" and they kinda leave me alone so I keep getting stuck with them. I don't mind the enby women so much when they don't talk about troon stuff (though the way they call the tim a woman/she/her without flinching is still so jarring every time), but the tim troon is mildly freaking me out on the regular just from regular troonery and being entirely bald on the top of his head
>>2574326>department outings that mixed leisure and work were a yearly thing. Still similar to this yeah. I can maybe feign illness after the first meeting but since we're heading to the beach there isn't really a place for me to retreat to unless there happens to be a nearby cafe or something? Maybe if I'm lucky… but I'd still have to be around and be magically fine for the next meeting so it might look very suspicious idk
No. 2574396
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Speaking of projection, they really shouldn't accuse others of cosplaying, kek!
I can understadn why he is seething though, the queen looks absolutely fabulous.
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recently found out one of the troon personal nightmares in my life is getting kicked out of his parent's house. he refuses to work so i guess he'll just end up sucking dick for crack in an alleyway or something, idk and idc, but what's really telling is that he refuses to talk about why he's getting thrown out. his previous life plan was 'live with mommy and daddy, WHO I HATE, until they die and then i guess i'll inherit everything and then just die too because nobody will take care of me uwu isn't mental illness cute' so something really nasty has to have come up for the people who were okay with letting their grown miserable NEET loser son coast until their deaths to suddenly make the decision 'we're not enabling you anymore'. I would not be surprised if they caught him looking at loli porn or some shit, because fr it feels like otherwise he would be milking a narrative like 'mommy and daddy are too transphobic to let me live, they want to abandon me in a cardboard box on the side of the road, please donate!!' but he is just point-blank refusing to discuss the details and so it's likely something incredibly incriminating or embarrassing.
in slightly bleaker news, is it just me or have troons been getting incredibly bold about trying to 'crack eggs' where there are none? i had a MTF approach me recently at a social gathering just to 'compliment' me on my 'androgynous features' and then tell me I was 'clay waiting to be sculpted' and it felt incredibly weird and predatory as well as inaccurate. I guess my hair was in an updo that day, so it looked short, but 'she seems receptive to this' when i was in a full on floral sundress and makeup is…you know how Lillytino likes to dress like a 5-year-old girl and then complains because 'the staff at these restaurants should know to treat me like a woman bc i'm wearing women's clothes'? troons should apply some of the same logic to real women, thanks. genuinely have never been told my face looks androgynous in the slightest, either, if anything I've been blessed with a pretty stereotypically femme combo, so it felt like he was trying to gaslight me for some goofy personal reason. fucking rank.