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This thread is to discuss your grievances with gender ideology.
>What is gender ideology? Foundational to transgenderism, gender ideology is the belief that one’s “internal gender” can contradict one’s biological sex.
Gender ideology operates much like a religious cult. There is no scientific evidence that supports the notion that we have an “internal gender,” and yet doctors now medicalize and sterilize children with “transgender identities” who have been groomed by the cult. Anyone who does not reaffirm these delusions is labelled as a “transphobe” in order to discredit any dissenting voices of the cult.
Previous threads:
>>>/ot/2490064>>>/ot/2473199>>>/ot/2444792>>>/ot/2373578>>>/ot/2351915>>>/ot/2290853>>>/ot/2252408>>>/ot/2191693>>>/ot/2121106>>>/ot/2097274>>>/ot/2037097>>>/ot/1991983>>>/ot/1941872>>>/ot/2405643Relevant threads:
MtF/Trans-Identified Male General
>>>/snow/2110309FtM / fakeboi / TIF general
>>>/snow/2100119Peak trans
https://lolcow.farm/2X/res/21342.html#21342Ovarit Archives
https://lolcow.farm/2X/res/38865.html#38865Resources:
Peak trans stories from banned Gender Critical subreddit:
https://www.saidit.net/s/GenderCritical/comments/54yt/gcs_peak_trans_archived/ Peak trans stories from Ovarit:
https://pixeldrain.com/l/JTwRJCYR “Listen to trans people” series:
https://x.com/marycatedelvey/status/1897370783816790064 “You told me you were different” TIM on TIF violence anthology:
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>>2506783Awe man this image would have been better
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>>2506651Not sure if I agree it's biologically programmed into men to be this clueless about fashion, I know straight non-troon men who understand fashion terms like this perfectly fine and have a relatively good grasp of aesthetics. Troons always seem much worse than regular men at understanding fashion at all, and women's fashion specifically. I have at least a couple male friends or exes I would trust to pick an event outfit for me and not embarrass me if I told them 'I want it to be sort of gothy but still classy' or 'I'm going for a cottagecore vibe' or something but there are zero troons in the world I would ever trust to do that.
>>2506655These men would not even survive one day with endometriosis periods, they would kill themselves instantly. The only reason they say this is because they think women in pain are exaggerating and they're tougher than us (despite copious research suggesting female pain tolerance is significantly higher). Sorry for breaking the unspoken rule to start a new discussion but moids saying this makes me so mad.
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>>2506802i am too lazy to poke around there. i found an image comp on tumblr that was pretty good (
https://agathasajax.tumblr.com/post/189540010858/but-no-one-is-saying-lesbians-have-to-datehave) but i miss how in your face the google (?) one was
No. 2506834
>>2506824>deserves to die painfully????
what the fuck is wrong with these people. not a single person on this earth is entitled to sex.
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what the fuck kek
No. 2506869
>>2506824I know the entire gender ideology movement is built on homophobia, but it still somehow amazes me just
how hateful these rapey bastards are.
No. 2506873
>>2506835i like how they underline every line where she semi-agrees with tifs' youth problems growing up (which no intelligent
terf will deny) but not where they differ. talk about cherry-picking. is she a mouth-frothing
terf or is she a tif in denial?
No. 2506907
>>2506891I agree, women are socialized to “act” like feminine their entire lives, a man acts like his male peers his entire life, one day of him waking up and “
feeling” feminine because of his porn addiction will never amount to someone who has been a woman their entire life
No. 2506908
>>2506901Emotionality is another bad example, there's no evidence women are more emotional than men. The people that say this can't even define what 'being emotional' even means.
>>2506903Having better color vision can't really be extrapolated to 'attention to detail' generally though assuming that finding is true/replicable. It definitely isn't an explanation for why moids have no understanding at all of fashion since having a good style doesn't hinge on being able to differentiate between two near-identical shades of chartreuse, it hinges on understanding the social norms of dress, proportion relative to body type, what colors and styles generally go together and how to bend/break those 'rules' and still have it look intentional, etc. I don't think I've ever in my life looked an outfit and thought 'this is a bad outfit but it would have been good if her shirt was one shade warmer.'
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>>2506824This "99%" statistic is painfully inaccurate. Most lesbians have sex with their fingers and have sex orally. Strap is common but remember, there's always someone topping too. So statistically, the amount of lesbians who take strap is probably very small. Plus alot of lesbians use strap-ons aren't even phallic. So the amount of lesbians who bottom by taking phallic strap-ons is probably much smaller compared to everything else. Strap-ons can definitely be common, it can actually vary a lot depending on your culture. However, this downie is probably a porn addict so he wouldn't know. Vibrators are also more common than dildos! Even with studies that use "self-identified" gays (can be tricky if you don't have a way of measuring their homosexuality, can include people who switch sexualities every other week, etc etc.) Strap-ons aren't as common as oral sex or clitoral stimulation.
(Survey in photo also includes bisexual women.)
No. 2506951
I don't know what I hate the most: The story (A woman had to show her bare chest because she had double masectomy) or this TIM reading that.
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Bleak
No. 2507061
>>2507026They are repeating what TERFs have been saying about trannies for years word for word. Trannies always do this, there's not a single argument or narrative that they haven't stolen from another community.
>it was listening to them that opened my eyes>they actually hate themselves>internalized misogyny/sexism>they constantly contradict themselves>it's a cult, it's difficult to escape the cultCan't they pick something that makes a tiny bit of sense at least? Or are we going to pretend that the entire world besides North America and a few other Western countries are part of the "cult"?
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A mutual of mine posted this and I eyerolled so hard I could see my brain. The one nonna who said that men can enjoy their hobbies without people screaming HP BAD was hilariously right. Women can't have anything. Nothing. They won't say shit like 'women matter more than Neil Gaiman!' And shame you for watching Sandman Season 2. The double standards.
The comments are all 'red flag if you're gay and like HP' and that they avoid dating profiles with HP in it. So - advice for lesbians. Put your HP house in your bio clearly cuz it keeps the loonies away.
Also - anyone got some good TERF or suffergette stickers they like?
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>>2507071I'm so tried of seeing the Harry Potter bashing, the Hollywood is full of horrible people yet you don't see any campaign against watching films made by people with tons of allegations. And I was never even into Harry Potter, I might be petty and watch the new TV show once I comes out kek
After peaking it's so hard not to see that they just really badly want to be oppressed, center of the atenttion and special
No. 2507087
>>2506635>medically transition>cottagecore punkhow is this related? is he going to ask for a
cottagecore punk dick inversion? how old is this person? i can't imagine anyone past the age of 16 caring that much about made-up tiktok aesthetic labels
>the style i'm attracted tothis is so autistic. the more i think about it the more i'm convinced this was written by a child who hasn't felt any genuine romantic/sexual attraction yet and just goes along with whatever his tiktok feed suggests. blog but when i was a kid and old ladies kept asking me annoying questions like "what do you like in a guy" i would just blurt out something like "uuhhh nice long hair i guess" because i had absolutely no idea what i'm supposed to like about them
No. 2507212
>>2507026You cant unlearn the truth. Once you stop peddling to trannies and see them for who they really are, its like finally seeing color as a colorblind person. the reason why their jumble of text doesnt make sense is because trannies (men) dont know what misogynistic or sexism means, who is the
victim of misogyny here? themselves?
No. 2507214
>>2507026Obvious troon post, women don't un-peak or at least not like this. Also kek at the confession by projection of calling sex realism a cult and… yourself posting a 'they all knelt before you' image.
>>2507084They keep letting Woody Allen make movies despite him being an incestuous pedophile accused of consistently raping his own children over years, they keep watching Polanski movies and like the other anon said they'll keep supporting Neil Gaiman financially despite him being a child-abusing rapist. The people doing this don't actually care about the ethical consumption of media, they just don't want women they don't like to have fun or success. Everything everyone does has to be a pledge of allegiance to them specifically, or else they feel incredibly threatened and insecure.
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>>2507193Agreed.
On a brighter note, this comment from r/politicalcompassmemes about TIM mods is based and made my day
No. 2507216
>>250702619k notes for this obvious lie holy christ
>Trans-Identifying men enjoy “being” a woman but TERFs dontYou cant ”Hate” or “Enjoy” being a woman, youre either are a woman or youre not. sure you might hate misogyny , or you hate periods, but
being a woman isnt a changing label like being happy, mad, or sad. thats the entire point of TERFism. its something thats so fundamental and concrete that it never changes. its like saying you hate having two legs. trannies can merely enjoy the idea of being a woman in their heads.
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No. 2507223
>>2506282Same, nearly all the ‘content creators’ (god I hate that term) I follow for nerdy stuff like HP and DnD are male and I feel bad about it, but every time I branch out to a woman covering the same subjects she ruins it by being non-binary or wailing about TWAW or calling JKR an evil fascist in a way that’s not even related to the subject. It’s even snuck into my non-nerdy interests like gardening. At first it was pretty easy to avoid the one TIF garden influencer but lately I keep seeing more and more people waffle on about how we all need to think about LGBTQWERTY inclusivity in gardening and I just wonder why? When have same sex attracted people ever been excluded from gardening? If anything, lesbians are overrepresented in my local gardening communities (good for them) and if TIP aren’t gardening it’s because they never leave their bedroom, not because anyone’s excluding them. As long as I only listen to old white British moids I don’t have to deal with that shit but as soon as I branch out to listen to other people it’s like stepping into a minefield.
It’s gotten to a point where if I hear about any woman content creator speaking positively about HP or JKR or Hogwarts Legacy (thank you TRAs and your “xyz is a
TERF” alerts) I follow her immediately, even if her content isn’t entirely aligned to my interests. We need to support women who don’t cave to the bullshit. Even if they aren’t terfy and only took a HL sponsorship for the money I’ll support them, because that takes ovaries in this milieu.
>>2506625I need to get myself a bag or a badge or something because my scarf can only shield me when it’s cold out.
Also barely any of these people have read the books and know Ravenclaw’s colours are really blue x bronze not blue x silver>>2506613What baffles me most is when they try to force team LGBTQ+ and the Muslim community when Muslim moids are responsible for the vast vast VAST majority of actual homophobic hate crimes where I live. Non-Muslim people might give them the side eye or commit an accidental misgendering but whenever you hear about a gay couple or a TIP actually being attacked it’s practically guaranteed to be a group of Muslim moids. A few years ago we had a special Pride edition of the local newspaper highlighting local kweer folx and while the non-binary transfemme faeselves all appeared with their photo and full name to whine about grandma not understanding what demisexuality is, the gay Muslim man had to have his interview fully anonymised because the last time his family suspected him of being gay, his own brothers and cousins put him in the hospital. They must be completely delusional (and extremely sheltered) to think these people are their natural allies.
No. 2507228
>>2507219Someone make one of these the next threadpic.
>>2507215It's true and makes sense but still extremely annoying that the moderation system on reddit caused a site with some theoretical potential (as a news aggregator, info repository etc) to instead turn into… whatever it is. I wonder how many hundreds of trannies are modding reddit at this point.
No. 2507263
>>2507242>the people who hate them also hate black people, poor people, women, dogs, jews, muslims, and that people hate them because they are inherently hateful and evil for no reasonBut the thing is that these moids fit that bill perfectly. In addition to beating up gay, gnc and trans-identified people they also hate and want to subjugate all women, are very racist towards black people, are absolutely nazi-level antisemitic and even look down on other Muslims who are a different flavour of Muslim than they are. (I don’t know how they as a community feel about dogs.) They hate everyone except themselves and a handful of influential misogynistic white men who they think are based.
There is zero benefit to trying to ally with these men, but they still try because they think everyone who’s ever been given an Oppressed Minority label is in the same boat. I think they’re importing the North American idea that White Cishet Christians are the evil colonist oppressors and everyone else is their
victim, when that doesn’t really work here. It doesn’t help that most of these kweer folkxs come from sheltered upper middle class upbringings and have learnt everything they know about other demographics from cartoons and social media and not real life.
It’s just painful to see lesbians and gay men and silly non-binary girls try to cozy up to men who hate them because they think they owe them some kind of allyship, when they’d be so much safer with the middle aged straight white women they think are the root of all evil. Like stop reading Pink News for five minutes and pay attention to local news reports instead. Who’s hurting people like you? It’s not Karen, that’s for sure.
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>>2507263Also fun fact, you are more likely to be assaulted by a man and a “transwoman” then you are being assaulted from a woman and a “transman” wonder why…
No. 2507274
>>2507263Kek Muslim countries are famously dog-hating nonna.
Anyway NTA but of course you're right, the issue is that troons don't actually pay attention to other people enough to notice any of this or care. Everyone is instrumental to them and everything they do that isn't related to pleasing themselves is tokenistic. They pretend to ally with muslims in a vague, surface-level way, in order to try to garnish more support from OTHER people who also ally with muslims in a vague, surface-level way. They don't actually support (or know, or even know about) the type of muslim moids who want to behead someone for being gay or drawing a cartoon, they know a lot of cute libfem girls who go to pro-palestine protests and put watermelon emojis in bio and they think those libfem girls will also care more about troon issues if they temporarily ally themselves with those causes.
>It doesn’t help that most of these kweer folkxs come from sheltered upper middle class upbringings and have learnt everything they know about other demographics from cartoons and social mediaIt does help them because they can keep up their LARP basically indefinitely around other people like themselves. Troons are not the only people who come from sheltered upper middle class upbringings - most other libfem/SJW activists do as well, and none of them know any more about anything outside their bubbles than troons do. Troons aren't trying to win over the toothless man in the trailer park, they're trying to win over their fellow college students or the girls they lust over on Tumblr. The same libfem girls troons want support from will cozy up to troons rather than white middle aged "Karens" for the simple reason that being a middle aged woman isn't seen as cool or edgy.
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>>2507026>but trannies hate themselves too!So do incels. I am not going to have any sympathy for someone who feels entitled to access someone elses body.
>TERFs hate being womenWhat? Huh??? We hate how scrotes treat women like second class citizens and call it out. To me this is like someone saying a civil rights activist hated being a
PoC because they called out racial oppression. What the fuck????
No. 2507290
>>2507274I can't imagine a woman in college like this anymore. Isn't it only the social outcast
/overweight college girls doing this now? The type of young woman they're after is probably a
terf now or even an anon
No. 2507297
>>2507290Kek sorry my hand slipped. I don't know what being overweight would have to do with anything but the surveys and statistics I see suggest that high school and college aged girls/women are the demographic most likely to have some sort of gender identity/queer identity themselves (to the tune of like 30-50% of them at this point) so no, I don't think it's true only true social outcasts support troonism unless you consider a third or a half of young people to be social outcasts. If anything I think young people are much likelier to be troon supporters because they were actively indoctrinated with gender ideology in primary school, secondary school and college - that's what I see irl anyway. You can see many other anons in the thread saying every single other girl they have in their hobby communities or college classes is a gendie. You're lucky if you're college aged and most of the young women in your classes are open terfs, that is a rare and precious situation to be in.
>>2507292That doesn't matter nonna, these are coddled middle class kids we're talking about. The thing that scares them the absolute most is being an old washed up hag like their middle aged moms, and they haven't had enough experiences of hardship to know what is or isn't actually 'edgy.' Anything that signals rebellion against social norms is seen as edgy by sheltered youth and this has always been the case.
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>>2507300Maybe, maybe not. Lots of liberals from every generation still support troons to some degree, but the older you are the less likely you are to support them (especially enthusiastically). People older than their late 20s grew up actually learning that biological sex is real, grew up with media that made fun of skinwalker males like Buffalo Bill, and probably have more important things to think about for the most part than socially signalling coolness. Gen X were never known for being into 'superficial social causes' like Zoomers are - they were the generation known for being apathetic, more concerned with financial realities and avoiding attention. I think you're thinking of Boomers because nothing you said about Gen X is accurate at all.
>It's become edgy and rebellious to not be a handmaiden in most academic settingsI just got out of school last year and spent more than a decade prior to that in academic settings and this is not my impression at all. I mean, sure, if we're talking about what is REALLY rebellious then being a
terf is truly rebellious - so rebellious in fact that it will usually get you disciplined or even thrown out of university and spat on by everyone you know. If you mean that being a
terf has social cachet, I think you're entirely wrong. I was treated like a social pariah by other students whenever I said something even mildly terfy in my classes and the academic environment was really stifling and chilling.
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>>2507322I think zoomers are the first generation to be terrorized by social henpecking that makes typical rebellion unappealing or impossible so they're kind of useless overall. I'm sad that it will probably take until gen alpha but I'm more familiar with this generation and only the social outcasts heavily support troons/therriens. I think this will blow up first in leafland, the same way it went off the rails here. The orgs. responsible for the propaganda behind this social shift will probably stop showing data soon bc it will start becoming apparent there was a "peak" to this and the numbers aren't going to continue rapidly increasing anymore. You could probably graph interest in the macarena over time and it would look just like this
No. 2507353
>>2507344If a male corpse “gets hard” as you claim then clearly there’s some nerve endings still twitching or a build up of gasses in the corpse. As for women being brain dead and menstruating - first off I love that you specified brain dead and not a corpse like the male because brain dead people aren’t dead and can still have minimal brain activity / organ function, but also comatose patients are case by case and not all due to being “brain dead”.
Male and female brains are clearly different if you wanna cry about it can I direct you to the living with dysphoria thread on the xx board?
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>>2507336If your point is that the most rabid transactivist/SJW types are uncool social outcasts then of course that's true and has always been the case. No one socially adept, popular and interesting has ever felt the need to troon out or become a 'therian' or wear a fursuit because they have better things to do with their time than making their whole lives revolve around cringey tumblr politics.
But I'm still not sure how you're justifying the idea that it's the 'cool' thing to do in Canadian universities to openly be a
TERF. If I'm understanding correctly, you're saying that you're a Canadian university student and the popular cliques in your university are open terves? And other people like them and look up to them and don't give them shit for it?
Because like I said that was not my experience in university or academic settings at all, any hint of terfism usually got you labelled as a conservative and young people in college settings are still overwhelmingly liberal and leftist. I may be missing some trend that's going on because I'm a younger millennial so most of the people I know are in the older zoomer to older millennial demographic, and the pattern I see is that the older zoomers are by far the most pro-TRA, while the older millennials don't usually engage in or care about TRA activism at all. People my age sometimes support troons and freak out at terves but you can still find plenty of younger millennials who are terfy openly and still have plenty of friends, but the younger the person the less likely they are to accept any gender critical speech or ideas. You can also look at who the cool celebrities are that young people look up to, because that's usually a sign of what's considered cool and rebellious for any given generation, and you'll see that young women tend to really like celebrities like Chappell Roan who are fully invested in gendie shit. I can't name a single celebrity popular with zoomer women who's openly a
terf.
>I think this will blow up first in leafland, the same way it went off the rails here.It's already blown up in the US and UK but Canada is still going strong with total troon support so I think that ship has already sailed.
>>2507344>brains are not sexed in any wayEvery cell in your body (including your brain) is a sexed cell, I don't think this is the right thread for biology denialism.
No. 2507380
>>2507353you (?) claimed that a male body would be unable to get hard if a female brain were placed within it. i used a corpse to show that a male body CAN get hard without a brain, period: if that's possible, it can get hard with a female brain too. same with women – if their brain activity totally stops their bodies continue to work. if they get a "male" brain, their bodies will continue to work.
you claiming brains are sexed also ignores that opposite-sexed organ transplants happen all the time, it's just plain false.
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>>2507380Science is moving away from organ transplantation into opposite-sex donors (which is mostly done out of necessity anyway) because it can increase rejection rate and requires more immunosuppression (see picrel).
>Data on transplant rejection rates have been correlated with specific patterns of donor and recipient sex in several types of transplanted organs, including kidneys and hearts. In kidney transplantation, female donor sex has been associated with an increased rate of transplant rejection, especially among male recipients. In cardiac transplantation, organs from female donors have also had lower rates of success than organs from male donors; however, in contrast to kidney transplantation, these differences are only consistently present in male recipients, and are absent in female recipients. The authors also note the importance of age — among women 45 and older, they observed a positive effect among female recipients, especially when they received a transplant from a female donor.>Tullius and his colleagues describe two important categories of molecular sex differences that may influence immune response and help account for the different rates: genetics and hormones. Approximately 50 genes on the X chromosome have immunological functions, and may be more variably expressed in females. The Y chromosome, on the other hand, harbors genetic loci for male-specific antigens. Different hormonal environments in males and females may influence multiple immune cell types that express hormone receptors.As you can see from this every cell in the body has chromosomal differences based on sex, and this includes brain immune cells. Women are much more prone to getting certain diseases than men are and vice versa, for this reason. Just because you can suppress the natural immune system enough with harsh and damaging drugs to get a dying person's body to accept a transplant doesn't mean there aren't sex differences between human organs.
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>>2507271Whatever could they have in common? It is a mystery
>>2507274That makes a lot of sense. It really is just virtue signalling all the way down.
>>2507292Being a weirdo in a dress isn’t cool or edgy but being enlightened and progressive enough to deign to be kind to the weirdo in the dress (as opposed to being creeped out and on their guard around him like older women with actual life experience) is cool and edgy. I’ve seen this a lot with handmaidens. None of them will ever voluntarily spend time with the creepy TIM one on one or consider him a real friend but they’ll make sure they’re seen tolerating him so that everyone sees what Good People(tm) they are.
>>2507358I’m in Europe but it’s pretty much the same here. The cool people don’t spend any significant amount of time thinking about gender ideology or feminism on either ‘side’. Most of them still think of TIMs as ultra-gay drag queens and superficially support them on that principle. Being tolerant is cool, bullying is uncool, and terfs are seen as uncool conservative middle aged women bullying these harmless ultra-gay men for no reason. These people will laugh at the idea that TIMs are biologically female (“but nobody is saying that, though!”) and bristle at being called egg-havers, but will also roll their eyes at radfems saying that transwomen are men because they think it’s unnecessarily mean (“it may be true, but like, you don’t have to say it like
that”).
The only exception is when it suddenly affects them personally, like when a TIM joins their sport and starts taking their medals away and swinging his dick in the locker room. Then they’re absolutely flabbergasted that 1) this gay (right??) man who’s supposed to hate his penis has the audacity to flash them with it, surely he’s not actually trans? and 2) they’re being told it’s transphobic to object to any of this. Most women in this situation will keep their head down because being openly “transphobic” is social suicide, but some of them will speak out. Unfortunately, speaking out against transgenderism automatically makes them uncool. Being cool and caring very strongly about this issue (or any issue, honestly) just aren’t compatible. The only people who can get away with openly criticising transgenderism while remaining cool are men, but only because it doesn’t affect men as much so they can then continue to not really care about it. If a previously cool man goes the Glinner route, he becomes uncool too.
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>>2507410>Being cool and caring very strongly about this issue (or any issue, honestly) just aren’t compatible.AYRT and this is a good point. In North America the typical leftist college student thing to do to signal coolness was to say 'go educate yourself, I don't have time to educate you' whenever someone would bring up any point about the harms caused by transideology. There isn't much social cachet in being an incorrigible sperg posting about HRT all day but there is social cachet in being so progressive and unbothered that you know it's 'correct' to be nice to troons and use their preferred pronouns, you're willing to hang out with them in social spaces and you're not 'scared' of spooky social progress like those boring stodgy conservatives. Using the -phobia suffix for disapproval of transideology means they're constantly associating gender criticism with fear, and it's uncool to be fearful or passionate about protecting children (most of these young people are still not old enough to realize why adults want to protect children).
The other thing is that queer aesthetics have stolen a lot of the aesthetic signals from previous counterculture movements like punks/emos/etc. so the weird haircuts, tattoos, revealing clothing styles and mastectomy scars are all lumped in with counterculture alt fashion.
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>>2507358I think by brains not being sexed, nona was arguing against the conservative talking points about male and female brains, women being bad at logic, math and whatnot
>>2507395Let's all promote operation let them speak kek
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>>2507451I'm a STEM nonna and I don't have the studies themselves at the ready (I can try to track them down later) but we can't actually determine if a brain is male or female from a brain scan with decent accuracy. So there's a flaw in most sex-differences studies about brains which is that they take some set of women (who they know are women) and some set of men (who they know are men) and then they try to map which are the most consistent differences between the two sets (a post-hoc analysis basically). In at least one study like this they found that TIM brains and gay male brains are closer (than the average straight male) to female brains in one specific way, but for all we know this could just reflect some attraction or socialization difference. Similar activation in a certain area on fMRI in two brains doesn't even indicate that the 'brain patterns' are the same, it just indicates that there is some larger-than-average amount of brain activity in a specific area. Lots of different things could be happening in, say, the amygdala and just seeing higher activation there doesn't really indicate much other than there's probably some kind of emotional processing or fear/disgust processing happening. Studies like this don't and can't prove that TIMs have 'woman brains' because we can't even tell if a brain is male or female from one of these scans in the first place.
>>2507465>nona was arguing against the conservative talking points about male and female brainsShe literally said
>brains are not sexed in any wayAnd that's what I'm arguing against. Brains are sexed in a very basic way. If she means 'conservative stereotypes about women being less logical aren't true' she could just say that and no one in the thread would have an issue with it.
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>>2507471(1/2) So here's the abstract of one of the studies I think troons are usually talking about and it shows that on some 'probabilistic' mapping of a couple dozen women, men, and TIMs (where the "likelihood" of the brain being male or female is the outcome, since they can't actually tell for sure so it's not a binary classification), the TIMs had brains closer to 'cis men' than 'cis women' but still in between/different from both. This was a structural mapping study so it wasn't about brain function at all, just grey matter/white matter/etc.
>The classifier performed at 90.2% accuracy (AUC = 0.97) when assessed in the training sample and at 88.3% accuracy (AUC = 0.97) when assessed in our 48 cisgender brains. These measures indicate a suitable classification performance and a reliable distinction between the sexes based on brain anatomy. So basically it was pretty good at determining whether it was a male or female based on brain anatomy alone (much better than chance but under 90% accuracy).
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>>2507482Oh, that's the study that picrel came from. I still don't agree with them that TIM brains are really "inbetween", because if you look at the diagram, a majority are much closer to the grey male box.
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8955456/>Six transgender women reported to be androphile (attracted to men) and 18 transgender women stated to be gynephile (attracted to women)Kek maybe those few lower TIMs are the gay ones, I don't think they list any sexualities for the "cis" participants.
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>>2507482Here's a graph showing that the overlap between the predicted sex index of male and male troon brains is almost total, with the bulk of the troon brain confidence interval aligning pretty much with the bulk of the 'cis male' brains. The bulk of the female brains fell far below the troon male/cis male average.
>The gray center of each violin contains the values between the 25th and 75th percentilesYou can see that the gray centre cores of the violins between the males and TIMs are almost exactly aligned and completely non-overlapping with the female brain structure. That means that the 'middle' 75% of TIMs had scores aligning with the 'middle' 75% of 'cis' men but there were also many cis male, cis female, and trans brains that were in the middle and overlapped with each other (upper 25th percentile of females and lower 25th percentiles of both male groups).
The scientists go on to report that male troon brains are thus 'shifted toward the female brain' but it's a cope as you can see from the graph itself. They mention some earlier studies that corroborated their finding but they had tiny sample sizes:
>Two other studies reported similar findings in transgender women but effects seemed to be driven by [36] or became significant only after [35] hormone therapy. Nevertheless, the sample sizes in those studies were extremely small (n = 8 and n = 11, respectively) and analyses were conducted using binary (rather than continuous) classifiers simply categorizing brains either as “male” or as “female”.
>seem to support the notion of a “shift” away from the biological sex towards the gender identity in transgender people. This shift has also been observed previously in some traditional region-of-interest studies focusing on single brain features and brain areas, such as the uncinate nucleus (INAH-3) [60], the insula and pars triangularis [14], the area around the central sulcus, posterior cingulate, and occipital regions [23] as well as the bed nucleus of the stria terminalis [22,28], just to name a few.>uncinate nucleusIs typically considered one of the most structurally sexually dimorphic brain structures across species.
>The INAH-3 is significantly larger in males than in females regardless of age[1] and larger in heterosexual males than in homosexual males and heterosexual females.[2] (from Wiki)It's in the hypothalamus (homeostatic control center for a lot of endocrine function) and the uncinate nucleus specifically is associated with sexual behavior. It's been thought to be related to sexual orientation specifically. If you read the paper I just screenshotted, 6 of the 24 participants were gay troons that would obviously shift the average downwards if the uncinate nucleus differences are mostly indicators of sexual orientation.
>insulaNot very well understood but is often hypothesized to have some control over self and body awareness. I could go on if anyone cares but it's kind of obvious that this isn't some massive difference in overall brain structure but a very minor difference in the areas of certain brain areas, mostly associated with sexual attraction and self-perception.
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>>2507514Oops nonna jinx but I forgot to attach the graph anyway, so I'll just leave my post up. The "graph" I was referring to in
>>2507518 was the one the other nonna posted above.
>I don't think they list any sexualities for the "cis" participants.No, they don't. They were matched on handedness and age to 'cis' participants from an earlier data bank, not on sexuality.
>>2507501You can't put a male brain into a female body or vice versa of course, we can't do brain transplants. But just because fMRI can't accurately differentiate male and female brains doesn't mean there's no such thing as sexed brains. Every single cell in your brain is sexed. If a doctor took a biopsy of a piece of your brain tissue they'd be able to very quickly find out what sex you are with near-100% accuracy (there's probably some 0.000000001% chance of error due to mosaicism/chimerism). It's the idea that brains aren't intrinsically sexed that is more dangerous, because troons rely on the idea that they can 'change' the sex of their brain just by taking some hormones or thinking about it real hard. They can't, they were born with a sexed brain and will die with that same sexed brain even if the brain goes through structural and functional changes.
No. 2507556
>>2507540>studying the skull shape of black and indigenous peopleThis isn't even a good comparison because the more it was researched, the more it was shown that two people could have wildly different forehead widths and still be equally competent
>>2507553This is like saying that we can't acknowledge that there are differences between male and female lung capacity because it will be used to oppress women
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>>2507514if the grey boxes represent the average doesn't this just prove YWNBAW?
'cause it feels like if you look at those the overlap between TiMs and regular dudes is significant. meanwhile the grey boxes for TiMs and women don't even touch.
No. 2507569
>>2507528They dont:
>Look like a woman (body structure)>Act like a woman (generally angrier and think with their dicks)>Sound like a woman (voices are deeper, when force their voice to sound higher they sound like mickey mouse)when you ask a tranny
how are they are a woman, or ask them to define
what exactly a woman is, their brains short circuit and then they resort to echoing wordsalads and pseudo-psychological allegories that dont compute to anything at all
No. 2507579
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>>2507529Regarding fMRI most attempts to find 'neural correlates' that identify sex in the brain have failed (e.g. see this study:
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1053811922008539) so troons are really tripping balls when they think there are some massively significant mental processing differences that make them more like women. We can't even reliably identify sex from functional brain imaging in the first place.
Picrel describes a more recent very large fMRI study with 5,000 kids (
https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/sciadv.adn4202) that did find sex differences in the brain, but they didn't correlate with 'gender' shit kek. The main processing differences they found between male and female children were motor and sensory processing differences (which could likely differentiate as a result of socialization). It's funny that even when troons try to validate their delusions with studies like this the studies just further indicate they're full of shit.
It's also worth noting that the models couldn't predict gender self-report at all (kek) and the explained variance by sex, while larger, was still just barely above 50%. The prediction accuracy for sex was under 80% so you definitely can't accurately predict 'brain sex' from fMRI kek, you'd be better off doing structural mapping. Lulzy that the prediction accuracy is EVEN WORSE for self-reported gender though.
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>>2507553Can you explain how any biological or medical science, at all, or for that matter any language or social structure, could ever have functioned without the knowledge of the biological sex binary? Rather than asking 'what is useful about acknowledging men and women are biologically different' you should be asking what ISN'T useful about acknowledging it. Is there even a single thing you can think of that would be made by schizophrenically and delusionally denying basic reality in this way? Has the 20th century understanding of genetics made our society worse?
>>2507557Yes, correct. The scientists hem and haw about their interesting finding showing the troon males were 'shifted' toward female but the graph shows that they were basically typical males. The shift is probably accounted for almost entirely by the presence of gay males in the troon sample because, e.g., gay males have much lower cell density in the uncinate nucleus.
No. 2507610
>>2507587Even with those differences being there, those can all vary on things like sexuality, genetics, disability, etc etc. Obviously the sex differences still stick if they're varied, but for trannies to state that because their mental illness makes their brain a bit different than the average male, they have a "fembrain" and it's is so fucking retarded lol. No Lilith, you don't have trouble fitting in because you ackshually have a female brain, you have trouble fitting in because you're an autistic sociopath.
I think it's important to highlight that in the grand scheme of things there's sex differences while also highlighting that everyone's different and not everyone is going to think the same, I always see some right wing tards claiming (sometimes troons claiming the same kek) lesbians have "male souls" because of certain differences when compared to straight women and similarities when compared to straight males. I always found it to be insanely stupid, no we're just females who like females. Of course our brains will reflect that.
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>>2507594Glad to be of service although I should probably stop distracting myself from work by trawling pubmed for troon papers.
Also I want to point out that while the 77% sex prediction accuracy rate for that study
>>2507579 might seem high, random chance is 50% accuracy. So 75% isn't actually that good as it's only halfway between coin flip and getting it right all the time. People also tend to assume 'functional brain differences' mean you were born like that but they can be a result of upbringing too, and since troons always claim that as children they identified with and acted more like the opposite sex, this should make their brains more like opposite-sex kids. However based on studies like this it actually doesn't do that, and there isn't even any reliable functional commonality between all the kids who identify as 'feminine gendered' or 'masculine gendered.'
>>2507595And what is it that causes men to have a larger body plan? Magic?
>>2507610NTA but I've never seen any study that suggested average brain size, white matter density or number of folds varied based on sexuality. There are certain specific brain structures that vary on sexuality in both men and women but the whole brain is not much different AFAIK. Male brains are bigger but have fewer folds coming out of the womb and female brains are smaller (because of smaller overall body size) but have more folds which compensates for the smaller size and leads both sexes to have a similar number of neuronal connections overall. Reduced amygdala size (within-sex) is usually associated with personality disorders like psychopathy iirc and is largely heritable. Most major structural differences in male and female brain are just inborn slight differences in body plan development and not reflected in functional studies at all. Just pointing out that two brains look slightly structurally different doesn't mean that the two different brains would 'behave' much differently which is why it's always important to differentiate between structural and functional imaging. Troons tend to studiously ignore structural imaging studies because they are more easily identifiable as male on those and instead they spout some woo about 'male mindedness' or 'female mindedness' which is not very well corroborated by science, and even to the extent that it is, still shows that troons are more identifiable as their birth sex.
Reposting to add picrel which shows there are some differences in brain structure for homosexual vs heterosexual participants but these are sex-specific, i.e., a homosexual woman and homosexual man aren't just on some 'continuum' in brain structure between heterosexual males and heterosexual females.
No. 2507646
>>25076353rd ayrt and yes I agree fully on your point comparing functional and structural differences. Also it's important to note that trannies love to use outdated pseudoscience, a lot of the time they're not even going off of actual functional differences between the sexes. For example, tranny starts taking E and eats ice cream and cries and claims that's actually him becoming a female or whatever. It's super dumb, and then when you question them on it and call it weird because women don't act like that, suddenly they know everything about neuroscience (they don't).
>here are some differences in brain structure for homosexual vs heterosexual participants but these are sex-specific, i.e., a homosexual woman and homosexual man aren't just on some 'continuum' in brain structure between heterosexual males and heterosexual females.yeah that's what I was saying, a lot of people see the variance between men and women and assume it's some evidence of "male brained" women existing or "female brained" men existing. Like people saying lesbians have male souls because of structural differences.
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>>2507646>For example, tranny starts taking E and eats ice cream and cries and claims that's actually him becoming a female or whatever. Yeah you can see this with the troon obsession with, like, pickles and drinking pickle juice? Which is not a thing any normal women do, and is something I have just heard of in a small number of cases of pregnant women or maybe people with a sodium deficiency. If troons all genuinely crave pickle juice after starting HRT and aren't just playacting, that would suggest their HRT is causing some nutritional imbalance, not that they're literally pregnant. Another example is how troons all pretend not to be able to open jars once they're on E, despite the fact that it's easier for men to open jars mainly because their hands are larger (larger turn radius) and have higher grip strength/more fast twitch muscle fibers. There's no conceivable way taking estrogen could significantly decrease hand size or fast twitch muscle fiber ratio and it at best causes minor decreases in grip strength so you know they're literally just LARPing. It also shows that they actually believe women pretend not to be able to open jars because women are prissy and weak-minded or some shit, when it's actually just a basic difference in physiology.
>suddenly they know everything about neuroscience (they don't).There's that one troon Julia something that actually has a biology PhD and uses his knowledge of biology to twist facts about clownfish and try to trick people, but other than him I can't think of any other examples of troons with actual biomedical knowledge. They're more than an average amount likely to be an uneducated NEET or have a degree in something unrelated like coding, yet they always act like they are actually science experts when they read the first 3 lines of the abstract of some study that doesn't show what they think it shows kek.
>assume it's some evidence of "male brained" women existing or "female brained" men existing.When it comes to the homosexual structural brain differences it's funny because, looking at the study above for instance, if I'm reading correctly,
>Heterosexual women had increased precentral gyrus GMV than lesbians>Heterosexual men had more GMV in the thalamus than homosexual men>More GMV in putamen for homosexual men AND womenThat doesn't indicate that het women are like gay men or gay women are like het men, so it doesn't even corroborate the conservative POV.
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>>2507704But why are women's bodies and organs smaller on average? Because of the same genetic differences that make every cell in a woman's body biologically different than a man's. Every cell in your brain is also different from every cell in a man's brain. It's silly to argue that 'there is no such thing as a female or male brain at all' when female brains have exclusively female cells in them and male brains have exclusively male cells in them. This can lead to differences in expression of DNA in every single cell in your body, and it's why (see above) organ transplants are also not as successful when opposite-sex organs are used. the Y chromosome cells have different antigens on them, so on and so forth. The brains are fundamentally different because they are male and female brains. Yes all other organs in the body are also sexed and are also different because they belong to people of different sexes.
I think some anons in the thread are getting upset about this because they associate the idea of male and female brains with dumb patriarchal sex stereotypes like 'women are naturally silly' or 'men are the only sex capable of rationality' but that's not what 'brains are sexed' means. We don't even know what operations or structures of the brain specifically cause rationality or silliness. When people say that it's a pseudo-religious belief and has nothing to do with the acknowledgement that brains are different based on sex.
Picrel is a study on liver differences between male and female livers. Recognizing that men and women have organs that are different from one another is very important for medical science and one of the reasons why female health outcomes are often worse is that traditionally scientists only studied male organs and assumed male and female organs function the same way, which is not true.
No. 2507771
>>2507751Yes, that was already explained by multiple anons upthread hours ago. One anon (who I think was redtexted for baiting and seems to not be responding anymore) claimed that brains are not sexed in any way whatsoever and that doing research on brain sex differences is bad and dangerous because it somehow gives 'wiggle room' to troons.
In fact it is the opposite. Whenever sex differences between men and women are found, troon brains fall in line with their "AGAB" i.e. natal sex. Troons rely on the idea that there is no such thing as binary biological sex for most of their arguments, and when it comes to 'brain sex differences' they argue that their brains are 'like women's brains' in some metaphysical, non-scientifically-measurable way. What they're actually describing here is feelings and self-perception (which can't be scientifically measured atp) and not actual 'brain sex differences.' Troons argue that if they feel like women, their bodies are female bodies.
No. 2507780
>>2507733This is also why it’s always unfair for athletes with male DSDs to compete against female athletes. Even if they were raised as girls, if they genuinely believed they were female their whole lives, and if they have a pseudovaginal pouch and no penis. Their whole skeleton, every organ, every cell in their bodies is male. They have a male pelvis structure, male metabolism, male hematocrit, male lung capacity and male skeletal muscle fiber composition. It’s not just our genitalia and reproductive systems that differ, it’s every part of our body.
And that’s also why TIMs will never be able to get pregnant even with uterus transplants, because pregnancy involves every organ in the body. They’d likely suffer organ failure before the embryo is even viable.
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>>2507768I agree that the argument is retarded but it was started because of an anon arguing against biological sex differences existing which is basically a TRA viewpoint. Obviously people are going to argue against that in an anti-gender-ideology thread.
I don't think homosexual brain theory has been vindicated by the majority of the research either but the fact remains that even when studies purport to find differences these differences don't amount to 'homosexual men are like heterosexual women and vice versa' anyway. There's no evidence that a male brain can become just like a female brain through socialization or HRT or sexuality. It's just a fantasy troons wax poetic about because they want people to think they're '
valid.'
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i was going to download Her because i was just curious the amount of trannies on there and
it’s genuinely upsetting.
No. 2507864
>>2507855Yeah she got really lucky, she was gendie enough that she didn't even mention it was a troon at first so at first when she was like 'oh Valerie slept over but nothing happened' I was just like 'yeah I guess that's normal.' Then she showed me a picture and it was some hulking hon like 10 years older than her and his messages were so sexual and creepy I thought it was a wonder she came out unscathed.
>>2507857That's what I think too, he even tried to entice her by mentioning 'u-haul lesbians' kek. Sadly the friend in question still supports gender shit even though she came pretty close to peaking at some points, but I'm guessing it's because we live in an extremely pro-troon city and basically every lesbian in this city has to (metaphorically) suck TIM dick in order not to be socially outcasted. Ironically she did end up moving in with some troons not long after that situation but it was two lesbian married TIFs kek.
No. 2508206
>>2507864>married lesbian TIFsthat has got to be the weirdest shit ever.
Like you are a misogynistic woman with internalized homophobia about being a lesbian, so you larp with your wife as two married gay men
Like make it make sense
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I cant find the original video of this idiot singing that awful "song" but when that happened all trans people should have had their rights evoked because of just how cringy and male entitled this was.
No. 2508306
>>2508296I wish I still had them but I used to have a bunch of screenshots TIFs posted to reddit from their grindr escapades. Lots of gay men instantly and brutally rejecting them resulting in the TIFs running to reddit to complain about the mean cis moids. If only lesbians and bisexual women using female dating apps decided to be as brutal as those gay moids, but the problem is you know you could be targeted when they know your name, city of residence and have your photos.
>>2508301I agree. I'm not friends with her anymore, although I tried to peak her and almost succeeded. It's just not worth it with people who want to keep fucking themselves over for a moid movement.
No. 2508340
>>2507864TRA in the streets,
TERF in the sheets kek. That’s why you have seething trannies complaining about people not being open minded to sleeping with trans people and bigoted and transphobic it is. They even have vitriol against allies kek, “true allies stand with us and see us as women!”.
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>>2508280Its a cringy song about transphobia that ends with threatening lesbians. I tried searching tiktok, couldnt find it only a screengrab on google, if anyone else remembers and can post it I would be greatful.
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>It should be met with celebration.
It should be met with concern about body dysphoria.
No. 2508378
>>2508370She unironically looks/seems less frightening and miserable than a lot of the troons I know IRL. I know some people who disappeared from public life entirely after their SRS (male) and also some women who started working as prostitutes and tatting their faces and brandishing obvious self-harm scars after trooning. IDK what happened to Ellen Page but I think she was the
victim of severe sexual abuse long before she trooned out, while some of the people I know were basically normal before transition and now seem do be doing just as badly as her or worse.
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Don’t they understand that talking like this just makes them look more deranged?
No. 2508399
>>2508395All this accomplishes is I don't give a shit if someone calls me conservative, nazi, fascist, alt-right, MAGA-tard, x-phobic or whatever anymore. I used to be insulted by those terms but now I know people will call me that just for politely asking moids not to flash their dicks in the swimming pool change room I feel like the words essentially have no social meaning anymore. I used to be all 'Godwin's Law!' and 'don't cheapen the meaning of fascism lest we forget how bad it really was!' and some of my extended family were holocaust
victims/survivors but now I legitimately don't give a shit. Yes I'm a literal nazi, sure, whatever, troon. Don't these moids realize all they're doing is making people not care?
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No. 2508494
>>2508490Yeah, when my great grandparents had their town invaded by the Nazi army they had to hide the local family of jews behind the oven so the Nazi soldiers WOULDN'T know about them. These modern holocaust
victims really hit different, they just openly declare on public platforms that they're potential holocaust
victims because they are so stunningly brave.
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New tumblr cope going around "I met this one tim and nothing happened to ME, so it's fine! You evil terfs are paranoid bigots"
No. 2508524
>>2507358I don't think being an activist is ever that cool, except in certain odd eras and briefly
>cool' thing to do in Canadian universities to openly be a TERFI think it will become normal to openly be a
terf, quietly. To use a dumb example, if someone imagines "the cool girl" defending a
victim from an evil bully, right now that (still, apparently) could mean a troon being excluded by a woman, for legitimate and obvious reasons. She may not be a full-blown gender activist but the fact that she would likely stand up for him if that was happening (against the woman) and people will applaud it right now, will change. Many anons find out peaking their acquaintances is delightfully easy more often and the social climate is changing. I think in 10 years, the idea of "the cool girl" defending a troon will seem funny and ridiculous. Ru paul's drag race is great example, it's pretty easy to imagine that getting old eventually to normies, at some point
No. 2508529
>>2508527You know the answer to that is yes. Anyone who had a good experience is completely telling the truth, and anyone who is a
victim of a TIM is lying or "it wasn't a real trans woman"
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>>2508522So did she flush with the toilet handle that the tranny used to fuck his own asshole?
No. 2508532
>>2508522Fuck this type of handmaiden. I, too, have had nothing happen to me some of the times I've interacted with male troons! I guess that invalidates all the times male troons acted creepy and violative toward me. Some people have interacted with serial rapists dozens of times and not been raped by them either, maybe it's because they're much better handmaidens.
>>2508524>I don't think being an activist is ever that coolGenerally not, although it can be considered cool in certain social milieus and many people care more about what (social group) thinks than what (general society at large) thinks about them.
>I think it will become normal to openly be a terf, quietly.I agree that it eventually will in zoomer social groups but I don't think it has happened yet. I have already seen this occur in my own (millennial) social group, as the first
terf in my social milieu. Now almost everyone I'm friends with has peaked but it took years. For younger people I think it will take longer because they are more brainwashed and browbeaten than our generation was.
No. 2508533
>>2508521its even worse if you tell them you are descendants of holocaust survivors. They double down, accuse you of lying, or worse. They don't give a fuck about actual genocide. They will virtue signal about Palestine but lets be real, they don't give a flying fuck about what is going on in Gaza, other than to claim they understand because "They are totally being genocided too!"
No, "Lilith", you not being legally same as 100000% the exact same as a woman even though you really really really totally feel like one and get euphoria boners when you wear your sisters panties isn't the same as being bombed and starved to death.
No. 2508569
>>2508533Yeah I've noticed this too, they do get really mad if you mention you are the descendant of actual holocaust survivors. It's just some theoretical political talking point to them, not an actual thing that happened to actual people. That's the problem with troon moids in general, they have negative empathy and can only conceptualize tragedies and horrors as talking points to advance their own goals, not real things that affected millions of real people.
>>2508566I bet a troon would still get mad at her post because
>b-but how did you know it was a trans woman?>did you make her pull her pants and panties down and inspect her genitals?>if not, how do you know it wasn't just a tomboy?>fucking TERF No. 2508675
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>>2508671Yeah I remember something like that. Compare to the Tickle v. Giggle case where some Australian (?) lady decided to start a dating app for actual females and was sued by some troon with the last name 'Tickle' (picrel) for discrimination kek. Guess who won the case?
If you guessed 'the troon' you would be correct:
>In 2022, Tickle brought the case against Giggle, and in August 2024, the court found that Tickle had been indirectly discriminated against under Australia's Sex Discrimination Act, and ordered Giggle to pay costs of the case and damages. The case remains subject to an appeal by Giggle's CEO, Sall Grover, as of April 2025. No. 2508695
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>>2508675Yeah found the tweets my friend sent me, the CEO went on some sort of tranny-loving meltdown almost exactly 2 years ago. I think I remember someone once mentioning the CEO being a bisexual married to a man? Don't take my word for it, I could be remembering very wrong about the last part or fallen for some rumors going around, but I definitely remember her being confirmed bisexual.
Sorry if my collage is messy.
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>>2508695Some of the pushback she got from one of her tweets
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Don't forget the lobotomy incident!
No. 2508902
>>2508794>>2508696>>2508695What a nasty, hateful, rotten cow. It's funny how much TRAs hate women, I've never seen a actual
TERF write such awful shit on this level about a troon.
No. 2508967
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>>2508254>>2508344Here you go, nona. I knew he'd been posted again recently and found him in tranny thread #141.
No. 2508970
>>2508967"Check your prejudice" holy shit—other than the obvious homophobia, these white men are literally just appropriating what's it like to be discriminated. As white men they never had to experience shit like minorities had to go through like minority stress and the low-self esteem for being an "other" (whether it's because of sexuality or race).
Trouncing out is a way for them to cosplay oppression and not the "oppressor" (i.e. a straight white man).
No. 2508986
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No. 2508995
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Nonnies please use some neutral terf meme for the next threadpic, the current one makes me barf every time
No. 2509015
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>>2508758They were probably already unstable (normal moids don’t have autogynephilia, there are many fags not compelled to troon out to attract hetero males) but estrogen does in fact erode the brain over years and make any pre existing issues worse. A father of a tranny son researched the literature on how estrogen fucks with moids and has an entire section on the brain featuring even studies done on male rats. You can read it here
https://mungeribabu.substack.com/p/estrogen-is-really-bad-for-men No. 2509035
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…so estrogen turns men into their worst selves but the problem with society is Jk Rowling's twitter account. It feels like we are living in a South Park episode.
No. 2509055
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>>2509035I'm really disgusted that reading about the dolls/Pedro Pascal shit led me to finding out that Pascal's dad is a fertility clinic doctor that did malpractice with women's eggs
No. 2509072
>>2509015So this would be another reason why troons are more likely to 41% after they've actually medically transitioned than before, because it literally makes them depressed and gives them cognitive decline. But whenever you tell troons to avoid doing this to themselves they act like you're trying to literally murder them even when you're giving them advice for their own good.
It's kind of disgusting that research money keeps getting wasted on studies like 'feminizing rats' to see what the effects on male troons are, we already have so little money (relatively) spent on women's hormonal and reproductive disorders that we actually get through no fault of our own but they can't stop dumping money into researching the effects of males deliberately fucking up their bodies. It's good to have this research and know what happens but limited research funds will still go to researching troon moid issues that they induce in themselves instead of women's issues. If they just banned troons from taking HRT in the first place no one would have to do all these studies but no, they need their 'affirming care.'
>>2509046NTA but the article she posted is mostly research on males. Estrogen acts a little differently in women, however, some of these effects can also occur if a woman takes too much estrogen. Having excess estrogen as a woman can lead to low progesterone which can cause irregularities in cortisol (and thus insomnia/low energy levels/inflammation issues), autoimmune issues, weight gain/low metabolism, high testosterone levels, PCOS, even endometriosis has been associated with higher-than-normal estrogen levels although I don't think endometriosis is induced by the bc pill alone. The synthetic progestins in the combined pill also are derived from androgens and don't act in the body the way actual natural progesterone does. Women do need certain estrogen levels to maintain energy, metabolize fat properly and to maintain memory/cognitive functioning among a whole host of other reasons but artificially messing with your hormones can induce imbalances that cause serious problems. It's just going to be even more obvious in males since their bodies aren't meant to handle such high levels of estrogen at all.
No. 2509082
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>>2508995I personally like this one because it's not coom or having to look at a nasty irl AGP wearing children's clothes as a fetish just cold hard facts.
No. 2509353
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enby on enby violence
No. 2509582
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>>2508395They're deranged anyway, see picrel.
No. 2509594
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>>2508522Under that premise, if a Neo Nazi complimented my purse, it means I never had a negative interaction with Neo Nazis.
Them, by other hand, if a TIM attacked me, it was something I deserved because I made them feel unsafe and there are no proof that they were an abuser (spoiler: There are always proof that TIMs tend to be abusers).
Fuck their analogy.
No. 2509642
>>2509353>light-skinned, pale or just straight up whitewhat? does she count pale blue-skinned characters as white then?
>>2509594>picrelyou just know this person would immediately cancel anyone with a transphobia or racism accusation, no fact-checking needed. but god forbid someone is wary of a manipulative furry pedotroon "without evidence" of them committing a sexual crime
>Under that premise, if a Neo Nazi complimented my purse, it means I never had a negative interaction with Neo Nazis.Kekk it is really their "logic"
No. 2509652
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>>2509642You know the phrase "If there are nine Nazis and one person is neutral, there are ten Nazis?". They know people can use that premise like "If there are ten TIMS and nine are abusers and one is neutral, then there are ten abusers".
No. 2509744
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why is it so obvious even from an angled selfie that it's a psychotic ftm troon
No. 2509853
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sorry I didn't read through all of this, it made me so mad so quickly. What the absolute fuck
No. 2509977
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Why do so many GC/radfems turn to tradshit? Why does this pattern exist?
No. 2510000
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Trannies always post this fake ass shit
No. 2510067
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>>2509875NTAYRT but I looked up this user’s account. For some reason the profile doesn’t pull up for me (doesn’t seem to be a deleted account though) but I was able to see some of their posts and comments in the search. I was leaning toward this being rage bait but now I’m not sure. Most of their comments I see are from 2 years ago, but they seem pretty general and mild TRA takes. Dumb, but not dumb enough to be trolling. I did find this deranged post about being “hate crimed” in a bakery by an elderly
TERF and a dad that gave me some laughs along the way. But I can see the previous post about girls in Afghanistan being an example of someone trying to be so open minded their brain falls out.
No. 2510123
>>2510106This plus their mental illness (specifically male mental illness) always shows on the face. You can just see it in their eyes, how they try to mimic female socialised expressions(?) but fail miserably. And not in awkward autist smiles but there's this psychotic derangement. Wide sclera showing, or too many teeth? Predator activated to our lizard brain.
Even normie men who do a genderbend dress up for shits and giggles with a wig alone look better than TIMs who spend thousands of dollars on FFS and chops, because at least the former aren't mentally ill on that level.
No. 2510246
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Im curious what you guys think about this post. Its from /snow
No. 2510329
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>>2504702>>2504684this was the troon reaction to the short
No. 2510370
>>2509589Everyone who’s ever crossdressed or wondered what it would be like to be the opposite sex is 100% trans, up until the moment they attract too much negative attention from the wider public. Then they’ve been cis the whole time.
>>2509744The TIFs eyes are so soft and twinkly even though she’s trying to look tough. Meanwhile the TIM is trying to look cute but his eyes look soulless and crazed. Idk what it is that makes eyes sexually dimorphic but it’s definitely a thing.
>>2509853I don’t think this is necessarily ragebait because I’ve seen this sentiment several times before. Didn’t UN Women or some similar organisation tweet about ‘people who identify as female’ being oppressed in Afghanistan? They edited it after getting a lot of angry responses.
I’ve also seen tumblr and even lolcow posts years ago lamenting the fate of transgender people in Afghanistan because they have it so much worse than ‘cis’ women… somehow. Those posts were actually worse than this one, though; this one acknowledges that it’s being biologically female that makes girls and women targets of oppression and doesn’t centre TIMs. The other posts I’ve seen implied or outright stated that it’s ’female gender identity’ that makes people targets and that women could escape this by becoming TIFs, and TIMs were the biggest
victims due to being trans as well as ‘women’ and it’s impossible for them to detransition back to men because ??reasons??
No. 2510499
>>2510427kek i thought trannies called the uk "
terf island"? why would he move there? what a retard
No. 2510508
>>2510088Equity prof?
>>2510123Yeah I think it's this, TIMs almost always have something really off with their eyes. The eyes are also the reason you can usually recognize an FTM from a photo, women have different eye expressions usually. TIFs are mentally ill too but they don't have that predatory serial killer look, their eyes usually just look sad or scared like bunnies or soft and friendly despite the obvious mental illness that drove them to transition. TIMs have sanpaku eyes like 100% of the time.
>>2510329When I first read the youtube comments after it came out there were thousands of troons saying it describes their experience perfectly, it's so empathetic, Colin must be a TIM too because he understands so well, etc. Now that they've noticed the normie response to this is horror they're all backing away from it slowly. Typical troon behavior, fully embracing something until they realize it seems absolutely unhinged to everyone else and then saying 'this has nothing to do with us, we never liked that, it's offensive!'
No. 2510578
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I watched A Twisted Female's video on transgender surgeries and was wondering if anyone knows the name of the TIM in picrel? She did not include it in the description.
No. 2510598
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I can't do this anymore
No. 2510742
>>2509398>>2509807Gender: A Wider Lens ended earlier this year, the archives are still up. They have both moved on to separate podcasts. Stella's is Beyond Gender. Sasha's is The Metaphor or Gender but she hasn't started it yet. A Wider Lens and Beyond Gender both do video interviews that they release on yt. The audio is the podcast. You Must Be Some Kind of Therapist is another gc podcast by a therapist, its also on yt.
Women's Declaration International (WDI) has a yt channel where the discuss various radfem issues including transgender stuff, but that's not the focus.
No. 2510875
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normally i would laugh at tif-on-tim violence but this is just sad. they are SO close to getting it.
yeah tiffany, i'm sooo sure that there's a huge gap in creative women and men that you watch that totally doesn't have to do with the fact that tims get praised to high heaven just for existing and being mediocre, while tifs (women) are pushed down and denied these opportunities no matter how talented they are. if this post was rephrased with "men" and "women" instead, everyone would know why.
No. 2510968
>>2510875Because troons are completely creatively bankrupt and feeble minded. Every fucking TIF thing I've seen is "
blank but trans!". They are incapable of thinking of anything interesting.
No. 2510972
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>>2510875At first I felt sorry for her
mostly because "are "amabs" just inherently better?" was something I also started wondering right before I detransed but then she had to go and ruin it
No. 2510977
>>2510976Eh, to be a tif you have to basically be already a doormat to men, so it comes to no surprised. Tims could shit on them and they could go "thank you, sorry that I'm only worth of being your toilet, at least I'm not a cis right dolls?"
They are just sad. I feel a lil bit of pity for heavily autistic tifs, but every other flavour deserves all the shit they go through, they put themselves in this situation
No. 2511000
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what did tra's mean by this?
No. 2511048
One thing that I fucking hate about this ideology is how trendy makes unnecessary surgery look. They're trendy, harmless, something that anyone can get, when they want! Doesn't matter the complications, the revisions, the potential allergy to anesthesia, the blood loss, the cortisol rising, not being able to shower for days, having screws in your body, pulling skin, horrid scars (the hype goes away once they become "normal"), the hormonal imbalances, the eternal curse of being a fake hormone junkie.
The ideology can come and go, but the physical harm stays. Vidrel is a random tifs that youtube suggested me for some reason, seeing the words "revision" and "top surgery" in the same sentence makes my blood boil because imagine giving yourself life long damage and hormone imbalances just for what? For fucking what, really? To circle jerk in a community? To give in into woman hatred? You would go for an unnecessary, very painful and ugly surgery (this tif mentions dog earing, google that shit up and tell me it doesn't fucking look disgusting)to be the cool kid? This doesn't make absolutely sense to me and I hate how harming oneself is normalized.
No. 2511160
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>>2511048“Don’t mind the risk of osteoporosis or stroke. Taking exogenous hormones for aesthetic is toats safe and fun!!”
No. 2511175
>>2509993This take is disingenuous and I see it far too often on here. It reminds me of when you see vegans starting to eat meat again and other vegans will point at them and shriek "They NEVER cared about the animals!!!"
It goes back to the same sort of moral puritanism, that if you really believed in the cause your ideas won't change and shift over time.
It also operates under the premise that because radical feminism is "correct" that you couldn't possibly change your views to be anything else, because this is it. The same with veganism. I say this as as ex-vegan and current radfem btw.
This
>>2509997 anon is more correct imo, and they made a good point about grifters. There are a lot of people out there who seek extreme, contrarian ideology because it'll give them a personality (or something material to hold onto) until the next obsession comes along.
No. 2511178
>>2510936Out of curiosity nonna where is this happening to you? Like on the internet, irl, etc? I never experienced someone calling me an egg for body image issues, I'm assuming you're probably younger than me but I can't imagine my irl female friends ever saying something like that to me even when I was younger.
>>2511048This is not the first time certain forms of self harm have been 'cool' among youths, even in my lifetime. Cutting, eating disorders, etc… girls and young women have gotten into social contagion communities/subcultures where it's cool to harm yourself as long as I remember. It is sad though because around the time I was in high school/college it seemed like there was a very real push by society to solve this issue, figure out why it was happening and work on discouraging self-harm among girls but now it's been actually institutionally supported and validated to the point we're not even allowed to act like it's concerning anymore. That's the part that worries me the most.
No. 2511257
>>2511207Kek they didn't just describe it as their home, they described it as their rental apartment. That's even worse than 'home.'
>Troonism is basically Cartesian dualismExcept funny enough most trad Christians believe in Cartesian dualism (ish) but they still think troonism goes too far.
>>2511241NTAYRT but there is more than one core principle to most ideologies, including radical feminism. Sometimes people fully buy in to one or two of the core principles but not the third. Sometimes people fully buy into the core principles temporarily, but then the more they think about it the more exceptions to the principle they find and the more they start to question that the principle is totally correct. Sometimes people agree with the end goal of an ideology but start to believe after observing human behaviour that the way to achieve that goal is different than what they've been told by the rest of the group. Sometimes they in principle agree with a group but they hate the way that group treats them and get driven away. Some of the people who are labeled 'radfems' are labeled by people around them and never used the label themselves (Megan Murphy is a good example, Posie Parker is also sometimes accused of calling herself a radfem but I've never heard her say she is a feminist at all). 'Feminism' has also meant different things at different times so sometimes someone who used to call themselves that wants to stop calling themselves that because of what it's become associated with.
I think one of the main reasons why some people seem to be radfems and then stop is because a lot of free thinking types are initially attracted to radical feminism (both because of the actual ideology and the brashness and counterculture nature of the ideology and the history of radfem thinkers). Those free thinkers may initially feel at home in the community but then feel like it's too limiting or like the community censors them for certain thoughts they have, so they end up moving on and trying to broaden their horizons or find other groups of people who are more willing to hear them out for all their opinions. Radfem groups going back to the 1960s have always had issues with splintering and excommunicating people from the community, tall grass gets cut style. It's never been a non-infighty community since its inception and people will eventually try to go where they feel comfortable, even if that means leaving all ideological labels behind and just settling down with a small family.
Off topic but someone who spent a significant amount of time being a vegan is an ex vegan regardless of what their initial reasons for veganism were and regardless of how 'good' their diet was while they were vegan. Many ex-vegans are people who became vegan because of their love for animals or the environment who then later started to think that sustainable local regenerative animal farming is better for both animals and the environment than veganism. That doesn't mean their original reasons for becoming vegan stopped being important to them. So it is for radfems.
No. 2511258
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can someone decipher this
No. 2511263
>>2511258He's saying TIFs can't call themselves femboys or trannies because terms those were invented to refer to TIMs and can only be reclaimed by them.
Unrelatedly, he's also incapable of keeping his furry porn addiction on the downlow and has to make sure every random person who sees his username and avatar knows that he wants to fuck dogs.
No. 2511270
>>2511160in this analogy they're trying to completely alter the floor plan of their 'home' with zero concern for the house's structural stability, and then crying about it and blaming society when the plan to DIY renovate their trailer into a two-story house doesn't work out.
then they look at the people who are just doing normal maintenance like 'painting' or 'adding a patio' and self-soothe by insisting their neighbors just don't have their massive, enviable creative vision.
No. 2511290
>>2511257>Those free thinkers may initially feel at home in the community but then feel like it's too limiting or like the community censors them for certain thoughts they have, so they end up moving on and trying to broaden their horizons or find other groups of people who are more willing to hear them out for all their opinions. I understand this completely and I was not saying that being an ex radfem is impossible. The initial post is about radfems turned tradwives which doesn't really make sense. It's not a matter of having the same end goals but attaining them differently, or only adhering to some of the principles. It's going to the extreme opposite. There may be some genuine cases but it is obvious imo that most of them don't really believe in anything.
>someone who spent a significant amount of time being a vegan is an ex vegan regardless of what their initial reasons for veganismThat's just not true. People who don't eat animal products for religious or medical reasons aren't vegan. Same for weight loss or purely environmental concerns. Vegan, plant-based and caring about the environment are different things. Again I'm not saying it's impossible to be an ex-vegan. One of the most common reasons for going back to an omni or vegetarian diet is because it is "inconvenient" to be vegan at first. Food is a central part of people's lives. So a lot of people pick convenience and food over the animals, in the same way that, in every day life, people very often choose convenience and normalcy over their beliefs and principles.
No. 2511291
>>2511258>women (specifically those who identify as men) are too used to throwing around slurs made for GNC/fetishist males pretending "it's for the whole (trans) community!" like you morons (TIFs) are trying to "reclaim" femboy (effeminate male) and tranny, get a gripNote that he's also failing to call out MtF trannies who try to "reclaim" misogynistic and lesbophobic slurs. So basically, this troon is mad that women, who he's fully acknowledging as women but behind fake woke language, are using slurs that were invented for GNC or mentally ill perverted males to describe themselves in their man LARP. But he says nothing about himself and other LARPing males like him using "slut", "whore", "bitch", "dyke", etc. for themselves, when those slurs were created specifically to demean females. "Rules for thee, but not for me".
Also note how it's
women specifically who annoy him the most, even more than "cis" people using terms like "femboy". In other words, he's more mad at fakebois calling themselves femboys than he is at actual femboys who aren't trannies, because he just hates women. Even though, in theory, he should be supporting those fakebois since they're trannies too and he's probably ok with MtF troons using misogynistic slurs on themselves.
No. 2511331
>>2511263I just want you to know this post made me spit my drink.
>>2511285This is why I don't even support drag queens. Moids feel so entitled to 'reclaiming' slurs against women that women feel uncomfortable with and then saying we're not allowed to complain because they're gay, trans, queer, crossdressers, etc. Fuck off moids.
>>2511290>The initial post is about radfems turned tradwives which doesn't really make sense.It doesn't make sense because it doesn't really happen. It's just a thing that people say to discount and minimize both radical feminism and the women who are not radfem but are or were somewhat aligned with radical feminism. No one actually give examples of these women that were avowed radfems and then went to the extreme opposite, because essentially they don't exist (maybe there are like 2 schizos somewhere that did this but they're probably bippies with no internal personality and I've never heard of or met one). It's just another scare word/phrase that troons use to scare GC women which somehow has worked and taken off in GC communities and led GC women to turn against other GC women for an apparent lack of ideological purity.
>That's just not true. People who don't eat animal products for religious or medical reasons aren't vegan.I strongly disagree with this, the dictionary definition of vegan is someone who doesn't eat/consume animal products, but getting too much into this would be a derail. Even in the case you're suggesting, where 'vegan' denotes some ideology, there are plenty of ideological vegans who stop practicing veganism but it's because they had their mind changed about how to best live out their principles and not simply because they were lazy or wanted to lose a few pounds.
No. 2511335
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>>2511180Picrel is a reply to this tweet. Xitter troons are convinced that she is on testosterone just because she’s starting to exhibit gendie retardation
No. 2511356
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>>2511338I used to be on spiro for acne and I don’t get how xittards tinfoil this into anything other than to treat her acne
No. 2511359
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I don’t know if anyone else has this experience, but at least a decade ago, before I peaked, I came across a lot of “misandrist” accounts run by tims. they interacted with libfemi spaces and every other comment was about how they “hated men” and heterosexuality. Then it hit me, these tims hated men because they were just jealous of them. This wasn’t misandry, it was pure incel jealousy of the fact that well-adjusted, attractive men could attract women and they couldn’t.
No. 2511436
>>2511431Yeah that's another reason, a lot of the genres that attract TIMs and gendies the most are just genres that most normies don't listen to as much. Not only do the bands that forefront their politics tend to do so because they're in weird genres that normally don't attract a large audience/much money, but also they're frequently in gendie-infested genres. My band is not in a genre that attracts a lot of especially 'alt' people so I don't really worry about this and it's fine for me to be apolitical as a band leader because the limited audience I do have doesn't give a shit about idpol shit in music anyway, they just want to listen to nice music.
Kek at cavetown being rejected from Sesame Street for being too childish and lame. I listened to it once to know what all the hype was about among some of my TIF-leaning friends at the time and was like … oh. Interesting. TIFs really do have a tendency to self-infantilize.
No. 2511476
>>2511267It’s weird because most of the people I know who think this way are people who were born healthy but damaged their bodies through their lifestyle, whereas people I know who were born disabled or developed disabilities or chronic illnesses through no fault of their own don’t adhere to this belief at all. You’d think the guy with cerebral palsy or the woman crippled by multiple sclerosis would be the ones saying “my body isn’t me” but they’re not, it’s the people who fucked up their health with drug use, unnecessary surgery and terrible diets.
>>2511288They hate how non-TRA progressives have less of an issue with men in dresses than with TIMs because men in dresses are less delusional and misogynistic. They might still be misogynistic, but inherently less so than TIMs who think skirt = woman = skirt and so attract less criticism.
>>2511351I think postmenopausal women are sometimes given testosterone as HRT but this is HRT in the original sense, replacement of hormones that were originally there before menopause, and nowhere near the level TIFs inject themselves with. Even the East German female athletes didn’t get the amount of testosterone TIFs voluntarily inject themselves with and look what happened to them.
No. 2511491
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>>2511000This isn't about MTFs necessarily, but one of the things that truly baffles me is the ludicrous seething they have for anyone who dresses outside of the binary. Feels like all it takes is to be a progressive who secretly has really rigid 1950s ideas of what men and women should be like, and trick yourself into thinking that because you don't look like a bimbo or really feminine that you're secretly a man or something. I forget when and where that one anon said it with a huge wall of text but it feels like being a TRA places anyone firmly in the left wing when they're actually super regressive luddites.
The trans movement just seems to have a right to go men wear blue pants and run the house and women wear pink spinny skirts and stay in the kitchen, and everyone else is just supposed to be okay with it (because of suicide, social ostracization, actually oppressive gender roles can be affirming sometimes, etc). Meanwhile if the commiest commie to ever commie or someone else who is super left wing thinks troons are a waste of time they're super alt righters. How did troons manage to hijack politics this badly? I don't want to hear that shit from anybody. I don't care if they're a fucking tranny and needs the subjugation of gender roles to not kill themselves.
No. 2511518
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No. 2511539
>>2511518When will TIFs wake up and revolt against TIMs? I swear at this point TIFs are the worst and most pathetic handmaidens of all, they get absolutely no benefits from participating in troon culture other than osteoporosis and balding at age 25 and all they get for their trouble of constantly caping for troon moids is unhinged seething hatred and denigration 24/7. A plain white tshirt with a pro-troon slogan is enough for moids to seethe and compare them to the evil white MAGA demon and they just go back to washing TIM feet, I don't get how you can be this fucking pathetic as a woman, especially a woman that's pretending to be a moid to seem based and assertive and unbothered or whatever they think they're doing.
Then they'll complain that they're not getting true and honest respect from the normies when they try to get their flowercrown superwholock art shown at the local gallery or do a performance art piece of a genderqueer handholding cuddle pile (true story a couple TIFs I know did this as an actual gallery exhibit) while having a short haircut but TIMs can laugh at them and egg their house and they will just go right back to glazing the TIM 5 minutes later because they feel guilty about their Male Privilege and the fact they pass better as long as they stay off grindr. The actual depths of self hatred these women have even after realizing they can't escape the effects of the patriarchy and moidhatred and have ruined their bodies (no, not in the 'I cut off my boobs and am ugly' way, in the 'I experienced vaginal prolapse on the way to school and have glass bones' way) are actually unfathomable. I used to feel really bad for TIFs but unless they were transitioned by force as children I have stopped caring for the most part because they never cape for women the way they cape for TIMs no matter how many indignities they're subjected to by the same moids who gleefully flash their dicks at 8 year old girls in the pool change room.
No. 2511542
>>2511518Trannies literally stole all their slogans from other minorities lmao. It's even worse for them since at least TIFs are part of trannies, but trannies latched onto completely different communities.
>>2511520Derailing + learn2reply but atp you have to be retarded to misunderstand veganism this bad. Sad to hear stuffing your face with locally sourced meat and dairy didn't help with your reasoning capabilities. "Muh sustainable agriculture" and "raising and killing animals this specific way is good for them!!" is not relevant. It's not the point. You can keep eating meat without trying to find fault with people who choose not to.
(derailing) No. 2511546
>>2511520 >>2511542
Thank you the point of veganism is that you don't do things that harms animals. Killing an animal harms them no matter what muh regenerative farming or whatever happens in the process. This is not a difficult concept
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this dumbass HSTS in the mtf thread
>>2114743 , why are nonas flocking to say “acktually HSTS are not the bad guys… we must join forces to overthrow the true evil of AGPs!”
i cant understand why radfems are ok with HSTS when even this guy in this exact post shows how his thought process is based on misogyny, and thinks women have an easier “normal” time dating, somehow. the worst problem in this incel’s life is he cant find a boyfriend kek and its all his own fault for deluding himself into thinking he’s a woman and transitioning. even when he’s drunk and probably dwelling on the worst catastrophes in his life thats all he can come up with. not relatable at all YWNBAW
No. 2511628
I will never understand tifs who go by he/him but are hyperfeminine. No one is gonna call you "he" if they see you, you are totally fine in feminine passing, you don't mind stuff normally connected to women, have women interests, female socialized, yet they shot T and go by he/him. It will never make sense to me because at this point, where's the difference in being a man or a woman, for them? Why are pronouns, which is the only difference in between them and a "woman" for them, so important? Is a croaky voice really affirming? I peaked 8 years ago so no, I'm not asking these questions out of ignorance, I very well know my little disordered people, but why? What's the core motivation and what makes them feel confident??
No. 2511639
>>2511048Because everyone else is doing it. Many non gendies also get fillers, BBLs, boob jobs, lipo, facelifts, fake muscle implants, hair transplants for receding hairline or to give themselves a beard, and more. Body modifications are downright pedestrian now. Sure, there are side effects, and a lot of deaths, but it's cute and fun to giggle with the girls about their septic Mexico boob jobs. It's girl math, but for bodies.
Plastic surgery has become so normalized that people genuinely forget that it has risks. To gendies, their booby bye bye isn't an irreversible medical procedure loaded with risks, it's a fun little badge of honor that happens to need some revisions every so often, just like the cool girls need to redo their lip fillers. Therefore anyone who expresses concern at the way they're throwing irreversible treatments and surgeries at their bodies is a transphobe and must be shunned.
I really don't think they understand what 'permanent' means. Boob jobs exist but there needs to be enough strong healthy skin and muscle for the implant to fit and stay in place, which most TIFs don't have, due to the endless complications and revisions they need. Implants won't give back the breast tissue they need to breastfeed any children they decide to have. Implants can rupture or cause sickness. It's not a one and done forever. But to TIFs, it's the obvious and easy fix to their problems if they ever decide to stop being 300lbs Bakugo and go back to being a boring bitch with like a job and shit. They just don't give a shit about their health or their lives as long as they get enough likes from strangers on the internet to feel like they're part of a community.
No. 2511640
>>2511639>stop being 300 lbs Bakugou and go back to being a boring bitch Kek
nonnie you have a way with words
No. 2511686
>>2511644I'm convinced they believe the hormone stuff to be reversible. You take T for a couple of years, get your asspats, then stop and all changes will revert back. They don't see (or don't want to see) the permanent damage it does to their bodies.
I btw blame TIM and their reckless blanket recommendation of HRT for every woe for this.
No. 2511800
>>2511559>HSTS are misogynistic but they're not a rape threatThis is basically the troon version of "yeah, my nigel cheats but at least he's not
abusive!". Why is the bar so low for moids that not being a rapist gives them points, why is being misogynistic, lesbophobic and actively destroying feminism not more than enough to hate them? Hsts have defended AGPs all throughout this mess and are the reason they even get to call themselves women in the first place. Are we forgetting Hsts started the whole "you don't need dysphoria to be trans!" that allowed every pervert with a dykebreaking fetish to call himself butch and start swinging their dicks in lesbian only spaces?
No. 2511822
>>>/snow/2110309> The cashier at the fast food restaurant will just open the women's one for me, sometimes even if I ask for the men's one. […] I'll unfortunately have to keep using the women's ones. I hate it, it's uncomfortable every single time, I hate how when a friend or my mom or someone drags me into one and then talks to me over the stalls and I have to respond with my disgusting manvoice. But with the alternative being men's bathrooms, using which has genuinely had me kicked out of pubs and harassed before, what other choice do I have?hopefully i embedded the link to this post right
anyways if this dumbass is still lurking ALL YOU NEED TO DO is use your 'disgusting manvoice' to insist 'no, i'm a man' if anyone tries to kick you out of your own restroom. and if they kick you out you literally can claim oppression and sue for discrimination THEN, not before. also 'my mom and friends drag me in and force me to use the women's restrooms even thought i hate it!!' feels like a forced-fem sissy RP, ngl, but if you genuinely hate it so much TELL THEM TO STOP instead of just being like 'uwu the girls around me MAKE me do it no matter what!' you have to stand up for yourself and what you want at some point in your fucking life, man.
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The United States has released what is basically its parallel to the Cass review. Unfortunately it was ordered by MAGAtards but the language in the document itself is fairly neutral, no trumpisms in there so far. It seems to have come to the same conclusion as every other tranny healthcare review so far: “evidence is inconclusive for how good this actually is”.
It also brings up some interesting points about how the desired effects of “gender affirming care” would be considered deleterious under any other circumstance I.e the frog voice and balding is a desired effect of T but would be considered a serious adverse side effect if psychiatric medication for depression were to cause it.
It’s 409 pages but I encourage nonnies to skim it and post interesting finds, if you’re earnestly invested in how shoddy the healthcare is, which is one of the most fascinating parts of the gender cult to me.
Researchers chose to remain anonymous for fear of backlash, and it’s already been smeared as literal genocide and propaganda before it was even released. read it here:
https://opa.hhs.gov/sites/default/files/2025-05/gender-dysphoria-report.pdf No. 2511896
>>2511628These types have a lot of internalised misogyny and believe that women who xyz are basic bitches, but ‘boys’ who do xyz are interesting and transgressive. They don’t actually want to be physically male, they just want the status of being very special and more interesting than the other girls.
>>2511644It proves their commitment to the subculture. This is also why some TIFs suddenly get double mastectomies when they never had a problem with their breasts before. It’s the trans equivalent of getting an ugly haircut or tattoo or piercing to fit in with the rest of the group and not be seen as a poser, except with much more serious health consequences.
>>2511822It absolutely is forcefem sissy bullshit.
No. 2511915
>>2511890Ayrt, EXACTLY!! That was what I was thinking too, he called us bitches (derogatory) and acted like the biggest
victim ever. I can't believe we take such an L and coddle these prolapse assholes so much.
No. 2512058
>>2511958Most of the "trutrans" TIFs are like that. They don't actually want to be men. They just want to "escape" society's expectations of womanhood, in a way that only reinforces gender stereotypes rather than refutes them.
The ones I feel absolutely no sympathy towards are the "tucutes"/AAPs that are just repulsive misogynistic handmaidens, devoting their worthless fucking lives to worshipping moids and AGPs with their disgusting "t4t" shit.
No. 2512072
>>2511556I’m in a middle of the road position with HSTS like I am with fags because that’s what they are. They are, at the very least, oppressed on the axis that they are gay men and have all the associated difficulties of same sex relationships, like homosexuality being criminalized in several countries and even more not recognizing gay marriage, and they probably have to see the same retarded incels that were homophobic to him then troon out and claim that they’re more oppressed and speshul than him because they’re brave and stunning lesbians, which has to be frustrating, and, in my country, you see fags have entire female friend groups, so clearly they please your average normie woman enough to keep him around and accept him, trooned out or not.
Doesn’t change that gay men are men, ergo still misogynistic, and that HSTS specifically chasing after straight moids is as stupid as AGPs preying on lesbians (the HSTS is definitely at a disadvantage though because it is at least a man vs man thing there and a slighted straight scrote will go ballistic on him, whereas a lesbian is on the back foot trying to prevent Lilith from creeping on her).
HSTS at least have some actual legacy and place in the LGB. That comes with all the associated shittiness of gay moids. Not worth caping for on a website specifically for women. Glad this tard got banned, if he knows he isn’t a woman what did he expect to happen when he posted kek.
No. 2512074
>>2511556Women flock to defend gay men because women are socialized to see men as people and empathize with them while those same men would never do the same for women, even if they wouldn't rape them either. He clearly doesn't get what the issue is and he clearly doesn't get that he is part of it which is pathetic and loserish but I think a lot of women right after they peak (myself included for a brief time) still try to accommodate the 'good ones' to feel better about ourselves and feel like we aren't mean, evil hateful bigots who hate all TIMs. At the end of the day most women who peak get past that phase though and realize all of them are contributing to the exact same problem. You still have to be incredibly misogynistic as a male to think you can 'become' a woman (even half-heartedly like that moid) and are entitled to using women's spaces. If he doesn't think he's a woman and knows women can clock him why does he go in women's bathrooms? Why is he pitying himself for not being able to date straight men if he knows he's not a woman? He cares more about dating straight men for some bizarre reason than the women he's undoubtedly scared by going in their private spaces. He knows people like him are what allowed AGPs to get their way but he doesn't care because he wants to date straight men.
>>2511843Me too. The HSTS in the /snow/ thread and his arguments actually remind me of that one Barbie troon who used to frequent GCdebatesQT and pull this same shit of 'I don't waaant to invade women's spaces but I have to because I pass so well! I know I'm not a woman btw but I'm not harming anyone, it's women who want me to be one of them so badly that I just have to comply!' Same moid who tried to make an analogy to troonism by saying "oat milk and soy milk are just labeled milk in the store and when you go to the store and tell someone you want milk, they actually assume you want soy milk! Functionally it's the same thing but it's even more milk than real milk actually!"
No. 2512110
>>2511569Right?
>I just wanna live my lifeSo do women, and yet men won't leave us alone, stop murdering us or enter our spaces.
No. 2512140
>>2512103Did a troon post something?
What is happening with all these trannies flocking in to defend themselves? Don't they get it? They are the problem
No. 2512143
>>2512072Of course gay men are part of the LGB because they are gay, but that doesn't absolve them of wronging women by trooning out. Just being part of a minority group isn't an excuse to harm other people. If HSTS moids were so frustrated by AGP moids making them look bad they should have stopped promoting troonism, called out AGPs, and advocated against gender ideology on behalf of women (since their voices matter to society more than ours by virtue of being men. Instead they advocated for AGPs with their whole chest for decades and used themselves to trojan horse AGPs in to female spaces and destroy laws protecting women. They have always been on the same side as AGPs.
>>2512140Yeah a troon posted porn and some screed about how female sexuality is actually just autosexuality kek. Really helping their case here.
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This is unrelated to Lorde but I'm always surprised when I see posts by theater TIFs about taking testosterone, is it even possible to train away the crackly frog voice? Ever since Ellen Page trooned out she sounds horrific it seems so unlikely their voices would sound good
No. 2512209
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So any woman that beats a man should go to the men’s league? Should Katie Ledecky compete with men then? This argument is so retarded and disingenuous, letting males play in women’s sports isn’t fair play, you are actively removing opportunities. For every TIM you add you lose a spot that belonged to a woman. I don’t care if said scrote ends up last.
No. 2512235
>>2511628KEK i saw this same person in my recs and i thought of posting from just the thumbnail, i didnt even click on it and hear that she has the frog voice, good god
>>2511641id say that anytime any woman starts injecting testosterone in general. its a travesty, seriously
No. 2512268
>>2512195Sure, but if you're on the MTF thread, you're at the very least expected to have peaked and to be gendercrit. This isn't 4chan, nor one of those tranny on tranny violence subreddit circlejerks, there's plenty of other places where trootrans troons can go shit on other uglier troons to feel better about their revolting existence, this one on a female only imageboard isn't one of them.
>>2512143They're desperate to pretend all women have AGP when only a small portion of brainwashed BDSMfag handmaidens is mindbroken enough to be aroused by her own subservience to moids. And even then, those women are still
victims of patriarchy and pornsick men, they didn't become the way they are by gooning to too much sissy porn and lolicon moeblobs during the pandemic.
No. 2512269
>>2512209Holy fucking misogyny. Handmaidens need so much therapy it's not even funny.
What compels them to cape for their oppressors? They are no different from mothers who let their scrotes rape their children.
No. 2512291
>>2512268AYRT and I'm not defending them, I'm just saying that from what I've observed there are plenty of non-peaked women on lolcow in general, and in the /snow/ thread specifically. I don't like it either but I'm just not very surprised. I've seen plenty of HSTS-and-TIF-defending posts in my years of reading that thread and even plenty of posters defending DSD male athletes as 'real women' or saying they feel sorry for HSTS troons in this thread.
>pretend all women have AGP when only a small portion of brainwashed BDSMfag handmaidens is mindbroken enough to be aroused by her own subservienceAnd even that isn't actual AGP no matter how much they want to pretend it is. The moid actually said that women 'have to feel pretty/attractive/wanted as part of their own selfish sexual desires' kek as if wanting your partner to actually like you is some form of autosexuality or is selfish. Only a troon would consider it sexually selfish to want to have consensual sex.
>>2512263>>2512276I agree with the second nonna that feeling like you have to vote for a party (whether you call it single-issue voting or not) because of your long-held beliefs doesn't mean you've become conservative, which is part of why I think the rad to trad pipeline shit is a misnomer in the first place. Usually people really are just describing women who have fairly consistent views actually but feel more represented or accepted by conservatives due to the intense hatred for GC women on the left currently. Re: Terri Strange I might be misremembering but wasn't she actually playing housewife for some tradmoid for a long time while implying/pretending she was in a lesbian relationship? I'm not sure what's going on with her but it seems like some kind of extreme mental illness and she has always seemed like an absolute lunatic to me, even when I first heard about her many years ago. I never really viewed has as a radfem icon to begin with but you're probably right that she's the best example of rad-to-trad I've ever seen and she's clearly not typical.
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Mega kekaroni holey shit. How much does top surgery cost? All those thousands of dollars could 100% be used on something useful like a car or college tuition. God, if I had that money I'd pay off a shit ton for my stem degree. All the comments are saying "your sister's education doesn't matter compared to your mental health" kek
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I know a lot of the nonas here are pissed at the handmaidens in the TIM thread, but I'm thankful for the nonas who put their foot down for us. I'm naive and almost wanted to pity the moid (in the first few paragraphs, at least) but if nonas hadn't spoken up I wouldn't have noticed all the hypocrisy. I love you nonas and your efforts to keep the site together, if you are reading this. It reminds me that women are not a lost cause and we are worth fighting for, always.
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>>2512325Picrel is just one estimate but if the average is around 10k, and revision surgeries let's say are 2500, and they get multiple revision surgeries (which they usually do), it can easily come to 20k or more for FTMs including anaesthesia costs, hospital or hotel stays, etc. plus travel if they are flying somewhere for the surgery. For MTFs it could be cheaper for top surgery since they usually get fewer revisions. TIMs usually end up spending way more than TIFs (like in the 100k range) because they do all the facial surgeries, Adam's apply revisions, vocal cord surgeries etc. as well as the breast augmentation and occasional SRS while TIFs get 'bottom surgery' very rarely and usually don't get any facial surgeries.
No. 2512352
>>2512186TIFs wish they had my natural tenor range. Or contralto apparently is what it's called
>>2512349Jeez, that could be used for multiple secondhand cars or a good two or three years' worth max of college tuition. I hate how selfish trannies are.
No. 2512355
>>2512325The TIF i knew paid 10k for hers. Her parents paid for it. She would bitch about wanting to move out of her parents home then had them pay for top surgery….
Idk how anyone can support troonism.
No. 2512373
>>2512349jfc, these prices are insane. I've worked at Starbucks just about 2 years and met 3 tifs already. One of them had top surgery at 19. My manager for one week was a TIM but kept getting bullied, so he quit. kek
They get all this done just to not pass. Just be GNC instead. Trannies are retarded.
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>>2512330The worst thing about the handmaidens on that thread is them claiming that troonism 'used to be' a movement of mostly harmless HSTS moids until recently. It never was. Even Lili Elbe, the most famous historical troon of all time who got a uterus transplant from a real doctor in 1931, was an AGP. Martine Rothblatt, who has probably been the single biggest funder of transactivism, started out in straight male crossdresser fetishist advocacy groups in the 1980s/1990s. When will this lie that AGPs hijacked the HSTS movement fially die? I don't want to post in the /snow/ thread because it's not milk but I wish the nonnas from there realized this.
No. 2512405
>>2512373Doesn't starbucks pay for their surgeries? I thought that's why so many troons went to work for starbucks.
>>2512399He went septic and died soon after.
No. 2512406
>>2512330Nona this is so sweet ♥︎
It can be very hard to resist the societal conditioning many of us have grown up with that tells us making scrotes feel comfortable should be our top priority. Very grateful to have a place we can be (mostly) free to assert ourselves without men and their handmaidens telling us to be quiet and behave
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>>2512330yea hell no I pissed him off so much with my response that him or just another lurking moid had to come out of the woodwork and screech at me about "how he's just a heckin'
victim and he can't help but to pee next to women!!!!"
God I hate men so fucking much.
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I'm so sick of seeing this shit on NEOPETS. it's all they've been talking about for a fucking month on the neoboards.
No. 2512442
>>2512435AYRT No. for context their mods earlier in April were deleting a ton of pro-trans boards (based) and they've been throwing shitfits ever since. Because TNT barely does anything it's just resulted in these kinds of threads all the fucking time. They're starting to infight, I saw one TIM regular whining about how none of the pages were written by other TIMs or something like that.
I'm pretty sure these same people bullied TNT out of releasing a harry potter themed outfit for lupe day, it was leaked but didn't actually come out
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>>2512432Wtf I logged in for the first time in around a year or so tonight and they and absolutely flinging tranny turds everywhere. This is unbearable.
No. 2512534
>>2512432This stuff is flooding Transformice, too. It's so sad; I thought maybe a more niche game like that would be safer. I haven't checked the forums but in game people are constantly talking about being trans or gay or nonbinary or just making endless sex jokes. One girl (not me) tried to point out that it is pretty weird and groom-y to have the chat in a kids' game be filled with constant talk about cocksucking and piss and everyone else got really offended and she got kicked out of her tribe.
A TIM came into the chat and just told everyone about his botched circumcision unprompted then revealed he's trans. I love that his username still includes a male name, presumably his real name, and he'd have to abandon the account or pay real money to change it lol. One of the regulars is a super annoying chick who marked her profile as male and told everyone she's he/they
except for her boyfriend. Back when I was a kid playing this game, there was literally one time I remember anyone giving a shit about pronouns and it was when I described another player as an annoying guy and they suddenly blew up in rage that I hadn't taken the time to go check their profile and see the "female" marker while in the middle of playing to make sure I didn't misgender someone while offhandedly calling them an asshole while talking to someone else. As a kid I thought I'd just run into a mega bitch, but now I wonder if I set off a tranny's narc rage.
One round the map was a playermade one consisting of a mouse marching across the screen with a pride flag, and at first several people were just glazing it even though it was an incredibly boring map that sucked to play (most art maps are, and usually everyone points this out, but it doesn't count if it's gay I guess) but then someone noticed the player who had made it was an evil wrongthinker and suddenly they were all so sad and bemoaning the wasted potential. Someone asked what he did and the other person DM'd her because they didn't want to even say it out loud. I tried looking it up but either whatever the guy did/said is all behind closed doors, or they're unpersoning him for saying he thinks neopronouns are silly and latinas aren't hot.
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>>2512432chickensmoothie is another children's pet game that has been infested with gendies. I cringe every time pride pets are released. this shouldn't be allowed in a children's site.
No. 2512543
>>2512531Jfc, the state of neopets in 2025.
Also, I actually didnt think neopets was still a thing in 2025.
No. 2512553
>>2512531KEKKING at this list
>join fun community+1 for admitting it's a trend
>become more interestingThis one only applies to interest they have for themself, nothing changes and nobody else cares about their gender
>peers will think youre cool+1 for admitting it's a trend
>access new haircutsBecause girls have long hair and boys have short hair, right? So if you switch genders, you can dress how you want. They are NEVER beating the conservative allegations.
>new nameSame as above and you can also just do this anyway
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>>2512550Last time I played neopets stuff like this wasn't allowed at all but I guess now you can just talk about shooting up hormones all day on a kids' game
No. 2512598
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>>2512291>plenty of posters defending DSD male athletes as 'real women' or saying they feel sorry for HSTS troons The early posts in the Imane Khelif thread (and many posts on the earlier iteration of gc thread before the imane thread was created) clearly showed that, yeah. It was understandable in the beginning where there wasn't enough info, but even after it was revealed that he was a lying scrote way too many anons still kept kissing his ass.
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She's hilarious but what did the troon expect when he broke the law? An officer even tried warning him beforehand too, how coddled could he get?
No. 2512640
>>2512370Too real lmao even in their own version of the story the selfishness and retardation jumps out so imagine if we could get an accurate version
>>2512389Yes thank you for reminding me of another reason why I hate trannies. I used to love GNC characters and even made my own characters (in games etc) that way and now I immediately associate it with gendies because they always troon out the characters. We regressed so fucking much
No. 2512721
>>2512619British TERFs:
>eloquent essays and sharp witAmerican TERFs
>tranny tranny tranny tranny come get me tranny you're not gonna do shit tranny male man man man sir sir sir tranny tranny tranny go 41%God bless America
No. 2512725
>>2512721The American method is more sensible because trying to use logic with men is like trying to use logic with a chimpanzee
It's just not gonna learn because it doesn't have the frontal lobe development required.
Save the debates for women.
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>>2512679I love her so much, her listen to trans people series is absolute peak
No. 2512764
>>2512662But that's nonsense, these HSTS moids who try to get sympathy from women always claim they 'know they're not women really' but it's not like they didn't go along with the law changes and if they're invading female spaces, they are invading female spaces regardless of whether they think they're literally female or not. So either (before it was legal) they were knowingly breaking the law as men entering female intimate spaces or they started doing so after the law change and thus fully took advantage of and supported the laws that let them encroach on female spaces. A moid who's skinwalking women and entering female intimate spaces and 'letting' people call him a woman is not any less threatening just because he turns around on an anonymous internet space and says 'but I know I'm biologically male.' We KNOW you know you're biologically male, all moids know they're biologically male, that doesn't make them special. The changes were mainly caused by AGPs because there have always been more AGPs than HSTS moids, but HSTS moids weren't on the front line fighting this shit, they were right there with the AGPs. Why are you still caping for these moids? There is no real important functional difference between a moid with a squeaky voice encroaching on female intimate spaces, protection laws and language and a moid with a low scary voice doing the same. HSTS have not existed for any longer than AGPs, and there isn't really a big difference between them, as far as women are concerned.
>>2512756I wouldn't really call her a rando, she's been an extremely popular
terf influencer for years.
No. 2512796
>>2512619Never seen her before, she is fucking great!
>>2512721Both are good. Much love to all outspoken terves.
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Found some old terf blogs on wayback machine, I'm feeling both inspired by the based analysis posts and depressed by the fact that terms have been telling the truth so clearly and logically since 2011 (the time of the blogposts) and yet nobody listened
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>>2512896Samefag, it made me so depressed to see that all the blogs have been nuked into nothingness, I bet WordPress censored them, I remember 4thwavenow complaining about them doing it to gendertrender
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>Amy Desir, a gender-critical campaigner who organised the protest, insisted: 'If you allow trans women or men who identify as women into the ladies only pond then why can't us women, who identify as men, just for today, be allowed into the male only pond?'>Another protester screamed: 'I'm very manly. I have short hair and flat shoes. Let me in.'>A third shouted: 'Let us lads in.'>The police officer smirked and then admitted that he was a bit confused, particularly over which pronoun to use asking them: 'How should I refer to you all?'>The women replied: 'Sir or gentlemen or he or him. Or even your lordships,' leading to widespread laughter amongst those involved in the standoff.>As protesters remonstrated and joked with the officer about their 'manliness', five of them broke away, jumped over a wooden fence and dived into the chilly water of the male-only pond as their supporters cheered and clapped.>Ms Desir, who was wearing a bright, oversized novelty swimsuit was one of the first to breach the pond's defences.>She told MailOnline: 'We are not transphobic, we are pro-women and want to maintain safe spaces for women. The City of London Corporation is in breach of the law because only biological women should be allowed to use the women's only pond.>'The Corporations self-identity policy is driving women away from the women's pond. They don't feel safe there anymore because of transwomen or predatory men being let in because they say they're a woman.'https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14679981/women-rights-campaigners-storm-male-pond-Hampstead.html No. 2512974
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>>2512973
Weird response.
No. 2512979
>>2512974It's a telling response.
>>2512973Fuck off tranny.
No. 2513083
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Someone said they have a sticker denouncing everything but misogyny kek
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>>2513111>conventionally attractive mean girlShe looks like a tranny. Republican phenotype
(bait) No. 2513158
>>2512662I'm not even blackpill, retard, can't a girl be righftully outraged by seeing handmaidens
on the MTF thread, of all places sucking up to a tranny after he not only violated the boundary of posting here as a moid, but also admitting he goes into our bathrooms, and topped it all off by calling you bitches? and you STILL coddled him??? I hope you realize the hypocrisy of getting upset at a woman calling you a cocksucker, but feeling no offense when a man called you bitch.
>Woman saying something offensive = ALL SHAME THE FAKE FEMINIST!>Whiny scrote calling you a hater and a bitch for not praising him while he skinwalks you = Aww poor little gay boy, don't worry we only hate AGPS! No. 2513239
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>opposed to bill that would ban child-porn
>troon flag
fork found in kitchen
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>>2513189>>2513158this u? same typing style/vocabulary.
No. 2513419
>>2512967HSTS may well not be a sexual threat, although that isn't a given. Not every effeminate man, man who claims to be or looks or acts gay, is incapable of being a sexual threat to women. And not every woman who's been sexually traumatized will know whether a moid invading her space is gay or not. They are all potential predators and HSTS actively helped get AGPs into women's spaces so they are predatory by proxy and intent even if they wouldn't personally rape you. We don't let groomers off the hook if they're just grooming a child for someone else to molest, and HSTS are at best the 'groomers' of the trans movement. You can always point to some women who will be less scared of HSTS moids but other women who are not at all less scared of HSTS moids, and it's not like the only kind of assault a moid can do on you is sexual. HSTS moids could also physically assault women, gay men are not physically any weaker than straight men and many HSTS have a seething hatred of women so there is no reason whatsoever to believe we are 'safe' around them in intimate or vulnerable spaces.
The usual backstory is a load of shit, these moids don't troon out due to homophobia. It's not like there was some tradition (in Western societies, anyway) of child transition or of forcing effeminate gay men to transition. Gay men crossdressed for their own sexual reasons, the moids chimping out on the /snow/ thread were actually in response to an anon pointing this out and posting a video where Blaire White admits he never had childhood dysphoria and transitioned to 'widen his dating pool' (to 'straight' men). Moids wanting to widen their dating pool so they can have more casual sex isn't women's problem, it's not fucking oppression that fewer men want to date gay moids than us women, it's not an excuse for them to compete with and perform minstrelry of us, and no one on the planet is forcing them to do this shit. You say AGPs taking their fetish outside is very recent but so is HSTS moids taking their womanfetish larp out in public normally. I gave the example of Lile Elbe who actually 'lived' as a woman in public in the 1920s and was AGP. You'll be hard-pressed to find many Western historical figures who did this full time as HSTS moids, the history of HSTS crossdressing was mostly in the nightclub/ballroom scene and in the context of prostitution. There was no huge number of unclockable fully passing male troons in history who straight women just accepted into the fold and lived lives as women, that's not a thing that ever occurred. The HSTS movement is just as new as the AGP movement and just as harmful; in fact it's pretty much the same movement.
No. 2513443
>>2513377Kek are
you the anon who’s so obsessed with “optics” and being “unhinged” in the other thread? I’m finding it very annoying how dead set you are on anons being polite on a fucking lolcow thread. Starting to believe the scrotefoiling in the other thread about 4tran moids overrunning this place to try and make themselves look good was 100% correct
No. 2513564
>>2513239Why would anyone but a pedo freak be upset by this potential law?
>>2513262I swear, anime, pedo freaks, and trannies go hand in hand.
No. 2513607
>>2513604All you've done is demonstrate you're an insufferable troonmaiden obsessed with policing how women speak about their oppressors, and most anons agree with me anyways
>>2513443 >>2513470 Go whine about women being "too mean" to trannies elsewhere because your attitude would definitely not fly on whatevers left of ovarit either. Btw, I'm not the one "rancidly" dragging this retarded infight to yet another thread, iirc I left you arguing with the wall the second you bored me.
No. 2513615
>>2513604>You need to kill the reputation manager HR woman who lives inside your head or at least keep her to yourself>You don’t speak for usAll replies to your
unhinged post in the MTF thread. You can stop pretending you came to this thread to do anything but whine and be butthurt that the majority of us doesn't agree with you. Take it like a champ and go back to praising baeddels on tumblr.
No. 2513634
>>2512330You are welcome nonna. I think that some women aren’t really that aware of how male entitlement works, they think that it’s only straight men that are the problem. Faggots have been using women as yesmen while shitting on them for ages, a tranny faggot is the exact same. When a man has a shitty life due to his own fault (he went on hormones and his dating pool is faggots and bi men) he will still blame women (aka “why do you bitches hate me”), it was so clear.
I’m only for women and women only.
No. 2513636
>>2513626'venting' and but 'screeching at other gc people for being handmaidens because they're not nasty enough' is genuinely embarrassing tard behavior that drives people away from productive discussions.
I see it as unnecessary infighting that only drives people away but calling it out only makes her REEEE more, so ragesperg anon should be left to her own devices, you're right. Amazing all of this started just by her inaccurate read of a post.
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>>2513083Sweet! Western itasha!
No. 2513749
>>2513083so shes larping as
>a yaoi fakeboi>a bimbo>a fakebian>a atheist>autist>pedo?(that flag)>into "goth women" while clearly being into moids> a slob (that might be true)>a "uwu im so kawaii and innocent">shitty fag drag jokes>antifa(kek)>totes a gay moid>fujoshiannnnnnnd so much more bitch just buy one sticker that says handmaiden waste of a prius
No. 2513759
Quoting this post from the MtF thread because I want to talk about it, if the nonna who posted this sees this I'm not trying to specifically call you out but this attitude in general, the one that was mandatory in spaces such as r/GC where women were told that 'for optics' we can't use 'slurs' like troon or say mean and hateful things about these men because if unpeaked normies see GC spaces and see women being rude they will be driven away from peaking:
>whether they post here or not, lolcow isn't just its own self-contained echo chamber and people come here hearing about these tranny-hating threads specifically as a lure to 'prove' how aggressively troons are hated by terfs.
>if you have no concept of 'wow i look unhinged to the outside population and that harms my cause' keep sperging
I first peaked years before I knew about lolcow (not even sure if lolcow existed yet when I first peaked) and the way I finally peaked was by following every single link on some 'TERF blocklist' going around tumblr. It included both biologists' blogs/articles claiming biosex is real and genuinely angry rudefem blogs/forums by some obscure figures I couldn't even name anymore. Funny enough the TRAs making the blocklists conflated the two and acted like they were equally evil and hateful. I already believed biosex was real and men couldn't actually become women, but my handmaidenry consisted of thinking that we should be nice and consider people's feelings and that poor HSTS moids were actually probably just gay men bullied for being GNC so it's no skin off my back or anyone else's to show compassion and let him use my toilet, right? The thing that finally snapped me out of this way of thinking was seeing angry women refusing to use troons' preferred language and acting 'unhinged' because it actually exposed the reality of how disingenuous the niceness argument from troons actually is and how all it was doing was making women feel like they needed to lie and suppress their anger for the sake of men. It was such a relief to finally see women speaking with full honesty about how angry they were about men doing this and that's what made me actually peak on the issue fully. If a person is directed to a lolcow thread and sees anons being mean and their first reaction is 'wow the angry women are too mean to the oppressor men!' they're not ready to peak anyway and should be ignored. No matter what we do troons will call us evil and hateful anyway.
Look at JKR and the kinds of things she was saying when she first got cancelled. She was very gentle, pro-troon, said she would use preferred pronouns if asked, etc. She still got called a hateful evil nazi and years later normie leftists still believe she's an evil fascist. Same with Jordan Peterson, when he got ousted from UofT and became a 'far right figure' he was literally saying he would use preferred pronouns if asked and that he got along with trans people just fine but that was still too evil for them. Appeasing them doesn't fucking work, and they will convince normies you're an evil nazi no matter how nice you are about them so why bother tone policing at all? Both JRK and JP started being more openly hateful and mean toward the entire ideology precisely because being nice about it got them absolutely nothing. People are more easily convinced by the actual truth than by polite half-truths and hedging. All r/GC got for their trouble of being nice and polite was their entire 65k member subreddit getting axed from Reddit anyway. You can never be nice enough for the people who aren't ready to hear the truth and people who are ready to hear the truth will listen even if you say it angrily.
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>>2513728>“Well, I don’t get it but it doesn’t affect me so who cares.”That is exactly how I feel about the gender identity obsession. Like yeah I'm female and deal with misogyny and unfair social practices but gender has zero influence on my interests or how I present myself. I don't think about it at all. I guess I feel some sympathy for people who are so insecure or dissatisfied with life that they dive into it headfirst, but also fuck them for wasting my tax dollars and being annoying.
No. 2513781
>>2513728Not really, actually. I've noticed a lot of autists in the online GC influencer community but I think that's because terminally online people have a high chance of being autists generally. Of the GC people I know irl none are autistic, they're just normies.
>>2513750>being gay is cool and being straight is not i guessIt's pretty much just that. Gendies often become gendies specifically because they think any kind of LGBTQ+ identity is cool.
>>2513770It might not affect you but it's affecting plenty of other people and it's affecting the way all the children in our society are taught and raised. Normies are going to start caring more and more when all their kids start coming home asking for puberty blockers or the 15th time they lost some scholarship or award meant for women to a TIM.
No. 2513810
>>2513800It doesn't really matter what they ended up doing after, my point was that both of them got cancelled for being respected public figures who said the most mild-mannered, troon-appeasement shit ever in public. I don't actually think JKR is or has ever been an actual radfem, she always seemed like a 2nd wave liberal feminist type with GC views to me (similar to Helen Pluckrose), and I don't know if I would call JP far right but I haven't seen much of him since he went to rehab so I can't really speak to that. The point is that no amount of mild-mannered 'I accept the good troons' self-censorship will ever appease TRAs so it makes no sense to browbeat 'angry feminists' for acting 'too unhinged.' If well-known well-respected public figures saying something extremely gentle and middle of the road is evil nazi fascist terfism and was considered that 10 years ago already, there is nothing constructive about continuing to engage in appeasement.
Actually I'd go further than that and say that the 'HSTS are not our enemies, we never minded THEM in our bathrooms, AGPs are our common enemies' nonnas aren't fully thinking through the logical consequences of what they're saying. Just like troons can't prove they have woman brain with a brain scan, we can't prove if a troon is HSTS or AGP with a brain scan either. These are categories some researcher made up in the 1980s to classify two different subtypes of troons with differences in presentation/sexual behaviour (although even the original Blanchard papers found some 10% of the HSTS had an autosexual fetish) but at the end of the day, neither are men. Saying 'oh, we can let the good delusional men into our bathrooms and change rooms, but not the bad delusional men' is playing into the exact logical trap TRAs used to trojan horse moids into women's spaces in the first place. What's the end goal of comforting HSTS troons that we would totally let them larp as true and honest women but not the AGPs? That just makes you look like a hypocrite because if you on principle don't want men in women's spaces on the basis they're male, you wouldn't make an exception for the ones that perform femininity well enough. That's why women in that thread were saying 'you haven't fully peaked' to the anons coddling the troon moid.
No. 2513817
>>2513636Holy shit, you're STILL REEEEing thinking anyone is actually on your side? Top fucking Kek.
>'venting' and but 'screeching? Seething so badly you can't even type a proper sentence. Seriously, you need to relax before you pop a vein, troonmaiden.
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> Had to get a rape kit done, traumatizing
> Now having to get tested for STIs, not traumatizing but certainly not something I’m having fun with
> Was told that the doctor would be a woman
> It’s a fucking TIM
I’ll take my ban. Total tranny death now.
No. 2513901
>>2513898I'm so sorry
nonnie that's awful, my heart goes out to you
No. 2513916
>>2513898TIMs should absolutely not be allowed in female oriented medicine. Fuck anti discrimination laws there is literally only one reason a skinwalker would be interested in that field.
Stories like this make me feel the spirit of Jodi stir within me.
No. 2513960
>>2513759i don't even have a problem with being mean to troons but i think saying 'yes we do want troon genocide', when that's exactly what they tell everyone they're scared of, isn't doing anything but affirming their delusions of persecution and confirming to outsiders 'yes those angry women are just like the nazis'. i am with you the whole way on 'seeing the writing of angry women is one of the factors that peaked me' but I will bet you that those women were a hell of a lot more eloquent than just typing out 'i hope troons all kill themselves' when you first started reading those blogposts. other people don't get that slow introduction to lolcow's content or spend more than a few minutes reading these threads, they just hear all of the incredibly shitty rumors about this site and see a couple of cherry-picked screenshots and go 'gosh all TERFs really are crazy bigots aren't they'
idk maybe i'm just feeling annoyed about it because lolcow got brought up recently by people who don't know i lurk and they immediately just identified it as 'tranny-hating chan full of the most insane terfs you've ever heard of' when gendercritical shit isn't even the main point here, we're a gossip imageboard. but also a constant question/complaint we get ITT is 'how do i peak my sister/friend/whatever' so it's kind of obvious that a significant number of us either are forced to interact with or actively hang around libfem circles and the question of 'how do i sprinkle gendercrit logic into conversations in ways they won't immediately kneejerk reject' is clearly worth answering to a lot of people here. angry rhetoric is useful in certain ways but it's not a one-size-fits-all tool.
but also the point of this entire argument wasn't that, it was about the question of infighting because some of the gendercritical nonas here are supposedly 'too nice' or 'trying to be kind'. the nonas doing the whole 'other nonas itt won't join in on wishing for the troon 100% suicide statistic?? they must be handmaidens' song and dance need to calm the fuck down because we don't need that kind of purity testing 'you're either with us or against us' shit here.
No. 2513977
>>2513960I think I missed the post in the /snow/ thread where someone said 'yes we unironically want total troon genocide.' Which one was it? What I saw was a few anons getting angry that other anons were mollycoddling an HSTS and telling him 'we never had a problem with you in women's spaces, you're one of the good ones' and 'AGPs are our common enemy, we're on the same side' (both paraphrased). Some anons said they're handmaidens (subjective but I would agree) and 'not really peaked' (objectively correct) and then were called unhinged and vitriolic for it and tone policed. The posts were plenty eloquent they were just angry and drew a hard line that we don't accept any TIMs into our spaces.
>lolcow got brought up recently by people who don't know i lurk and they immediately just identified it as 'tranny-hating chan full of the most insane terfs you've ever heard of' Then they're not open to GC ideas. If they were they could come here and see the 16 gender ideology hate threads, the 144 MtF threads and actually read a substantial portion of them to see why women are mad about TIMs and gender ideology. Like I said in my original post, people said this about JKR and JP's original statements about troons too even though at the time they were beloved and respected liberal figures with great reputations. They also said this about r/GC even though it had explicit rules against misandry, anti-trans slurs and rudefemmery. The entire 65k members of r/GC were slandered and removed from Reddit (and not just r/GC, many other woman-centric subreddits including, for a time, PCOS were either removed or privated just for having mentions of biological sex). Tone policing a gossip imageboard to make fun of internet cows because it gained a reputation as an evil
terf hive isn't productive in any way shape or form, especially when it's just to jump on some nonnas who got mad about HSTS-coddling when the moid hopped on the thread to call the female anons bitches.
>'how do i sprinkle gendercrit logic into conversations in ways they won't immediately kneejerk reject'in reference to irl libfem friends is a completely different conversation and one that has been covered here repeatedly. If your friend is a libfem probably don't link them to lolcow right off the bat either way.
>some of the gendercritical nonas here are supposedly 'too nice' or 'trying to be kind'. the nonas doing the whole 'other nonas itt won't join in on wishing for the troon 100% suicide statistic?? they must be handmaidens' That's really not what happened and I'm saying this as someone with no horse in this race (I did not participate in the /snow/ infight at all). Anons were angry at non-GC/non-radfem reactions to a seething HSTS and were tone-policed by other anons saying they are too vitriolic. I am specifically responding to the claim that being nicer to troons would make our views more acceptable to libfems/TRAs and my contention is that no it wouldn't, no matter what. Moreover, the 'mean vitriolic' nonnas are correct that accepting HSTS in female spaces is not GC. It is the opposite of GC. There isn't a rule on lolcow that you have to be GC to post but people who are not GC should accept that other anons pointing this out are correct rather than arguing that the GC movement has to be not-actually-GC to be sufficiently acceptable to TRAs and pander to libfem sensibilities. Nothing has ever been gained by any GC community or personality by pandering to TRAs in this way. They have always been cancelled regardless. People will obviously get mad about anti-GC views posted in the MtF thread on lolcow for obvious reasons and trying to scold them with 'this is why your movement isn't more popular!' is troon logic.
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>>2512619I fucking love her what a stacy
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>>2513984My high flying, shit posting queen
No. 2514008
>>2514006Well what else were they gonna say?
>No stop listening to trans people!>They are wrong!>Actually everything they said was correct!None of these would work out very well for them.
No. 2514010
>>2514008Probably something something
terf agenda or that it's actually
terf troll posting etc. like they do whenever another troon gets outed for posting themselves masturbating in the women's bathroom
No. 2514017
>>2514010>troon masturbating in women's bathroom is the terf agendaThanks for being so invested in the
terf agenda, troons! But I would still rather you please not be quite so invested.
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>>2514048It's irritating that you can't read the context a conversation is happening in and understand the purpose of comparing two people in two different countries who got cancelled under extremely similar circumstances. JP's reason for initially rejecting compelled speech re: gender pronouns was almost identical to JKR's original reason: because they were against legally compelling people to recognize gender self-ID or use words they don't want to use. JKR got cancelled for agreeing with Maya Forstater's case when she was fired as an academic for saying she shouldn't be compelled to state TWAW, JP was fired as an academic for saying the law shouldn't compel people to use gender pronouns (Bill C-16). At the time as far as anyone knows JP was not even remotely right wing and their stated reasons (to the public) were almost identical. We are having a conversation about optics here and whether tone policing helps, so yes, the two situations are entirely comparable. You can go back and watch Peterson's original video he got cancelled for: he didn't say anything even remotely right wing in it and was very, very accommodating of troons. No one is trying to say radical feminists (which JKR is not, anyway) are right wing just because they point out two extremely similar situations (unless you are suggesting 'compelled speech is bad' is inherently incompatible with either conservative or liberal politics?). Deleted to add the actual JKR tweet and context.
No. 2514117
>>2514057NTA. I think the problem is they were right about Jordan Peterson. He was never particularly interested in women's rights or freedom of speech/opinion (outside of when it came to shifting the overton window to the right). The trans topic was just another item on the checklist for him to discuss.
He was likely already pushinng against feminism and other leftist political topics by the time the trans question was sprinkled in, so it wasn't a matter of "He was nice, agreeable and they still didn't care". He wasn't nice, and he was already disagreeable. They just saw through the pretense because they could see what he and the rest of the "alt right" people were pushing toward. JK Rowling, on the other hand, firmly established herself as pro-women and believed in compassionate causes regarding that. She didn't push "trad" nonsense, she didn't build a platform off "owning feminists and minorities!!!", and she literally donated so much toward helping women that she lost her billionaire status. Her opposition to the trans thing came from somewhere genuinely invested in women's rights, and even helping trans people, not a right wing grift or dogwhistle. Their contexts were entirely different. Their rejection of Rowling is stemmed in enmeshment of the pro-trans mindset and the ugly groundwork set by right-wingers that made it so you can't name the problem without looking like a Nazi and misogynist (Peterson was part of this issue, coupled with republicans in general).
I slightly agree with your assertion that being nice is pointless, but it really depends on the audience and context IMO.
No. 2514123
>>2514117They weren't 'right' about Jordan Peterson. There are still people who openly support protections for pedophilia and (iirc) holocaust deniers currently employed and tenured at UofT. Saying 'TRA cancel culture destroying people's lives just for saying they don't want to be compelled to use gendie pronouns is okay if it later turns out the person they cancelled for it isn't a nice person' is really not helping your case, especially since the same people who cancelled JP also still insist to this day that JKR is an evil nazi who deserved all the blowback. Don't you realize that for these people, you, a leftist radfem, are an evil nazi fascist just for not playing along with gender shit? They don't care if you're actually a nice feminist 10 years later like JKR or actually a right wing conservative like JP 10 years later, you are an evil nazi fascist either way because you don't go along with every single diktat of gender ideology. The fact you're literally defending TRAs for cancelling and firing JP for just saying there shouldn't be a law forcing me and all other 40 million people in my country to use some fae/faer's preferred pronouns in public under threat of arrest or fining because, well, fuck me and all other 40 million people in my country if you can get one over on a geriatric benzo addict shows how little you actually care about women's rights.
>He was never particularly interested in women's rights or freedom of speech/opinionThis isn't even true, his sole reason for fighting bill C-16 was caring about freedom of speech. As I said, at the time he was known to be a political liberal. It was only after he got cancelled and lost his job that he turned into a conservative, probably because the entire political left ostracized and abandoned him and it made him go kinda crazy. If you're too young to even remember what happened maybe you should just avoid commenting on it or go read up on the situation.
>He was likely already pushinng against feminism and other leftist political topics by the time the trans question was sprinkled in.No, he was not. The 'trans question' wasn't 'sprinkled in,' he was a psychology professor who made his first ever non-academic youtube video to protest a compelled speech troon law. He had never made any political video of any kind prior to that on his youtube channel. This was literally the sole thing that put him in the public eye. Again, at least research what you're talking about before running to the defense of TRAs who ruin countless people's lives (mostly women and feminists) just for speaking out mildly against them.
>They just saw through the pretenseYeah, you're so right. The troons just saw through the 'pretense' of JP fighting for our right to not kowtow to troons and they saved us from the evil of not being forced to use troons' preferred pronouns under threat of arrest forever after! Based troons. Oh wait but they also 'saw through' JKR in the exact same way, why didn't we listen to the prophetic troons when they told us she was a nazi? Our bad.
No. 2514125
>>2514123Okay, you seem very invested in defending Jordan Peterson's reputation. That won't work here, this isn't a right wing or even "right-friendly" space because we've heard all the shit they say, what they think of us and what they want for us. It's been known for years.
Fuck trannies, don't ever compare stupid men who built themselves from "feminists destroyed" compilations to feminists like JK Rowling.
No. 2514132
>>2514125I'm not defending Jordan Peterson's reputation, I'm horrified that you're siding with TRAs who wanted to strike down the only public critic of a law that has forced me and every single person in my country to play along with gender ideology bullshit under threat of legal retribution because me possibly getting fired, fined or arrested for saying 'men aren't women' is worth it for you to own some random old moid. The TRAs won't spare you just because you say 'oh but I'm a leftist!' any more than they spared JKR, Kathleen Stock or Maya Forstater.
>don't ever compare stupid men who built themselves from "feminists destroyed" compilations to feminists like JK Rowling.Uh that's not how he 'built himself.' He built himself as an academic psychologist who studied big 5 personality traits.
No. 2514135
>>2514129>>2514132His career in psychology doesn't matter. His viewpoints were clear, who he allied with was very clear, and you literally could not escape his interviews back when he wasn't a druggie. He was not trying to protect women at any point.
Walls of text complaining that no one "did their research" on the man who's been forcing himself through a highly specific political movement change nothing. No, he's not like her. He never was. Might as well start babbling about Ben Shapiro and Matt Walsh ackchually just being hyper-rationalist alpha males who have been pro-freeze peach and women's rights all along.
No. 2514140
>>2514135His viewpoint that he didn't want people to be forced to use preferred pronouns was indeed clear, which is why he got cancelled, just like every other evil fascist nazi like JKR and Maya Forstater. Bootlicking troons this hard won't make them spare you, they won't go 'oh but you're the good kind of evil nazi' if you keep licking their boots and praising them for knowing TERFs are evil in advance of them even doing anything.
>forcing himself through a highly specific political movementIt's literally troons who forced JP into a political movement kek. Troons created the JP we know today, he never wanted to be a political figure.
No. 2514144
>>2514140Bootlicking troons is pointing out that a male grifter is a male grifter in much the same way troons are also male grifters, sure thing. I don't have to defend a scrotum just because his fellow scrotums don't like him. He was also never a "
TERF", do you even know what that acronym means?
>the troons forced him!!Sure, Jan.
No. 2514150
>>2514144I mean yes, he had absolutely no interest in becoming a political figure but he lost his very lucrative job as an elite university professor, with which he was feeding his family, because he said 'I don't agree with a law that says everybody has to pretend troons are whatever one of the 72 genders they say they are or else get fined/arrested.' He was then suspended from teaching and forced to go through a mandatory gender ideology re-education training. He was also suspended from his job as a clinical psychotherapist and iirc lost his license. He then started doing the pundit/speaker circuit in order to make enough money to support himself and his family and became a well-known political figure to pay the bills. He's spoken repeatedly about how he never wanted to do that and would still be some random fucking academic today if they didn't go after him soviet-style for making a youtube video on his personal channel. If troons hadn't canceled him you probably never would have even heard of him in your entire life.
Also yes, saying troons were 'right' to call JP a nazi just for a mildly gender-critical view because it indicated he would later become an evil right-wing nazi is bootlicking them. It's the exact same thing they say about all radfem women. Praising troons for getting people's therapist licenses and jobs taken away because they don't kowtow to troons is, indeed, bootlicking troons. The troons don't care what meaning you ascribe to the acronym they invented and use to shit on every gender critical person, either. Congrats for the troon slur applying to you better.
No. 2514160
>>2514153>You keep trying to force this "The enemy of my enemy is my friend" narrativeNope, pretty sure you're hallucinating. Point to where someone has said that. I'm pushing back against what the other anon said, which was
>they were right about Jordan Peterson.Meaning, troons were right to make Jordan Peterson lose both his jobs for saying Canada shouldn't pass a law to compel women to call gendies whatever gendies want to be called. If you don't see why 'they could tell he was evil!' isn't a good excuse, ask yourself, do they also say JKR is evil? Yes, they do. So are they right to try to cancel her? If you think troons are 'right' to destroy people's careers just for saying something mildly gender critical, then you agree with every single cancellation of every single radfem woman by troons that has ever happened. You're saying troons have every right to destroy people's careers if they just have a spidey sense that person is 'right wing.' But what do they call JKR? Right wing. What do they call Kathleen Stock? Right wing. What do they call Maya Forstater? Right wing. What do they call Julie Bindel? Right wing. I could go on and on. If you think troons have the right to cancel someone just because troons think that person might be 'right wing,' you're allying with troons against every single gender critical woman.
No. 2514167
>>2513960>lolcow got brought up recently by people who don't know i lurk and they immediately just identified it as 'tranny-hating chan full of the most insane terfs you've ever heard of'Jesse Singal, who is even more gentle than JKR on the trans issue, is called a genocider and considered responsible for Trump's trans policy in America. They're extremists or when it comes to normies they have no conception of online spaces outside heavily moderated and policed echo chambers (like the three or four social media websites you're allowed to use on the Internet). I think it's important for users to push back on rhetoric they don't like (e.g. TTD) just because I appreciate that you can have different opinions on here even if the userbase has gradually become more anti-trans. And even somewhere like KF isn't that bad all the time despite its reputation, since the worst of it is contained to A&N/the Autistic Thunderdome. A lot of people really believe that reading bad words on the Internet or having a basic disagreement is extremely dangerous. So don't feel too bad I guess.
>>2514150this conversation is moving very quickly but I do personally believe Peterson was radicalised by his gentle pushback on compelled speech. He was a weird esoteric Jungian before he went cray-cray. I think ordinary women who would not be interested in radical feminism become radicalised by the trans issue (hence a lot of noncommittal sorts, the occasional slide into conservatism that happens, some of the malformed discourse) and ordinary men who would not be interested in more extreme types of conservatism become radicalised by the trans issue, though less so because it personally affects them less (I would consider JP an early edge case); they're not actually equal situations from the get-go because of the matter of biological sex, and where they'll find political harbour. It's not like there's a worldwide radical feminist movement ready to accept men disillusioned by the left because there's just not the political strength there, and many women are frankly not interested in that!
>>2514153I don't even really understand the argument now. JP and JKR taking similar issue with the question of compelled speech is not really tantamount to saying they're equivalent in political character, surely?
>>2514145 says
>therefore being polite will not spare you from troon rage and there's no point in tone policing anybodyJKR is nice and JP is mean, but both of them get called genociders. Where is the boohooing for JP?
reposting because there are so many replies kek. Realistically outside how one comports oneself on an imageboard, the question of political rhetoric is very complicated. It's basically political suicide to gently criticise the trans issue. There's no handling it gracefully. The only reason there's been pushback is because of youth "gender medicine", in my view, which, to bring up Singal's work again, he has been endlessly patient with his detractors and still gets death threats. I don't know what the answer is, but the meat of his reporting was important.
No. 2514175
>>2513977the total tranny death thing is only a few posts upthread in
>>2513898 but there were definitely more than one post in /snow/ that were calls to 41% in response to the troonposters
i don't really have time to continue this tonight because real life is calling so i'll try to be short, sorry if this doesn't answer you in full - since the troonposters in the /snow/ thread both basically showed up asking 'why do you hate meee' i think it was fairly normal that we had nonas post in a way that they would if they were approaching a libfem or troon irl and wrote with the goal of not getting 'kneejerk reject'. those posters would definitely
not be considered anything other than GC/terfs outside of lolcow, though, because they're still telling the moid YWNBAW. i was not one of the posters saying i think there's a difference between AGP and HSTS and HSTSs are 'the good ones', if it matters, but i'm saying the nonas who believe that can still be useful to the movement & berating them for not using the tone of righteous fury all the time even while outright addressing moids (kind of like the recent debate about whether confronting one in a women's bathroom is appropriate) isn't doing anything other than purity test and tone police from the opposite end of the ideological spectrum. whether those posters ever reach the point of 'damn these are ALL just fucking moid perverts and i should treat them as such' doesn't matter to me much as long as they are still sold on a couple of core concepts. i don't understand the nonas to whom total agreement matters so much that they have to resort to straight-up insulting other women because 'they weren't mean enough which means they're not really part of our in-group'.
but yeah i should clarify that i really don't think that the GC movement will make much progress through imageboards, ever, because normies will always be turned off by 'aggressive' rhetoric and shitposters and we have a surplus of those here. people come to vent, and i get that, we just don't need to vent at one another for not being a 'true gendercritical'. fuck knows troons should give us enough to bitch about.
No. 2514193
>>2514167>they're not actually equal situations from the get-go because of the matter of biological sex, and where they'll find political harbour.I agree they're not equal situations in terms of where the people end up and what they end up believing, but that makes troon activism even more dangerous for leftist women. The average moid who is subject to a troon attack on his career will almost inevitably veer right and find safe harbor among conservatives, which imo is what happened to Peterson, and those men won't even realize such a thing as radical feminism exists. Idk if you've ever watched JP's interview with radfem Helen Lewis (I think he had multiple interviews with her but I mean the first one), he at some point started saying that she must agree with troon shit because she's a feminist and she was like 'no, I don't, I'm a radical feminist and we don't believe in gender ideology' and he was super shocked by it and ended up being like 'wow that's really interesting I didn't know there were feminists fighting against this at all.' That's just one example since we were talking about him anyway but most men regardless of their initial political leanings think of 3rd wave libfeminism when they think of feminism and so when they get attacked for anti-TRA views they are more likely than not to blame 'all feminism' or 'all leftism' for it. You get exceptions like Graham Linehan but it's pretty rare. Basically whenever a leftist moid is alienated by transactivism leftist women instantly lose a potential political ally - I think this can only be fixed by GC women on the left speaking up more about our views, and actually to that end playing optics games with troons does us a disservice.
>Realistically outside how one comports oneself on an imageboard, the question of political rhetoric is very complicated.I agree with this but the original tone policing argument was about what nonnas were saying on lolcow. Obviously you might have to be more careful in irl situations (although I still think accepting HSTS moids is non-GC and wrong in every possible situation), but that wasn't even the original argument - the original argument is whether we should have to tone police ourselves on lolcow and I think not.
>>2514175>the total tranny death thing is only a few posts upthread in >>2513898 Any sane person seeing a woman who was just raped calling for TTD will understand why she said that. Only a psychopath will not. Tone policing a woman who just got raped is next level honestly, and it's also not what started the original conversation so it's completely besides the point and ghoulish to bring it up.
>more than one post in /snow/ that were calls to 41% in response to the troonpostersI saw only one post that told him to 41% and telling a specific raging moid to 41% is in no way the same thing as saying 'I want all troons to be genocided.' It's beyond disingenuous to characterize it that way.
>since the troonposters in the /snow/ thread both basically showed up asking 'why do you hate meee' i think it was fairly normal that we had nonas post in a way that they would if they were approaching a libfem or troon irlSorry I don't get why it's normal to see a moid post in a no-moids imageboard calling women bitches in a space that isn't him and react by massaging his ego and telling him that he's actually welcome in women's bathrooms. This literally is the self-admitted predator nonnas in the MtF thread were complaining about, who came into the thread just to declare that he thinks they're bitches for complaining and he deserves to trample all over their boundaries. Regardless of what they would be 'considered' outside of lolcow, it's not GC to say that certain moids who perform gender stereotypes effortfully enough deserve to be in women's spaces. That's a genderist view in multiple ways - it promotes gender stereotypes/gender presentation as more important than biological sex, it says that there should not be single-sex spaces (but only mixed-sex spaces where the 'good' moids are allowed in) and it suggests that there is some kind of test for which moids are 'truly' fembrained enough to be allowed into female spaces. Women who think moids should be allowed in women's bathrooms because they're effeminate enough really haven't peaked and it's extremely reasonable for GC nonnas to point that out. I don't think anyone got criticized for not using a tone of righteous fury (with maybe one exception) but for actually saying 'no it's okay, we accept you, we never had a problem with you, just AGPs.'
>i don't understand the nonas to whom total agreement matters so muchWe're never going to reach total agreement but this is, after all, a discussion forum. It's normal to express your opinions and imo it's much more harmful to try to silence angry GC women on a women's forum than for angry GC women to be angry that other women acted welcoming to a troon moid on a women's imageboard and an anti-troon thread.
No. 2514198
>>2514193they can be angry and i could understand a 'yo what the fuck that's some bullshit'
i don't understand 'reee gtfo handmaiden retards' which is what you're defending.
No. 2514204
>>2514175OK I was much nicer when I first typed this but the full gravity of you using a vent post as evidence for an in-fight just hit me and I feel weird and gross now. I really hope that anon is ok and she doesn't deserve to be dragged into this.
>i really don't think that the GC movement will make much progress through imageboards, everno it's totally ludicrous to treat a gossip imageboard that way. /pol/'s influence on mainstream conservatism has been a borrowing of aesthetics and confused racial politics and sexual preoccupations, but I don't think you could meaningfully say that the precision of their political policy has really had an impact. If there
were any influence of LC on current feminism, it would be similarly an aesthetic one. As it stands, LC is an underground subculture of a subculture, and I believe that female-predominant subcultures iterate differently from male-predominant subcultures. Most radical feminists have a real distaste for this place; they don't view it as an endearing, radical, cool offshoot.
>>2514187Whatever hairs you want to split over the vaunted beginnings of radical feminism is not the same as the modern transgender issue and radical feminism's resurgence in response. The radical feminism of today is a mutation. It's not perceived as leftist because it was reinvigorated as a response to an ostensibly leftist movement. It's viewed as conservative because everything is binary. (And then they dredge up radical feminists working with conservatives back in the day, etc., to validate this perception. But I think the work they did was good nevertheless).
>>2514193>I agree with this but the original tone policing argument was about what nonnas were saying on lolcowMy original reply before I changed it was regarding this, but the JP/JKR thing is about IRL and I thought I was confused.
>but that makes troon activism even more dangerous for leftist womenOn this you won't find me disagreeing at all, and I think you make a very good point.
>Basically whenever a leftist moid is alienated by transactivism leftist women instantly lose a potential political allyI don't think men actually have any incentive to be a radical feminist ally to begin with, my post is long and I'm bored, confused, and offended now kek (not by you).
No. 2514216
>>2514168He wasn't a right winger at the time though. You're saying that they managed to mindread his future political trajectory purely due to his views on troons, which suggests that everyone with GC views including every radfem woman will also inevitably turn into a right winger. You may not be explicitly saying that but it's what this 'troons correctly mindread JP based on one anti-forced-pronoun-use-law video' stance suggests.
>It's because of people like him that openly aligned with the right that now we all get lumped in with them. GC women got lumped in with the right before you were even born, anon. I was getting called conservative for my GC views before anyone had even heard of Jordan Peterson. The real reason GC views are lumped in with the right is because TRA views came from the left and they came from a much more powerful leftist bloc than radfems who wanted to excise GC views from leftism by calling them that ever-effective spooky scareword you yourself are falling for hook line and sinker: conservative. Aligning yourself with troons while they try to censor and cancel anyone and everyone they please by labeling them 'conservative' is not helping radfems like you think it is. The faction of the political left that despises GC women is much more powerful and politically influential than the GC faction so if you want cancellations to happen based on the mere accusation someone is right-leaning we will all be fucked - and what's worse, actual conservatives who don't mind being labeled conservatives will be just fine and they will take all the credit for saving society from the TRA scourge. It's not like radfems were the only people in history who didn't believe men could be women - that was everyone. So yeah go ahead and keep supporting the troons who call everyone an alt right nazi for saying something against troon ideology, it definitely won't backfire on you and all of us who came at this from a leftist angle.
No. 2514223
>>2514198They are the same picture imo. You can read those anons' text tone however you want, some were more aggressive than others, some were definitely more aggressive than I would have been but I don't think we should be focusing on 'lolcow's optics when libfems get linked to the threads' like this in general. The anons who got called handmaiden retards will survive to see another day, and if outsiders who browse lolcow see some anon saying 'ree you're a handmaiden for telling HSTS moids they're the good ones' and reject all gender critical thought because of it they weren't going to instantly convert to GC views anyway.
>>2514213I support you nonna. I think clinging to political partisanship this hard at the moment when the mainstream left and right are both full of retarded people makes no sense and I don't know why people see so much safety and vindication in these labels. Personally I just don't give a shit what people accuse me of being anymore because I've been called all sorts of insane shit (a Nazi despite having holocaust survivor ancestors, a tradthot despite being the furthest thing from trad, etc) just for saying 'men can't be women' that I just see the whole shit flinging name calling gladiator arena as entirely unproductive. Who should I even prove my rightthink credentials to at this point? The same people that told me I can't say men don't become women by putting on a skirt from Amazon and programmer socks? "Please, dearest 26yo tech moid who lives off his allowance from his capitalist banker parents and has a subscription to WaPo and NYT, please believe me that I'm a true and honest Marxist just like you"?
No. 2514229
>>2514222Severely lacking reading comprehension. Saying 'it was right for the troons to cancel Jordan Peterson for expressing a mildly GC view because they just knew deep in their hearts he would become conservative later' is washing troon balls no matter how you want to spin it. You know, it's okay to say 'it was wrong for the Canadian Psychological Association to cancel this man's license just for not believing in troonshit, but also I do think he has bad political opinions.' Your radfem card won't be taken away just for admitting the obvious truth that it's wrong to make an example of someone just for opposing TRAs. There shouldn't be any 'benefit of the doubt' involved at all, taking people's jobs away for having mildly negative views about troons is wrong period, you don't have to mindread people's political views 10 years in the future to say that.
>bowing down to the people still screaming about "repealing the 19th" and happily taking away abortion rights.Jordan Peterson is Canadian in case you hadn't noticed. Also no one asked you to bow down to him.
No. 2514234
>>2514229I didn't say what you claim I did, and you're still aggressively insisting it's aligning with troons to point out a right wing scrote is what he is. I don't care that troons hate him, and I don't have to be kind to trannies to point out that he is not on par with JK Rowling. Maybe you wouldn't be having such a hard time selling this had he not been a misogynist. If you can't find a single non-misogynistic anti-tranny scrote to talk about, that's a personal issue. Go back.
>b-but he's canadianAnd somehow, that never stopped him from butting into American politics. It was "only because of troons" and a law in Canada, but he found himself ass-shaking for right-wingers in the US and telling the world how much he agrees with them. Curious.
No. 2514246
>>2514234I don't know if it was you or someone else but I'm responding to the sentiments in
>>2514117 which, in response to a post saying 'a man had his academic and clinical career cancelled merely for a single milquetoast statement against bill C-16' said:
>they were right about Jordan Peterson>He wasn't nice, and he was already disagreeable.>They just saw through the pretense>looking like a Nazi and misogynist (Peterson was part of this issue)As you would know if you looked it up, Peterson was left-center and had expressed exactly zero Nazi or right-wing views publicly at the time of his cancellation. I'm arguing against a poster who is literally saying that it was justifiable to cancel someone for standing up against troons because he later turned out conservative after the fact. This is the exact same retarded argument troons use against every single '
terf' and GC woman - they claim we are just pretending to be leftist feminists but the fact that we aren't TRAs means that we are secret spooky conservative fascists in sheep's clothing. It does not matter at all what Peterson later ended up doing, if you think his cancellation for speaking up against troons was justified you're also justifying every single cancellation of every single GC woman that has ever happened because they're all justified in the exact same way.
By the same token you (or that anon, whoever) says revoking his license was justified, every single GC female clinical psychologist who speaks up in Canada will also have her license revoked. There is now a precedent for every single GC female academic to lose her tenure if JP losing his tenure for opposing Bill C-16 was justifiable. With friends like this, who needs enemies?
No. 2514254
>>2514252I said
>Men know their own, I don't give a fuck.That doesn't justify them harming women in any way, and Peterson ultimately never used his platform for anything but confirming their views of anyone that stands against their horseshit. Once again
>Maybe you wouldn't be having such a hard time selling this had he not been a misogynist. If you can't find a single non-misogynistic anti-tranny scrote to talk about, that's a personal issue. No. 2514256
>>2514254You said you don't give a fuck about the legal silencing of a person for expressing a trans-critical view. If a person can be silenced for a trans-critical view, it won't just be men you don't like who are silenced, it will be everyone.
>If you can't find a single non-misogynistic anti-tranny scrote to talk about, that's a personal issue. This has absolutely nothing to do with the topic. I am not interested in adjudicating Jordan Peterson's views about unrelated shit in the gender ideology hate thread. I am not interested in having a conversation about which men are misogynistic or non-misogynistic. I'm asking you why you're ballwashing tranny scrotes and justifying them taking control over organizations like the Canadian Psychological Association or UofT to silence anyone who speaks against them.
No. 2514283
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i think that anti-androgen started rotting her brain
No. 2514302
>>2514283What man wears open back clothing in real life other than idk, some fishermen?
As far as celebrities, it's one of the things only women wear.
No. 2514377
I have a male acquaintance, and over the past few months he has
>expressed unironic pleasure over me mockingly calling him “princess”.
>says he would probably prefer getting fucked by an absurdly huge strap-on if he were to ever try it, that he was a “size queen” (jokingly but ykwtm)
How many months until he comes out as a gendie/troon? Is there any way I can stop it? I suspect he has an already established sissy porn addiction, and likely past the point of no return.
Am I just being paranoid? I’m on a hair trigger now, only because I have recognized the pattern and have seen it play out numerous times. So many of the men I like/tolerate (polite, submissive, into more ‘feminine’ hobbies) wind up getting pornfried and develop a fetish for forcefem/sissy rp, which almost always ends up in troonery. It’s already bad enough even without the troonery.
I know everyone has their own personal vendetta against gendieshit. This is mine. Cute subby men are already so rare, and the ones who do exist often end up morphing into these coom creatures. Gendieshit and easily accessible hardcore fetish pornography turned a generation of cute, sensitive boys into coomertroons. It breaks my heart. It double breaks my heart that the inferior male sex can be so easily persuaded by this filth. I’m running out of hope.
There’s little left for women like me. All the men I like wind up buying into gender politics, then further condition themselves with porn. Nice boys who felt more “girly” growing up are told they might actually be a girl, or at least partially. And what is a girl/woman, ultimately? being pretty, subservient, and fuckable. Bam. Now they’re larping as hentai bimbos. With 60 years of life ahead of them. Guided by a horrible, dehumanizing dream, spiraling further into identity issues, and chasing insatiable sexual torment. Have these men learned nothing from women and their complaints? I’m already cute and fuckable, but pursuing it as my identity feels hollow, dehumanizing, and degrading. How you can never be enough, even when what you aspire to be is nothing at all. It’s a maddening concept. I can’t imagine how mentally ill you have to be to choose this of your own volition, while also having male morphology, which virtually guarantees you will be ugly and unfuckable.
I’m ranting at this point, whatever.
It’s concerning how frequently I have observed this metamorphosis play out in real time. Sensitive young men/boys who had potential to have more substance than their peers, just dumping it all down the drain to mimic a pornographer’s conception of a woman.
I don’t want to live in a world full of retards, and no matter how many times I try to convince myself that it’s not the case, it’s becoming harder to deny that it most certainly is.
No. 2514392
>>2514337Every case of “pro trans” rhetoric from back then was in the form of transhumanist/communistic wishful thinking. These women were so chronically disappointed and hopeless when it came to males, many thought the only way forward was complete equalization of the sexes, even down to their reproductive function.
But maybe you can pull a quote of some naive radfem who thought current-day men could become like women. What they envisioned has been replicated approximately 0 times in reality. Solanas used to entertain the idea of tolerating “sissies”, until being sexually harassed and hounded down by them like every other man she encountered. All it takes is exposure, and feminists adapt. There’s no more room for charitable speculation now when troons loudly proclaim what they are for the entire world to hear. There’s a reason “TIRFs” are fleetingly rare and irrelevant, and the ones who continue to hang on are severely autistic.
>>2514346Only moids are stupid enough to be unable to tell the difference.
gnc women can be “ugly”, have short hair, baggy clothes, wear no makeup, etc. they still look female.
Troons can’t do the same. They’re also “ugly”, because they’re male, despite their efforts to disguise it. No hairstyle, clothes, or makeup can change this fact. If troons styled themselves like gnc women, they would be unmistakably male.
I know the lipstick and bright colors distract your primitive mind. But not everyone is as unobservant as you are.
You’re the whiny HSTS troon from /snow/. If Blair White dressed like me, no one would think he’s anything other than a man. Yet I have never been mistaken for a man a single time in my life. Same applies to you, gay boy. Take away all of your affectations and there’s nothing left for you to claim as female. Most non-retards can clearly see through the veneer, anyways. No. 2514396
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I resisted this for a long while but I get it now. I am peaked… I've done it now, if that makes me transphobic then so be it.
I know the language I use is offensive and my views aren't technically politically correct. I'm in a very liberal city and university where TWAW and even head societies about gender equality. But I'm also in the UK and it took a while for it to sink in, the supreme court ruling, but I'm quietly enjoying this victory and wondering how many other women enjoy it in shameful silence like me. I can't risk my career by being open about it but somehow I believe that there is an understanding between a large number of women that they secretly agree with me. Even other genz women like me, in my circles, may defend TW and advocate for them with a story post on Instagram, but somehow I don't fully believe them. It's only ever gay and bi men I run with that I think truly support TW, because half of them want to be them or fuck them.
Blog incoming but only a few nights ago I went clubbing with a friend of mine and some fag friends of hers, and fag B creeped me out wanting to swap clothes and, it felt like, become me… He kept talking about how good I looked in this top and how he wanted to wear it - an expressly feminine low cut top mind you. Am I delusional?
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Is this true nonnas? Trannies really get to do anything. If this stuff doesn’t peak women I don’t see how we’ll ever get out of it.
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>>2514406i don't know if this is true but it's well known that males like to assault women with their bodily fluids. i believe many women who haven't peaked exist within a bubble of ignorance and are unaware of how utterly hated they are simply for existing, or that the only thing these men value about them is their unquestioning subservience
No. 2514432
>>2514431>picIt's so weird to me. No other so-called hate group is so, like, overtly lusted after by their ideological opposition.
Like anyone who hates Nazis or MAGAs or whatever want to harm them but they don't obsessively talk about raping them. It's only TERFs who are talked about in such a degrading way.
If they could not be so horny all the time they could have done a better job making TERFs look like the true bigots but instead they just reveal that the cold hard reality TERFs are women seeking liberation from male oppression.
There is nothing more embodying of patriarchal oppression on the left than paraphiliac men in dresses.
No. 2514450
>>2514396Every time a former TRA sympathizer peaks I feel hope for the future.
It's hard to peak because of the immense female socialization the troons use, like the whole "we are so weak and pathetic we don't wanna hurt no one" performance is specifically used to weaponize our empathy. But they just can't hide their true predatory fetishistic selves.
I hope that over the next few years more and more crypto's come out of the
TERF closet and we have
TERF pride parades and shit.
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Another day, another story that never happened.
No. 2514559
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>if a man likes to wear dresses, it means he's a tranny!
No. 2514634
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anyone here thinks AGP is the default sexuality of moids? i'm not a gigastacy or anything, i'm goth and dress in mostly basic black clothes and definitely don't fit my own country beauty standards, but more than 3 moids or so have told me if they were women they'd dress like me. unsolicited. and the other two moids i've sexually been with have showed jealousy of me or told me they want some body part of myself (my breasts or my waist) for themselves. it's creepy af if you think about it.
No. 2514639
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>>2512619She just responded to a TRA with a Jujutsu Kaisen name like this KEK
No. 2514646
>>2514392>Every case of “pro trans” rhetoric from back then was in the form of transhumanist/communistic wishful thinkingHmm thats explains why many of them dated with AGPs specifically butch/gnc ones
>Only moids are stupid enough to be unable to tell the differenceWomen are men now clearly. Why you fucking idiot keep bringing about makeup and dresses. Like if the only thing that makes gnc is makeup. Im talking about women who are tall have big frame and/or very masculine faces which is in many cases caused by medical conditions pcos is one for example, im not even going to mention intersex females. Anyway thats how I know most of you are nothing but bunch stupid reactionary women that doesnt even understand who they hurt with this rhetoric and their ideology is just traditional misogyny.
>>2514388Cant expect more women to get fired from their jobs/position for being mistaken for a man then
>>2514409Yeah by trying to take their femininity away from them and paint it as mens weapon
(infighting/baiting) No. 2514678
>>2514649Trannies or not, the audacity of males to try to 'fix' some woman's makeup and give her tips on how to look, if this story was true (which it isn't), would be mindblowing.
>>2514665Tragic. I thought it had to be satire but some men really are like this in public I guess.
No. 2514695
>>2514646>um actually radfems want to fuck us. ur idols were dating transbians. ur tribe has been conquered by my tribe’s by way of penislol no surgeries can help correct that male brain if yours.
I am taller than the average male in my country, have short hair, and wear non-feminine clothes. I have never been mistaken for a man. You can stomp your feet and deny it all you want. Your morphology is male. Go outside skinwalking me and you will be “sir”’d 100% of the time.
No. 2514730
>>2514175Sorry,
nonnie, AYRT. That was a spur-of-the-reaction moment because I was so pissed. Also, thank you for the anons who were so kind to me about my retarded vent post.
>>2514559> all from a film that still can't quite stomach the word "trans"…Isn't that from "I Watched the TV Glow"? The movie directed by a TIM that all the gendies were losing their shit over? You really can never make these people happy.
No. 2514776
>>2514646No one has been fired from their jobs because they were mistaken for trans. I implore you to find a single instance where this has happened. Ugly women who are treated poorly by society are
victims of misogyny, not transphobia. Ugly women have faced ridicule long before men started a social movement to be recognized as women.
Femininity as it is commonly defined is a male construct. There is no empowerment in identifying as a social role designated as inferior, subservient, and frivolous. The best you can ever achieve is persuading men to offer more generous compensation in trading your humanity for a pittance. Feminism is not about haggling with men to be treated as a more valuable utility, it’s about liberating women from this transactional system and create their own value.
Men are already too stupid to understand these concepts, throw trans shit in the mix and they can’t form a single coherent point.
No. 2514804
>>2514777The anon who mentioned Blaire White is what made him start seething on the /snow/ thread in the first place so she obviously wasn't the moid, and I'm the JP anon, a third unrelated person. My entire point bringing up Jordan Peterson was that the rudefem anons in the /snow/ thread were right, you can do everything 'right' in terms of talking nicely to/about troons and they will still cancel everyone who pushes back against them, I don't know how you can possibly misconstrue that as a pro-trans argument. Anyway, it's rude to accuse actual female anons of all being some moid and the sooner you ignore him the sooner he will go away. I already reported, you should too.
>>2514776>No one has been fired from their jobs because they were mistaken for trans.It's illegal to fire someone for being trans or gender nonconforming in most countries anyway. IDK where these troons get the idea all their legal protections have been taken away, when in reality they're just pitying themselves because they can't punish women for not referring to them how they like anymore (in, like, two countries - they still can in most of the rest of the West).
>>2514795I have PCOS and I have no beard, no masculinization whatsoever except for weight gain. I'm physically very stereotypically feminine looking even though I'm not into makeup and whatever. The worst thing PCOS did is give me horrible periods, a fucked up metabolism and hormonal disorders that fucked up my immune system, no beard. One of my best friends has PCOS and she's not even fat, she's very pretty and feminine but she grows like 5 hairs on her chin that she has to pluck. I don't think moids realize how many women have PCOS, it's estimated to be like 12% of millennial/zoomer women. We don't all look like men. I'm so sick of this actual health disorder that has ruinous consequences for women's actual health being treated as some 'mannish woman' gotcha disease when the health effects are much more severe for most women than any effect on your looks.
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No. 2514897
>>2514798This is why I think women should actually be more suspicious of men who act very 'stereotypically feminine' for men. There's a difference between a moid acting not-stereotypically-masculine and a moid acting stereotypically feminine - I think the first is generally a good thing, moids just acting like normal people instead of egregiously moidish suggests that they are probably mentally healthier and have a more interesting personality, but when moids lean into femininity stereotypes I just assume they either have some severe hangups about being male or that they are fetishizing femininity/womanhood in some way.
>>2514836Yeah seriously this sounds like a fucking nightmare if the story is true at all and she wasn't at a drag bar or gay bar or something (which she probably was lbr, there was never some huge population of gay HSTS moids walking around everywhere). Moids are not good at women's makeup and fashion anyway and it's obnoxious enough that the ones who are somewhat good at it monopolize all the good jobs in fashion/beauty so they can control and capitalize off of women. Fashion is full of gay moids who think they can grope women and treat them like walking dolls because 'I don't want to rape you though so why do you care if I keep grabbing your boobs!' I knew gay men like this when I was younger and it was still sexual assault. But your average moid is nowhere near as good at makeup and aesthetics as women and even if he was he has no right to bother women about how they look, it's extremely misogynistic actually. Women get enough nitpicking and scrutiny of our looks from straight men already who want to mold us into some stupid porn fantasy without gay men joining in and trying to 'help us' appeal to straight moids better. Gay moids who do this shit are like the worst combination of moid behaviour and nasty catty mean girl behaviour from teen movies, and when you're a woman you always have a sense you just serve an instrumental purpose to these moids (using you to get closer to straight men, using you for an ego boost, putting you down to make themselves feel better, etc). The HSTS men I knew always just used me and other women around us like props in their weird social games with straight men.
>>2514482Also I just re-read this post and realized she was talking about drag queens in women's bathrooms in the same breath as HSTS moids. So is this about trans identity or not? If it's about how men need to go into women's bathrooms to pee because they feel like trve and honest women, what are drag queens (the 'cis men' she referred to at the end of her post, who know they're men) doing there? Posts like this prove that it was never about dysphoria or some internally felt gender identity, it was about performing femininity stereotypes as a man and wanting to get asspats for it. Moids choosing to dress up as women and then saying 'oh no I'm unsafe in the men's bathrooms because men will hate crime me' caused their own problem and they can always take the womanface off if they're too scared of other moids hate criming them for putting on womanface and mocking women.
No. 2514947
>>2514911At least you dodged the bullet. One of my friends (who was GC, which makes it weirder) dated one of these effeminate moids and he trooned out, dropped out of school, stopped working and relied on her completely to fund his NEET lifestyle, and they still got married anyway (he made her wear a suit so he could wear the white dress) because (I'm guessing) she felt like she was too deep into the relationship to leave. She stopped talking to me after the wedding and stopped posting on social media too which makes me think she's in a dark place now.
I had a shy, effeminate long-haired moid friend who I had a small crush on in the past too who also trooned out after years of complaining about his love life. It really confuses me because he always seemed like such a normal, nice person if a little too insecure and sensitive, and he wasn't autistic. But now he is in some t4t jailhouse gay relationship while dressing the way the girls he tried to date always dressed (kind of alt/emo) and everyone feels really awkward around him when he used to have a lot of good friends even if he seemed socially insecure. I don't think he started being openly racist or anything like your friend but he's probably miserable because even the gendie people who hang out with him struggle with his pronouns (he is really, really male looking) and I don't get why moids self-sabotage like this when they were actually outwardly likeable before. One of the reasons I never acted on my small crush was because he seemed incredibly insecure and that always seemed like a red flag to me, and every time I hear another one of these stories it further convinces me that these shy insecure moids are not worth it. Their shyness is often appealing to women around them but it's hiding something in their psyche that isn't healthy.
No. 2515005
>>2514981I've known some decent gay men who have normal friendships with women but the decent ones are usually the pretty low key kind of gay man, like the ones who dress and act more or less like normal men and don't participate in the drag/club community and just get a long term boyfriend and settle down. The types of gay men who act egregiously effeminate, are obsessed with drag, constantly vying for female attention about their outfits and 'girly' hobbies and appropriate AAVE/female slurs are some of the most sexist men I've ever met though. They seem to view women as competition and want to act like high school bullies toward women as adults, have no qualms about being physically violent toward women and they do shit like giving women advice on fashion and makeup in order to take women down a peg and make them self-conscious. These are the moids who tell women we should be flattered by creepy male attention (because they are) but this type of effeminate gay man is the type that women were psyopped into believing we should hang out with and befriend by TV sitcoms and movies, RuPaul's drag race etc. It's the same type of gay man who tends to troon out as well to try to expand their dating options to 'straight' men and love to talk about how they 'make better women than actual women.' They may not go into a women's bathroom or change room for sexual gratification but they do it to flex on women and feel smug that they can assert dominance and women will just accept the mistreatment. When they troon out these moids always claim they're too scared to use the male restroom because men will attack them there but I've seen these moids constantly getting themselves into situations on purpose that women would find terrifying like getting rides from creepy old men they just met in the middle of the night or sitting on the laps of drunk grabbyhands male strangers at bars. One time I was leaving a bar in a bad neighborhood with an HSTS I knew late at night and some of our friends offered to walk him home and he literally was like 'why? I don't feel unsafe, what are they gonna do to me?' and started mocking the women that offered to walk him for feeling unsafe out on the street alone at 3am.
Then there's the bisexual men who pretend to be gay in order to creep on women which is a whole other variety, women let their guard down because they assume the moids wouldn't want to creep on us which they use to violate women's physical and sexual boundaries. I knew a guy like this in middle school/high school who would do shit like running his hands up girls' inner thighs or squeezing their boobs and the girls mostly just wrote it off as 'funny gay boy things,' then at the end of high school he came out as bisexual and started dating women.
No. 2515131
>>2515117Yeah and unfortunately genderists came up with this new way to force gender conformity right when western society was finally making positive strides in accepting gender nonconformity in women. It feels like a deliberate backlash against the fact women managed to successfully advocate for ourselves and start to convince men that we are just as capable of doing shit they deemed 'male brained' like academics, engineering, art, etc. and as soon as not performing feminine subservience through our clothing and grooming choices started to become normalized. I grew up thinking it was fine to be a tomboy, this next generation of kids now thinks they need to chop off their body parts and take chemotherapy drugs about it. The disgusting lack of empathy adult troons show when they groom children into self-harm to validate their own stupid choices really should be called out more. They're using literal children as shields to hide behind after mindfucking them and telling them they're not normal for having a personality or body insecurities.
>>2515120The medical industry does make millions from troons, but adult troons themselves benefit from throwing children under the bus to validate the idea that you can be 'born trans.' I know a lot of people in the medical and pharmaceutical industry are psychopaths but normally they try to avoid such obvious mengele-level human experimentation because society will call them out for it.
>>2515119Save us farmhands
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Please stop responding to the bait/transposter nonas.
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>>2515121
The only category of woman you could even ID into is libfem pickme who kills off her humanity to better capitalize on the reward system selfish and entitled men offer her.
Natal women who are unfortunate enough to revolve their identity around playing the part of woman-object can at least transition into domestic appliance and wifeslave once their use as sexdoll has expired. Unlike you. Who cannot reproduce, and no man wants to have an ugly, infertile, indignant man loitering around his house no more willing to do domestic labor than he himself is.
You won’t extend your female use cycle by transitioning into a “crone”. You won’t be married to some scrote and live the rest of your unsexy life in a tolerable state of misery and regret with your family to keep your mind occupied. You’ll be pumped and dumped by chasers until you’re too ugly to have any man tolerate your company.
These women are already pathetic and miserable. What do you think is going to happen to you? You already have difficulty finding the heterosexual men you desire to give you a chance, let alone to lock down. What is going to happen to the HSTS once he reaches middle age and beyond? When you can’t be a slay girliepop anymore?
I know men are stupid and impulsive but willingly identifying into an inferior existence and permanently altering your identity just to chase some orgasms is the most egregious display of their retardation to date. Many of you are essentially screaming at the universe to end your existence. You are a failed specimen. It’s sad that we allowed so many inferior males to access incel DEI and pass down their self-terminating genes. There’s going to be a mass extinction event and it’ll be in the form of retard moid leftovers taking themselves out. You will end the experiment that is your life in pointless misery. Count how many disappointing sexual encounters you had that made it all worthwhile. Go ahead.
No. 2515187
>>2515146I don't think drag queens are as threatening as the moids trying to get into women's spaces but they usually support troons and they are contributing to the whole gender ideology issue (like with drag queen story hour). They are also mocking women while wearing womanface and I find them really creepy and always did. They shouldn't have been in women's bathrooms either way since they openly admit to being men.
>>2515156As good as your post is, nonna, just report and ignore the retarded troll.
>What is going to happen to the HSTS once he reaches middle age and beyond? When you can’t be a slay girliepop anymore? This is when they either detransition, or become suicidal, or become depressed shut-in alcoholics/homeless schizos depending how much financial help they have. A lot of them hit that point way before middle age anyway once the addictive high of getting the next hit of plastic surgery or hormones or crossdressing wears off. These are impulsive, mentally dysregulated addicts who rely on transition to dissociate from their lives and once they perform whatever the final 'stage' of transition is and can't get that sweet hit of gender euphoria anymore they crash out, like most terminal addicts. Best case scenario they detrans and try to start over and live a normal life but that's often impossible after all the horrible things they've done to their bodies so many of them end up in detrans/retrans schizo cycles like that one youtuber or the british gendie man who was in the news a few years ago (I forget his name) but even these detrans males usually try to rely on validation from GC/radfem women since they can't develop their own healthy identity anymore and end up chimping out in rage when GC women won't constantly coddle them either. That's why mutilating these men should be illegal in the first place, you don't cut off the legs of a person with BID or give an anorexic lipo, you try to help them before it's too late. After they've ruined their bodies at great cost to the taxpayer and butcher-doctors have raked in their cash they just become a burden to society at best and violent at worst. I would go further than many GC women who say 'do whatever you want to your body, as long as you aren't legally a woman.' We shouldn't be supporting this shit off in any way shape or form, if they want to chop their dicks off they should do so themselves at home.
No. 2515198
>>2515187>This is when they either detransition, or become suicidal, or become depressed shut-in alcoholics/homeless schizos depending how much financial help they have. What I don't understand is their rabid insistence to pass this shit on to children? Is it pedophiliac in nature or just them projecting their delusion that "if they just trooned out younger then they would have cured their gender dysphoria"?
That's what fucks with me. They have to know their lifestyle sucks and is incredibly expensive to maintain.
Even non troon plastic surgery addicts don't feel the need to go into elementary schools to tell children they are ugly and the only cure is a boxtox or suicide.
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>>2515176I get why it's allowed because it is a women's site and they are still women but I agree that they are highly annoying. I wish they would just go touch grass and snap out of it especially considering they are on lolcow and can clearly see all the evidence here of how transition and dysphoria are mental illness and self-harm. The irony of some mentally ill woman who wants to destroy her body for no reason thinking she's of higher mind than mentally healthy women rather than trying to learn something from them.
>they're likely coom rotted in some way, because why else would they be so obsessed with women "submitting"Yeah it's always porn. These tend to be the same women who insist every single male is a coomer and chimp out at any woman who points out that not every single person on the face of the planet is a porn addict. They're making excuses for themselves while pretending it's a criticism of moids to get sympathy from the women they look down upon so much.
>>2515198I think it's a combination of both and some other things besides. There are various reasons including
>AGP pedos who get off on child transition and want to push society toward accepting 'child rights' aka child sexual rights. If children are considered mature enough to sterilize themselves or choose their own medical interventions then they can be considered mature enough to engage in sex with adults and teaching gender ideology to children is a way to get grooming into preschools, schools, children's camps, etc. See Alok Vaid Menon who claimed 'little girls are kinky' (picrel)>Men who don't pass and think they would have passed better if they'd transitioned earlier, trying to prove their inability to pass is society's fault and lean into the victimhood by transing children as some bizarre self-soothing mechanism>Punishing GNC children (especially young GNC girls, who troon males are seethingly jealous of both because they wish they had a 'girlhood' and because they're effortlessly female despite not performing femininity) for having what the troon males never had and can never have>Transing young girls makes troonism more palatable to the public. Most troons used to be adult males but transing children, especially female children so the sex ratio of troons is mostly male, makes the trans movement seem more harmless and engenders more empathy/pity in the public, especially women. Plus they can then use these early-transitioned people as gotchas by saying 'look, would you really want this totally passing 14 year old TIM "girl" to be in the men's bathroom with male predators?' or 'look, would you women really want this bearded roided woman who looks like a man in YOUR bathroom?'>Direct grooming on discord etc. Pedos take advantage of children looking for bathtub HRT they can hide from their parents by becoming their 'mentors' and teaching them how to secretly get HRT or clothes or whatever. >Getting troon surgeries and hormones covered by medical insurance. They know it's incredibly expensive out-of-pocket so if they get a lot of young kids hooked on permanent medical care the health care system and insurances are more likely to be willing to pay for the procedures and drugs since they can't tell kids to pay for that shit out of pocket especially if their parents don't approve.I might have missed something but I think these are the main reasons.
No. 2515230
>>2515203The thing is, it worked for them before. Drag queens managed to get drag makeup (2015 makeup) normalized for like an entire decade among women by convincing women who don't need much makeup (well, they don't need any, but I mean much subtler makeup works perfectly fine even to achieve dramatic looks for women) that they should look like drag queens on a daily basis. The plastic surgery obsession plus normalization of drag makeup conveniently makes it harder to tell the difference between actual women and HSTS troons, since extremely botched women with caked on drag makeup end up looking so unnatural and weird people sometimes mistake troons for them. A good example is the redheaded troon in the Jubilee video posted near the start of the thread, at first I just thought it was a plastic surgery
victim woman. I know it's not only troons and gay males pushing the plastic surgery obsession but their obsessive need to nitpick women's appearances serves the double purpose of active sabotage as well as just trying to reinforce their superiority and get women to uncomfortably giggle and accept being insulted because they pretend to be well meaning.
No. 2515240
>>2515215Your explanation about child trooning holds a lot of water. It really just feels like a branch of pedophilia. Pedos are just predators and will cling to literally anything and everything if it means making children vulnerable enough for them to abuse.
What do you think about the case of Jazz Jennings? His mom wasn't a troon, was this just intense handmaidenry in combination with Munchausen by proxy?
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>>2515240Jazz Jennings is a weird case because he was basically the first famous child transitioner (template for troons to use later) but I don't think troons were responsible for his transition at all, his mom was. His family is extremely religious conservative so I think they were disturbed their son was effeminate and thought that if they made him a girl they wouldn't end up with an effeminate gay son. Ironically a lot of effeminate young boys just grow out of it and become gender conforming later/aren't even gay so it was probably pointless, but genderism just just another side of the same coin with extreme conservatism that obsesses over gender conformity. So I think the far-right religious aspect was one aspect of it.
Another aspect of it is that his mom is an obvious attention-seeking controlling narc and this got her endless fame and asspats from the public, constant media appearances etc. as well as almost total control over her youngest child. Since the puberty blockers made Jazz mentally delayed and emotionally retarded she can basically parent him for the rest of his life because he's incapable of living or making decisions independently. This is often the motivation for munchausens by proxy parents and I also think it was the case here. The woman is a demon who feeds off fame and media attention and wanted to live vicariously through/control her child forever. IIRC they had tried to do various things to get media attention/hollywood contracts before the Jazz show, but don't quote me on that.
Blog but I worked as a movie extra over the summer for extra cash in college and she reminded me of a lot of the stage parents who had their kids working on movie sets. They flounce around, try to get attention from the actors and directors, if one child isn't doing well in the industry they just push the younger child harder (most of these people have like 4-6 children), they put their kids in modeling agencies/modeling agency scams, pageants, acting, advertising, competitive dance, sports, literally anything that will get them attention but the children for the most part obviously aren't as into it as the parents. I think Jennings' mom is just a really extreme case of this complex which happens to narc women once they've passed the age where they get lots of sexual attention themselves and they feel the attention on them is fading. Many of them wanted to be in the entertainment industry themselves when they were younger but couldn't swing it so they live vicariously through the kid. Same thing with Desmond is Amazing's mom, she was literally shopping him out to gay male pedos when he was 7/8 years old and taking him to bars where men were doing lines of coke around him because she herself had always been obsessed with Michael Alig and was his weird fujo groupie in her youth. She ignored her older daughter and didn't even feed her regularly.
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>>2515269Idk but he's so disgusting and a bunch of my (former) college friends were irl friends with him and that Jacob Tobia creep and constantly licked their assholes (metaphorically), now I see him fucking everywhere even though he is a disgusting dysgenic misogynist pedo. He did a huge ad campaign for Ugg Australia recently, like… why?
No. 2515299
>>2515280I think more than the handmaidens I am most pissed at the media for giving a platform to these disgusting pedos.
I remember when pedophila was at least shamefully hidden. I hope this is a transition from hiding pedophilia to eventually shaming every kiddy riddler in entertainment.
But I doubt it. Hollywood is satanic. I'm not religious but I believe in evil
No. 2515320
i'm a boomer when it comes to posting on here and don't know how to directly link to videos so apologies in advance, but has anyone seen the video of masked antifa people following and hurling threats at an elderly woman with a cane? this made me feel sick to my stomach. demonic. cruel. violating. i don't even see people talking like this to white supremacists or child murderers. i don't understand what it is about this particular issue that brings out such radiant waves of irrational hatred
video is here:
https://x.com/KatieDaviscourt/status/1919951909336543531 No. 2515351
>>2515187Transitioning gives men access to a catastrophic midlife crisis. Dusty old men who realize the “peak” of their value has passed crash out similarly. When they can no longer scrounge together any semi-plausible delusions about being some sort of pussy slaying chad. They usually cope by getting a sports car or divorcing their wife and burning money on hookers. The TiMs? There is no copium to huff. They were already pushing the limits of delusion up until the point of exhaustion.. If you hinge your entire identity around being a desirable sex object, what can you do when absolutely no one is left to desire you? When no one even thinks keeping you as a house slave is a worthy investment? It’s not like these men want that anyways, even if they could find someone willing to tolerate their proximity. Troons will only ever perform the “fun” (sexual) part of femininity. The TiM does not start doing more thankless chores or performing more unreciprocated charity/care work in his quest to emulate the “female experience”.
Since the only access he has to womanhood is a sexual performance, and he can no longer perform, what’s left?
There’s nothing. These moids literally become what other misogynistic males threaten women with constantly for non-compliance. Self hatred, regret, lonliness, jealousy, imbittered irrelevance. There is no amount of compliance the troon can manage to change his fate. He has a certifiable expiration date, and there’s nothing he can do to un-rot himself once the mold starts growing.
I think this may be why HSTS get very upset over not being accepted. They don’t want to have sex with women, but they need a steady stream of fag hags to reaffirm his “womanhood”. They’d be the only people to give them validation once the chasers start chasing younger tail. It’s not just about future farming, either, since even fags know chaser approval means very little, even while they’re being chased.
No. 2515359
Jesus christ, how did it take farmhands nearly a whole day to ban the baiting tranny? The audacity to come into gender ideology hate thread to bitch and whine about "muh hateful terfs".
I'm especially bothered by the >"being gender critial akshually harms gnc women because they're being mistaken by troons"
rhetoric they're trying to push. For starters, no it doesn't, even most women who've been on T for years don't pass as men, a gnc woman who's just living as her natural hairy makeup-less self won't ever be confused for a troon. Secondly, even if it did happen, do trannies not realize it's literally their fault too? Years ago before your average normie even knew troons existed, no one batted an eye at bald, hairy or even androgynous looking women at women's toilets. Sure, maybe some lesbophobic old lady would've given her side eye, but all it took to confirm an androgynous looking person was a woman was observing their secondary sex characteristics and it becomes obvious. Who were the ones who campaigned for men to have access to hormones for menopausal women that would make them grow moobs? Who were the ones who campaigned for men to get surgeries to try to skinwalk us in every aspect? Who were the ones who tried to normalize "butch transbians" aka just masculine men calling themselves dykes? If some young masc lesbian does end up getting beaten up by people for thinking she was trans, no one else is to blame but trannies who wanted their degeneracy to be as visible and normalized as possible. You literally instilled fear and distrust into people's minds by continuing to violate normal people's boundaries and continuously defending the most degenerate of your kind. We TOLD you this would backfire, especially for gnc gay people or women with pcos, but you insisted on putting your privileged asses above every actual oppressed minority.
No. 2515382
>>2515230>2015 make upI'm getting war flashbacks. I distinctly remember James Charles claiming he was "just like women in male-dominated spaces" for being a moid in the beauty industry… Except not at all because literally every other big name in the youtube make up guru industry was also a moid. Jeffree Star, Nikita Dragun, Manny MUA. The only popular "female" beauty guru was fat Nikki Tutorials, and even he ended up coming out as a tranny. All these impressionable young girls ended up getting shilled a ton of useless, expensive, pore clogging bullshit they didn't need only to end up looking like whole ass men. These men were also extremely misogynistic, racist, and even pedophilic. But faghags were so into virtue signaling that they were woke enough to watch gay dudes put on make up they really got swept into cultishly adoring these morally bankrupt predators in glitter.
Gay=GOOD straight=BAD tumblr culture will be the death of us.
No. 2515400
>>2515176They're genuinely so annoying because it seems like they don't even
want to be "cured" from their dysphoria (mental illness), they're so hostile and stubborn about their views for no reason.
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Esquire has won a Pulitzer for their article trying to make the creepy cross dressing pastor who creeped on kids and wrote about murdering and skinwalking a random woman in his town into some kind of tragic character.
No. 2515422
>>2515414Where did any of us say it was surprising, dummy? we're just pointing out how double fucked up it is handmaidens got tricked into looking like men so moids who wanna look like women would feel less insecure about actually needing all that shit to look feminine.
>>2515412I feel bad for dysphoric women but yeah, troonism is just such a naverlgazey non-issue that I feel like the solution for most "dysphoric" people would be to just stop thinking about it and go outside. A person with hobbies, friends and interests wouldn't be constantly obsessing over their outer appearance because its genuinely irrelevant in most aspects. Some people may have genuine incurable dysphoria, but for most of these zoomers it's just the new autism, they watched a tiktok about it and convinced themselves they have it when they just need to go outside and do something with their lives.
No. 2515428
>>2515320This is so awful but antifa and troon activists have been doing this shameful shit for years now, like that 75 year old grandma who got beaten up by 3 troons at Speaker's Corner like a decade ago. They always pick on someone physically weak and then feel like they're some righteous warriors for good or something after mobbing a little old lady or disabled person who can't fight back.
>>2515351>These moids literally become what other misogynistic males threaten women with constantly for non-compliance. Great point nonna. It's male projection as usual but they play themselves by speedrunning their slide into total misery and irrelevance because they can't restrain themselves and find something worthwhile to do. Coomer addict mentality, they have high time preference and can't plan ahead the same way porn addicts break their dicks by cooming 5x per day to increasingly depraved porn (these are the same people anyway).
>They don’t want to have sex with women, but they need a steady stream of fag hags to reaffirm his “womanhood”.This was one of the things that pissed me off about the older radfems on r/GC always platforming some troon moid who 'was GC' and 'said he was a man' while still doing all the physical transition and crossdressing shit. These moids are just as depraved as the other TIMs, they just realized they can milk more attention from GC women, the very special very exclusive circle of women who normally don't asspat moids, if they pretend to be GC. Their fellow males hate them but they feel like their life is still worth something if women continue to give them the time of day and affirm them. Back when I posted on r/GC in like 2016 I kept telling them to stop platforming these men and that they were the worst type of men but female socialization is a hell of a drug I guess, the same women like girl_undone who would chimp out at any woman who admitted to wearing skirts or having long hair because 'it's performing female submission and you can't be gender critical while shopping in the women's clothing section' would also write flowery gushing novels about how wonderful some moid with silicone H-cups wearing a mini pencil skirt and fishnet stockings is because he goes to a radfem conference to speak about how he isn't really a woman just an AGP who masturbates into women's panties. They would say 'these men are actually helping destroy the gender binary by being openly GNC so they do more for us than most men' kek. Anyway this is getting off topic but I can't believe how often women, even GC women, fall for these self-pitying predator moids as long as they pretend to agree with us or 'relate' to us for attention.
No. 2515446
>>2514283I'm so tired of this stupid trend. We don't have famous women simply being weird anymore, they all have to become some sort of deranged tif. I wish they started realizing the reason why traditionally feminine women go she/they at worst, this is a social contagion that only targets insecure women, with hang ups about gender because of bullying.
I thought it was refreshing that Lorde could be so famous while not being the embodiment of feminity and yet still identifying as a woman, but eventually they all fall to this sexist cult.
No. 2515449
>>2515359I have no idea, I reported like all of its posts and they even redtexted like 2 of them but then let it keep sperging out for 3-4 more hours. My fav was when it claimed famous
TERF athlete Martina Navratilova was an example of a
victim of GC women because people transvestigated her in the 90s (no they didn't kek she just got hate for being an out lesbian).
>a gnc woman who's just living as her natural hairy makeup-less self won't ever be confused for a troon.This is just something males tell themselves to self-soothe because they can't stand the reality that no matter how many surgeries they get and how much makeup they slap on their faces they will never be as effortlessly female as even the most GNC female. It's like atheists who try to argue with Christians by pulling some out of context bible quote out of their asses (I'm atheist too and not supporting Christianity inb4 someone starts accusing me of christcuckery) to try to argue Christians into some position they themselves don't even believe, it's just embarrassing. 'Sure I don't believe GNC women are real women but YOU do so what if I weaponize transvestigation of GNC women against you feminazis, huh? What now?' They are so retarded and have so little understanding of GC positions they think that shit will actually work on us even though they themselves would tell the GNC woman she's actually a man if they met her.
>do trannies not realize it's literally their fault too? They do, they don't care though. It's another one of their tactics. They deliberately create a situation where everyone is on high alert for males in their intimate spaces, then sit back and laugh and congratulate themselves when it ends up backfiring on some poor innocent woman who got mistaken for a moid by some retarded chimp male.
>Who were the ones who tried to normalize "butch transbians" aka just masculine men calling themselves dykes?They do this so women are told masculine presenting 6' tall men with beards have every right to be in a women's bathroom or change room and then they point to some bearded TIF and say 'look, you wouldn't want THAT in a women's bathroom with you, now would you?' Women are afraid of bearded people in men's clothes in their spaces precisely because you told us that literal moids don't have to even try to pass to be let in, as long as they say they're feeling girly that day. Vid related, here's some british moid browbeating 2 of the women involved in the recent british Supreme Court decision trying to guilt trip them with some bearded TIF, studiously avoiding asking about her obvious hulking male TIM 'wife' and whether any women want that in their bathrooms. So we were supposed to accept actual male-presenting bearded 6'5 hulking masc-presenting males in our bathrooms and that's fine, but now we should regret making bathrooms single-sex because some 5'4 bearded TIF might get in there and scare us? Okay, and who caused this? Who gave the TIF the hormones to masculinize herself in the first place? Did radfems support that?
No. 2515454
>>2515428Understand that most men have interests outside of sex on second order, and often begrudgingly. Men do things that aren’t fucking 24/7 because they can’t fuck 24/7. If most men had a guaranteed endless rotation of pussy, they’d do
nothing but fuck pussy. All of their efforts are to secure pussy, their hobbies just activities to pass the time when they aren’t able to actively hunt for pussy (however many of their hobbies are just sex simulations).
Because of this, the moid does not understand why women could have a life outside of sex at all. They cannot imagine an existence that doesn’t revolve around procuring sex, that’s how much primacy it takes in their minds. They think we are either preening for sex or filling up time between sex with meaningless frivolities.
When men “become” women, this is what they become. A man’s idea of a woman, and it’s an existence as hollow as their own. The only difference is the amount of sex offers, but only for a small window of time. It is like giving moids a free pass to the sex carnival, they dedicate their entire lives to hopping on rides. But one day their ticket is revoked, and they’ve left with nothing. Twink death is “the wall”, but real.
This is also why men are so upset and confused when women do things that are “illogical” (not sex-seeking). Instead of humoring the idea that there are things more important than 24/7 sex procurement, they think we are stupid and vicious. Stupidly unaware of all the sex we could be having (and profiting from), Viciously denying them because we are so fully of hatred. They’re frustrated, confused, and jealous, all because they cannot fathom any other way to exist.
Being male is often comorbid with this disability. This is why troons are what they are. They do not portray themselves as women, they portray themselves as a man’s idea of a woman. Any man with an actual “female brain” would accept his own existence and be a full, complete human being regardless of his gonads. Only the most male-brained males consider themselves women “on the inside”. They are men trapped in men’s bodies. But to believe this is ironically the most male patterned thought a man can muster. The most male patterned mental affliction is ruining your life to larp as a male contrived projection, for orgasms.
No. 2515474
>>2515402This is absolutely horrifying, I remember when the original news stories about that creep came out everyone was just saying good I'm glad he killed himself, nothing of value was lost. Do they seriously think they're going to win the culture wars with some pathetic sob story about this creepy skinwalking stalker who terrorized an innocent woman for years?
>>2515414>>2515422>>2515386>>2515382Basically the entire 'praxis' of 2010s-era libfeminism was yas kweening the beauty industry and talking about how empowering slutty clothing, drag makeup ('eyeliner sharp enough to kill a man') and casual sex is while worshipping every gay and enby male for being so much better at all this empowering self-sexualization than women were. I honestly can't believe it was so successful and lasted so long, I remember getting called 'misogynist' and 'self hating' dozens of times for not wearing makeup or wearing normal modest comfortable clothes by the same retards who were making millions for pedos/misogynists like Alok and James Charles. Obviously the beauty industry was never going to benefit women but the disturbing thing is that moids managed to convince everyone, including actual academics, that this shit was the new frontier of feminism and they effectively turned all normies against the idea of feminism entirely with these antics. I know so many gen X/boomer normie types who used to say feminism is good and useful and gave them rights and now they just associate feminism with this gay shit and won't even listen to any radfem arguments because they think 'radical feminism' is 'extreme libfeminism.' Moids literally managed to hijack the entire women's movement for decades and turn it on its head and upside down, making it a movement for males to humiliate women and take women's money.
>>2515412There is no excuse for being so porn-addled, if your algorithm is feeding you porn so much just put your phone away and go outside. I have very limited sympathy for these types of women because I think it's a choice what they're doing to themselves and they always act condescending toward normal, mentally healthy women anyway so I think they want to stay in their fucked up coom cycle and actually enjoy it on some level. Sure occasionally people experience real dysphoria especially very young girls but most manage to grow out of it by getting off social media and developing actual interests and hobbies. Do a sport, take a pottery class, volunteer at the animal shelter or something. So much of this type of mental illness originates purely from the refusal to ever do anything geared at improving the world or helping other people. If they feel so bad about their bodies maybe they should volunteer at a nursing home and see how bad things could really be and develop some gratitude for their young, healthy, functioning bodies.
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I wish women could denounce genderists as bluntly as men without being canceled and getting death threats.
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>>2515446The only thing that's 'masculine' about being half naked on a red carpet with some weird illusion piece of fabric barely covering your chest is… that I think it's supposed to look like a cummerbund? When do men go on the red carpet almost in the nude? This is the most typical female celebrity shit imaginable and she thinks because the strip of fabric across her chest is cummerbund inspired she's male now.
>>2515454Nailed it anon. I do think some moids actually have real hobbies and interests (mostly the ones that somehow escaped porn addiction in childhood) but that number is dwindling the more male children have unfettered access to the internet and it's perfectly correlated to the rise of troonism, furryism and other weird transformation kinks and fetishes. The moids specifically hate and target GNC female children precisely because they think they're 'wasting' the opportunity to be a 24/7 sex receptacle, this is also why troon males always say shit like 'women are wasting their womanhood' and 'I'm a better woman than you could ever be,' because they see the purpose of femaleness as constant sexual degeneracy. They are confused and even offended that women 'waste' this opportunity not slutting it up 24/7, wearing normal non-sexualized clothes, or having genuine friendships. It's funny that the most vaunted and iconic trans academic is Andrea Long Chu because he perfectly described this belief in his book and the entire gender studies academia ate it up because it really is what all of them believe. He distilled their beliefs perfectly. Then when women pushed back and were horrified by his book he wrote a new afterword to it a few months ago which just doubles down and insists that the women who didn't 'get it' are low-IQ retards. He genuinely can't comprehend why women don't see ourselves this way. Handmaiden women keep trying to obfuscate and make excuses for trans ideology by claiming these are exceptions, this male is one of the bad ones, this is some fringe view that all the other troons don't share, but they should just look around at the stellar reception of this book by gender studies academia and realize that this IS the trans view, this is at the heart of all transactivism.
>The general consensus, among Rowling and her friends, is that Females is a work of slavering misogyny written by a confessed male pervert. I am told, for instance, that the line about the asshole being a “universal vagina” is a great affront not just to all women but to the dignity of that hallowed organ. (I will apologize to it the next time I see it.) It goes without saying that none of this merits refutation. But I will admit that the prediction made by some of my critics on the left—that the frank airing of a trans person’s ambivalence in matters of gender and sexuality would give “ammunition” to those who seek to eliminate us—is more concrete today than it was then. >Females is a very bold book, but not always as brave as it could have been. The glowering political pessimism that runs through it, for instance, borders on the irresponsible (although not because it failed in its assessment of feminist thought, which I stand by). What I do wish is that the book had been more historical, more materialist, more capable of explicitly connecting its transcendental concerns with the empirical situation at hand. I wrote in New York Magazine last year that the metaphysics of sex will be an empty pursuit as long as material inequality, including inequalities of biology, persists in our society. (A powerful thought: that the right of trans people to hormones and surgery is a question of redistributing biological wealth!) >So the general field of psychoanalysis, I thought, made a great deal more sense when one abandoned the assumption that the libido tended toward self-realization—in other words, that it was inherently “male,” a word that Freud to his credit had used only with some hesitation. In fact, I argued, one could assume the opposite: that at its most fundamental level desire was characterized by passivity, withdrawal, and abnegation, all of which psychoanalysis and the bourgeois European culture out of which it emerged associated with the female sex.>Perhaps one should say not that everyone “is” female but that a certain process of feminization, persistent and always incomplete, serves as the shifting sand on which the tent of subjectivity is pitched. This would be nicely in line with the sections on forced feminization in Females, which advanced what is still, in my opinion, the most elegant theory of pornography ever put to paper. Of course, like any candid analysis of a sexual subculture, this material was seized upon by some readers as lurid and inappropriate, especially given my openness. The gender-critical feminists, in particular, have held it up as a kind of smoking penis, proof of my fetishization of women and, by extension, the pathological character of all transfeminine desire. I find this very amusing. For what am I accused of? Not, it would seem, aggression, violence, control, or any of the other supposed hallmarks of toxic masculinity. On the contrary, I am imagined as a slave to my own perversions, as a narcissist fixated on my own physical appearance, as someone broken, dominated, violated, manipulated—in short, as hopelessly feminized.>for all their caterwauling about male domination, they are no different from the general public, which still greets the prospect of the willing feminization of men with horror and loathing. A fellow writer once jokingly asked me when she could expect to see the sequel to this book—Males, naturally—but the truth is that Females was always about men. The idea that all women were female was not a very hard sell, after all>everything that we think of as masculinity—even the worst kind, the kind that you find in seedy subreddits and at white nationalist marches—was really a way of negotiating, and learning to enjoy, the feminizing force of desire.https://www.nplusonemag.com/online-only/online-only/our-reasons/ No. 2515512
>>2515474Liberal feminism is essentially capitulating to misogynistic ideals/stereotypes while attempting to “remove its stigma” and capitalize off of it more than what was previously available. For example, they do not critique the sex work industry and empower women by removing that avenue of oppression/dehumanization and helping these women seek less harmful means to support themselves. They empower women by allowing them to better profit from it. Its advocacy for better compensated oppression, and whining when others recognize engaging in humiliation rituals is, in fact, humiliating.
They are basically offering previously enslaved women indentured servitude and calling it progress. Because you have a “choice” to be coerced into an unfavorable position, in a society built to usher you there.
Most libfems are ironically more “misandrist” than even radfems. They have accepted men can never chance and they are beyond reasonable reproach. They have a worse opinion of men, but paradoxically want to coddle them even more, undeservedly so. It’s cruel to ask that men change fundamentally, but not cruel to ask women to fundamentally change themselves. And honestly, who is more justified in doing so? I certainly don’t feel guilty for my history and present behavior.
It’s self effacing, morally bankrupt, all for nothing. Just to validate and embolden men who want to keep doing what they’ve always been doing, only making some of their pockets a little more empty with all those OF subs he’s sending.
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>>2515474>lasted so longBut the cringe/regret will be glorious! I seriously can't wait, it's already so enjoyable watching anons make fun of them here. It's already started in mainstream comedy, like the vacuous beauty streamer at the end of "Etoile". Side parts won't seem so embarrassing then, kekekekekeke
No. 2515519
>>2515516probably grew up as an effeminite gay man who was shit on by literally everyone except women.
Most fagoids will seethe about it and get jealous because women get their coveted straight scrotes, and some rare homochads will realize those straight scrotes were the ones who treated them the worst for being a GNC moid and actually develop empathy.
The HSTS are the former BY FAR.
No. 2515540
>>2515501We will never be able to do that because women will always be more vulnerable to men than men are to women. Men don't feel threatened by us like they do by other men, they say it themselves - they're scared of 'cis men' who are transphobes but all their fantasies are of correctively raping and killing 'transphobic' women, validating the rationality of the 'phobia.' But it would certainly help if this stopped being a verboten thing to say.
>>2515512>Its advocacy for better compensated oppressionWhich is especially pathetic considering how many of these people call themselves Marxists.
>Because you have a “choice” to be coerced into an unfavorable position, in a society built to usher you there.Well, it's actually a perfect solution to actual feminism isn't it? If 'choice feminism' is geared at making women feel like they had a choice, and every other
victim of female oppression had a choice, then they have no excuse when they feel oppressed later and they won't let anyone else, including actual trafficked women, make 'excuses' either. You can't have class solidarity to solve an issue when people are all convinced they freely made an individual choice to oppress themselves. It's the perfect solution to women waking up and realizing what society forces upon women. It's the 'learn to code' of sexual politics, basically. Then these same moids who supported this 'feminism' will claim that women took it too far with public misandry and #metoo and that manosphere shit like Andrew Tate is actually just a 'natural pushback' to 'man hatred that went too far, boys are growing up learning that they're bad just by nature of being born male boohoo of course they're angry and disenfranchised' and they'll roll out some clip of the Whatever Podcast where they bring some OF thots on to talk about how they're choosing sexual degradation and they're empowered to prove to women that male oppression is actually our fault and we just got uppity and should have stayed in the kitchen but we thought we'd get male respect by prostituting ourselves.
>They have a worse opinion of men, but paradoxically want to coddle them even moreThis perfectly explains the dysphoric TIFs/gendies/whatever nonnas were discussing upthread. It's some bizarre if you can't beat em, join em mentality. They make more excuses for coomer moids than anyone else while trying to act like coomer moids themselves and calling themselves misandrists.
No. 2515727
>Handmaiden women keep trying to obfuscate and make excuses for trans ideology by claiming these are exceptions
They often don’t bother attempting to address these cases. They accept this to be the definition of womanhood as well, and why they are so bought-in. This is why most TRA woman become gendies or some sort of spicy straight. They accept men’s insistence that a “woman” in her most base form is inferior, subhuman, an object for men to act upon, only a utility and only useful how men deem her so (sex and tedious, unrecognized labor).
When Hunter Schaffer (sp) wrote his psychopathic troonifesto, so many libfem women were agreeing to his sentiments exactly. This is also how they feel about womanhood.
It probably gives them some kind of relief to accept TiMs as well, in a completely bizarre way. If these men truly feel like they exist to be disposable things, then “masculinity” (aka humanity) isn’t inherently tied to male biology. Men don’t have a monopoly on personhood because of their “exceptions”, therefore the libfem isn’t tied to inhumanity due to her female biology. She can be “fluid”. She feels like a woman when she is low-agency, stupid, frivolous, or having embarrassing BDSM sex with her shitty boyfriend, and feels like a man when she has agency, introspection, and opinions.
They either don’t know or don’t care how horrible and regressive their belief system is. But it’s safe, and you don’t have to do anything but proclaim themselves exempt harm expected to befall them as women to avoid it. They don’t have to fix or feel bad about anything outside of their control.
Once they realize misogyny is often subhuman moid manifestations to create inversion of reality, and there’s no amount of word salad, hair dye, or thrifted baggy sweaters that can prevent them (and all) women being treated as female, maybe they’ll learn. But it’s hard to accept. You have to be comfortable with the fact the world is not built for you and there’s little you can do about it.
No. 2515737
>>2515176Depends. The issue here is that it originates from /2X/ which is full of schizo retards. I see dysphoria discussion in vent threads that are completely normal. In /2X/ it’s always “I hate dykes” “I want to stab and rape feminazis”.
Women legit need places to discuss dysphoria (whether you think it’s real or not) because otherwise they either get ostracized or get told to troon out. The only way you can break the cycle is by giving genuine support to those women. I’m not talking about the psychos either lol. Otherwise I agree with you, /2X/ is genuinely something else at this point. None of them want help and just argue with eachother all day with short violent messages. /2X/ is so fucking dead, there’s no point. Feminism is literally discussed everywhere else on this site now.
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>>2515764Gigakek
nonny, I support u
No. 2515801
>>2515709Couldn't ask for a better demonstration.
>>2515727Interesting theory. I feel like almost all women I meet automatically balk at sentiments like this from men, they feel more 'human' and like a person than what these moids describe (which is exactly why many women who are gendies and hear womanhood described this way by gendie men troon out - because they don't identify with this vision of womanhood at all, they feel like full and actualized interesting people). But just because I haven't seen what you're describing doesn't mean it isn't true of some women, I'm just glad I haven't encountered many of them. Most of the women I saw reacting to Honter's manifesto either said it's creepy or tried to make excuses for him that it was some fallout of child abuse or mental illness/self hatred because of his genderfeels/he'll get over it once he fully transitions or bla bla.
>Men don’t have a monopoly on personhood because of their “exceptions”, therefore the libfem isn’t tied to inhumanity due to her female biology. She can be “fluid”.This part I do think is true and I have observed it in women I know. I think maybe this fluidity/dichotomy comes out the most in situations like when before orgasming many women lose a lot of their 'sexual hangups' and are willing to have rough sex or be degraded but then they feel disgusted afterwards and dissociate from what just happened/cease to identify with it. I think TIMs also describe feeling this way when they masturbate in women's clothing. Obviously their motivations are different though, women put up with weird sex shit when their reservations are lowered mostly to please men while the TIMs do it to please themselves. I have known stupid BDSM/polycuck women who become enby seemingly due to this weird cognitive dissonance of letting themselves be cucked and degraded but wanting to feel like boss babes with agency in their normal lives and not wanting to actually work through the cognitive dissonance.
No. 2515815
>>2515737NTA. It's funny that the hidden board was supposed to serve the purpose that this thread serves (before this thread existed) but it somehow turned into the opposite of this thread and is full of dysphoric gendies, cockbreathchan blackpillers and right wing trads. I wonder why? Maybe because this thread is more integrated into the normal part of the site so more hinged people post in it while the type of people who post in the hidden board are more likely to be unhinged and singleminded? But you'd think that any lolcow user with dysphoria could read all the threads with detransers, peaked ex-gendies, etc. and see how harmful playing into your dysphoria delusion is, it's not like reddit where you're in a hugbox of would-be egg crackers.
I think most women would be happy to give support to women with dysphoria if they were normal about it and just asked for support/advice like normal people, but instead you get a lot of people seeking out deliberate echo chambers or… whatever is happening in this thread. I see it as kind of a young mentality to always go out of your way to help people who don't want to be helped and aren't asking for help, I used to try to do that more often and it always backfired so I save my help and support for people who actually want it now.
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the self-owns are so fucking funny kek. whenever i feel annoyed by trannies i just remember theyre all ugly, suicidal porn addict moids who would literally hang themselves for the chance to look like me and i feel better. you automatically win over them just by being a woman and thats pretty awesome
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>>2515737Ayrt see, but I'm talking about those "normal" vent posts like
>>>/ot/2515101>>>/ot/2515256and all the rest I'm not going to bother linking.
I find it cute the mods are absent when we have blackpill faggots reeing about how all women are doomed to be bangmaids because of our abberant uteruses, but they'll hop to for a petty infight.These are probably the /2X/ posters or psychos you're talking about, but I don't know if we should be trying to "support" them. At the end of the day, if someone is psychotic enough to undergo numerous plastic surgeries and hormone "treatments", they were always going to self-harm in some way. We're not responsible for all schizophrenic or bpd women who have nowhere else to go, we should be holding the line for the women who don't deserve to be subjected to their hateful drivel. But maybe I'm pessimistic and annoyed from all the troons invading our threads recently. I just feel we don't owe malicious freaks a place on our site.
>>2515815Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought this thread was meant to be runoff for the off-topic chatting in the related /snow/ threads, and /2X/ was pinkpill/blackpill containment?
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>>2515849one of the grimmest things ive ever read kek
>implying women can only be tiktok fashion bimbos or porn addicted poonerswhat internalized misogyny does to a mf
No. 2515901
>>2515892It's so mild in the grand scheme of TIM posts but it's also so pathetic. It's like the moid's brain yearns for some sliver of having a soul or humanity that he senses the cool beans awesomesauce lame conformist girl has despite just being a very run of the mill average girl, but is too soulless himself to actually envision it beyond some vague superficial description of her clothing. He's not even describing a bimbo, just every middle class suburban girl from 2006. And then he's like 'yeah I don't have a personality though unlike that girl, I'm pretty sure she had a personality, that would be nice,' not realizing that it's the coomerism itself that has taken away his own ability to have an actual personality.
>>2515898What does then? What is dysphoria if what that girl's describing isn't dysphoria?
No. 2515916
>>2515906Could be bait yes, I wasn't sure because it wasn't vitriolic like the previous two bursts of bait/spam. Anyway I agree it is dysphoria posting but I think the original post was not about the occasional post in the vent/confession threads unless I misunderstood? Anyway NTA you were originally responding to but I agree with what you said here
>>2515854 that we probably shouldn't be trying to support these women at least while they're dedicated to actively self-harming. I think it's a constant point of contention in radfem communities how much support/empathy/kindness we actually owe or should extent to TIFs, handmaidens and similar. We get accused of being real, actual TERFs who don't care about all women if we don't help them and sympathize but the problem is that these women usually don't want help or even sympathy from us. I think it's important to try to help young TIFs, like as in children, but with adult women I'm not sure what we can do beyond being there as a soft landing when they finally peak and/or detrans and/or recognize they have a problem and seek help. Yes, radfeminism is for all women but in a more general way, as in the aims of radical feminism should theoretically help all women, but that doesn't mean radfems should open up their communities. I'm speaking as if I'm an actual radfem here, I'm not but I have participated in radfem 'communities' enough to still have an opinion about this lol.
>>2515911That poster calls him(?)self a tgirl so I don't think it's a pooner, unless it's kikomi or a TIF who… feels like a TIM? I'm confused.
>>2515912Yeah not sure why 'antifa' set her off like that kek
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>>2515916>I'm confused.Me too but not when it comes to my feelings for kikomi. Picrel always refreshes the thread when there's too much bait or troons
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>>2512531AYRT, catgirluninterrupted is one of the most annoying posters. he's the tranny that was bitching about people not listening to TIMs. the mods keep silencing him over anything, he got silenced again tonight because he mentioned HRT. I wish they'd just freeze him.
>>2512559 fragileeyes is one of his side accounts, who fucking knows how many he has. They're really clique-y and if you don't sit and circlejerk about how great troons are and how awful and twansphobic the mods are for silencing them, they'll bully you. It took everything in me to not alog on that thread specifically kek but they're insane so they'd probably get me banned on the neopets fansites I'm on.
A couple days ago, TNT ran a LGBTQ+ (their words, not mine) focus group with a NDA. Apparently one user that the regulars seem to dislike was selected for it, and they're mad at her even though afaik the selection was random. Go figure.
They updated the site rules (picrel) to include transphobia. They made it so talking about being gay isn't against the rules anymore, which it hasn't been since 2020 but TNT are retards that put stuff in neopian times editorials over the actual site rules.
>>2512534I play TFM too, the cafe isn't really worth using imo. I'm a regular on it when I'm active playing and it's just the same group of people, they don't talk about troonshit too often in it thankfully. (or if they do, I miss those topics)
sorry for the sperg, all of my friends are gendies so there's nowhere else I can talk about hating this shit. TNT neglects the fuck out of the site so there's not really anything to do besides whale on NC mall gacha or talk on the boards, I'm sick of them shitting it up.
do we have a pet game milk general? most of the people that still play neopets have some serious arrested development, they argue with each other like teenagers. it's embarrassing to watch.
No. 2515976
>>2515815Honestly I wouldn’t mind a more GC leaning dysphoria thread, maybe in /g/, one for women who have been or are dysphoric so they can actually support eachother and filter out the people who don’t want to be saved out. I always see vents in
that thread getting really unhinged reactions. detrans or women who could properly manage their GD could support dysphoric giving advice to women who need it. I guess the detrans thread is in there but I wouldn’t know if they’d want theirs’ to be disrupted as it’s for their issues specifically. It’s just that a lot of regular nonas don’t like hearing about GD, the mindset and worldview dysphorics have is usually have is pretty fucked up. Even the ones who want help. What’s true is that dysphoria and dysphoric thoughts are more than often very touchy to other women. It’s not their fault for not wanting to hear about it in general vent threads, or anywhere at all. I think that’s a decent boundary to set, especially on a female only website.
(No longer talking about lolcow here) And a bit more off topic and generally: I think that GD is real. Trooning out just isn’t and shouldn’t be the end goal for it. It’s usually due to how one sees their own sex/sexual orientation/sexuality etc etc. I know some dysphoric women, gay women specifically who could kind of manage it and were GC and peaked so never trooned out but still considered it to leave a dent in them mentally. I kind of hate how the only two options given to dysphoric women are “Mutilate yourself”(you still won’t be happy and you will end up killing yourself because you were never able to manage your depression) and “Just accept yourself”(sounds good on paper but it’s really just the destination, not the journey). If someone’s hesitant to feed into gender ideology, I wouldn’t be surprised if they avoided bringing it up to their therapists. I mean I’ve seen it before. Wish the medical system handled it better. Some countries are already doing a good job by recognizing the fact that a lot of these people are autistic.
No. 2515995
>>2515976Well if the dysphoria vent posts in the vent threads are usually like that one from today that devolved into 'I'm better than other women' blackpill sperging of course it will be touchy for other women and will bother them. Maybe a containment thread that's more GC leaning and supportive would work but the problem is that it often seems like women who are dysphoric have trouble being supportive or taking advice because, like you said, the mindset you have to be in to be a dysphoric adult is a very messed up mindset that often involves, at its root, seething hatred for all other women. It's kind of ironic that these women usually lead with some declaration that they hate men and male violence and that's what causes their hatred of their own physical form, but end up obsessing over and worshipping men while rejecting and looking down upon other women who actually do accept their bodies, see being a woman as positive, and so on even if those women previously had dysphoria and recovered from having it. It's a tough subject to discuss in a supportive/GC way precisely because it's not really compatible with GC views in most ways, and having a reality-rejecting mindset is similar to being an active addict who isn't ready to give up the drugs. They lash out at anyone who wants to help them or get them into rehab, even people who have previously been addicts themselves, and more often than not see recovered addicts as traitors or mentally weak for stopping. I have less irl personal experience with dysphoric women but I have irl personal experience with drug addicts and the mindsets seem very similar to me, and my experiences with addicts are one of the main reasons I said above that I no longer devote time to helping people who don't want to be helped, they make it their mission in life to drag you down with them when you try. Anachans are another example, they use recovered anorexics as reverse thinspo and hate them even more than actual fat people.
I think gender dysphoria is real as a mental phenomenon/social contagion, but like many such phenomena it's largely socially/culturally bound. I'm sure the people experiencing it really do experience it (although I think most modern troons don't actually experience GD), but it's only as real as the power you give it. This is one of the main reasons why gender affirming care has been such a shitshow, because it actually encourages and gives more power to the idea of dysphoria and exacerbates it rather than fighting it. No one gets less dysphoric from transition long term, transition only makes dysphoria worse. I'm not sure how a therapist would help a dysphoric person by talking to them about it in most cases because it's kind of like feeding the dragon, the few people I knew who had severe dysphoria and desisted basically stopped being dysphoric because they stopped thinking about it, more or less. I think for lesbians it's hard to stop thinking about it because lesbian communities are absolutely chock full of troons and gender discourse, I think this is also why lesbian couples often troon out together because they validate and egg each other on. AGP/TIF couples are a little different, usually it was the moid who trooned out first and he pressures the woman to troon out too because of his seething jealousy of her female body, not because she actually wanted to (they never really relate to each other) but it seems like the opposite with lesbian couples where they often seem to bond over the issue and fall deeper into the dysphoric mindset. With most of these socioculturally driven psychoses the way to get over them is actually just to separate yourself from the social circumstances that brought it about, stop thinking about it and replace the negative thoughts with something else, but the internet and technology is making that difficult for people. The best way for most people to overcome it is to literally touch grass, get away from the internet and go live on a farm or in the forest for a few months or years.
No. 2516015
>>2516005
Female biology doesn't force you to be sexually submissive, and if thinking about sex and reading reddit fiction is making you feel this way the obvious fix is to stop obsessively reading reddit porn. Your brain is clearly broken if you read a story about a subhuman chimp moid who's so pornrotted he needs to re-enact porn and 'make sure boobs are visible' at all times and look up to him, envy him, see him as superior, or want to be him.
Your female biology isn't stopping you from going and planting seeds in a garden, petting a cat, helping an old lady carry her groceries, laying on the grass and letting the sun warm your face, singing, playing the violin, painting a picture, reading an interesting book, trying to make a scientific discovery, refinishing a piece of furniture, climbing a tree, smelling a flower, learning to do a handstand, having a conversation with a friend, cooking yourself a good meal, knitting a scarf, or any of the million other things that make life worthwhile. Just log off, stop obsessing over sex, and treat yourself like an actual human being. Problem solved.
No. 2516043
>>2516029Exactly this. People who constantly expose themselves to shit that makes them feel worse about the world and/or themselves are just engaging in mental self-harm. Same as with people who are suicidally depressed but can't stop watching gore videos and reading fucked up news. That poster is either underage and still learning how to cope with the grim reality of this world, or genuinely autistic/mentally ill and probably has some form of OCD. Because no matter how much you remind her that not all women do that shit and most of us are normal or that she's overly fixated on the bad, she just won't stop obsessing over this one thing like a moron.
>This one bad thing happens and nothing else in life matters so I'm actually not a woman because I don't like it. No, there are no other women on Earth who dislike it, every other woman in the world is exactly the same as these cherrypicked examples, I'm special and unique and the only true man in a woman's body because women are stupid and I'm not. And also since there are women who do this bad thing that means everything related to femaleness is bad and evil, Satan created the female sex. Because if you do one bad thing, that means you're 100% bad and everyone who is remotely like you must be pure evil as well (I'm the only one who isn't btw).Either way, I'm sick as fuck of these TIFs' autistic retardation infesting the site.
No. 2516047
>>2516043I think reading about world events that actually affect you or whatever, even if they make you feel worse about the world, is not necessarily mental self-harm. There are justifiable reasons for exposing yourself to negative/unpleasant things, like staying informed or becoming educated, or trying to gain understanding of a phenomenon, especially if you then use that knowledge to try to improve yourself or the world. This is not that. She's literally exposing herself to some depraved trash on the internet with no educational value, no broader meaning, nothing redeeming about it at all, in order to dig herself deeper into a mental hole, which is a deliberate choice. This is exactly why no one ends up wanting to be 'supportive' of this type of dysphoric women, because they choose to inflict this shit upon themselves and then also upon you, too. None of our lives were enriched in any way by reading that reddit screenshot, it wasn't even entertaining or amusing. It's like hanging out with a person who goes to the store, buys a hammer, and then keeps hitting themselves on the head with it while complaining that it hurts. Then when you tell them 'just stop hitting yourself and put the hammer down,' they try to convince you that you are bad and stupid for not also hitting yourself with a hammer, and that they are in fact superior and enlightened for doing so. Or a kid asking you why 2+2=4 and when you explain it to them, they keep insisting it actually equals 3 instead of listening to the explanation.
No. 2516061
>>2516047The hammer analogy reminded me of the martyr complex troons have. It makes perfect sense that these blackpill fags are troon-adjacent (dysphoric and obsessed with it). They inflict that pain upon themselves, literally memeing and gaslighting themselves into believing whatever twisted version of the world other blackpillfags show them, make it their whole personality, force everyone else to witness their self-inflicted insanity, and call you inferior and retarded for not agreeing with them. Their whole personality is centered around how bad they feel for not being what they want to be and making everyone else miserable because of it. It's like an unholy mix between normal trannies and incel mentality. Actually, it reminds me of those self-described "
femcels" who cry and cry about not being hit on. Their obsession manifests in similar ways, would've probably been averted if they never became addicted to the internet.
No. 2516088
>>2516076He basically perfectly encapsulates what gender studies academia (and tbh a lot of modern humanities academia these days) is all about, and he also explains troonism in such a way that other troons all relate to. Obviously he seems like a schizo to any normal person but the people who engage with this shit and give him acclaim and nominate him for writing awards and whatever are far from normal.
>>2516080Kek I have also observed this. I worked as an RA in several different human research labs over the years and we got a lot of female NB/TIF participants because, well, university students obviously have a lot of troons in their ranks and also troons are often short on cash for tattoos or hair dye or whatever so they'll do some eye tracking or fMRI experiment for 30 bucks because they're often not employed. Whenever an RA would ask how to handle the troons' consent forms everyone, and I mean everyone with any experience was just like 'oh, let them write down the gender they want and just fix it on the form later.' But the funny thing was that every time I had a TIF come in and would give her the form she would ask me what gender and name she should put down for herself. I would always just say something like 'whatever your gender is' or 'whatever you want/whatever you feel is accurate' and pretty much every single one put F and her birth name even though she introduced herself as like 'hunter' or 'ash' or 'leo'. I had one who had written M, scratched it out and written F next to it. Obviously they did this because they understood that the study actually cares about their birth sex and didn't want to impose or mess up the study. To a one they were the most wheedling, female-socialized people I ever had to deal with, no non-troon girl participant acted as female-socialized as these TIFs and enbies. I've observed to friends for decades at this point that TIFs are almost 100% of the time very soft spoken, servile, start all their sentences with 'I feel,' try to take up as little space physically and metaphorically in public as possible, and hyper-agreeable irl even if they chimp out and try to act domineering and badass online. The same girls I knew who were posting kill
terf memes on insta would duck their heads, stammer and act apologetic irl to people who didn't use their preferred pronouns.
I'm not sure why this is but it's also true that TIMs tend to be extremely stereotypically masculine, so it's a pattern that applies to both sexes I think. With the TIFs maybe the overthinking and fixation on what other people expect of them (and all women) affects them so much because they actually think they 'have' to perform society's expectations as a woman while normal women don't really pay as much attention to that and aren't as concerned with what society thinks they 'have to' do as women. Like the TIF sperg above, who didn't seem to understand that just because some women perform degrading sex acts or act submissive sexually doesn't mean she has to. It's like they go to such extremes of female socialization that they think performing female sex stereotypes is mandatory and when they don't want to, they think it's easier to try to literally change their sexed biology than just say 'not for me, thanks.' One of the TIFs I knew personally was literally a vegan normally (with a mild egg allergy at that) who ate eggs at some school event because someone offered it to her and she thought it was too rude to say no kek. They're more comfortable asking everyone to completely change their language to accommodate them than having to actually say no to anyone, and they don't understand why other women won't do this because they can't imagine turning down a request themselves.
No. 2516095
>>2516080>Completely unrelated to the discussion but it's fascinating how women who have the most female thought patterns and behavior believe themselves to be excessively masculine while women who actually do exhibit masculine personality traits rarely do so.NTA but It's fascinating to me as well. I see posts that TIFs make over and over meanwhile even the mentally ill anons on lolcow just do things. They're nasty, are rude, shamelessly horny, hate authority, so on and so forth with just about every single behavior that is just unladylike. If a woman just wants to wear pants and short hair she will, while a TIF will jump through hoops to justify herself wearing pants and having short hair. For a secretly concretely movement, they sure don't make their love of 1950s gender roles a secret. Although, I think women are more so "blackpilled" than men joining an easy protected class with little to no social repercussions for being a porn addict except from other men.
>>2516088>TIF comes to lolcow and subtly tries to debate anons or spergs out and continues being a 5 foot nothing girl>TIM spams gore and cp in threads he doesn't like and continues jerking off about how womanly he isYour post is considerably more well worded than what I can write at the moment, but I fully agree.
>It's like they go to such extremes of female socialization that they think performing female sex stereotypes is mandatory and when they don't want to, they think it's easier to try to literally change their sexed biology than just say 'not for me, thanks.'>change their language to accommodate them than having to actually say no to anyone, and they don't understand why other women won't do this because they can't imagine turning down a request themselves.>I've observed to friends for decades at this point that TIFs are almost 100% of the time very soft spoken, servile, start all their sentences with 'I feel,' try to take up as little space physically and metaphorically in public as possible>I had one who had written M, scratched it out and written F next to it. Obviously they did this because they understood that the study actually cares about their birth sex and didn't want to impose or mess up the study. To a one they were the most wheedling, female-socialized people I ever had to deal with, no non-troon girl participant acted as female-socialized as these TIFs and enbies. No. 2516101
>>2516094Yeah it's this too, I think a lot of them have low empathy for other women and struggle with theory of mind (common among mentally ill people) so they actually think they are among the only women with actual personalities.
>>2516085Sorry I'm not that familiar with Jung, but what does this mean? How can a female be male in a biological fundamentalist sense?
>>2516093Yes you can cope with dysphoria without transitioning, people do it all the time. You just get over it. Transitioning doesn't even help troons cope with dysphoria, it makes them act more unhinged and it makes their dysphoria worse. Just observe how totally devastated and alien in their bodies TIFs become once they start experiencing mpb and central obesity 2 years into transition.
>You dont have dysphoria, you dont get to decide whats right and not to do about it. Typically sane people do get to decide what's right to do in response to mentally ill people. We don't let inmates run the asylum, or at least we didn't until recently.
>My dysphoria isnt irrationalFreaking out and obsessing over physical reality is one of the most irrational responses possible. It is the total opposite of rational. The only way in which you resemble a moid is internalizing the worst of coomer moid propaganda so much that you describe a vagina, a dynamic and multifunctional organ, as 'a wet hole made to be pounded' and think it's appropriate to call women breeders.
>Depression doesnt kill people other people does.No actually, the murder rate for troons is lower than the general population.
>At least Ill die in the body Im comfortable not as a whoreYou won't, though. You will always have a female body until the moment you die. Instead of cutting out your important internal organs and sewing up your vagina you could just be celibate if you hate the idea of sex so much, it shouldn't be hard.
No. 2516102
>>2514769it really ties into the whole thing of troons being absolutely fucking clueless of the amount of effort that women are expected to put into their looks. oftentimes it feels like they'll just skip the things that they can't coom to, only focusing on being as efficient as possible at reaching a "sexy" male gaze idea of themselves.
the few fashion troons I know of are really quite fascinating in a way, because a while after trooning out, all of them have gone back to dressing pretty much how they used to before, in androgynous and baggy men's high fashion stuff. Especially with how the thread has been recently I really don't wanna do a "some troons are good actually" thing, but one has to wonder what makes these ones so distinct. It might just be an AGP vs HSTS thing, tbh.
No. 2516107
>>2516099Well you can't have male biology, you can't be male sexed so what gives? You think larping as Ayden the 'little guy' and having no penis will magically make you be in the 'male position' in sex with a bepenised moid? Using gay male sex terms to describe 'natural female biology' kek. Why do you keep talking about biology when you can't change your biological sex, are you waiting for god's miracle? You people really act like cult believers.
>>2516102Do HSTS moids ever dress in baggy high fashion androgynous stuff? I see actual gay and straight normal moids doing that but whenever I see an HSTS he's gone full bimbo or is trying to do some normal feminine girl next door thing with leggings and a tight t-shirt with a push up bra.
No. 2516124
>>2516111A man's soul as relates to
>order, reason, consciousand a woman's soul as relates to
>chaos, destruction and unconsciousis just 'masculine and feminine as ideas,' it's literally just archaic sex stereotypes, and ironically it's a reversal of what's actually common about men and women. Women are in fact on average more orderly and reasoned and self-aware while men are on average chaotic, destructive and lacking in self-awareness. That's just describing the same stereotypical girl brain man brain shit from the 1960s though.
>she sees biology as destiny So how can she say she's a man in any way? Her biological destiny is to be a woman, it's inescapable.
Also you know this same sperg who comes into the thread to call other women inferior mongoloids, cocksuckers and whores and try to larp as a gay moid talking about bottoming and porn stereotypes is the type of woman who says 'oh sorry… so sorry' when someone bumps into her aggressively in public and is too scared to tell the waiter they brought her the wrong order. If she even goes outside at all.
The funny thing is that irl gendies have always been telling me they know I'm 'actually trans' or call me an egg because I'm 'so extremely masculine on the inside' and keep telling me I will be more comfortable if I change my feminine presentation/body/fashion style to 'match my insides' kek but I've never doubted I'm a woman or felt insecure about being female. The people who actually get perceived as male-like or male-souled by gendies themselves irl are the opposite of the type of women who troon out. TIFs can obviously identify stereotypically masculine personality traits in other women but they don't have the self awareness to notice they don't share any of those traits themselves. It's a pathological lack of self awareness.
>>2516119Yeah the troon is larping as a gay incel moid, what's new? That's what gender people do, they larp.
No. 2516140
>>2516124Yes, it is in many ways, I’m not calling it Jungian to legitimize it, just my interpretation of it. Yes, the archetypes are sexist and shallow. Also, his philosophy was very much into dreams and the unconscious so it was more like women represent the primordial, women are ‘disorder’ as in unpredictable, not literally being clean lol. He also said each person carries within them an aspect of the opposite sex, so he was actually kind of progressive in a weird way. The animus is still a relevant concept today. To your other point, she’s not a gendie, she just dresses in baggy clothes, and does self defense. She sees biology as destiny and that’s why she’s in so much distress, at odds with herself, and feels unable to live as a female but at the same time can’t escape it because you can’t change it. So a constant state of strife. I can’t really take all her cocksuckrr monogoloid slurring personally because she’s actually just fighting demons in her head. Plus a lot of women are disgusting to each other and encourage each other to suck dick.
No. 2516143
>>2516127In older western thought traditions (like pre-victorian times) they often held a largely opposite belief, that moids are the ones with 'sensibility' rather than sense and are more open to their emotions and spirituality while women are sensible, rational and pragmatic. I don't know the exact reasons why these stereotypes (largely) flipped, but I think it most likely had to do with some form of scientific/technological revolution and the fact that moids started thinking it was important to be the logical and scientific ones. Maybe something to do with neo-classicism/the grecoroman revival. I know in Eastern Daoist (and then Confucian) traditions the stereotypes always largely tracked with modern sex stererotypes (although not entirely) but they also were more technologically advanced and had different cultural norms. Moids also spent all of history believing they were the life-givers and that babies were entirely made up of the male seed before this was basically disproven by advances in genetics kek, so even the stereotypical idea of motherhood used to be quite different as a woman was seen as less 'related' to the child than the father and therefore less invested in the child. Women in many traditional societies were often separated from their children or expected to treat children from other wives/concubines similarly to their own, so 1960s trad shit about women having to stay home with and care for their own children and be 'nurturing' is also not as trad as people think it is, depending what time period and culture you consider traditional. But anyway to your point at many periods in history moids were fully aware that they are emotional and that shit like anger, jealousy, and other moid emotions are in fact emotions.
>>2516129His description of the girl wasn't a porn category though, it was an MPDG media trope and/or just a very on the nose physical description of the typical mid/young millennial woman when she was in high school in 2005. I think he's lamenting that he himself can only get his personality from porn but that the girl he wants to skinwalk from his youth or the not-so-recent past was more pure and ensouled than him. Lots of men have these fantasies about their first love or whatever, they think that normie girl was the purest and most wholesome happy person and they know they can never achieve that because they're soulless coomers so they just seethe and try to do HRT in order to get some semblance of feeling or inner life (they don't realize estrogen isn't what gives you an inner life kek).
No. 2516152
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IDK what's with the influx of gendies and troons and fighting in this thread but can I take a moment to vent about something ultimately dumb and not really that big a deal that is forcing it's way into my radar and irking me.
I saw this game being shilled on actuallesbians and I had to eyeroll.
https://www.reddit.com/r/actuallesbians/comments/1kga7ih/comment/mqx3qmd/It's about a trans lesbian vampire and if you look at the trailer, those hands are clearly female. I mean, hell, understanding anatomy is apart of my job and even if it weren't, even a normie can see that those modelled hands? Aren't male. And the sounds the main character are an actual woman.
So what is the point of making this character a troon if they're ignoring the actual physical things that make them a troon? Because you don't just somehow magically stop being male bodied and if the whole point is being a troon, then why doesn't the character actually convey that? I don't get it. And there's nothing story brave about a man who decides he's a woman and falling for a woman. That's just being straight and that story has been told a BAZILLION TIMES OVER. Why couldn't she just be an actual woman who likes woman? That is unique. And different. And would be nice to explore. A man with a dick is not a lesbian. I don't know how many times we have to scream it.
Admittedly, I'm being petty because I'm annoyed. But I am so tired of troon shit in my space and in things I like.
No. 2516158
>>2516140I'm just not seeing the difference between your description of Jungian sex stereotypes and the normal run-of-the-mill sex stereotypes. They seem like the same stereotypes to me, maybe other than the 'chaos agent' shit which a lot of modern men do believe but I think fewer women identify with this stereotype.
>To your other point, she’s not a gendieShe believes she is the opposite sex (or gender, or male-brained, whatever you want to call it) so she's pretty much the definition of a gendie. Of course deep down she knows she can't be the opposite sex, everyone knows that deep down, but espousing/entertaining these views is what makes you a gender ideologue.
>>2516142>I have pcos and not female phenotype>not a gendiePCOS is a female disease, men can't have PCOS. Every cell in your body is female.
No. 2516169
>>2516088>I had one who had written M, scratched it out and written F next to it.This is both so funny and so tragic, an anecdote very poignant in all its simplicity really. I truly do sympathize with these women and their struggles because we all handle the trauma of growing up female in various destructive ways but the fact that they feel that calling themselves male will exempt them from misogyny is a pipe dream, they will still remain hated and resented for exhibiting these traits associated with women. Wimpy, apologetic, balding short men with a prepubescent voice are still shunned and ridiculed because they're seen as effeminate, not traditionally masculine enough. This is what made me peak years ago, realizing that I can have all the surgery and synthetic testosterone I would ever be able to get but the world will still hate me for being female.
>>2516095>TIF comes to lolcow and subtly tries to debate anons or spergs out and continues being a 5 foot nothing girl>TIM spams gore and cp in threads he doesn't like and continues jerking off about how womanly he isExactly. Changing the marking on your passport will not erase the behavior that's been programmed into you since birth, nor will it change the world around you to accommodate your identity.
No. 2516174
>>2516147Yes it is. People heal from mental illnesses all the time, that doesn't mean they weren't mentally ill.
>>2516152TIMs are delusional and don't see themselves clearly, they think their hands look female and their voices sound female kek that's why they frequently have art representing them be modelled on females. I'm guessing the game is about trans lesbian vampires because it's some metaphor for how they were super oppressed and could only exist in the darkness and the seedy corners of the world because of societal oppression in victorian times or whatever forcing all the real and honest troons to hide their truth. They always claim the influx of troons in the last couple decades is just because 'people feel more comfortable coming out now' after all.
>>2516156She's not male brained. A female has a female brain. A female brain is a brain that belongs to a female. This thread is a perfect demonstration of why no one wants to talk to, give advice to, or give support to dysphoric/genderist women in women's spaces, because they just promote dumbass 'woman brain is when subservient bimbo, man brain is when rational and interesting and dominant' stereotypes and act like handmaidens of the patriarchy.
>>2516162KEk this has to be a joke right? Great trolling.
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>>2516155Right? And of course, the 'woman' lead of this game.
No. 2516178
>>2516168The farmhands just keep being really late to the party, which is why the troon males shitting up the thread earlier today kept posting for hours despite most anons reporting and ignoring them, and I think people are humoring the TIF in this thread because she appeared right after a conversation about whether we can support/help/give advice to dysphoric women in GC spaces. It looks like this proves we can't and shouldn't, because it inevitably devolves into misogynist blackpill sperging and transplaining when they don't get the response they want. Which just proves the anons who started the conversation were correct.
>the whole online gendercrit movement seems to be really bad at dealing with internal dissent. Feminist movements have always been really bad at dealing with internal dissent, even pre-internet. It's just a mainstay of feminist activism at this point and is probably due to female socialization. In one of the first iterations of this thread (I think it was this thread, anyway) someone posted an article from 1965 by a feminist describing why the radfem groups of her day fell apart and it was the exact same shit we see happening today. But somehow women's rights activists still have made progress over time, and the GC position is really the most rational position so it gets a lot of buy-in from normies too. They might still believe in the importance of sex stereotypes more than GC feminists but I think that has been weakened over time and now even many non-GC people don't believe in sex stereotypes nearly as strongly as they used to.
No. 2516183
>>2516179The SCP community got ruined with this shit too. Some gendie retard made a fucking
TIF Aphrodite SCP and it's about as fucking cringe as you can imagine. Had it not included troonshit, it likely wouldn't have even been published fo the site, and if it did, it would've been downvoted until it got deleted.
It happens in literature all the time. Mediocre to outright shit writing that just so happens to feature troons gets rewarded.
No. 2516184
>>2516088>It's like they go to such extremes of female socialization that they think performing female sex stereotypes is mandatory and when they don't want to, they think it's easier to try to literally change their sexed biology than just say 'not for me, thanks.'A girl that I know recently came out as a trans man. She's the most agreeable, sensitive, socially self aware "nice" girl ever who doesn't know how to set boundaries and this was my immediate realization. They feel it's too hard to learn how to stand up for themselves and take space that they go to these extreme lengths of literally trying to bend the reality around their heads in an attempt rather than putting a firm foot down. They desperately believe that once they're seen as a man, they can finally do these things only allowed for the male sex instead of just doing it unabashedly, and it's tragic. Unlearning female socialization is hard and especially if you're surrounded by men and similarly trans-identifying mentally ill women your task is disastrously compromised, particularly when you're reaching your late 20's and early to mid 30's when most "sane" and stable women around you are too busy with their careers, relationships, new hobbies, families and other ambitions and leave you behind, making you feel entirely disconnected of your peers of the same sex.
No. 2516185
>>2516169>Wimpy, apologetic, balding short men with a prepubescent voice are still shunned and ridiculed because they're seen as effeminateAnd if they're willing to put so much effort and money and mental energy into cutting up their bodies and injecting hormones and voice training and buying new clothes in order to be more respected in society, they may as well skip all that shit and invest their time, money and energy into trying to overcome their female socialization instead of just putting on a costume. They would probably have a lot more luck accepting themselves and feeling respected in society if they worked on acting more assertive, joined a debate team or something to learn how to speak in a loud clear voice and command attention, took up a sport to feel physically stronger and more in control of their bodies, learned a skill that would lead to a respected or in-demand career, and developed an actual unique and individual style rather than a cut-and-paste aesthetic copied from other mentally ill, timid tumblr girls. Of course that won't guarantee total moid respect but, like you pointed out, neither will trying to pass as a meek, squeaky-voiced manlet who constantly acts apologetic about existing. In fact of the two, many men are more likely to respect an assertive and individualistic woman than someone they think is a timid and pathetic tiny man. They waste their time on entirely the wrong pursuits if what they want is respect, freedom and confidence.
No. 2516190
>>2516183Lol my best friend is really into the 'reading community' and follows all this booktok drama so I hear about it from her, and it always shocks me how seemingly 99% of all beach reading type books now are about troons or LGBTQIAPPP+ of some kind. I never read that type of books but I thought the whole point was for them to be easy-to-read, approachable books for women to live out their romantic fantasies. Women can't all be fantasizing about dating/being some kind of troon or polycuck, can they?
>>2516184I have no idea where it's from so I can't post it but does anyone remember that video of the 30-something year old, well-passing TIF that got posted here or in the /snow/ thread before where the TIF is crying that being a man and being accepted into male spaces is hard because it's so, so lonely and men are so, so awful amongst themselves and she can't handle it? The women who transition in their late 20s/30s really will most likely be filled with regret when they realize what they left behind once they stop fitting in with their female friends and alienate their families. I really hope your friend snaps out of it.
>Unlearning female socialization is hard and especially if you're surrounded by menThis is such a good point I never thought about before. They're trying to speedrun deprogramming themselves from female socialization and meekness (when they can't even assert themselves around women) by putting themselves in a room full of actual moids and thinking they'll somehow get better at standing up for themselves with moids surrounding them, feeling like an imposter. They'd have a better chance learning to assert themselves almost any other way.
No. 2516216
>>2516188I have a stupid pet theory that for the TIMs, it's probably that way because of autistic sensory-seeking. I wonder if there's some genuine link between trooning out and enjoying harsh sensory experiences, since aside from liking noisy music, I've also seen a lot of troons be into spicy food, guns, psychedelics, etc. A lot of stereotypically troony vidya is also really really fast/intense, stuff like Cruelty Squad, Ultrakill, and Celeste comes to mind.
>>2516209From what I've seen of the men in my very mixed sex friend groups, they tend to become """"best friends"""" with one another very quickly, but then those friendships actually barely amount to anything except sending one another memes and playing vidya together occasionally. It's not surprising that someone who's female socialized would feel lonely in male friendships, male friendships seem to barely be friendships at all by female metrics.
Also thinking about this, it might explain why moids and especially troons are so quick to assume women are romantically interested in them just from them showing basic friendly courtesy No. 2516224
>>2516209I think she was implying that when moids actually started believing she was male and letting her into their friend groups, she was horrified because the stuff they said 'among men' was really awful, shallow, misogynistic etc. although she may not have said that directly, and also I think she said that they are not warm like women are or don't give real genuine attention/affection the way women do. I think men do become friends quickly over nothing but I also think men tend to form shallow and superficial friendships most of the time. I have asked my bf about this in the past since he works in a male-dominated field with a lot of different cliques and he basically confirmed it, he said he's had some friendships with men that are really warm and supportive (more so in childhood and less so in adulthood) but that most of the time they are more surface level and that if men want emotional support or deep conversations or serious advice, they will usually go to women for it. I think even if moids weren't saying openly misogynistic shit amongst themselves (which many of them do I'm sure) that would still be very depressing for most women who are used to female friend groups or even mixed-sex groups. I did a few multi-day overnight trips with an all-male band and acted like a fly on the wall/pretended to nap while they got drunk together and my impression was that they actually said less depraved/offensive shit than I expected while they thought I wasn't listening, but they also didn't really have as naturally flowing conversations as women do. Lots of quick remarks about things going on in their lives then quickly changing the topic, showing each other memes, remarking on the food, here's what my grand plans are for the band's next album you guys are gonna love this, etc. Then the individual moids would come find me and spill all their feelings at me kek, start asking me for advice about their girlfriends and health problems and whatever. Men will characterize their friendships as so deep and good because they claim they 'just understand each other without saying a word' but I think it's just a cope for the fact they don't really know what to talk about with each other, so the TIF was probably deeply disappointed after hearing all about how much better moids are and how they're never catty and they have such bonds of deep trust or whatever to realize it's just frivolous meme-sharing and 'did you catch the game last night' shit half the time. They also are way more likely to try to seduce each other's girlfriends than women are, so they are probably guarded against each other when it comes to relationship drama for that reason.
>she needed to troon out before she felt rejected by other women. Well she passed surprisingly well, I think most TIFs don't pass but at first glance I really would have thought she was a man, and she came across very normie and outgoing/not autistic, so I'm not surprised women treated her with suspicion. I think that was the other thing she said, that it was heartbreaking to see how closed off and cold women were once she started passing to them.
No. 2516235
>>2516182If we go by Interview with a Vampire and VtM lore, they stay the way they look at Embrace/Change supernaturally so if you're a troon, you'd always be trapped in the male body you have since the dick chop is a newer invention of a sick modern mind. And after Embrace cutting your dick off just with a knife would mean it would grow back. That said, they seem to be using Dracula rules because these ones daywalk but have to stay out of direct sunlight. That's a little different to the modern interpretation where vampires are compelled to sleep during the day.
So they don't need hormones I suppose but also to that end, the setting is also medevial / low fantasy esque so like the concept of HRT would be really dumb and out of place but knowing how troons think, they probably added some HRT blood mechanic where drinking women's blood makes them more feminine. Instead of ghoulish and predatory.
No. 2516259
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i know we all have a laugh about how much arrested development tifs have, but it genuinely depresses me sometimes.
sage for semi-blogposting but i'm crypto and because of fandom i'm surrounded by tifs who clearly have no idea what the concept of having a style or personality or hobby is. so many of them go full gendie just because they're so invested in a (male) celebrity or fictional character that they want to skinwalk them. yeah there's an element of gender ideology at play here but it's sad that young girls barely have any non-pornified female role models or characters to admire. no wonder they choose to opt out of being a woman.
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Biting my retarded Australian tongue for once because last posts are a non-Australian moot who will cook me as le evil terf if I say anything but like. No?? I don't think it's "sexual freedom" or empowering to display sexual content on a public street. How is exposing unconsenting people and children to porn a good thing or being against that "homophobic"??? Not to mention she's submissively tied up, nothing about this is giving "power".
"focus on the scrotes" I mean yeah, sure, men are the true problem, but handing them the porn they love is the solution how exactly? The last thing I want is to be walking down the street and deal with horny men jerking off and hollering to a mural, ffs
And of course this shit happened in Melbourne. That place is utterly deranged and I felt completely out of place as a Canberra/Sydney/Brisbane dweller. They're completely mental down there. Also the city where they just vandalized the "she matters" display, but the TRAs are weirdly quiet about that one.
I fear for the future of Australia if we keep importing American garbage ideologies so hard.
No. 2516332
>>2516265And when you confront their whining with the explanation that they opted out of female-only events such as bachelorette parties when they started identifying as a man - you can't have your cake and eat it too, after all - they start whining about how you are being sexist and having a conservative mindset, as if they aren't the ones that decided they now are a moid now because they prefer pants over skirts.
But of course, everyone always bends their knee to their sperging because their retarded arguments either works on some poor sucker in the group or everyone agrees it's not worth the fighting.
No. 2516341
>>2516338It’s always
>you are jealous we are having sex>you are jealous all the men don’t want to have sex with you ugly prude>your man craves girl cock!!Like ok? Scrotes fuck walls, goats, even babies, it takes me 5 seconds to go out and find a man willing to open his legs. It’s not that important.
No. 2516349
>>2516332Funny how TIFs always kick and scream to be "let back in" once they realise their idea of malehood is
very different to reality, but they still won't take the hint and will just pine pathetically for the chance to be accepted by men.
No. 2516350
>>2516341Plus, they do realize how utterly ridiculous it is to accuse us of being jealous of men who literally spend their entire lifesavings to get surgeries
to try to look like *us** ? Kek, it's like claiming a normal person envies a cripple and their wheels.
No. 2516398
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>All these shitty stories about trans women being innocent beans
>get this video being RT.
But they just want to pee.gif
No. 2516450
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>>2516427>It's scary how much it passes at firstIs this not just a regular female OF thot with a tiny dildo shoved in her leggings? We've seen them do this before, they're just capitalizing on how faggy pornsick men have gotten by doing softcore content in which they don't actually need to be nude. Kinda based since it makes troons seethe to the max and reminds them they'll never look like this.
No. 2516476
>>2516450Kekk this has opened my third eye. Honestly based of them
>>2516457Right lmao they're so close to getting it
No. 2516526
>>2516311I don't know why this is perceived as any different in substance than a giant swastika over a photo of an SS officer pointing a gun at a camp
victim or something, it represents the same level of gleeful, unabashed hatred. I'm all for freedom of speech but aren't there like, public obscenity laws for shit like this? Exposing degrading, (implied) violent fetish porn to unsuspecting people, including minors? Degrading a whole class of people? This is why I don't give a shit about TIFs anymore, oh, you want to try to act like a subhuman moid? Stop expecting sympathy or understanding.
>>2516318What does being anti sex have to do with being anti porn and anti BDSM/degrading women?
>>2516265That is the worst kind of TIF but also in my experience it's the only kind of TIF. At least they finally get to learn the positive aspects of being a woman, even if they have to annoy the hell out of everyone around them first.
>>2516349And they usually will be let back in because women are kind and most women feel solidarity with other women, even evil hateful traitorous women like those TIFs. No matter how awful a woman is to most other women, most other women will try to understand where it's coming from and not hate her and be kind and feel obligated to accept her and welcome her in female spaces because even if she's deluded enough to think she's not a female, we aren't. They try to gotcha us with these women 'omg do you want this big scaaary bearded female 'man' in your toilets? If not let Lilith the hon in!' and then they always come running to women's spaces anyway when they're sent to prison or have to change for the swimming pool or whatever because they're as scared of moids as the rest of us and we have to deal with the big scaary bearded women in our spaces regardless.
No. 2516767
>>2516711The whole 'sex-posi' vs 'sex-negative' psyop libfems pulled was such a mistake. It causes so many young girls especially to join the queerio brigade because they're told they're sex-negative prudes if they don't want to be tied up and electrocuted in a dungeon by some 50yo obese polyamorous man so they decide they're 'asexual' or 'demisexual' or 'not a woman' instead and get pulled into caping for troons and fetishists anyway when they go represent ace pride at the local pride parade. BDSM and kink communities are full of predator men grooming young women with sexual trauma histories and pickmes who got convinced they are more enlightened and empowered if they let themselves get choked and whipped in front of an audience of greasy fat men at a sex club. Of course BDSM is for people who don't actually like sex, and how could you like sex if you think that's what sex is supposed to be? The troon shitting up the thread earlier was a perfect example of a woman who reads too much libfem 'sexual empowerment' drivel from coomer males and pathetic porncucked women and then internalizes the idea that is her natural biologically ordained sex role so she decides to pretend she's male and cape for the same misogynist moids who caused her trauma in the first place.
>>2516567Most of liberal feminism is just a result of male infiltration and manifestation. Women were getting too uppity with our 'I'm smart enough to have a good career, female bimbo-brain doesn't exist and I don't need to wear 10 pounds of makeup and a garter belt to go get my groceries' nonsense so they decided to weaponize female empathy to snake their way into feminist activism ('it'll be more effective if men are on board! let us help!') and brainwash young women into thinking female sexual subservience is natural and empowering. The same moids have seething womb envy and shit themselves at the prospect of women being allowed into higher ed because we do better in schooling and the work force but they've managed to convince women we're naturally inferior even though they don't believe it themselves.
No. 2516781
>>2516765I don't think they come in with a strategy or think about it very hard. They're mentally and emotionally stunted internet addicts who know they're only going to get actual sympathy and support in female internet spaces so they come here to leech emotional energy from women but then get
triggered when the criticisms of their lifestyles/mindsets hit too close to home and chimp out. They aren't actually trying to convince anyone else, they're trying to convince themselves. I don't think any troon actually believes they are the opposite sex, they're all just living with severe cognitive dissonance, and maintaining that cognitive dissonance requires the repetition of cult-like mantras and the dehumanization of their perceived enemies. There's no logic because it's an anti-logic worldview. The pomo academics who invented gender theory openly admit they don't believe in logic or objective truth and the purpose of their arguments is to exert power over others, not convince them. It is funny though when it's a TIF who thinks she's 'male brained' and thinks 'male brained' means logical and rational, but her entire MO is just based on unrestrained knee-jerk emotionality.
No. 2516812
>>2516802Yeah she used yonic imagery in most of the video and she 'didn't have enough trans women' in the video or some shit (even though I think there were at least 2 but they were in the background mainly), but there were also a couple moments with phallic imagery too (the dripping popsicle) that troons were also offended by for some reason. You can't win with them by arguing whether the imagery in the video is transphobic or not so it's easier to say 'actually I'm not a woman!' Even Tswift did some shit where she teased she would be 'coming out as bisexual' in that GLAAD video she made, she ended up not coming out but it pleased her gendie fans enough that she teased the conspiracy theory so she gets away with being an unabashed normie straight woman. IIRC Lorde was also getting shit for that solar ritual MV with all the female dancers because it seemed like some crunchy granola divine feminine shit to some gendies so she can now conveniently deflect criticism by rolling up to the red carpet half naked and saying it's genderless.
>>2516804She is wearing heavy makeup it's just neutral colored. I would call this over the top feminine, moids don't usually get half naked on the red carpet.
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Mentally ill man terrorizes wife, tries to transition into a woman. And the sky is blue, more news at 11
No. 2516963
>>2516948I think it's actually cool and good that she's gotten famous for her music being good even though she's not extremely conventionally attractive. I just don't understand why, despite that, she has to egregiously self-sexualize and then link it to genderfeels.
>>2516936This is an absolutely horrifying story, what the fuck. This poor woman. Troons constantly proving they are, without exception, the worst type of man alive.
No. 2516979
>>2516971It's not like schools do a great job of dealing with and educating speds, a lot of teachers of sped students get sick of their behavioral issues and abuse them. I feel bad for the one normal kid that has to stay at home with the autists though. This woman seems like she was trying to do her best and her retard narc husband is sabotaging her and the kids. She said she's looking for a job now so maybe she'll send them to school if she does, but the
abusive moid seems to be the bigger problem.
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9/10 people in every artsy nerd circle are gendies who try to convince you that you're one too. They'll lovebomb you if you join them and call you a normie bigot if you don't, which is an extremely effective tactic against the sensitive anxious types that are drawn to these groups. This is fine and not creepy cult recruitment because it's offset by people outside the cult who might tell you not to join a cult before you cut them off at the demands of the cult.
No. 2517004
>>2516999Nta but holy shit the tards who whine and complain about how they're utterly doomed because females are naturally weaker than males makes me want to a-log kek. Like who fucking cares, only ape-brain faggot tards genuinely think stronger = automatically the bestest ever. Point out some positive female statistics and they start sperging like they're a schizo on suicide watch. They
need to be banned, like, yesterday.
No. 2517006
>>2516983Kek I thought you meant this thread for a second. I think one of the problems is that a lot of popular thread topics on lolcow encourage dysphoria posting of one kind or another because they attract the types of women who tend to be dysphoric gendies and if there aren't dedicated threads to talk about it, it just ends up overflowing onto the rest of the site. But when they have dedicated threads it overflows anyway so idk what the solution is. Obviously the unhinged posting doesn't stop just because of thread rules so 'making a GC dysphoria support thread with ground rules' probably won't work either.
>>2516989She has them doing fuck nothing for months now because of the
abusive scrote and the fact she's having to scramble to find a job when she was previously a SAHM. They probably decided to homeschool when the situation was different and it seems like the moid is the problem. She could be some hippie indigo children type lady for all I know but it seems like she's willing to put them in school if she's actively looking for a job. Staying at home with kids isn't necessarily 'trad' and it sounds like she and her husband are both libshits. I wish people would stop calling every stay at home mom a tradwife, it's just as likely this woman sounds insane because she's at the end of her rope from moid abuse. She also grew up in foster care so idk where you're getting the idea she's an upper class white. The fact everyone rushes to blame abused women for their abuse is part of the problem with our society.
No. 2517009
>>2516960Agree with everything but the last part, professionals just tell them to troon out especially if they live in a liberal country. Dysphorics are in a unique position compared to every other mentally ill person because of how politicized it is. If they talk to someone too conservative they’ll just be told they’ll be happy if they’re trad, if they talk to someone too liberal they’ll be told to chop their tits off. it’s way worse if they’re homosexual too, especially the conservative rhetoric that’ll just make them even more dysphoric. When they talk to other dysphorics, they just get enabled. There’s absolutely nowhere for them to go. No one really talks about this but true dysphoria is purely column A, they can’t control the cards they’ve been given. It’s why dysphoric women are usually minorities, lesbian, autistic, ethnic or racial minorities, etc etc. The end goal for treatment should be self acceptance, which is what radical feminists try to tell these women to do, but they aren’t actually ever given any steps to do so. It’s kind of why some women become even more dysphoric after peaking. They can’t figure out
how to actually accept themselves even though they know they have to. I don’t think we have to host some therapy for them every day on this site but we shouldn’t ignore why they are the way they are. It’s very GC and based to realize that the medical system has found a way to leech money off of dysphoric women
Not every TIF is dysphoric too, a lot of TIFdom is social contagion however dysphoria usually isn’t. I’d argue most TIFs aren’t dysphoric (the worst part about that being that detrans resources/communities are targeted towards them). I’d also argue that dysphoria isn’t a social contagion because it’s usually the reaction already mentally ill women have to learning about sexual dynamics, misogyny, and any other kind of terrible thing that happens to women. Feeling like their body is. prison because they feel like women are biologically determined to breed and marry males (big reason as to why so many Lesbians specifically are dysphoric). It’s not sexual trauma too, as I said, most of these women are already mentally ill or are minorities. I don’t understand the idea that dysphoria, a mental illness caused by uncontrollable traits, is somehow a social contagion like every other kind of trannyism is. I think the medical system trooning out girls who wanna follow a trend is more talked about it than the medical system trooning out girls at their absolute worst in feminist communities, both are real but we talk about the former so much that we forget the latter exists.
Dysphoria is more like OCD than body dysmorphia or anorexia because dysphoria is very compulsive. I assume compare dysphoria to body dysmorphia because of how trannies analyze themselves but every tranny is different and if you’re only looking at trannies in general (who have many different reasons for trooning out) instead of dysphorics and troon dysphorics you’re not gonna get your “why”. I like how some countries are screening trannies or people diagnosed with GD for things like autism or asking them if they’re homosexual and such. I hope these people are actually able to get helpful treatment instead of being told to blow their money on surgeries that quite literally deform them. Dysphorics still kill themselves no matter what. If they get “treatment” (getting deformed) they kill themselves, if they don’t get “treatment” they kill themselves. It’s fucked up. Nobody here owes them space and you especially don’t hav to bend over backwards for them if they’re saying retarded shit but I do wish the GC opinion on this would change to something more accurate. People only acknowledge the trannies (female, the males are just evil) who troon out for the trend or because they get attention or look like a yaoi boy. There’s some serious mental illness behind some of these cases that aren’t being acknowledged by medical professionals
No. 2517012
>>2517006The fact that she actively played a role in keeping her kids out of school even before the husband troon'd means that she also abused them. And what, you want me to only shit on the scrote when I'm seeing right there that she's also being
abusive? All the posts above already did that I wouldn't be adding anything new. I'm just pointing out that she's also a POS. And yes you can be getting abused but also be a retarded POS yourself. No it doesn't excuse the tranny scrote abuse but I'm just pointing out that SHE is ALSO an abuser to the kids. Coddling retarded
abusive women just because they are also getting abused by a scrote themselves is not helpful. People like her fucking live off other people pitying them, which is why the poor kids are "autistic", she "grew up in housing and has social worker trauma", and her husband has "mental health issues". Wouldn't surprise me if she's also a narc.
No. 2517019
>>2516990Yes, this has been my experience. I had to cut myself out of an entire large friend group/arts community after college because they would not stop incessantly pressuring me to be trans, despite the fact I never had any gender dysphoria and made it very explicit over and over again for years that I found what they were doing offensive. I got accused of internalized transphobia and self hate and bigotry toward others if I said I was happy the way I was and it culminated in some genderfluid moid cornering me in private late at night and quizzing me about why I insist I'm female until I started crying from anger/frustration. Then he said the fact I was crying and angry was proof he had 'cracked the shell' of my feelings and walked away feeling self-satisfied. Like 70% of the people in that entire extended social group ended up trooning out even though most of them were normal and happy with themselves before. These retards gaslight everyone so hard and accuse other people of the same tactics they themselves use and then have the audacity to ask why there are barriers to taking chemotherapy drugs and cutting off healthy organs. I was very lucky that I was not a sensitive and anxious type and could stand up for myself because I saw that friend group mentally destroy dozens of previously healthy, happy young women (and some men but mostly the women were the targets of the worst cult tactics and ended up harming themselves the most). As soon as I 'left the cult' so to speak by moving to a different neighbourhood to be closer to my real friends and job they started treating me like I was a stranger and shit talking me behind my back lmao. It's like a literal cult but without a centralized leadership. The saddest part is that most of these people were pretty normal when I first met them, but multiple years of college and a few dedicated TRAs in the group managed to cause basically a huge ROGD event in a group of 20-something adults.
>>2516999I agree. They're just crybullies, pretending they want help and using people's kindness as an excuse to lash out and then feel victimized. It's so hostile to productive/interesting conversation. It's also hurting other insecure or vulnerable women who use the site by reinforcing evil sexist moid narratives about women.
No. 2517021
>>2517012I don't like homeschooling and I am against the way it is currently allowed. But I don't think every homeschool case automatically equals abuse. I know people who came out of it fine because their parents adopted a strict adherence to public education standards. I also know some people who would have really benefited from being homeschooled instead of being forced into the public school system where they were routinely abused and left unsupported.
Assuming this woman is a nasty narc demon who abuses her kids because she wanted to homeschool is kind of shortsighted and making a lot of assumptions. We literally don't know anything about that situation.
What I'm more interested in is the "PDAer, if you know you know" line. What the hell does that mean??
No. 2517025
>>2517004>Point out some positive female statistics and they start sperging like they're a schizo on suicide watch.They are
one manifesto away from saying that moids are actually the only beings who have souls.
No. 2517031
>>2517021Anecdote butttttt I was homeschooled under a public school curriculum and ended up completely fine, my grades skyrocketed and I did a shit ton of advanced classes. I just did everything at home, homeschool is completely fine if it’s basically just treated like how a remote job is. I was an autist with aids dee h dee who was being bullied at school. I made friends through extracurriculars and I made friends online. I even signed up to some of the after school stuff at the school nearby back then. Homeschool is bad when parents don’t do their part, assuming someone is
abusive for homeschooling their kids is so retarded. There’s so many reasons parents homeschool. Homeschool just needs to be regulated so religious hicks and hippie trannies don’t brainwash their kids. I don’t blame more parents for wanting to homeschool nowadays, american parents atleast, school shootings happen so much now. It’s scary. Also don’t forget that schools are trying to force the tranny shit on kids. Restrictions on homeschool really require alot of nuance, I don’t think there’s anything wrong with public school either and it’s very important for parents who don’t have resources it’s just that every form of schooling needs to be regulated. And every form of schooling works differently for every individual child (unschooling is fucking retarded though)
No. 2517036
>>2517009>professionals just tell them to troon out especially if they live in a liberal country. Yeah I wish people would stop pushing therapy/psychiatry as a solution to everything when they psyc community is one of the biggest contributors to the problem. These people DO need to touch grass and some of them are schizo enough to possibly merit inpatient care but with the current state of psychiatry they're likely to be harmed more than helped by seeing a 'professional' aka likely grifter.
>If they talk to someone too conservative they’ll just be told they’ll be happy if they’re trad, if they talk to someone too liberal they’ll be told to chop their tits offWhere I live the first doesn't even happen because it's illegal not to give them gender affirming care kek. They will be pushed to troon out no matter what unless they manage to find a therapist willing to risk their career under the table (and lbr this type of woman would be the first to report them to the authorities). The best solution for people like this is to limit their internet access and force them to develop actual hobbies, ideally physical/athletic and social ones. But if you're an adult no one can force you to do that, it's on you and you have to want to help yourself. The problem is a lot of dysphoric people don't want to help themselves because GD is similar to addiction and they want a quick hit of temporary relief rather than a difficult permanent solution.
>They can’t figure out how to actually accept themselves even though they know they have to. People give them the steps to actually accept themselves all the time, but again, no one can force them. The sperg upthread was given plenty of useful and compassionate advice but lashed out at everyone who gave it, telling them she wishes they'd be gangraped and calling them cocksucking evil whores. There are also detrans communities where they can look for advice from other people with similar experiences, but detrans people often don't want them shitting up their spaces either because they are so negative and hostile and consistently attack people who have managed to actually do something productive.
>dysphoria usually isn’t.How are you justifying this claim? Dysphoria was basically unheard of prior to the modern era, even if there were always a handful of people who experienced something similar to sex dysphoria in the past I think it's obvious the rates are much higher now so there is a contagious/cultural element. I agree not all TIFs are dysphoric but there are way more dysphoric women than there were, say, 15-20 years ago even. It was a very rare phenomenon prior to the contagion of gender ideology. Women in the past mostly didn't deal with the trauma of misogyny and sexual dynamics by thinking they could physically transform sex. This is a modern, transhumanist belief. Not to mention that in modern society women are less likely to be forced to marry males or have children than ever before, so if anything dysphoria for this reason should be on the downswing. It is illegal in most wealthy countries to make a woman have sex without her consent, which doesn't mean rape doesn't happen of course but mentally envisioning yourself as male and deliberately putting yourself in male spaces where you're extra vulnerable doesn't do anything to prevent rape anyway, it just makes you more vulnerable to the exact types of predation you're trying to escape. Not that long ago we tried to prevent FGM and admitted it was a crime against girls and women, now FGM is being pushed as a solution to abuse by mentally ill women.
>a mental illness caused by uncontrollable traitsThere's no proof there are uncontrollable traits that cause dysphoria. There are no identifiable biomarkers for dysphoria (or any other mental illness, really). The best evidence suggests that the causes of mental illness are at least largely environmental and sociocultural. Unless by uncontrollable traits you mean traits of the wider society, not traits of the dysphoric individual?
>I think the medical system trooning out girls who wanna follow a trend is more talked about Because it is the majority of cases. Gender dysphoria was studied for many decades but it mainly occurred in males until recently. Most GD cases in children (90% or more) resolved spontaneously without intervention.
>Dysphoria is more like OCD than body dysmorphia or anorexia because dysphoria is very compulsive.I'm not sure what you mean, it is a lot like OCD but anorexia and body dysmorphia are also both very compulsive. All three involve compulsions and an attempt to control the environment/self. Transness is particularly insidious because it usually leads to wanting to control BOTH the self/body AND the external world, in a way which is physically impossible. It also shares traits of delusional disorders.
>People only acknowledge the trannies (female, the males are just evil) who troon out for the trend or because they get attention or look like a yaoi boy.This has never been true of GC communities and is only mostly the case here because this is a gossip imageboard, not a serious forum for radfem discourse. If you go read actual radfem writings on the topic or go to communities like the now-defunct Ovarit you will find plenty of discussion of dysphoric lesbians and pre-ROGD reasons for transgenderism. Radical feminists are fighting an uphill battle to get this acknowledged though because the 'professionals' constantly try to shut them up and get actual science on the topic retracted.
No. 2517056
>>2517036It’s not always internet access, I think you may think I’m talking about retards like BJ chan. Dysphoria has definitely existed before the internet became widespread like it is now. Lesbians wouldn’t have been tiffing out in the 20th century if that was the case. There were a ton of tifs in the community in the 90’s but no one really cared because they viewed them like crossdressers even though they bonded and went by male names and shit. It was also to survive so they could just walk down the streets with their girlfriends but obviously the belief that you have to be male to love women will eventually internalize and become more than just a survival habit. They can’t control being a homosexual so it is an uncontrollable trait. These kinds of women need actual help instead of being told to mutilate themselves. It’s dysphoria because it’s often a compulsive hatred of their reproductive parts as they associate it with things such as pregnancy and sex. I will say that the BJ chan type of dysphoric is relatively new kek, they’re insane and always talk about how they “hate dykes” and assume all women crave cock. They all circle jerk eachother, they’re insane.
>There's no proof there are uncontrollable traits that cause dysphoriaIn saying it’s caused by column A factors, stuff that’s out of their control. Not that you’re born with dysphoria or whatever. It’s social but it’s not really something they can fix within themselves other than the internalized misogyny and homophobia. Otherwise misogyny will continue to exist, unless it’s dismantled (probably not now) It’s also why I said it’s not really comparable to anorexia or body dysmorphia. Especially not body dysmorphia. Brought this up because people claim dysphoria is “just body dysmorphia” when it isn’t and needs to be addressed separately
>but it mainly occurred in malesoff topic but I think this specific thing is because disorders/mental illnesses are often more researched in males. I doubt researchers would wanna recognize any disscontempt women have with being women. For the longest time autism was seen as a male disability when it was really just not being researched in women. The most famous trannies throughout histories were males while tifs were usually broke gay crossdressers who hated themselves other than some outliers. Of course there were broke male trannies but male trannies we’re more likely to have resources
>People give them the steps to actually accept themselves all the time, but again, no one can force them. The sperg upthread was given plenty of useful and compassionate advice but lashed out at everyone who gave it, telling them she wishes they'd be gangraped and calling them cocksucking evil whores. Nona that was BJchan, she’s a cow. She’s not simply dysphoric either. She’s schizophrenic, autistic, and dyslexic, she’s genuinely retarded and she has a shit ton of stuff wrong with her. There’s so much milk kek. Plus she has a discord server full of enablers and orbiters. The dysphoric women from /2X/ aren’t representative of those in real life at all.
My point about them not being given the steps was that they’re just told to distract themselves, nobody really has a set idea on how to make these women love themselves head on. I know dysphoric women with many hobbies who still end up hating themselves to the point where it
triggers another depression just because they bottle it up.
BJ chan though… she’s her own thing.. she’s not even a TIF either she just calls herself male brained
No. 2517058
>>2517012I can't take you seriously when you're calling homeschooling inherently
abusive and on a level with being a controlling NPD moid who punches walls, threatens his wife, and scares his wife/children at all hours of the day and night while refusing to feed them. I have several good friends who were homeschooled and turned out totally fine, many of them ended up better educated than average (not to mention sped kids in particular are often abused in schooling by burnt-out teachers and TAs so a lot of parents feel like it's safer to keep special needs kids at home) and it seems like this is the only reason you're calling her an abuser other than vibes and the fact she was a foster kid. Woman with difficult childhood = automatic narc now?
>>2517038>I'm very certain that many of them believe that their souls are male because they think women don't have souls or all women are self degrading pickmes.They literally say this shit themselves verbatim and wish gangrapes and death on women who try to help them. They also don't bother even trying to understand the people they're talking to and say shit like
>terfs define womanhood by femininity>women are eugenicist, tribalistic, hierarchical, hegemonic, racist, and narcissistic billions of times more than men>feminism was invented by white cultists and is a white power ideology>whoreness is the main biological female essence>women are incapable of feeling, only manipulation>women invented the word misogyny to get away with being amoral>women are spineless and only capable of hurting other women>female homosexuality doesn't existSo yeah I'm pretty sure they're not asking for help in good faith and they should go hang out with their precious moids if they love them so much. We can't save everybody. I think it's worthwhile to try to help gender dysphoric children (or their parents/relatives who are looking for advice) and gender dysphoric women who are actually trying to help themselves and struggling to stay on track but you can't talk someone out of this level of mental delusion.
>>2517040Agreed. There are some people who should not have access to the internet for their own good if they use it to self harm.
No. 2517076
>>2517058I’m
>>2517056 and I agree with what you’re saying. These women in /2X/ are far gone and are just cows at this point, they’re not even just dysphoric either. They’re all schizophrenic. We should just give our attention to the women who will accept it. People like BJ chan just want enablers
No. 2517109
>>2517056No, I understand you're not only talking about retards like BJchan, I just gave her as an example of how you can't force people who aren't ready to be helped. Gender dysphoria is similar to an addict mindset and it is notoriously difficult to help addicts who haven't done the internal work themselves because part of addiction is an inherent resistance to experiencing a normal mental state. Of course dysphoric women who are genuinely seeking help and mentally ready to break the cycle should be helped if possible.
>Dysphoria has definitely existed before the internetYes, but like I said, it was very rare, especially in women. It was even more rare prior to the technological revolution and postmodern/transhumanist/gender theory in the early-mid-20th century. I didn't blame it on the internet alone although the internet has caused these ideas to proliferate more widely, I blamed it on gender ideology itself which is a pre-internet ideology.
>Lesbians wouldn’t have been tiffing out in the 20th century if that was the case.A lot of the cases of historical lesbians who 'tiffed out' were actually just normal women who accepted their biology but needed to present themselves as masculine or pretend they were male to gain access to certain careers, areas of society, or social privileges. Going by a male name or wearing male clothing does not mean you have physical gender dysphoria, it can just mean that you are trying to play out a masculine gender role or escape notice when you walk down the street with your girlfriend. Physical gender dysphoria is generally a more recent social phenomenon that took off with the advent of medical advances and body modifications; prior to gender ideology generally people didn't think they could literally change their sex except for very rare cases of extreme asylum-level delusion. Being a homosexual does not usually make you dysphoric so you can't just blame gender dysphoria on homosexuality. Most dysphoric males are not and have never been homosexual and dysphoria in females was so rare there was almost no research on it although lesbians have always existed in similar numbers to the current day. Many lesbians love female biology and enjoy sex with each other; fear of being forced into rape or marriage or pregnancy with a man doesn't necessarily translate to dysphoria and if it did most straight women would have been dysphoric throughout history too because they were just as likely to be raped or forced into pregnancy/marriage as lesbians. It's not like most women were in happy love marriages throughout history with men they were attracted to.
>It’s social but it’s not really something they can fix within themselves other than the internalized misogyny and homophobia. But internalized misogyny is fixable in my opinion, that's what I'm trying to say. Anorexia is most frequently also a result of sexual abuse and trauma so I think it is actually very comparable; there is also a huge overlap between anorexics/bulemics and gender dysphoric TIFs. In many cases it is almost indistinguishable especially since many dysphoric TIFs are more bothered by their breasts than their reproductive biology. I think the reason it is compared to body dysmorphia is because it is, essentially, just a specific subcategory of body dysmorphia - hatred of and delusion about the body and attempt to control external circumstances and mental/emotional states through modification or control of the body.
>this specific thing is because disorders/mental illnesses are often more researched in males.A lot of the early research on transsexuality in males also included research on females, they just literally couldn't find as many dysphoric or transsexual females to study. It's true to some extent that more attention was given to males in certain types of medical research but at the time gender dysphoria was first being studied there was actually a large research field into supposed female mental and psychosexual disorders (many of which are now not considered real, but nonetheless) particularly because women were often viewed as more hysterical or mentally ill. I think if there was a large subset of dysphoric women, early psychiatric researchers would have been interested in them. It's not really the same as autism (I think you're referring to Aspergers here really) which has been harder to detect in females largely due to masking and due to the fact there are far more males with low functioning autism.
>Nona that was BJchan, she’s a cow. I know she's a cow but the advice people gave her would be equally helpful for non-schizo dysphoric women. I have personally known dysphoric women in real life who took that advice and got better. It's simply unfair to say no one ever gives dysphoric women advice, especially in radfem and detrans communities which are full of women who either had dysphoria in the past or at least 'gender troubles' of some kind. Telling people to stop fixating on porn/heterosexual sex and actually do productive things with their minds and bodies is NOT just telling themselves to distract themselves, it is the exact opposite. It is telling them to snap out of a compulsion with distracting themselves about unchangeable physical realities and learn to appreciate their body and mind for what it physically can do. It is well-established in psychological research that rumination makes mental illness and delusions worse, and characterizing healthy cognitive habits as 'bottling it up' is unhelpful. These women need to learn to let go of their obsessive rumination. This is always the thing that helps.
No. 2517112
>>2517056BJ chan has a discord server? Where'd you find that out? I'm legitimately worried that she's going to commit some sort of crime, assuming she hasn't already and is on house arrest or some shit. It's one of those cases where it's the enablers who are even worse. There's a case to be made that horrorcows like Chris Chan wouldn't be nearly as bad if he didn't have people egging him on for their own entertainment. If he had never been exposed to the internet, he likely would have just been that one weird guy who works at the gas station.
Now, with BJ Chan, there's definitely something deeply wrong with her. Like some unholy conception of borderline, narcissistic, and antisocial personality disorders. People like her should not be allowed social media. It's how a lot of people I know who've had eating disorders were treated for it. Any enabling at all is enough for them.
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>>2517109nta but I feel like we have infought before, we will always be more similar than different nona.
No. 2517138
>>2517113Why do you think so nona? Is it because of the semicolons or the spergy longpost? It's very possible but I would hope we're all mostly on the same page here. We (most of us anyway) only infight because we care, at least I do.
>>2517112Yeah the things she says make me genuinely worried for her and I hope it's just a larp/she's overdoing it for attention but I'm not so sure. I think sometimes TIFs pretend to be cluster b and overly aggressive because they feel like it makes them more moidlike but in her case she is really dedicated to the act if that's what she's doing. If she has a discord I wonder what type of people are in it/why are they enabling her? She is an absolute nightmare to talk to.
No. 2517140
>>2517112You junkuchan lurkers are so bad at even recognizing cows. Bj chan isnt the one posts about commiting violance against women it a different person. Her discord is filled with blackpillers and
femcels currently not dysphorics
No. 2517177
>>2517138You have a structure of typing that makes it identifiable, your sentences and paragraphs have a specific set up that I've seen when I may have infought with you. I do think we have very similar ideas but it differs on such a subtle but noticeable level. I've been trying to stop infighting but I wish you the best.
>>2517154This, it's the main reason why I stopped going on social media. I always get more dysphoric when I see people do the chop so staying off social media was one of the best decisions I've ever made. I also don't think a lot of gnc fashion advice is really helpful, and if I wanted any inspiration I'd just go to pinterest.
No. 2517211
>>2517154Watching TIF instavids was your first mistake. There are countless ROGD girls who mention they got radicalized into trooning out because of like a single weekend of scrolling the wrong tiktoks or whatever, the social media grooming algo is definitely a thing. Vidrel is one example off the top of my head of a girl who got prescribed hormones after like 1 appointment with a school counsellor because she went ham on tiktok one day.
>>2517177Damn I need to figure out how to make my typing style less identifiable then. Anyway I never try to infight on purpose, I'm just saying I think I end up in infights because I'm passionate about the topic. Anyway whoever you are and whatever we infought about I'm glad we have more in common than not.
>I also don't think a lot of gnc fashion advice is really helpful, and if I wanted any inspiration I'd just go to pinterest.I think it's weird that it's pushed as a specific thing in general, because if anything actual original fashion style is such a personal and individual thing that it's weird to categorize fashion as 'GNC' on purpose. A lot of what is currently considered GNC fashion is just a fairly conformist style to signal group belonging, it used to be that most fashions considered GNC were just unique to the individual who wore the clothes.
No. 2517508
>>2515454You're so clever and based anon ily
>>2517113Kekk the furry art. Beautiful
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>>2515727> It probably gives them some kind of relief to accept TiMs as well, in a completely bizarre way. If these men truly feel like they exist to be disposable things, then “masculinity” (aka humanity) isn’t inherently tied to male biology. Men don’t have a monopoly on personhood because of their “exceptions”, therefore the libfem isn’t tied to inhumanity due to her female biology. She can be “fluid”. She feels like a woman when she is low-agency, stupid, frivolous, or having embarrassing BDSM sex with her shitty boyfriend, and feels like a man when she has agency, introspection, and opinions.This explains a lot. I feel like I’ve known this all along but never knew how to put it to words.
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Trannies keep on losing.
No. 2517724
>>2517704NTA but I agree with everything you said. I don't know how anyone can say that it's
women who are slaves to our biology when scrotes will drive themselves insane, ruin their own lives, and kill themselves over their dicks.