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No. 1989982[Reply]

"Ethel Cain" and "Hayden Silas Anhedonia" are pseudonyms of Macon Horner, a misogynistic troon, awful musician who rips off nicole dollanganger and lana del rey, and who fetishizes girls getting abused in the church and sex trafficking. he used to be an irrelevant moid DJ called white silas who was involved in the soundclout scene before trooning out and finding his "niche" fetishizing female trauma and skinwalking nicole/lana >>1764675 >>1917800 >>1761141 and he has fanbase in current coquette aesthetic who kiss his ass cause he's a transwoman uwu

>kissed nicole's ass >>1845218 and even got multiple tattoos of her lyrics
>got nicole's ex-boyfriend to work on his shitty music >>1793816 >>1642065 and then surpassed her/denounced her >>1987336 while nicole was rightfully cancelled for her shit, troonthel gets away with it because he is a "transwoman writing about the girlhood he never had" >>1812183
>troon rage about how he thinks radfems secretly want to fuck him and he "won't touch us broads with a 10 foot pole" >>1914239 calls women "nasty slugs/beasts" bc we have "coarse hair on our pussies and assholes" >>1914200
>writes insane tumblr spergouts about "small breedable 12 year old girls" to "own the terfs,"
>namesearches himself all day to argue with teenage radfems >>1586186
>wrote an entire album ripping off lana del rey's old americana/sinister suburbia aesthetic with lyrics about his preacher's daughter alter ego uwu sad girl getting drugged, murdered, and raped, iPost too long. Click here to view the full text.
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No. 2113305>>2113604

>>2113298
and for everyone saying it's not that deep, we literally have people in successive posts stating that he's a clear cut agp or a clear cut hsts in the same day so clearly this isn't as much of a surface level cut and dry topic as people want to insist that it is

No. 2113315>>2113576

Macon started off as a Nicole Dollanganger calf and didn't get any popularity until relatively recently. A lot of nonnas itt reference thoughts they had about him years before popularity took off, so I'm dead curious- are a majority of you fans of Ethel adjacent artists? Or former fans? Even his most die hard Preacher's Daughter obsessors only learned about him a few months ago so what is the demographic here

No. 2113576

>>2113315
saw his annoying ass on tumblr getting licked, found out he's a musician and is relatively popular/milky, is what I'd guess a lot of draw to this thread.
he has many very annoying tumblr posts still flowing around and people yassqueening him on those or terfs ripping him to shreds.

No. 2113604>>2113621

>>2113305
You mean one pseudo-intelectual autist sperging about how totes deep and layered and multi-faceted Ethel Cain is because they've never been exposed to these tropes like most online Tumblr users in the 2010s have? It's literally just multitudes of obnoxious sociology student garbage.

No. 2113621

>>2113604
it is "layered and multi-faceted" because there are people in back to back posts saying "stupid discussion he's textbook agp" then "stupid discussion he's textbook hsts" but I'll drop it because the degree of anger this on topic discussion is causing is equally spergy (sperg meltdown over something as simple as the thread not discussing exactly what you want). I don't give a fuck about being called a pseudo-intelectual. I don't need a P.H.D. in a fake science like sexology to have interesting discussions with ppl itt about a cow we find particularly milky (loved the great and fascinating insights from people who also found the topic interesting). But like I said, I'll drop the subject to placate the sperg rage (I used to work with children so I'm good at navigating unwarranted meltdowns over absolutely nothing)


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No. 2045323[Reply]

Recreating this thread since the last one was shit and there's too much cow potential to let this one go

Kate is a 32 year old high-as-fuck self proclaimed “social worker” from Australia who began posting tiktoks and instagram reels of her so-called path to sobriety, the vast majority of which showcase her “relapsing” (using) every week. Since she began posting videos pertaining to her avid heroin use, she has managed to rack up over a hundred thousand followers, one of which is our beloved fellow cow, Luna Slater.


Recent milk
>Claims to have broken up with her (ex?)boyfriend “Lee” of 10 years due to his relapse after two years of sobriety and to escape a codependent relationship. (Obviously due to involvement with her tsk)
>After Kate claimed to break up with Lee, she videoed him nodding out and decided it was a great idea to post about it on tiktok ( https://ibb.co/cTsFp4G )
>Another video involving Lee shows her “accidentally” running into him at the methadone clinic, yet another great idea of hers!
>Despite claiming to have been sober, Kate has a plethora of health problems leading to require a heart monitor due to blackouts
>Has delayed the shipment of her art to customers due to mental health reasons, upsetting many
>Began interacting with her snark subreddit, got outraged and began (quite ironically) calling everybody a bunch of junkies who are jealous of her VERY successful career

“Old” / Contextual milk
>Was a parole officer during active heroin addiction
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>>2105390
kek she's such a bogan

No. 2105965>>2105974

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She's once again mad that people are unfollowing her on Instagram. Maybe actually sober up for once. She's such an attention whore.

No. 2105974>>2106441

>>2105965
Posting a mean video for her unfollowers… yet only the people "supporting her" are being told to suck her dick because everyone who unfollowed will not be seeing that video.

No. 2106441

>>2105974
she's not known for thinking at all

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No. 1928715[Reply]

https://www.facebook.com/bretdarling
Tik Tok: https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMe2Yvoe6/
SoundCloud: https://soundcloud.com/amandabret

Amanda Bret / Amanda Schafemeyer / Labozetta/ bratoutofhell-

It's been over a year since Mandy and co. had a new thread, and sadly, not much has happened. Rumors of homelessness, financial cut offs, and full blown addiction abound, but the fact is Mandy is just not the Mandy of yore. One can only make a new post and hope that our meatball eyed queen makes another appearance in the lolcow annals of history.

previous thread 1 >>943302

previous thread 2 >>971778

previous thread 3 >>1022186

previous thread 4 >>1170070
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No. 2107899>>2109139

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Of course this dummy thinks semesters start during spring break

No. 2109139

>>2107899
She’s so bored now that she has no man again that she’s making up going to college.

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Insurance does not cover lasik. This bitch is so dense. More of Jon’s family money?

No. 2111392

>>1389365
Sage for mega necro but nonna if you still need resources or just want justice joe has an open case. We can find a way to communicate, maybe discord. There’s at least 4-5 girls on it. Still grosses me out Amanda likes to affiliate with the trash fire known as the Brooklyn metal/hardcore scene. You don’t listen to any of this music so why cape for these std ridden moids?

No. 2111485

>>1928715
>>2078606

Its funny yall are just finding the thread, newbies. She let someone die in her apartment. Someone from Tiger King. A drug/alcohol overdose or something. He was dead for like… 3 days while Amanda and poopdread partied in the next room. She was supposed to be helping Cowie detox.


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No. 1343332[Reply]

I know this cow has been documented before in the FTM thread but I found out a couple of edgy streamers are documenting her, and I feel like she is milky enough for her own thread.

Gaasuba is a 30 year old communist furry who is currently living in Memphis. She lives with the “Kittens Family”, which includes a dude literally named Jail, an MtF named Mariah who is not even trying, and one other person named Nell who isn’t milky so nobody cares.

>”non-binary” (read: girl with a goatee)
>has a huge hoarding problem; was evicted because the hoard caused damage to her apartment, as well as for spray painting Homestuck/commie shit on the wall
>granted the place was still shit but their constant drug use and hoarding made it irreparably worse
>refuses to get a job because she’s “disabled” but in reality it’s because she thinks that work is beneath her and would rather be a “house spouse”
>spends all her time high on either weed or hydros and making videos with absolutely retarded takes such as “adoption is cultural genocide”, “dogs are rude because we have no free time because of work”, “we shouldn’t allow the ‘brainwashed’ elderly to live”, and “landlords are an anarchist mafia”
>believes that people go around deliberately hurting animals and then film themselves rescuing them for YouTube money
>claims her dad tried to run her over with his car when in reality she and Jail were physically preventing him from leaving by clinging to the hood and door
>also threatened him with a bo staff
>got kicked out of a friend’s place that she and her uwu kweer found family were staying in because Mariah stole and pawned three multitool knives from them
>her OnlyFans is straight up nightmare fuel - infected-looking pussy and asshole, breast pump kink even though she’s never been pregnant, communal Bad Dragon dildos, racebait porn
>makes the aforementioned disgusting porn in the houses of people she is house sitting for
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No. 2111258>>2111266>>2111271

now that her thread is getting some milk again, what sort of fucking name is gaasuba meskhenet??

No. 2111266

>>2111258
asking the real questions kek ive been wondering since this thread was created

No. 2111271

>>2111258
Meskhenet is an Egyptian goddess of childbirth? Probably chosen because she has some weird breeding/breadtpump fetish. I'm assuming Gaasuba is just some retarded garbled weeb shit? Definitely one of the goofiest cow "names" though.


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No. 1360838[Reply]

A Thread to discuss all the hilarious online and IRL afrocentrists and Hoteps
This thread is specifically about afrocentrists, mostly african americans who genuinely believe that black africans were responsible for all human advancements and sciences and that greeks, romans, arabs, moors, native americans and especially Egyptians were all black, basically the black counterparts to Varg's Ilk except imo somehow even more delusional

a common trait among afrocentrists is they often look to Ancient Egypt as the source of all human culture, hence the adoption of the Ancient Egyptian term Hoted and recently many have gained an obsession's with the MCU film black panther and have adopted symbolism and rhetoric from the film

https://twitter.com/hotepspostingls

IMPORATANT NOTE - No racebait, no posting normal african americans and no regurgitative comments about "black culture" or other bullshit, go to kiwifarms if your gonna behave like that
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>>2111191
On top of that there's a tradition in iconography of depicting Jesus and Mary as the same ethnicity as whatever community the picture is going to be on display for. It's not meant to literally show their race, like "surprise, Jesus was Chinese the whole time"

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>>2111234
hence, Mormon Jesus

No. 2111563>>2111703

This thread is such a trip. These weirdoes must be so full of self-hatred to cosplay every god damn race in existence. Can they not find a single thing about legitimate African history or culture to be proud of?

No. 2111703>>2112488

>>2111563
It's sad honestly. Im Mexican and I get annoyed when these retards claim to be the real olmecs (something that was debunked with DNA testing in 2018) and call my family Mongolian invaders when my grandma literally has the same flat nose and full lips as the Olmec statues. But then I feel pity for them. They hate themselves so much they actively avoid cultures that are theirs.

Like I'm not even black but I always thought Shaka Zulu, Mansa Musa, and Queen Amanirenas were cool as hell. But these retards feel embarrassed by their history for whatever reason and would rather be racist and appropriate other people's history.

Also, I've always wondered- if the real Jews and the real Egyptians were black does that mean they enslaved themselves? Do these retards even think through their hotep theories?

No. 2112488

>>2111703
>these retards feel embarrassed by their history for whatever reason and would rather be racist and appropriate other people's history.
Because they're American. No matter what an African American does, no matter how different they claim to be from the American White person, they are more similar to eachother than they ever will be to an African or anything else. It is the nature of yanks to larp as something- Irish, Nordic, Italian- and build a personality around it no matter how inaccurate it is. They're not embarrassed of their own culture. They're just being culturally American


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No. 2070352[Reply]

Last thread: >>1874473

Recent drama: Too much to summarize, search Dexerto for your favorite streamer(shit thread, don't make one if you don't want to summarize the last thread.)
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No. 2111593>>2112489

>>2110883
The whole thing is kind of weird because everything she described fit the niche of her and Emirus friendship to a t, down to the ages and timelines. I honestly think she was talking about Emiru but walked it back because she couldn't take the heat and realized what she was saying was monumentally misleading and an obvious grab for attention. Nothing she described at all was grooming. She described a platonic friendship and even specified the only physical contact was holding hands, which friends do. Shits in the trenches.

No. 2112489>>2113160>>2113555

>>2111593
IIRC from the emiru general, Bonbi is permaseething because emiru took the side of the guy who sexually harassed her, or something like that. She probably saw her increasingly thirsty thirstposts (courtesy of her newfound association with norafawn), got mad this is the same Emiru who has shitting on her for wanting to do onlyfans, started talking shit, and spiraled out of her control.

No. 2113160>>2113555

>>2112489
These retarded microcosms kek. She's single and hanging up the "I'm gay hehehe" larp to thirstrap in attempt to make mizkif seethe and probably attract another ugly incel mentally stunted gamerbro, like every other egirl ever. It's clear the accusations were about Emi but I have no idea about the guy who sexually harassed her? but I wouldn't be at all surprised at her supporting another abysmally retarded man.

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>>2112489
>>2113160
Pretty sure it was Emiru old friend/mod, Phillyfan. I remember there being this huge purge afterwards. Picrel is Bonbi talking about it on a Tiktok of Emiru crying on stream about CrazySlick and Adrianah Lee.

No. 2113605

>>2113555
The clip where she wasn't crying at all, only pretending to cry with zero tears at all? That was such a bizarre watch. It's pretty obvious from the general attitude she has around men and the men she aligns herself with that she isn't actually a girls girl at all and is hyperfocused on pandering. I'd believe accounts of her ignoring or brushing off other women's accusations, her entire persona revolves around men, even her pretend gushing over women panders to men and is her trying to level with them and make them feel she's ~just like them~ kek. Genius business model but definitely wouldn't want to align with her circles given that she loves to associate with men who are useless and creepy.


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No. 2079391[Reply]

Becky Lilley aka catholica_pandam on Instagram is a 22-year old ''autistic'' tradcath influencer, mom-to-be, stoner, addict and student from Fredericton, Canada. She's married to Ian, an autistic man of Scottish descent. She has amassed a following on IG after her autistic catholic wedding pictures went viral, but has been increasinly scrutinized due to her erratic, attention-seeking behavior, oversharing, inconsistencies, self-infantilization and speculation that her ''autism'' is in reality a badly managed case of BPD. She loves posting about her dog, God, housewife duties, autism, how catholicism saved her from a troubled adolescence and how much she actually hates parasocial relationships and e-fame.

LINKS :
IG: https://www.instagram.com/catholica_pandam/
Fan reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/catholicpandam/
Snark reddit (featuring archived lives): https://www.reddit.com/r/catholicpanda/
Her mother's IG: https://www.instagram.com/old_lady_trudge_/
Ian's IG: https://www.instagram.com/ianswoodworking/

Recent milk
>Has taken several breaks from social media due to mental health emergencies, only to return very quickly afterwards. Kept posting through it via her husband and mom's accounts
>Was admitted to a psychiatric facility after discussing suicide on IG, checked out to access her opiate medication for her endo period
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No. 2110959>>2110960>>2111565

Redditors posting irrelevant "transphobic" shit from her sub chat have made her delete the subscriber chat. Expect the milk to dry up I fear

No. 2110960

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>>2110959

No. 2111565>>2112126

>>2110959
Arent tradcaths literally transphobes by default?? Why would redditors care?

No. 2112126

>>2111565
it wasn't even her that made the comments - it was 2 subscribers who were bombarded by the others in the chat. Sometimes the reddit forgets she's a tradcath and when she says something not PC they all lose their minds when in reality it's totally obvious she won't be woke

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I’m pretty sure she said she wasn’t a fan of Francis and had disagreements with him. Now that he’s died he’s her favourite pope so she can get more sympathy?


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Pilleater (Joe Nally) is a 34 year old Jewish nazi who makes videos about about hipster archetypes that have recently gone viral on Instagram and TikTok, especially with the post-left NYC crowd. He has yellow fever and believes that white men need to breed exclusively with Asian women in order to save the world with what he calls Asian Aryanism (AxA) or Eurasian nationalism. He has an extensive history of pretending to be an Asian woman on Reddit, Tumblr, and Omegle, and uses sockpuppet accounts to indulge in his AGP Asian fetish fantasies and promote his ideology. His videos are WMAF (white man, Asian female) nationalism propaganda.

>once ran a site called asianaryanism.com that promoted "asiensexual" identity
>"Your worst enemy is not Jews, White Man, but your own females."
>first said he was white, then asian, then hapa, then 1/4 asian
>almost all of his meme videos about hipsters are WMAF self-inserts
>the rest of the videos are about how ugly white women and black men are
>wrote on his old blog about constantly masturbating to Asian porn, doing drugs, hating his rich family, wondering if his Asian fetish is compatible with white nationalism, hating himself for being Jewish, being disappointed with the alt-right for liking white women
>spammed hapa subreddits with posts about how WMAF will save the white race
>ran a tumblr, twitter, and blog pretending to be an Asian woman with a white man fetish
>pretended to be an Asian woman with the username AznChick4whitegods on r/churchofwhiteworshio, r/asiancuckolds, r/whitefever, r/asiangirlsforwhitemen, r/asiancuckoldcaptions and r/asiangirlswhitecocks, some of those subs being made by him.
>wrote a book called Suicidal, Asian, and Promiscuous: The Muse We Neglect
>does discord debates he uploads to bitchute where he rambles about how much he needs Asian women while saying the n word over and over again
>his book Almond Eyes, Baby Face has a bound and gagged Asian woman drowning on the cover he says was inspired by pedophile artist Trevor Brown
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No. 2111054>>2111061>>2111063

seems like dimes square reactionaries are now paying this guy to make videos about them as advertisement. not at all a surprise.

No. 2111061>>2111063

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>>2111054
His replies are all milady pfps now.

No. 2111062

>>2110869

this is the most female attention he's ever had and it shows.

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>>2111061
>>2111054
Seems like all the posts about real actual people are the result of those people DMing him scripts to use kekkk how desperate

No. 2112438

>>2110121
he probably blocked you


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No. 2102687[Reply]

Bianca Blakney, known online as Pinuppixie, is a 27 year-old influencer and Marilyn Monroe clone from Vancouver Island, Canada. She became popular on Tiktok during the pandemic for her vintage fashion content, buying and refurbishing vintage items and doing vintage renovations. After getting divorced in 2023 she started spiraling badly, becoming addicted to plastic surgery and tattooing almost her entire body in a short amount of time.

Links:
Tiktok https://www.tiktok.com/@pinuppixie?lang=en
YT
https://youtube.com/@pinuppixietm
Xitter full of porn
https://x.com/pinuppixie_?lang=en
Insta
https://www.instagram.com/pinuppixietm/reels/?hl=en
OF
https://onlyfans.com/pinuppixietm
Snark sub
https://www.reddit.com/r/pinuppixiesnark/

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No. 2110008>>2110025

>>2108388
It's not even just that the tattoos are seen as unfeminene, men see you as being "marked" and assume another man did it. It's like some kind of skin virginity where they are really angry someone touched her at all. Dumb men see tattoos as a sign of trespass

No. 2110025>>2111067

>>2109996
I actually think you can kind of have the vintage look and still have tattoos, but her tattoos are too modern looking, especially the ones on her throat and chest. Her throat tattoo kind of reminds me of Jake Munro's thrussy tattoo (although not as bad)

>>2110008
That's weird, I've never heard that but it sounds like something men would think. I always just hear that they think it's too manly and that you're promiscuous/do drugs.

No. 2110674>>2110817

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The ass situation continues to get worse. It's a shelf. This looks like a still taken out of context but watching the video it came from is so much worse.

No. 2110817

>>2110674
I agree and it's saddens me to see her like this. She might have a bipolar episode right now because she is really eratic in her last videos.

And on the photo you can clearly see that her "fat transfer" (as she claims) is moving and shouldn't be there.(sage your shit)

No. 2111067

>>2110025
Agreed! She could’ve pulled off a rockabilly look if she had gotten American traditional tattoos instead of the cyborg shit. Oh well


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No. 2073307[Reply]

Thread to discuss radical feminist or radfem-adjacent lolcows.

This thread is not for discussion/discourse about ideology or anything else that isn't discussion of radfem lolcows and their milk. There are many other places for that.

IF YOU ARE NEW TO THIS WEBSITE, READ THE RULES (https://lolcow.farm/rules#snow) AND LURK BEFORE POSTING

Seba Abdullah / Mithliya (formerly Menalez)
>Straight DDLG blogger turned "lesbian" radfem
>Constantly powerlevels about being "literally from a third world country!" despite the elephant in the room that she lives a more privileged life than most first worlders because her family is wealthy
>Lied about being black for years
>Still uses AAVE online despite dropping the larp
>Over exaggerates every aspect of her life, thinks having BPD means she's "disabled" and having sold nudes online a couple of times makes her a "prostitution survivor"
>Known on radblr for constantly creating drama and driving women she doesn't like off the site by siccing her followers on them
>Threw a huge self-victimizing fit and "left tumblr" earlier this year because her years of consistent malicious behavior towards other women were criticized by people who weren't dismissable retards, came back 3 weeks later
>Always dismisses all criticism directed at her as racism, believes that what happened in the last bullet was that "the racists banded together n [sic] attacked [her]"
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No. 2110940

>>2110922
She literally did post herself on a dedicated thread and nobody gaf so now she's on the radfem thread for it. Go post your ugly face somewhere else

No. 2110953>>2111171

>>2110794
>being a nobody and posting unflattering angles of yourself on an imageboard is just insane.
Correct, this kind of attention-seeking behavior is insane. You're so, so close to getting it, almost like you're deliberately skirting the truth.

No. 2111171

>>2110953
Shes not even able to keep her nose uncensored and yet shes still posting her face looking to be humiliated lol

No. 2113680>>2113705

https://archive.ph/9vAhG
Saged for ancient milk. Looks like Get the L Out UK is ran by a bunch of polilez with a history of enabling SA and bullying autistic women. It's serious abuse but i'm kekking at how they look and act like older versions of vvitchscvm and HD, do they make polilez headcases in factories or something

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>>2113680
Samefag, the worst bully in that org sells pebbles for nearly 200 dollars, if anyone is interested
https://wildwomynworkshop.com/store/art/feminist-moon-original-artwork/


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