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21 year old "family friendly pet mom" Youtuber, her 32 year old junkie boyfriend Jonny Craig, and her creepy controlling mother.
Previous thread: >>>/pt/618237
The basics:> Taylor is a notorious animal hoarder known for collecting 40+ rare and exotic pets and manhandling/mistreating them for the sake of her Youtube channel which has over 1 million subscribers. Several pets have died in her care, many more have fallen ill due to her neglect or disappeared after "rehoming" them. Fails to give proper enclosures for many of her pets, including overstuffing fish tanks, keeping her kittens locked in the bathroom, and her mouse and hedgehog in the closet.> Jonny Craig is the frontman of the band Slaves and is most well-known for being an outspoken abusive junkie. He has been in and out of rehab centers for a decade now and has been kicked out of multiple bands and off of tours for his behavior. He is usually homeless when he does not have a girlfriend to leech off of.> Several of Jonny's ex-girlfriends have come out with stories of Jonny's physical and sexual abuse, including rape at knife-point. His ex Chelsea confided this in Taylor when she and Jonny first started dating, in which Taylor's response was to laugh with Jonny and make a public spectacle of it.> Taylor loves to throw pity parties for herself and dodge around the real issues when faced with criticism about her husbandry, hoarding, and hypocrisy. She can never keep her stories straight and will tell outright lies only to contradict them hours later. Her fans are sycophants who only encourage her.
Facebook (private:) https://www.facebook.com/Taylor.Nicole.Dean
List of all Taylor's pets:https://docs.google.com/document/d/1QNUksDcQk_cqLTkTFTiPjP2pCGBQgORyCesIIqvZ2Zs/edit?pli=1
Stats of Taylor’s pets and history:https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1e8bakM4GHa2J1y4qwYsB-T0jSpN5uWCI_q0dv-odij4/htmlview#
New Milk:> Has returned from over a month long hiatus (for now)> Versatile Reptiles, Breezexotixs, and whatever (video anon) are verified with Tripcodes> Still never made an apology video for slandering South Texas Dragons> Admits to live feeding, and knocking rodents out with blunt force instead of a CO2 chamber (as recently as mid Nov, also leaving a live feeder alone with her snake for 20 mins, only checking on it once)> Mushu has been shown without much gill feathering left recently shown much more clearly with facial scarring, even less feathering and stressed posturing> Attempted to purchase two new crocodile skinks on the down low before a smaller pettuber ratted on the cover-up of the deaths> Claiming that she's one of the few pettubers that is actually up front with the accident and the issues they have, despite trying to continuous hide the deaths of her mantis shrimp, lionfish, skinks, pacman frog etc for weeks-months after they happened> More enclosures being shown with completely empty water dishes> Cheese died suddenly, convenietly when she released new merch featuring him, has been pushing her merch harder than usual> She has alluded to a ‘friend’ that has a cowfish twice the size of cheese that she may replace Cheese with (if she hasn’t already)> Gave Cheese a “viking funeral” then sent him for autopsy (put him on a boat during a monetized video)> Videos calling out her care have stated to take over searches for her> In combination with the call-out videos on YT, after she posted the video of Cheese’s “funeral” TND began to hemmorage subscribers> Other pettubers began making (monetized) videos to defend TND and claiming that they were worried that “the bullying against Taylor” might ‘make her’ self harm> Other pettubers begin distancing themselves from TND> TND shuts off comments on the videos and instagram posts around cheese amid mass criticism > Has been bouncing deactivations on her twitter and instagram during the controversy around Cheese> Recent Known Deaths: Orchid Mantis, Mantis Shrimp, Pacman Frog, Crocodile Skinks, Zazu, Cheese
Unconfirmed Milk:> Ursula (Halloween Crab) died of a mismolt, was possibly replaced with another female crab.> Electrical malfunction story was fabricated. Croc Skinks died of dehydration due to her not giving them enough water during a heatwave. Pacman frog died of malnutrition due to only being fed mice. > Gucci escaped from their enclosure and was missing for 2 months. Taylor bought Parada as a replacement. Gucci was found in Gus’ enclosure after eating him. Taylor claimed Gus died of old age.
All Previous Threads:
General Pettuber Thread:>>>/snow/730730
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Honorable mention for thread photo.
Thank you anon!
I really hope she doesn't go to Repticon Orlando, the last thing her "comeback" needs is another new animal in another shitty enclosure
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>>628556>her eyes look dead af lmao
Made me think of this
The videos showing off her hoard and giving pet care advice are the kinds of videos that will continue being pushed by the algorithm. It might be weird for say a vlog or commentary channel that hasn't uploaded in a while but not for animal channels.
For example if you search "betta fish, "betta fish care", "hedgehog", "feeding snake" etc TND's videos show up close to the top.
While I was testing those I searched for her channel and noticed "drama" and "animal hoarder" are high in the suggested searches. Kek
That makes sense, I would've just thought that people don't bother subscribing when they see that she has a shitty uploading schedule and hasn't been posting interesting content.
And lol at the suggestions, I hope she never lives it down
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I've been going through her old all my pets videos and I saw that she said it sometimes takes her 2+ hours to feed them… Jesus, that was 3 years and 30 pets ago. I really hope she was already exaggerating back then because I don't want to imagine how long it'd take to feed all of them correctly nowadays.
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Doesn't she only have one left?
Also, found this gem. She doesn't even realize what a hypocrite she is lol
Literally tells us to just listen to her word when it comes to her animal care & then says this.
Love that for her
I agree, I spend on average 2 hours cleaning/feeding my rats. I do have a large mischief, but cleaning out a DCN can take upwards of an hour if you're doing a thorough job like cleaning plastics, replacing/washing fleece, etc. This doesn't even include the time I take to play and socialize with them.
This is why I'm horrified she got rats in the first place and I'm worried for her animals in cages like her hedgies. The smell of ammonia in that apartment must be awful.
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Getting stuff at disney when she has no money to spare
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Crazy. The last time she uploaded something was December 10th, and that was the Google Photos promotional vid. Hilariously, this is her pinned comment on that.
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I thought she was done giving us attention?
Also wow imagine throwing an innocent person under the bus and then saying how they're making it up because you didn't want to be their friend. That's some ego right there.
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Dusty’s going off white knighting TND to try and get her attention.
How stupid do you have to be to believe Taylor?
She promised a cage walkthrough and then conveniently disappeared. And upon her return she refuses to do it because they're all just haters.
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"animals die all the time lmfao"
This sums up TND and get fan base's opinion perfectly. They don't give a shit about animals.
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Sorry to spam. Just want to show Dusty gets a lot of info from forums himself. This is the leaps Taylor fans will take to defend her. He’s not some animal expert himself. If anything his videos have information that he’s gotten from other people.
Ignore that, Lolcow glitched out on me. >>628909
I agree, he’s a wealth of milk but we shouldn’t clog this thread with him.
People over the age of 11 believe you. All the popular tweets mentioning her are calling her out.
It's not a "small group" that are sick of her bullshit. That's her trying to pretend she isn't fucked.
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Mama Dean victimizing herself after “Bao” (short film about the dumpling) gets nominated for an award.
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Haven't you heard? All Taylor can ever do is talk about herself. When was the last time she considered anyone but herself? She barely mentions her special needs brother or shows compassion or sympathy for others or even her own pets.
If you just watch her videos or read her messages. Even the ones posted by jayce and breeze. It's always "me,me,me" or "I, I, I" with no literal idea of how selfish she sounds.
You're exactly right. I hate comparing the two because Solid Gold is like 12 classes above TND, but her coming back video was very responsible. She didn't talk about herself (not that she can't, it's her channel, but it is nice she kept the focus on the animals) and she admitted that with what was going on she had to rehome some fish. She didn't do anything stupid like replace them with identical ones or try to pretend they never existed, or avoid showing them. She also showed us her reptiles/amphibians in their enclosures, something TND promised to do and never does!
Meanwhile Taylor came "back," hasn't put out any videos, hasn't done her promised livestream, and won't even talk about her animals on twitter because she's too busy at Disney.
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Didn't she already have an all my pets and an announcement filmed?
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Yep, in the text photo on this tweet (text was posted in previous thread). People's responses have also said 3 days.
I wonder why she would only go for two. I thought that even three days was short. Like what a waste of time and money for only two days? Guess that's what it's like when you have a bunch of disposable income and no idea how to handle your money
Taylor, you can claim anxiety all you want but seriously, the way you go about posting about yourself and your personal life online tells me you don't have anxiety. It's just a convenient excuse for you to be lazy or not do something. Being nervous doesn't mean anxiety.
I've never known anyone with anxiety to post themselves practically in lingerie online and take so many selfies to be judged and put themselves out there like this wannabe thot does. So sick of her using the "muh anxiety" card every. single. time. What are you getting anxiety over? WORKING? Doing your job which involves sitting in front of a camera, reading off Google and admiring yourself in the viewfinder? She has some nerve lmao
honestly even if she really has anxiety, if she has this amount of anxiety that it impacts her JOB then she needs a therapist and DBT. i used to have extreme anxiety and when it impacts your life you need to find a way to cope
its not an excuse to do nothing lol. she makes people with anxiety seem lazy
Honestly it probably does stress her out to not get constant praise for each and every thing she does. She has no self worth. She has to get it through the internet.
I'd feel sorry for her if she wasn't such a garbage excuse for a person.
God this! As someone with debilitating anxiety that I have to constantly be working on and practicing coping strategies to manage, it pisses me off seeing someone use it as an excuse not to try. You’re right Taylor, if you fall down, if you fail, if you can’t manage, you pick yourself up and try again…. but you haven’t fallen. You never tried to make the climb at all.
She really shouldn’t be trying to make a youtube career if her anxiety prevents her from having a regular schedule. Like no judgements, I get how hard it is to work on projects with bad anxiety. The projects just don’t get done. But trying to make your living off of something of this nature when you are unable to force yourself to make videos is a mistake. Getting a regular 9-5 job where she isn’t in charge of forcing herself to get things done will improve her anxiety so much tbh.
I think it may of been JC. I don’t have any proof but he made a story yesterday saying “new post coming tonight” and then deleted it after a few. Suddenly Taylor is home and he never made a post. He also never says things like that in the long time I’ve been watching his stories. Taylor refuses to admit any wrong doing with her animals but just imagine the info/proof that JC must have on her about them.
Tinfoiling hard but having dated an abuser like JC, this is the exact kind of stuff they pull when you’re trying to do anything without them.
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Ofc her snakes have been getting fat. She doesn't weigh them and feeds all of them once a week which is way overkill.
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Wow that snake actually does look obese
Isn't there a thing with snakes that if you feed them lots while growing it causes them to grow fast but reduces their lifespan?
Aside from that YIKES he doesn't look healthy.
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Here's a good image. Snakes don't start developing fat on the outside until their nearing "morbidly obese". Most captive snakes can be considered obese. She's probably shaved a solid decade or more off of Maui's life by allowing him to get to this state.
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Pretty much, his tail is way too chunky (it would almost look like he had "hips" around his vent if you looked at it closely), there is no spinal definition, when he's not even in a tight coil there are skin folds (fat). I've seen worse, but he is a very obese ball python for only being two or three years old.
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I don't know what's the higher lie here, her claiming that Mushu is fine (last time we saw her she was not fine and I doubt that changed) or her promise to make a video on it.
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my most recent video got removed yay
“Then it’s time to look up and get yourself out” girl, the fucking irony about your relationship lmfao>>629270
Agreed, whatever you should definitely try to get it appealed as much as you can. This isn’t harassment or bullying. She definitely took the video down, and I agree that if she is this scared of that video going around then she has everything to hide.
I know there are other drama channels that still create content, I hope you can get this fixed.
Maybe it had something to do with the monetization?
I wish I could pretend it's because Taylor is a cashcow for YouTube but…
Senor Ria and yourself should look at reuploading on at least one other site, if not two, just to ensure that people can still watch it elsewhere. I'm sorry about your channel and hope it gets restored.
Thank you but it's ok. It was meant to be a throwaway channel anyway so I'm not crying over it. I sent in an appeal but they've already rejected the one for the newest vid so I'm not holding my breath>>629304
I doubt it had anything to do with the monetization, I've been able to monetize for over a month now. I had even earned like 30 cents on the Jonny Craig vid before I realized that it was monetized and I turned it off.
Sry for blog posting about this
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This is all that I got. I'll investigate to see if I can see who reported it but I really think it's just upset stans.
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I’m surprised this photo hasn’t been posted here. People are speculating it’s track marks but I’m unsure.
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Nah guys, it wasn't Taylor.
This piece of shit asked his followers to mass report What Ever's channel. Pls report his channel for harassment.(USER HAS BEEN PUT OUT TO PASTURE)
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Not to nitpick, but is that Jonny and a manboob? Or Taylor without a bra? Because if it's Taylor then her whole fashionnova body is def a lie. Her boobs are fine, but definitely not the huge size she makes them out to be
Also holy shit that poor fat snake. I have to imagine she has more than one obese snake since she overfeeds them all(nitpick)
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Predictions? last part is ominous…
>except for mice she bites those a lot
Remember a few months ago when herp anons observed that some of her snakes were too thin?
Then she got a trio of mice and was cagey about whether they were desexed.
Now her snakes are overfed to the point of obesity.
Suh a beautiful snake. shame she's going to have such a shortened lifespan because her owner doesn't know shit about proper reptile care.>>629442
I don't think it'll be about Taylor, I feel like he's leaving the band or something. Isn't he doing a solo tour later this year? Plus if Taylor dumped him she would have already been bragging about it to get asspats on Twitter, she knows EVERYONE wants her to dump him and wouldn't be able to resist milking it for sympathy and attention.
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I guess she’s too anxious to go to a petfest pop up in her own state
Yeah sadly I have to say I’m with you anon. I want that to happen but I know it won’t. When they inevitably break up (if he doesn’t die first of liver failure), there’s no way he’d handle it that calmly. It will be a shitstorm when she leaves him.>>629463
I didn’t even consider that, that’s true. He’s such a manipulative POS. I mean she’s manipulative too, but he’s such a baby when he’s away from her. Always begging for attention or making her feel guilty for hanging out with other people..
They were rats… but your point still stands.
Jesus Christ if you’re right, it really adds to her resume of being a horrible person. I mean, breeding feeders isn’t horrible. But deciding to breed feeders and lying to your fans about it under the guise of “I decided to keep these rats because they’re sooo cute uwu” is pretty crappy of her. Explains why she was showing them off for like a week and then we barely saw them again.
this is such a weird fucking comment, why are you nitpicking her breast size>>629414>>629376
all her snakes are giant… seriously how do you manage to overfeed a snake that you don't even have to feed every day?!
For real. The sad part too is her mother will never try to help her on the right path. She will never try to support her in getting away from Jonny, the drugs, the alcohol, anything. The last time she voiced how much she didn’t like Jonny, she was cut out of Taylor’s life almost completely. She’d rather be another yes-man if it means she gets to see her daughter. It saddens me. That’s just how controlling and manipulative Taylor is.
I’m surprised her manlet hasn’t made his “sad announcement” yet. At this point I’m definitely guessing it’s a cry for attention from Taylor and/or their fans.
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Previous pics of Celia
September 2018 around the time she got the rats>>>/snow/681980>>>/snow/688798
I know this is an old pic but it still triggers
me that she holds her snakes like they're fucking rope. support them Taylor! they do in fact have bones and need to grip something rather than dangle 90% of their mass! you claim to be an expert yet you hoarded 20 snakes in one year and still don't know shit about handling them! we've all seen that video where you manipulated the snake like it was just a prop for your social media clout.
Nah, just imitating what she thinks he likes. Hes got her in his pocket, everything she does is to impress him.
>Tattoos>Thot wardrobe>$$$ jewelry>Bitchyness>Drugs>Reckless spending>Crappy sex
He only cares about himself tho.
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Celia in mid-November>>>/pt/598479>>629525
Sabor was noticeably filled-out in November>>>/pt/597080
Yeah there's no way. As much of a mess as she is, he's 1000x worse as it's an integral part of who he is. I still have hope that she could hypothetically turn herself around, sober up, (actually) own up to her mistakes, and make a commitment to being better by rehoming some of her animals and possibly finding a different source of income. he, on the other hand, is a lost cause and is going to drug himself into the grave sooner rather than later. I think he's okay with that too, and is following the "live fast die young" way. Taylor still has some hope. He does not.
Taylor has some hope, that is, if she could just bite the bullet and cut him out of her life. I don't think she can truly get better until that happens.
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Bree made a post about Taylor and stans are already flooding in
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Probably in a confusing order, it goes left to right.
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She’s already trying to damage control
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Why does she act like VR hasn't been saying things about her too, things that completely line up with Bree's story and not at all with Taylor's (why wouldn't she mention "all of us were crying and triggered
" or whatever she texted Jayce about if she's trying to make a sob story?)
Also I'm not really ever one to doubt sexual assault victims but given this and past things she's said, and the fact that she's dating Jonny fucking Craig, her story just reeks of hypocrisy with a healthy helping of homophobia in the way she's phrasing it.
thats from here >>629601
i think its time everyone else that was there speaks up.
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This is as close as Taylor has ever come to admitting she does/has done drugs.
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I'd love to see them all defend each other against whatever bullshit she comes up with for everyone who speaks against her…but very few of them seem mature enough for that. >>629620
this, and to be fair if Taylor were saying shit like that about me I'd probably want to get myself together mentally before going against her. Her stans are brutal.
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I laughed that she started with “I think you guys are missing the point”
Why does she keep saying "addictive personality" like it's a fucking disease? Having a junkie bf around isn't triggering
for your "addictive personality"? Just say you abuse(d) drugs and go.
wait is she implying she knew from the start that she didn't want bree there because of drugs?
Like, I don't understand if you want to be nice to someone why you would pay for a trip you didn't want them coming on, say you don't want to do drugs but supply the drugs anyway?
Jonny is not fucking clean, even if he ''''was'''' he's still vapping and doing weed, what universe does this make sense in?
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posting this here because these tweets will be deleted I can see it
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Inbetween these two events something went down.
>Taylor spills hot Pho on herself and burns herself>Drunk Bree gets a washcloth and rubs burns>Taylor gets uncomfortable with Drunk Bree and sends her away
Bree is Bisexual so its possible she may have been drunk flirty and touchy.
looking at the rest of this tweets (for 629655 these tweets are from taylor)
WHO THE FUCK IS SHE TALKING TO??? flushed coke so she couldn't get it? so Taylor did bring fucking coke?
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Not sure if you were going to post the last one anon but this tweet has 3 photos.
I'm so confused on what she's trying to say with all of this? I thought it was only just their group involved in all of this how is the hotel suddenly involved?
I thought the hospital ones were faked and the Gucci's death ones were someone pretending to be VR in a previous thread? IIRC.>>629656
I mean, it could have been drunk flirting, but it sort of comes of to me as her playing the ~innocent straight girl~ as part of her victim complex. We already know Taylor is biphobic from past tweets.
Has anyone but Bree confirmed how drugs actually got to the hotel room? Can't imagine Taylor's fans would react well to hearing Taylor brought them.
Twitter holds onto your account for 30 days before deleting it forever.
The original assumption was Taylor was going to scrub her account but realised letting twitter take the whole thing down was faster and more efficient.
Tbh it doesn’t even matter really, it has nothing to do with her animal care. It smells so much like bullshit that defends herself by saying all of this about Bree and drugs instead of just showing her cages.
I don’t care what happened on that trip. I want to know how her animals are doing.
The once she showed since her hiatus are clearly obese, which is animal abuse too.
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Retweeted by Taylor. Confirms that it was Taylor who brought the coke
See that's what I'm really confused about. Hes supposedly getting clean so wouldnt he talk about cravings and confide in Taylor about such things? That doesnt trigger
her, but Bree talking about cravings does? Sounds fishy to me how she can have such an "addictive personality" yet be around a literal addict 24/7
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lmao does this person think this makes Taylor look good?
She confirmed Taylor brought drugs. If Taylor got caught this would have been a riot.
"But officer, somebody asked me to bring drugs, clearly it's their fault for enabling my ~addictive personality~!"
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Saying they both partook
"I owned up to my mistake immediately to my friend group"
But you still managed to mislead all of your followers.
I always think TayTay can't possibly get worse, I thought killing six~ animals in a month was the worst that she could do, but this is close to taking the cake.
Bree was open and honest but gets penalised for it, but TayTay can spout bullshit that could ruin her entire life as these allegations often do and get off scot-free.>>629713
Thank you for trying to clear this up as soon as possible, and I'm sorry you're being harassed over such vile allegations. I wish I had the words to describe how appalled I am.
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It correlates because you give zero fucks about sexual assault until you can spin it to make yourself a victim
I wish I could come up with a substantial response, but all I can say is what the fuck. It's like she saw you as an easy excuse because you're bisexual and was just waiting to throw you under the bus. These types of allegations can destroy lives, and yet to protect her perfect image she's willing to do that to you.
Her friends rambled on about how she could kill herself after genuine concerns were raised about her husbandry, but I doubt they even considered the risks that come with their words.
Please keep yourself safe Bree.
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"didn't know how to cut a line of coke"
Taylor's and her defenders have been going on the whole time "IT'S BREES FAULT, BREES THE ADDICT"
If bree's so addicted that she begged Taylor to bring/give her coke as they claim, it's amazing she suddenly doesn't know how it fucking works and Taylor had to show her while simultaneously giving her the names of rehab places.
It's pretty disgusting that the group on this trip saw Taylor as 'poor girl with an addictive personality' but then viewed Bree as 'annoying worthless junkie'. Like sorry, but if Bree really was talking about her cravings, then why not be compassionate like they were with Taylor? This REEKS of favoritism towards Taylor for obvious reasons. I do believe they threw Bree under the bus at Taylor's request/lies to protect her image.
Like what a load of bullshit. Taylor lives with an addict who has a baggy of kratom in every pic, yet that doesn't upset or trigger
her 'addictive personality'? She really can't own up to any mistake of hers. It was someone else who "manipulated" her into bringing drugs, doing drugs, etc. Taylor you're an adult, you can say NO. No one can force you to do anything, you made those choices yourself.
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Thank you for deleting your replies.
I think one or two so far have publicly said something, everyone else apparently has to hide behind Taylor and have her post their "SHE DIDN'T DO IT"
Why anyone would want to feed of her now is fucking beyond me.
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Here she says that people telling others to kill themselves basically isnt a big deal and its just an excuse because its dirceted at bree. But when bree worked with what ever it was such intense bullying outing her bs that maddie had to make a video besically saying taylor is threatening suicide. So gotta make sure tnd doesnt get bullied but everyone else MUST have thick skin towards this shit
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Especially now that Jonny is probably on his way home now…
Taylor: we're clean no one has proof
Top kek at the comments, "But Jonny was doing so well!"
Who wants to update his Wikipedia entry?
I love that instead of putting “we’ve parted ways” they’ve put that he’s been removed.
He can go on and on about how he chose to leave the band but he clearly didn’t
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Yup tooootally his choice not to tour eye roll
We know JC consistently prioritizes his “health”
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So first its I don't do drugs
Then were both clean
Then I was forced to relapse
Then I don't do drugs
Now they're both in a program for drugs
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For the first time in his life huh
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How is she gonna cover this.
wow. hearing this from a person who knows them in RL is actually insane. He also has no reasons to lie.
drug addicts hoarding animals. Thats what they are.
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A bigger resolution, sorry anon yours was a bit difficult to read in places
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Taylor: he chose to leave his band for rehab, im so proud of him ^u^
Gotta love how she leaves out he did it in the most horrible way possible.
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God I hope they air out the dirty laundry if Taylor and Johnny try to make themselves out to be troubled saints.
what a day, the milk is flowing! this is why taylor tried to make bree look bad, she's getting out in front of the true story, which is that SHE is the enabler to jonny. TND can't bear to look bad or take any responsibility for her shitty life or shitty care at all.
i hope every pettuber defending her today gets this tweet shoved her in their hypocritical faces, srsly this is insane. i never expected this to come out.
I agree. I'd even donate a few dollars to help with the monetary side of things. Accusing someone of sexual assault is fucked up.
Some anons believe Taylor about the sexual assault allegations, but if you look at how much her stories changed (first called it sexual assault, then advances for example) and how she has most likely been high all evening you'd realize that she just came up with this shit because she knew it would undeniably make her the victim.
Funny how she get to people’s throats so violently (sending hundreds of her stans, accusing someone of SEXUAL ASSAULT, getting the whole team to hate someone, that’s always all or nothing), but then when it’s her being attacked she acts like a deer looking at a car’s lights. She can’t get her shit together and mumble excuses as they come, contradicting herself more and more. Let’s bet she won’t address anything. Or even go into hiding.
Bree instantly said she’d do a livestream in order to clarify stuff, when we saw nothing from princess TND. IMO she would have really made her livestream long ago had she nothing to hide. I mean, she might be sick and weak all she wants, but it’s her career, her whole reputation, and damage control needs to be made. If everything that is being said is true she’d need to face the law, and you can’t not defend yourself when people are accusing you of such things and you are innocent. She clearly has stuff to hide.
Bree, I really hope you can retrieve stuff in some way. If everything you said is true, you should threaten her going to court. She’s bullying and diffamating, you have proof she sent people to get to you, and she has none backing her own story. The thing she said is not something you put on social media, that’s so fucked up and could ruin your life.
She can't even blame haters for this, Jonny was the one who relapsed and the band called her out for enabling it.
If she tries to and I mean, she will, god it's going to be amazing to watch.
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Lmaooo you go Chelsea, like she said - karma is a bitch.
I love how she says she has an “aDdIcTiVe pErSonAliTy” over and over and gets so triggered
by other users… but is dating a known drug abuser?? And she’s so sensitive and is such a ~victim~ of full on sexual assault… but yet is dating someone who has literally raped other women?? The fucking irony and hypocrisy is just too good. Well done, Taylor.>>629860
I didn’t even think about that, now that he’s been kicked he’ll probably only make money from the songs he’s been in right? Other than that he just lost his biggest source of income, the tours… now she really is going to have to take care of her 50 hoarded animals and her baby manlet all off her slowly dying income
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Did you block them or did they block you? That might
matter (but probably not.)
wait, is taylor actually saying she was doing heroine?
I've been reading her threads for over a year now and never bought in that she was using because it was always speculation and alleged texts. This is wild.
Have any of Taylor's cronies corroborated that Bree was being inappropriate/touching her/lying on top of her? If they can't explicitly confirm that it was clearly unwanted sexual
contact, and not just rubbing her hand with a cool cloth after Taylor burned it (whether or not Taylor wanted that, that is into way sexual assault,) I think Taylor is blowing this one detail out of proportion. I believe Bree when she says she lied on the bed next to her but was not sexually assaulting her. Of course, if anyone else who was in the room could make a statement saying otherwise, I would be much more inclined to believe Taylor. Right now it's a "she said, she said" and Taylor has a lot more to gain from exaggerating to make herself the victim with all the sht she's having to deny right now
Not that I believe TND, but we now know that Breez should be able to access her dms with her:>>629916
And lying next to someone rubbing them can certainly be sexual. TND is a liar but Breez's story isn't adding up either for me.
Because she’s the boy who cried wolf. She’s lied about so much shit that it’s a laughable idea to believe her. The biggest reason she isn’t credible to me is because her boyfriend has raped women. She’s even acknowledged this, she knows. And she even continued to make fun of his exes that he’s taken advantage of together. This is not the first time when someone has done her “wrong”, she conveniently brings up a sexual assault story. She doesn’t say it because it’s genuine, she says it because it helps deflect against criticism. Her stans eat it up and will blindly defend her even more when she brings up that she’s been sexually assaulted.
So that’s why nobody is taking her claim seriously. She is a proven liar. Fuck her, she’s lied too many times for me to even remotely believe her. She can’t even bother to keep the lie straight.
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but, since her boyfriend raped women she isnt capable of being assaulted or harassed???? not adding up to me. unwanted touching is unwanted touching, not a crying wolf >>629921
things arent adding up on her side either and she should be able to recover dms so why isnt she? esp if ther is more than 1 person saying it happened
"She enabled Taylor to bring drugs on the trip" Taylor brought the drugs by herself, she wasn't with Bree before the trip. Bree confirmed she would join Taylor in using the drugs but again let's not pretend Taylor is an innocent child who has no free will of her own and was forced to buy drugs and smuggle them in her wig just because another addicted person told her to. Stop putting all the responsibility of Bree here. At most, they're equally guilty here, but only one person bought and brought the drugs, and it was Taylor.
I can't speak to the claims about her touching her and saying she was horny. I'm just surprised that no one has shown that they mentioned it in any of their private conversations about the trip, because that would be undeniable proof that creepy shit was going on at the time, so someone should step forward with screenshots confirming there was sexual misconduct going on. as far as we've seen everyone was only discussing the drugs and never mentioned any inappropriate touching as another reason why Bree was at fault. IDK. I feel like that would have been reason #1 to boot her if it was going on since that would be undeniable on Bree and not Taylor's fault at all (unlike her providing coke), and no one has any proof that they knew about it at the time, despite all the proof they're providing about drug involvement
ofc it can happen, we're just saying that it doesn't seem likely that it happened from bree with everything going on.
bree said she would be doing a livestream later today on the situation, but i think she went to sleep since she had been up all night.
A woman dating a rapist is capable of being sexually assaulted, yes. The point is we believe she is lying about it. Why would she be so sensitive about sexual assault and then date a man who has LITERALLY RAPED people?? It doesn’t add up. She acts sentitive so people feel more bad for her and in hopes that people will stop attacking her.
You can’t be against sexual assault and simultaneously be a rape apologist and make fun of his victims, who suffered sexual assault from him and more.
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Re: Taylor. Looks like everyone on the band/music side has been aware of how toxic and enabling Taylor has been for Jonny.
I absolutely hope he does too. I know he didn’t want to “air dirty laundry” about them but if she’s going to start spilling lies about him, I hope he starts spilling the truth in response.
I was also just going to say before she posted this, it’s interesting how this band mate came out saying she enables him. For him to give those kinds of details instead of leaving the statement as-is shows that he really put up with a lot of shit from him before booting him out. Jonny wants to make it seems all fresh roses and that he “chose” to step down. No bitch, you got kicked because they’ve put up with you too long.>>629912
I have a feeling that this is true, anon. She used to follow Jonny’s side during tour. She suddenly stopped, and she knows damn well he uses and drinks and cheats when he’s away, so why would she have stopped following him? I bet you this is why she’s pissed at this band mate. It’s very possible he made Jonny tell Taylor to stay home, so she’s had something against him for a while.
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This is just way too good.
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Confirmed opioid use
>>629953I'm the gal she's replying too
What is interesting is the band as a whole confirmed he was removed because of drug use. He picked drugs over touring.
But she says it's because he wanted to get clean??????
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“The rewired soul” (mental health you tuber/recovered addict) might have a vid on her
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confirmed that she took a break from youtube so she could go on a month and a half long bender
Nah bitch hold on. You cannot make the band look like assholes for “not knowing how to handle an addict” and give them shit for having alcohol while on tour when you yourself enable him as well by buying gigantic bags of kratom, as well as buying weed and… alcohol.
You don’t know how to handle an addict because you’re an addict yourself. You claim to be sober when it’s clear you’ve never been. You’re a liar lmao.
I was just thinking the same thing! How are they enablers and don't understand addiction but she's somehow Mother Teresa? So much bullsht getting peddled rn, unreal. She's either got balls of steel or is too stupid to know just how bad she sounds.
Those animals haven't been cared for, ever. Period.
Funny how she even said on Twitter she’d let him speak for himself. What happened to that? She probably knows it’s best for him not to speak because through drama in the past, whenever he gets involved he would get super aggressive online. He can’t have a conversation with people, he just gets angry and tries to push/shut them down.>>629984
Exactly! She can’t blame the band mates for doing something THEY aware strong enough to handle. If Jonny’s going to be such a baby about it, he should have actually stepped down a long time ago and left since he isn’t strong enough. If all these dumbasses really believed that she’s taking care of all of her 50 pets, I hope this is enough to make them realize otherwise. If you can’t even take care of yourself without being dependent on drugs, how the fuck do you expect to properly care for and nurture 50 other living things?? She is nuts, idk if she is stupid by saying all these things thinking it makes her look good, or if she really believes it.
Or she is on the drugs as we speak, high out of her mind. Let’s not forget she said “Bree didn’t even know how to cut a line of coke” like what the fuck sis LOL
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She's deleting the tweets. I saw this one as i hadn't refreshed her page yet, someone replied to the tweet how can they build each other up but still have both relapsed lol. Exactly
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"I love him, the last thing I would do would be enable him" people enable addicts because
they love them, and don't want to get cut off from them when they go back to their drugs if the addict thinks they're against them. also, you're addicted too, I don't trust that you'd be able to clearly say "no don't do drugs" when you're in the middle of an active addiction too.
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I wanna know how he knows about dead animals. I wanna see screenshots of Jonny telling Colin animals have died. I think that would put the final nail in the coffin of her career.
at the same time, this is so sad. Her animals are dying because she hoarded 50+ of them and then got high for a month and a half and left them all to die slowly in their enclosures
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Time to go to CleanSlate, anon.
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Post the screenshots I need milk
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>>630017>you went home from Disney because of withdrawls
Taylor's entire world is burning to the ground. This is glorious to witness.
>>630023>Her animals are dying because she hoarded 50+ of them and then got high for a month and a half and left them all to die slowly in their enclosures
I don't fucking doubt this was what happened if even one of them has died in the time she's been shooting up with Johnny. If she can't even go drug free for two days with her family then she must have been using heavily.>>630031
Oh shit Mama Dean doesn't know her precious daughter is a druggie? Well she does now!
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She is STILL playing the victim. This is just insane.
So she thinks her mom cant help her, but Taylor thinks she can help Jonny??
Is she a 15 year old girl in a wattpad story..
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>Going to sit back and let the drama happen
>Still replying and playing the victim
Never change, Taylor.
wooooooooooooo it's fucking pouring out here
i'm frigging giddy as hell. please keep responding and picking fights, taylor. please, keep it up. this is some crazy shit right here.
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Neither of them are going to get clean from this. She said they're not doing impatient and instead going for this blocker that's just supposed to magically get them over drug addiction in 30 days??
The fact that they're doing this TOGETHER means it'll do fuck all.
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Taylor is in deep shit i guess
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Oh, it's on now!
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They don’t want to get clean, that’s the thing. Chelsea has confirmed that Jonny has gotten into programs multiple times but has never completed them.
He had this Skype therapist or some shit, as well as getting into programs more than once while living with Taylor. If they wanted to be clean they wouldn’t even be in a relationship to begin with.
But Taylor keeps deluding herself into thinking she can have this soft uwu approach to everything.
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2/2 Here's a bigger version of the text conversation.>>630056>>630058
It's gone. >>630063
Anything to play victim.
Hold on> he got you hooked
Wouldn’t this basically confirm Chelsea’s texts aren’t fake like she claimed? Oh my God she keeps incriminating herself.
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Taylor fans continue to be delusional
She wanted this lifestyle. Maybe not now, but she definitely wanted it going into the relationship. She said before knowing Jonny she struggled with addiction (unsure to what). So she should have known she needs to stay far the fuck away from that strong shit, right? Right. Well she didn’t. She wanted this. And now she’s left trying to blindly fight everybody against her and Jonny. The most toxic, disgusting couple I’ve ever seen. This is why she won’t leave him; they enable each other and she WANTS this.
I’m so glad she is being called out left and right and being exposed for the addict she is. I was getting so tired of her “we’re so sober~” campaign. She made it sound like it was only alcohol for her in the beginning. Now we have proof, she has ADMITTED she uses this shit. All along, all these anons saying she’s using and shooting up, only to be called crazy and nitpicky by so many people… look who’s laughing now, Taylor. You’re a terrible person, and this is just karma.
Bet she’s gonna delete everything now, or disappear for another month, or she’s just getting caught up with this thread. We all know she lurks here. Idk how she could disappear for a month again, her money will NOT sustain her having to support the both of them forever. She was declining slowly but now she’s just rolling down a hill
"Everybody makes mistakes!"
Aka, we can't turn our backs on those who gives us lots of views.
Holy fucking shit things have gone absolutely mental in this thread. Here's hoping they spill the beans on her pets.>>630086
It's slightly hilarious to me that he did this before a tour date in Bristol, which is easily the druggiest city in the UK, and a place where you could ask a random person on the street where to get heroine and they'd probably be able to hook you up.
She’s actually insane. She tried to blame so much on the band and then says “what is this?!” When they came back at her.
Also. In her first tweets about Jonny leaving the tour she says she asked him not to go because SHE FEARED he would relapse, and that the band was just guessing. So, then by saying they are using she is essentially confirming that tweet was a lie? It would be cool if one of the anons compiling things could put some of her lies next to tweets where she outs/contradicts herself
I'm putting my bets on her taking another 'vacation' filled with false promises of coming back, pet tours, etc but it'll be just as big a load of shit as it was this time.
I hope she proves us all wrong and dumps Johnny and cleans herself up.
All her “friends” have fallen silent. They aren’t going to defend her in this. At the most they’ll probably just say “shame on you you’re all bullies to Taylor waahhh!!”
Taylor truly is delusional. She can’t keep this up anymore. The act is over. It’s her and Jonny vs everyone else. She acts like drama just “happens” or seems to somehow find its way to her. No moron, YOU are he drama. You are the reason it happens. Literally every single person that know me either Taylor or Jonny (minus her fake perfect crew) is against her. With receipts. She has done so many people wrong. And it’s all coming back on her now
While this whole incident is hilarious and well-deserves, the only part that is now making me sick to my stomach is thinking about how badly her animals are suffering… and how many are dead already.
I could see her taking another long break in hopes the drama will die down. She’s not bright so that’s the only viable option she has right now.
I also don’t think her relationship will last any longer. Jonny’s income has been obliterated. Jayce mentioned he pays the rent of the apartment, so she can kiss those $2000 goodbye.
He’s going to be fully dependent on her now, more than he was before.
They’ll probably drop her from the event if she doesn’t get her act together when it comes near.>>630105
What a hypocritical moment that was. She had the audacity to go after him, delete the tweets then go “what is this, I don’t understand Collin” when he actually had the balls to stand up for himself and his band.>>630106
She’ll probably leave again. There’s no recovering from this like she has before. She HAS to change. I hope she does dump him and clean up.
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She dug her own grave. She got with a notoriously belligerent, addicted, abusive rapist after multiple warnings. She claims to want to get better but stays with someone that has "tried" and failed to get clean a dozen times. Her mother is still around and I'm sure would take her back in if she just sobbed over the phone "mom I need your help". All she has to do is pack a bag and leave while Jonny's passed out, I really don't think she's as helpless as she and her stans are making her out to be.
Jonny doesn't want to get clean and neither does she.
Does anyone know if she had drug problems before getting with him?
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The only two people with those animals are abusive, hoarding monsters. We will not be getting proof anyone is alive anytime soon, if ever.
Before these poor animals suffer even more she needs to rehome them ASAP. It sucks for shelters to have so many dumped on them at a time but she needs to get them somewhere where they are better off. She’s full blown addicted and needs to not even think that she can handle taking care of anyone, let alone herself. Maybe her “assistants” are barely keeping everyone alive.
She probably doesn't even know what an Ackie is. She knows next to nothing about her reptiles and just tries to get the "biggest and baddest" reptiles to show off and make herself seem amazing to people that don't know any better, she has all of these crazy animals, she's not like other girls!!11!1!!
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Having her dead fish made into jewelry will be sooo healing
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Twitter is a war zone filled with toxic conversations AKA I totally fucked up and I’m trying to cover my ass without you little ones knowing.
As though Cheese has been anything but a smear in a garbage can for months now. Sorry to be graphic but lbr about this shit once and for all. She does not care about any of these animals and you can hear it in her voice. She sounds like she's on the phone with a bill collector.
To be fair, it's tough to care about anything when you're stoned off your tits, but she chose smack over her pets. Someone or something always suffers when people choose to be junkies.
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Clearly Jonny and Taylor are watching the livestream too. Why would Jonny be following her if she “hurt Taylor so badly”?
what was the point of her sharing this? all she did is expose herself, what a retard. >>630179
hmm that's weird then. i figured maybe instagram changed that recently because the messages between my ex and i are quite old but i just asked my bf to temporarily block me this morning so i could see if his messages were still there and they were. maybe i needed to refresh it or reopen the app first. >>630193
she was JUST exposed for lying and yet she CONTINUES to do it? the nerve. why is it so hard for her to own up to her shit? there's no shame in being honest and it's way more respectable than making up all these bullshit excuses. i know her stans are retarded but this is almost insulting.
>>630198>which is needed if she wants any meaningful conclusion from necropsy
biofag here; Yes and no. Unless you can freeze something instantly, i.e. with liquid nitrogen, the water inside the cells form sharp crystals and burst them, yes. It's not true that freezing as a whole is a no-no, the method is very important. Taylor doesn't have access to the correct technology, but she also has no other way to store the fish. Freezing a specimen would be preferable to allowing it to decompose. Letting it thaw and re-freezing it is an absolute no go though. Additionally cellular structure isn't necessarily important in finding a cause of death. You could still find toxic levels of drugs or a tumour or mass. These would be degraded by allowing decomposition.
Beyond finding something obvious like this, necropsies rarely yield results. At the end of the day it's an animal, not a human. The investigation isn't very thorough.
I'm worried he's either going to try to hurt her, or try to kill himself. It would solve a lot of her problems if he offed himself now though. And she should not pack a bag and run to her mom's and leave him alone in the apartment with all her animals, I can just see him going on a rampage and killing all of them to get revenge on her for leaving him.>>630200
please please please record it for those of us who can't watch/don't have instagram!
She wants to divert attention to cheeeeeeeeeeeessssssssseeeeeeee.
I also think she's high.
THANK YOU. I wondered if I was reading too far into it, but is she REALLY trying this "gay panic" """defence""" shit? Really? I get she's from the Bible Belt, but REALLY BITCH?
Cold cloth on burns…is not sexual assault. Her story isn't REMOTELY true. We KNOW she has mocked Jonny's victims on Twitter and to their face IRL. She thinks she can just lie about assault and then act like she hates rapists? Fuck off cunt, you're dating one and side with him.
I have 0 sympathy and empathy left for her. She went waaaaaaaaaaay over the line.
She’s not going into rehab today at least. They’re probably having one last binge before “committing”.
If last time was the best time for people to come forward with info about her animal care, now it’s the best time to come forward about her drug abuse as well as everything she’s lied about.
what I want to know is why they don't get on bupe? If they're addicted to needles as well they can still IV it until they're ready to take them sublingually… that's why it's such a good harm reduction med. I guess they're getting the viv shot because they don't trust themselves not to use. How can they build each other up if they can't stop the other from IVing ops? It's so transparent. This isn't going to stop Johnny from using. You can break through vivitrol, it has a threshold. Swear to god, she's going to end up just like his exes and she's barrelling towards it like a speeding freight train.
They NEED to move out though. They cannot stay in the same house while they're doing this. When you go into opiate rehab they make you bring someone clean who will call the doctor or cops if they see you high. They're not doing that. They're going to continue to live together.
They should break up for their own good, but they won't. You cannot get better with other addicts all up in your space, Taylor. Especially not the addict who hooked you. I'd reach out to help her but she's fucking vile. Addict couples have it as part of their identity, they romanticize it. You can bet your ass they will leave one another if either one gets clean.
If I'm hearing you right; look, everyone makes mistakes. The best thing is to learn from them and to try not to repeat them. Anything that he would say about you would be seen as so much bs anyhow, don't let it get you down.
As an aside, Bree confirmed that Taylor reads here all day, every day, in case anyone was interested.
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Even if she dumps johnny and gets clean we all know she'll find a way to victimize herself. The animal hoarding isn't gonna end she's into deep now.
In a perfect world what she needs to do>Dump jonny>Get sober>Excersise and eat healthier (99% of her health problems imo)>Rehome some Animals (keep less that 10)>Buy a house>Take out her lip injections
Whoooo finally caught up to everything
Taylor's such an idiot. She should never have said anything about Bree in the first place and stayed quiet about Jonny's whole situation.
I know this is really irrelevant to everything else going on but >>629874
Ghost looks fat af. Could just be the fluff but hoo boy. Guess it's hard to keep your pets at a good weight when you're high all the time.
Taylor: "I'll go live to prove all these accusations about my poor animal care are false" doesnt go live and then disappears for two months so she can go on a drug binge
Bree: "I'll go live to prove these accusations are false, and I'll post DMs too"Goes live same day and is posting DMs later tonight (hopefully)
Maybe Nemo's got better genes or gets bullied around the food cause he looks like he's at a healthy weight, at 8 seconds in >>629874
you can see his waist tucks in and the widening where his ribs are.
I wonder if she even feeds them wet food at all? It would probably be too difficult for her to keep track of.
dry food would be easier for her especially when she's obviously a lazy person. all she has to do is pour the food on the bowl and leave it until she sees it empty again.
just thinking about what she's lazily doing to her animals and the thought of her pets in a tube with no sunlight makes me angry and sad at the same time
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Notice how she doesn't deny that Gucci ate Gus. First she says that she didn't eat one of the rats and then says that Gus died 6 months or a year ago.
Well… he’s a bit fat but not that much for a ragdoll. They are known to have a « belt » of fat. Imo it’s mainly the breed, but he seems a little big it’s true. Had it been a feral/normal cat then yeah, he’s be really fat.
I own one and weight management is different from others, you can’t feed them along with others in a « suit yourself » bowl.
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Can't believe all this new milk. And the image of Taylor losing her mind over shrooms growing in her satanic leaf tailed geckos tank makes me laugh my ass off. How do you manage to have a shroom infestation in one of your vivs? How do you let it get so bad it carpets the entire floor of the tank? Good god.
My sister's got a ragdoll and he doesn't have what you're talking about. He's been free fed his whole life too.
It can just come down to individuals though.
I know some lines of ragdolls are more linear than others, maybe it’s her case ? If you google ragdoll you’ll see what I am talking about.
As for free feeding, well… blog posting here but I did too, in a slow feeder until i got another one. They need special food as they are VERY prone to bladder stones, and there can’t be in a competition for food (aka one bowl for all) as they can go into « bulimia » mode eating as much as they can.
But that’s just the breed tendency, all cats are different. Maybe he’s meant to be linear and is just morbidly fat.
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Her dad replied to therockartist but deleted it so fast. Was able to screenshot before he did.
Re: sexual assault accusations. There's no way of knowing what's actually true. It's not like liars can't be abused. It's not like both sides won't defend their positions.
BUT, of the very small percentage of false accusations that do occur (about 5-10%, same as for most crimes), the vast majority of them are made by teens, parents of teens, and people who are known to be chronic liars. Research has been done on this. It's just a bunch of people like to ignore it for the sake of their agendas.
Taylor is a chronic liar and drug addict. Doesn't mean Bree didn't do something she shouldn't have, but it DOES mean Taylor's personality and typical behavior line up with the personality and typical behavior of your classic false accuser.
@Bree, if you have proof that Taylor's lying, you should share it, and you should probably sue her for defamation. This isn't 2003. Cases like these ARE taken seriously.
OTOH, if you don't have proof, say your piece and be done with it. The longer she drags you into her version of events, the longer she controls you and gets to hide behind you.
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That's the thing, Bree doesnt have any proof bc it's her word vs. Taylor and her minions and we all know they follow along with whatever Taylor says. And Bree said there was no mention of this sexual assault thing by anyone until today.
I just dont know what to believe.
Thread anon here, your request has been noted.>>630319
I'll do it. If I can figure out how to do it, that is.
People's belief (one way or another) isn't justice, no matter who's telling the truth. We should honestly drop it for that reason alone.
There's plenty else to focus on that has lots of evidence behind it.
bree's version of the story has never changed tho, while taylor's has quite a bit. the sexual assault accusation coming up today while the incident happened so long ago and has been discussed by taylor herself before, is just sketchy.
I also agree with this anon >>630336
While I agree that at this point it's he said she said and that we'll probably never get the whole story, let alone the truth, we shouldn't really drop this either.
Springing a sexual assault accusation in this day and age is taken way more seriously than before, and Taylor has been notorious for her lack of support and blatant mockery of rape and sexual assault victims, which makes her a hypocrite, on top of being a liar.
Her story is constantly changing, and the people who supposedly saw everything going down are vague at best. Not to mention that she's called Amanda, Chelsea, and Liz liars, and laughed at them, yet expects sympathy for the same thing she made fun of them for.
I think that this is just something to keep in mind, especially when Taylor gets called out about Jonny's exes and tries to justify his abuse or says they're lying.
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She’s acting like everything’s normal.
None of this helps anyone determine the truth. The court of public opinion is not where justice is served. It's where mobs and idiocy are born.
There's a good chance Taylor is lying because she is a liar and the timing of these allegations is super convenient. Again, classic false accuser characteristics. But there's also a non-zero chance she isn't lying about this, and no timing is perfect.
It's fine to say she's a chronic liar, a hypocrite, biphobic, neglects her animals, etc. These are all true statements for which there's evidence. But we can't know the truth about this one situation, and it's wrong to say otherwise.
It does abuse victims no favors when we speculate based on our gut feelings. This isn't pick your favorite sports team. Accusations should be taken seriously AND people should be truly innocent until proven
guilty. The two can happen at the same time, but only if people keep their fucking mouths shut about shit they weren't around to see.
this is ridiculous they really expect those two to quit opiates cold turkey for 10 days for a fucking vivitrol shot while in an outpatient treatment program? It's hardly going to do anything for cravings.
If they make it long enough to get they shot. this is what's going to happen:
-get craving for heroin
-use heroin to satiate craving
-not get high because vivtrol blocks the effects
-use more heroin
-rinse and repeat
I don't know how long Taylor has been using for but at this point Johnny probably needs methadone if he stands any chance of quitting.
I agree she thinks its a magic bullet. There's evidence to suggest heroin and hard drugs rewirie the way the brain works and no pill or shot is gonna change that.
It would take years to get him back to normal if that's even possible. he's not gonna change that's just who he is now
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Yeah ok Taylor
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Wow. Taylor's dad is not helping her any.
I thought this was the Shay thread for a sec lol>>630376
she lied for over a year about the heroin. when we say "I told you so" it's not that we're happy she's "relapsed", it's that she's lied through her teeth for months about her drug abuse, ridiculed people who brought it up with solid evidence, and has been finally caught out admitting to it herself
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Upsetting how things have changed in order for mama dean to keep her daughter.
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If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen
“TND IS INNOCENT”
*actual drug abuse evidence comes out”
Not substaintial I’ve covered both sides… don’t wanna talk about it
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Oh my gaaawd. She really is THAT sheltered.
Taylor, girl, this isn't your own personal disney movie this is the real world.
She's so desperate to have that "I changed him!" "Look at me!" when in reality all he cares about is the drugs she pays for, the apartment he lives in and his fleeting sensations of pleasure.
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Oh wow I hadn't noticed that she's been bleeding insta followers for a long time.
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I mean, how many times has she said this and it's been the complete opposite? There's a point where you have to stop and really think if everybody around you is out to get you, or maybe, just maybe, you're the problem. She's supposedly working on her mental health and progress yet it's been confirmed she's been on a binge. She admitted she relapsed just hours ago.
Since she's pretty much reading this thread: You cannot coddle yourself out of addiction. This glorified version of self-care and recovery you have is destructive, and by refusing to actually own any responsibility in your own wrongdoings, you're setting your progress back.
You deleted the only evidence to show you were innocent.
You were called retarted because you failed to see you were enabling Jonnys behaviour.
You never actually took the time to deal with it? You spent the whole month shooting up as said by the band.
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Please PLEASE DO IT
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In the comments she is letting her young fans think that the health issues she is dealing with are her EDS, migraines, and anxiety.
If her physical pain is a factor in her choosing to use heroin, she needs to address her health issues.
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This is a flat-out lie. she says she's been "working on her health and making such great progress in her programs and treatments" while she's been offline, but in this post >>629979
she admits that for the past month and a half she's been struggling with heroin addiction and has only recently started talking to a doctor to discuss possible treatments that she hasn't started yet in >>629966
so how are we supposed to believe anything that comes out of her mouth?
To be extremely wealthy and to have a house in Tahiti.
jfc. we've heard all these many times before. this just screams "YOU DID THIS TO MEEE. hurt ME. make fun of ME. ME. ME. ME" yet she's always posting things that are harmful towards other people and even shame them but I guess that's nothing unless it's about HER. Also, 90% of these things are easily fixed if she was actually an adult and cleared things up to people in a matter that's professional and clear. She could easily dismiss things by going live RIGHT AWAY (just like Bree did). but nope. we're hurting HER and we're bullying HER and now SHE can't function and SHE has to deactivate social media and get "systems" to delete comments for HER.
she's so fucking greedy and full of herself that it's irritating the hell outta me.
but i can't seem to keep my eyes off this thread because it's funny as hell watching her self destruct with her own ways. Karma is real and it's starting to creep up on her. good.
ty anon no clue why I couldn't see it.
as for the anon who thinks this is theatrical, the tweet is two hours old, I doubt he's going to say anything. Colin dropped bombs right out the gate.
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Not sure if this is OT to post but the wooden teeth thing got me
because she's an addict. a liar. a manipulative 21 year old. she buys animals nonstop to get views that we only see once and they're gone forever. she gives wrong information. she's dating a druggie boyfriend that raped and assaulted his exs.
and ALL of her stans are under 17 years old. imagine your own child watching and following her everyday? knowing that she does drugs and makes fun of people? she's that friend of your kid that you never want them to hang out with because they're bad influences.
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But you said you had something that deletes certain subjects for you?
so glad she can't follow through on anything because good lord the last thing those of us with EDS need is Taylor making shit videos about how she uses her mild EDS as an excuse not to do anything ever, and as a cover for her drug addiction.>>630447
I wish the others there would actually come forward about this. Until then, it comes down to who you believe but we can't say for sure.
Either way it really doesn't matter though. The best case scenario for Taylor is that she isn't lying about Bree but is still a hypocrite who mocks rape victims whenever they're someone other than her. The worst is that she not only mocks rape victims but also makes false accusations. Both are pretty damn shitty.
We don't want to destroy her. Most people here seem to be ex-fans who were worried about her animals when she started to go downhill, and still are. We're also concerned about the fate of animals people get because they follow TND's (bad) examples in her videos
But at some point I think we on here have been following her so long and being exasperated for so long at the way she treats her pets and her fans that, it's not that we're actively wrecking her, but there's a certain satisfaction in watching her crash and burn all on her own.
Personally, what I really want is for this to be a wake up call, she can kick Jonny out, ACTUALLY work on her health, and care for her animals properly. I'd rather see her back in a year, drug and Jonny free, making videos about well cared for pets. But if she's not going to do that, then I at least hope she loses her platform and her animals get better homes.
yep, medication helps but there also needs to be lifestyle and behavioral changes. Too much work for Taylor who can't even fill a water dish. she doesn't need to do that though because she's not an addict she just has an addictive personality.>>630370
I love this tinfoil
If Bree was sexually inappropriate with Taylor, that’s something Bree needs to work on, change about herself, and make amends for if possible.
It doesn’t make Taylor less of a liar about anything else, doesn’t change the fact that she’s been using heroin for a year and lying about it, doesn’t change the fact that she is likely to be too impaired to care for her animals properly.
Honestly, you should. This drama is so messy! A lot of people will be confused by all the insane amounts of drama/exposure rolling in today.
This needs to be documented so TND stans don’t forget it happened.
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even people from her past disliked her, unsurprisingly
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If those aren’t track marks… but they are. Those are most definitely track marks. Sad. Hard to come back from iv drug use.
this is so sad. She could've had the opportunity to go to college, become a Biologist or even a zookeeper without any educational debt. She could save up for a home in California like she wanted and even volunteer with Marine Biologist if she loves sea animals so badly. Now she's stuck with a jobless manchild who's an addict that will only supply her with drugs as her money gets depleted. Just sad
It's never too late for you, Taylor, to turn things around
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How much does this program cost? Is she still on her parents' health insurance? Does she have enough left in the bank to cover Jonny's treatment? He doesn't qualify for Medicaid.
Eh, I wouldn't go as far as to say she could've retired early, but she could've definitely been able to lead a comfortable life because she's in a position that gives her an immense advantage over her peers. She could've even given herself a full ride through college without having to worry about debt, but instead she's buying Cartier bracelets and animals she doesn't know how to care for properly.
She could still turn things around if she really put herself through some introspection and got her shit together, but that means admitting she fucked up and getting rid of Jonny.
You have to rotate locations even before collapse and really to prevent collapse.
Track marks are so named because people often use the same vein but inject closer to the heart with each subsequent injection, leaving a "track".>>630555
Peripheral IVs (medical) are often placed in the hand and sometimes forearm. In infants they are placed in the foot.
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What does she mean she's been going to a clinic for 3 weeks?! Jonny literally just got kicked out of Slaves because he missed the flight to do drugs with her. That was like a day or 2 ago. She's literally delusional.
Also she had a staph infection….? Jonny had one of those too from using dirty needles and it put him in the hospital.
I honestly feel like I'm gaslighted right now. She said earlier they were JUST going to get into rehab, but now she's been in rehab for 3 weeks. Jonny has been confirmed to be using all this time, but she's saying he's on the final stages of recovery.
I cannot comprehend how she keeps lying and making her stories more contrived when there's fucking proof provided by no one but HER admitting neither her or Jonny are clean.
This is why she pisses me off so much. It's the blatant lying and self-victimizing. Look how she goes on a tangent about how she's such a people pleaser and how it NEVER works for her. Such a martyr.
I'm convinced she's on drugs now whenever she goes on these rants full of lies. She doesn't get how she lied to everyone
? Every time she said they were sober? I guess to her it counts to be sober if you aren't using that second.
And she's saying she had been using for years? But thought it was a good idea to bring Jonny into her life why? "fuck bree tho for wanting cocaine!"
Also reminder that she got that mess of a tattoo on the underside of her elbow where all her veins are lol
What fucking druggyyyyyyy
The way she's typing is pissing me off. So many question marks?? She doesn't understand why so many people are so mad
at her?? Like she's just trying to be positive and post her cute animals??
WHAT HAS SHE POSSIBLY DONE TO DESERVE THIS?!?! I literally can't with her.
"Someone with a dog as their photo"
um…What LOL is this supposed to be shade
It’s very very likely, she’s known to lurk and sometimes can’t help being vague about doing so.
As for her rate of deletion she’s always been quick, it’s better to hastily take a snap of something that seems big or else it might be gone in 5 seconds.
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No, they are talking about >>630372
There’s no such thing as “the Fair Use
Act.” Fair use is a doctrine within the body of copyright law.
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“I don’t want to start a wild goose chase….but I am going to attempt to ruin someone’s reputation through speculation bcuz i’m obsessed with whatever”
These kind of inadvertent admission are always very telling. I was going to say so at the time but thought I'd just wait and see, and well…
Still catching up on the tidal wave of milk but basically they could have just shut up about this, said Jonny was in a rehab program and been all love and light about their future. Least harm done. Instead Taylor decided to publicly attack Bree, in the process outing herself as having a coke dealer and smuggling coke on the plane to LA. She's also outted the Petfest group, some of whom also will be using otherwise why would she even tell them she was bringing coke for them to talk her out of it in the first place? Then holy fuck, who outs themselves as being a junkie who stays home every day to shoot smack. It seems very typical of junkies to think their self-absorbed endeavours are somehow honourable. What will her sponsors - her main source of funds, make of this?
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And here are those marks healing, assuming this pic was really taken today.
I personally just don't see any veins that would be good for using on the top of her hands.
Although she could put more effort into popping a vein, although idk why she'd do that when between the fingers is just as effective and more discrete anyway.
dude, it's appreciated but come on, all junkies are different. i knew a girl who preferred shooting in her neck because she swore she got off faster and better that way. there are lots of anons who have histories with shit, we've had this discussion and at this point it's pretty much a dead horse, no pun intended.
do you have any info you're willing to drop re: taylor's relationship with jonny? anything provable? anything about her animals?
Why is she very clearly dosplaying marks like this?? Its on purpose right? Every picture with her hand in it has been showing the back area, front and center. Why?
Also huuuge tinfoil, but maybe her plan to get rid of jonny is to use with him/enable him till he dies and she can ride out the huge sob story of his death
Senor Ria, what were they titled? I should have at least one of them and can share on Drive.
Here's what I have so far. If I have titles I can search my hd for them. I never made a not of the author of each video:https://drive.google.com/open?id=1BZvc3YLXYles14YMAm-2k8jICAqpy8os>Taylor Nicole Dean is an Animal Hoarder -and her Relationship with Jonny Craig is NOT Goals->Taylor Nicole Deans Animal Care SUCKS -Proof - Evidence->Taylor Nicole Dean Roughneck Monitor Debunked>Reacting to Taylor Nicole Deans Response to my Video>Jonny Craig Makes Me Wanna Vomit>Why I UNSUBSCRIBED to Taylor Dean- Pt 1>Why I UNSUBSCRIBED to TND pt- 2
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She may have posted this pic in an effort to prove that she is no longer injecting. Those marks are a week to two weeks old. After the scabs >>630552
are gone and the surface of the skin has healed the area will remain discolored for a while.
This screencap was posted 6 days ago. The marks are darker.>>630684
She did not say that she was hospitalised for the infection, and she said that she was treated almost 2 months ago >>630583
This is exactly what I thought.
How is having your dog as your icon even remotely a bad thing? It's certainly more tasteful than Taylor's icon, a bathroom mirror selfie where she looks half dead.
Does Talor hate dogs or something?
She may be on her parents' health insurance, but I doubt he has insurance and he does not qualify for Medicaid >>630560
Here is an article explaining negative aspects of the treatment model and its expense.https://www.statnews.com/2017/06/29/vivitrol-methadone-opioids/
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post in question
Anons with a history of IV drug use know.
Choosing to place her tattoos over the easier injection sites of her arms is a testament to how entrenched she was in her addiction. And her choice of an anatomical heart design was not-so-inconspicuous junkie humor.
oh honey just because you went for a (probably walk-in) consult at the clinic means nothing.
the future tense about the injection ("we are about to qualify") means they haven't been clean for 10 days at a time within the last 21 days. why does she put all this information out there?