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Gender critical and radical feminism define gender as sociological (feminine/masculine) and sex as biological (female/male). Woman is defined as an adult human female. Radical feminists seek to abolish gender as it is used by patriarchy to oppress women socially, reproductively, and financially. They strive to preserve women's spaces (such as restrooms, locker rooms, and health care providers) and areas of artistic and intellectual expression separate from men.
Trans ideology posits that one's gender is self-determined based on one's feelings and defines woman as the characteristics and behaviors traditionally ascribed to females by society. Increasingly, transactivists are conflating gender and sex and asserting that a person can self-identify both gender and sex.
Gender critical feminists strive to maintain the distinction between gender and sex. The conflation of gender and sex erases the biological reality of women, eliminates women-only spaces, and disestablishes women as a protected class. Existing laws and legislation currently being passed around the world allowing for self-identification on legal documents do not differentiate between gender and sex.
The acronym
TERF (Trans-Exclusionary Radical Feminism) is used primarily by transactivists and their allies to denigrate radical feminists and other women who express gender critical ideas. Transactivists portray TERFs as violent oppressors by virtue of their ideas alone.
Posts of related news and web articles are welcome. Posts of photos, videos, and blogs of transactivists for the purposes of discussion and critique are welcome. Please refrain from derailing, infighting, and ad hominem attacks. This thread is not intended for the general discussion of feminism, sexuality, misogyny, or misandry.
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No. 4120
>>4099>a lesbian that doesn't want to date a MTF or a gay that doesn't want to date a FTM, are "genital obsessed" and transphobicbut
>TRAs want to implement terms such as "uterus-havers", defining people by their genitals
>TRAs and trannies are proud of being trans whenever it is convenient, for example calling others transphobic, begging for representation, or acting like a disadvantaged minority.but
>TRAs and trannies do not want to be seen as "transgender" or different at all, and insist that they are biological women or men. Do not want to be separated into trans-specific sports or bathrooms, want to invade women's spaces instead No. 4141
>>4099>Nonbinary people don't owe you androgynybut
>Androgynous people owe you nonbinary(By which I refer to GNC men and women constantly being asked if they're nonbinary/trans or being pressured to identify as such)
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Parents File Lawsuit After 12-Year-Old Girl Attempts Suicide Twice at School After Secret Meetings
https://www.theepochtimes.com/parents-file-lawsuit-after-12-year-old-girl-attempts-suicide-twice-at-school-after-secret-meetings_4247010.htmlAfter a 12-year-old girl attempted suicide on school property twice after months of secret meetings with a school counselor, her parents have filed a lawsuit.
On Jan. 5, Wendel and Maria Perez received a call from Destiny Washington, who identified herself as a school counselor at Paterson Elementary School (PES) in Fleming Island, Florida, part of Clay County District Schools. Washington told Mr. and Mrs. Perez they needed to come to the school immediately. Washington said it was about their daughter, a sixth-grader, but would not reveal any further information.
When the Perezes arrived at the school they waited in the lobby for 20 minutes before someone came to escort them to a room where Washington, PES Principal John O’Brian, Vice Principal Courtney Schumacher, and a Clay County Schools Police officer were waiting. Mr. and Mrs. Perez were instructed to sit down. According to the federal lawsuit obtained by The Epoch Times—filed Jan. 24 by Child and Parental Rights Campaign, Inc. on behalf of Mr. and Mrs. Perez—Washington told the Perezes the reason they were called to the school was because their daughter “had tried to commit suicide by hanging herself in the school restroom.”
Washington then informed the parents the reason why their daughter tried to kill herself was “because of her gender identity issue” and the fact they would “would not be in agreement with these changes” because of “their Christian Catholic religious beliefs.” As the Perezes sat reeling, Washington stunned them again. The Jan. 5 suicide attempt was the second effort. Their daughter had also tried to hang herself the day before. Without explaining how the child survived the first attempt, Washington insisted school staff was not aware of the first attempt prior to the second.
According to the complaint, the daughter sought guidance from the counselor because she was being bullied. She liked video games, which is something her peers say boys do. A friend “confided she thought she was transgender,” and the girl thought she could be transgender as well because “she wanted to be strong and free ‘like a boy.'” When the child went to speak to Washington, she saw “a lot of posters, literature, and other promotional materials related to LGBTQ ‘pride’ in Washinton’s office.” The girl “thought those materials were ‘cool’ and asked Washington if she supported transgender people.” Washington said she did, at which point the child told Washington, “In that case call me ‘M’ and ‘he.’”
Through weekly private meetings over the next few months, the complaint alleges Washington endorsed the belief that the child “could be a boy” and called her by the male name and pronouns. Washinton promised she would not tell the girl’s parents. However, the promise of confidentiality did not extend to the child’s peers. Washington began addressing the child by the male name in front of her friends without the girl’s permission. The child was humiliated. The bullying, for which she sought help from Washington, escalated. As the child became more confused and depressed, Washington told the girl she would get all of the teachers to start calling her by the male name.
After being told their daughter had tried twice to hang herself on school property because their Christian Catholic beliefs conflicted with her new identity and being told they had been kept in the dark about the months of private meetings because of “confidentiality issues,” the Clay County Schools Police officer then informed Mr. and Mrs. Perez that their daughter had already been placed in the back of a police car and was going to be transported to a mental health facility under the Baker Act, regardless of whether or not they approved.
According to the complaint, Mr. and Mrs. Perez “were not given the option of transporting their traumatized daughter to the facility or even traveling with her to provide comfort. Instead, their suicidal 12-year-old daughter was taken in a police vehicle to an emergency room, where she stayed until 4 a.m. when she was transferred alone, without the comfort and/or support of her parents, to another emergency room and then admitted to the behavioral health unit at Wolfson Children’s Hospital.”
Named in the lawsuit are David Broskie (individually, and in his official capacity as Superintendent of Clay County District Schools), John O’Brian (individually, and in his official capacity as Principal of Paterson Elementary School), Courtney Schumacher (individually, and in her official capacity as Assistant Principal of Paterson Elementary School), and Destiny Washington (individually, and in her official capacity as counselor at Paterson Elementary School). Twelve causes are outlined. A jury trial is demanded.
The Father’s Story
“This counselor said we were there because our daughter tried to commit suicide,” Wendel Perez recalled of that day to The Epoch Times. “The counselor alleged that it was because of her gender identity issue, and they knew we would not be in agreement because of our religious beliefs. We’re Catholic Christians. When I asked why they didn’t notify us about these surreptitious meetings with the school counselor, we were told by an administrator that confidentiality issue prevented them from telling us about them.”
“Confidentiality” was the same reason given to January Littlejohn after she discovered school officials in Leon County, Florida, held a private meeting with her daughter. As reported by The Epoch Times on Aug. 23, several school officials met with her daughter in secret to draft a “transgender gender nonconforming student support plan,” which was used to record her child’s new non-binary status, “preferred name,” and “preferred pronouns.” The 13-year-old child was even allowed to determine she would “be comfortable rooming w/either sex” on overnight school tips without the knowledge or consent of the parents. Staff also decided the parents would not be informed of anything involved in “implementing this plan,” and staff were instructed not to “include gender-specific pronouns when speaking w/parents.”
Perez said when he and his wife arrived at the hospital, they were under the impression their daughter was going to be with someone. But they discovered their daughter had been by herself the whole time. More disturbing was when she was moved into the behavioral health unit, where one of the staff members called their daughter by the boy’s name used by Washington. Perez said his daughter immediately corrected the staff member, saying that was not her name and she told him her real name. What Perez wants to know is how the hospital staff member knew to address his daughter by the fictitious name in the first place. “Who was in charge? Perez asked rhetorically. “We weren’t allowed to go with her. The school was in charge. The school provided all of the information to the hospital. The school coordinated with the hospital.”
She was away from us for a week, with limited access to family,” Perez said. “Then she was released to us on January 12, and she’s been with us since then.”
Asked how his daughter was doing now, Perez said “she’s doing great. She’s a happy girl like she was before. She is relieved she isn’t at the school anymore and she does not want to go back. She is getting her schoolwork from her teachers and doing her work from home.”
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I wish I had friends in my country who do not worship the feet under troons. I lost my previous friend group of almost 10 years at least partly because I could not keep my fucking mouth shut about my radfem views. It started with me being naive and thinking saying "hormones should not be given to kids" is a normal view to have - that triggered my friends nonbinary girlfriend to have a panic attack and crying. Other friends best friend is a FtM Aiden who brags about all the dick they are sucking and what kind of pocket pussies they have bough (for what purpose??). Well, it's been a couple of years now, it doesn't matter any more.
I don't know if I would fit into any legitimate feminist groups either, since my humor has been tainted my years and years of image board browsing, and I tend to laugh at some non-PC jokes occasionally.
It's just frustrating. I wish I knew this before accidentally stumbling upon gc thoughts. I would have closed my eyes, kept my mouth shut and kept repeating TWAW in my head
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>>4161Oh god, my condolences anon. Must be fun trying to be a little handmaiden for his delusions and smile along (that sounded derogatory, I was not meaning that sorry lol).
Funny that you mention therapy - from observing one of my only remaining friend's journey through psychology university degree, therapists are "brainwashed" into the gender speak already in school. It is very much libfem central over there, even though the people that get into the school are very intelligent, as they only take in like 1% of applicants.
I recently started a genetics course in my university, I almost burst out laughing at the professor talking about intersex mutations. He just described them as flat out abnormalities and how some, like XYY, are more prominent in prison population since it causes aggressiveness etc. It was such a different approach to what I am used to in social media. (I'm all for intersex rights and shit and I don't think they are freak or anything it was just so shocking)
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>>4163I don't blame the therapists, I believe some want to seem woke just out of fear. I has (or is proposed to become?) actually illegal to become anything but affirming, since it is "conversion therapy". They could lose their job they have spent years and god knows how much money getting. I've seen some reddit screenshots of people complaining they were not cleared for HRT, and wonder if they should report the doctor / therapist for mistreatment…
Lol the bra thing makes me think of a twitter post I saw recently, something about women deserving comfortable bras or go braless. OF COURSE some fucking brave and stunning fat scrote was in the replies telling how putting his moobs in bras make HIM feel so euphoric and feminine uwu :3c At least some women told him to fuck off. I have seen some rise in pushback towards these fuckers, I hope more people come to their senses.
No. 4169
>>4168What's with the other boards?
I've been trying to vent in ot but it just won't let me but glad this fits here too. I had to tell a bra size calculator if I was afab or amab and it felt like a slap in the face.
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You will only lose… your blind faith in trans ideology!
No. 4232
>>4200Bleak but, I used to be a pickme mra antifeminist retard before the trans thing blew up. It finally opened my eyes to the reality that males really do hate all women and that I wasn't special or different, just a useful idiot. I told myself I was nlog to protect my ego from the crushing reality that we actually do live in a fucking patriarchy and that feminists were right all along. I'm not sure that would have happened if I didn't see everyone bending over backwards to protect obviously mentally ill degenerate coomer scrotes. It was in looking for a different take on the trans issue that I started reading things written from a woman's perspective. I had been subconsciously avoiding anything created by women because I had been so conditioned to think "they" (we) were inferior idiots, and that only by reading and watching men could I become better. I was actually shocked by how articulate and reasonable women are. The lies of the mra movement became so embarrassingly obvious I couldn't believe I ever entertained them. In a fucked up way I have to thank the trans movement for waking me up from that nightmare, and I feel like I'm not the only one. This may be overly optimistic, but I feel like the women's rights movement will only get stronger. The sexism inherent to trans ideology is so blatant that it works as a litmus test to see who actually has compassion for women and who is just pretending for social cred. It forces you to confront the most comical, overly exaggerated textbook form of sexism, and watching people fumble with this concept is the blackest pill. I will never be able to go back. I will never unsee the truth. And I don't think I'm alone. I sense a rage bubbling beneath the surface, a class consciousness beginning to form. I see it in comment sections, in tiktoks, in passing remarks. I have hope for the future, the more oppressive trans ideology gets, the more undeniable feminism becomes. We may be too scared to speak publically at the moment, but that only stokes the fire in our hearts. From each and every injustice those small fires will quietly but steadily grow until someday becoming an inferno; and when that day comes, I don't think men will be ready.
Sorry for the blog and fanfiction.
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I feel a little better seeing that the news in my country don't pander to degenerate troons.
There was this news article about a TIM who abused a minor, and the article always refers to the abuser as male, only using his "female name" in quotation marks.
In the past year there's been a chunk of the teenage population that's been pushing for all this gender special bullshit but I'm glad to see it's not catching up where it actually matters.
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On the one hand I appreciate he came out and said him turning transgender and then non-binary was all stuff of his fucked up psyche, but on the other hand, how could he be stopped when the only person who did refuse to his delusions was fired and then "cancelled" by him? Most of the people on his way were afraid of that but he also accuses them of not doing anything. It's a weird situation which played a huge part in the non-binary shit we have today.
Despite "accusing" people for not stopping him in the whole article, at least he doesn't victimize himself in the last sentences.
https://www.dailysignal.com/2019/03/10/i-was-americas-first-non-binary-person-it-was-all-a-sham/ No. 4306
>>4302Most moids literally cannot grasp the concept that gender roles are not the same as biological sex. They think women not wanting to be domestic sex slave barbies is the same as denying the existence of x any y chromosomes.
We are being "punished" for rebuking our contrived, subservient role because that's all the see women as.
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More proof its all misogyny
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Hey gc anons, I am coming from the regular vent thread in /ot/ because I think my vent was so heavily gc related that it probably fits better here. So my longtime friend who I have known literally since we were both babies shared this tweet and said it was a "good point" and it made me so upset I almost went off at her in dms, even though we never fight and she is generally a very sweet person. I was so furious that someone could see surgeries women are often pressured into by men's expectations like BA and cosmetic labial surgery as "gender affirming" as though looking like a porn star caricature somehow makes you look "like a woman." It's only "gender affirming" in the sense that it does work to legitimize and affirm the bullshit concept of gender identity, but of course that is not what the poster or she meant in spreading this idea. I am also deeply disgusted that such a line of logic could be used to justify stunting a young girl's growth and giving her a life threatening mastectomy to remove healthy tissue, as though the only options for a young girl to see in her future are being a bimbo or a surgical imitation of a man. It's just so wrong and I am incredibly disappointed, I don't know how an otherwise intelligent and caring person like my friend came to believe something like this. I'm glad in the end I decided not to confront her because she would probably just hate me forever for being a terf, but either way I feel like we can't be as close anymore. We already grew apart a bit because we live in different cities now, but after this I just need to distance myself from her overall. It sucks.
No. 4428
>>4425I love your idea! It would be nice to make radfem theory more accessible, especially since a lot of the books are out of print and mostly found online as pdfs, and it feels like a lot of people just don't know it's out there. I love SCUM too, although I'm not sure I would use it to introduce people. A QR code sticker sounds like a good bet though, if you can get some printed. I used to have a link to a collection of PDFs of Dworkin's work too, I could try and dig it out of my bookmarks if you're looking for any.
It's honestly a shame how repressed their writing is, because I feel like Solanas and Dworkin and so many other feminist authors had such a viscerally beautiful way with words.
If you're looking for a slightly less anonymous community to discuss this stuff, I really suggest making a Tumblr and connecting with radfems on there. We have a pretty big community, used to have some issues with drama but I don't think it's nearly as much of a problem anymore. No. 4430
>>4428Drop some usernames to follow,
nonny, I haven't been on Tumblr for years but would join for sisterhood
No. 4439
>>4369>How did the trans community evolve from mostly self-hating homosexuals to mostly narcissistic heterosexuals?Honestly, handmadens giving AGPs a platform and trying to snuff out HSTS
The more that happened, the more AGPs joined in and now there's fuck all HSTS in comparison
It's really a shame because I'd be okay with the existance of HSTS (maybe not even sharing spaces with them. okay trama-nonies?) but AGPs should be having every move they make monitored, not being emboldened
No. 4467
>>4442Oh gosh, I meant to check the board to see if anyone wanted links but I forgot, thank you for your service! I think that's where I got my pdfs too.
>>4431For an intro, I really love Cordelia Fine's Delusions of Gender. I feel like she's a little more low-key, and while it was published in 2010 and the "woke" language has changed quite a bit since, it's not the kind of stuff that would immediately turn off a casual normie TRA type. It breaks down the myth of brain sex and goes into how socialization affects men and women, but particularly women. It even discusses a study on how it can impact (passing, old school HSTS mostly) trans women, and it's a pretty good deflection against
TERF accusations without pretending they're actually women. It's been a little while since I read it, but I also remember it being pretty funny and easy to get through. I don't think it really hits you over the head with the radfem theory, but I do think it would be hard to read and understand it without coming to those conclusions yourself. I think I got my pdf from the same blog the other anon linked, but if it isn't there I could try to figure out a way to post it.
>>4430Other anon's recommendations are great, I'll add a few of my own. Some are strictly political but a few are just funny gals or also talk about their cool hobbies, it's nice to have a mix so radblr doesn't feel like doomscrolling.
antiplondon
opabiniawillreturn
kronkk
magnetictapedatastorage
d3nt4l-d4m4g3
queen-mayhem
long-leggged-socialist
meangirlpolitics
balkanradfem
No. 4484
>>4483Yes, I also love how she compares the gender cult to a religion. It totally is. They literally believe in a gender soul that can only be 'freed' once they mutilate their bodies, and shun the non-believers like heretics. Luckily I'm on
TERF island but if I ever get some genderfag coming up to me asking me about my pronouns or whatever, I will say "Oh, I'm not religious".
I'm pissed she got yeeted from Youtube though. I worry the likes of Posie Parker and Karen Davis will be next. I know Posie isn't necessarily radfem but she is still based nonetheless, and I see her getting more radicalised as time goes on. I also fear Magdalen Burns will have her treasured channel removed one day too. Even beyond the grave, she continues to peak people daily.
No. 4494
>>4493I'm so sorry for you and your daughter.
Your boss is right, though. She will get pressure to trans, and it probably be from her peers and teachers. You need to get ahead of it and talk to her about this. I mean, not now. But like once she starts elementary school, especially if your school public school system is in thrall to gender identity. Read Irreversible Damage and books like that so you can be aware of the arguments that will be used to try to convince her to transition. Also, make sure she doesn't spend a ton of time online. That's a huge gateway for this.
I'm so sorry you have to go through all this just because your daughter is tomboy. The world is so fucked up.
No. 4575
>>4562Generally I'm just very open about feminism and if they're TRAs, they'll whine and derail with moid gender shit. If they don't do that, you'll eventually end up at the truth that misogyny oppresses female people for being female, and then you've basically got your answer.
They could also be conservative but tbh even conservative women hate men half the time. They'll cushion everything with "I'm not a feminist, but-" and "Of course not all men, but-" but half the time all they need is another woman who's safe to share their real thoughts with.
No. 4709
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I'm planning on doing some amateur data analysis using data from some surveys the U.S. government has been doing to assess how the public is faring during Covid. In it, they ask for age, birth sex, identified sex, and myriad other things. I intend to use data they collected between July 2021 and March 2022 (over 675,000 responses) to try to calculate trans identification across different demographics.
Unfortunately, there's not data for minor sexual/gender identification, only for adults.
Source for my data:
https://www.census.gov/programs-surveys/household-pulse-survey/datasets.html#phase3.4Note: One interesting thing about this data is that you can choose either "male" or "female" as your birth sex, but for your identified sex, you can choose one of four options regardless of your birth sex:
1. Male
2. Female
3. Transgender
4. None of these
This means that males who say they identify as female are recorded separately from males who say they identify as transgender.
On the graph, the top line includes people that identify as neither "male," "female," or "transgender." However, I wasn't comfortable assuming that all these people actually are trans, since I'm sure some GC types would tick that box angrily. The bottom line represents people who explicitly said they identify as the opposite sex or as trans. The actual % of trans identification likely falls somewhere in-between.
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>>4709A funny artifact of separating out people identifying as the opposite sex vs identifying with the label "transgender" is that you can see a strong divide in their sexual orientations.
There's an official Tableau visualization of LGBT data for the overall adult population here:
https://www.census.gov/library/stories/2021/11/census-bureau-survey-explores-sexual-orientation-and-gender-identity.htmlThe former group is very straight relative to the latter, which is overwhelmingly "lesbian" and bisexual.
No. 4711
>>4696Same, but as someone who grew up without any religion but could see others partake in it I already knew how easily people blindly believe made up shit for no reason. I didn't think people would fall for new lies so quickly though, it's scary.
There is literally no way to look at the current gender movement as anything but a religion. It's a blind belief that goes against reality and science that can't be questioned or you're an evil
terf "sinner". Just like buddhism you don't need a god to worship and instead strive to be the "true version" of what your "soul" tells you to be.
No. 4712
>>4710Final samefag for now.
There's some issues with this dataset. People born in 1933 and earlier are all grouped together under that birth year, and there's bizarrely high reported rates of being "transgender/non-binary." I don't have the number right now, but if I remember correctly, it was around 20%, so I'm chalking that up to an artifact of bad data collection or management or something.
There's also a serious lack of young adults answering the survey. There were 4-5x as many answers per birth year for people born in the 40's-80's than there were per birth year for people born in the late 90's. Out of the entire pool of respondents, about 1.0% were binary trans (see official government infographic), but this calculation was made without controlling for the fact that there were disproportionately few young respondents, who are disproportionately likely to be trans.
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Idk if right thread but
I know picrel is wrong but I’ve always had trouble putting a coherent argument together because that’s just not my strong suit. I get too flustered and annoyed and I feel it on the tip of my tongue but it’s like I have brain fog. Anons, how do I argue against this shit. I need a cheat sheet.
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They are a special kind of evil. If every other letter in the alphabet people is uncomfortable but you, maybe it’s you that is the problem.
No. 4933
>>4826First, don't argue with troons because they fetishize any female attention. They'll say you're jealous or something. Second, they think any woman above 5'3 who doesn't have D cup breasts, huge eyes, tiny nose, and other very stereotypical characteristics are men. Although they also argue you can't tell if a woman is trans even though they already have listed a huge list on tips to help them do just that.
So they're both saying trans women are no different than real women while also saying there are "women who could be trans" as in, they do realize that even if those women have masculine characteristics, they definitely aren't trans. Also most people don't stare at women and them trying to figure out if someone is trans would be considered transphobic, even.
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I just saw this today and found it hilarious.
So without the T the lgbt would be cohesive, inviting and more serious but with the T it' an absolute clusterfuck
No. 4998
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Statistics Canada released the results for the 2021 census recently. There's some interesting (and predictable) stuff in there, like that people who identify as non-binary are more likely to live downtown in highly-populated cities, skew younger, and suffer from mental illness.
On their website it says, quote:
"Generation Z was born in the Internet age, and millennials came of age during a time when the Internet was changing the way we gather and process information. The Internet, along with social media and web-connected personal devices, may have contributed to the increasing awareness of gender diversity—especially among younger generations—by providing transgender and non-binary individuals with virtual support communities."
What a gentle way of talking about it…
No. 5022
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>>5019The previous pic is just the top cities for the amount of nbs living downtown. The census also says that a higher than average amount of trans and nonbinary people live in british columbia.
No. 5023
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>>5022>>5019That said, Nova Scotia had the highest.
I'm intrigued by Nunavut having the lowest amount while the Yukon has one of the highest. Seems random.
No. 5031
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https://www.smh.com.au/national/inclusive-language-risks-dehumanising-women-top-researchers-argue-20220126-p59red.html>Breastfeeding community educator Jacquie Ducat said she did not take issue with such language changing as she realises desexed terminology still includes her.Well, yeah, of course "non-men" includes us, but that's not the point. (Correct me if wrong.) I know I menstruate, have a uterus, could give birth, am not a man, etc. I don't feel excluded by that language.
I feel dehumanized by that language. That language rejects my very personhood. I don't get to be a "mother" anymore, I'm a "breastfeeder" or "birth-giver." You know, like a fucking dairy cow.
This kind of shit is what they're calling us in the scientific and medical literature. There's no way this won't have an impact on the treatment we get from the medical professionals who are being trained currently. They'll see us as talking versions of the corpses they practiced procedures on.
No. 5044
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No. 5053
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No. 5068
>>4934Nonnas, tinfoil time but I can't shake the theory: all the troon encouragement is some kind of psyop that started after the Women's March. There were pornsick AGPs before that, but it's exploded since then, pushed on easily infiltrated online spaces like 4chan and reddit. Somebody saw Women uniting as a political class for the first time in ages and decided to break it apart by introducing dissidents by manipulating men.
Since then enough of them have trooned out it's become self sustaining and is working better than they could have hoped.
Like I said, it's tinfoil, but the same thing happened with Occupy and idpol groups "showing up" to derail it.
No. 5102
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Idk where this goes, but I loved it so much, I needed to share.
No. 5238
>>4998>1.5%The absolute state, that's surprisingly a lot
>>5018You want them to go with the MacKay or MacDonald?
No. 5256
Just watched this video by a Chinese YouTuber who mostly talks about tech. There are a lot of parallels to how TiMs describe gender dysphoria in her experience. The tl;dw is that she was raised and treated as a boy because of China's one child policy, but she was never tomboyish and it didn't feel right (she doesn't blame her parents for it, and doesn't want them to be bashed). She's also a lesbian. She always admired hyperfeminine women, and as she grew older, she leaned heavily into looking/feeling as feminine as possible. She feels very out of place and depressed in conservative clothing, and has a harshly negative reaction to being seen as "boyish" in appearance. She doesn't even go by her birthname or show childhood photos because she doesn't see that person as her anymore. She maintains that she and other high femmes don't present the way they do for male attention or for sexual gratification, but others have a hard time understanding it, so explaining is hard. Her breast implants are actually prosthetics, which she describes as "gender-affirming top surgery", and she states that many lesbians in Asia get top surgery to remove their breasts for the same reasons, hers is just the other way around. She describes her way of dressing as a "10 year old's idea of a sexy lady" (hence the cutesy touches to her outfits), and though it can give a bad first impression, she's not hurting anyone, despite having "some glitches" in her gender expression
What do you guys think? My first thought was "Lying troon" when she brought in the dead name aspect and admitted she didn't even have breasts before going in for prosthetics (she claims many Chinese women don't) but she doesn't read as male to me, and she has a very butch Uyghur girlfriend, so I don't know. She said she supports anyone who's "trying to be their real self" (aka trans people) and that many people must have had it "much harder than her", but I can't help but feel that she might be heavily projecting her own experience onto TiMs. Like, in theory, it's similar, but what's the relation between a traumatized girl who was raised as a boy growing up leaning into all the things she was denied as an adult (whether it might be over the top or not), and a western boy who's (at most) a little wimpier than the other boys, then grows up, fries his brain on porn and tries to live out a literal porno fantasy of what he thinks a woman is? It's annoying to think of AGP transbians who are also into tech/programming being like "Omg she is literally me". It's sad to me that there might be a significant amount of actual women with this very particular, hyper-specific experience of being forced to live as male, but it's still white men with fetishes who get heralded as "the face" of it
No. 5260
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These people are so annoying. My god. She's 20 too.
No. 5269
>>5256>though it can give a bad first impression, she's not hurting anyoneExcept she is. I'd in fact argue she's hurting herself the most because as you say she's
>a traumatized girl who was raised as a boy growing up leaning into all the things she was denied as an adultI don't see her coping with this by having surgery to physically turn herself into a living sex doll as healthy. If she wanted to heavily lean into stereotypical feminine expressions like dresses, makeup and painted nails, that would be one thing, but why is her concept of femininity so sexualized? Why can't she have just accepted her natural body and dressed girly but not pornographically? There is clearly more going on here than only being treated as a boy when she was little. I don't think she should be diminished for how she dresses, but obviously she knew the sort of objectification and male attention she would garner by presenting herself this way. She seems like she's in denial about her real reasons to me.
No. 5276
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>>5275reminds me of what happened to Joe Hawley, this incident happened over a year ago but its still perfect example of why you can't ever win with TRAs, Joe Hawley the former frontman of the 2000's Indie pop rock band Tally Hall(the one's that made the Ruler of Everything song) got DM'd by an underaged nb Ayden who asked him if he could put his pronouns in his bio, he politely refused and got into argument regarding non-binaryism and pronouns and in this conversation his "
problematic" views were revealed
see like most normie libs he thinks trans people are "
valid" and believes Transphobia is real, but he doesn't buy into that Idea that anyone can be non-binary, he also believes that children don't have the mental capacity to know if their trans or not and shouldn't allowed on hormones and referred to some "trans affirming" surgeries as multination(which they are) and that got him cancelled, like the whole of woke twitter fucking hates his guts now for views that aren't even remotely offensive and likely what the average normie lib believes in
No. 5277
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I was wondering if someone could explain to me in detail why exactly MtFs are so attracted to lesbian. Is it really a porn induced fixation? or is it also that they dont want a typical dominant male position in the relationship because they are too weak to be someones rock to rely on.
just confuses me becausse lesbian relationships do have butch/femme dynamics but thats not always the case. ive known butches to date and marry and femmes to date and marry.
i just dont understand why exactly it is lesbianism that they are drawn to. holy grail of "nobody stuck her dick in her" kinda possessive fixation? is it truly the most unattainable thing for a guy and their drive to deserve and aquire everything driving them to do so? i am just so desperate to understand nonnies
No. 5280
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My autism can't tell if this is a humble brag or a joke after the "totally cool Stacy" part. Anyone else find ovarit difficult to enjoy because it's filled with grifters and 40yo pickmes?
No. 5288
>>5277It’s a few things off the top of my head, but I can deep dive if you want.
To start men fetish lesbians because they view them as unattainable and untarnished women. They’ve in their heads never been with or belonged to another man so they can get their virgin fetish and weird power leveling from that. Because sex between two women could never “be real sex.”
Porn pushes lesbians like crazy so they typically end up developing a full on fetish manipulating their sexuality into more severe obsessions. Porn addicts also lower their own sensitivity, sperm counts and give themselves Eds and require more stimulation seeking out more severe forms of their fetishes like men raping lesbians and conversion porn. Or tranny and lesbian porn etc.
It’s also a validation thing like they’ve tricked the truest of terfs and women and it makes them better than the other trannies. Etc.
No. 5320
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Apparently requiring women on corporate boards is "unconstitutional"
No. 5328
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This is from _rational_ wikipedia. Idk how rational it is to just say something is false without telling the reader what is correct then. Funnily enough the rational wiki seems to think otherkin is bullshit but trannies and sex changing over the course of a human's life is totally possible and real.
No. 5406
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>Retired doctor wrongly prescribed sex-change treatments to patients as young as nine, tribunal hearshttps://www.yahoo.com/news/retired-doctor-wrongly-prescribed-sex-194128007.htmlI have no words. This is just disgusting.
No. 5438
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Some people are so close to getting the point yet still so far away
No. 5499
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I have just made a post about the wikipedia Dianic Wicca article and decided to compare some past versions of it. Is anyone else not only extremely tired but also worried about twannies editing wikipedia articles pandering their bullshit.
No. 5694
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No. 5708
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Kekkk, had a breakdown on main. Might've cried a little there but fucking hell.
No. 5716
>>5708>trans friends, family and partner is nbThis isn't surprising. Some people aren't just blind because they don't know any better, they make the choice to remain blind out of misguided love. They don't ask questions because their personal community follows a very specific mindset, and going against it has been framed as "literally killing" people. Even if all the things you said rang true to them (and they probably did), you're asking them to shoulder the pain of knowing their friends and family are making a terrible mistake, and they can't say or do much about it. It's the sort of knowledge you just can't go back from, and if you're liberal or left-leaning surrounded by similar people, the stakes are so much higher. Most people aren't brave or brutally honest enough for that. There's also a more twisted aspect of feeling like you're a "good ally" for discarding people for wrongthink. It's a messed up psychological punishment/reward system that preys on people's guilt and empathy
I'm sorry this shit happened, I've also had friendships end because I didn't want to swallow the BS. Now I keep most people at a safe, polite distance if they seem too "woke", and I can tell it kind of bothers them, but I know once you get too close, it's either you live the lie with them, or what you posted ends up happening. Unless they're literally in love with you, like ready to risk it all, the best you can do is drop a few peaking questions or statements and just let them think it over themselves. I know this post is 6 hours old, so I hope you're feeling better, nona. One person isn't the end of the world, you can and will make better friends who don't have those sorts of attachments (or at least won't place them above their bond with you) ♥
No. 5728
>>5716I can't thank you enough for your thoughtful message, it really helped. It is simple in the end.. They can't force me to accept swapped genders, I can't force them to understand why. I just deleted him. We've been friends for ten years.. It is devestating. I should've kept my damn mouth shut, but by now I also don't want to..
It was about another friend of mine calling me a nazi. I'm from Austria. Our nazis are a whole lot different. So I had a full break down on my main Snapchat about that. That I simply believe that people can't change their sex, and that made me a nazi in someone else's view. Which is truly hard, seeing where I come from. Our nazis will break your fucking arm or leg for fun. In some states we have brotherhood watches made up of nazis because they believe the police aren't doing enough against rape and thievery.
That's where I come from. So yes, I wrote a very thoughtful piece about people calling me that, what I truly believe in.. As in.. Respect for every single person, health care, psych care, etc..
It fucked me up being called a nazi. It truly did. My countries nazis aren't that nice or commendable. They're not based. They're truly, truly awful and violent.
Thank you though. It truly helped me understand and also be okay with it. It simply is. Friendships pass and there is no failure in it. Thank you.
No. 5734
>>5733Burgerland and
terf island are also both having HRT shortages for women with actual medical needs while trannies are getting theirs.
No. 5794
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No. 5797
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>>5796It’s just fucking sad
No. 5799
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Nothing like threatening violence am I right? Ffs
No. 5848
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No. 5858
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I'm from Norway and people know I'm a terf and they'll tell me "but this girl completely passes its impossible to tell". It literally looks like what it is, a little boy in makeup?? Like I don't get why he is hailed here as the perfect passing tranny, I see boys looking like him all day every day sans makeup
No. 5925
>>5864Oh yeah with the smell I was talking about my public hair.
I feel like armpit smell is the most random thing. Sometimes I don't shower for days and there's nothing, sometimes I smell 5 minutes after leaving the shower. I shave them because I hate the feeling of having hair there and the hair keeping them moist. I generally have sensory issues with things on my skin though.
No. 6019
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>>6012Trying to find some for you. This one talks about one of the theories why but disagrees with it.
https://curejoy.com/content/masturbation-cause-hair-loss/ No. 6020
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>>6019https://mrmindblowing.com/nofap-hairs/There’s a lot of nofap men that talk about it.
No. 6023
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>>6017Surprisingly, it was trans people that made me really appreciate being a woman.
Unrelated, I was looking up this thing among artists called Art Fight that starts next month. Lo and behold, the very first rule mentions transphobia. Not homophobia, not racism. Nice to know where the priorities are. Noped out of there real fast.
No. 6025
>>6012wrong thread
>>6017why "in an alternate dimension I'd be trans" and not just "in an alternate dimension I'd be a man"
No. 6046
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found this in the comments of a youtube video for a womens only capsule hotel in japan
there were a ton more gc/terfy comments too, it gives me hope
No. 6419
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saw this video on tumblr and i found it suspicious and of this dude has a track record of medical malpractice. Tifs found this tiktok hilarious while the evil Terfs found it concerning and they were right as there were links about his malpractice and people who sued him. but despite that, there were still supportive comments
https://www.reddit.com/r/ftm/comments/eciytk/dr_crane_malpractice_lawsuits/https://4thwavenow.com/2018/03/26/update-san-francisco-phalloplasty-surgeon-now-with-8-malpractice-suits/https://thepostmillennial.com/gender-dysphoric-patients-suffer-at-the-hands-of-unethical-doctors No. 6504
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"female brain"
No. 6513
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>>6512everytime i think ive climbed to the top there is another higher peak
No. 6535
>>6524I wish I knew,
nonny. I’m in the same boat as you. One of my best friends is a he/they woman who I’ve known for years and I love her to bits but I’m constantly worried that one of these days I’ll out myself as an evil
terf and she’ll drop me. I think I’m the only gnc person I know who doesn’t identify as trans/non-binary. It’s so stifling. I wish we could all meet in real life somewhere.
No. 6568
>>6545What sucks is that most of these older normies are anti-troon because they're socially conservative or religious. Finding another young, progressive woman who is a legitimate
TERF seems impossible. (I live in NYC.)
No. 6605
>>6525i just feel so tired of this city sometimes. the homeless situation is depressing. i get harassed by homeless men while i wait for the bus. they scare me. i carry pepper spray with me whenever i go home after class.
>>6535my friends are well meaning. i think theyre not that involved with politics beyond what they see in major news events. Or their trans friends appear mostly relatively normal and aren't the most degenerate kind walking outside with cat ears. I wonder if we had someone like the boob teacher in canada it would peak people here…
>>6545Yeah. We both dislike it, but they mostly dislike it because they think women should act a different way and we dislike it because we dont believe in any of this gender personality shit. I dont really want to hang out with them either. I honestly wish I could find other women who agree with me at my college but we would probably get harassed out of school.
No. 6627
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Everything feels so bleak right now. Is there a way out of genderism that preserves women's rights? Or are our options going to be Misogynistic Mormons VS Misogynistic Troons? It feels like over the past year people using the GC and radfem label have veered sharply to the right. I'm predicting that the right is about to appropriate the language and theory of feminism to push their own agenda, just like how TRAs appropriated feminism to push their agenda. I think it's going to follow the exact same pattern. Any true feminist organization will be infested and overwhelmed by trad misogynists who will use feminist aesthetics and terminology to pursue anti-feminist goals.
No. 6716
>>6504so let me get this straight, satoryuga - a korean woman who is not even a confirmed radfem - blocked a troon male or a few troon males who were sexually harassing her, then the trannies doxxed her and got her assaulted/beaten irl by korean moids while also writing out graphic detailed racist rape and killing fantasies about her all because she blocked/didn't want to be sexually harassed by troon mra incels
what the actual fuck? how can anyone want to associate with an ideology that is supportive of this disgusting behavior?
No. 6827
>>6826nevermind, she's braindead. And so am I for prematurely linking this. At the very least I got to see where the
terf = nazi argument came from.
No. 6903
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Sorry for blogposting about the obvious but I guess something just hit me today. I was trying to find a list of gnc woman to share with a friend who is questioning if she is an enby. I have tried subtly peaking her and she “sees my point” on a lot of stuff but is still quite far into the gender ideology and thinks it’s a positive thing.
Today I find out that, according to google, “gender non conforming” has now been completely replaced with non-binary, as a term. And all gnc people throughout history are now described as enbies, such as Grace Jones and David Bowie. I always thought those two concepts remained at least somewhat separate so am quite upset to see that’s not the case. How can you be gender non-conforming when you either don’t have a gender or change your gender to accommodate the stereotypes you conform to? How can you, as a woman, think so little of women as a whole that you identify out of womanhood (your material reality) because you didn’t want to conform to made-up stereotypes? How is that a cool or alternative thing to do?
When lesbians and feminists have historically been gnc - rejecting mainstream female beauty standards and stereotypes, these same women-centered women are now not women at all! I'm so sad about what this means for the future of women.
No. 7009
Just thinking about the fact that I need a long list of short concise texts debunking the most common trans arguments. They have to be simple enough that people understand it easily and factual enough to be credible at the same time.
It all just gets so muddy when all their arguments contradict each other and you try to walk on egg shells to not offend them too much so you have to pick and choose which of their lies you believe in at the given time so they'll even listen to you for 5 seconds.
One example I've run into is their attempt to still their cognitive dissonance by redefining sex and going from saying
>You can't change your sex, but gender is separate and different
to instead saying
>Actually sex is a group of things like phenotypes, chromosomes, social roles, and you CAN change those so that means your sex has changed
And it's so easy to fall into the trap and try to refute them point by point, when at the bottom there is no reason to accept that that IS the definition of sex, or that it "should be". Changing your sexual "phenotypes" basically just means appearance, like "I chopped my boobs off so my chest is flat, which is phenotypically male = therefore my phenotypical sex is male".
Adult human female. It truly is the ONLY acceptable definition.
Adult = the fully grown form of a living being
Human = our species
Female = the sex that is developed around producing the large gametes aka eggs (whether or not this production is functioning or not doesn't ever matter - if you unplug your TV, it's still a TV. If your TV came in broken, it was still made to be a TV. A female child or a post menopausal woman are still both female and at no point in history has that ever been questioned.)
No. 7020
>>7016Because women have different medical needs. Because our sec decides those needs. Because male doctors operating on female patients have a 15% increased risk of death. Because biology itself is a
terf. Gender is bullshit. Sex is real and impacts our physical needs of care and there’s nothing wrong with that. We deserve cars that are built to our skeletal frames so we don’t have a 26% increased risk of dying in car accidents or serious injury.
No. 7024
>>7016>answer that isn't terfywhy do you need an answer that isn't "terfy"? are you lost?
Sex is innate and immutable and not only makes a huge difference in our physical bodies, but changes how we experience the world. On average, women are smaller and not as physically strong as men, 95% of rapes are towards women and 1 in 3 women experience sexual assault in their lives, we have the ability to get pregnant which not only puts us at risk but prevents opportunities and freedoms afforded to men, we bleed every month which can result in pain, health problems and stigma. Note: not all women have ovaries and wombs but 100% of those that do are women. Women are more likely to experience poverty and we own only 2% of the world's land. In some countries we have no freedoms based on the fact we are women. Some women are denied education, forced into sex slavery, FGM and other kinds of abuse. These things don't happen because they wear dresses and like lipstick. It's because they are women. From the moment we are born, we learn to fear rape and male violence. We also learn to protect and care for men above our own needs.
SOME women will experience very little or perhaps next to none of these problems. These will mostly likely be rich or knowledge-class women who are well protected, educated, healthy and comfortable. They don't have to experience much of "the real world" as it were. Most of us don't have this luxury. It will always be the women at the bottom who will pay the highest price.
Gender is a bullshit made up social construct that equates womanhood with femininity (eg, dresses, make up, being polite and agreeable) and men with masculinity (being strong, confident, aggressive). The
reality of being a woman has fuck all to do with femininity. Believing any different is incredibly sexist and regressive.
Don't you ever wonder why we have single sex spaces in the first place? don't you wonder why girls and boys have separate physical education/sports?
>Free to be whoever we wantThis is the lie being sold. Don't equate female empowerment to "Women are like men". We are not like men. We have our own power. We have different needs and desires. What is good for men, isn't necessarily what is good for women (and
very often is the opposite).
However, we can be what kind of women we want. We can be strong, we can be tough, we can be smart etc. but we are not men. To pretend we have the same opportunities or lived experiences is not only delusional and doing us a massive disservice but is actively destroying our hard-won rights.
No. 7026
>>7025it makes me laugh seeing the TIFs discuss TIM's behaviour in a way that is almost indistinguishable from women talking about their male oppressors but they're literally just swapped the names around.
Also how transwomen are suddenly dominating sports now they can play with women, and transmen don't even want to compete in male categories because they know they wouldn't stand a chance. strange, huh.
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No. 7275
>>7269kek hilarious
But i hate this "what about transwymyn?!?" dumbass argument so much.
>TIMs are welcome in every single fucking other shelter except one that JK madenothing is stopping them using any of the others that pander to them, at the expense of women in need
>Even if there weren't any other shelters, why don't any of these huge million-pound funded trans orgs or TRA celebs make one?why don't they take a leaf out of jk's book and actually support their community as they claim such support is so desperately needed. no one is preventing any of them from creating trans shelters.
No. 7472
>>7419I think they do really believe it because TRA rhetoric parrots other legitimate liberation movements. Like SRS, the original ideas are butchered into a crude imitation and upon inspection you can easily see that but the social pressure is so greatly against really interrogating those ideas. So they follow along assuming that second guessing it would be like second guessing if homophobia or racism is wrong. The whole game has been a fantastic bit of jiu jitsu, using people's goodwilled desire to live and let live against themselves until they're cornered into going along with preposterous and regressive ideas.
If you dare to try to wake them up, it helps to point out the double standards that still privilege males, like TIMs being the social media reps for tampon companies instead of TIFs, or headlines erasing the word "woman" but using the word "man", or how male transphobes are pursued less aggressively than so-called TERFs when the latter is far less dangerous to trans people than the former. Or you can play dumb and ask questions to try to understand the ideology until they inevitably end up in knots.
No. 9249
>>7534>the real problem is more likely that they're simply ignorant about the issue. Most of them write off demented AGPs as not True Trans and their conception of a trans person is the meek HSTS minding his own business or the chill FTM from their friend groupThis is why when you want to peak a TRA/handmaiden friend you have to start lightly by showing them those AGP troons under the guise that it's the "bad" ones who ruin it for other (real) trans people. They will only listen if they think it helps the poor innocent (real) trans people, so you have to cherry pick some (plenty to choose from) diaper fetish AGPs and act like they're disgusting for trying to turn being trans into a fetish, just like those bigoted right wing conservatives are saying they are!!!
Then you move onto the sexist and fetish ones "a REAL trans woman wouldn't be so sexist to (cis) women", "a real woman wouldn't send cis women rape threats" etc. Gotta lightly guide them to peak without telling them directly what to think.
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>>9368This is agenda of modern media.
Appear to support feminism, but in reality make it work against women. Make it look like feminism focuses on unimportant issues, make it sound illogical with bad arguments and most importantly, make it include and be dictated by men (trans). Meanwhile try to portray actual feminism as hate and extremism.
On the other hand, appear not to anti-feminism, right wing and conservatism but still make it look more sane than "crazy illogical feminism".
And then boom, you have abortion rights being taken away in USA and men are getting control over women, again. Meanwhile VICE gets dumbfucks to represent "feminist" side of debate and supports women by constantly warning women to know their place and that men in dresses come first, always.