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No. 4098

Gender critical and radical feminism define gender as sociological (feminine/masculine) and sex as biological (female/male). Woman is defined as an adult human female. Radical feminists seek to abolish gender as it is used by patriarchy to oppress women socially, reproductively, and financially. They strive to preserve women's spaces (such as restrooms, locker rooms, and health care providers) and areas of artistic and intellectual expression separate from men.

Trans ideology posits that one's gender is self-determined based on one's feelings and defines woman as the characteristics and behaviors traditionally ascribed to females by society. Increasingly, transactivists are conflating gender and sex and asserting that a person can self-identify both gender and sex.

Gender critical feminists strive to maintain the distinction between gender and sex. The conflation of gender and sex erases the biological reality of women, eliminates women-only spaces, and disestablishes women as a protected class. Existing laws and legislation currently being passed around the world allowing for self-identification on legal documents do not differentiate between gender and sex.

The acronym TERF (Trans-Exclusionary Radical Feminism) is used primarily by transactivists and their allies to denigrate radical feminists and other women who express gender critical ideas. Transactivists portray TERFs as violent oppressors by virtue of their ideas alone.

Posts of related news and web articles are welcome. Posts of photos, videos, and blogs of transactivists for the purposes of discussion and critique are welcome. Please refrain from derailing, infighting, and ad hominem attacks. This thread is not intended for the general discussion of feminism, sexuality, misogyny, or misandry.

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No. 4099

We've already noticed how contradictory TRA ideology is, but can we compile all of the ways they contradict themselves? For example
>anyone who currently identifies as [gender] is [gender]
>gender is fluid and may change
>always respect people's gender identities, they know themselves better than anyone else
but
>detransitioners were never trans to begin with
>"MTFs were never male/FTMs were never female"
>"[trans-identified criminal] is not actually trans!"
>the entire concept of "eggs"

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No. 4120

>>4099
>a lesbian that doesn't want to date a MTF or a gay that doesn't want to date a FTM, are "genital obsessed" and transphobic
but
>TRAs want to implement terms such as "uterus-havers", defining people by their genitals

>TRAs and trannies are proud of being trans whenever it is convenient, for example calling others transphobic, begging for representation, or acting like a disadvantaged minority.

but
>TRAs and trannies do not want to be seen as "transgender" or different at all, and insist that they are biological women or men. Do not want to be separated into trans-specific sports or bathrooms, want to invade women's spaces instead

No. 4126

There was an anon on one of the tranny threads who said someone would call her autistic for not supporting trannies and I feel similar to her. What can you even do when you disagree with them and are forced to be in trans friendly spaces? I'm autistic too which makes everything worse, everyone will default to tacking being unsupportive of trannies to just another one of my weird behaviors instead of a normal reaction.

No. 4127

>>4126
It's as another anon in that thread put it: if this were happening years ago, you'd be labeled "hysterical," but that's frowned upon now, so you're called autistic for caring. They're gonna find a word to discredit your feelings no matter what. It means they don't care what you have to say. If it's someone you care about you can try to reply calmly and present facts to them, but if it's someone who doesn't give a shit about you then you're probably better off just disengaging. People who are worth talking to most likely won't pull that with you, because your concerns DO matter.

No. 4128

>>4126
I think you could call it ableism at that point if they think your opinions and feelings are solely caused by autism. If tranny autists can mutilate themselves and are not questioned for it, it shows that they do think autistics are capable of thinking for themselves and are not mentally retarded like everyone seems to think.

No. 4141

>>4099
>Nonbinary people don't owe you androgyny
but
>Androgynous people owe you nonbinary

(By which I refer to GNC men and women constantly being asked if they're nonbinary/trans or being pressured to identify as such)

No. 4143

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Parents File Lawsuit After 12-Year-Old Girl Attempts Suicide Twice at School After Secret Meetings

https://www.theepochtimes.com/parents-file-lawsuit-after-12-year-old-girl-attempts-suicide-twice-at-school-after-secret-meetings_4247010.html

After a 12-year-old girl attempted suicide on school property twice after months of secret meetings with a school counselor, her parents have filed a lawsuit.

On Jan. 5, Wendel and Maria Perez received a call from Destiny Washington, who identified herself as a school counselor at Paterson Elementary School (PES) in Fleming Island, Florida, part of Clay County District Schools. Washington told Mr. and Mrs. Perez they needed to come to the school immediately. Washington said it was about their daughter, a sixth-grader, but would not reveal any further information.

When the Perezes arrived at the school they waited in the lobby for 20 minutes before someone came to escort them to a room where Washington, PES Principal John O’Brian, Vice Principal Courtney Schumacher, and a Clay County Schools Police officer were waiting. Mr. and Mrs. Perez were instructed to sit down. According to the federal lawsuit obtained by The Epoch Times—filed Jan. 24 by Child and Parental Rights Campaign, Inc. on behalf of Mr. and Mrs. Perez—Washington told the Perezes the reason they were called to the school was because their daughter “had tried to commit suicide by hanging herself in the school restroom.”

Washington then informed the parents the reason why their daughter tried to kill herself was “because of her gender identity issue” and the fact they would “would not be in agreement with these changes” because of “their Christian Catholic religious beliefs.” As the Perezes sat reeling, Washington stunned them again. The Jan. 5 suicide attempt was the second effort. Their daughter had also tried to hang herself the day before. Without explaining how the child survived the first attempt, Washington insisted school staff was not aware of the first attempt prior to the second.

According to the complaint, the daughter sought guidance from the counselor because she was being bullied. She liked video games, which is something her peers say boys do. A friend “confided she thought she was transgender,” and the girl thought she could be transgender as well because “she wanted to be strong and free ‘like a boy.'” When the child went to speak to Washington, she saw “a lot of posters, literature, and other promotional materials related to LGBTQ ‘pride’ in Washinton’s office.” The girl “thought those materials were ‘cool’ and asked Washington if she supported transgender people.” Washington said she did, at which point the child told Washington, “In that case call me ‘M’ and ‘he.’”

Through weekly private meetings over the next few months, the complaint alleges Washington endorsed the belief that the child “could be a boy” and called her by the male name and pronouns. Washinton promised she would not tell the girl’s parents. However, the promise of confidentiality did not extend to the child’s peers. Washington began addressing the child by the male name in front of her friends without the girl’s permission. The child was humiliated. The bullying, for which she sought help from Washington, escalated. As the child became more confused and depressed, Washington told the girl she would get all of the teachers to start calling her by the male name.

After being told their daughter had tried twice to hang herself on school property because their Christian Catholic beliefs conflicted with her new identity and being told they had been kept in the dark about the months of private meetings because of “confidentiality issues,” the Clay County Schools Police officer then informed Mr. and Mrs. Perez that their daughter had already been placed in the back of a police car and was going to be transported to a mental health facility under the Baker Act, regardless of whether or not they approved.

According to the complaint, Mr. and Mrs. Perez “were not given the option of transporting their traumatized daughter to the facility or even traveling with her to provide comfort. Instead, their suicidal 12-year-old daughter was taken in a police vehicle to an emergency room, where she stayed until 4 a.m. when she was transferred alone, without the comfort and/or support of her parents, to another emergency room and then admitted to the behavioral health unit at Wolfson Children’s Hospital.”

Named in the lawsuit are David Broskie (individually, and in his official capacity as Superintendent of Clay County District Schools), John O’Brian (individually, and in his official capacity as Principal of Paterson Elementary School), Courtney Schumacher (individually, and in her official capacity as Assistant Principal of Paterson Elementary School), and Destiny Washington (individually, and in her official capacity as counselor at Paterson Elementary School). Twelve causes are outlined. A jury trial is demanded.

The Father’s Story

“This counselor said we were there because our daughter tried to commit suicide,” Wendel Perez recalled of that day to The Epoch Times. “The counselor alleged that it was because of her gender identity issue, and they knew we would not be in agreement because of our religious beliefs. We’re Catholic Christians. When I asked why they didn’t notify us about these surreptitious meetings with the school counselor, we were told by an administrator that confidentiality issue prevented them from telling us about them.”

“Confidentiality” was the same reason given to January Littlejohn after she discovered school officials in Leon County, Florida, held a private meeting with her daughter. As reported by The Epoch Times on Aug. 23, several school officials met with her daughter in secret to draft a “transgender gender nonconforming student support plan,” which was used to record her child’s new non-binary status, “preferred name,” and “preferred pronouns.” The 13-year-old child was even allowed to determine she would “be comfortable rooming w/either sex” on overnight school tips without the knowledge or consent of the parents. Staff also decided the parents would not be informed of anything involved in “implementing this plan,” and staff were instructed not to “include gender-specific pronouns when speaking w/parents.”

Perez said when he and his wife arrived at the hospital, they were under the impression their daughter was going to be with someone. But they discovered their daughter had been by herself the whole time. More disturbing was when she was moved into the behavioral health unit, where one of the staff members called their daughter by the boy’s name used by Washington. Perez said his daughter immediately corrected the staff member, saying that was not her name and she told him her real name. What Perez wants to know is how the hospital staff member knew to address his daughter by the fictitious name in the first place. “Who was in charge? Perez asked rhetorically. “We weren’t allowed to go with her. The school was in charge. The school provided all of the information to the hospital. The school coordinated with the hospital.”

She was away from us for a week, with limited access to family,” Perez said. “Then she was released to us on January 12, and she’s been with us since then.”

Asked how his daughter was doing now, Perez said “she’s doing great. She’s a happy girl like she was before. She is relieved she isn’t at the school anymore and she does not want to go back. She is getting her schoolwork from her teachers and doing her work from home.”

No. 4144

>>4143
What the fuck, that poor girl

No. 4146

>>4143
grotesque

No. 4155

>>4141
You put it so simply and beautifully. It's been bothering me for some time now.

No. 4158

I follow bodyful on snapchat because I thought it could give me easy workout tips and such. I didn't use snapchat for a long time but now that I've returned to it due to excruciating boredom I find it has become absolute garbage. There's too many clips of men just groping and harassing women at the gym. Clearly staged, or at least I fucking hope they're staged but what the fuck?? Even though the clips seem to condemn the men it seems gross and so wrong. Who the fuck makes that content? And the clips really have no context. It's just a woman working out, minding her business and out of nowhere comes a man and gropes her.

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I wish I had friends in my country who do not worship the feet under troons. I lost my previous friend group of almost 10 years at least partly because I could not keep my fucking mouth shut about my radfem views. It started with me being naive and thinking saying "hormones should not be given to kids" is a normal view to have - that triggered my friends nonbinary girlfriend to have a panic attack and crying. Other friends best friend is a FtM Aiden who brags about all the dick they are sucking and what kind of pocket pussies they have bough (for what purpose??). Well, it's been a couple of years now, it doesn't matter any more.

I don't know if I would fit into any legitimate feminist groups either, since my humor has been tainted my years and years of image board browsing, and I tend to laugh at some non-PC jokes occasionally.

It's just frustrating. I wish I knew this before accidentally stumbling upon gc thoughts. I would have closed my eyes, kept my mouth shut and kept repeating TWAW in my head

No. 4161

>>4160
I feel you. My friend is slowly coming out of the closet and got offended when I called him a man. I gotta be really careful not to out my terfy views because he's woke~ and so are everyone else around me. I wish I had someone irl to share my feelings and views about all the tranny bullshit and all the manhate I have inside of me. I just wonder, when did people become so fucking sensitive that mentioning a fact, their biological sex that is VERY obvious to EVERYONE, make them feel unsafe and uncomfortable. Go to fucking therapy maybe.

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>>4161
Oh god, my condolences anon. Must be fun trying to be a little handmaiden for his delusions and smile along (that sounded derogatory, I was not meaning that sorry lol).

Funny that you mention therapy - from observing one of my only remaining friend's journey through psychology university degree, therapists are "brainwashed" into the gender speak already in school. It is very much libfem central over there, even though the people that get into the school are very intelligent, as they only take in like 1% of applicants.

I recently started a genetics course in my university, I almost burst out laughing at the professor talking about intersex mutations. He just described them as flat out abnormalities and how some, like XYY, are more prominent in prison population since it causes aggressiveness etc. It was such a different approach to what I am used to in social media. (I'm all for intersex rights and shit and I don't think they are freak or anything it was just so shocking)

No. 4163

>>4162
I'm sure that's the case with therapists in here too. They care more about money and their woke image rather than trying to help for real I think. Worst case scenario they'll reinforce his delusions and he'll actually start properly identifying as a nonbinary or even a female.. For now it's "I'm not comfortable with my sex being pointed out" and he has called himself femme and queer. I just cringe on the inside and try to not say anything bad. It's really hard though. I almost snapped when he said he'd totally wear a bra. I questioned why he would since he's a _man_ and doesn't _need_ them and he almost flipped over that.

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>>4163
I don't blame the therapists, I believe some want to seem woke just out of fear. I has (or is proposed to become?) actually illegal to become anything but affirming, since it is "conversion therapy". They could lose their job they have spent years and god knows how much money getting. I've seen some reddit screenshots of people complaining they were not cleared for HRT, and wonder if they should report the doctor / therapist for mistreatment…

Lol the bra thing makes me think of a twitter post I saw recently, something about women deserving comfortable bras or go braless. OF COURSE some fucking brave and stunning fat scrote was in the replies telling how putting his moobs in bras make HIM feel so euphoric and feminine uwu :3c At least some women told him to fuck off. I have seen some rise in pushback towards these fuckers, I hope more people come to their senses.

No. 4165

>>4164
Trying to force lesbians to accept "girldick" and gays "boypussy" is conversion therapy if anything. We live in a sick, dark era.

No. 4166

>>4164
I hope all this tranny pandering dies out soon. I'm sick of it. I'm physically nauseated that it has spread deep into my peers.

No. 4167

test

No. 4168

>>4167
oh ok so /2X/ isn't broken

No. 4169

>>4168
What's with the other boards?
I've been trying to vent in ot but it just won't let me but glad this fits here too. I had to tell a bra size calculator if I was afab or amab and it felt like a slap in the face.

No. 4170

We 2X posting today girls~

No. 4172

>>4168
Interesting. Was just coming to check this out for myself. Too bad it's so dead here.

No. 4173

>>4169
Ew, wtf.

No. 4174

This feels like the secret, elite board

No. 4176

>>4175
YWNBAW, 41%, all trannies should hang

No. 4179

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You will only lose… your blind faith in trans ideology!

No. 4180

The fuck? Ot still not working? 4 days? #spoiler hi nonnies #spoiler

No. 4200

>>4179
Damn, I was gonna post this in the mtf or the ftm board on /snow/. They're so cult-like it's insane. Public opinion pleeeeaaaase pivot quickly.

No. 4232

>>4200
Bleak but, I used to be a pickme mra antifeminist retard before the trans thing blew up. It finally opened my eyes to the reality that males really do hate all women and that I wasn't special or different, just a useful idiot. I told myself I was nlog to protect my ego from the crushing reality that we actually do live in a fucking patriarchy and that feminists were right all along. I'm not sure that would have happened if I didn't see everyone bending over backwards to protect obviously mentally ill degenerate coomer scrotes. It was in looking for a different take on the trans issue that I started reading things written from a woman's perspective. I had been subconsciously avoiding anything created by women because I had been so conditioned to think "they" (we) were inferior idiots, and that only by reading and watching men could I become better. I was actually shocked by how articulate and reasonable women are. The lies of the mra movement became so embarrassingly obvious I couldn't believe I ever entertained them. In a fucked up way I have to thank the trans movement for waking me up from that nightmare, and I feel like I'm not the only one. This may be overly optimistic, but I feel like the women's rights movement will only get stronger. The sexism inherent to trans ideology is so blatant that it works as a litmus test to see who actually has compassion for women and who is just pretending for social cred. It forces you to confront the most comical, overly exaggerated textbook form of sexism, and watching people fumble with this concept is the blackest pill. I will never be able to go back. I will never unsee the truth. And I don't think I'm alone. I sense a rage bubbling beneath the surface, a class consciousness beginning to form. I see it in comment sections, in tiktoks, in passing remarks. I have hope for the future, the more oppressive trans ideology gets, the more undeniable feminism becomes. We may be too scared to speak publically at the moment, but that only stokes the fire in our hearts. From each and every injustice those small fires will quietly but steadily grow until someday becoming an inferno; and when that day comes, I don't think men will be ready.

Sorry for the blog and fanfiction.

No. 4244

>>4232
>The sexism inherent to trans ideology is so blatant that it works as a litmus test to see who actually has compassion for women
Well said, absolutely true

No. 4252

>>4232
I think it is especially blatant how sexist everything still is because left leaning men accept transgenderism. After accepting that sexism and stereotypes were bad, they now completely embrace it as long as it is seen as the correct thing to do by other progressives. They would probably parrot that a womans place is in the home if other progressives began parroting it, even if it's against what they've embraced previously.

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I feel a little better seeing that the news in my country don't pander to degenerate troons.

There was this news article about a TIM who abused a minor, and the article always refers to the abuser as male, only using his "female name" in quotation marks.
In the past year there's been a chunk of the teenage population that's been pushing for all this gender special bullshit but I'm glad to see it's not catching up where it actually matters.

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On the one hand I appreciate he came out and said him turning transgender and then non-binary was all stuff of his fucked up psyche, but on the other hand, how could he be stopped when the only person who did refuse to his delusions was fired and then "cancelled" by him? Most of the people on his way were afraid of that but he also accuses them of not doing anything. It's a weird situation which played a huge part in the non-binary shit we have today.

Despite "accusing" people for not stopping him in the whole article, at least he doesn't victimize himself in the last sentences.

https://www.dailysignal.com/2019/03/10/i-was-americas-first-non-binary-person-it-was-all-a-sham/

No. 4302

i see more and more moids accusing feminists/women in general of allowing trannies to take over women's spaces. what's the basis of that line of thinking?

No. 4303

>>4302
They think everything they believe is SJW is the same, so a women supporting feminism must also support intersectionality, which became intersectional feminism which involved trannies. Basically, they think feminists want to be men, and not want equal treatment in fields where sex is irrelevant/almost wholly irrelevant sans evo-psych retardation, denial of it being always relevant in their mind is denial of sex at all. Like people thought women wanting the right to vote was about being men, and not literally just having fucking freedom to affect the country the same as men are allowed.

No. 4304

>>4302
They see it as punishment for disagreeing with them on/fighting womens oppression. Ironically they ignore mens hand in it, even the republican party voters and non-feminists, etc. Some are against it on both the right and left (sometimes for the same and sometimes for different reasons) and some are for it on the right and left (again for different reasons, left for acceptance and right for fixing homosexuality). They believe being against stereotypes is being against the existance of sex since they stereotype the sexes as things which have no biological basis (women liking pink, having a certain personality, etc). Feminists deny and fight against stereotypes so they believe they deny biological sex since they think sex stereotypes are inherent. In the end the real culprit is Big Pharma and the government pushing top down to make money since the government runs on donations from businesses which benefit from the trans movement.

No. 4306

>>4302
Most moids literally cannot grasp the concept that gender roles are not the same as biological sex. They think women not wanting to be domestic sex slave barbies is the same as denying the existence of x any y chromosomes.

We are being "punished" for rebuking our contrived, subservient role because that's all the see women as.

No. 4309

>>4306
>Most moids literally cannot grasp the concept that gender roles are not the same as biological sex
Absolutely this, it's just their XY mental disability

No. 4311

>>4302
This line of thinking has been brewing for years. I remember way back in the gamergate days incels were salivating at the mouth over the thought of feminists "getting what's coming to them". Videos of women getting beaten "feminist gets a taste of equality!" were popular. Moids on the chans fully supported trans just to spite the uppity bitches who told them their videogames and porn were gross. It also coincided with red pill picking up steam. It's just a revenge fantasy for them, if you're not a virgin trad wife then you must be a liberal roastie slut who is going to bring about the collapse of society. Even normie males conveniently ignore the fact that the problem wouldn't exist without pornsick scrotes because that would require self reflection.

No. 4312

>>4252
This really fucked me up. I have had multiple liberal male friends tell me to literally shut up for saying that the trans movement feels a little sexist. They didn't even try to have a conversation, just straight up told me to stop talking or shout TWAW. These people who used to be so relaxed and chill all of a sudden care SO MUCH about trans rights. One of them I'm certain is a closeted tranny, the other idk. I'll never see them the same way again, not even if they change when it stops being popular. They are no friend to women.

No. 4316

>>4302
They're referring to the handmaidens and libfems who opened the floodgates in the first place. This is why only women can put a stop to this, we are the ones who relaxed our boundaries and let it happen. We gave TIMs an inch by initially referring to HSTS as "she" and now we're legally being erased from our own language, privacy, protections, and freedom of association. When we never should have given TIMs an inch. Moids are laughing at us because they have a strong sense of class consciousness and women generally don't. In fact, it is class consciousness that makes moids indifferent to or accepting of TIMs, because they see TIMs as men and the trans movement as another branch of men's rights. Moids know exactly who they're supporting when they parrot TWAW. Meanwhile, women still can't agree on who is a woman and who isn't. And while we were busy fighting among ourselves, TRAs made it a hate crime for women to speak the truth, which is why so many of us don't. Which is why moids now get off on feminists "eating each other."

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More proof its all misogyny

No. 4318

>>4317
No. This fucking cannot be real.

No. 4320

If I hear the words validation, safe space or anything related to educating people about pronouns again I'm going to flip. First of all the tip posts about pronouns and how to correctly use them with your friends are incredible patronizing. This one post started with "safety first!"
>ask if it's private information
well no, how about you fucking tell me if it's private information from the beginning. It's not my job to coddle you. Then they suggested practicing using the pronouns. Do they think we're retarded? There's too many guide posts on how to coddle the gender specials. Make it stop.
And the constant need to validate them.. Validation is needed with everything, it's gone beyond this gender crap with a few of my friends. They need to be validated for the tiniest things and I am done. They also say they do not feel safe when I don't comply with their whims. How are you unsafe when you are at the privacy of your own home many many miles away from me, completely alone? Your own bullshit ideas are the ones hurting your feefees, not me. I am not an unsafe person if I refuse to go along with your validation and gender shit.

No. 4321

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Hey gc anons, I am coming from the regular vent thread in /ot/ because I think my vent was so heavily gc related that it probably fits better here. So my longtime friend who I have known literally since we were both babies shared this tweet and said it was a "good point" and it made me so upset I almost went off at her in dms, even though we never fight and she is generally a very sweet person. I was so furious that someone could see surgeries women are often pressured into by men's expectations like BA and cosmetic labial surgery as "gender affirming" as though looking like a porn star caricature somehow makes you look "like a woman." It's only "gender affirming" in the sense that it does work to legitimize and affirm the bullshit concept of gender identity, but of course that is not what the poster or she meant in spreading this idea. I am also deeply disgusted that such a line of logic could be used to justify stunting a young girl's growth and giving her a life threatening mastectomy to remove healthy tissue, as though the only options for a young girl to see in her future are being a bimbo or a surgical imitation of a man. It's just so wrong and I am incredibly disappointed, I don't know how an otherwise intelligent and caring person like my friend came to believe something like this. I'm glad in the end I decided not to confront her because she would probably just hate me forever for being a terf, but either way I feel like we can't be as close anymore. We already grew apart a bit because we live in different cities now, but after this I just need to distance myself from her overall. It sucks.

No. 4322

>>4321
Samefag, and even the things on here that aren't cosmetic procedures are just fucking healthcare, not "gender affirming" anything. Postmenopausal women are not men. I hate when they are used to leverage gender ideology so much.

No. 4324

>>4321
I lost too many braincells from reading that tweet.

No. 4334

This gender bullshit is seeping into my interests slowly but surely and I'm getting quite miffed. One photo post literally was tagged with just "GENDER GENDER GENDER GENDER GENDER", like what the fuck? I am utterly confused and fucking fed up with this bullshit. Yeah he looks good, sure you'd probably want to look as good as him too but liking the way this dude looks isn't making you a man nor handsome. I hope to god none of these girls spewing this crap think that taking testosterone is going to make them as handsome as some guy from the fucking 80's.

No. 4335

I was watching Repzion's video about Trisha because I wanted a recap of her drama, but I had to laugh at the trans part.

Trisha said she feels like she's a gay man because she's "attracted to men, but not as a woman, as a gay man" or something like that. She says she's more attracted to gay men than straight men and doesn't like men looking at her and sexualizing her as a woman. She doesn't like wearing makeup or sexualizing herself. Daniel is freaking out and saying "you can still be a masculine woman! you can still be a feminine man! not liking makeup doesn't make you a man" etc. except THAT'S LITERALLY WHAT THEIR LOGIC IS and they try to say that women who aren't super feminine are actually men. He says how she's trivializing what it means to be trans and acting like it's just a costume or something. But if you listen to them they always mention makeup, like when Blaire White had a video about why he's trans he literally said that "making himself look pretty for men" is a natural female trait. Not to mention I've seen hundreds of troons saying how they're actually women because they love wearing high heels and being objectified etc etc.

Yet she got a ton of backlash from the trans community? K. Lmao. It would make more sense if they just called her out for being hypocritical (that she wears a lot of makeup a lot, has sexualized herself quite a bit in the past). Trisha a shit human, but still.

No. 4338

>>4335
I think she's trolling this way on purpose kek

No. 4369

Just wondering, are there any trans characters in recent media portrayed in actual same-sex relationships (TIM/TIM and TIF/TIF couples also count) anymore? The only examples I can think of are from the 90s or early 00s, while in recent media literally all trans characters with relationship arcs are shown in opposite-sex "same gender" relationships. How did the trans community evolve from mostly self-hating homosexuals to mostly narcissistic heterosexuals?

No. 4370

>>4369
Have you seen the commercials for the new season of "ex on the beach" ? It's supposed to be a reality TV show where exs are put on a beach together but the commercials only show the tranny and his boyfriend the whole time, they are clearly going to be the main focus on the show. It was disgusting too because within the first few seconds they have his bulge on full display in a woman's bikini.

No. 4404

hey girlies i was wondering if anyone has any podcast/audio based media recs? i assume they're not gonna have radfem/terf/GC in their names to prevent being harassed by random TRAs so I haven't really been able to find anything myself

No. 4415

>>4404
>The Mess We're In with Graham Linehan, Helen Staniland and ArtyMorty
>Feminist Current by Meghan Murphy
>Suffragette City Radio (don't have recent stuff but some good older eps)
>You're Kiddin', Right? by Karen Davis (Youtube channel but they're basically all audio-centric, she's great)

No. 4420

>>4415
thank you so much i love you!!

No. 4425

Hi anons, apologies if this is the wrong thread for this sort of thing. I just want someone who can relate, I try to talk to my boyfriend but I don’t think men can understand things like SCUM. I’m reading the scum manifesto and I wanted to figure out a way to distribute it throughout campus (I’m thinking of a QR code sticker that links to the pdf because I’m an ecofag and don’t want people throwing away a bunch of printed zines) and I thought of all the TIFs who might read it. I thought it might be empowering to them to realize there’s no shame in being female from Solanas’s point of view, since women are all positive attributes: sincerity, individuality, empathy, strength, independence. It got me thinking that maybe girls transition to male/non-binary because they can’t relate to the male-created theory that women are all things male: passive, insecure, timid (from Solanas’s point of view). So they transition from women (negative attributes) to men (positive attributes) because societal implications of their sex don’t align with how they see themselves. Essentially their internal misogyny becomes externalized as they reject female pronouns and potentially female hormones. Just my autist take on things. I’m going crazy reading Solanas and having nobody to talk to about it too so I wish I could just pink pill my whole liberal campus.

No. 4428

>>4425
I love your idea! It would be nice to make radfem theory more accessible, especially since a lot of the books are out of print and mostly found online as pdfs, and it feels like a lot of people just don't know it's out there. I love SCUM too, although I'm not sure I would use it to introduce people. A QR code sticker sounds like a good bet though, if you can get some printed. I used to have a link to a collection of PDFs of Dworkin's work too, I could try and dig it out of my bookmarks if you're looking for any.
It's honestly a shame how repressed their writing is, because I feel like Solanas and Dworkin and so many other feminist authors had such a viscerally beautiful way with words.
If you're looking for a slightly less anonymous community to discuss this stuff, I really suggest making a Tumblr and connecting with radfems on there. We have a pretty big community, used to have some issues with drama but I don't think it's nearly as much of a problem anymore.

No. 4430

>>4428

Drop some usernames to follow, nonny, I haven't been on Tumblr for years but would join for sisterhood

No. 4431

>>4428
Yes, amazing! I would love the file of pdfs. Also would be down for those tumblr URLs. I was thinking once people read “society for cutting up men” they’re going to roll their eyes, do you have anything that’s a more gradual intro to radfem theory? I just recently bought Intercourse by Dworkin so I’ll see what I think of that. blog: I love my boyfriend and he’s a very man’s man - I love that he’s protective and helpful. Reading radfem theory almost makes me feel guilty that I’m not a politilez though, I cry

No. 4432

>Getting japanese news recommended to you on yt since you've been studying
>Suddenly this shit
Ugh. Literally no scape. Feel bad for his daughters.

No. 4438

>>4432
I hate how passively accepting Japanese people are of troons since they believe in shit like "female souls" or "female brains". Lmao if this was in South Korea people would drag that troon for filth.

No. 4439

>>4369
>How did the trans community evolve from mostly self-hating homosexuals to mostly narcissistic heterosexuals?
Honestly, handmadens giving AGPs a platform and trying to snuff out HSTS
The more that happened, the more AGPs joined in and now there's fuck all HSTS in comparison
It's really a shame because I'd be okay with the existance of HSTS (maybe not even sharing spaces with them. okay trama-nonies?) but AGPs should be having every move they make monitored, not being emboldened

No. 4442

nayrt

>>4430
jenniferortriss
rf-times
femmeandfanged
lesbihonest-art
goyangii
captainsavealibfem
radicallyaligned

>>4431
Links to pdfs of radfem books:
https://radfem-resources.tumblr.com/post/631305601928003584/radclub-library
https://radfem-resources.tumblr.com/post/621637557474803712/bell-hooks-resources
https://radfem-resources.tumblr.com/post/626245176791285760/feminist-literary-resources-masterpost?is_related_post=1

Also, being a political lesbian is really fucking stupid. Don't do that.

No. 4444

>>4439
This, also the internet let's people be more narcissistic in general and men are exposed to porn constantly now, meaning higher rates of objectifying women (leading to AGP/developing bizarre fetishes. It's a combo of narcissism, porn addiction, and lovebombing from online communities.

No. 4467

>>4442
Oh gosh, I meant to check the board to see if anyone wanted links but I forgot, thank you for your service! I think that's where I got my pdfs too.
>>4431
For an intro, I really love Cordelia Fine's Delusions of Gender. I feel like she's a little more low-key, and while it was published in 2010 and the "woke" language has changed quite a bit since, it's not the kind of stuff that would immediately turn off a casual normie TRA type. It breaks down the myth of brain sex and goes into how socialization affects men and women, but particularly women. It even discusses a study on how it can impact (passing, old school HSTS mostly) trans women, and it's a pretty good deflection against TERF accusations without pretending they're actually women. It's been a little while since I read it, but I also remember it being pretty funny and easy to get through. I don't think it really hits you over the head with the radfem theory, but I do think it would be hard to read and understand it without coming to those conclusions yourself. I think I got my pdf from the same blog the other anon linked, but if it isn't there I could try to figure out a way to post it.
>>4430
Other anon's recommendations are great, I'll add a few of my own. Some are strictly political but a few are just funny gals or also talk about their cool hobbies, it's nice to have a mix so radblr doesn't feel like doomscrolling.
antiplondon
opabiniawillreturn
kronkk
magnetictapedatastorage
d3nt4l-d4m4g3
queen-mayhem
long-leggged-socialist
meangirlpolitics
balkanradfem

No. 4483

Exulansic is one of the most important and articulate lesbian voices on this subject right now. She has been permanently banned from YouTube. Despite the retarded nitpicks about her penchant for medfagging in the MTF threads, she is still dangerously based and was generating mass peakenings at an alarming rate until she met the banhammer. She makes compelling arguments about the trans movement operating like a new age cult, and she regularly blows the whistle the medical and psychological harms concerning frankendicks and rotpckets using troons' own testimonies. Highly recommend checking her out and supporting if you can.

https://odysee.com/@Exulansic
https://rumble.com/c/c-1219804
https://www.instagram.com/exulansic/

No. 4484

>>4483
Yes, I also love how she compares the gender cult to a religion. It totally is. They literally believe in a gender soul that can only be 'freed' once they mutilate their bodies, and shun the non-believers like heretics. Luckily I'm on TERF island but if I ever get some genderfag coming up to me asking me about my pronouns or whatever, I will say "Oh, I'm not religious".
I'm pissed she got yeeted from Youtube though. I worry the likes of Posie Parker and Karen Davis will be next. I know Posie isn't necessarily radfem but she is still based nonetheless, and I see her getting more radicalised as time goes on. I also fear Magdalen Burns will have her treasured channel removed one day too. Even beyond the grave, she continues to peak people daily.

No. 4493

It’s so disheartening taking my kiddo to the park and having everyone think she’s a boy just because she likes dinosaurs and I don’t make her wear pink and pigtails. Like my kid is two stop trying to assign gender roles to her. It’s always the parents with their girls in really feminine tutus and hot pink clothes too.
My mother is now kept away because she makes comments too. My own boss is talking about how people are going to want to transition my little girl one day because she’s not “feminine” enough. Fuck all these people and this movement.

No. 4494

>>4493
I'm so sorry for you and your daughter.

Your boss is right, though. She will get pressure to trans, and it probably be from her peers and teachers. You need to get ahead of it and talk to her about this. I mean, not now. But like once she starts elementary school, especially if your school public school system is in thrall to gender identity. Read Irreversible Damage and books like that so you can be aware of the arguments that will be used to try to convince her to transition. Also, make sure she doesn't spend a ton of time online. That's a huge gateway for this.

I'm so sorry you have to go through all this just because your daughter is tomboy. The world is so fucked up.

No. 4499

>>4442
>>4467
thank you anons! and thank you about the political lesbian comment ily

No. 4522

there's so many trannies joining a discord i'm in. a few ugly ones got their photos deleted from the selfie channel and then they whined and bitched. not our fault you ruined your body with hormones that weren't meant for you and now you look like a fucked up emo creature with a pedo stash. one of them said she was "scared to post here" because "i'm like… trans hot. iykyk." YOURE NOT HOT JUST BECAUSE OTHER MENTALLY ILL FAGS WANT TO HAVE DISGUSTING "SEX" WITH YOU!! if we say you're ugly, you're fucking ugly. live with it, you did it to yourself. and the discord isn't even terfy, it's mostly straight female faghags and gay men. we just don't like ugly people. i really think that as they get weirder and weirder, less people are going to be "uwu you're so valid and gorgeous/handsome" because they're objectively not the slightest bit attractive to anyone besides other genderfreaks. rant over, i can't expose my views there unfortunately.

No. 4529

>>4320
>They also say they do not feel safe when I don't comply with their whims. How are you unsafe when you are at the privacy of your own home many many miles away from me, completely alone?
kek so true though. I like how sometimes they'll just say BLOCK ME BLOCK ME BLOCK ME

No. 4562

Not sure if this is the right thread, but do any of you nonnas have tips for finding out if someone is gc or gc-adjacent in real life without outing yourself? I want more real life gc friends but I'm scared of ruining friendships with otherwise lovely people because they think I'm a bigot or something. I'm gen Z in a pretty liberal area so it isn't possible for me to cut out everyone who believes in gender shit, there's way too many of them.

No. 4564

>>4562
I guess you could just casually slip in some TRA rhetoric into ur conversations and see what their responses are. Like yesterday I was talking to a girl and eventually Lia Thomas came up and I said that maybe he has an advantage since he went through puberty as a man already and is much bigger. She agreed and said maybe transwomen shouldn't compete with women at all. And as the conversation continued we opened up more and more with a little more controversial opinions until we realized we were both gc.

No. 4575

>>4562
Generally I'm just very open about feminism and if they're TRAs, they'll whine and derail with moid gender shit. If they don't do that, you'll eventually end up at the truth that misogyny oppresses female people for being female, and then you've basically got your answer.
They could also be conservative but tbh even conservative women hate men half the time. They'll cushion everything with "I'm not a feminist, but-" and "Of course not all men, but-" but half the time all they need is another woman who's safe to share their real thoughts with.

No. 4625

>>4562
I have found that most women that aren’t blatant handmaidens are at least doubtful about it but often feel they are in the minority, once you get them one on one and make it clear they won’t be judged for their views they usually are relieved to express themselves. I’ve always been the sort of person not to judge people openly, so people tell me things anyway, but the way I did it was to say “I know it must be really hard for trans people, and obviously they need to be protected. But, I’m just not sure if what the activists are asking for is always compatible with women and children’s rights.” They are either clued up or ask for more info and by the end of the convo they are fully converted and will be crypto with you

No. 4644

I vented about this elsewhere but I hate that the grad school program I am about to join has too many trannies. Students are being asked for their pronouns and I am going to start refusing to give them my pronouns. It makes me feel embarrassed and ashamed of attending this university and I think I am starting to get depressed over it. I really need friends who are gender critical.

No. 4645

There's often a lot of discourse in these threads about why society is obligated to entertain the delusions of trans people but not schizos or ana-chans. It all boils down to dick good, woman bad. Society must ALWAYS cater to whatever makes dicks hard, which is why no meaningful discourse about porn is ever allowed. Porn is the epitome of dick good woman bad, as it gets dicks hard and violently degrades women. The trans movement is an extension of dick good women bad; moids get to gratify their sexual desires 24/7 and women get turned into 5'1" pepperoni-nippled incels who primarily serve as handmaidens for the Most Oppressed Women On The Planet (troons).

No. 4650

>>4645
It always comes back to “but some women enjoy it” or “everyone watches it” as if it’s then ok for most females that are involved to be abused and the wider impact it has on society. They really think because the woman they are watching fakes an orgasm and gives a monotone detached interview about how she doesn’t mind afterwards, that the porn they watch is ok. It gets confused with being anti-sex as a whole if you are against porn. Men’s pleasure is always seen as more important than women and girls basic human rights. If laws get brought in then it will probably just go underground but at least there will be some safeguarding in place.

No. 4695

i simply cannot wrap my mind around how so many people have come to think "pay to change your body with harmful hormones and surgeries because you look and act a certain way" is well-adjusted, normal and rational and "maybe we just shouldn't have gender stereotypes" is the radical, hateful, fearmongering, brainwashed pov

No. 4696

>>4695
I hate to sound edgy but gender ideology to me just shows how easily people can be brainwashed. They don’t want to think too deeply about these issues and just accept the simplest and least conflict-filled narrative.

No. 4697

>>4696
it's edgy but i have to agree with you. what else could explain it?

No. 4709

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I'm planning on doing some amateur data analysis using data from some surveys the U.S. government has been doing to assess how the public is faring during Covid. In it, they ask for age, birth sex, identified sex, and myriad other things. I intend to use data they collected between July 2021 and March 2022 (over 675,000 responses) to try to calculate trans identification across different demographics.

Unfortunately, there's not data for minor sexual/gender identification, only for adults.

Source for my data: https://www.census.gov/programs-surveys/household-pulse-survey/datasets.html#phase3.4

Note: One interesting thing about this data is that you can choose either "male" or "female" as your birth sex, but for your identified sex, you can choose one of four options regardless of your birth sex:
1. Male
2. Female
3. Transgender
4. None of these

This means that males who say they identify as female are recorded separately from males who say they identify as transgender.

On the graph, the top line includes people that identify as neither "male," "female," or "transgender." However, I wasn't comfortable assuming that all these people actually are trans, since I'm sure some GC types would tick that box angrily. The bottom line represents people who explicitly said they identify as the opposite sex or as trans. The actual % of trans identification likely falls somewhere in-between.

No. 4710

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>>4709
A funny artifact of separating out people identifying as the opposite sex vs identifying with the label "transgender" is that you can see a strong divide in their sexual orientations.

There's an official Tableau visualization of LGBT data for the overall adult population here:
https://www.census.gov/library/stories/2021/11/census-bureau-survey-explores-sexual-orientation-and-gender-identity.html

The former group is very straight relative to the latter, which is overwhelmingly "lesbian" and bisexual.

No. 4711

>>4696
Same, but as someone who grew up without any religion but could see others partake in it I already knew how easily people blindly believe made up shit for no reason. I didn't think people would fall for new lies so quickly though, it's scary.
There is literally no way to look at the current gender movement as anything but a religion. It's a blind belief that goes against reality and science that can't be questioned or you're an evil terf "sinner". Just like buddhism you don't need a god to worship and instead strive to be the "true version" of what your "soul" tells you to be.

No. 4712

>>4710
Final samefag for now.

There's some issues with this dataset. People born in 1933 and earlier are all grouped together under that birth year, and there's bizarrely high reported rates of being "transgender/non-binary." I don't have the number right now, but if I remember correctly, it was around 20%, so I'm chalking that up to an artifact of bad data collection or management or something.

There's also a serious lack of young adults answering the survey. There were 4-5x as many answers per birth year for people born in the 40's-80's than there were per birth year for people born in the late 90's. Out of the entire pool of respondents, about 1.0% were binary trans (see official government infographic), but this calculation was made without controlling for the fact that there were disproportionately few young respondents, who are disproportionately likely to be trans.

No. 4729

interesting video on a detransitioner…he talks about sissy porn and all that, I wanted to post to ovarit but too lazy to get an invite code

No. 4779

>>4729
haven't watched yet but I have been really wanting to hear the perspective of male detransitioners

No. 4826

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Idk if right thread but
I know picrel is wrong but I’ve always had trouble putting a coherent argument together because that’s just not my strong suit. I get too flustered and annoyed and I feel it on the tip of my tongue but it’s like I have brain fog. Anons, how do I argue against this shit. I need a cheat sheet.

No. 4849

I use a twitter account for lurking and I've noticed that recently it's become acceptable for the normie users to make fun of pronouns, non-binary, etc. and sometimes even go viral for it. I feel like people are becoming tired. However TIMs/TIFs are still untouchable.

No. 4910

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They are a special kind of evil. If every other letter in the alphabet people is uncomfortable but you, maybe it’s you that is the problem.

No. 4933

>>4826
First, don't argue with troons because they fetishize any female attention. They'll say you're jealous or something. Second, they think any woman above 5'3 who doesn't have D cup breasts, huge eyes, tiny nose, and other very stereotypical characteristics are men. Although they also argue you can't tell if a woman is trans even though they already have listed a huge list on tips to help them do just that.

So they're both saying trans women are no different than real women while also saying there are "women who could be trans" as in, they do realize that even if those women have masculine characteristics, they definitely aren't trans. Also most people don't stare at women and them trying to figure out if someone is trans would be considered transphobic, even.

No. 4934

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No. 4939

File: 1651081379526.jpg (570.34 KB, 1080x1080, 20220427_193945.jpg)

I just saw this today and found it hilarious.

So without the T the lgbt would be cohesive, inviting and more serious but with the T it' an absolute clusterfuck

No. 4958

>>4939
They really think being gay is just an aesthetic for weirdos.

No. 4962

>>4910
they really think putting "cis" or "white" in front of blatant homophobia or misogyny makes it woke

No. 4998

File: 1651405554564.png (86.69 KB, 1178x372, downtown.png)

Statistics Canada released the results for the 2021 census recently. There's some interesting (and predictable) stuff in there, like that people who identify as non-binary are more likely to live downtown in highly-populated cities, skew younger, and suffer from mental illness.

On their website it says, quote:
"Generation Z was born in the Internet age, and millennials came of age during a time when the Internet was changing the way we gather and process information. The Internet, along with social media and web-connected personal devices, may have contributed to the increasing awareness of gender diversity—especially among younger generations—by providing transgender and non-binary individuals with virtual support communities."

What a gentle way of talking about it…

No. 5004

>>4939
damn, it's almost as if homo/bisexuality is nothing but a normal sexuality, something completly mundane, and not some demented fetish larp to make up for not having a personality or to invade same sex spaces.

No. 5018

>>4998
Ugh, one of those "largest proportion of trans" cities is mine. I hope they 41% off a bridge.

No. 5019

>>4998
Surprised Vancouver isn't the top city. That seems like the epicenter of troonism in Canada.

No. 5022

File: 1651527915442.png (85.78 KB, 887x382, BC.png)

>>5019
The previous pic is just the top cities for the amount of nbs living downtown. The census also says that a higher than average amount of trans and nonbinary people live in british columbia.

No. 5023

File: 1651528305727.png (73.17 KB, 1177x611, numbers.png)

>>5022
>>5019

That said, Nova Scotia had the highest.
I'm intrigued by Nunavut having the lowest amount while the Yukon has one of the highest. Seems random.

No. 5029

>>4998
How can we have the data right in front of us and keep pretending it's not just a deadly and potent mix of social contagion and mental illness?

No. 5031

File: 1651592282110.png (43.41 KB, 641x721, Capture1.PNG)

https://www.smh.com.au/national/inclusive-language-risks-dehumanising-women-top-researchers-argue-20220126-p59red.html
>Breastfeeding community educator Jacquie Ducat said she did not take issue with such language changing as she realises desexed terminology still includes her.
Well, yeah, of course "non-men" includes us, but that's not the point. (Correct me if wrong.) I know I menstruate, have a uterus, could give birth, am not a man, etc. I don't feel excluded by that language.
I feel dehumanized by that language. That language rejects my very personhood. I don't get to be a "mother" anymore, I'm a "breastfeeder" or "birth-giver." You know, like a fucking dairy cow.
This kind of shit is what they're calling us in the scientific and medical literature. There's no way this won't have an impact on the treatment we get from the medical professionals who are being trained currently. They'll see us as talking versions of the corpses they practiced procedures on.

No. 5044

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No. 5053

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No. 5062

>>4644
I know it's too late to reply but I feel you so much nona.

No. 5068

>>4934

Nonnas, tinfoil time but I can't shake the theory: all the troon encouragement is some kind of psyop that started after the Women's March. There were pornsick AGPs before that, but it's exploded since then, pushed on easily infiltrated online spaces like 4chan and reddit. Somebody saw Women uniting as a political class for the first time in ages and decided to break it apart by introducing dissidents by manipulating men.

Since then enough of them have trooned out it's become self sustaining and is working better than they could have hoped.

Like I said, it's tinfoil, but the same thing happened with Occupy and idpol groups "showing up" to derail it.

No. 5102

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Idk where this goes, but I loved it so much, I needed to share.

No. 5238

>>4998
>1.5%
The absolute state, that's surprisingly a lot

>>5018
You want them to go with the MacKay or MacDonald?

No. 5246

>8:16
what an awful timeline to live in.

No. 5256

Just watched this video by a Chinese YouTuber who mostly talks about tech. There are a lot of parallels to how TiMs describe gender dysphoria in her experience. The tl;dw is that she was raised and treated as a boy because of China's one child policy, but she was never tomboyish and it didn't feel right (she doesn't blame her parents for it, and doesn't want them to be bashed). She's also a lesbian. She always admired hyperfeminine women, and as she grew older, she leaned heavily into looking/feeling as feminine as possible. She feels very out of place and depressed in conservative clothing, and has a harshly negative reaction to being seen as "boyish" in appearance. She doesn't even go by her birthname or show childhood photos because she doesn't see that person as her anymore. She maintains that she and other high femmes don't present the way they do for male attention or for sexual gratification, but others have a hard time understanding it, so explaining is hard. Her breast implants are actually prosthetics, which she describes as "gender-affirming top surgery", and she states that many lesbians in Asia get top surgery to remove their breasts for the same reasons, hers is just the other way around. She describes her way of dressing as a "10 year old's idea of a sexy lady" (hence the cutesy touches to her outfits), and though it can give a bad first impression, she's not hurting anyone, despite having "some glitches" in her gender expression

What do you guys think? My first thought was "Lying troon" when she brought in the dead name aspect and admitted she didn't even have breasts before going in for prosthetics (she claims many Chinese women don't) but she doesn't read as male to me, and she has a very butch Uyghur girlfriend, so I don't know. She said she supports anyone who's "trying to be their real self" (aka trans people) and that many people must have had it "much harder than her", but I can't help but feel that she might be heavily projecting her own experience onto TiMs. Like, in theory, it's similar, but what's the relation between a traumatized girl who was raised as a boy growing up leaning into all the things she was denied as an adult (whether it might be over the top or not), and a western boy who's (at most) a little wimpier than the other boys, then grows up, fries his brain on porn and tries to live out a literal porno fantasy of what he thinks a woman is? It's annoying to think of AGP transbians who are also into tech/programming being like "Omg she is literally me". It's sad to me that there might be a significant amount of actual women with this very particular, hyper-specific experience of being forced to live as male, but it's still white men with fetishes who get heralded as "the face" of it

No. 5260

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These people are so annoying. My god. She's 20 too.

No. 5264

I've seen my fair share of racefaking troons (both timmies and tiffies) and liberals always call them out on racefaking while still respecting their "gender identity". I remember that "non-Asians pretending to be Asian" thread on PULL which had a rule of not misgendering the tranny Asianfishers. The cognitive dissonance I s2g

No. 5269

>>5256
>though it can give a bad first impression, she's not hurting anyone
Except she is. I'd in fact argue she's hurting herself the most because as you say she's
>a traumatized girl who was raised as a boy growing up leaning into all the things she was denied as an adult
I don't see her coping with this by having surgery to physically turn herself into a living sex doll as healthy. If she wanted to heavily lean into stereotypical feminine expressions like dresses, makeup and painted nails, that would be one thing, but why is her concept of femininity so sexualized? Why can't she have just accepted her natural body and dressed girly but not pornographically? There is clearly more going on here than only being treated as a boy when she was little. I don't think she should be diminished for how she dresses, but obviously she knew the sort of objectification and male attention she would garner by presenting herself this way. She seems like she's in denial about her real reasons to me.

No. 5275

I'm annoyed at the people who were insisting that TRAs don't believe in HRT for children and that they only wanted to allow blockers, like ~2 years ago. Today, the "trans kids" debate is circling around both. How did you not see the writing on the wall? Why would you expect them not to lie?
I think we know what's coming next if they actually get their way on this, but if even one person says it out loud, even on Lolcow, the same people from 2 years ago who insisted HRT for kids was considered "off the table" will start yelling about conservatives and tinfoils.

No. 5276

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>>5275
reminds me of what happened to Joe Hawley, this incident happened over a year ago but its still perfect example of why you can't ever win with TRAs, Joe Hawley the former frontman of the 2000's Indie pop rock band Tally Hall(the one's that made the Ruler of Everything song) got DM'd by an underaged nb Ayden who asked him if he could put his pronouns in his bio, he politely refused and got into argument regarding non-binaryism and pronouns and in this conversation his "problematic" views were revealed
see like most normie libs he thinks trans people are "valid" and believes Transphobia is real, but he doesn't buy into that Idea that anyone can be non-binary, he also believes that children don't have the mental capacity to know if their trans or not and shouldn't allowed on hormones and referred to some "trans affirming" surgeries as multination(which they are) and that got him cancelled, like the whole of woke twitter fucking hates his guts now for views that aren't even remotely offensive and likely what the average normie lib believes in

No. 5277

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I was wondering if someone could explain to me in detail why exactly MtFs are so attracted to lesbian. Is it really a porn induced fixation? or is it also that they dont want a typical dominant male position in the relationship because they are too weak to be someones rock to rely on.
just confuses me becausse lesbian relationships do have butch/femme dynamics but thats not always the case. ive known butches to date and marry and femmes to date and marry.
i just dont understand why exactly it is lesbianism that they are drawn to. holy grail of "nobody stuck her dick in her" kinda possessive fixation? is it truly the most unattainable thing for a guy and their drive to deserve and aquire everything driving them to do so? i am just so desperate to understand nonnies

No. 5280

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My autism can't tell if this is a humble brag or a joke after the "totally cool Stacy" part. Anyone else find ovarit difficult to enjoy because it's filled with grifters and 40yo pickmes?

No. 5281

>>5280
Kek this has to be satire. I got tired of Ovarit being 95% troon complaints. Like yes it's an issue but feminism encompasses a hell of a lot more than that and I got bored reading about delusional men instead of ways to actually help real women. And yeah, you get a whole span of people on there from hardcore radfems to confused libfems. Worst part is allowing men though.

No. 5283

>>5281
same here nona and after they banned notable radical feminists for seemingly no reason I just got bored with the site and abandoned my account. Also the constant troon shit. I hate trannies but I don't want to read about it 24/7. Ill never accept their excuses of allowing men

No. 5287

>>5283
There’s been some push back on the men recently and I saw some actual complaint posts not get deleted so it seems like some of the women over there are starting to get fed up with it too.

No. 5288

>>5277
It’s a few things off the top of my head, but I can deep dive if you want.
To start men fetish lesbians because they view them as unattainable and untarnished women. They’ve in their heads never been with or belonged to another man so they can get their virgin fetish and weird power leveling from that. Because sex between two women could never “be real sex.”
Porn pushes lesbians like crazy so they typically end up developing a full on fetish manipulating their sexuality into more severe obsessions. Porn addicts also lower their own sensitivity, sperm counts and give themselves Eds and require more stimulation seeking out more severe forms of their fetishes like men raping lesbians and conversion porn. Or tranny and lesbian porn etc.
It’s also a validation thing like they’ve tricked the truest of terfs and women and it makes them better than the other trannies. Etc.

No. 5318

>>5283
I will never be able to understand making a website invite only, contacting hardcore radfems to get the word out to other radfems, only to ban them and let men in anyway?! What the hell is wrong with PickMes? I wonder if they have brain damage from all the strangling during sex.

No. 5320

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Apparently requiring women on corporate boards is "unconstitutional"

No. 5328

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This is from _rational_ wikipedia. Idk how rational it is to just say something is false without telling the reader what is correct then. Funnily enough the rational wiki seems to think otherkin is bullshit but trannies and sex changing over the course of a human's life is totally possible and real.

No. 5331

>>5318
Nayrt but idk. I check ovarit front page often just to see what’s going on but I can’t stand reading the comments or any meta conversation they have. There are so many pick-mes and even women who have more trad beliefs and are just there for trans stuff. And the infighting is so annoying to see. I wanted it to be a good place but it’s always just women talking about their nigels and giving brownie points to men who make one single intelligent remark a day. Annoying as hell.

No. 5332

>>5328
Why do TRAs think humans are on such a pedestal that wrt to biological sexual we are any different than any other mammals? They remind me of conservative christians who think humans are so special and not just another animal that evolved in a specific way. TRAs will deny bio sex in humans and would compare transitioning to things like certain fish being able to actually change their sex (something they evolved to do that we cannot). It’s like no one lives in reality any more.

No. 5334

>>5328
kek RationalWiki is anything but rational, it's obviously heavily biased, with bullshit sources liked Cracked.com to uphold their schizolib opinions, it's a total joke.

No. 5335

>>5334
Reading more and more I noticed that, very biased and they even insult the people they don't agree with. At that point I realized I wasn't reading a rational wiki at all. And of course my libfem friend was the one who showed it to me.

No. 5373

Does anyone else find it funny that so many transbians go on and on about how lesbians love them and hit on them all the time? Lesbians are a very small percentage of the population, and many don't even hit on other biological women because of all the stereotypes about "predatory lesbians". Are they just LARPing, or in true autistic fashion, mistaking tolerance/basic niceness for flirtation?

No. 5375

>>5373

I think its a heavy dose of delusion and narcissism. Very much standard male thinking, or if i'm being charitable general tism mistakes but these are men that think a woman smiling at them is flirting, and that if a woman flirts with them it means she owes them sex.

No. 5406

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>Retired doctor wrongly prescribed sex-change treatments to patients as young as nine, tribunal hears
https://www.yahoo.com/news/retired-doctor-wrongly-prescribed-sex-194128007.html
I have no words. This is just disgusting.

No. 5434

I was on FB and almost spit out my tea when I saw this skit and one woman commented
>You can't even escape to the loos these days. Gender neutral.
Normie women are peaking!!

No. 5435

I don't really give a shit on social media anymore, I love just blocking troons every single time one follows or interacts with me. I couldn't care less if they call me out from behind a block or something.

No. 5438

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Some people are so close to getting the point yet still so far away

No. 5499

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I have just made a post about the wikipedia Dianic Wicca article and decided to compare some past versions of it. Is anyone else not only extremely tired but also worried about twannies editing wikipedia articles pandering their bullshit.

No. 5513

>>5499
Yes I’ve been buying all my old witchcraft books for my own library. The consumerism and anti women pandering is disgusting. Remember my friends men are dead inside and can’t practice magick of any kind and plastic fake rocks won’t cure cancer.

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No. 5696

>>5694
Nice of them to honor Jack the Ripper in their ovarian cancer description. Ffs

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No. 5700

>>5698
Didn’t Scotland last year realize stonewall was lying and deleting women from law without any evidence is a horrible fucking idea that makes you look stupid? Did Ireland learn nothing from that clownery?

No. 5708

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Kekkk, had a breakdown on main. Might've cried a little there but fucking hell.

No. 5716

>>5708
>trans friends, family and partner is nb
This isn't surprising. Some people aren't just blind because they don't know any better, they make the choice to remain blind out of misguided love. They don't ask questions because their personal community follows a very specific mindset, and going against it has been framed as "literally killing" people. Even if all the things you said rang true to them (and they probably did), you're asking them to shoulder the pain of knowing their friends and family are making a terrible mistake, and they can't say or do much about it. It's the sort of knowledge you just can't go back from, and if you're liberal or left-leaning surrounded by similar people, the stakes are so much higher. Most people aren't brave or brutally honest enough for that. There's also a more twisted aspect of feeling like you're a "good ally" for discarding people for wrongthink. It's a messed up psychological punishment/reward system that preys on people's guilt and empathy
I'm sorry this shit happened, I've also had friendships end because I didn't want to swallow the BS. Now I keep most people at a safe, polite distance if they seem too "woke", and I can tell it kind of bothers them, but I know once you get too close, it's either you live the lie with them, or what you posted ends up happening. Unless they're literally in love with you, like ready to risk it all, the best you can do is drop a few peaking questions or statements and just let them think it over themselves. I know this post is 6 hours old, so I hope you're feeling better, nona. One person isn't the end of the world, you can and will make better friends who don't have those sorts of attachments (or at least won't place them above their bond with you) ♥

No. 5728

>>5716
I can't thank you enough for your thoughtful message, it really helped. It is simple in the end.. They can't force me to accept swapped genders, I can't force them to understand why. I just deleted him. We've been friends for ten years.. It is devestating. I should've kept my damn mouth shut, but by now I also don't want to..

It was about another friend of mine calling me a nazi. I'm from Austria. Our nazis are a whole lot different. So I had a full break down on my main Snapchat about that. That I simply believe that people can't change their sex, and that made me a nazi in someone else's view. Which is truly hard, seeing where I come from. Our nazis will break your fucking arm or leg for fun. In some states we have brotherhood watches made up of nazis because they believe the police aren't doing enough against rape and thievery.

That's where I come from. So yes, I wrote a very thoughtful piece about people calling me that, what I truly believe in.. As in.. Respect for every single person, health care, psych care, etc..

It fucked me up being called a nazi. It truly did. My countries nazis aren't that nice or commendable. They're not based. They're truly, truly awful and violent.

Thank you though. It truly helped me understand and also be okay with it. It simply is. Friendships pass and there is no failure in it. Thank you.

No. 5733

my boyfriend brings up tranny shit sometimes and i told him ok, did you know trans people have more rights now than women? he cares about troons because of a tim childhood friend, but realizing how the self-victimization of trannies is mostly twitter attention whoring rather than real problems, shut him up quick.
the conversation started about how wholesome it is that hormones and surgery support are now available to trans! to which i replied, great, when is full bodily autonomy will be available to women?
i hate the oh poor trannies, we are teh most ohppresseth people in the woooorl, plleeehs send me millions of dollars to trick my pornrotted brain into achieving my full on fetish transformation!

No. 5734

>>5733
Burgerland and terf island are also both having HRT shortages for women with actual medical needs while trannies are getting theirs.

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No. 5795

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>>5794
77 K likes

No. 5796

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No. 5797

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>>5796
It’s just fucking sad

No. 5799

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Nothing like threatening violence am I right? Ffs

No. 5801

>>5799
My god these poor wittle lambs are soo oppressed

No. 5803

>>5799
>ugly ''catgirl'' with male hands and fryed blue hair
>a couple of skinny clowns with dresses a la Francine Smith from American Dad
>a fakeboy with the body proportions of a dwarf/manlet
Seems accurate

No. 5829

>>5728
I can imagine, I lost my friend group of 10+ years for coming around to the trans bullshit. Which is sad in retrospect because I supported my best friend in hs through her transition. I was just young and naive and didn't know any better at the time. I can't imagine what being off and on T for nearly a decade has done to her body and mentioning that to her made her go apeshit. We use to have genuine talks if this was the right decision but she's so indoctrinated into the ideology these days I doubt she'll ever come around to detransitioning. I miss her dearly though. Seeing all our old friends come out as enbies and trans is just maddening, I had to get away. It's nice knowing a site where like-minded women exist, I thought I was crazy for feeling the way I did. Good luck to you.

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No. 5854

>>5848
Pubic hair also helps protect you and is important for long term health. Despite what media will push.

No. 5857

Moid acquaintance who is bisexual comes out as nonbinary and immediately starts wearing skirts. Why does it always go like this? Why do people think they must be nonbinary if they want to dress gnc? What tickles my funnybone is the bisexuality, he acknowledges that he is binary while claiming to be nonbinary.

No. 5858

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I'm from Norway and people know I'm a terf and they'll tell me "but this girl completely passes its impossible to tell". It literally looks like what it is, a little boy in makeup?? Like I don't get why he is hailed here as the perfect passing tranny, I see boys looking like him all day every day sans makeup

No. 5859

>>5858
>a little boy in makeup
I feel like I'm the only one who fucking notices this, even in the MTF threads, most TIMs who were transitioned when they were toddlers, just look like stunted 12 year old boys in heavy make up

No. 5860

>>5848
I definitely smell less and it feels nicer. I shave my armpits and trim my pubic hair.

No. 5864

>>5860
Shaving and trimming are a bit different though. Shaving irritates the skin but trimming doesn't so I'd opt for that too. Especally during periods. Haven't shaved my pits for months though and surprisingly enough I don't smell bad like I thought I would. With shaved pits I got smelly in a day but now that issue is gone. Can't explain it.

No. 5867

>>5858
to me this one passes pretty well, I would have thought he was female. but just wait 10 or 20 years, he will end up like kim petras. seriously, try and find a 40+ year old troon who passes this well, or at all.

No. 5880

>>5867
To be fair, people from the country the troon comes from recognise them more easily as their true sex.

No. 5925

>>5864
Oh yeah with the smell I was talking about my public hair.

I feel like armpit smell is the most random thing. Sometimes I don't shower for days and there's nothing, sometimes I smell 5 minutes after leaving the shower. I shave them because I hate the feeling of having hair there and the hair keeping them moist. I generally have sensory issues with things on my skin though.

No. 5968

I gotta say I really appreciate Maria Mclachlan (Peak Trans) on Youtube, she's really well spoken and I wish her videos got more attention

No. 6000

>>5968
Is she that same woman who was assaulted by a troon for speaking in public a few years back? She is very well spoken in this video, good contribution

No. 6012

can nonnies please give me some sources on how porn addiction causes hairloss? im trying to find some atm but could use some help. thank you

No. 6016

>>4098
I am a frequent /osrs general/ lurker on 4chan and now since they are turning their game into a woke one the general thread is full of delusional trannies while it used to be barely alive before they announced the woke changes and pride event. Jesus.

No. 6017

So I don't know if this is the place to put this but I guess I'd be trans in an alternate demension where I believe being trans is possible. I know I'm a woman, i will never and could never be a man.

I want to want to be a woman so badly but I can't. How do I do it? What makes you want and love being a woman?

No. 6019

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>>6012
Trying to find some for you. This one talks about one of the theories why but disagrees with it.
https://curejoy.com/content/masturbation-cause-hair-loss/

No. 6020

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>>6019
https://mrmindblowing.com/nofap-hairs/
There’s a lot of nofap men that talk about it.

No. 6022

>>6017
What do you not like about being a woman?

No. 6023

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>>6017
Surprisingly, it was trans people that made me really appreciate being a woman.

Unrelated, I was looking up this thing among artists called Art Fight that starts next month. Lo and behold, the very first rule mentions transphobia. Not homophobia, not racism. Nice to know where the priorities are. Noped out of there real fast.

No. 6025

>>6012
wrong thread

>>6017
why "in an alternate dimension I'd be trans" and not just "in an alternate dimension I'd be a man"

No. 6026

>>6016
hi fellow mmorpg anon. i'm in an off period with old school atm but ever checked the wow generals? full of em i tell ya, full of em

No. 6046

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found this in the comments of a youtube video for a womens only capsule hotel in japan
there were a ton more gc/terfy comments too, it gives me hope

No. 6107

A woman I know just came out as a demigirl because when reading about it it really resonated with her, yet she could not explain to her followers what a demigirl is and told everyone to just google it. I'm amazed. She probably just looked up all the different made up genders that there are and just picked one that wasn't icky cis woman because she was having an identity crisis. I'm speechless.

No. 6419

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saw this video on tumblr and i found it suspicious and of this dude has a track record of medical malpractice. Tifs found this tiktok hilarious while the evil Terfs found it concerning and they were right as there were links about his malpractice and people who sued him. but despite that, there were still supportive comments

https://www.reddit.com/r/ftm/comments/eciytk/dr_crane_malpractice_lawsuits/

https://4thwavenow.com/2018/03/26/update-san-francisco-phalloplasty-surgeon-now-with-8-malpractice-suits/

https://thepostmillennial.com/gender-dysphoric-patients-suffer-at-the-hands-of-unethical-doctors

No. 6504

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"female brain"

No. 6505

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No. 6511

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No. 6512

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No. 6513

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>>6512
everytime i think ive climbed to the top there is another higher peak

No. 6514

Wow reading those messages… I hope she's okay.

No. 6515

>>6514
Never mind I checked her blog.

No. 6516

Wow that's sickening. This world is terrifying.

No. 6517

Everytime a TRA says "we mean no harm" someone should send them a collage of these replies

No. 6524

nonnies, how do you find other GC feminists irl… i currently live in seattle. most people here are liberal feminists or TRAs. i can tolerate them but sometimes i wish i could talk to someone with likeminded views irl. i feel like every space i go to has some pronoun shit. whether it be work or niche hobbies. maybe seattles just a lost cause.

No. 6525

>>6524
I moved out of Seattle because it legitimately is a lost cause. I went back for a visit in January, and while I was having a conversation with someone at a bar she randomly interrupted me mid-sentence to ask what my pronouns were. To say nothing of the crime there, it's not a safe place for wimyn in many ways. I used to talk to a homeless womyn there and she told me about how she spent nearly a year chained to a mattress in the homeless camp called the Jungle. Nobody is doing shit to protect wimyn in that town. Stay on your guard nonna, come join me on the other side of the state or at least carry some serious pepper spray.

No. 6535

>>6524
I wish I knew, nonny. I’m in the same boat as you. One of my best friends is a he/they woman who I’ve known for years and I love her to bits but I’m constantly worried that one of these days I’ll out myself as an evil terf and she’ll drop me. I think I’m the only gnc person I know who doesn’t identify as trans/non-binary. It’s so stifling. I wish we could all meet in real life somewhere.

No. 6545

>>6524
It seems hard to find actual GC feminists in my area too, but I've noticed normies, especially old people, will talk about this shit. I've gotten into multiple conversations briefly at work with older customers who talk about how ridiculous this all is. And while its nice knowing normies out there also hate this shit, I wish I could find other actual feminists. The only thing I know is look online, even though Twitter is shit, theres lots of GCs on there. And look and see if any speakers corners are in your area. If one comes near me, I'm going to try my best to go.

No. 6568

>>6545
What sucks is that most of these older normies are anti-troon because they're socially conservative or religious. Finding another young, progressive woman who is a legitimate TERF seems impossible. (I live in NYC.)

No. 6596

I’m in SF lol, honestly I think there are more of us than we realize but we’re all forced to hide it. If you went to school or work with me you would not guess I’m a terve. I don’t go out of my way to support anything but if pressed I’ll use pronouns to be polite rather than deal with a meltdown. I just try to avoid the topic entirely. Wonder how many women like us out there

No. 6605

>>6525
i just feel so tired of this city sometimes. the homeless situation is depressing. i get harassed by homeless men while i wait for the bus. they scare me. i carry pepper spray with me whenever i go home after class.
>>6535
my friends are well meaning. i think theyre not that involved with politics beyond what they see in major news events. Or their trans friends appear mostly relatively normal and aren't the most degenerate kind walking outside with cat ears. I wonder if we had someone like the boob teacher in canada it would peak people here…
>>6545
Yeah. We both dislike it, but they mostly dislike it because they think women should act a different way and we dislike it because we dont believe in any of this gender personality shit. I dont really want to hang out with them either. I honestly wish I could find other women who agree with me at my college but we would probably get harassed out of school.

No. 6627

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Everything feels so bleak right now. Is there a way out of genderism that preserves women's rights? Or are our options going to be Misogynistic Mormons VS Misogynistic Troons? It feels like over the past year people using the GC and radfem label have veered sharply to the right. I'm predicting that the right is about to appropriate the language and theory of feminism to push their own agenda, just like how TRAs appropriated feminism to push their agenda. I think it's going to follow the exact same pattern. Any true feminist organization will be infested and overwhelmed by trad misogynists who will use feminist aesthetics and terminology to pursue anti-feminist goals.

No. 6683

genuine question, if i were to purchase harry potter merchandise, would jk rowling get money? the hp world is a big part of my childhood. i won't let it be erased by terminally online trannies.

No. 6684

>>6506
i used to think these threats and wishes of violence were only from disabled trans people stuck on their computer but i recently had a trans looking teenager spill his drink on me. i did not do anything to warrant this. served all customers including him and his friends smiling and with the same tone. i brought back the orders individually as soon as they were ready, in the order they got ready. this is where it must have gone wrong as he might have assumed i did not serve him before everyone else to be a microaggression. when i handed him the food, he brought the drink back for some reason and spilled it on the counter, pointing the drink towards me. some of it got on my uniform. i don't know what the problem could have been besides him being trans and assuming hostility. this has never happened before, not even with a customer who had tourette's.

No. 6706

was anyone else abused and scapegoated while their male siblings were treated like kings? it seems like a common dynamic on social media but i dont think people realize the gravity of it&remember being a child and constantly wondering what it was about your character that your parents hated? it was sex-based. the reason your parents would be way more affected if your male sibling died? sex-based.
(not sure if this is the right thread but it's everyday sex-based opression and it looks like there's no general misogyny thread)

No. 6712

>>6504

This imageset makes me want to alog so much. May these pedophiles experience everything they are threatening this child with, and much worse.

No. 6716

>>6504
so let me get this straight, satoryuga - a korean woman who is not even a confirmed radfem - blocked a troon male or a few troon males who were sexually harassing her, then the trannies doxxed her and got her assaulted/beaten irl by korean moids while also writing out graphic detailed racist rape and killing fantasies about her all because she blocked/didn't want to be sexually harassed by troon mra incels
what the actual fuck? how can anyone want to associate with an ideology that is supportive of this disgusting behavior?

No. 6826

I'm clearing up my watch later list and I had her vids up before I peaked.

She mostly got the terf beliefs right (19:57) , except the part that 'non binary people have no agency' but I guess she staunchly believes in pink blue brains that she cannot correlate that misogyny is born from gender expectations.

but I have a pipe dream that she's peaking people by even introducing radfem even in a negative light because it feels so hopeless otherwise kek

No. 6827

>>6826
nevermind, she's braindead. And so am I for prematurely linking this. At the very least I got to see where the terf = nazi argument came from.

No. 6872

All the trannies I know irl all had very easy lives, they either come from money or are spoiled regardless. Trooning out just gives them something made up to complain about

No. 6903

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Sorry for blogposting about the obvious but I guess something just hit me today. I was trying to find a list of gnc woman to share with a friend who is questioning if she is an enby. I have tried subtly peaking her and she “sees my point” on a lot of stuff but is still quite far into the gender ideology and thinks it’s a positive thing.

Today I find out that, according to google, “gender non conforming” has now been completely replaced with non-binary, as a term. And all gnc people throughout history are now described as enbies, such as Grace Jones and David Bowie. I always thought those two concepts remained at least somewhat separate so am quite upset to see that’s not the case. How can you be gender non-conforming when you either don’t have a gender or change your gender to accommodate the stereotypes you conform to? How can you, as a woman, think so little of women as a whole that you identify out of womanhood (your material reality) because you didn’t want to conform to made-up stereotypes? How is that a cool or alternative thing to do?

When lesbians and feminists have historically been gnc - rejecting mainstream female beauty standards and stereotypes, these same women-centered women are now not women at all! I'm so sad about what this means for the future of women.

No. 7009

Just thinking about the fact that I need a long list of short concise texts debunking the most common trans arguments. They have to be simple enough that people understand it easily and factual enough to be credible at the same time.
It all just gets so muddy when all their arguments contradict each other and you try to walk on egg shells to not offend them too much so you have to pick and choose which of their lies you believe in at the given time so they'll even listen to you for 5 seconds.

One example I've run into is their attempt to still their cognitive dissonance by redefining sex and going from saying
>You can't change your sex, but gender is separate and different
to instead saying
>Actually sex is a group of things like phenotypes, chromosomes, social roles, and you CAN change those so that means your sex has changed
And it's so easy to fall into the trap and try to refute them point by point, when at the bottom there is no reason to accept that that IS the definition of sex, or that it "should be". Changing your sexual "phenotypes" basically just means appearance, like "I chopped my boobs off so my chest is flat, which is phenotypically male = therefore my phenotypical sex is male".

Adult human female. It truly is the ONLY acceptable definition.
Adult = the fully grown form of a living being
Human = our species
Female = the sex that is developed around producing the large gametes aka eggs (whether or not this production is functioning or not doesn't ever matter - if you unplug your TV, it's still a TV. If your TV came in broken, it was still made to be a TV. A female child or a post menopausal woman are still both female and at no point in history has that ever been questioned.)

No. 7016

What is the point of distinguishing male from female? Why do we even care? If gender didn't exist, then we could all be free to be and do whatever we want, right? Wouldn't that be better? There isn't an answer that isn't either sexist or terfy.

No. 7020

>>7016
Because women have different medical needs. Because our sec decides those needs. Because male doctors operating on female patients have a 15% increased risk of death. Because biology itself is a terf. Gender is bullshit. Sex is real and impacts our physical needs of care and there’s nothing wrong with that. We deserve cars that are built to our skeletal frames so we don’t have a 26% increased risk of dying in car accidents or serious injury.

No. 7021

>>7020
Same day but politicizing and throwing opinions into biology and medical care is what the fuck is wrong.

No. 7024

>>7016
>answer that isn't terfy
why do you need an answer that isn't "terfy"? are you lost?
Sex is innate and immutable and not only makes a huge difference in our physical bodies, but changes how we experience the world. On average, women are smaller and not as physically strong as men, 95% of rapes are towards women and 1 in 3 women experience sexual assault in their lives, we have the ability to get pregnant which not only puts us at risk but prevents opportunities and freedoms afforded to men, we bleed every month which can result in pain, health problems and stigma. Note: not all women have ovaries and wombs but 100% of those that do are women. Women are more likely to experience poverty and we own only 2% of the world's land. In some countries we have no freedoms based on the fact we are women. Some women are denied education, forced into sex slavery, FGM and other kinds of abuse. These things don't happen because they wear dresses and like lipstick. It's because they are women. From the moment we are born, we learn to fear rape and male violence. We also learn to protect and care for men above our own needs.

SOME women will experience very little or perhaps next to none of these problems. These will mostly likely be rich or knowledge-class women who are well protected, educated, healthy and comfortable. They don't have to experience much of "the real world" as it were. Most of us don't have this luxury. It will always be the women at the bottom who will pay the highest price.

Gender is a bullshit made up social construct that equates womanhood with femininity (eg, dresses, make up, being polite and agreeable) and men with masculinity (being strong, confident, aggressive). The reality of being a woman has fuck all to do with femininity. Believing any different is incredibly sexist and regressive.

Don't you ever wonder why we have single sex spaces in the first place? don't you wonder why girls and boys have separate physical education/sports?

>Free to be whoever we want

This is the lie being sold. Don't equate female empowerment to "Women are like men". We are not like men. We have our own power. We have different needs and desires. What is good for men, isn't necessarily what is good for women (and very often is the opposite).
However, we can be what kind of women we want. We can be strong, we can be tough, we can be smart etc. but we are not men. To pretend we have the same opportunities or lived experiences is not only delusional and doing us a massive disservice but is actively destroying our hard-won rights.

No. 7025

>>7016
Are you lost? If the entire world suddenly ID'd as non-binary tomorrow, half the population will still be oppressed on the basis of sex. In a patriarchy, men will always know who the woman is. This whole current TQ shit proves that–male trannies/enbies are still richer and in positions of power. They are still molesting and raping girls and women no matter what they label themselves. You can't ID your way out of the patriarchy. End of. It will take a whole cultural value shift and end of the patriarchy to finally reach feminist goals of gender abolition. Sorry that's too terfy and sexist for your twitter retardation.

No. 7026

>>7025
it makes me laugh seeing the TIFs discuss TIM's behaviour in a way that is almost indistinguishable from women talking about their male oppressors but they're literally just swapped the names around.

Also how transwomen are suddenly dominating sports now they can play with women, and transmen don't even want to compete in male categories because they know they wouldn't stand a chance. strange, huh.

No. 7029

>>7020
>>7024
>>7025
Sis you completely misunderstood my point kek. I was answering the post above me (my phone ate the reply indication but I thought it was obvious enough), it's a concise question you can ask tras that they won't have an answer to, as demonstrated by your replies. I am on your side and agree with everything you have said. I guess this is a case of parody becoming indistinguishable from reality.

No. 7040

>>7029
don’t worry, nonnies here really struggle with things like reading comprehension

No. 7041

>>7029
one of the ayrt. sorry but i didn't relate it to the previous post at all. i did wonder how the fuck someone clueless about sex differences ended up on 2X though kek

No. 7269

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No. 7275

>>7269
kek hilarious
But i hate this "what about transwymyn?!?" dumbass argument so much.
>TIMs are welcome in every single fucking other shelter except one that JK made
nothing is stopping them using any of the others that pander to them, at the expense of women in need
>Even if there weren't any other shelters, why don't any of these huge million-pound funded trans orgs or TRA celebs make one?
why don't they take a leaf out of jk's book and actually support their community as they claim such support is so desperately needed. no one is preventing any of them from creating trans shelters.

No. 7372

>>7275
>why don't they take a leaf out of jk's book and actually support their community as they claim such support is so desperately needed
Was about to say the same thing. It's not that I really want to watch as proportionately way more donations are made to trans shelters than women's, which is what would happen, but it would make way more sense than all this impotent moaning. TRAs constantly whine about not having their special needs met by everyone around them but they only seem interested in using that to erase the needs of women, rather than actually setting up specialist services for themselves.

No. 7390

>>7372
this is one of the things that really stands out to me. they could just set up their own services, groups and spaces but the fact it always has to be women's is a huge red flag that more people need to wake up to. they will (and have) actually closed down women's rape shelters for not including men, before they even think about building their own. it's not about trans people having these things (which they already have and could make more of, no one is stopping them) it's about correcting women's behaviour towards them. so tired of it.

No. 7392

>>7390
Nta, but yeah, it's the same as the men who say men are actually oppressed and not women because men don't have a lot of male exclusive domestive violence services, while refusing to create their own like women do, or saying that because women don't create services for men they aren't for equality but superiority, when men don't create womens services, women di.

No. 7419

idk if this is the right thread, but I kind of wonder if some TRA women really truly believe in the bullshit they spout. I have a couple of friends that are extremely "woke" but they never really have independent arguments from their own minds and just parrots whatever is said on twitter and it really feels like they're talking out of guilt/fear. One of them found their old, really nicely blinged out, Gryffindor patch and she moaned about how she couldn't use it anymore because she "didn't want anyone to think she supports JK Rowling" and it all just felt like posturing to me. I have a couple of other friends that I discovered are secretly gender critical but don't really want to be all that vocal about it, but instead refuses to take part in anything trans-related (interestingly also is that my woke friends are all bisexual, while my gc friends are lesbians). What do you anons think?

No. 7447

>>7372
Reminds me of a trans (man) student in a highschool or university and the women were uncomfortable with him wanting to be in their locker, so they made him a separate locker for both the women and men and he still complained it was discrimination. I hate men. they just want to invade.

No. 7472

>>7419
I think they do really believe it because TRA rhetoric parrots other legitimate liberation movements. Like SRS, the original ideas are butchered into a crude imitation and upon inspection you can easily see that but the social pressure is so greatly against really interrogating those ideas. So they follow along assuming that second guessing it would be like second guessing if homophobia or racism is wrong. The whole game has been a fantastic bit of jiu jitsu, using people's goodwilled desire to live and let live against themselves until they're cornered into going along with preposterous and regressive ideas.

If you dare to try to wake them up, it helps to point out the double standards that still privilege males, like TIMs being the social media reps for tampon companies instead of TIFs, or headlines erasing the word "woman" but using the word "man", or how male transphobes are pursued less aggressively than so-called TERFs when the latter is far less dangerous to trans people than the former. Or you can play dumb and ask questions to try to understand the ideology until they inevitably end up in knots.

No. 7534

>>7419
It's a common cope to deduce that casual TRAs don't actually believe in what they're saying, but the real problem is more likely that they're simply ignorant about the issue. Most of them write off demented AGPs as not True Trans and their conception of a trans person is the meek HSTS minding his own business or the chill FTM from their friend group, why would they be compelled to think that they should be critical of it? They see the best of it and most of them never having experienced gender dysphoria before don't understand the path of sexism and homophobia that leads down to it and thus are rarely able to deconstruct it like, for example, detransitioned lesbian FTMs are. For a lot of them gendercrit activists look quite literally like fear-mongering bigots because the waters are muddied by all the conservatives who some GC activists even ally with just to have someone on their side to sympathize.

No. 9249

>>7534
>the real problem is more likely that they're simply ignorant about the issue. Most of them write off demented AGPs as not True Trans and their conception of a trans person is the meek HSTS minding his own business or the chill FTM from their friend group
This is why when you want to peak a TRA/handmaiden friend you have to start lightly by showing them those AGP troons under the guise that it's the "bad" ones who ruin it for other (real) trans people. They will only listen if they think it helps the poor innocent (real) trans people, so you have to cherry pick some (plenty to choose from) diaper fetish AGPs and act like they're disgusting for trying to turn being trans into a fetish, just like those bigoted right wing conservatives are saying they are!!!
Then you move onto the sexist and fetish ones "a REAL trans woman wouldn't be so sexist to (cis) women", "a real woman wouldn't send cis women rape threats" etc. Gotta lightly guide them to peak without telling them directly what to think.

No. 9349

Christ, what a trainwreck. Did anyone else watch this?

No. 9354

>>9349
I'm ten minutes in and i'm already finding it funny how dumb some of those women are. "It's such a conservative mindset to say, 'I don't understand, explain it to me'" had me pause the video just to breathe for a second.

No. 9359

>>9349
what a waste. it should be a prerequisite that people within these "debate" settings can actually articulate their arguments. so many of the anti-feminist talking points would be so easy to plainly counter but half the "feminists" are just getting flustered and not even responding with concise counterpoints.

No. 9368

>>9359
isn't that why they pick them though? They don't want the feminists to have good arguments or women might start to think for themselves!

No. 9372

>>9368
This is agenda of modern media.

Appear to support feminism, but in reality make it work against women. Make it look like feminism focuses on unimportant issues, make it sound illogical with bad arguments and most importantly, make it include and be dictated by men (trans). Meanwhile try to portray actual feminism as hate and extremism.

On the other hand, appear not to anti-feminism, right wing and conservatism but still make it look more sane than "crazy illogical feminism".

And then boom, you have abortion rights being taken away in USA and men are getting control over women, again. Meanwhile VICE gets dumbfucks to represent "feminist" side of debate and supports women by constantly warning women to know their place and that men in dresses come first, always.

No. 9385

>>9349
The main cringe in the first part is justpearlythings falling over herself to say her edgy "girls have it easier, feminism is a supremacy movement" schtick as much as she can. I don't see this panel so much as stacking the deck against feminism as much I see it selecting retards to watch them fight it out.

No. 9395

>>9349
So retarded when they started talking about abortion. Like the anti feminists really made a strawman argument that there are seriously women out there who think abortion is an empowering thing to do where they can just casually get an abortion like they're walking into a nail salon. Wtf. No one is doing this especially when it is an incredibly painful, traumatic, and inconvenient process. I know troons like to joke about abortion like they're going to be the first transwoman to get one, like it's so easy for real woman, or whatever but troons gonna troon. Also this is the first time I've seen that rapist Eli Erlick in motion. Christ, he looks like such a fag. Why are they still platforming him.

No. 9530

>>9349
the fucking nerve of the fat tranny to be pro-life and not pro-choice…unbelievable. all TRAs hate and subjugate women so much. no uterus, no opinion, you asshole. also that rapist Eli's voice makes my ears bleed. how obnoxious that they let these smug moids speak over women on women's issues.

No. 9534

>>9530
and notice how Eli gets quiet and starts to look nervous when they bring up the Me Too movement because he knows one of the women he raped killed herself and he's to blame

No. 9633

"Trans exclusionary radical feminists" implies there's a sort of radical feminists that are trans inclusionary. Do such ideas even exist? What would that even look like? It sounds like nothing but an oxymoron.

No. 9635

>>9633
I've heard some women claim to be radical feminists without being trans exclusionary on places like reddit. They say that they're still against things like porn and surrogacy, but they're trans inclusive UwU… HOWEVER, I do think there are some radical feminists that are TERFs who say they are trans inclusive just so they can have women 'get their foot in the door' to radical feminism, so to speak. For example, if I want to convince a normie to switch to radical feminism, you need to drip feed them the content or it feels like it's too much to swallow all at once for them. So really, while I think radical feminism is inherently trans exclusive, I think lying that you are trans inclusive to try and make your point without being banned is not necessarily a bad thing.



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